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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Diablo on October 13, 2016, 02:17:39 PM
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With Cardiff, Derby and ourselves all changing managers within the space of a week and Warnock and McClaren being linked/mentioned to our recently vacant managerial position (if not in the press but on the H&V forum) I thought it begged the question who will finish higher come the end of the season? Here we have 3 sizable teams prior to the start of the season hoping for promotion currently in or near the bottom of the table with only 2 points (and 2 goals) separating them, making it a pretty level playing field (pun intended). I wonder how Cardiff and Derby fans have responded to their new managerial appointments and wonder what would have been the reaction on H&V if we’d appointed either McClaren or Warnock. H&V forum meltdown?
Anywho I’m sick of hearing about that shower down the road and I thought this might make an interesting, fun and welcome distraction prediction game with 2 teams that aren’t directly our local rivals.
So who will steady the ship quickest?
Who will end up finishing the highest?
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We will finish highest. I'm basing this on pure guesswork though.
Derby were boring as fuck against us, but their forum seems to think McLaren will have them playing better football, albeit he's hardly a universally popular choice.
Haven't seen Cardiff play since we visited in the Premier League two or three years ago.
So, yeah. We will definitely finish above both of them, or at least one. Or possibly neither.
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Interesting question.
I'd have to disagree that Cardiff were hoping for promotion, although they finished 8th last season I think they overachieved a bit and aren't a big club at this level like ourselves and Derby.
Cardiff have the weakest squad out of the three and the least money, but I think Warnock thrives in that situation and despite bringing in cast-offs like Kieran Richardson and Hoilett, they will surge up the league to safety in to a comfortable mid-table position.
If neither of us or Derby go up, which I don't think we will (I see us maybe sneaking 5th or 6th but Derby not), then Warnock will have to be seen as having done the best job this season.
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I think Villa have chosen well. Bruce wouldn't have been our choice if we'd been challenging for a European place but, given our position and our recent history of failure, he's probably the right man for the job.
McClaren just can't motivate. He's failed at most of his clubs and will be out of Derby before the end of the season.
I have to confess that I like Warnock. I wrote in a recent H&V that he's a charismatic figure, like BFR in some ways, who gets results. What he achieved with Rotherham last season was remarkable. Provided that he doesn't fall out with Tan I can see him being successful at Cardiff.
Who will achieve the greatest success this season?
1 Bruce
2 Warnock
3 McClaren
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Just been announced that QPR are backing Hasselbank over the Telegraph allegations.
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I think we have by far the better squad and will also add to it in the transfer window. That said, we do need to start putting a run together and being better at the back. Hopefully, Bruce will find a formula with the players and not confuse them by changing the shape of the team three times every game. I back us for the play-offs this season. To be fair, I think I would rather go up via the play offs than finish second. Obviously, winning the league adds to the honours board and that would be preferable, but the play off final is watched by millions around the world and would give us great exposure. There are the nerves and stress of semi finals I guess, so second place would be safer, but going up through the play offs and a final at Wembley, would be ace. One can dream! I'm happy enough with Bruce. He has something to prove and will want to be the Manager to prove to Dr Tony that he can hang around the spend the millions to try to get the club up in to the European places. However, first things first. Start winning games!
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I'm sorry to say I think Cardiff will finish above us (actually thought it before tonights result but seeing as I've just got in, I thought I'd do a drunken post). I'd never considered Warnock as a Villa manager but looking at where we are and Bruce being appointed I see quite a few comparisons (e.g. promotions and Villa being the biggest job in their career) I think we've possibly missed a trick (we need a bit of nastiness adding). I agree with Frank I think McClaren is unable to motivate a team and is actually now a busted flush (I think we'll finish above Derby) but I think Bruce will have difficulty turning the Villa juggernaut around (4 wins in 50 games) and like AVH87 can't see us going up this year. Fingers crossed I'm wrong. So steadying the ship quickest I'm gonna say Warnock and finishing highest - Cardiff. Ouch! That hurts. My prediction...Cardiff, Villa, Derby.
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Cardiff and Derby both win with their respective new managers in their first match, but Warnock has been accused of dodgy dealings whilst at Palace by Puncheon who also said he was never at training?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37679431
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I've heard a story that McLaren was only reappointed as Derby are still paying him off from his last Derby sacking and thought they might as well re-appoint him and actually get something back for their money!!
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Very good thread, in fact I'd vote for it to be stickied for this season.
Both my heart and my head say:
Bruce
Warnock
McLaren
Hopefully our squad will counter Warnock's man management in the end, I wouldn't bet against us seeing each other in the playoffs if things click for both. McLaren is a ridiculous hire so soon after being sacked, it's quite frankly bizarre and embarrassing for him to have gone back. I fear for him, for someone who was such a well respected coach to have fallen so far is quite sad. He comes across as such a cringy caricature now that I actually feel sorry for him.
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The irony ....
Warnock was (allegedly) making players to pay to get in the team while we've been paying the likes of N'zog and Flabby to stay at home.
Let's see if the football select committee and FA can unravel that one.
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Bruce to finish above these two.
It's the same order for the clubs and managers best manager Bruce best and bigger club villa then the 2 accordingly
Villa derby Cardiff .
Bruce biggest successful manager then mcclaren then Warnock
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Following Huddersfield's 93min winner against Derby the manager comparison (3 games in) reads
Warnock (Cardiff) won 2 drawn 1 points 7 (undefeated)
Bruce (Villa) won 2 drawn 1 points 7 (undefeated)
McClaren (Derby) won 1 drawn 1 lost 1 points 4
It really couldn't be much closer between them with all of the teams having experienced that new manager bounce syndrome.
Following McClaren's undefeated start prior to yesterdays game there was a really interesting article about his career. Wally with the Brolly or Coaching King? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37655418
Also Warnock is having to dampen possible promotion talk following his great start http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37741351
Place yer bets (well your predictions)... who is gonna do what? Will all of them survive and make it to the end of the season? Could this be the plot for Tony's Hollywood film? ;-)
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Holy Macaroni!! With the confirmed appointment of Paul Lambert to Wolves (and possible appointment of Tim Sherwood to QPR) my current fixation with other managers in the championship has gone off the richter scale!! The thought of us playing Lambert and Sherwood teams in the championship this season (although bizarre) seems entirely fitting in a perverse way as they were both so hugely responsible for our decline (anyways this is covered else where). As it now stands after 5 games.
Bruce P5 W3 D2 L0 11pts
McClaren P5 W3 D1 L1 10pts
Warnock P5 W2 D L L2 7pts
Can't wait to add Lambert (and hopefully Timmy) to the table (if his mate Les can help get him the job that is) - sh.. just got even more interesting.
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Holy Macaroni!! With the confirmed appointment of Paul Lambert to Wolves (and possible appointment of Tim Sherwood to QPR) my current fixation with other managers in the championship has gone off the richter scale!! The thought of us playing Lambert and Sherwood teams in the championship this season (although bizarre) seems entirely fitting in a perverse way as they were both so hugely responsible for our decline (anyways this is covered else where). As it now stands after 5 games.
Bruce P5 W3 D2 L0 11pts
McClaren P5 W3 D1 L1 10pts
Warnock P5 W2 D L L2 7pts
Can't wait to add Lambert (and hopefully Timmy) to the table (if his mate Les can help get him the job that is) - sh.. just got even more interesting.
Update . We need to olly too! Southgate number one fan is bossing at QPR and far more shrewd than Sherwood. I don't think anyone apart from Lee power Sherwood best mate and league one would give him a go. Think it shows it's only media who rafe him as Holloway is far better and proven.
I think Holloway would have secretly loved to get the villa or Derby job
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McClaren will do well at Derby this season I reckon, playoffs. Just a good fit for that club.
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Derby fans I know weren't saying that eighteen months ago, after Schteve took them from top to eighth!
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In their present state McClaren's a good fit for Derby.
Like us Derby with their squad had no business battling relegation and they were always going to rise up the league.
It might not have got them promotion but 4-3-3 is a miles better fit for their team than the 4-4-2 Pearson was disastrously employing.
Like him or not but Warnock knows this league inside out and is already getting impressive results from Cardiff. That will not be an easy game for us on Saturday.
Lambert won't last the season imo, poor appointment from Wolves. He's lost whatever he had going for him at Norwich.
Most interesting one to watch I think will be Holloway at QPR. Again like him or not but he too is a good manager at this level and he's the sort of personality I think QPR need as they've lost their identity last few years with a massively overpaid squad even at prem level.
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After embrassing fa cup exit Swindon suffered 4-0 loss now any talk of Sherwood is incessantly uneccessary he's rather ineffective
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So...The Wally with the Brolly jumps to pole position (posing the question that he may not be a wally after all?) Bruce (Almighty) whilst maintaining his unbeaten start, following "our best performance of the season", slips to second and 16th place in the actual table. Warnock (with limited resources at his disposal) wins to close the gap to 2 points behind Bruce. Holloway gets off to a flier and manages to stop himself resembling a drowned weasel (his words) as he gets a great reception following his 2nd coming at QPR (and to think I actually liked the guy the season Blackpool got promoted). Whilst Lambert (in fitting with his character) has a more sobering and subdued return to management with a 0-0 draw at Preston.
McClaren P6 W4 D1 L1 13 pts
Bruce P6 W3 D3 L0 12 pts
Warnock P6 W3 D1 L2 10 pts
Holloway P1 W1 D0 L0 3 pts
Lambert P1 W0 D1 L0 1 pts
Footyskillz suggested adding Holloway (great shout) which will certainly add some spice and interest following his various comments on the club in recent years and his run in with our new owner.
I'm happy to add Timmy if someone wants? But seeing as he's not officially Swindon's manager? And they're not in our division I pretty much thought him irrelevant.
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Personally I'd rather see no further mention of Nice But Dim on these pages.
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I've heard a story that McLaren was only reappointed as Derby are still paying him off from his last Derby sacking and thought they might as well re-appoint him and actually get something back for their money!!
It's looking like a shrewd bit of business at the moment (especially if the story you heard is true - did the source seem credible/reliable?). Schteve "I think he's a busted flush" is currently making me eat my words.
Risso - no mention of Tim Nice but Dim works for me :-)
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I've heard a story that McLaren was only reappointed as Derby are still paying him off from his last Derby sacking and thought they might as well re-appoint him and actually get something back for their money!!
It's looking like a shrewd bit of business at the moment (especially if the story you heard is true - did the source seem credible/reliable?). Schteve "I think he's a busted flush" is currently making me eat my words.
Risso - no mention of Tim Nice but Dim works for me :-)
I seem to recall there was some team in Italy that did this a few years back. They had fired their previous manager but he was still on payroll running down his contract, then months later fired his replacement and did a "surprise" press conference when the old manager stepped back on stage.
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I've heard a story that McLaren was only reappointed as Derby are still paying him off from his last Derby sacking and thought they might as well re-appoint him and actually get something back for their money!!
It's looking like a shrewd bit of business at the moment (especially if the story you heard is true - did the source seem credible/reliable?). Schteve "I think he's a busted flush" is currently making me eat my words.
Risso - no mention of Tim Nice but Dim works for me :-)
I seem to recall there was some team in Italy that did this a few years back. They had fired their previous manager but he was still on payroll running down his contract, then months later fired his replacement and did a "surprise" press conference when the old manager stepped back on stage.
Almost certainly more than one team. Palermo are the most famous for it I reckon though.
Twenty changes of manager since 2011, but about five of them have been brought back for a second stint as they were still under contract.
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I will probably have a nightmare tonight: I will be naked in the offices of Villa Park and every door I open will reveal either NBD, RDM, TSM, TSM2 or DOL sitting there saying "I've still got three years, you know!" (Or in TSM2's case: "Hngng soon, och hhhngg, gggrhubng go again").
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Re my previous post about re-hiring Schteve: the contact was a long-term Derby fan who felt this fact was the only possible reason for bringing him back. This guy was a serious critic of the football McLaren's team played, even when they were top of the league, winning something like seven games on the bounce at one stage, as I recall.
Derby fans regarded this guy as a blowhard miseryguts until Derby went into a sharp decline, playing awful, gutless football and finishing outside the play-off places. Then, suddenly, everyone agreed he'd been right all along!!
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I've heard a story that McLaren was only reappointed as Derby are still paying him off from his last Derby sacking and thought they might as well re-appoint him and actually get something back for their money!!
It's looking like a shrewd bit of business at the moment (especially if the story you heard is true - did the source seem credible/reliable?). Schteve "I think he's a busted flush" is currently making me eat my words.
Risso - no mention of Tim Nice but Dim works for me :-)
I seem to recall there was some team in Italy that did this a few years back. They had fired their previous manager but he was still on payroll running down his contract, then months later fired his replacement and did a "surprise" press conference when the old manager stepped back on stage.
Almost certainly more than one team. Palermo are the most famous for it I reckon though.
Twenty changes of manager since 2011, but about five of them have been brought back for a second stint as they were still under contract.
Wow. Still it makes sense in a way. Like having a spare manager on the bench ready to come in :)
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Holloway 0-2 Lambert last night
Looks like novelty act Holloway wearing off already after initial win.
Steady Eddie Lambo pulled off his first wolves win.
McLaren of the other managers seems most capable and Derby best team from wolves qpr Cardiff.
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Holloway 0-2 Lambert last night
Looks like novelty act Holloway wearing off already after initial win.
Steady Eddie Lambo pulled off his first wolves win.
McLaren of the other managers seems most capable and Derby best team from wolves qpr Cardiff.
They beat a team reduced to ten for an hour!!
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Holloway 0-2 Lambert last night
Looks like novelty act Holloway wearing off already after initial win.
Steady Eddie Lambo pulled off his first wolves win.
McLaren of the other managers seems most capable and Derby best team from wolves qpr Cardiff.
They beat a team reduced to ten for an hour!!
1 - 2 NO?
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Holloway 0-2 Lambert last night
Looks like novelty act Holloway wearing off already after initial win.
Steady Eddie Lambo pulled off his first wolves win.
McLaren of the other managers seems most capable and Derby best team from wolves qpr Cardiff.
They beat a team reduced to ten for an hour!!
1 - 2 NO?
Yep it was 1-2.
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Oh I switched over from I'm ian holloway get me out of here
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Warnock should be able to dig Cardiff out of the relegation spots at the end of the season.
Holloway is a novelty act, and as the Smiths memorably opined “ That joke isn’t funny anymore”.
I know loads about football, obviously, and laughed my tits off when I heard McLaren had been reappointed at Derby….
I have a mate at Derby who tells me that although they feared the worst, McLaren just seems happy at the Club, and confident, and that has instantly transmitted itself to everyone around him. Pearson should have been just the right man to knock a bunch of Championship nearly men over the line. But look what happened.
Football, eh?
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The only one I can see finishing above us are Derby because of their squad and because McClaren knows the club inside out, but there's a good chance we will finish above them also.
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The only one I can see finishing above us are Derby because of their squad and because McClaren knows the club inside out, but there's a good chance we will finish above them also.
Well I reckon you'll be right one way or the other.
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Poor lamb! http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04mn44n
Ian Holloway's recent outburst reminds me of Cartman, respect my authoritah!!
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You know when a manager starts making comments like those to the press about fans his day's are numbered.
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What a pathetic manchild.
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3 wins in a row now for Holloway.
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3 wins in a row now for Holloway.
Seems we maybe should respect his authoritah!! after all. Only 3 points behind us now. Oh to have a midfield.
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McLaren sacked again http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39251254
Having to date actually performed better than Bruce
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McLaren sacked again http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39251254
Having to date actually performed better than Bruce
Ridiculous decision
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McLaren sacked again http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39251254
Having to date actually performed better than Bruce
Ridiculous decision
To be fair, if you had to suffer his shit eating grin and media trained persona every day you might change your tune.
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He's a decent coach and personable, I always feel sorry for how McLaren is viewed by fans. The Derby owner seems hatstand, he's going through managers like there's no tomorrow.
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Never liked him, but as others have said he is a good coach just not a manager.
I see his assistant was Chris Powell, did an ok job at Charlton and Huddersfield so probably thought he would be offered the chance to manage them the rest of the season.
Good set up at Derby, decent size stadium and decent enough squad of players, sure someone will come in and turn them into playoff contenders next season.
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Never liked him, but as others have said he is a good coach just not a manager.
I see his assistant was Chris Powell, did an ok job at Charlton and Huddersfield so probably thought he would be offered the chance to manage them the rest of the season.
Good set up at Derby, decent size stadium and decent enough squad of players, sure someone will come in and turn them into playoff contenders next season.
Another club in turmoil. Powell wasn't going to be manager as associated with McClaren. If its true that the players have got him out because wholesale changes were going to happen in the summer then more fool the chairman for listening to the only constants over the last two years.
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McLaren = McLeish. It's that simple.
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Rowett for Derby, they wanted him previously. Another below par appointment if so.
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McLaren = McLeish. It's that simple.
Mclaren, Mcliesh, Bruce, Warnock, Holloway, Lambert, Sherwood
all exactly the same not a fag paper between the lot of them
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McLaren = McLeish. It's that simple.
Mclaren, Mcliesh, Bruce, Warnock, Holloway, Lambert, Sherwood
all exactly the same not a fag paper between the lot of them
Are you talking about their respective records, playing style or media image? Who is your favourite manager at the moment?
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McLaren = McLeish. It's that simple.
Mclaren, Mcliesh, Bruce, Warnock, Holloway, Lambert, Sherwood
all exactly the same not a fag paper between the lot of them
Are you talking about their respective records, playing style or media image? Who is your favourite manager at the moment?
Probably unfair to lob Sherwood in there as he's not been around as long
obviously Mclaren and Mcliesh have actually won stuff as well as promotion,
and the others have had there day in the sun with promotions as well but collectively they are all typical British old school old fashioned archaic tactical nieve extremely boring football managers
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McLaren = McLeish. It's that simple.
Mclaren, Mcliesh, Bruce, Warnock, Holloway, Lambert, Sherwood
all exactly the same not a fag paper between the lot of them
The results and table this season would arguably support your argument.
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Only 30 of the 72 Football League clubs have the same manager they had at the beginning of March last year and over a third of the clubs have changed manager since we appointed Steve Bruce.
There's a hell of a lot of people in football who really don't know what they're doing.
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McLaren = McLeish. It's that simple.
Mclaren, Mcliesh, Bruce, Warnock, Holloway, Lambert, Sherwood
all exactly the same not a fag paper between the lot of them
Are you talking about their respective records, playing style or media image? Who is your favourite manager at the moment?
Probably unfair to lob Sherwood in there as he's not been around as long
obviously Mclaren and Mcliesh have actually won stuff as well as promotion,
and the others have had there day in the sun with promotions as well but collectively they are all typical British old school old fashioned archaic tactical nieve extremely boring football managers
Playing style then? Do you think Lambert, Warnock or Holloway would be getting the kind of results we have been getting of late? After such a shite run before it?
Who is your current favourite manager?
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McLaren = McLeish. It's that simple.
Mclaren, Mcliesh, Bruce, Warnock, Holloway, Lambert, Sherwood
all exactly the same not a fag paper between the lot of them
Are you talking about their respective records, playing style or media image? Who is your favourite manager at the moment?
Probably unfair to lob Sherwood in there as he's not been around as long
obviously Mclaren and Mcliesh have actually won stuff as well as promotion,
and the others have had there day in the sun with promotions as well but collectively they are all typical British old school old fashioned archaic tactical nieve extremely boring football managers
Playing style then? Do you think Lambert, Warnock or Holloway would be getting the kind of results we have been getting of late? After such a shite run before it?
Who is your current favourite manager?
I don't know mate who can say,
Warnock did pretty good with Huddersfield last season when they were dead and buried, but I still hate the way he sets up his teams
I just don't like those grinding boring managers, and that's it,
I accept they all might have their plus points and a lot of people said they don't mind putting up with Bruce type football if it gets us up, which it wont this year obviously but maybe next,
but its not for me, i wouldn't want any of the managers mentioned above at Villa or back at Villa
whether you like it or not Bruce is not any different to that little group,
he's not something special he belongs right in the middle of the old boy network British managers boring football club, a lot of people know that and are prepared to accept it because they believe it will bring success and that's fine, its not my view but i can see where they are coming from, but don't think he's much different, he's not
i haven't got a favourite at the moment as we don't need a manager just now,
when we do i'll let you know, but some of my choices in times past haven't come up trumps i'll be honest enough to tell you that
i sort of know what i don't like more than i know what might work, its a cop out i know
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McLaren = McLeish. It's that simple.
Mclaren, Mcliesh, Bruce, Warnock, Holloway, Lambert, Sherwood
all exactly the same not a fag paper between the lot of them
Are you talking about their respective records, playing style or media image? Who is your favourite manager at the moment?
Probably unfair to lob Sherwood in there as he's not been around as long
obviously Mclaren and Mcliesh have actually won stuff as well as promotion,
and the others have had there day in the sun with promotions as well but collectively they are all typical British old school old fashioned archaic tactical nieve extremely boring football managers
Playing style then? Do you think Lambert, Warnock or Holloway would be getting the kind of results we have been getting of late? After such a shite run before it?
Who is your current favourite manager?
I don't know mate who can say,
Warnock did pretty good with Huddersfield last season when they were dead and buried, but I still hate the way he sets up his teams
I just don't like those grinding boring managers, and that's it,
I accept they all might have their plus points and a lot of people said they don't mind putting up with Bruce type football if it gets us up, which it wont this year obviously but maybe next,
but its not for me, i wouldn't want any of the managers mentioned above at Villa or back at Villa
whether you like it or not Bruce is not any different to that little group,
he's not something special he belongs right in the middle of the old boy network British managers boring football club, a lot of people know that and are prepared to accept it because they believe it will bring success and that's fine, its not my view but i can see where they are coming from, but don't think he's much different, he's not
I haven't got a favourite at the momentas we don't need a manager just now,
when we do i'll let you know, but some of my choices in times past haven't come up trumps i'll be honest enough to tell you that
i sort of know what i don't like more than i know what might work, its a cop out i know
Particularly disappointing John given you've spent many posts calling for Bruce to be given the chop.
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sorry mate, I've often been a disapointment
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But Bruce is managing at a club way above the level of any of the others, if they are managing at all. Why is that? Unless you class us on a level with Derby, Cardiff, Wolves, etc.
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But Bruce is managing at a club way above the level of any of the others, if they are managing at all. Why is that? Unless you class us on a level with Derby, Cardiff, Wolves, etc.
yeah cus that's the way it works
De Mateo was Chelsea's manager and won the Champions League but we still fucked him off after a dozen games
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I could have managed the Chavs to CL success that year as could a baby chimp. We fucked RDM off after a dozen games because he was a useless charlatan.
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I could have managed the Chavs to CL success that year as could a baby chimp.
Really? You'd have been able to come back from 2-0 down away to Barcelona with only ten men?
Very impressive if so.
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I could have managed the Chavs to CL success that year as could a baby chimp.
Really? You'd have been able to come back from 2-0 down away to Barcelona with only ten men?
Very impressive if so.
Didn't they also beat Bayern Munich as well?
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McLaren = McLeish. It's that simple.
Mclaren, Mcliesh, Bruce, Warnock, Holloway, Lambert, Sherwood
all exactly the same not a fag paper between the lot of them
Are you talking about their respective records, playing style or media image? Who is your favourite manager at the moment?
Probably unfair to lob Sherwood in there as he's not been around as long
obviously Mclaren and Mcliesh have actually won stuff as well as promotion,
and the others have had there day in the sun with promotions as well but collectively they are all typical British old school old fashioned archaic tactical nieve extremely boring football managers
Playing style then? Do you think Lambert, Warnock or Holloway would be getting the kind of results we have been getting of late? After such a shite run before it?
Who is your current favourite manager?
I don't know mate who can say,
Warnock did pretty good with Huddersfield last season when they were dead and buried, but I still hate the way he sets up his teams
I just don't like those grinding boring managers, and that's it,
I accept they all might have their plus points and a lot of people said they don't mind putting up with Bruce type football if it gets us up, which it wont this year obviously but maybe next,
but its not for me, i wouldn't want any of the managers mentioned above at Villa or back at Villa
whether you like it or not Bruce is not any different to that little group,
he's not something special he belongs right in the middle of the old boy network British managers boring football club, a lot of people know that and are prepared to accept it because they believe it will bring success and that's fine, its not my view but i can see where they are coming from, but don't think he's much different, he's not
i haven't got a favourite at the moment as we don't need a manager just now,
when we do i'll let you know, but some of my choices in times past haven't come up trumps i'll be honest enough to tell you that
i sort of know what i don't like more than i know what might work, its a cop out i know
Sorry for the quote-a-thon. I was just trying to get a sense of the kind of manager you'd like to see here, probably came across like I was hounding you a bit.
I think Bruce's record is better than most of the other names you've mentioned and was also a top player at a club with arguably the best manager in the history of British football. In isolation (or even together) that doesn't always make a good manager. I always think success comes when a manager and club kind of just 'fit' in a way that seems right for that time. Bruce fits that bill for us at the moment I reckon and January wobble aside, the results back this up.
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I could have managed the Chavs to CL success that year as could a baby chimp.
Really? You'd have been able to come back from 2-0 down away to Barcelona with only ten men?
Very impressive if so.
Didn't they also beat Bayern Munich as well?
Yup, in the final. I just chose the most impressive of their results to make my point.
The comeback two rounds earlier against Napoli is also excellent evidence of mr underhill's managerial aptitude.
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I could have managed the Chavs to CL success that year as could a baby chimp.
Really? You'd have been able to come back from 2-0 down away to Barcelona with only ten men?
Very impressive if so.
Didn't they also beat Bayern Munich as well?
Yup, in the final. I just chose the most impressive of their results to make my point.
The comeback two rounds earlier against Napoli is also excellent evidence of mr underhill's managerial aptitude.
And they won the FA Cup that year as well I think although I'm not sure what round they were in when he took over. It's fair to say he did a decent job in his short time there.
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Cardiff have the weakest squad out of the three and the least money, but I think Warnock thrives in that situation and despite bringing in cast-offs like Kieran Richardson and Hoilett, they will surge up the league to safety in to a comfortable mid-table position.
He's reliable is Old Warnock.
My Villa prediction didn't go quite so well (saying we might sneak 5th or 6th).
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Your choice of manager (Club/Owner) should reflect how you want your Club to go forward in the future.
If you accept a 'two steps forward and one back' approach you can select a type of manager that will get you that. If you want a 'steady progression best use of resources' approach, you select a different type of manager. What you cannot do is select one type and expect the opposite as managers rarely change their spots.
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Cardiff have the weakest squad out of the three and the least money, but I think Warnock thrives in that situation and despite bringing in cast-offs like Kieran Richardson and Hoilett, they will surge up the league to safety in to a comfortable mid-table position.
He's reliable is Old Warnock.
My Villa prediction didn't go quite so well (saying we might sneak 5th or 6th).
Yup you nailed it with your Warnock Cardiff prediction and to be fair overall you did say that you thought neither us or Derby would go up (even if you did say we might sneak it into the play offs). I wouldn't be too hard on yourself I think maybe the heart over ruled the head with the sneaking prediction ;-)
Warnock seems to support John E argument that there aren't many good managers about with his comments today on the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39264495
"I'm in a unique situation for a manager because I'm not bothered if I get the sack - they can sack me tomorrow if they want," he said.
"If I want another job, I can get another job. That's not being conceited, I just don't see many good managers around.
"There used to be hundreds, you could name them all but the Championship is not like any other league."
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Warnock's easily done the best job out of them all.
Cardiff were really dire when he took over. He signed freebies like Holliet and Bamba and comfortably in mid table now.
If he stays they'll probably be close to top 6 next season given his record at this level.
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Warnock's easily done the best job out of them all.
Cardiff were really dire when he took over. He signed freebies like Holliet and Bamba and comfortably in mid table now.
If he stays they'll probably be close to top 6 next season given his record at this level.
I saw a documentary about his time at Sheffield United. He took the team to Scarborough in the depths of winter for a fish and chips treat and he had made notes on post-its of players' transgressions, many of which were not following his directions on the pitch. The penalty was that that had to dive into the freezing North Sea. Jagielka or one of his other players that went onto greater things had to do it.
Steve Bruce can't even get some of the players to the training ground on time, and if he told them they would have to dip their toes into the swimming pool at BH they would tell him to fuck off and phone their agents.
Sometimes I wonder how it would be if Jack Grealish became famous for kicking Colin Wanker in the balls and rabbit punching his head on the way down when confronted on his way back to the dressing room, rather than falling asleep in the middle of the road in Tenerife off his tits or banging on with a gong and getting it on.
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I believe Warnock would have put us right. Not at all as a long term choice, but simply to resuscitate the flatlining patient and put it back on its feet, a transitional manager to allow a stable, solid basis to then bring in some hip German genius to lead us back to glories past.
I'm not saying Bruce won't do much the same, I'm certain Colin Wanker would have.
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Clubs with a bit of dignity and class don't appoint Colin Wanker.
It's galling enough that we've downgraded our status to such an extent that Bruce became a realistic candidate. The day that Colin Wanker becomes a good fit we should just bulldoze Villa Park and turn it into a Star City overspill. Because we'll be done as a football club.
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Clubs with a bit of dignity and class don't appoint Colin Wanker.
It's galling enough that we've downgraded our status to such an extent that Bruce became a realistic candidate. The day that Colin Wanker becomes a good fit we should just bulldoze Villa Park and turn it into a Star City overspill. Because we'll be done as a football club.
You maybe right, but if you hadn't noticed class and dignity had long departed Villa Park.
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Clubs with a bit of dignity and class don't appoint Colin Wanker.
It's galling enough that we've downgraded our status to such an extent that Bruce became a realistic candidate. The day that Colin Wanker becomes a good fit we should just bulldoze Villa Park and turn it into a Star City overspill. Because we'll be done as a football club.
You maybe right, but if you hadn't noticed class and dignity had long departed Villa Park.
Just out of interest, would you say Doug had class and dignity?
Or Gregory, DOL, MON, or Sherwood?
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Clubs with a bit of dignity and class don't appoint Colin Wanker.
It's galling enough that we've downgraded our status to such an extent that Bruce became a realistic candidate. The day that Colin Wanker becomes a good fit we should just bulldoze Villa Park and turn it into a Star City overspill. Because we'll be done as a football club.
You maybe right, but if you hadn't noticed class and dignity had long departed Villa Park.
Just out of interest, would you say Doug had class and dignity?
Or Gregory, DOL, MON, or Sherwood?
Well quite.
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There is a limit to much of a twat I will support as Villa manager. Warnock is past that limit. I dont care how good or not he is, the man is odious.
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Karanka binned by Borovilla.