Absolutely gutted. Was going mental at 2-1, haven't celebrated like that since the semi-final two seasons ago, just to score two really quickly. And then they score the second of two unstoppable goals and gain the most unlikely point. We'll be ok this season when it does gel but at the moment Huddersfield and Newcastle look a long long way off catching. On another day we'd have scored a few more if not for the woodwork. Is it ok to say despite only one win i'm still enjoying this season?There is no way in this league that bloody Huddersfield will be up there all season. We'll be above them come May easy.
The horrible realization that we're not going to get promoted this season. 😢
Get Jedinak in for Westwood get Tahibola in for Gardner and start seeing games out and we wil do okay. Keep persisting with them and we will be an average championship team.How can you say that when a team with Westwod and Gardner in created 20+ chances and with better finishing / luck could have scored 4 or 5 goals?
We will win this league. There are no teams to fear and we are due a massive bucket full of good luck.That's the spirit
Absolutely gutted. Was going mental at 2-1, haven't celebrated like that since the semi-final two seasons ago, just to score two really quickly. And then they score the second of two unstoppable goals and gain the most unlikely point. We'll be ok this season when it does gel but at the moment Huddersfield and Newcastle look a long long way off catching. On another day we'd have scored a few more if not for the woodwork. Is it ok to say despite only one win i'm still enjoying this season?
We will win this league. There are no teams to fear and we are due a massive bucket full of good luck.That's the spirit
Absolutely gutted. Was going mental at 2-1, haven't celebrated like that since the semi-final two seasons ago, just to score two really quickly. And then they score the second of two unstoppable goals and gain the most unlikely point. We'll be ok this season when it does gel but at the moment Huddersfield and Newcastle look a long long way off catching. On another day we'd have scored a few more if not for the woodwork. Is it ok to say despite only one win i'm still enjoying this season?
Of course it is. I'm not enjoying it at all though. 6 points from 6 is shit, and we're a long way from being good enough. Leaving aside Huddersfield, Newcastle are in the sort of groove that we just never, ever look like getting into. Two games coming up where we should win them both, but almost certainly won't.
The horrible realization that we're not going to get promoted this season. 😢
Check out where Burnley were at Christmas and their run of results second half of the season. Nothing is certain yet.
The horrible realization that we're not going to get promoted this season. 😢
Exactly. Watching other teams so far and there's some real junk playing in the league. I can see us grabbing 4 plus goals in a few games, there's a team in the making here once everyone is fit and firing.We will win this league. There are no teams to fear and we are due a massive bucket full of good luck.That's the spirit
Some team is going to take an almighty bladdering soon. We won't go forever being this unfortunate in front of goal. How many times have we hit the woodwork this season? I bet it's more than we have in the past two.
Get Jedinak in for Westwood get Tahibola in for Gardner and start seeing games out and we wil do okay. Keep persisting with them and we will be an average championship team.How can you say that when a team with Westwod and Gardner in created 20+ chances and with better finishing / luck could have scored 4 or 5 goals?
To be honest, there's obviously some sort of witch's hex on us, so it probably doesn't matter who we play in midfield. You can't fight hexes.Even if you have the Elder Wand?
Poor attendance? Over 30K for a live game on TV at a shit KO time when we've won 3 league games in 12 months?
We can still win it man, there's about 90 games in this league, 6 a week.The horrible realization that we're not going to get promoted this season. 😢
We could scape our way into the play offs, then who knows. Our points tally doesn't really reflect our performances so far.
Realistically, it's looking unlikely that we'll go up this season.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. There were positives and if we continue to play like that sooner or later someone will take a hammering. We still look a long way off Newcastle and Huddersfield though, and that's depressing in itself. Not being as good as Huddersfield shows just how far this club has fallen.
Burnley had a midfield and a fairly decent keeper. I hope I'm wrong, I really do.The horrible realization that we're not going to get promoted this season. 😢
Check out where Burnley were at Christmas and their run of results second half of the season. Nothing is certain yet.
Burnley were 5th at Christmas. Hardly miles off it.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. There were positives and if we continue to play like that sooner or later someone will take a hammering. We still look a long way off Newcastle and Huddersfield though, and that's depressing in itself. Not being as good as Huddersfield shows just how far this club has fallen.
And yet we battered Huddersfield for most of the game.
We're a lot closer to being a decent side than a lot of people are giving us credit for imo.
I think, minute for minute, we're the unluckiest team in the country. I'm not sure what's worse - that or being the shittest. Neither seems particularly enjoyable.
The horrible realization that we're not going to get promoted this season. 😢
Check out where Burnley were at Christmas and their run of results second half of the season. Nothing is certain yet.
Burnley were 5th at Christmas. Hardly miles off it.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. There were positives and if we continue to play like that sooner or later someone will take a hammering. We still look a long way off Newcastle and Huddersfield though, and that's depressing in itself. Not being as good as Huddersfield shows just how far this club has fallen.
And yet we battered Huddersfield for most of the game.
We're a lot closer to being a decent side than a lot of people are giving us credit for imo.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. There were positives and if we continue to play like that sooner or later someone will take a hammering. We still look a long way off Newcastle and Huddersfield though, and that's depressing in itself. Not being as good as Huddersfield shows just how far this club has fallen.
And yet we battered Huddersfield for most of the game.
We're a lot closer to being a decent side than a lot of people are giving us credit for imo.
I don't agree.
Another frustrating afternoon. Usual second-half disintegration. 2-2.
The horrible realization that we're not going to get promoted this season. 😢
Check out where Burnley were at Christmas and their run of results second half of the season. Nothing is certain yet.
Burnley were 5th at Christmas. Hardly miles off it.
When was the last time we wen't behind in a league game and won? It seems like years. I really thought we were going to get that monkey off our back today.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. There were positives and if we continue to play like that sooner or later someone will take a hammering. We still look a long way off Newcastle and Huddersfield though, and that's depressing in itself. Not being as good as Huddersfield shows just how far this club has fallen.
And yet we battered Huddersfield for most of the game.
We're a lot closer to being a decent side than a lot of people are giving us credit for imo.
I don't agree.
That's a given.
Watching that was better than any of the shit last season. We will get a run of wins and start to really perform. I wouldn't swop this team for last year's and with the additions still to come in think RDM may have cracked it.Absolutely gutted. Was going mental at 2-1, haven't celebrated like that since the semi-final two seasons ago, just to score two really quickly. And then they score the second of two unstoppable goals and gain the most unlikely point. We'll be ok this season when it does gel but at the moment Huddersfield and Newcastle look a long long way off catching. On another day we'd have scored a few more if not for the woodwork. Is it ok to say despite only one win i'm still enjoying this season?
Of course it is. I'm not enjoying it at all though. 6 points from 6 is shit, and we're a long way from being good enough. Leaving aside Huddersfield, Newcastle are in the sort of groove that we just never, ever look like getting into. Two games coming up where we should win them both, but almost certainly won't.
How could 17th in the Championship be enjoyable?!
I just do not see what he thought he was doing in not shoring up the midfield (ie to actually give us one) when 2-1 up and 10 or so minutes to see out till victory.
Forest were utterly fucking awful, yet they've come away with a point. That is what has got to stop.
I just do not see what he thought he was doing in not shoring up the midfield (ie to actually give us one) when 2-1 up and 10 or so minutes to see out till victory.
Forest were utterly fucking awful, yet they've come away with a point. That is what has got to stop.
I just do not see what he thought he was doing in not shoring up the midfield (ie to actually give us one) when 2-1 up and 10 or so minutes to see out till victory.
Forest were utterly fucking awful, yet they've come away with a point. That is what has got to stop.
I think he hoped we'd carry on playing how we did to go into the lead. If we'd carried on like that, we would've breezed it. For whatever reason, we stopped. That was the players.
I just do not see what he thought he was doing in not shoring up the midfield (ie to actually give us one) when 2-1 up and 10 or so minutes to see out till victory.
Forest were utterly fucking awful, yet they've come away with a point. That is what has got to stop.
I think he hoped we'd carry on playing how we did to go into the lead. If we'd carried on like that, we would've breezed it. For whatever reason, we stopped. That was the players.
But there was no reason to try to grab a third, we had ten minutes to see it, he should have strengthened in the middle and killed off the game. How many strikers did we have on the pitch at the end?
I think we need to accept that turning round this thundering shitternaut is going to take time. It'll be at least 2018 until we get back where we belong. I bet Dr Tony went fucking nuts in Shanghai though.
The second goal in particular pisses me off because they virtually bulldozed there way through, man up and get physical and fucking break the move down, pull him down or whatever but you cannot allow someone to bludgeon their way through your midfield and defence. There still seems a real lack of will to will, the desire or knowhow to do whatever it takes to stop the opposition. No one tracking Lansbury properly either, Westwood appears on the scene as always a few yards too late, boy is that bloke shite.
Get Jedinak in for Westwood get Tahibola in for Gardner and start seeing games out and we wil do okay. Keep persisting with them and we will be an average championship team.How can you say that when a team with Westwod and Gardner in created 20+ chances and with better finishing / luck could have scored 4 or 5 goals?
I think we need to accept that turning round this thundering shitternaut is going to take time. It'll be at least 2018 until we get back where we belong. I bet Dr Tony went fucking nuts in Shanghai though.
I read somewhere that they practically had to put a spit hood on and taser him at Luton, he was so annoyed.
I wouldn't drop Ross though, some might. He consistently puts in a good set piece and can finish with the right supply. I'm a bit stuck but I think he will go with the same team, minus Gardner and bring on Adomah at some point.The second goal in particular pisses me off because they virtually bulldozed there way through, man up and get physical and fucking break the move down, pull him down or whatever but you cannot allow someone to bludgeon their way through your midfield and defence. There still seems a real lack of will to will, the desire or knowhow to do whatever it takes to stop the opposition. No one tracking Lansbury properly either, Westwood appears on the scene as always a few yards too late, boy is that bloke shite.
RDM to blame for me. We had five forwards on the pitch at the time
It WILL click and this set of players is too good for the vast majority of sides in this league
Quite how we line up v Brentford is anyone's guess. You'd want gestede, ayew and kodjia on the pitch for sure
Don't start something that isn't there, please.I think we need to accept that turning round this thundering shitternaut is going to take time. It'll be at least 2018 until we get back where we belong. I bet Dr Tony went fucking nuts in Shanghai though.
I read somewhere that they practically had to put a spit hood on and taser him at Luton, he was so annoyed.
Given recent events, maybe remarks about tasering aren't exactly wise or tasteful.
26 goal attempts is the most we've had in a game for 6 years.That's amazing ... it's an improvement.
Why is it every game you just get a nagging feeling that they are going to get undone by either a massive f up of their own doing, or wonder goals, and there is nothing than can be done to stop it.
Every single game.
26 goal attempts is the most we've had in a game for 6 years.
I think we need to accept that turning round this thundering shitternaut is going to take time. It'll be at least 2018 until we get back where we belong. I bet Dr Tony went fucking nuts in Shanghai though.
I read somewhere that they practically had to put a spit hood on and taser him at Luton, he was so annoyed.
I just do not see what he thought he was doing in not shoring up the midfield (ie to actually give us one) when 2-1 up and 10 or so minutes to see out till victory.
Forest were utterly fucking awful, yet they've come away with a point. That is what has got to stop.
I think he hoped we'd carry on playing how we did to go into the lead. If we'd carried on like that, we would've breezed it. For whatever reason, we stopped. That was the players.
But there was no reason to try to grab a third, we had ten minutes to see out, he should have strengthened in the middle and killed off the game. How many strikers did we have on the pitch at the end?
It struck me as asking for trouble, and the person who mentioned it having a whiff of Bradford about it was right.
I think we need to accept that turning round this thundering shitternaut is going to take time. It'll be at least 2018 until we get back where we belong. I bet Dr Tony went fucking nuts in Shanghai though.
I read somewhere that they practically had to put a spit hood on and taser him at Luton, he was so annoyed.
Yeah, I heard he had to be wheeled out of there on one of those trucks they put Hannibal Lecter on, and he still managed to spray the ambulance with excrement and bite a paramedic's face off.
Despite it all - I just bought my Brentford ticket, buzzing.I just bought ordered the shirt online. Amazing what a draw can do.
Usual fucking story, how much longer do we have to put up with this level of shit? Two shots from them, two goals, and terrible mistakes and defending in both cases. Not even close to being good enough.Despite a disgraceful relegation we still can't win at home, we get beat away, and can't defend a lead.
I think we need to accept that turning round this thundering shitternaut is going to take time. It'll be at least 2018 until we get back where we belong. I bet Dr Tony went fucking nuts in Shanghai though.
I read somewhere that they practically had to put a spit hood on and taser him at Luton, he was so annoyed.
Yeah, I heard he had to be wheeled out of there on one of those trucks they put Hannibal Lecter on, and he still managed to spray the ambulance with excrement and bite a paramedic's face off.
Whilst still tapping out 15 tweets.
Someone said that Jedinak was being readed to come on when Forest equalised. It was five minutes later than he should have done, which is Sherwood-at-Leicester-esque management from Di Matteo. I'm unsatisfied with a point, but you can't account for McCormack hitting the post or Ayew almost breaking the crossbar. The only way of legislating for that is to have a go whenever you're close to goal. Score the easy chances and the more difficult ones start to go in somehow.
That and Elphick and Chester don't like it when players with pace run straight at them.
Despite it all - I just bought my Brentford ticket, buzzing.I just bought ordered the shirt online. Amazing what a draw can do.
I think, minute for minute, we're the unluckiest team in the country. I'm not sure what's worse - that or being the shittest. Neither seems particularly enjoyable.
Bristol and Forest were terrible and we get one point. Going to get murdered by a decent team.No we won't...and there aren't any much better than us in this league.
Bristol and Forest were terrible and we get one point. Going to get murdered by a decent team.No we won't...and there aren't any much better than us in this league.
The horrible realization that we're not going to get promoted this season. 😢
Check out where Burnley were at Christmas and their run of results second half of the season. Nothing is certain yet.
Unless we stop making mistakes and do the basics right, we are going to lose more times than not. Time for RDM to smell the coffee.Bristol and Forest were terrible and we get one point. Going to get murdered by a decent team.No we won't...and there aren't any much better than us in this league.
That's very, very doable.Bristol and Forest were terrible and we get one point. Going to get murdered by a decent team.No we won't...and there aren't any much better than us in this league.
Newcastle will be a hard one. Would be happy with a point from that. We really need to start winning the games either side of that....Brentford, PNE, Ipswich etc.
To get automatic promotion is 80 + points. We need 25 wins from remaining 40 games.
The blokes had 6 games!! We are possibly the unluckiest team I have ever seen (post, bar, deflections, off the line etc), he hasn't fielded his first choice 11 yet, we've not been outplayed by anyone, battered the top team for 60 mins and are two wins off 2nd place....frustrating yes, panic, no.Unless we stop making mistakes and do the basics right, we are going to lose more times than not. Time for RDM to smell the coffee.Bristol and Forest were terrible and we get one point. Going to get murdered by a decent team.No we won't...and there aren't any much better than us in this league.
Am I alone in thinking Bunn could have done more for their first goal?No. But he's not the first keeper to be undone by an outside swerving shot.
I do still think that we're forward heavy and this may be contributing to our apparent refusal to score, but who do you leave out? McCormack does a lot off the ball, you can't take Kodjia out after that debut, Ayew turned the game and Grealish at time made ghosting past Forest players look the easiest job in the world.
The issue is width, surely? Di Matteo nominally put Ayew and Grealish in midfield but essentially it was a 4-2-4 right from kick off. I think one of them not playing gives us far more impetus, and though I'd be reluctant, Grealish might have to be benched for me.
Another frustrating day at the Villa. We've created so many chances today and all season yet just got a handful of points. I'm sure our luck will change pretty soon and someone is gonna get a right tanking from us. Our midfield continues to be the weak link though, and my heart sank when I saw the line up of Gardner and Westwood. Good god are we ever gonna be free of that man (Westwood) from our club??
That and Elphick and Chester don't like it when players with pace run straight at them.
I don't trust them as a pair as much as I thought/hoped I would
Another frustrating day at the Villa. We've created so many chances today and all season yet just got a handful of points. I'm sure our luck will change pretty soon and someone is gonna get a right tanking from us. Our midfield continues to be the weak link though, and my heart sank when I saw the line up of Gardner and Westwood. Good god are we ever gonna be free of that man (Westwood) from our club??
Once Tshibola and Jedinak are fit they'll be our regular middle two I'm sure.
That and Elphick and Chester don't like it when players with pace run straight at them.
I don't trust them as a pair as much as I thought/hoped I would
I agree. I was expecting Elphick to be solid and completely reliable. Don't think he's that at the moment. Hopefully he can improve.
So frustrating,we are so close to being a decent team. RDM needs some wins quick,I have this feeling that Dr Tony is not a patient man & might be trigger happy. Hopefully we get into the winning habit soon & we dont find out.
The naivety is simply staggering. Jedi is ON THE BENCH. Obviouly not fit to start, but the final 10 minutes after we went up?? BOTH of their goals were born from the midfield being weak as ditch water. The same problems over and over and over again, with the exact same results.Exactly right.
Agreed.
We've basically replaced a whole side in one summer
Uj
I've seen nothing this season to be afraid of. Naturally it's very frustrating we've not got a lot more points on the board. We'd now be seventh if we'd just held out against Huddersfield and forest, never mind the points we should have picked up on the road
We need points on the board but you could argue today was the first time we've played well for 90 minutes. And that we didn't have three first choice midfielders today too
It will come
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We replaced a whole side last year as well........
Game summed up by Guardian headline - Henri Lansbury struck late to bag Nottingham Forest a lucky point as Aston Villa imploded again.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/11/aston-villa-nottingham-forest-championship-match-report
The naivety is simply staggering. Jedi is ON THE BENCH. Obviouly not fit to start, but the final 10 minutes after we went up?? BOTH of their goals were born from the midfield being weak as ditch water. The same problems over and over and over again, with the exact same results.Exactly right.
We also learned that Bunn is simply not good enough.
I must have missed it. I hadn't realised Elphick was booked again. That means he's one from suspension before the middle of September!
I must have missed it. I hadn't realised Elphick was booked again. That means he's one from suspension before the middle of September!He was booked for getting involved with one of their players after our corner was cleared towards the end, not the first time he's done that this season when he really should be getting back to defend.
I don't think Bunn had much of a chance for the first, there's replay from behind the player shooting and it has evil swerve on it.
Havent seen it yet, Getting a bit tired of being unlucky I have to say. On the positive side sounds like we dominated again, just conceded late, again. On the other hand when I saw Gardner & Westwood in midfield I assumed defeat, possibly I am being harsh on them.
Any archives out there of last seasons Championship tables? 10 points adrift seems to be getting a little concerning, but possibly not?
Havent seen it yet, Getting a bit tired of being unlucky I have to say. On the positive side sounds like we dominated again, just conceded late, again. On the other hand when I saw Gardner & Westwood in midfield I assumed defeat, possibly I am being harsh on them.
Any archives out there of last seasons Championship tables? 10 points adrift seems to be getting a little concerning, but possibly not?
You can check any week you want here
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2015-2016/table
Havent seen it yet, Getting a bit tired of being unlucky I have to say. On the positive side sounds like we dominated again, just conceded late, again. On the other hand when I saw Gardner & Westwood in midfield I assumed defeat, possibly I am being harsh on them.
Any archives out there of last seasons Championship tables? 10 points adrift seems to be getting a little concerning, but possibly not?
26 goal attempts is the most we've had in a game for 6 years.
Havent seen it yet, Getting a bit tired of being unlucky I have to say. On the positive side sounds like we dominated again, just conceded late, again. On the other hand when I saw Gardner & Westwood in midfield I assumed defeat, possibly I am being harsh on them.
Any archives out there of last seasons Championship tables? 10 points adrift seems to be getting a little concerning, but possibly not?
On Statto (http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-championship/2015-2016/table/2015-09-12) you can view the table week by week. Think being 10 points adrift isn't too big a concern yet, but we need to start posting some wins pretty soon. Interestingly, at this stage of the season the great unwashed were fourth with the same number of points as they have now, and they finished 10th, so there's always hope
edit: Bugger - PWS beat me to it!
Bunn 4, De Laet 6, Elphick 7, Chester 6, Cissokho 6, Gardner 5, Westwood 6, Ayew 9, Grealish 7, Kodjia 9, Mccormack 6. Gestede 8
Scores on the doors from me. Thought Kodjia made a real impact and didn't enjoy the result but did enjoy the game. Can't agree with the criticism of RDM on here we should have kicked on after going ahead. If we had sat back and drawn-or lost, I would have said it was just like previous years. Deserved a win.
Absolutely gutted. Was going mental at 2-1, haven't celebrated like that since the semi-final two seasons ago, just to score two really quickly. And then they score the second of two unstoppable goals and gain the most unlikely point. We'll be ok this season when it does gel but at the moment Huddersfield and Newcastle look a long long way off catching. On another day we'd have scored a few more if not for the woodwork. Is it ok to say despite only one win i'm still enjoying this season?
Bunn 4, De Laet 6, Elphick 7, Chester 6, Cissokho 6, Gardner 5, Westwood 6, Ayew 9, Grealish 7, Kodjia 9, Mccormack 6. Gestede 8
Scores on the doors from me. Thought Kodjia made a real impact and didn't enjoy the result but did enjoy the game. Can't agree with the criticism of RDM on here we should have kicked on after going ahead. If we had sat back and drawn-or lost, I would have said it was just like previous years. Deserved a win.
I thought De Laet, Cissonho and Grealish were all excellent and your scores are too harsh.
Each to their own though.
Harsh on McCormack. It's his job to score and that's what he did.
Disappointing, Frustrating, Promising.I said the same about the atmosphere, it was dead. I know it was an early kick off but a localish team, new signings, I thought it would be decent especially as the Rotherham and Huddersfield games were rocking at times. Ticket prices were too high though imo, £37 is too much for a Championship game especially on the TV. Same prices against Newcastle and Wolves, again both on TV. We need wins between now and then to get anywhere near 35,000.
Negatives;
Gardner and Westwood cannot be allowed to play together again, neither were anywhere near good enough, if one was replaced with Jedi or Tish then we may have won.
Bunn should have done better with their first, wasn't far away from him at all. Weak.
The Holte End; shocking, like a morgue at times, admittedly I was in North Upper and I was louder. It should be a condition of sale of a ticket in the Holte that all fans must sing! Forest made us look like mutes! Embarrassing.
Positives;
Jack is growing into a brilliant player, he is using his skill and ball retention ability to bring others into the game more than previously.
Kodjia had a fantastic debut, his ability and pace was a pleasant surprise, the only thing missing was a goal, it will come.
Ayew is clearly a cut above this level, if RDM can get him to channel his sulks into beating the man in front of him he can be unstoppable in this division.
The front players in general are starting to acclimatise, as others have said with a bit more luck, we are going to give someone a right hiding sooner rather than later.
Fighting back from 1-0 down was very pleasing rather than the usual collapse, this in a team that is in its infancy in terms of fresh faces is very encouraging. Keep it up.
Good substitution bringing on Gestede but we sat back after going 2-1, with four strikers on the pitch we need to find that killer instinct. Or shore things up in the middle as has been said.
Bring on Brentford, where our winning streak begins!
I quite enjoyed the match today, despite the late equaliser. Thought we started ok then sort of retreated into our shell before going for it again. Thought RDM made a HUGE gamble going almost 4-1-5 which saw us go ahead but with the benefit of hindsight he really should have tightened it up once we did with another substitution.
At 0-1 i'd have bit yer hand off for a draw (obviously) and 2-1 i thought we'd have got another one or two, alas we didn't.
We're learning, we're evolving and we'll get plenty more wins eventually.
But I am already getting annoyed at hearing people talk about must win games and moaning as if we've blown it already. There are FORTY games to go, and ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY points to play for.
The moaners would no doubt enjoy the season a damn sight more if they just forgot about promotion and just enjoyed the games on a game by game basis with no further thought than that. We'll go back up one day, when we deserve to, whether that's this season, next season, the season after that blah blah blah
Just try and enjoy the football, because to my eyes it's already (in the main) been a bloody darn sight better than the last five years of crap
Why doesn't Grealish shoot? Not saying he should every time but it opened up a few times for him today, one time especially in the second half and he chose to pass and lost the ball.
We absolutely fucking battered them. If we keep playing like that we will win the league by ten points. Forest were jammy as fuck.
Harsh on McCormack. It's his job to score and that's what he did.
And that is what he should have done in the first half with ample room to do so instead of finding the post. I like having a 'sniffer' if he can sniff when the opportunity comes along. If he can't he's a passenger.
Why on earth do successive managers favour Westwood? 2-1 up, bring Jedinek on and job done.
Westwood is shit.
Shit.
Harsh on McCormack. It's his job to score and that's what he did.
And that is what he should have done in the first half with ample room to do so instead of finding the post. I like having a 'sniffer' if he can sniff when the opportunity comes along. If he can't he's a passenger.
If he gets in goalscoring position twice per game, misses one and scores one, every game... I'll be happy enough.
Snatching a draw from the jaws of victory.A gonads loaded opener of a post!
Can't stand watching this any more.
The level of aggravation week in-week out just does my head in.
RDM really needs to learn how to make this squad successful, and fast.
So bloody frustrating. However a couple of positives, we played pretty well for a whole 90 mins today and Forest somehow scored to wonder goals.Fully agree. However we have to give credit to RDM for changing the game by bringing on Gestede but once we were in the lead he needed to very quickly restore the balance in midfield. It was all very well have loads of attackers on the pitch when we were 1-0 down because all Forest were interested in was to defend and concentrate on time wasting. Once we took the lead they had to push up and were able to go through our midfield.
We're getting there and RDM should have solidified the midfield at 2-1.
Kodjia looks great.
We looked like scoring evry time we attacked, cant remember the last time i enjoyed a villa game as much as this, must be back to the mon days.
It's fun to watch villa play again, and that's all i ask for.
This is actually worse than last season being terminally shit. We're shovelling sides for large portions. And then we throw it away, either through our only mistake of the game or through stupid naivety.Sorry that is complete rubbish. You would rather watch us last season where we struggled to cross the halfway line than this season where we have completely dominated teams. The results haven't been great but we need to stay patient and allow the team to gel. It's September 11 and we have 40 league games left. I'm really encouraged with the overall performances and I'm enjoying going to the Villa again. Just don't get the anger from some on here. If we are 16th in February I would understand it. People really need to get a grip and calm down quite frankly.
Honestly, we've not played anybody who borders on the impressive and yet time and again we conspire to chuck it away. Forest were absolutely diabolical and yet they score twice.
I cannot fathom why Jedinak didn't come on. RDM you have cotton wool between your ears.
Disappointing, Frustrating, Promising.I said the same about the atmosphere, it was dead. I know it was an early kick off but a localish team, new signings, I thought it would be decent especially as the Rotherham and Huddersfield games were rocking at times. Ticket prices were too high though imo, £37 is too much for a Championship game especially on the TV. Same prices against Newcastle and Wolves, again both on TV. We need wins between now and then to get anywhere near 35,000.
Negatives;
The Holte End; shocking, like a morgue at times, admittedly I was in North Upper and I was louder. It should be a condition of sale of a ticket in the Holte that all fans must sing! Forest made us look like mutes! Embarrassing.
Not sure about Ayew though...its something about his body language doesn't strike me as the best way to build a teamspirit.
He has so much talent, it just isn't applied at winning together with his teammates...it looks like he is trying to win despite them.
Ayew was brilliant and basically was the main provider of both goals...but true to form managed to pick up another unnecessary booking.Not sure about Ayew though...its something about his body language doesn't strike me as the best way to build a teamspirit.
He has so much talent, it just isn't applied at winning together with his teammates...it looks like he is trying to win despite them.
Ayew was brilliant in the 2nd half and played a big part in both of our goals.
An unwritten rule I have is you can usually tell how the atmosphere will be from how loud and long the 'Villa Villa...' chant is when the players come out. Today it was barely audible and it never really picked up from there, apart from the spell after the goals obviously. First half was eerily silent, as quiet as any game last season.Disappointing, Frustrating, Promising.I said the same about the atmosphere, it was dead. I know it was an early kick off but a localish team, new signings, I thought it would be decent especially as the Rotherham and Huddersfield games were rocking at times. Ticket prices were too high though imo, £37 is too much for a Championship game especially on the TV. Same prices against Newcastle and Wolves, again both on TV. We need wins between now and then to get anywhere near 35,000.
Negatives;
The Holte End; shocking, like a morgue at times, admittedly I was in North Upper and I was louder. It should be a condition of sale of a ticket in the Holte that all fans must sing! Forest made us look like mutes! Embarrassing.
I agree totally, was very weird atmosphere today.
Prices far too high, I booked tickets on phone and I had to borrow booking refs as the club classes today as a derby match!?!
The club need to relax their ridiculous rules and we might of been closer to 35k today!
The Holte was pretty full however, so doesn't really explain the lack of energy?
Needs to be like Rotherham and Huddersfield every week!
Is De Laet really an improvement on Hutton?
Is De Laet really an improvement on Hutton?
Is De Laet really an improvement on Hutton?
Is De Laet really an improvement on Hutton?
Not sure about Ayew though...its something about his body language doesn't strike me as the best way to build a teamspirit.
He has so much talent, it just isn't applied at winning together with his teammates...it looks like he is trying to win despite them.
Ayew was brilliant in the 2nd half and played a big part in both of our goals.
It's easy to say in hindsight that we should have put Jedinak on straight away.
Sometimes breaking up the flow of your team that has the upper hand can work against you. (Leicester away last season).
I trust RDM and Steve Clarke.
Is De Laet really an improvement on Hutton?
Yes Hutton is terrible
I couldn't hear Forest at all from the Upper Holte, the atmosphere seemed decent from were I was to be fair.
An unwritten rule I have is you can usually tell how the atmosphere will be from how loud and long the 'Villa Villa...' chant is when the players come out. Today it was barely audible and it never really picked up from there, apart from the spell after the goals obviously. First half was eerily silent, as quiet as any game last season.Disappointing, Frustrating, Promising.I said the same about the atmosphere, it was dead. I know it was an early kick off but a localish team, new signings, I thought it would be decent especially as the Rotherham and Huddersfield games were rocking at times. Ticket prices were too high though imo, £37 is too much for a Championship game especially on the TV. Same prices against Newcastle and Wolves, again both on TV. We need wins between now and then to get anywhere near 35,000.
Negatives;
The Holte End; shocking, like a morgue at times, admittedly I was in North Upper and I was louder. It should be a condition of sale of a ticket in the Holte that all fans must sing! Forest made us look like mutes! Embarrassing.
I agree totally, was very weird atmosphere today.
Prices far too high, I booked tickets on phone and I had to borrow booking refs as the club classes today as a derby match!?!
The club need to relax their ridiculous rules and we might of been closer to 35k today!
The Holte was pretty full however, so doesn't really explain the lack of energy?
Needs to be like Rotherham and Huddersfield every week!
Not sure about Ayew though...its something about his body language doesn't strike me as the best way to build a teamspirit.
He has so much talent, it just isn't applied at winning together with his teammates...it looks like he is trying to win despite them.
Ayew was brilliant in the 2nd half and played a big part in both of our goals.
Hopefully he'll watch the video of that spell in the second half when he ran at people, looked up and passed the ball.
In the first half he was just a glorified Zog. Running with the ball until he was tackled or blazed the ball wide.
Great player, just frustrating a lot of the time
I couldn't hear Forest at all from the Upper Holte, the atmosphere seemed decent from were I was to be fair.
i am about 12 seats away from the away fans and hardly heard the holte apart from a ten min spell after we equalised. forest did make some noise
however the acoustics are a bit strange at vp, ive been in a1 in the upper trinity and have struggled to hear the holte
It's not about luck to me. Not over 7 matches against mediocre opposition at best. We have serious problems taking our chances, defending a lead and concentrating in the last 5 minutes of a match.Maybe luck is the wrong word, but McCormack off the bar at Derby, his effort off the post today, the one that hit Ayew and bounced wide. I just sit there and think 'If that was up the other end it would have bounced in'.
I didn't expect all problems to be sorted out so soon but I did expect more than one win in 7. RDM needs to sort it out and fast.
It's not about luck to me. Not over 7 matches against mediocre opposition at best. We have serious problems taking our chances, defending a lead and concentrating in the last 5 minutes of a match.
I didn't expect all problems to be sorted out so soon but I did expect more than one win in 7. RDM needs to sort it out and fast.
It's not about luck to me. Not over 7 matches against mediocre opposition at best. We have serious problems taking our chances, defending a lead and concentrating in the last 5 minutes of a match.
I didn't expect all problems to be sorted out so soon but I did expect more than one win in 7. RDM needs to sort it out and fast.
Exactly, it's nothing to do with luck which doesn't exist. It's faults that need ironing out or we will keep repeating these results over and over again.
if you played back all our highlights in today's game Ayew would be at the heart of most of them,
He made both goals and looked dangerous the whole game
yet walking out of the ground I was still hearing people saying they weren't convinced by him,
same on here with some, I just don't get it,
He's by far the most influential player we have, he doesn't get it right all the time, but he's one hell of a player for us
I agree, he is our best player. He is not infallible, though - he is at times guilty of poor decision making (extra step before shooting, shooting not passing, running into blind alleys).m
The two points are not incompatible.
It's not about luck to me. Not over 7 matches against mediocre opposition at best. We have serious problems taking our chances, defending a lead and concentrating in the last 5 minutes of a match.
I didn't expect all problems to be sorted out so soon but I did expect more than one win in 7. RDM needs to sort it out and fast.
Exactly, it's nothing to do with luck which doesn't exist. It's faults that need ironing out or we will keep repeating these results over and over again.
This is going to be settled by a mistake or a bit of luck isn't it?
This is actually worse than last season being terminally shit. We're shovelling sides for large portions. And then we throw it away, either through our only mistake of the game or through stupid naivety.Sorry that is complete rubbish. You would rather watch us last season where we struggled to cross the halfway line than this season where we have completely dominated teams. The results haven't been great but we need to stay patient and allow the team to gel. It's September 11 and we have 40 league games left. I'm really encouraged with the overall performances and I'm enjoying going to the Villa again. Just don't get the anger from some on here. If we are 16th in February I would understand it. People really need to get a grip and calm down quite frankly.
Honestly, we've not played anybody who borders on the impressive and yet time and again we conspire to chuck it away. Forest were absolutely diabolical and yet they score twice.
I cannot fathom why Jedinak didn't come on. RDM you have cotton wool between your ears.
It's not about luck to me. Not over 7 matches against mediocre opposition at best. We have serious problems taking our chances, defending a lead and concentrating in the last 5 minutes of a match.Maybe luck is the wrong word, but McCormack off the bar at Derby, his effort off the post today, the one that hit Ayew and bounced wide. I just sit there and think 'If that was up the other end it would have bounced in'.
I didn't expect all problems to be sorted out so soon but I did expect more than one win in 7. RDM needs to sort it out and fast.
Is De Laet really an improvement on Hutton?
Is De Laet really an improvement on Hutton?
I'm 55 and have arthritic hips, but I'd be an improvement on Hutton. I thought De Laet looked steady and showed some nice touches.
I'm most concerned about the shape and balance. With our signings we've sort of nailed 4-2-3-1 down, I don't like it, and I don't think we've got enough about us to open sides up with that formation. It's a counter-attacking team.
Ayew is inside all the time, McCormack dictates we must play 1 off the front and Grealish isn't an out and out winger.
We'd be better off 4-4-2 with Gestede and Kodjia and Adomah/Bacuna one side. But Ayew and McCormack mean that's gonna be a big call.
Points lost due to a lightweight midfield
Especially the second the run wasn't that good it was just piss poor defending by a team overrun with attackers.Really need Tishibola and Jedinek to be fit as Westwood and Gardner ,especially as a midfield 2 isn't good enough
Points have been lost due to not taking our chances..it's as simple as that.Points lost due to a lightweight midfield
Especially the second the run wasn't that good it was just piss poor defending by a team overrun with attackers.Really need Tishibola and Jedinek to be fit as Westwood and Gardner ,especially as a midfield 2 isn't good enough
Absolutely
It is going to take a while to gel, Kodija for instance has possibly had two training sessions with the squad & it showed that no one really read his runs at all but that will come with time.
Why RDM didn't bring Jedinak on the moment Gestede scored was mystifying - why Gestede was stood on touch line waiting to come on whilst we had a corner was plain bonkers....
Thought the full backs looked way better than they have for a long long time.
Too many attacking players on pitch to my mind, when the ball was with Chester or Elphick it slows to walking pace because they have no one dropping off to give the short pass so they hold it until they have to hit it long, with 3 in centre mid there is a natural pathway from back to front, with 2 who aren't most mobile there is a gap that takes away momentum.
Gardner was ok for me today, he carried the ball forward well and was way more effective than Westwood who yet again contributed nothing. As a 4th choice centre mid Gardner is fine, the problem is him & Westwood are 3rd & 4th...we are a midfielder light.
McCormack needs to be more aware, too often on his heels when ball passed towards him.
Jack's all round game getting better by the week, the player who when the ball is lost just stands still is hopefully completely on the past now.
Ayew did well, if only he had composure in front of goal.
Think we need those 3 points on Wednesday now more than ever, there are still plenty of games to get in the mix but that habit of winning has to start soon.
I managed to watch a few Championship games this weekend including our game and I must say that Villa were by far the best side I saw.
Reading - Ipswich on Friday was a poor game and Newcastle didn't have to do a lot to beat a very poor Derby side.
Even Blues had to really grind out their win over Fulham.
There is nothing to fear from any of them.
RDM made a big error in not at least getting Jedi on when we went 2-1 up. If he was fit enough to be on the bench he could at least have played 20 minutes.
We missed a shit load of chances and had some bad luck.
How many times have we hit the woodwork this season?
Once we get everyone fit and really start to gel as a team someone will be in for a real hammering.
Yesterday was disappointing because we didn't win but I am encouraged for the future.
I managed to watch a few Championship games this weekend including our game and I must say that Villa were by far the best side I saw.
Reading - Ipswich on Friday was a poor game and Newcastle didn't have to do a lot to beat a very poor Derby side.
Even Blues had to really grind out their win over Fulham.
There is nothing to fear from any of them.
RDM made a big error in not at least getting Jedi on when we went 2-1 up. If he was fit enough to be on the bench he could at least have played 20 minutes.
We missed a shit load of chances and had some bad luck.
How many times have we hit the woodwork this season?
Once we get everyone fit and really start to gel as a team someone will be in for a real hammering.
Yesterday was disappointing because we didn't win but I am encouraged for the future.
Not sure on season totals, but it's 5 times in last two matches plus one off line in both games.
Points lost due to a lightweight midfield
Especially the second the run wasn't that good it was just piss poor defending by a team overrun with attackers.Really need Tishibola and Jedinek to be fit as Westwood and Gardner ,especially as a midfield 2 isn't good enough
Absolutely
Points lost due to a lightweight midfield
Especially the second the run wasn't that good it was just piss poor defending by a team overrun with attackers.Really need Tishibola and Jedinek to be fit as Westwood and Gardner ,especially as a midfield 2 isn't good enough
Absolutely
Jedinak and Tshibola will replace those two when fit
Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but thought it was worth mentioning the minute's applause on 23 minutes for the villa fan who lost his battle with cancer aged 24. Have to admit I didn't know what it was about until afterwards
Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but thought it was worth mentioning the minute's applause on 23 minutes for the villa fan who lost his battle with cancer aged 24. Have to admit I didn't know what it was about until afterwards
Likewise CJ - feel terrible now as I had presumed it was a bizarre recognition of 9/11 or a mistimed Dalian appreciation. I'll make a donation to Cancer Research today by means of an apology to the Villa fans family.
We won't hammer anyone if we stop attacking when we go into a one goal lead.
Forest came for a point and got it...it seemed every time we got a head of steam on the Forest goals they would find away to use their frustrating time wasting tactics to slow us down, so although far from great it looks like we are getting better with each game and I believe we will thump someone real soon.
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The Doc
We won't hammer anyone if we stop attacking when we go into a one goal lead.
We are a point better off than at the same time in 87-88 and seventh game is where we started our run towards promotion. Let's hope history repeats itself.I'm getting more and more confident it will click into place. Knowing what you have said and also Burnley's form last season started around Christmas I've put a punt on Bet 365 for a top two finish.
We won't hammer anyone if we stop attacking when we go into a one goal lead.
and also the best way of seeing a match out is by going two or more goals up on them
I'm not sure we are capable of shutting up shop no matter how many defensive players we have on the pitch
I keep reading we are going to batter, hammer thump someone soon.
This is not the point, we need to get a team with a winning mentality over a long period of games.
Putting 4 past someone only to drop points the next game is not going to get us out of this league.
I don't think this set up has the ability to do that because we are to vulnerable defensively.
Play offs is the most we can hope for.
Gollini must have been knackered having to play in two positions at once:
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p677/davidjcollins/gollini_zpsb0siagkx.png) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/davidjcollins/media/gollini_zpsb0siagkx.png.html)
Either that or Dr. Tone has perfected a cloning technique.
Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere but thought it was worth mentioning the minute's applause on 23 minutes for the villa fan who lost his battle with cancer aged 24. Have to admit I didn't know what it was about until afterwardsNot many people did around me including myself. Fair play to majority of the supporters for being so aware and a good response from Forest as well.
I have to say that Forest were Stoke newly promoted under Pulis levels of horrible when it came to cheating. I have seen his teams with both Stoke and Olbiyun waste time from the start of a game but never so blatantly with people feigning injury.
I counted at least 10 occasions where their players fell down playing dead when nobody was anywhere near them. The referee was shit.
I have to say that Forest were Stoke newly promoted under Pulis levels of horrible when it came to cheating. I have seen his teams with both Stoke and Olbiyun waste time from the start of a game but never so blatantly with people feigning injury.
I counted at least 10 occasions where their players fell down playing dead when nobody was anywhere near them. The referee was shit.
that is very true,
and when they were losing, did they go down, dying, did they fuck, cloughie would turn in his grave.
I have to say that Forest were Stoke newly promoted under Pulis levels of horrible when it came to cheating. I have seen his teams with both Stoke and Olbiyun waste time from the start of a game but never so blatantly with people feigning injury.
I counted at least 10 occasions where their players fell down playing dead when nobody was anywhere near them. The referee was shit.
that is very true,
and when they were losing, did they go down, dying, did they fuck, cloughie would turn in his grave.
They were going down in pairs as well, and would often jump straight back up when the ref ignored them. It was blatant.
I have to say that Forest were Stoke newly promoted under Pulis levels of horrible when it came to cheating. I have seen his teams with both Stoke and Olbiyun waste time from the start of a game but never so blatantly with people feigning injury.
I counted at least 10 occasions where their players fell down playing dead when nobody was anywhere near them. The referee was shit.
that is very true,
and when they were losing, did they go down, dying, did they fuck, cloughie would turn in his grave.
They were going down in pairs as well, and would often jump straight back up when the ref ignored them. It was blatant.
The most blatant was when they had one down injured but off the pitch so another decided to have a little lie down in the penalty area.
Saw the goals on TV earlier after being at the game yesterday. Have to say that Westwood's defensive efforts for both their goals left a log to be desired. The half hearted tackle for the first goal was especially poor.
Gollini must have been knackered having to play in two positions at once:
(http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p677/davidjcollins/gollini_zpsb0siagkx.png) (http://s1345.photobucket.com/user/davidjcollins/media/gollini_zpsb0siagkx.png.html)
Either that or Dr. Tone has perfected a cloning technique.
Saw the goals on TV earlier after being at the game yesterday. Have to say that Westwood's defensive efforts for both their goals left a log to be desired. The half hearted tackle for the first goal was especially poor.
And the typo of the day award goes to.....
I have to say that Forest were Stoke newly promoted under Pulis levels of horrible when it came to cheating. I have seen his teams with both Stoke and Olbiyun waste time from the start of a game but never so blatantly with people feigning injury.
I counted at least 10 occasions where their players fell down playing dead when nobody was anywhere near them. The referee was shit.
that is very true,
and when they were losing, did they go down, dying, did they fuck, cloughie would turn in his grave.
They were going down in pairs as well, and would often jump straight back up when the ref ignored them. It was blatant.
The most blatant was when they had one down injured but off the pitch so another decided to have a little lie down in the penalty area.
I have to say that Forest were Stoke newly promoted under Pulis levels of horrible when it came to cheating. I have seen his teams with both Stoke and Olbiyun waste time from the start of a game but never so blatantly with people feigning injury.
I counted at least 10 occasions where their players fell down playing dead when nobody was anywhere near them. The referee was shit.
that is very true,
and when they were losing, did they go down, dying, did they fuck, cloughie would turn in his grave.
They were going down in pairs as well, and would often jump straight back up when the ref ignored them. It was blatant.
The most blatant was when they had one down injured but off the pitch so another decided to have a little lie down in the penalty area.
Dunno - I've only just "logged" on.Saw the goals on TV earlier after being at the game yesterday. Have to say that Westwood's defensive efforts for both their goals left a log to be desired. The half hearted tackle for the first goal was especially poor.
And the typo of the day award goes to.....