Sorry folks but I'm just glad it's over to be honest
It takes some fuckery to take a club the size of Villa to rock bottom of the table.
How long before the first nose posts on here?
Sad day for us all. The players, particularly Gabby and Grealish should be ashamed of themselves. If they had any sustance they would have left nothing out on pitch busting a gut to keep us up.
The hierarchy of our club during the last six years should hang their heads in shame. Alas, none of them gives a crap about us and the club we love .
But this has been coming since MON walked. The club was shaken to its foundations and never recovered. No leadership on and off the pitch.
How many of our players will be sitting in the changing room feeling devastated. Not many.
I'm not a violent man, but I'd never tire of stamping on that face.I like the idea of having a Brazilian on his head, makes him look like a cnut too
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I'm not a violent man, but I'd never tire of stamping on that face.
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Time to sort the wheat from the chaff. The Club needs to be strong and ruthless and get rid of those players that are the centre of the negativity.
There are players in that squad that can do better with the right type of players around them but there are others that are dragging these players down.
https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/721371675137286145
I'm not a violent man, but I'd never tire of stamping on that face.
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Isn't that after the final whistle?
I'm not a violent man, but I'd never tire of stamping on that face.
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https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/721371675137286145
I'm not a violent man, but I'd never tire of stamping on that face.that kin stupid grin, twat
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Time to sort the wheat from the chaff. The Club needs to be strong and ruthless and get rid of those players that are the centre of the negativity.
There are players in that squad that can do better with the right type of players around them but there are others that are dragging these players down.
That won't take long, as it's all chaff. Chaff from top to bottom. There really is nothing to sort.
Well, that's that then. The club is an utter disgrace.
I'm not a violent man, but I'd never tire of stamping on that face..
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Get rid of this grinning halfwit as soon as possible.
Time to sort the wheat from the chaff. The Club needs to be strong and ruthless and get rid of those players that are the centre of the negativity.
There are players in that squad that can do better with the right type of players around them but there are others that are dragging these players down.
That won't take long, as it's all chaff. Chaff from top to bottom. There really is nothing to sort.
https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/721371675137286145
That's one of the dumbest statements I've heard.
Well, that's that then. The club is an utter disgrace.
Indeed. It takes an incredible amount of fuckwittery to relegate a club as big as Aston Villa but somehow they managed it.
Shame on you, Randy Lerner. Shame on you.
https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/721371675137286145
That's one of the dumbest statements I've heard.
just sums up what a c*** lescott is
we couldnt really be arsed during the last nine games when there was the faintest glimmer but now we are down we may try a bit if we can be arsed
16 points. I don't know how we managed to get those!
I heard it was his pockets not him.https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/721371675137286145
That's one of the dumbest statements I've heard.
Well, that's that then. The club is an utter disgrace.
Indeed. It takes an incredible amount of fuckwittery to relegate a club as big as Aston Villa but somehow they managed it.
Shame on you, Randy Lerner. Shame on you.
It is similar to a battle, you can retreat but at some point you have to set up a defensive position and you go no further, otherwise you will be routed. Lerner failed to sanction what was necessary at the beginning of Lambert's 2nd season. The result is that we have been routed.
I'll renew next season but I've serious doubts that we'll return to the Prem at the first time of asking. Its going to take one huge turnaround.
Does anyone know the figures about recent instances of sides coming straight back up? There are plenty of cases of teams stuck in the mess that is mid table mediocrity. I wonder if the success rate is that good.
I'll renew next season but I've serious doubts that we'll return to the Prem at the first time of asking. Its going to take one huge turnaround.
Does anyone know the figures about recent instances of sides coming straight back up? There are plenty of cases of teams stuck in the mess that is mid table mediocrity. I wonder if the success rate is that good.
https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/721371675137286145
That's one of the dumbest statements I've heard.
just sums up what a c*** lescott is
we couldnt really be arsed during the last nine games when there was the faintest glimmer but now we are down we may try a bit if we can be arsed
Sums up just how out of touch some of these clowns are.
How long before the first nose posts on here?
How long before the first nose posts on here?
Well half of them seem to be on this site 24/7 , so it shouldn't be long !
How long before the first nose posts on here?
Well half of them seem to be on this site 24/7 , so it shouldn't be long !
Let them at least get back from the Home game I'm sure they've all been to.
How long before the first nose posts on here?
Well half of them seem to be on this site 24/7 , so it shouldn't be long !
Let them at least get back from the Home game I'm sure they've all been to.
To be fair ... there will be be very few tears as weve known its been coming for so very very long...in truth it should / could have been any of the last 3 or 4 seasons.
Its been like losing a long suffering loved one... part of you dreads the day they are taken but for the other part of you, as there is only one outcome, to end their suffering that day cant come soon enough.
We can know look back on the memories of happier times and look to the light at the end of the tunnel.
There is always light ... just matter of time
I'll renew next season but I've serious doubts that we'll return to the Prem at the first time of asking. Its going to take one huge turnaround.
Does anyone know the figures about recent instances of sides coming straight back up? There are plenty of cases of teams stuck in the mess that is mid table mediocrity. I wonder if the success rate is that good.
To all the die-hards who went home-and-away every game this season I absolutely tip my hat to you all, you deserve better than this shit, hold your heads up high tonight - respect.Hear hear.
This needs to be treated as an opportunity. I really don't understand what everybody is getting in a hooley about. We now have an opportunity to compete in a league with a realistic possibility of actually winning something be that the championship or promotion back to the Premier League. The only downside is if we do go back up next season it will be to just join the gravy train without ever really being able to win it. The Premier League is shit, uncompetitive and boring, I find it astonishing that so many supporters on here want to carry on playing in that league. Keep your nerve we will have far more excitement next season in The Championship.
This needs to be treated as an opportunity. I really don't understand what everybody is getting in a hooley about. We now have an opportunity to compete in a league with a realistic possibility of actually winning something be that the championship or promotion back to the Premier League. The only downside is if we do go back up next season it will be to just join the gravy train without ever really being able to win it. The Premier League is shit, uncompetitive and boring, I find it astonishing that so many supporters on here want to carry on playing in that league. Keep your nerve we will have far more excitement next season in The Championship.Tell that to Leicester City.
This needs to be treated as an opportunity. I really don't understand what everybody is getting in a hooley about. We now have an opportunity to compete in a league with a realistic possibility of actually winning something be that the championship or promotion back to the Premier League. The only downside is if we do go back up next season it will be to just join the gravy train without ever really being able to win it. The Premier League is shit, uncompetitive and boring, I find it astonishing that so many supporters on here want to carry on playing in that league. Keep your nerve we will have far more excitement next season in The Championship.
Just think of the jolly fun to be had in the third division.This needs to be treated as an opportunity. I really don't understand what everybody is getting in a hooley about. We now have an opportunity to compete in a league with a realistic possibility of actually winning something be that the championship or promotion back to the Premier League. The only downside is if we do go back up next season it will be to just join the gravy train without ever really being able to win it. The Premier League is shit, uncompetitive and boring, I find it astonishing that so many supporters on here want to carry on playing in that league. Keep your nerve we will have far more excitement next season in The Championship.
Hmm.
This needs to be treated as an opportunity. I really don't understand what everybody is getting in a hooley about. We now have an opportunity to compete in a league with a realistic possibility of actually winning something be that the championship or promotion back to the Premier League. The only downside is if we do go back up next season it will be to just join the gravy train without ever really being able to win it. The Premier League is shit, uncompetitive and boring, I find it astonishing that so many supporters on here want to carry on playing in that league. Keep your nerve we will have far more excitement next season in The Championship.Tell that to Leicester City.
This needs to be treated as an opportunity. I really don't understand what everybody is getting in a hooley about. We now have an opportunity to compete in a league with a realistic possibility of actually winning something be that the championship or promotion back to the Premier League. The only downside is if we do go back up next season it will be to just join the gravy train without ever really being able to win it. The Premier League is shit, uncompetitive and boring, I find it astonishing that so many supporters on here want to carry on playing in that league. Keep your nerve we will have far more excitement next season in The Championship.
Hmm.
The true problem is that nothing has changed.Nothing will change until we replace the vast majority of the squad. This is the worst Villa team I've ever seen. Absolutely awful
We have new board members and we have been lulled into thinking that means things will change for the better. In real terms nothing has changed. We continue to lose games and we continue to outrage the supporters. Improvement may come but there has been nothing different for the last three months than for the last five years.
Houllier came and we said great, things will get better. Houllier left and we said we will get a healthy replacement and things will get better. His replacement was sacked and we said great, things will get better. Lambert got sacked and we said great, things will get better. Sherwood was sacked and we said great, things will get better. Garde was sacked, Fox was sacked, Almstadt was sacked and we all said great, things will get better. Bernstein, King, Bevington and Brian Little came in andcwe said great, things will get better.
But things have not got better. They have got worse.
Now we are saying the games will be much easier next season, great things will get better.
Nothing other than a slap on the wrist for Gabby has happened to correct our decline. We have just been relegated and the only words directed towards the bedrock of the club, the fans, are insults from Lescott and banal rent-a-caretaker platitudes from Eric Black.
I see no positive sign whatsoever that anything has changed or is in the process if being changed with any degree of urgency.
The true problem is that nothing has changed.
We have new board members and we have been lulled into thinking that means things will change for the better. In real terms nothing has changed. We continue to lose games and we continue to outrage the supporters. Improvement may come but there has been nothing different for the last three months than for the last five years.
Houllier came and we said great, things will get better. Houllier left and we said we will get a healthy replacement and things will get better. His replacement was sacked and we said great, things will get better. Lambert got sacked and we said great, things will get better. Sherwood was sacked and we said great, things will get better. Garde was sacked, Fox was sacked, Almstadt was sacked and we all said great, things will get better. Bernstein, King, Bevington and Brian Little came in andcwe said great, things will get better.
But things have not got better. They have got worse.
Now we are saying the games will be much easier next season, great things will get better.
Nothing other than a slap on the wrist for Gabby has happened to correct our decline. We have just been relegated and the only words directed towards the bedrock of the club, the fans, are insults from Lescott and banal rent-a-caretaker platitudes from Eric Black.
I see no positive sign whatsoever that anything has changed or is in the process if being changed with any degree of urgency.
To all the die-hards who went home-and-away every game this season I absolutely tip my hat to you all, you deserve better than this shit, hold your heads up high tonight - respect.Hear hear.
I've been trying to find the words but you sum it up completely
Again, I agree.To all the die-hards who went home-and-away every game this season I absolutely tip my hat to you all, you deserve better than this shit, hold your heads up high tonight - respect.Hear hear.
I've been trying to find the words but you sum it up completely
I thought the line up today was an insult to the travelling fans.
If Eric Black is still in charge next week, are we supposed to accept the same teamsheet?
Unacceptable with nothing left to play for league wise.
This needs to be treated as an opportunity. I really don't understand what everybody is getting in a hooley about. We now have an opportunity to compete in a league with a realistic possibility of actually winning something be that the championship or promotion back to the Premier League. The only downside is if we do go back up next season it will be to just join the gravy train without ever really being able to win it. The Premier League is shit, uncompetitive and boring, I find it astonishing that so many supporters on here want to carry on playing in that league. Keep your nerve we will have far more excitement next season in The Championship.
Hmm.
Maybe but the vast majority of our existance has been in the top division and for many of those season competiting in the top 6-8.
That's the annoyance for me, that it's been drummed in from the clubs actions last 5 years that we're not good enough for the premier league and so should be grateful to be going down to the championship where we can win some games.
We've been winning games comfortably enough for most seasons I've followed us up to 2010. As uncompetitive as the premier league usually is (apart from this season) you can't say 2008-10 were boring seasons. We won pretty much 50% of our league games over a 3 season period.
The true problem is that nothing has changed.
We have new board members and we have been lulled into thinking that means things will change for the better. In real terms nothing has changed. We continue to lose games and we continue to outrage the supporters. Improvement may come but there has been nothing different for the last three months than for the last five years.
Houllier came and we said great, things will get better. Houllier left and we said we will get a healthy replacement and things will get better. His replacement was sacked and we said great, things will get better. Lambert got sacked and we said great, things will get better. Sherwood was sacked and we said great, things will get better. Garde was sacked, Fox was sacked, Almstadt was sacked and we all said great, things will get better. Bernstein, King, Bevington and Brian Little came in andcwe said great, things will get better.
But things have not got better. They have got worse.
Now we are saying the games will be much easier next season, great things will get better.
Nothing other than a slap on the wrist for Gabby has happened to correct our decline. We have just been relegated and the only words directed towards the bedrock of the club, the fans, are insults from Lescott and banal rent-a-caretaker platitudes from Eric Black.
I see no positive sign whatsoever that anything has changed or is in the process if being changed with any degree of urgency.
The true problem is that nothing has changed.We all know what has to change, but until someone decides that buying a championship football club is financially viable we're f***ed.
We have new board members and we have been lulled into thinking that means things will change for the better. In real terms nothing has changed. We continue to lose games and we continue to outrage the supporters. Improvement may come but there has been nothing different for the last three months than for the last five years.
Houllier came and we said great, things will get better. Houllier left and we said we will get a healthy replacement and things will get better. His replacement was sacked and we said great, things will get better. Lambert got sacked and we said great, things will get better. Sherwood was sacked and we said great, things will get better. Garde was sacked, Fox was sacked, Almstadt was sacked and we all said great, things will get better. Bernstein, King, Bevington and Brian Little came in andcwe said great, things will get better.
But things have not got better. They have got worse.
Now we are saying the games will be much easier next season, great things will get better.
Nothing other than a slap on the wrist for Gabby has happened to correct our decline. We have just been relegated and the only words directed towards the bedrock of the club, the fans, are insults from Lescott and banal rent-a-caretaker platitudes from Eric Black.
I see no positive sign whatsoever that anything has changed or is in the process if being changed with any degree of urgency.
The Guardian: http://gu.com/p/4tcqe/stw
The Guardian: http://gu.com/p/4tcqe/stw
"One long-serving employee was asked recently to undertake a quiz on Villa’s history to convince the people above her that she should keep her job"
I hope she was part of the tour team, otherwise what the hell does it matter.
The Guardian: http://gu.com/p/4tcqe/stw
"One long-serving employee was asked recently to undertake a quiz on Villa’s history to convince the people above her that she should keep her job"
I hope she was part of the tour team, otherwise what the hell does it matter.
This needs to be treated as an opportunity. I really don't understand what everybody is getting in a hooley about. We now have an opportunity to compete in a league with a realistic possibility of actually winning something be that the championship or promotion back to the Premier League. The only downside is if we do go back up next season it will be to just join the gravy train without ever really being able to win it. The Premier League is shit, uncompetitive and boring, I find it astonishing that so many supporters on here want to carry on playing in that league. Keep your nerve we will have far more excitement next season in The Championship.
On the plus side, Kiddy are relegated as well. 6 fingered twonks.
It will be easy to find articles that depict the worst case scenario. I'd go along with all of it if Tom Fox/Almstadt were still overseeing things with Randy a million miles away. We have started the process to clean up the mess over the past 5 years so the hope is we will approach next season more prepared than many other sides. Not less.
It will be easy to find articles that depict the worst case scenario. I'd go along with all of it if Tom Fox/Almstadt were still overseeing things with Randy a million miles away. We have started the process to clean up the mess over the past 5 years so the hope is we will approach next season more prepared than many other sides. Not less.
Easy to find such articles because they have been so inept for six seasons that the articles write themselves. Lerner's villa sat back and proved Ian Holloway's 2011 insult about 'half arsed club that used to be famous' to be true instead of rolling up their sleeves and shoving them back down his throat.
People have spent five years hoping we would turn the corner and things would get better. Instead, things have got worse and worse. It baffles me how any villa fan can, on this day, give Lerner's villa regime the benefit of the doubt.
And trying to win it.This needs to be treated as an opportunity. I really don't understand what everybody is getting in a hooley about. We now have an opportunity to compete in a league with a realistic possibility of actually winning something be that the championship or promotion back to the Premier League. The only downside is if we do go back up next season it will be to just join the gravy train without ever really being able to win it. The Premier League is shit, uncompetitive and boring, I find it astonishing that so many supporters on here want to carry on playing in that league. Keep your nerve we will have far more excitement next season in The Championship.
A club like Villa simply has to aspire to at least be in the Premier League.
It will be easy to find articles that depict the worst case scenario. I'd go along with all of it if Tom Fox/Almstadt were still overseeing things with Randy a million miles away. We have started the process to clean up the mess over the past 5 years so the hope is we will approach next season more prepared than many other sides. Not less.
Easy to find such articles because they have been so inept for six seasons that the articles write themselves. Lerner's villa sat back and proved Ian Holloway's 2011 insult about 'half arsed club that used to be famous' to be true instead of rolling up their sleeves and shoving them back down his throat.
People have spent five years hoping we would turn the corner and things would get better. Instead, things have got worse and worse. It baffles me how any villa fan can, on this day, give Lerner's villa regime the benefit of the doubt.
Who is giving Lerner the benefit of the doubt?
Compare Darren Bents reaction to that utter tear Lescott's.
Sad to see my former club villa go down today. Painful for everyone associated with the club. Hopefully they will be back very soon. #avfc
6:28pm - 16 Apr 16
That's the annoyance for me, that it's been drummed in from the clubs actions last 5 years that we're not good enough for the premier league and so should be grateful to be going down to the championship where we can win some games.
That's the annoyance for me, that it's been drummed in from the clubs actions last 5 years that we're not good enough for the premier league and so should be grateful to be going down to the championship where we can win some games.
That's it, there. Expectations have been steadily lowered since 2010, and now some people are talking about Settling into a legue where we might win a game or two. There lies the path to League One.
Nice touch from Mr Bent.
And don't worry Ciggies, i'll still talk to you. Which thinking about it, is probably your punishment for liking Kiddy!
It's over. It's a mathematical certainty.
What a relief.
And what an injustice that it didn't happen three weeks sooner (three wins all season).
Sorry for my language but today is an emotional day. (spoilered Pat Murphy abuse)Pat Murphy you can FUCK OFF you pompous villa hating c***. You are without a doubt the worst employee of BBC sport ever and you are a disgrace to its name. Lucky for for you the BBC does not sack incompetents like you but be under no illusions we know the score. You are a fucking imbecile. Now FUCK OFF AWAY FROM MY CLUB. Hopefully when we come back up you will have been retired or packed off to cover the fucking basketball or something equally shit you are fit for. c***.
i can see what Lescott is trying to say, he is trying to say something positive, he just isn't saying it very well. His mistake is not appreciating that this is not the time to draw attention to yourself.
It is all very well Collymore getting uppity about it all, at least Lescott is doing something to meet his contractual obligations.
Sorry for my language but today is an emotional day. (spoilered Pat Murphy abuse)Pat Murphy you can FUCK OFF you pompous villa hating c***. You are without a doubt the worst employee of BBC sport ever and you are a disgrace to its name. Lucky for for you the BBC does not sack incompetents like you but be under no illusions we know the score. You are a fucking imbecile. Now FUCK OFF AWAY FROM MY CLUB. Hopefully when we come back up you will have been retired or packed off to cover the fucking basketball or something equally shit you are fit for. c***.
What's he said that's so offensive to you?
Sorry for my language but today is an emotional day. (spoilered Pat Murphy abuse)Pat Murphy you can FUCK OFF you pompous villa hating c***. You are without a doubt the worst employee of BBC sport ever and you are a disgrace to its name. Lucky for for you the BBC does not sack incompetents like you but be under no illusions we know the score. You are a fucking imbecile. Now FUCK OFF AWAY FROM MY CLUB. Hopefully when we come back up you will have been retired or packed off to cover the fucking basketball or something equally shit you are fit for. c***.
What's he said that's so offensive to you?
Years of his shitty reporting about our club have built up a nice little obssessive hatred of the bloke from me. Always wants to make the story about himself and I always pick up little snide digs at us.
Several well respected fans here disagree and hold him in esteem. I accept I am in a minority, but a growing one I hope :) I just cant stand the man.
Sorry for my language but today is an emotional day. (spoilered Pat Murphy abuse)Pat Murphy you can FUCK OFF you pompous villa hating c***. You are without a doubt the worst employee of BBC sport ever and you are a disgrace to its name. Lucky for for you the BBC does not sack incompetents like you but be under no illusions we know the score. You are a fucking imbecile. Now FUCK OFF AWAY FROM MY CLUB. Hopefully when we come back up you will have been retired or packed off to cover the fucking basketball or something equally shit you are fit for. c***.
Sorry for my language but today is an emotional day. (spoilered Pat Murphy abuse)Pat Murphy you can FUCK OFF you pompous villa hating c***. You are without a doubt the worst employee of BBC sport ever and you are a disgrace to its name. Lucky for for you the BBC does not sack incompetents like you but be under no illusions we know the score. You are a fucking imbecile. Now FUCK OFF AWAY FROM MY CLUB. Hopefully when we come back up you will have been retired or packed off to cover the fucking basketball or something equally shit you are fit for. c***.
Should be fun with Nigel Pearson then. Him and Murphy have previous.
Sorry for my language but today is an emotional day. (spoilered Pat Murphy abuse)Pat Murphy you can FUCK OFF you pompous villa hating c***. You are without a doubt the worst employee of BBC sport ever and you are a disgrace to its name. Lucky for for you the BBC does not sack incompetents like you but be under no illusions we know the score. You are a fucking imbecile. Now FUCK OFF AWAY FROM MY CLUB. Hopefully when we come back up you will have been retired or packed off to cover the fucking basketball or something equally shit you are fit for. c***.
What's he said that's so offensive to you?
Years of his shitty reporting about our club have built up a nice little obssessive hatred of the bloke from me. Always wants to make the story about himself and I always pick up little snide digs at us.
Several well respected fans here disagree and hold him in esteem. I accept I am in a minority, but a growing one I hope :) I just cant stand the man.
I think he tells it as it is. Let's face it we've deserved the vast majority of criticisms that have been thrown at us these last 6 years.
Can we now field a team of players that actually want to be here next season please?
This is my 4th relegation with the Villa, and its by far the worst, the least they can be expected to do, is take to the last two fixtures.4th for me too and this is by far the worst Villa team I have ever seen. Previous shit teams had less technical ability but so did there peers in those days but at least Villa teams of old competed. This year, for the first time in my life, it feels like we withdraw from the league and football has carried on without us.
This is my 4th relegation with the Villa, and its by far the worst, the least they can be expected to do, is take to the last two fixtures.
Kind and accurate words from Daniel Taylor of the Graun:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/apr/16/aston-villa-relegation-randy-lerner
Good piece. This line about Lerner, with reference to the Cleveland Browns, should be his epitaph:
“He wasn’t a good owner by any means, but he wasn’t a lucky one, either.”
Good piece. This line about Lerner, with reference to the Cleveland Browns, should be his epitaph:
“He wasn’t a good owner by any means, but he wasn’t a lucky one, either.”
I thought that was good as well. Lerner has made some poor decisions but my god this club has never caught a break the past few years.
Rather annoyingly, Troy Deeney has now gone up a bit in my estimation. Even more so as it's upset some of the knuckledraggers.
Rather annoyingly, Troy Deeney has now gone up a bit in my estimation. Even more so as it's upset some of the knuckledraggers.
i can see what Lescott is trying to say, he is trying to say something positive, he just isn't saying it very well. His mistake is not appreciating that this is not the time to draw attention to yourself.
It is all very well Collymore getting uppity about it all, at least Lescott is doing something to meet his contractual obligations.
Is he? What's that then?
Sorry, meant to include the link in my previous post.
https://twitter.com/T_Deeney
You'll have to scroll down a bit as he's jabbering away so pushing posts down the page..
Sorry for my language but today is an emotional day. (spoilered Pat Murphy abuse)Pat Murphy you can FUCK OFF you pompous villa hating c***. You are without a doubt the worst employee of BBC sport ever and you are a disgrace to its name. Lucky for for you the BBC does not sack incompetents like you but be under no illusions we know the score. You are a fucking imbecile. Now FUCK OFF AWAY FROM MY CLUB. Hopefully when we come back up you will have been retired or packed off to cover the fucking basketball or something equally shit you are fit for. c***.
What's he said that's so offensive to you?
Years of his shitty reporting about our club have built up a nice little obssessive hatred of the bloke from me. Always wants to make the story about himself and I always pick up little snide digs at us.
Several well respected fans here disagree and hold him in esteem. I accept I am in a minority, but a growing one I hope :) I just cant stand the man.
I think he tells it as it is. Let's face it we've deserved the vast majority of criticisms that have been thrown at us these last 6 years.
I agree I don't think he's Villa hating at all. I also think the personal abuse is a bit much.
Pat Murphy's had his say, and while it's mostly sensible he does say that the players he'd keep include Clark, who he'd make captain, Rudy Gestede, and Ashley fucking Westwood. He wouldn't keep Veretout or Adama Traore, it seems. I'm expecting more of this kind of nativism, the idea that our failure is down to soft-wristed foreigners and that we need more British Blokes.
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Agreed Pat
Sorry for my language but today is an emotional day. (spoilered Pat Murphy abuse)Pat Murphy you can FUCK OFF you pompous villa hating c***. You are without a doubt the worst employee of BBC sport ever and you are a disgrace to its name. Lucky for for you the BBC does not sack incompetents like you but be under no illusions we know the score. You are a fucking imbecile. Now FUCK OFF AWAY FROM MY CLUB. Hopefully when we come back up you will have been retired or packed off to cover the fucking basketball or something equally shit you are fit for. c***.
What's he said that's so offensive to you?
Years of his shitty reporting about our club have built up a nice little obssessive hatred of the bloke from me. Always wants to make the story about himself and I always pick up little snide digs at us.
Several well respected fans here disagree and hold him in esteem. I accept I am in a minority, but a growing one I hope :) I just cant stand the man.
I think he tells it as it is. Let's face it we've deserved the vast majority of criticisms that have been thrown at us these last 6 years.
I agree I don't think he's Villa hating at all. I also think the personal abuse is a bit much.
What?
I've no problem with Pat Murphy at all.
He tells it as it is and I respect his opinion on most things. Especially the "shitty" way out club has been run in the last 5 years.
Pat Murphy is wa*king himself silly thinking about our relegation. He is totally biased against us. He doesn't miss a chance to have a dig (which, to be fair, hasn't been difficult over the last few years). The only time he cut us slack was when his bestie Martin was in charge.Sorry for my language but today is an emotional day. (spoilered Pat Murphy abuse)Pat Murphy you can FUCK OFF you pompous villa hating c***. You are without a doubt the worst employee of BBC sport ever and you are a disgrace to its name. Lucky for for you the BBC does not sack incompetents like you but be under no illusions we know the score. You are a fucking imbecile. Now FUCK OFF AWAY FROM MY CLUB. Hopefully when we come back up you will have been retired or packed off to cover the fucking basketball or something equally shit you are fit for. c***.
What's he said that's so offensive to you?
Years of his shitty reporting about our club have built up a nice little obssessive hatred of the bloke from me. Always wants to make the story about himself and I always pick up little snide digs at us.
Several well respected fans here disagree and hold him in esteem. I accept I am in a minority, but a growing one I hope :) I just cant stand the man.
I think he tells it as it is. Let's face it we've deserved the vast majority of criticisms that have been thrown at us these last 6 years.
I agree I don't think he's Villa hating at all. I also think the personal abuse is a bit much.
What?
I've no problem with Pat Murphy at all.
He tells it as it is and I respect his opinion on most things. Especially the "shitty" way out club has been run in the last 5 years.
Craig Burley on ESPN lays into Lescott
http://es.pn/1NfvLB1
I really never thought I'd see this day to be honest
Down to 1 bloke the way he has run the club, clueless chump. With him still there I don't have much confidence we will come back up. Yes we have new people to advise but will he listen & provide the money to tempt a manager in and buy the players needed for the Championship?...
Same here. Always thought he was a bit dim but fair play, the state of the modern game obviously winds him up as much as it does for many fans.Craig Burley on ESPN lays into Lescott
http://es.pn/1NfvLB1
Craig Burley has gone up in my estimations.
Craig Burley on ESPN lays into Lescott
http://es.pn/1NfvLB1
Get the right man in, give everyone a kick up the arse, clear the club from top to bottom, rebuild and come back stronger.
eGet the right man in, give everyone a kick up the arse, clear the club from top to bottom, rebuild and come back stronger.
And again when I read this, I realise that getting back in one season seems insurmountable right now.
Get the right man in, give everyone a kick up the arse, clear the club from top to bottom, rebuild and come back stronger.
And again when I read this, I realise that getting back in one season seems insurmountable right now.
Craig Burley on ESPN lays into Lescott
http://es.pn/1NfvLB1
Good piece. This line about Lerner, with reference to the Cleveland Browns, should be his epitaph:
“He wasn’t a good owner by any means, but he wasn’t a lucky one, either.”
I thought that was good as well. Lerner has made some poor decisions but my god this club has never caught a break the past few years.
The true problem is that nothing has changed.
We have new board members and we have been lulled into thinking that means things will change for the better. In real terms nothing has changed. We continue to lose games and we continue to outrage the supporters. Improvement may come but there has been nothing different for the last three months than for the last five years.
Houllier came and we said great, things will get better. Houllier left and we said we will get a healthy replacement and things will get better. His replacement was sacked and we said great, things will get better. Lambert got sacked and we said great, things will get better. Sherwood was sacked and we said great, things will get better. Garde was sacked, Fox was sacked, Almstadt was sacked and we all said great, things will get better. Bernstein, King, Bevington and Brian Little came in andcwe said great, things will get better.
But things have not got better. They have got worse.
Now we are saying the games will be much easier next season, great things will get better.
Nothing other than a slap on the wrist for Gabby has happened to correct our decline. We have just been relegated and the only words directed towards the bedrock of the club, the fans, are insults from Lescott and banal rent-a-caretaker platitudes from Eric Black.
I see no positive sign whatsoever that anything has changed or is in the process if being changed with any degree of urgency.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
Now that I have had a few rums to take edge off, I realise how just how bloody gutted I am about out situation.
My missus really needs to dust in here.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
Give me Villa Park than a soulless plastic new stadium anyday.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
Give me Villa Park than a soulless plastic new stadium anyday.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
Give me Villa Park than a soulless plastic new stadium anyday.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
Give me Villa Park than a soulless plastic new stadium anyday.
I agree. What we should have done was upgrade the stadium in the early days of Lerner's reign when there was a feel-good factor at the club. The North Stand should have been rebuilt and we might have attracted even more fans.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
Give me Villa Park than a soulless plastic new stadium anyday.
I agree. What we should have done was upgrade the stadium in the early days of Lerner's reign when there was a feel-good factor at the club. The North Stand should have been rebuilt and we might have attracted even more fans.
The North Stand does need re-doing at some point but I don't we are being left behind by new stadiums at all. It's adequate for where we've been, it's not as if we sell out every week.
Although there is an argument that if the expansion had happened then crowds would have increased with it as they have at other grounds.
Seems a daft thing to be discussing this weekend mind, although that's never stopped us before.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
Give me Villa Park than a soulless plastic new stadium anyday.
I agree. What we should have done was upgrade the stadium in the early days of Lerner's reign when there was a feel-good factor at the club. The North Stand should have been rebuilt and we might have attracted even more fans.
The North Stand does need re-doing at some point but I don't we are being left behind by new stadiums at all. It's adequate for where we've been, it's not as if we sell out every week.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
They'll never compare.
The walk up under the bridge, Burger vans, Aston Park on your left, the Holte Pub comes in to sight, behind it the Holte End and it's steps rising. It's changed a bit down the years but not beyond recognition and it's a walk you've done hundreds of times. Inside the ground, it still has character. It's not an oval named after a mega corp. It's not in the middle of nowhere next to toys r us. You can't nip for a frankie and benni's over the road afterwards. It's a football ground, in the middle of a community the way football was, not a tourist attraction set apart or on a retail park like just another ''business''.
You can't leave behind a ground like Villa Park.
Indeed, brilliantly putAt the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
They'll never compare.
The walk up under the bridge, Burger vans, Aston Park on your left, the Holte Pub comes in to sight, behind it the Holte End and it's steps rising. It's changed a bit down the years but not beyond recognition and it's a walk you've done hundreds of times. Inside the ground, it still has character. It's not an oval named after a mega corp. It's not in the middle of nowhere next to toys r us. You can't nip for a frankie and benni's over the road afterwards. It's a football ground, in the middle of a community the way football was, not a tourist attraction set apart or on a retail park like just another ''business''.
You can't leave behind a ground like Villa Park.
Very well put
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
Give me Villa Park than a soulless plastic new stadium anyday.
I agree. What we should have done was upgrade the stadium in the early days of Lerner's reign when there was a feel-good factor at the club. The North Stand should have been rebuilt and we might have attracted even more fans.
The North Stand does need re-doing at some point but I don't we are being left behind by new stadiums at all. It's adequate for where we've been, it's not as if we sell out every week.
Villa Park has held us back as a Premier League club, just as Goodison has held Everton back. However, as a second tier club we are probably better off not having a breathtaking stadium.
By the time we get back up, ridiculous TV money will have eroded the advantages a well appointed Stadium can offer. So maybe the Ansell principle has finally delivered.
How are we being left behind exactly? Leicester are currently winning the league in a 32k ground. The only team who can realistically catch them are playing in front of a full house of 36k.
How are we being left behind exactly? Leicester are currently winning the league in a 32k ground. The only team who can realistically catch them are playing in front of a full house of 36k.
Well spurs will be 60k soon, Liverpool too. Man city is now 50+. West ham 60k. Aren't Leicester expanding too?
VP is being left behind as one of the traditional big grounds and our average attendance is about tenth in the prem.
Villa are bigger than Leeds, Forest and Wednesday but it could take a couple of years. If a plan for the future is not put into place it may take longer. The club seems to have just lurched from day to day in recent years with no forward planning. No youth policy and no proper transfer policy .
Villa Park has held us back as a Premier League club...What utter, utter bull shit
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
Give me Villa Park than a soulless plastic new stadium anyday.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
Give me Villa Park than a soulless plastic new stadium anyday.
With three of our stands only dating back to the nineties to noughties (and our oldest one only going back to the 70s) Villa Park is pretty plastic now anyway.
The remoddled Holte isn't much different to the bog standard two tier structures at Palace, West Ham, Norwich and elsewhere. But bulldozing the old Trinity for the current shed was the biggest waste. 16 years on, I can say with absolute certainty that it was a price not worth paying. We became a lot less special when we lost that link to our past.
If we had to extend, there was ample space at the North Stand for new designers to get creative. Or bulldoze the Doug Ellis and start again.
Villa Park has held us back as a Premier League club, just as Goodison has held Everton back. However, as a second tier club we are probably better off not having a breathtaking stadium.
By the time we get back up, ridiculous TV money will have eroded the advantages a well appointed Stadium can offer. So maybe the Ansell principle has finally delivered.
How has it held us back? What a strange post.
Got to agree with that .At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
They'll never compare.
The walk up under the bridge, Burger vans, Aston Park on your left, the Holte Pub comes in to sight, behind it the Holte End and it's steps rising. It's changed a bit down the years but not beyond recognition and it's a walk you've done hundreds of times. Inside the ground, it still has character. It's not an oval named after a mega corp. It's not in the middle of nowhere next to toys r us. You can't nip for a frankie and benni's over the road afterwards. It's a football ground, in the middle of a community the way football was, not a tourist attraction set apart or on a retail park like just another ''business''.
You can't leave behind a ground like Villa Park.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
Give me Villa Park than a soulless plastic new stadium anyday.
I agree. What we should have done was upgrade the stadium in the early days of Lerner's reign when there was a feel-good factor at the club. The North Stand should have been rebuilt and we might have attracted even more fans.
Agree totally,but the walk away has been pretty shitty for a while now thoughGot to agree with that .At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
They'll never compare.
The walk up under the bridge, Burger vans, Aston Park on your left, the Holte Pub comes in to sight, behind it the Holte End and it's steps rising. It's changed a bit down the years but not beyond recognition and it's a walk you've done hundreds of times. Inside the ground, it still has character. It's not an oval named after a mega corp. It's not in the middle of nowhere next to toys r us. You can't nip for a frankie and benni's over the road afterwards. It's a football ground, in the middle of a community the way football was, not a tourist attraction set apart or on a retail park like just another ''business''.
You can't leave behind a ground like Villa Park.
There's no better walk up to any football ground than Villa Park coming from Lichfield Rd.
Magnificent!
Villa Park has held us back as a Premier League club, just as Goodison has held Everton back. However, as a second tier club we are probably better off not having a breathtaking stadium.
By the time we get back up, ridiculous TV money will have eroded the advantages a well appointed Stadium can offer. So maybe the Ansell principle has finally delivered.
How has it held us back? What a strange post.
(and others)
It isn't just numbers, it is quality of accommodation. Villa Park has been a limiting factor in both. In the 90's when we had a good team and match income was easily the biggest part of turnover we had a 39,000 capacity stadium that had more obstructed views than any other top flight ground and little more than a modicum of premium seating.
Our average gate with a successful team was only a few thousand more than the average 35 years previously when we were in the Third Division, and they haven't moved much since. Very much against the trend within the top flight and the ground has played a significant part in that.
At the moment the only 2 things that Aston Villa F.C have got that are any good are villa park and the fans. Next season we will still have Villa park and the fans so I will take that as my positive at this moment in time.
I love Villa Park but even that's being left behind what with all these new stadiums going up.
Give me Villa Park than a soulless plastic new stadium anyday.
With three of our stands only dating back to the nineties to noughties (and our oldest one only going back to the 70s) Villa Park is pretty plastic now anyway.
The remoddled Holte isn't much different to the bog standard two tier structures at Palace, West Ham, Norwich and elsewhere. But bulldozing the old Trinity for the current shed was the biggest waste. 16 years on, I can say with absolute certainty that it was a price not worth paying. We became a lot less special when we lost that link to our past.
If we had to extend, there was ample space at the North Stand for new designers to get creative. Or bulldoze the Doug Ellis and start again.
The two-tier structure at Norwich is more akin to Walsall than ourselves. Wasn't the Holte the largest free-standing behind the goal stand in Europe at one point?
And there's nothing plastic about the exterior of the Holte either.
I'd like the corners filled in and the roofs connected.I can think of several things at VP that need filling in
The number of obstructed view seats was massively reduced when the old Trinity went.
I've watched a lot of Championship football this season and while it is a very competitive league, the quality is poor. Blues are crap and have very few goals in their team but have been flirting with the play offs all season, Derby had a bad run again but never dropped out of the play offs, Wolves have been terrible but are still in no danger of relegation. I watched Hull v Wolves on Friday, very poor from both teams yet Hull are challenging for automatic promotion. I'm not saying we're going to walk the league but if we get the right manager in and the right group of players who have a bit of quality, and more importantly fight, we should do alright. Ashley Westwood is scared of his own shadow, we need someone in there who can put their foot in and be nasty when needed.
How are we being left behind exactly? Leicester are currently winning the league in a 32k ground. The only team who can realistically catch them are playing in front of a full house of 36k.
Well spurs will be 60k soon, Liverpool too. Man city is now 50+. West ham 60k. Aren't Leicester expanding too?
VP is being left behind as one of the traditional big grounds and our average attendance is about tenth in the prem.
Even when we've been doing well, we've very rarely sold out Villa Park, so what good would expanding to 50,000+ do?
Something I'd add that I think gets looked over is style.I think our crowds suffer from 2-3 things
Spurs and Man City have both signed players with a bit of skill, put bums on seats, entertainers, they're generally thought of as attractive sides, not just now but for a while.
We're seen as dour. We sign hard working English players like Milner or your Heskey. There's very few times I can think of when we've signed what are universally considered attractive players who people want to watch. How many new fans do we pick up when we are doing well? Very few I'd say, maybe something to do with the players we sign and the football we've played?
I've watched a lot of Championship football this season and while it is a very competitive league, the quality is poor. Blues are crap and have very few goals in their team but have been flirting with the play offs all season, Derby had a bad run again but never dropped out of the play offs, Wolves have been terrible but are still in no danger of relegation. I watched Hull v Wolves on Friday, very poor from both teams yet Hull are challenging for automatic promotion. I'm not saying we're going to walk the league but if we get the right manager in and the right group of players who have a bit of quality, and more importantly fight, we should do alright. Ashley Westwood is scared of his own shadow, we need someone in there who can put their foot in and be nasty when needed.
Agree with this I watched hull and it was desperate
New single tier Holte of 22k please.
Pat Murphy's had his say, and while it's mostly sensible he does say that the players he'd keep include Clark, who he'd make captain, Rudy Gestede, and Ashley fucking Westwood. He wouldn't keep Veretout or Adama Traore, it seems. I'm expecting more of this kind of nativism, the idea that our failure is down to soft-wristed foreigners and that we need more British Blokes.
The number of obstructed view seats was massively reduced when the old Trinity went.
Yes, but the old stand didn't have to be completely gutted to achieve that.
Rangers were able to add a new roof and a new tier to their not dissimilar Bill Struth Main Stand, keeping the red brick facade and much of the character of the old stand.
That wouldn't have been without its problems -it might have even cost more than the final bill for the current carbuncle. But some things require a bit more effort and consideration.
Pat Murphy's had his say, and while it's mostly sensible he does say that the players he'd keep include Clark, who he'd make captain, Rudy Gestede, and Ashley fucking Westwood. He wouldn't keep Veretout or Adama Traore, it seems. I'm expecting more of this kind of nativism, the idea that our failure is down to soft-wristed foreigners and that we need more British Blokes.
Ray Houghton said the same on Talksport this morning, said Westwood would be a good player in the championship and he also said positive things about Clark although he does generally perform well for Ireland.
At a push I would keep players like Clark, Gestede, Hutton and Baker as back up, it is 46 games after all but we won't be getting automatic promotion if those are week in week out starters for us.
After Bradford, the Taylor report and everything else, I doubt very much any stand in the top flight could have survived until 2000 were that actually the case.
One thing I worry about is we're talking about Baker, Gardner and Steer coming back to the club and doing a job. They currently play for the 16th, 17th and 19th best teams in the division. Bristol City in particular appear to be terrible at the back.
The three wise men? Fred Rinder?
Forgive me, but if it is anyone connected to the club in the past 20 years, I might be a tad cynical.
What was the £2-3 million spent on in 1992?
I blame the architectural community at the time. It was riddled with middle class snobbery. If Villa Park had been a theatre or a railway station or law courts there would have been a nationwide outcry at the loss of part of our Victorian architectural history. But it was only a football ground populated by the great unwashed who kept coal in the bath.
History has shown that you can demolish practically any building in Birmingham and get little more than a few shrugged shoulders in response. That's what we do here.
After Bradford, the Taylor report and everything else, I doubt very much any stand in the top flight could have survived until 2000 were that actually the case.
That's what I was told by those who know a bit about these things.
I blame the architectural community at the time. It was riddled with middle class snobbery. If Villa Park had been a theatre or a railway station or law courts there would have been a nationwide outcry at the loss of part of our Victorian architectural history. But it was only a football ground populated by the great unwashed who kept coal in the bath.Sweeping generalisation (which I'm not suggesting is a problem on an Internet forum). It's not the architectural community who would be to blame for this, it's the conservationist community. If there is one city in the UK that has done most to obliterate its cultural heritage, it's Birmingham (my own sweeping generalisation!).
The problem they had with the new stand is the lack of space to do anything impressive from the outside, as it goes over the road. Perhaps towards the north stand they could have included some red brick design as they have with the back of the Holte. Perhaps they still could, its all for show and wouldn't be structural.
I'd like the corners filled in and the roofs connected.I'm very firmly of the opinion that Villa Park should remain a ground with four legibly separate stands, rather than a stadium with connected stands. This doesn't mean that they shouldn't relate or coordinate with one another, or that piecemeal re-development is good.
Naturally I am biased, but the original frontage was the best entrance to a club ground in British football, and probably one of the best in world football. I went to the Switzerland v Holland game at Villa Park in 1996, and there were loads of Dutch and Swiss fans taking pictures outside it. Supporters of other clubs who I would bring over from time to time would always comment on it.
The current set-up looks like a slightly bigger version of the BT Cellnet (or whatever Boro are calling their ground now, or the Stadium of Light, or the hundreds of other dull, indentikit main stands.
It wasn't just the entrance either, the gable and the ornate panelling between the enclosure and the upper tier are all things that should have been retained (or replicated as best as possible).
But then the original stand was commissioned at a time when the mindset was only the best is good enough for Aston Villa. The new Trinity is the embodiment of the 'That'll do' mindset that blights the club and the country at large.
But then the original stand was commissioned at a time when the mindset was only the best is good enough for Aston Villa. The new Trinity is the embodiment of the 'That'll do' mindset that blights the club and the country at large.
But then the original stand was commissioned at a time when the mindset was only the best is good enough for Aston Villa. The new Trinity is the embodiment of the 'That'll do' mindset that blights the club and the country at large.
Doug was most interested in the fact that it was construction-managed in-house by the club, which saved a few quid. The lack of a coordinated redevelopment plan for the three sides of the ground that were re-built within a ten year period in the 90s is incredibly frustrating. Other big clubs such as Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea have all appointed well-regarded architects with good stadium expertise. Doug tried to do it all on the cheap, and frankly it shows.
The Holte and Witton Lane don't jar too badly and thankfully don't try to complement the North Stand which is just a child of the 70's, but the Trinity just looks tacky from the outside.But then the original stand was commissioned at a time when the mindset was only the best is good enough for Aston Villa. The new Trinity is the embodiment of the 'That'll do' mindset that blights the club and the country at large.
Doug was most interested in the fact that it was construction-managed in-house by the club, which saved a few quid. The lack of a coordinated redevelopment plan for the three sides of the ground that were re-built within a ten year period in the 90s is incredibly frustrating. Other big clubs such as Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea have all appointed well-regarded architects with good stadium expertise. Doug tried to do it all on the cheap, and frankly it shows.
Naturally I am biased, but the original frontage was the best entrance to a club ground in British football, and probably one of the best in world football.
Spare a thought for Lewis Kinsella. Relegated with 2 clubs on the same day.
https://twitter.com/Lewis_kinsella/status/721407922757115909
Not sure if anyone's seen this. Midlands Today 1987.
Take a look at @bbcmtd's Tweet: https://twitter.com/bbcmtd/status/721945296465334272?s=09
For all of his faults, at least Ellis had the balls to talk in front of the cameras.
So it begins
http://talksport.com/football/aly-cissokho-set-start-aston-villa-exodus-after-relegation-making-besiktas-switch
No love lost there
So it begins
http://talksport.com/football/aly-cissokho-set-start-aston-villa-exodus-after-relegation-making-besiktas-switch
No love lost there
So it begins
http://talksport.com/football/aly-cissokho-set-start-aston-villa-exodus-after-relegation-making-besiktas-switch
No love lost there
He is one of the few who's desire I've never questioned (unlike his ability), good luck to him.
He is one of the few who's desire I've never questioned (unlike his ability), good luck to him.Exactly my thoughts could never question his effort just a shame he never really backed himself to take on a player or get a shot in once he came across the half way line. We've had worse Left backs.