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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: frank black on April 11, 2016, 07:22:38 PM
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Looks like the staff have been informed:
Aston Villa Football Club can confirm it has updated all staff on the proposed changes to the Club structure in order to put it back on a firm footing.
These changes will result in a headcount reduction but every effort will be made through a voluntary scheme, to mitigate as much as is possible, the need for compulsory redundancies.
The objective is to secure a sound financial platform from which the Club can rebuild for the benefit of the fans, staff and sponsors.
We recognise this is an extremely difficult time for all staff and the Club will offer support to all staff affected.
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Maybe the £80k on the new badge should have been better spent
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Having just been made redundant myself ( not the Villa), my best wishes to those affected and I hope you find a new job soon.
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Are they allowed to make several of the playing staff redundant??
Oh no sorry I forgot the whole squad has been redundant since last August, only the club hasn't noticed and continued to pay their wages.
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Getting relegated is one thing, but to do so giving the impression that you don't give a shit is unforgivable. I wonder if any of our players feel any guilt this evening?
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Getting relegated is one thing, but to do so giving the impression that you don't give a shit is unforgivable. I wonder if any of our players feel any guilt this evening?
I'd like to bet they don't.
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Maybe the £80k on the new badge should have been better spent
They started the badge stuff in the summer.
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Link (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5488490,00.html)
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Every player should forfeit a weeks wage to contribute for the severance pay out.
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Having just been made redundant myself ( not the Villa), my best wishes to those affected and I hope you find a new job soon.
Echo that.
I'm going to join in the booing of certain players.
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Shameful really, but it's been coming for years and now finally the reality is hitting those who don't deserve it the hardest.
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Whilst I understand that we have to shape the size of the whole club to reflect revenue streams next season, how much money can we be talking about saving by hacking away at the back office staff. Let's assume 50 people go earning £20k each then that's £1m. A sizeable chunk?, not if we make a mistake in player recruitment in the summer and spunk that on a fee for a middling player who doesn't get picked.
Would never want people to lose their jobs in this situation, are we suggesting the scale of demand at Villa will drop significantly? I would say it won't and Villa will still have to service 30k on average (and for 4 more games). If the back office function was broken and needed restructuring fair enough but this would suggest piddling savings in a Cameron-esque race to the bottom
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Shameful really, but it's been coming for years and now finally the reality is hitting those who don't deserve it the hardest.
Are we talking about the Villa or the government?
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Shameful really, but it's been coming for years and now finally the reality is hitting those who don't deserve it the hardest.
Are we talking about the Villa or the government?
Hmmm, scarily similar. Clueless leader who inherited all from Daddy and makes decisions on the whim that baffle all but his inner circle
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Just think what we've spent on dispensing with the hopeless Sherwood and Garde this season.
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Every player should forfeit a weeks wage to contribute for the severance pay out.
Fantastic idea
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Reading this makes the reality of this mess hit home. There's staff at Villa Park and Bodymoor who've likely worked there for 20-30 years and now face a really traumatic time.
Maybe the players will realize this and feel a pang of guilt, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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When my job was made redundant at the start of March, it was amongst the worst kicks in the bollocks I've experienced. My heart goes out to the staff at Villa Park, having their undeserved misfortune broadcast to the planet.
Aston Villa FC are a shameful, umitigated disaster. To think, some fans felt sorry for players getting booed on Saturday. The whole lot of them are a disgrace and deserve nothing but our contempt. Especially Agbonlahor, Bacuna and Micah 'useless' Richards. Ship these twats out post haste.
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This is another reason why this is a bit more than just something that happens to teams, and this time it's our turn. It's a massively irresponsible dereliction of duty that affects people's lives.
And one Charles N'Zogbia could pay for all it all.
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Maybe some of these redundancies should have taken place over time. It's entirely possible that we are overstaffed in certain areas but the impact of having this happen all at once at a time of relegation makes this news all the more disappointing. It's difficult to separate the business of football and the business of running a football club and it's always going to look massively lopsided comparing job losses to what N'Zogbia makes in a week. An frankly even if removed his salary and Gabby's, the need to make ourselves more efficient could be required. It's not like if you sold them it would automatically guarantee these cuts wouldn't happen.
As a club we need to be better everywhere. And that very much includes the way we spend money on players, and it would certainly help not having to fire managers/executives every few months. I hope that this is what Hollis is fixing as part of all of his long term planning.
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My sympathy is with those people facing redundancy. I've been there and it's horrible. Good luck to them.
On a side note I'm curious to know what areas they're referring to.
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With a little luck the idiot who was responsible for the recruitment of this shower of shit is top of the list
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It's crap and many/most almost certainly don't deserve losing their jobs and I hope those losing their jobs find work soon as possible. But to be realistic, unfortunately it happens when a club is relegated. Players will continue to 'earn' obscene amounts while staff that actually work hard and do earn their wages are let go to save small amounts compared to what a player earns.
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Given an insolvency practitioner was made Chairman this was always going to happen. Still doesn't make it any better, especially when we have so many jokers on the playing staff cheating a living out of the Villa.
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My sympathy is with those people facing redundancy. I've been there and it's horrible. Good luck to them.
On a side note I'm curious to know what areas they're referring to.
Purely guessing but i'd have thought it will be things like ticket office, hospitality/corporate staff, match day staff. Basically any area that will be affected by less people going to VP next season.
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Absolutely shameful. I can't defend it in any way, This isn't my club any more.
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The culprits walk free.
I genuinely dislike our players and the havoc their lack of professionalism has wrought
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Absolutely shameful. I can't defend it in any way, This isn't my club any more.
Do job cuts not take place in any other walk of life? In any other industry or business? I understand that the news is never good and that it's entirely understandable to sympathize with those being affected but your statement seems rather melodramatic. Is this the first time people have lost jobs at the club?
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Shame but it needs to be done. Next sort out the players.
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My sympathy is with those people facing redundancy. I've been there and it's horrible. Good luck to them.
On a side note I'm curious to know what areas they're referring to.
Hopefully goal, defence, midfield & attack.
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Absolutely shameful. I can't defend it in any way, This isn't my club any more.
Do job cuts not take place in any other walk of life? In any other industry or business? I understand that the news is never good and that it's entirely understandable to sympathize with those being affected but your statement seems rather melodramatic. Is this the first time people have lost jobs at the club?
They're losing their jobs as a result of total mismanagement by the board, huge pay-offs to incompetent managers, and the flailing efforts of overpaid footballers. Job cuts, usually labelled "economies", do take place in every other walk of life, and it's never to the betterment of anything except the owners/shareholders.
Football clubs depend on the loyalty of their fans, and that loyalty is traditionally unconditional. But when the clubs start behaving like "brands" or like "corporations" they deserve nothing. You can excuse poor performances on the pitch, because it's sport (supposedly) and that happens. What you cannot excuse is your club - that you've reserved that special place in your heart for - acting like every other fucking thing that should be despised in the world.
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Absolutely shameful. I can't defend it in any way, This isn't my club any more.
Do job cuts not take place in any other walk of life? In any other industry or business? I understand that the news is never good and that it's entirely understandable to sympathize with those being affected but your statement seems rather melodramatic. Is this the first time people have lost jobs at the club?
Yes of course you are correct about the business side of it.
But, this is a highly emotive topic and people are understandably upset and sympathetic to those affected. When you factor in people from the board to the management and players who have failed hard working staff and supporters so miserably, I have no problem at all with those who want to vent their spleen.
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Is there a law that defines and differentiates players as "not staff"?
If not, sack every slacker mentioned on here, every last fkn one of them!
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I've been there myself and it is pretty unpleasant to go through so whatever happens, I hope the unlucky one's sort themselves out.
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How many venting their spleen laughed and celebrated Newcastle going down, various sha/bitters relegations and so on? All those resulted in job losses,with the latter two involving fellow Brummies losing their jobs. Or is it only an issue when it's Villa staff?
It's shit that normal hard working staff lose their jobs when a club gets relegated, especially as the majority of players just carry on earning a fortune but it's football, and has been for a long time.
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Is there a law that defines and differentiates players as "not staff"?
If not, sack every slacker mentioned on here, every last fkn one of them!
The players will have fixed term contracts and the staff won't. Actually I wonder if you could try it, we are going down so don't need a chubby back up striker with a poor attendance and performance record. The role is redundant.
Worth a try?
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Is there a law that defines and differentiates players as "not staff"?
If not, sack every slacker mentioned on here, every last fkn one of them!
Probably completely wrong, but isn't it the position or role that is made redundant and not the person? Can't exactly make a goalkeeping position redundant, for example. Although We'd probably do better with nobody in goal than having Guzan spooking the defence.
A real shame that people are losing their jobs. Probably Villa people as well, the sort that will probably still be watching us long after the life-sucking players have fucked off with their millions
Edit, looks like PW posted something similar and funnier above at the same time.
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Given an insolvency practitioner was made Chairman this was always going to happen. Still doesn't make it any better, especially when we have so many jokers on the playing staff cheating a living out of the Villa.
I know that Hollis was high up at KPMG and worked in restructuring but was/is he actually an IP?
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To think that we paid that jerk Fox £1.25M per year.
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Which of the players will turn up for training tomorrow in their brand new, top of the range car tomorrow do you reckon? My money is on Agbonlahor, he's thick enough to do it.
Michael Gray decided the week Sunderland announced redundancies that it was a good time to turn up for training in his brand new Porsche.
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The leeches that play for our club should hang their heads in shame, we all know who these guys are. I went through a reduncy seven years ago, it's shit, I feel for those involved. Enjoy your lavish, vacuous lifestyles you overpaid pampered pricks. They should be made see that their actions have reactions in the real world. But I reckon they are too self absorbed to give any regard to the minions that do the invisible work at our club.
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To go from a stable position as an established top-flight club, to the unmitigated disaster that we have become, isn't some routine fact of business. It's gross mismanagement. That's why revenue is set to drop massively, why people are losing their jobs and why people are rightfully angry. The people in charge of the club have pissed it all away, not just through sheer incompetence and stupidity, but through sheer neglect as well.
Even in the corporate environment that football now is, 'big' clubs like Villa are more than just businesses, they're institutions that serve a community. The payback from that community as 'customers' is loyalty. The club has massively failed that community.
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Inevitablility of it all accepted it's still an absolutely fcukin shit time to be a Villa fan at the moment. There's just nothing positive coming out.
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Is there a law that defines and differentiates players as "not staff"?
If not, sack every slacker mentioned on here, every last fkn one of them!
The players will have fixed term contracts and the staff won't. Actually I wonder if you could try it, we are going down so don't need a chubby back up striker with a poor attendance and performance record. The role is redundant.
Worth a try?
All of our players were signed as Premier League players, and as because due to their ineptitude we will no longer hold that status their positions are redundant and they should reapply for the new roles.
I think the cost of releasing players that nobody wanted out of this squad would outweigh any profits made from actual sales.
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Maybe the £80k on the new badge should have been better spent
They started the badge stuff in the summer.
I haven't even read the rest of the thread but this?
Oh come on! Seriously? Do we always have to side with the powers that be at the club?
Why are people making a fuss about the Panama stuff? it won't make any difference to anybody but it still doesn't make it right. Why not turn the other cheek seeing as it was out of our hands!
It's the symbolism. It's the unfairness it represents. We can afford to faff about with a word on our logo but not keep on however many poorly paid employees would earn £80,000 in a year. Could we have pulled the plug on the stupid badge changes when we knew we were in trouble early this season in October? I am sue we could.
Also the point about laughing at Newcastle when they went down is so bloody irrelevant. We are talking about Aston Villa in 2016 wasting money left right and centre, having an incompetent team on the pitch and making so many employees, who bear no responsibility fo our plight, redundant.
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It must seem a tad David Brent insensitive to those losing their jobs.
"We've got good news and bad. Good news is we've got a new badge........."
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Best of luck in the future to all of those affected...was made redundant myself a year ago and had never felt so low. The thought of being made redundant however, because of the actions of spoilt, useless, uncaring, lazy, prima donnas who should be honoured to wear that shirt, is truly despicable. I get cost-cutting and all that, but are the staff involved's yearly wages really gonna make a difference to our plans in getting back up?
Agbonlahor and co's antics abroad, Lescott's penchant for 100k cars, Richards on-field sulking, Bacunas's rightful place in the Champions League, that f**ker N'Zogbia, etc...and now this. Truly a season of shame for the shameless.
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Can one of our legal folks explain why we can't make players redundant, is it just because the salary they steal off us means they can afford very expensive lawyers?
I get that we'd find it very hard to attract players again if we were to do it but I'd be interested in reading if, legally at least, we could do it?
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Maybe the £80k on the new badge should have been better spent
They started the badge stuff in the summer.
I haven't even read the rest of the thread but this?
Oh come on! Seriously? Do we always have to side with the powers that be at the club?
Why are people making a fuss about the Panama stuff? it won't make any difference to anybody but it still doesn't make it right. Why not turn the other cheek seeing as it was out of our hands!
It's the symbolism. It's the unfairness it represents. We can afford to faff about with a word on our logo but not keep on however many poorly paid employees would earn £80,000 in a year. Could we have pulled the plug on the stupid badge changes when we knew we were in trouble early this season in October? I am sue we could.
Also the point about laughing at Newcastle when they went down is so bloody irrelevant. We are talking about Aston Villa in 2016 wasting money left right and centre, having an incompetent team on the pitch and making so many employees, who bear no responsibility fo our plight, redundant.
Perhaps you could say where "we" (whoever that might be) are always siding with anyone, least of all when it comes from stating a fact?
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Maybe the £80k on the new badge should have been better spent
They started the badge stuff in the summer.
I haven't even read the rest of the thread but this?
Oh come on! Seriously? Do we always have to side with the powers that be at the club?
Why are people making a fuss about the Panama stuff? it won't make any difference to anybody but it still doesn't make it right. Why not turn the other cheek seeing as it was out of our hands!
It's the symbolism. It's the unfairness it represents. We can afford to faff about with a word on our logo but not keep on however many poorly paid employees would earn £80,000 in a year. Could we have pulled the plug on the stupid badge changes when we knew we were in trouble early this season in October? I am sue we could.
Also the point about laughing at Newcastle when they went down is so bloody irrelevant. We are talking about Aston Villa in 2016 wasting money left right and centre, having an incompetent team on the pitch and making so many employees, who bear no responsibility fo our plight, redundant.
If you didn't read the rest of the tread how did you know I said anything about Newcastle?
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No doubt those staff that will lose their jobs over the coming weeks and months are the ones who actually 'care' about the club more than anyone else employed by the club.
By that, I mean the tossers who represent Aston Villa on the pitch.
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Take Burnley from last season. They may well have had to make redundancies after relegation but only after their management and players tried their hardest to stay in the EPL.
Our management from Lerner down and our players have not tried to save us from relegation, but yet honest hardworking staff have to pay with their jobs. That is grossly unfair.
Any present cuts should start with Reilly, nzogbia and the dross that have contributed to our relegation on the pitch (reduced wages in the championship is not enough in making these so-called players accountable)
The club needs to be seen to be doing something about these suckers. If they don't then the planned redundancies will further fracture the relationship between fans and players and any hopes we may have of a quick return to the EPL will vanish.
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Maybe an act of solidarity from the fans towards the staff made redundant at the next home match would be worthwhile? Some more humiliation for the jokers that have got us into this mess.
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At some point in the future some of these players will be on TV or in the papers as pundits criticising newer Villa players, I hope we all remember this day when their couldn't be arsed attitude has led to decent people losing their livelihoods through no fault of their own. And remind them of it over and over again.
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Can one of our legal folks explain why we can't make players redundant, is it just because the salary they steal off us means they can afford very expensive lawyers?
I get that we'd find it very hard to attract players again if we were to do it but I'd be interested in reading if, legally at least, we could do it?
As said above, people are not made redundant - it's the role or position on the organisational chart that is removed and therefore the people are laid off unless they are found to be suitable for other posts.
I realise in reality it is not often quite that clear cut and that redundancy is used as a means to offload people that are no longer wanted in an organisation.
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Take Burnley from last season. They may well have had to make redundancies after relegation but only after their management and players tried their hardest to stay in the EPL.
Our management from Lerner down and our players have not tried to save us from relegation, but yet honest hardworking staff have to pay with their jobs. That is grossly unfair.
Any present cuts should start with Reilly, nzogbia and the dross that have contributed to our relegation on the pitch (reduced wages in the championship is not enough in making these so-called players accountable)
The club needs to be seen to be doing something about these suckers. If they don't then the planned redundancies will further fracture the relationship between fans and players and any hopes we may have of a quick return to the EPL will vanish.
The law is stacked in their favour though. Can't make them redundant. Can't fine them without the PFA getting involved. Can't sack them for gross misconduct.
So while I think most people would agree with your sentiments, reality is that there is very little that the club can do about the players other than try their best to sell them or pay up their contracts.
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Can one of our legal folks explain why we can't make players redundant, is it just because the salary they steal off us means they can afford very expensive lawyers?
I get that we'd find it very hard to attract players again if we were to do it but I'd be interested in reading if, legally at least, we could do it?
As said above, people are not made redundant - it's the role or position on the organisational chart that is removed and therefore the people are laid off unless they are found to be suitable for other posts.
I realise in reality it is not often quite that clear cut and that redundancy is used as a means to offload people that are no longer wanted in an organisation.
reserve keeper, reserve defenders, reserve midfielders, reserve striker, SORTED
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So what, at least hypothetically, is stopping us saying that we are not planning on playing a system in which a certain player is useful, so that role, and hence the player, is redundant?
Is there any precedent?
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joke
pay worthless players years wages of over £60k per week, sack £7.20 p/h employee
yep that's the villa way.
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This may have happened anyway.
We're shit in pretty much every area and the timing will enable is to bottom out and start again..
It's horrendous for those involved and see am unfair but it's got to happen.
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joke
pay worthless players years wages of over £60k per week, sack £7.20 p/h employee
yep that's the villa way.
No, that's the football way.
Which doesn't make it any less reprehensible, but to suggest we're somehow unique in the above sorry state of affairs is wide of the mark.
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The problem with sacking players is that their contracts are for fixed terms rather than terminable on notice so unless you are dismissing them for gross misconduct you would have to pay up the remainder of their contract. If you're going to have to pay them you may as well play them or retain them for their resale value (if any!)
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It's horrendous for those involved and see am unfair but it's got to happen.
Agree with this, the blame can be spread far and wide but we are where we are and the cost cutting needs to happen if we are to come out the other side.
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Oh come on! Seriously? Do we always have to side with the powers that be at the club?
i don't see how anyone could possibly read any more than a few pages of this site and deduce that "we always have to side with the powers that be at the club".
Who is the "we" you are referring to?
If it is "the posters" then that's ridiculous.
If it is "the moderators" (and I suspect that's what you mean), then I think you'd struggle to suggest I "always side with the powers that be" based on my posting history. Similarly other moderators, too.
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I can see that we have to cut costs, but one bad move in the transfer market, as has happened more often than not, and all the cost cutting will be undone. I wonder what the pay offs to Sherwood and Garde will be.
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Very sad that ordinary people will lose their jobs because of bone-idle footballers and incompetent (ex-)board members who are rewarded massively.
Shithouses to a man.
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This will likely be coming off the back of the review as we are hopelessly disorganised behind the scenes. For example, we retain a match day staff that caters for 40k a week through the doors, rather than say 25k and bring in additions as needed.
I feel very sorry for anyone who finds themselves jobless but some cuts are likely needed.
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Maybe an act of solidarity from the fans towards the staff made redundant at the next home match would be worthwhile? Some more humiliation for the jokers that have got us into this mess.
I was thinking this too - would be a great idea.
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The problem with sacking players is that their contracts are for fixed terms rather than terminable on notice so unless you are dismissing them for gross misconduct you would have to pay up the remainder of their contract. If you're going to have to pay them you may as well play them or retain them for their resale value (if any!)
This is a great explanation. I would also add that the players are actually like buying a piece of plant or machinery rather than a person in business parlance (imagine Gabby as a Fridge :) ). The cost is accounted for in amortisation and it depreciates over the length of the contract. In fact most clubs buy players to not only receive the benefit that piece of "kit" provides in the short term but also to hopefully increase in value when you sell.
The only time a contract is terminated is through gross misconduct which in todays terms means a breaking of a criminal law (Adam Johnson / drugs use etc)
Another thing is that the majority of employees in a normal business with have a generic, standard contract and condition of employment. Each player will have a contract customised (usually by agents and lawyers) to their own needs, there would be very little the club puts in as conditions, although I would assume and hope that relegation has been central to any players we have taken on over the last 5 years.
I heard today that Shelvy at Newcastle has a contract for 4 years on £80K per week with NO clause - OMG
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To be fair, alot of the holte end match day catering staff will be able to go straight into new employment as extras on the walking dead.
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The only time a contract is terminated is through gross misconduct which in todays terms means a breaking of a criminal law (Adam Johnson / drugs use etc)
Another thing is that the majority of employees in a normal business with have a generic, standard contract and condition of employment. Each player will have a contract customised (usually by agents and lawyers) to their own needs, there would be very little the club puts in as conditions, although I would assume and hope that relegation has been central to any players we have taken on over the last 5 years.
Probably not even in breaking the law in some cases - if you think about the number of drink-driving cases that crop up from time to time. When Dennis Wise (appreciate we're going quite far back now) was sentenced to prison time, all that happened was he was temporarily stripped of the Chelsea captaincy.
The requirements in a player's contract term tend to be mainly around being available when the club wants them to be - training, matches, commercial appearances etc. There's very little about expectations in terms of performance or ability.
Relegation-related wage reductions are in there (at least according to Chelt's conversation with Tom Fox about it).
Reading between the lines, I'd guess that the newer long-term contracts for the likes of Bacuna/Westwood/Gabby/Baker etc were probably to add clauses to theirs. i.e there weren't any relegation reductions in their previous ones, so they were given the security of a longer contract but the club was given the security of knowing their wages were more sustainable in the event of a drop in income.
But that's just wild speculation on my part.
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And if the club did do that then fair play to them having the foresight to do so - even if it seems unpalatable that dross like that had contract extensions
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Very sad that ordinary people will lose their jobs because of bone-idle footballers and incompetent (ex-)board members who are rewarded massively.
Shithouses to a man.
Indeed. Oh, and don't forget the billionaire uber-shithouser who continues to do the parcel-shelf-nodding-mutt-routine - as he continues with the toy he wanted: but wants rid (with a hefty price hike) after he completely smashed it to pieces. It's a shame the club aren't getting a hefty pay-off for dropping out the league, otherwise these poor folk about to be given the elbow might be able to keep their minimum wage jobs...
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If your Restaurant is serving lousy food, would you sack the Cashier / Bookkeeper / Dishwasher etc ?........or the culpable Chef(s) ?......Godzvilla!
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If your Restaurant is serving lousy food, would you sack the Cashier / Bookkeeper / Dishwasher etc ?........or the culpable Chef(s) ?......Godzvilla!
Obviously the chef. But there again, they wouldn't be on the very specific contracts footballers are so it would be legally possible.
If your restaurant experienced a drop in people coming into it, would you employ so many waiters/waitresses?
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I can see that we have to cut costs, but one bad move in the transfer market, as has happened more often than not, and all the cost cutting will be undone. I wonder what the pay offs to Sherwood and Garde will be.
Don't forget Fox's payoff!
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wouldnt it be great if the players made a gesture in offering to subsidize the cut backs on for one season to see if they could get us back in the Premiership.
meanwhile back on planet earth .....
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wouldnt it be great if the players made a gesture in offering to subsidize the cut backs on for one season to see if they could get us back in the Premiership.
meanwhile back on planet earth .....
Its completely possible that the club are using the relegation as a chance to streamline the club and get rid of the people who have either evolved jobs that are not cost effective or really necessary anymore or people that are simply not good enough. Its not nice to see people lose their jobs but the world will keep on turning and people will get new jobs.
sad but true
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If your Restaurant is serving lousy food, would you sack the Cashier / Bookkeeper / Dishwasher etc ?........or the culpable Chef(s) ?......Godzvilla!
Obviously the chef. But there again, they wouldn't be on the very specific contracts footballers are so it would be legally possible.
If your restaurant experienced a drop in people coming into it, would you employ so many waiters/waitresses?
Fair point, SheffieldVillain, I deliberately did not use Waiters/ Waitresses in my analogy because there really are no comparatives in a Football Club ( or are there ?), so perhaps my analogy was poorly chosen That said, there are a lot of French Chef“s !!............Godzvilla!
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If your Restaurant is serving lousy food, would you sack the Cashier / Bookkeeper / Dishwasher etc ?........or the culpable Chef(s) ?......Godzvilla!
Obviously the chef. But there again, they wouldn't be on the very specific contracts footballers are so it would be legally possible.
If your restaurant experienced a drop in people coming into it, would you employ so many waiters/waitresses?
Fair point, SheffieldVillain, I deliberately did not use Waiters/ Waitresses in my analogy because there really are no comparatives in a Football Club ( or are there ?), so perhaps my analogy was poorly chosen That said, there are a lot of French Chef“s !!............Godzvilla!
Matchday hospitality staff probably the nearest equivalent?
If our players were chefs, it'd mostly be microwave food.
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This will likely be coming off the back of the review as we are hopelessly disorganised behind the scenes. For example, we retain a match day staff that caters for 40k a week through the doors, rather than say 25k and bring in additions as needed.
I feel very sorry for anyone who finds themselves jobless but some cuts are likely needed.
That's madness. Do we not have an operations manager?
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If your Restaurant is serving lousy food, would you sack the Cashier / Bookkeeper / Dishwasher etc ?........or the culpable Chef(s) ?......Godzvilla!
Obviously the chef. But there again, they wouldn't be on the very specific contracts footballers are so it would be legally possible.
If your restaurant experienced a drop in people coming into it, would you employ so many waiters/waitresses?
Fair point, SheffieldVillain, I deliberately did not use Waiters/ Waitresses in my analogy because there really are no comparatives in a Football Club ( or are there ?), so perhaps my analogy was poorly chosen That said, there are a lot of French Chef“s !!............Godzvilla!
Matchday hospitality staff probably the nearest equivalent?
If our players were chefs, it'd mostly be microwave food.
It wouldn't, it would be cold.
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This will likely be coming off the back of the review as we are hopelessly disorganised behind the scenes. For example, we retain a match day staff that caters for 40k a week through the doors, rather than say 25k and bring in additions as needed.
I feel very sorry for anyone who finds themselves jobless but some cuts are likely needed.
Matchday staff numbers are organised around the predicted attendance. However the club is useless at this. My son has a very good job in organising catering at large events. He doesn't get to VP so often these days but we went to the Burnley game last season. I think the crowd was around 40k? He was both gobsmacked and appalled at the organisation. With the 2nd half kick off approaching the queues were still massive. People were giving up and going back to their seats with their cash still in their pockets instead of the tills.He took pictures of this chaos to share with his bosses. He contacted the club using his job title and shared his thoughts and offered constructive advice. He never received a reply.......meanwhile staff are losing their jobs at the club. A disgraceful situation in my humble opinion.
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This will likely be coming off the back of the review as we are hopelessly disorganised behind the scenes. For example, we retain a match day staff that caters for 40k a week through the doors, rather than say 25k and bring in additions as needed.
I feel very sorry for anyone who finds themselves jobless but some cuts are likely needed.
That's madness. Do we not have an operations manager?
I'm guessing they made him, erm... redundant.
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It should a job for Lee Preece but the flavour I get is that this is a decision reached above his head. I could make your hair curl with some of the half arsed stuff happened on Faulkner's watch.
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This sums up our club for me. The people being made redundant will almost certainly be lifelong Villa fans who would give everything for the club they love. From top to bottom we will be left with people who couldn't care less about Villa with the possible exception of Brian Little. This is no more evident than the playing staff. It's a pity we can't sack at least six of them.
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This will likely be coming off the back of the review as we are hopelessly disorganised behind the scenes. For example, we retain a match day staff that caters for 40k a week through the doors, rather than say 25k and bring in additions as needed.
I feel very sorry for anyone who finds themselves jobless but some cuts are likely needed.
Matchday staff numbers are organised around the predicted attendance. However the club is useless at this. My son has a very good job in organising catering at large events. He doesn't get to VP so often these days but we went to the Burnley game last season. I think the crowd was around 40k? He was both gobsmacked and appalled at the organisation. With the 2nd half kick off approaching the queues were still massive. People were giving up and going back to their seats with their cash still in their pockets instead of the tills.He took pictures of this chaos to share with his bosses. He contacted the club using his job title and shared his thoughts and offered constructive advice. He never received a reply.......meanwhile staff are losing their jobs at the club. A disgraceful situation in my humble opinion.
to be honest its been like that for at least 15 years
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Is there a law that defines and differentiates players as "not staff"?
If not, sack every slacker mentioned on here, every last fkn one of them!
There are people on H&V who are much better informed than me on this but Villa have basically 3 types of employees.
1. Fixed term contracts (mainly players, Manager etc) Their contact can be cancelled but for very few reasons. Normally to dismiss them contract has to be paid up.
2. Permanent employees. Covered by the Employment law and other normal conditions of employment. Can be made redundant if Employers business situation changes.
3. Agency staff. Short term and normally on 30 days notice.
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It's the same in every industry. It's never the top employees that suffer, even though they're the ones that fucked up. You can't run a football club without footballers, you can't run a bank without bankers and you can't run a restaurant without chefs. Everyone else is expendable when it goes tits and the accountants are put in charge. In the banking crisis, a few big swinging dicks missed out on a bonus and moved elsewhere, and tens of thousands of IT and Operations staff lost their jobs. Same thing here.
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This will likely be coming off the back of the review as we are hopelessly disorganised behind the scenes. For example, we retain a match day staff that caters for 40k a week through the doors, rather than say 25k and bring in additions as needed.
I feel very sorry for anyone who finds themselves jobless but some cuts are likely needed.
Matchday staff numbers are organised around the predicted attendance. However the club is useless at this. My son has a very good job in organising catering at large events. He doesn't get to VP so often these days but we went to the Burnley game last season. I think the crowd was around 40k? He was both gobsmacked and appalled at the organisation. With the 2nd half kick off approaching the queues were still massive. People were giving up and going back to their seats with their cash still in their pockets instead of the tills.He took pictures of this chaos to share with his bosses. He contacted the club using his job title and shared his thoughts and offered constructive advice. He never received a reply.......meanwhile staff are losing their jobs at the club. A disgraceful situation in my humble opinion.
to be honest its been like that for at least 15 years
Yes I know. I don't miss many home games. When Mr Lerner bought the club I was very hopeful that we were about to embark on some good old American
style Matchday catering and expected us to blaze a trail for Matchday catering in the premier league. But no. Apart from a few pretty ineffective changes were still stuck with expensive prices and piss poor service. They still pull pints individually in the Trinity Rd where I sit. Even down at St Andrex they have had the "multi pull" system on beers for a few seasons now. From top to bottom. from boardroom to bootroom Mr Lerner has presided over the utter demise of Aston Villa fc. We can only hope the new board is going to sort out the shitstorm that they have inherited.
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They have got multi pull beer dispensers in the TR, I know because they weren't working on Saturday.
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nothing against the staff in the lower north but fuck me its painful to watch
i would never wish redundancy on anyone but being honest if you lost half of them you wouldnt notice any difference
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nothing against the staff in the lower north but fuck me its painful to watch
i would never wish redundancy on anyone but being honest if you lost half of them you wouldnt notice any difference
They'll not be redundant because they're on casual zero hours contracts.
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They have got multi pull beer dispensers in the TR, I know because they weren't working on Saturday.
I don't go to the bar much I usually send our kid.
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nothing against the staff in the lower north but fuck me its painful to watch
i would never wish redundancy on anyone but being honest if you lost half of them you wouldnt notice any difference
They'll not be redundant because they're on casual zero hours contracts.
If I can, I avoid any involvement with zero hours contracts. In the case of hospitality staff at Villa, from a management perspective it's most likely very easy to get away with. In truly abusing zero hours contract situations, depending on regularity of hours worked and length of time the contract has been in existence, there may be some justice for the employees. Is my understanding of recent cases, with the caveat that you're better off betting on football results than the outcome of employment tribunals.
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They have got multi pull beer dispensers in the TR, I know because they weren't working on Saturday.
They certainly haven't in the Holte Suite. Usual chaos and eternal wait on Saturday post match. Still, they'll have less people to upset next season. Every cloud...
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Having been through 5 "restructures" in the last 6 years that has seen literally thousands of jobs lost where I work, I can understand the uncertainty this brings and get that it is not nice, for those that go, or those that remain. I do get the impression though that some of this is Hollis et al looking at Villa as a small-ish business and streamlining as the opportunity presents, which for the organisation may well be the right thing to do. Relegation hastens that process, but the board of any company when the financial forecast is grim has to adjust accordingly. I fully agree with the sentiment that it would be nice if the squad en mass put their hand in and donated a weeks wages to offset and safeguard jobs, but would that be the best thing for the structure in the long term in any case? It is not a sustainable model. I agree re one bad transfer/ good transfer changes the picture too, and we have to now hope that the new board have a better success rate in that arena to help create a situation where the club thrives and can employ more people again down the line.
Re the comment about most of the staff being Villa fans for life etc, really? Some will be for sure, but I know quite a few people who have worked in different parts of the club (mainly sales) and don't have any affection for the club at all and see it as a job like anyone else. I just hope those leaving go on to find employment elsewhere.
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Sorry Meryv, Dave we have to let you go. Last in, first out.
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500 staff to go. A third of the workforce?
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500 staff to go. A third of the workforce?
You have to wonder about the club's existence longterm? What a disaster Lerner has been.
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That's including part-time staff I would have thought. Probably the city centre shop too.
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That's including part-time staff I would have thought. Probably the city centre shop too.
500 people losing their jobs. The Trinity upper to be closed next season. Meanwhile our fat useless waste of space club captain gets suspended on full pay. And I know it's in his contract but this whole shambles is really making my blood boil. Utterly fucking disgraceful situation.
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That's including part-time staff I would have thought. Probably the city centre shop too.
i would be amazed if the city centre store makes enough money to pay the electric bill