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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulWinch again on March 29, 2016, 09:39:22 PM
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Right now that the old board and Remi have gone it's time to address the main problem. The likes of Richards, Agbonlahor, Bacuna and Guzan can't get a fresh start again. We need to get rid of these parasites who drag the club down.
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Interesting that managers can be sacked with a payoff for not performing, but not players.
I agree with you about three of those players and the use of the word "parasites" and would be willing to throw Lescott into the mix.
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Agbonlahor and Richards are the two main trouble makers at the club, in my opinion. Get rid of them, even if you have to pay them off, and you can start addressing things properly.
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Interesting that managers can be sacked with a payoff for not performing, but not players.
Not really. If we wanted to offer Gabby the appropriate level of compensation to terminate his contract we could, there just wouldn't be any point.
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Don't be surprised if we see some smug tweets from this bunch of twats, it's definitely their style.
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Interesting that managers can be sacked with a payoff for not performing, but not players.
Not really. If we wanted to offer Gabby the appropriate level of compensation to terminate his contract we could, there just wouldn't be any point.
i think it would send out exactly the right message
the bloke is toxic along with a couple of others, his attitude is appalling and he has bought sod all to the party for years
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No doubt Lescott's phone will shortly be posting a tweet all on it's own while he's in the other room.
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Interesting that managers can be sacked with a payoff for not performing, but not players.
Not really. If we wanted to offer Gabby the appropriate level of compensation to terminate his contract we could, there just wouldn't be any point.
i think it would send out exactly the right message
the bloke is toxic along with a couple of others, his attitude is appalling and he has bought sod all to the party for years
Precisely.
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I was almost tempted to want us to employ a fucking nutter like Pearson to head butt a few of the players just to teach the piss taking twats a lesson. The next manager has got to be no nonsense and have the power to completely sack off the bad eggs, no trying to work with them, think of what an appalling example they must set to younger players or newbies trying to settle in a new culture.
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To be brutally honest, there isn't one player in this squad that I wouldnt be particularly sorry to see shown the door in the summer.
Get rid of this toxic atmosphere from Bodymoor asap.
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I was almost tempted to want us to employ a fucking nutter like Pearson to head butt a few of the players just to teach the piss taking twats a lesson. The next manager has got to be no nonsense and have the power to completely sack off the bad eggs, no trying to work with them, think of what an appalling example they must set to younger players or newbies trying to settle in a new culture.
With seen the fruits of that approach over the last 8 months thanks.
In the tasteful words of James Hetfield and Lars Ulrich "F¤¤k em 'all"
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Well if Chelsea are struggling to find players who have performed well this season, they should take a look at us! Has anyone played well for us this season?.... :-[ Well there are a few good players, but they've either been injuried, or having been played enough... Oh shit! ;)
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Yep, no point in having a restructure at the club if it doesn't address one of the main problems - the playing staff. Some of them are going to be hard to shift but we've got to do it.
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Maybe we could appoint Richards and Gabby as joint managers to make it easier to fire them.
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Have I missed something about Richards? I know he's been crap and his positioning is shit, particularly at centre back, but people speak as if he's been deliberately sabotaging the club.
Honestly not sure if I've missed a scandal? Or if people are getting a bit carried away?*
*Id say that it's a given that too many of our players lack the motivation/ability necessary to compete at the top level and that is a huge problem, and this almost certainly applies to Richards too but that's something different to being a ring leader in a mutiny.
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Have I missed something about Richards? I know he's been crap and his positioning is shit, particularly at centre back, but people speak as if he's been deliberately sabotaging the club.
Honestly not sure if I've missed a scandal? Or if people are getting a bit carried away?*
*Id say that it's a given that too many of our players lack the motivation/ability necessary to compete at the top level and that is a huge problem, and this almost certainly applies to Richards too but that's something different to being a ring leader in a mutiny.
I think it doesn't take a great leap of faith to think he is one of the players Garde was talking about who was a problem. He seemed to disappear from automatic first team selection very quickly after that. That allied to the Delph comments, the comments about the French players and his latest Twittering is a pretty fair start to tosserdom. Also, he's laughably meant to be captain.
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Yeah but the most likely scenario is that he's simply an imbecile. In which case a manager/someone else in authority at the club who could come in and lay down some instructions on what people should or shouldn't tweet or say in the press might be a good idea. Because these players are not up to thinking for themselves.
It could be that Richards has plotted to relegate Remi Garde as part of a Machivellian plot, or simply that his career has bottomed out and he's lacking the motivation to perform at the next non elite rung down at which he found himself at Villa. I'd say it's a place that our entire squad found themselves at the point that Mcleish was appointed. They realised they hadn't just underachieved for a season under Houllier but that they were now at a club where the ambition was to survive. They thought that that was easily within their abilities and they have been coasting. A poor squad, stripped of its quality and coasting is a recipe for relegation.
Better managers than we've had might have been able to arrest the decline, probably Lambert did the best job of managing the decline but it went tits up when he abandoned the young and hungry theory and imported the dross of his last summer transfer window. Although most of his signings lacked quality at least when they were on their way up in their careers their was some positive momentum.
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To expand on my previous post, I doubt that all the players at other clubs are all
Choirboys or James Milner style honest pro's. I remember when James Collins signed for us there was an interview where he said he didn't even like football. He still did pretty well for O'neill, Allardyce and brilliantly for Bilic. But we know he was completely unprofessional under Houllier.
I doubt McGrath would be viewed as the perfect professional either.
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I doubt McGrath would be viewed as the perfect professional either.
I don't see how comparing Micah Richards to any other player makes his behaviour, lack of effort or performances any more excusable.
And you've answered your own point anyway. McGrath earned the latitude he got off the pitch by his performances on it. Collins got less stick than he deserved for his unprofessionalism because by and large his performances were steady if not spectacular. Richards has acted like a twat and played like a twat and therefore is mostly considered to be (judging by the majority of comments on here) a twat. If you're going to act the big shot, put in the performances to back it up.
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Yeah you're not wrong. It's what they do on the pitch that matters (although there are certain standards of behaviour that are more important for me than success on the field) And I don't know why I was trying to excuse their behaviour. I suppose I just expect players to be dickheads these days. I imagine we'll be stuck with most of these clowns next season but if we replace them with better players they'll probably be dickheads too.
What I couldn't understand was the increased vitriol towards Richards I've seen over the last couple of days when he hasn't even played for weeks. But now having seen his latest tweeting twattery it does show he's unusually gifted at doing the wrong thing at the wrong time. I'm amazed he's allowed to engage with people on social media in that way without consequences from the club.
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Yes I also missed the memo where this evil cabal of players has been caught trying to bring the club down.
I just think they are shit, collectively not anywhere near good enough to keep us up.
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Richards was openly briefing against the French players just before Sherwood got the boot.
There's been a constant stream of leaks alluding to cliques and a split dressing room all season long. That's completely unnecessary and whether deliberate or done out of sheer selfishness or dumbass thick as pigshitedness it can only have a negative and destabilising effect on the club.
Re Richards and "he's unusually gifted at doing the wrong thing at the wrong time." When that kind of shit happens repeatedly the chances of it being coincidence diminish rapidly
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Can anyone with more interest/knowledge of other clubs' players tell me, has there ever been a club that has so many players that are hated/despised by their own fans at the same time as the Villa has now? It seems almost unthinkable.
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Can anyone with more interest/knowledge of other clubs' players tell me, has there ever been a club that has so many players that are hated/despised by their own fans at the same time as the Villa has now? It seems almost unthinkable.
We're the first big club to relegated for a while, who hasn't had a recent experience of the championship, and in this era of obscene player salaries and social media buffoonery. I'd say if we're not at the top we'd certainly be in the champions league places.
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It's a condemnation of the modern player and the structure in football that players can be sh*t, lack any sense of responsibility to the club paying their wages and be the cause of a manager losing his job without any comeback at them.
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I am not one to defend a player like Agbonlahor, because I think he has been shit for years, but could some of his and the others behaviour be down to the breakdown of trust with management in general?
The reason I ask this is that it seemed to escalate after it was revealed that there was bullying going on at the club under Lambert.
I am not saying for one minute that this is the reason, but you can understand where cliques would have been created, if only to defend themselves.
I'm sure most of us have come across this in our own careers, where a lack of communication with senior management, may it be on working conditions, or direction, creatives a spiral of negativity that it is very difficult to stop once it has begun.
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Interesting that managers can be sacked with a payoff for not performing, but not players.
Not really. If we wanted to offer Gabby the appropriate level of compensation to terminate his contract we could, there just wouldn't be any point.
i think it would send out exactly the right message
the bloke is toxic along with a couple of others, his attitude is appalling and he has bought sod all to the party for years
Precisely.
Sadly he's practically been allowed to run the dressing room for the last six years.
Seven managers in the time he's been here. Time to get rid.
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Pictures of Gabby smoking shisha starting to emerge. What a dope.
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I fucking hate them all. They're either shit, unprofessional, big headed, thick, ignorant, feckless, out of shape, lacking in talent, lacking in application or a combination of the above.
I've never felt like this about our players before.
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I fucking hate them all. They're either shit, unprofessional, big headed, thick, ignorant, feckless, out of shape, lacking in talent, lacking in application or a combination of the above.
I've never felt like this about our players before.
I felt like this about Collins, Heskey & a couple of others under McLeish, but I'm with you on this. I hate every single one of them.
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At least the club had the decency to put forward a player who's put in some effort this season for a fundraising photo.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeyT4duW4AEC8yw.jpg)
You can imagine how a picture of Gabby or Richards asking fans to give hard-earned money would have gone down.
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A decentish choice. I quite like Hutton's style.
Pictures of Gabby smoking shisha starting to emerge. What a dope.
A question out of ignorance on my part. Is shisha a drug, like cannabis or similar? Is it illegal or performance enhancing or on any banned substance list?
I think you can guess where I'm going with this...
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Be interesting on Saturday if the players put a shift in and we have a go
would the crowd perceive it as being the Manager had no ability to motivate, coach or pick a decent team?
Or the players showing that "They" rule the roost and collectively got him the push
I think if an element of the latter came about and they looked like they actually gave a shit now I would want them given pelters as they are obviously all cnuts
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A decentish choice. I quite like Hutton's style.
Pictures of Gabby smoking shisha starting to emerge. What a dope.
A question out of ignorance on my part. Is shisha a drug, like cannabis or similar? Is it illegal or performance enhancing or on any banned substance list?
I think you can guess where I'm going with this...
No, it is a water pipe used for smoking dried fruit Tabaco like substances and is popular in the middle east. Sadly there is no chance of Gabby being locked up in a Dubai prison.
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A decentish choice. I quite like Hutton's style.
Pictures of Gabby smoking shisha starting to emerge. What a dope.
A question out of ignorance on my part. Is shisha a drug, like cannabis or similar? Is it illegal or performance enhancing or on any banned substance list?
I think you can guess where I'm going with this...
No, it is a water pipe used for smoking dried fruit Tabaco like substances and is popular in the middle east. Sadly there is no chance of Gabby being locked up in a Dubai prison.
Yep, has become quite popular in Cyprus too. And as it's tobacco, it's performance detracting. Although how Gabby could get any worse escapes me.
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Can anyone with more interest/knowledge of other clubs' players tell me, has there ever been a club that has so many players that are hated/despised by their own fans at the same time as the Villa has now? It seems almost unthinkable.
They dig their own graves by posting on Twitter
There's probably a correlation between those who post on twitter and those that are hated the most.
I would say the same for most struggling clubs
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There isn't a single player in the squad that I'd be sorry to see leave in the summer.
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There isn't a single player in the squad that I'd be sorry to see leave in the summer.
I think my only two would be Amavi and Traore, but that's probably as they haven't played for ages. I would have said Veretout and Ayew previously, but I'm not that fussed anymore.
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makes you wonder if the dressing room is run on the lines of the prison showers,
you know who runs this place , it aint the governor!
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There isn't a single player in the squad that I'd be sorry to see leave in the summer.
I think my only two would be Amavi and Traore, but that's probably as they haven't played for ages. I would have said Veretout and Ayew previously, but I'm not that fussed anymore.
To be honest I'd forgotten about those two so they can be spared as they showed promise!
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Can anyone with more interest/knowledge of other clubs' players tell me, has there ever been a club that has so many players that are hated/despised by their own fans at the same time as the Villa has now? It seems almost unthinkable.
I have never disliked a villa team as much as I despise these players.
They are an absoloutely disgrace, I am sure there are some decent people amongst them but it is hard to see past Bacuna Gabby Richards Richardson Guzan
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makes you wonder if the dressing room is run on the lines of the prison showers,
you know who runs this place , it aint the governor!
Gabby drops the soap?
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Can anyone with more interest/knowledge of other clubs' players tell me, has there ever been a club that has so many players that are hated/despised by their own fans at the same time as the Villa has now? It seems almost unthinkable.
I have never disliked a villa team as much as I despise these players.
They are an absoloutely disgrace, I am sure there are some decent people amongst them but it is hard to see past Bacuna Gabby Richards Richardson Guzan
Think I might give my ST (had the same seat in Lower Holte since it was built) up as have never felt so down about Villa, having first watched them in 1964. Never thought I would but I just can't imagine wanting good things to happen for most of these bastards. This is perverse because clearly that would mean my club benefiting too. It's got that bad and I'm off to Cornwall instead of going to Chelsea match. At least my wife will be pleased.
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I am pleased that this thread was started because most of them really are a bunch of feckless, useless, idle wankers and it is totally on-topic to say so in here. I hope to see their role (both on and off the pitch) more widely reported in the press, with special attention given to Agbonlahor and Richards. Nothing would make me happier (other than Lerner selling to a deep-pocketed, serious new owner) than to see those two sent packing. Since this is unlikely to happen, I will settle for every Villa fan at every ground greeting every one of their touches (not many in Agbonlahor's case, I know) with raucous contempt, the "wankers" gesture, booing and WANKER! chants. I would fucking love it! WANKERS!
Sorry for repeating myself on a few threads but they really are wankers.
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I have never, ever advocated booing / berating our players - I've had arguments in the past when its happened at games.
But right now, I absolutely despise some of this team - not all of them (some just ain't good enough) - I'd be happy to see Richards, Gabby, Lescott, Bacuna and Guzan get absolute pelters against Chelsea.
Their contempt for us has been apparent for a long time. Time for some payback.
Reminding them that they're not fit to wear the shirt would be a good place to start.
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I have never, ever advocated booing / berating our players - I've had arguments in the past when its happened at games.
But right now, I absolutely despise some of this team - not all of them (some just ain't good enough) - I'd be happy to see Richards, Gabby, Lescott, Bacuna and Guzan get absolute pelters against Chelsea.
Their contempt for us has been apparent for a long time. Time for some payback.
Reminding them that they're not fit to wear the shirt would be a good place to start.
I would LOVE to see that on Saturday - would restore some level of faith in me anyway, that Villa fans understood the rot still has to be dealt with. The more these players realize we want them gone, the better
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There isn't a single player in the squad that I'd be sorry to see leave in the summer.
What about the married ones?
I'm going.
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I have never, ever advocated booing / berating our players - I've had arguments in the past when its happened at games.
But right now, I absolutely despise some of this team - not all of them (some just ain't good enough) - I'd be happy to see Richards, Gabby, Lescott, Bacuna and Guzan get absolute pelters against Chelsea.
Their contempt for us has been apparent for a long time. Time for some payback.
Reminding them that they're not fit to wear the shirt would be a good place to start.
I would LOVE to see that on Saturday - would restore some level of faith in me anyway, that Villa fans understood the rot still has to be dealt with. The more these players realize we want them gone, the better
Save it for their Lap of Appreciation after the Newcastle game. Everybody staying behind to chant 'wankers' at them as they walk around the pitch. They deserve nothing less.
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Lap Of Appreciation? You're having a larf. More like a Lap Of You Gullible Tossers. From this pile of shite.
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Lap Of Appreciation? You're having a larf. More like a Lap Of You Gullible Tossers. From this pile of shite.
Indeed. I'm sure they won't be arsed to give one. Partly because it would require them moving their lazy, overpaid arses but also because they probably know what awaits them.
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They would have to be fucking nuts to meander around the pitch waving after the Newcastle game.
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Pearson has warned #AVFC 's underperforming stars that if he gets the job "They're gunna wish they were Adam Johnson" #SSNHQ
This on Twitter made me lol- pity it's only a wind up
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I have never, ever advocated booing / berating our players - I've had arguments in the past when its happened at games.
But right now, I absolutely despise some of this team - not all of them (some just ain't good enough) - I'd be happy to see Richards, Gabby, Lescott, Bacuna and Guzan get absolute pelters against Chelsea.
Their contempt for us has been apparent for a long time. Time for some payback.
Reminding them that they're not fit to wear the shirt would be a good place to start.
I would LOVE to see that on Saturday - would restore some level of faith in me anyway, that Villa fans understood the rot still has to be dealt with. The more these players realize we want them gone, the better
Save it for their Lap of Appreciation after the Newcastle game. Everybody staying behind to chant 'wankers' at them as they walk around the pitch. They deserve nothing less.
I know what you are saying and what they deserve but some will have young children with them do the kids deserve that?
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Asides from their woeful performances and shocking attitudes, has there ever been a squad of Villa players as thick as these?
The likes of Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan and Bacuna constantly made brainless decisions on the field and seem equally empty headed off it.
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Asides from their woeful performances and shocking attitudes, has there ever been a squad of Villa players as thick as these?
The likes of Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan and Bacuna constantly made brainless decisions on the field and seem equally empty headed off it.
im hoping we have relegation clauses inbuilt into the contracts of all the first team squad.
unfortunately very few are out of contract in the summer but I'm all for paying off players to leave like West Ham did with Nolan.
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I have never, ever advocated booing / berating our players - I've had arguments in the past when its happened at games.
But right now, I absolutely despise some of this team - not all of them (some just ain't good enough) - I'd be happy to see Richards, Gabby, Lescott, Bacuna and Guzan get absolute pelters against Chelsea.
Their contempt for us has been apparent for a long time. Time for some payback.
Reminding them that they're not fit to wear the shirt would be a good place to start.
I would LOVE to see that on Saturday - would restore some level of faith in me anyway, that Villa fans understood the rot still has to be dealt with. The more these players realize we want them gone, the better
Save it for their Lap of Appreciation after the Newcastle game. Everybody staying behind to chant 'wankers' at them as they walk around the pitch. They deserve nothing less.
I know what you are saying and what they deserve but some will have young children with them do the kids deserve that?
Absolute silence would be better, preferably with backs turned
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They all drop at least 30% on wages to a man according to Fox a few weeks ago.
The players are ******. Not all of them, but too many and they are pretty much all in the senior pro bracket.
Others play along with it but be in no doubt the Ring Masters in the 1st team dressing room are Flabby and Richards.
The contempt I hold them in is hard to describe.
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I'm sure whoever comes in will be seeking assurances that they have full control over the players, otherwise you have the scene befitting of Cloughy at Leeds
As with so many comments on here, i'm sick and tired of seeing these people masquerading as footballers, and can't wait to see the back of them
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Over the past couple of seasons I've watched pre-match footage of our team getting off the coach and entering various stadia and I've often been struck by how scruffy they look. No suits and ties, just tracky bottoms, t-shirts, big ear phones and an assortment of cases and bags. Not including the Cup Final, when did a Villa team last wear a suit and tie to a match? It's a small detail, I know, but it speaks volumes for me about the low standards running right the way through the Club.
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Heard on the BBC that Paul McGrath has tweeted his best wishes to Remi Garde and said that he is in no way responsible for our plight. He goes on to say that Garde was let down by the owner, the board and the players.
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At least the club had the decency to put forward a player who's put in some effort this season for a fundraising photo.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeyT4duW4AEC8yw.jpg)
You can imagine how a picture of Gabby or Richards asking fans to give hard-earned money would have gone down.
I would pay £35 just to see one his crosses actually be accurate i.e not fail to beat the first man or totally over hit
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I would pay ten times that to see Gabby tarred, feathered and served a 10 year ASBO from the limits of the West Midlands Combined Authority.
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At least the club had the decency to put forward a player who's put in some effort this season for a fundraising photo.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeyT4duW4AEC8yw.jpg)
You can imagine how a picture of Gabby or Richards asking fans to give hard-earned money would have gone down.
I would pay £35 just to see one his crosses actually be accurate i.e not fail to beat the first man or totally over hit
He's as bad as the rest. Big culprit for many of our goals conceded. Just watch him strolling around at the etihad
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If we can't get rid of Gabby he should be the new club mascot. Dressed as a large walking pie with his head poking through the crust he would be forced to amuse us with little dances and gurning. I will supply the rotten vegetables with which he will be encouraged by the fans he holds in such contempt.
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this (http://www.lastnightoffreedom.co.uk/stag-night-shop/costumes-&-fancy-dress/big-pink-vagina-costume/) is what Gabby should be made to wear and then paraded around Villa Park.
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Dave, Do they do one in Gabbys size XXXXXL?
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That site. Fucking hell! "I'm going as a used sanitary towel"
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I'm sure whoever comes in will be seeking assurances that they have full control over the players, otherwise you have the scene befitting of Cloughy at Leeds
As with so many comments on here, i'm sick and tired of seeing these people masquerading as footballers, and can't wait to see the back of them
What do think just happened? Other than Garde outlasted Clough by 105 days.
Mind you if we'd got the likes of Bremner, Giles and Yorath ripping teams apart, occasionally literally, I might cut the ****** a bit more leeway. As it is f¤¤k 'em.
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Can anyone with more interest/knowledge of other clubs' players tell me, has there ever been a club that has so many players that are hated/despised by their own fans at the same time as the Villa has now? It seems almost unthinkable.
They dig their own graves by posting on Twitter
There's probably a correlation between those who post on twitter and those that are hated the most.
I would say the same for most struggling clubs
I'd say there's more likely to be a correlation between the number of brain cells rattling around their skulls and the graceless, witless, narcissistic qualities of their tweets, which in turn will have a correlation with how despised they are / how much contempt they are held in.
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SVC speaks.....
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sogono
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SVC speaks.....
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sogono
Quite alot of sense there, if you look past his opinion of himself. Why has he not been so clear before. For me he has identified the players that must go, not least for the effect on the younger players.
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Is Stan looking for a job? The chat with Little will be fun taking into account how poorly Collymore played when he was in Brian's team.
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Saturday these bunch of wasters , wankers and incompetent arseholes should be left in no doubt that the supporters know one of the issues may have been resolved, but the other one THEM has not been, when they do there fancy line up and shake a hand in the gesture of a wave, the bells of hell should rain down from every stand in the ground, Wankers, Boos whatever, but leave them in no doubt we know they are the biggest problem.
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Saturday these bunch of wasters , wankers and incompetent arseholes should be left in no doubt that the supporters know one of the issues may have been resolved, but the other one THEM has not been, when they do there fancy line up and shake a hand in the gesture of a wave, the bells of hell should rain down from every stand in the ground, Wankers, Boos whatever, but leave them in no doubt we know they are the biggest problem.
Oh yes - they all seem to think we have been satiated by having Sir Brian in and Garde out - far from it!
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God hits nail on head
“They don’t respect the club they’re playing for and that’s the problem".
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/paul-mcgrath-aston-villas-players-11116521
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SVC speaks.....
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sogono
Stanley go away and be very quiet.You have a bigger ego than Ibahimovic and it shows in every sentence. We don't want you involved with the club in any way.
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SVC speaks.....
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sogono
Stanley go away and be very quiet.You have a bigger ego than Ibahimovic and it shows in every sentence. We don't want you involved with the club in any way.
Yes, how dare we have someone speak passionately about our club and predicament.
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SVC speaks.....
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sogono
I actually really like Stan - perhaps not the finest performer at Villa, however it seems many people often overlook the fact that he was ill. He may have not helped himself, but didn't just go off the rails.
But he always comes across as genuine and honest, and publicly speaking out about all things Villa, he does so without any concern for feelings, just tells it how it is. I'm pretty sure the players and senior staff may have worse critics, but I doubt they like that a recognised ex-player is publicly telling them that they're a waste of space.
Well done Stan.
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What SVC doesn't know about underperforming for the club you profess to love and creating divisions in the dressing room probably isn't worth knowing.
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For most of our players, if not all of them, they'll never play in the premier league again after this season and rightly so.
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Yep, they're all still terrible
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Can somebody tell me why we cannot just sack the useless fuckers who are on "long term" contracts?
If I was so totally fucking inept in my job, regardless of whatever time I was with my employers, I would be sacked.
Why is it that the likes of our first team squad aren't?
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Because they're currently meeting all the requirements of the contracts that they were offered by the club.
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So getting relegated,playing totally crap, offering fans out etc,etc are requirements of the contracts then?
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You do wonder whether some of the players, having partied like it's 1999 after seeing off Garde, have realised that we haven't finished in venting our ire as a support yet.
Fox and his team are gone. The managerial change some craved has happened. An exciting new board is taking shape. But there is one more thing on the list and all focus from the fans is now on it.
The feckless, unprofessional, wage stealing, excuses of Senior Pro's at the club. I hope the fans go at those that deserve it very hard between now and the end of the season so they are uncomfortable with staying.
Flabby, Richards, Guzan. Lescott might be a prat but he isn't a shite hawk in the dressing room.
If only Gareth Barry was dishing out wisdom on how his career could have gone the way of Hendrie had he not buckled down to Grealish.
Instead, we have the poster boy for how to make as much as you can whilst doing as little as possible as his mentor.
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So getting relegated,playing totally crap, offering fans out etc,etc are requirements of the contracts then?
No Eddie, that would be stupid.
The contracts expect them to stay at an acceptable level of fitness*, be available for training and selection when required, attend media duties as required. Lots of stuff like that. If a player didn't meet those requirements then yes, there probably would be grounds to sack them.
It doesn't say "you must not lose 6-0 to Liverpool" or "you must win at least four league matches each season".
*insert your own Gabby joke here
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A decentish choice. I quite like Hutton's style.
Pictures of Gabby smoking shisha starting to emerge. What a dope.
A question out of ignorance on my part. Is shisha a drug, like cannabis or similar? Is it illegal or performance enhancing or on any banned substance list?
I think you can guess where I'm going with this...
No, it is a water pipe used for smoking dried fruit Tabaco like substances and is popular in the middle east. Sadly there is no chance of Gabby being locked up in a Dubai prison.
Yep, has become quite popular in Cyprus too. And as it's tobacco, it's performance detracting. Although how Gabby could get any worse escapes me.
If only Cruyff hadn't smoked 30 a day think how good he could have been....
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Over the past couple of seasons I've watched pre-match footage of our team getting off the coach and entering various stadia and I've often been struck by how scruffy they look. No suits and ties, just tracky bottoms, t-shirts, big ear phones and an assortment of cases and bags. Not including the Cup Final, when did a Villa team last wear a suit and tie to a match? It's a small detail, I know, but it speaks volumes for me about the low standards running right the way through the Club.
You are David Cameron. I claim my prize.
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Because they're currently meeting all the requirements of the contracts that they were offered by the club.
As was Garde, technically. The difference is its seen as acceptable to pay off a manager who is failing, not players who are failing.
How nice would it be, for once, for a club to stand up and buck the trend.
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Because they're currently meeting all the requirements of the contracts that they were offered by the club.
As was Garde, technically. The difference is its seen as acceptable to pay off a manager who is failing, not players who are failing.
How nice would it be, for once, for a club to stand up and buck the trend.
This!
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Lot of issues would come as a result of sacking players like legal fees and the like.
However, it would at least make a statement to the fans and other players that the club are no longer prepared to tolerate the likes of Gabby who repeatedly bring the club into disrepute and don't take playing here seriously enough.
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What SVC doesn't know about underperforming for the club you profess to love and creating divisions in the dressing room probably isn't worth knowing.
seconded
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Lot of issues would come as a result of sacking players like legal fees and the like.
However, it would at least make a statement to the fans and other players that the club are no longer prepared to tolerate the likes of Gabby who repeatedly bring the club into disrepute and don't take playing here seriously enough.
You don't sack them, You pay them off, just like we did Lambert, Sherwood, and Garde. No difference. Thats a statement that would make for a very big difference in our fortunes because right now, be under no illusion, the players have been emboldened by the sacking of Garde.
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Because they're currently meeting all the requirements of the contracts that they were offered by the club.
As was Garde, technically. The difference is its seen as acceptable to pay off a manager who is failing, not players who are failing.
How nice would it be, for once, for a club to stand up and buck the trend.
If we want to change the original question from "why can't the players be sacked for being bad at their job just like I could be for being bad at mine" to "why can't the players be sacked for being bad at their job like Garde was for being bad at his" the answer is that they can. Remi (and all the others before him) had their contracts paid because we wanted to employ somebody else in the job that we thought could do it better.
If Gabby and Richards (to pick a couple of names at random) were told that their contracts were being paid up and that they were free to find employment elsewhere, I imagine they'd jump at the chance.
"We're going to take a stand by paying you all your money, expecting nothing in return and leaving you free to earn more money elsewhere".
It's not exactly Howard Beale.
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And that is why the whole of football is screwed ...
And how even convicted rapists and killers are even offered contracts by clubs
Sack a player and theres a queue of clubs prepared and only too happy to pick up a player on the cheap
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If Gabby and Richards (to pick a couple of names at random) were told that their contracts were being paid up and that they were free to find employment elsewhere, I imagine they'd jump at the chance.
"We're going to take a stand by paying you all your money, expecting nothing in return and leaving you free to earn more money elsewhere".
It's not exactly Howard Beale.
The same could be said of managers. Your point is, as the next posters said, a perfect illustration of why football is so screwed.
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An example being made of just a single player, either Agbonlahor or Richards, I suspect would quieten down the pack. We may not have to fork out several millions on getting shut of several players, but perhaps just a couple. Especially as I reckon not too many clubs would be queuing for their services when it's let slip that their attitude is less than helpful in a dressing room. Maybe football no longer works that way but if they want to play for this football club, make it clear that we stand no nonsense.
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I watched the Andy Gray item last night and then, as is normal, I was mulling over all things Villa as I tried to drop off to sleep, and started thinking about the wastrels at the club.
It struck me that try as I might, I could not remember the first name of the player called Sinclair.
The names Frank and Trevor kept coming but this blokes name just wouldn't come.
It took about 10 mins before it dawned on me his name is Scott.
I have been a supporter for over 45 years and a season ticket holder for over 30 years.
Yet, I could not think of the name of the CURRENT Aston Villa number 9!
I'll give Scott Sinclair the benefit of the doubt and conclude that maybe it was an age thing creeping up on me and nothing to do with the complete and utter lack of impact the guy has had since arriving.
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It may have been said on other threads, but if the UK leaves the EU, the choice of which players leave will be made for us.
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It may have been said on other threads, but if the UK leaves the EU, the choice of which players leave will be made for us
Don't pay any attention to that nonsense. It's just Cameron trying to frighten you. His contempt for you is matched only by the squad.
Total arse-bollocks.
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I agree it may be scaremongering but the BBC have us down as having a lot of players at risk
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/35919247
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I agree it may be scaremongering but the BBC have us down as having a lot of players at risk
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/35919247
Yep, the BBC are just an arm of gubbermint propaganda. Just another scare tactic to get you to vote to stay in.
Pay no heed, move along, nothing to see here.
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I watched the Andy Gray item last night and then, as is normal, I was mulling over all things Villa as I tried to drop off to sleep, and started thinking about the wastrels at the club.
It struck me that try as I might, I could not remember the first name of the player called Sinclair.
The names Frank and Trevor kept coming but this blokes name just wouldn't come.
It took about 10 mins before it dawned on me his name is Scott.
I have been a supporter for over 45 years and a season ticket holder for over 30 years.
Yet, I could not think of the name of the CURRENT Aston Villa number 9!
I'll give Scott Sinclair the benefit of the doubt and conclude that maybe it was an age thing creeping up on me and nothing to do with the complete and utter lack of impact the guy has had since arriving.
I have similar problems in that regard so I use a lot of catchy memorable psuedonyms for our lads such as Numbnuts, Powderpuff and Arsewipe. It helps.
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Heskey was poor but seemed a decent enough humble bloke with an ok attitud, cannot be compared to this shower.
I fucking hate them all. They're either shit, unprofessional, big headed, thick, ignorant, feckless, out of shape, lacking in talent, lacking in application or a combination of the above.
I've never felt like this about our players before.
I felt like this about Collins, Heskey & a couple of others under McLeish, but I'm with you on this. I hate every single one of them.
Heskey was mostly rubbish for us and very frustrating to watch, save a six odd match spell under Houllier, but I would never have questioned his attitude and he always seems a decent, humble lad. So of the above I think only 'lacking in talent' applies to him.
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During the break for Internationals I think the club should've taken the opportunity to dig up the pitch and install a system whereby the players could've been controlled by huge levers installed in the Holte End. Pressing down on the lever would've sent the player racing blindly up towards the opposition's penalty area. Upwards pressure would've reversed the effect. Players would've also have been able to rotate on their bases and alternately extend and retract their legs either entirely randomly or according to the proximity of the ball.
There would've been no sense in allowing the goalkeeper to disregard his duties by flying up and down the pitch with his colleagues; so he would've remained on his line until a jet-pack attached to his back was ignited.
The winner of an exciting pre-match raffle would've be entitled to sit on the bench looking glum. Several second prizes woud've allowed people to sit at the back looking disinterested and/or spitting chewing gum towards the pitch and/or looking at their iphones.
I think Our Randy's missed a trick and all it would've taken was a phone call.
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SVC speaks.....
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sogono
Mervyn King. 'Track record in finance is second to none'
I stopped reading after that profound comment from SVC
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SVC speaks.....
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sogono
Mervyn King. 'Track record in finance is second to none'
I stopped reading after that profound comment from SVC
Not a fan of quantitive easing and drip down economics then?
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I absolutely despise this shameless, gutless, lazy, arrogant and talentless group of wankers. Easily the worst squad we've ever had in absolutely every respect.
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Guzan. Bone head
Richards. Wanker
Lescott. Arrogant
Bacuna. Arsehole.
Agbonlahor. All of the above
Get rid of this lot first. Sick of watching you steal a living of Aston Villa.
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Here's what they al earn allegedly. Doesn't make me feel as bad if we can get rid of the first four and halve the wages of the ones we want to keep.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/510246/Revealed-Aston-Villa-player-wages
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I kept scrolling until I found a player I *didn't* want get rid of. 7 swipes. I'd be crap on Tinder.
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Here's what they al earn allegedly. Doesn't make me feel as bad if we can get rid of the first four and halve the wages of the ones we want to keep.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/510246/Revealed-Aston-Villa-player-wages
The ones we want to keep should form the basis of the wage structure going forward. Just because there may be a clause in the contract to cut wages by half (if you believe the reports), doesn't mean we should just follow it blindly. We should renegotiate contracts for the best players so that we do not lose out.
Makes you wonder if those wages are correct, how our wage bill is so high, even allowing for the players that left last summer.
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Riley still being at the club worries me. We can have the inevitable clearout at the end of the season but what's to stop him buying a whole new team of rubbish players.
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Riley still being at the club worries me. We can have the inevitable clearout at the end of the season but what's to stop him buying a whole new team of rubbish players.
If we had a couple more Ayews and Amavis, and a couple less Lescotts, Gabbys and Richards, we might not have been in quite such a bad position.
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I hate 90% of these utter clowns.
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I hate 90% of these utter clowns.
Yes - me too.
Funny though that the majority of those who are in my 10% and not either wankers (Gabby, Richards, Lescott) or shit (Hutton, Guzan, Sanchez) were actually those signed by Reilly last summer.
Traore, Amavi, Ayew, possibly Gana.
Other than that, I'd only actually want Grealish (and he's pushing himself perilously close to pissing me off) at the club next year. I'm fairly ambivalent about Gestede, Clark and Westwood although they need to not be automatic first choice players. The rest can sod off.