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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on March 29, 2016, 09:26:47 PM
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Seems the general consensus is wait until the end of the season and make sure the new gaffer isn't in any way associated with this car crash of a season.
Personally I'd get someone in a.s.a.p as we have a two month head start on the two other relegated teams as we all know we're down, Bernstein has said as much and I imagine he'll be one of the key recruiters of the next guy.
Don't think there's a moment to waste, if only so he can see how terrible some of these players are and boot them out of the exit door in the summer.
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Eric Black.
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I'd like Moyes if possible.
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On the other hand, as we know we're going down we have 2 months to make sure we get the right man rather than rushing it.
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At least it ain't Kev Mac, he disgraced himself last team he picked
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Question was more should we appoint one in next few weeks or in May/June as we usually do?
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I wonder if they'll wait till the season's over before appointing a new manager? The new man might delay taking over right away because he wouldn't want a relegation on his CV even if it wasn't his fault.
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If ever there was a right man/right place combination it's us and Moyes.
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Would still wait personally till the season's ends. What's a new guy gonna do? We're down anyway, he can't build for next season as he hasn't a clue who's staying or leaving. Let Black take all the flak.
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Moyes, please.
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If ever there was a right man/right place combination it's us and Moyes.
This - even if it's a bit like Pep in so much as he'll start in May.
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There seemed to be enough in the press last week that suggested that Moyes wanted it to be known that he would take the Villa job.
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As long as it's not Pearson. Managing a good run of 8 games does not hide the fact the 20 odd before it were Villa esque.
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I wonder if they'll wait till the season's over before appointing a new manager? The new man might delay taking over right away because he wouldn't want a relegation on his CV even if it wasn't his fault.
I don't think anyone would blame him in the slightest but starting afresh in a new season might be best.
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Is there any point in paying someone to be manager until the useless twats we have playing for us are either sacked or their contracts expire?
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Runners and riders. (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager)
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Would still wait personally till the season's ends. What's a new guy gonna do? We're down anyway, he can't build for next season as he hasn't a clue who's staying or leaving. Let Black take all the flak.
A new guy in now could see if he can get any of these players performing and to see if they have a future.
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They'll certainly wait till relegation is mathematically certain; so, sometime before season ends.
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Get Moyes signed up and tell him to go on holiday for a month then announce it in May.
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Runners and riders. (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager)
Steve McClaren. Yikes!!
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It is so obvious Moyes is the correct option. So far, the club are making some very positive steps towards the future; Nigel Pearson seems at odds with that and strikes me as a very short-term fix. If he's first choice I wouldn't be pleased.
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Some of the names on that Oddschecker list... good god. Moyes for me please.
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Runners and riders. (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager)
Just looked at some of the names on the list, Ally McCoist, Billy Davies I'm sure the bookies won't get many bets on them.
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I really hope those bookies / punters are clueless.
The leading foreign manager is ....... Di Canio?????
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The new manager will be in post by the weekend, I bet Brian Little has been speaking to candidates since the Swansea defeat. Welcome to the jungle David Moyes.
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The new manager will be in post by the weekend, I bet Brian Little has been speaking to candidates since the Swansea defeat. Welcome to the jungle David Moyes.
If ever there was a potential ITK I would like to be true it's this
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If ever there was a right man/right place combination it's us and Moyes.
Yes, I agree Dave. He has the right credentials for us and being part of rebuilding a big club will allow him to rebuild his reputation.
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Moyes would certainly tick the boxes for Lerner's Man United obsession. Still rather we waited
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If Moyes wants it, go get him in straight away. What's the point in waiting? We need someone to get a grip of this squad. He HAS to be backed in the summer. Go get him Brian!
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Get Moyes signed up and tell him to go on holiday for a month then announce it in May.
This. I really hope they try and get him to sign a secret pre contract agreement now before someone else nabs him (as Mourinho has done with Man U, allegedly).
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I really hope those bookies / punters are clueless.
The leading foreign manager is ....... Di Canio?????
I saw Bosko Balaban's name on one.
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Runners and riders. (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager)
Just looked at some of the names on the list, Ally McCoist, Billy Davies I'm sure the bookies won't get many bets on them.
Some of those names are really scary! Mclaren proved with Derby that he can't get a team out of the Championship. Someone from Warbuton, Dyche, Rodgers (arn't going to happen), Moyes (arn't going to happen), Clarke, Monk or Pearson would do.
The time to get Moyes was November when we appointed Garde, really can't see him taking over a Championship club, he knows that he could get a top flight job if he waits. But I do think that it makes sense to try and get whoever it is in before the end of the season to give them that headstart for next season, but I fear than that won't happen.
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Maybe, but when you have managed in the Prem for years at a big club, then managed United, and had a stint in Spain, what is more appealing. Being the man that restores Villa or taking one of a huge number of smaller clubs that you might be offered in the premier league? In Moyes position, the conditions are just about perfect. We have a board, a structure in place to improve, and whoever gets it right from here is going to be revered in a Sir GT like manner.
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If ever there was a right man/right place combination it's us and Moyes.
Yes, I agree Dave. He has the right credentials for us and being part of rebuilding a big club will allow him to rebuild his reputation.
It's perfect for him and us, let's hope it's been happening behind the scenes while they have been agreeing terms with Remi.
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Maybe, but when you have managed in the Prem for years at a big club, then managed United, and had a stint in Spain, what is more appealing. Being the man that restores Villa or taking one of a huge number of smaller clubs that you might be offered in the premier league? In Moyes position, the conditions are just about perfect. We have a board, a structure in place to improve, and whoever gets it right from here is going to be revered in a Sir GT like manner.
Well that challenge is the one big selling point for Moyes right now, and that is our best hope of getting him. I still have my doubts,but if it did happen then great.
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Start of next season with Moyes on unofficial scouting duty alongside Sir Brian until then, locked up on a pre contract agreement.
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I agree it's a long shot. But his people obviously sounded the come get me hooter last week.
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
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Pearson is another gamble by the club, just as Remi, Sherwood, Lambert and McLeish were gambles. Our gambles have failed. The team that takes the field at the weekend is a monument to all these failed managers. A badly run club. Just get a manager in with experience, gravitas and a long term vision for the club. No gobshites. Pearson nearly had Leicester relegated before they went on that run to stay up. He is not what we need. He's another gamble.
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At least it ain't Kev Mac, he disgraced himself last team he picked
And the time before that
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Runners and riders. (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager)
Brings it home to me just how few quality options we have
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There's only one option that makes sense. I hope the club have the nous to be flexible as necessary in order to get him.
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Pearson is another gamble by the club, just as Remi, Sherwood, Lambert and McLeish were gambles. Our gambles have failed. The team that takes the field at the weekend is a monument to all these failed managers. A badly run club. Just get a manager in with experience, gravitas and a long term vision for the club. No gobshites. Pearson nearly had Leicester relegated before they went on that run to stay up. He is not what we need. He's another gamble.
But don't you think that he deserves credit for Leicester's likely title win? The momentum started at the back end of last season and really the current manager has had very little to do since. Because of Pearson's hot head then it would be a gamble, but I do think at least short term he would do the job.
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Runners and riders. (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager)
Brings it home to me just how few quality options we have
No just exposes how limited an imagination and knowledge the bookies and punters have. Petrov and Thierry Henry on the list? Really?
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Pearson is another gamble by the club, just as Remi, Sherwood, Lambert and McLeish were gambles. Our gambles have failed. The team that takes the field at the weekend is a monument to all these failed managers. A badly run club. Just get a manager in with experience, gravitas and a long term vision for the club. No gobshites. Pearson nearly had Leicester relegated before they went on that run to stay up. He is not what we need. He's another gamble.
But don't you think that he deserves credit for Leicester's likely title win? The momentum started at the back end of last season and really the current manager has had very little to do since. Because of Pearson's hot head then it would be a gamble, but I do think at least short term he would do the job.
No. Ranieri and the team deserve credit for that. Yes it's the team he put together and he deserves some credit for that. Do you honestly think that he is the best man to stabilise a big club like Villa, build a new squad and bring us back up next season and then build from that? The guy would be under the microscope here. Don't think it will work.
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Pearson will be announced once relegation is confirmed - insider tip off.
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If they really hurried the dismissal of Garde and didn't wait to see who was available in the summer just to bring Pearson in, then they're just as clueless as the old board
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Jesus wept. I hope that is not true. And so the cycle continues.....
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Pearson will be announced once relegation is confirmed - insider tip off.
Ah ok, the great inside no name, say no more, nudge nudge, wink wink tip. And what other gems has your insider bestowed upon you that he has nailed?
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There's only one man for the job
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Pearson will be announced once relegation is confirmed - insider tip off.
Ah ok, the great inside no name, say no more, nudge nudge, wink wink tip. And what other gems has your insider bestowed upon you that he has nailed?
Was it a Tweet?
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Go all out for Moyes as he is the best candidate we could hope for in our situation.
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no bob bradley on that list
that's a suprise
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Praying its Moyes
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Praying its Moyes
#prayingfordavid
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Pearson would completely crumble under the scrutiny here. As soon as he took a booing at a 0-0 against Rotherham or something he'd lose his shit and say something daft. We need someone who's strict, organised, structured and respected. Moyes.
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Praying its Moyes
#prayingfordavid
Moyesus?
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Pearson will be announced once relegation is confirmed - insider tip off.
Hopefully we'll have learnt from the last appointment that a manager and his trusted sidekicks need to be brought in as a team.
Pearson's are as likely to leave Leicester (where they've just earned new contracts) to join us as Garde's were to leave Lyon.
No thanks.
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How long has MON got on his Ireland contract?!
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Leave it, we've all had a drink...
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Grayson
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Someone asked MO'N if he'd be interested in returning at his Ireland press conference tonight. MO'N looked totally off guard and embarrassed. He's out of contract in the summer - just sayin'!
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Looking at the bookies list, not that they know anything, I hope more than ever that the board look further than the obvious (unless Moyes will come). The top 20 runners according to Betfair:
The only ones I'd even look at from the list:
Moyes, Warburton, Karanka
No thanks to:
Black, Bruce, Monk, MacDonald, Giggs, Dyche, McClaren, Lennon, Rowett, Southgate (although wouldn't mind him as Head of Football Ops), Poyet, McCoist, Davies, Hoddle and especially Nigel Pearson.
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I'd be happy to have John 'if I'd had a gun I'd have shot him' Gregory back to work with this squad.
If he had a gun.
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Someone asked MO'N if he'd be interested in returning at his Ireland press conference tonight. MO'N looked totally off guard and embarrassed. He's out of contract in the summer - just sayin'!
Burton and Taylor, Abramovitch and Mourinho, Lerner and that bespectatcled pube-headed ******. No ta!
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Pearson would completely crumble under the scrutiny here. As soon as he took a booing at a 0-0 against Rotherham or something he'd lose his shit and say something daft. We need someone who's strict, organised, structured and respected. Moyes.
Say something daft. Or murder a spectator.
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Pearson would completely crumble under the scrutiny here. As soon as he took a booing at a 0-0 against Rotherham or something he'd lose his shit and say something daft. We need someone who's strict, organised, structured and respected. Moyes.
We also need someone who can establish us back in the top flight when / if we go up. I think Moyes would be able to do that.
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Someone asked MO'N if he'd be interested in returning at his Ireland press conference tonight. MO'N looked totally off guard and embarrassed. He's out of contract in the summer - just sayin'!
What did he say?
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Moyes gets my vote and I hope he's getting a visit from Sir Brian soon. Just feels like right time all round for us and Moyes - perfect context for him to rebuild his reputation, perfect manager for us.
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Someone asked MO'N if he'd be interested in returning at his Ireland press conference tonight. MO'N looked totally off guard and embarrassed. He's out of contract in the summer - just sayin'!
What did he say?
How dare you. http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/video-how-dare-you-ask-me-that-martin-oneill-responds-to-question-on-aston-villa-job-34582904.html
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Someone asked MO'N if he'd be interested in returning at his Ireland press conference tonight. MO'N looked totally off guard and embarrassed. He's out of contract in the summer - just sayin'!
What did he say?
How dare you. http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/video-how-dare-you-ask-me-that-martin-oneill-responds-to-question-on-aston-villa-job-34582904.html
We can take that as a "no" then. ;D
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None of these managerial candidates inspire me to be honest.
Thing is,we aren't in the best of positions to be picky. Or are we? Moyes, I can see the attraction, but he seems so dour.
The chap at Burnley who sounds like he's swallowed a kilo of cigars-no thank you. Burnley were boring as fuck last season in the Premier League and I think we not only need promotion next year, but stability the year after next. He won't provide that in my opinion.
Pearson-no way. Fucking useless.
For me, Id go all out for Eddie Howe or Rodgers. They do know the Championship, were promoted playing good football, and they're not dour or one dimensional.
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What has to be factored into what happens to the next manager is the seething, volcanic anger of the fans that has been building to nuclear levels over the last five seasons. Well it has in me anyway.
As has just been said, wait until a 0-0 home draw against Rotherham full of floaty corners, sideways passing, Grealish posing and Gestede loping and the manager gets a booing. That is when you will find out whether the club has appointed the right manager. If it is Pearson they better keep a straight jacket in the dugout.
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nicely put Brian. I wanted DM last time out but was more than prepared to give Remi a chance. Sadly, the club decided not to give him one.
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My thoughts exactly Mr U. Villa need a new manager? The names that first have come to my mind for all the post MON period have been the 2 Ms - Moyes or Martinez. Garde seemed to be part of a long, long overdue attempt by the club at intelligent forward planning but we have reverted to type and scrabble about for the quick fix for the next crisis and the one after that.
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Pearson would completely crumble under the scrutiny here. As soon as he took a booing at a 0-0 against Rotherham or something he'd lose his shit and say something daft. We need someone who's strict, organised, structured and respected. Moyes.
We also need someone who can establish us back in the top flight when / if we go up. I think Moyes would be able to do that.
That's the main thing for me. It's not just getting back up quickly, it's staying up once we're there.
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Thing is, in the recent past the press have always been full of suggestions as to who would become manager when there was a vacancy. Quite often it was someone out of the blue entirely. Now that we're starting to build a proper board I wonder if that will still happen but I wouldn't be totally surprised at someone else who no one has heard of but maybe with the potential to be great.
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
agree with that
on the other hand if he doesnt he's seriously tarnished
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Pearson will be announced once relegation is confirmed - insider tip off.
Ah ok, the great inside no name, say no more, nudge nudge, wink wink tip. And what other gems has your insider bestowed upon you that he has nailed?
Lots actually. It's someone close to some players who wants to keep his job! It's been a badly kept secret since the 22nd. He didn't know Garde was leaving in the interim although I suppose it's not that surprising.
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Pearson will be announced once relegation is confirmed - insider tip off.
Ah ok, the great inside no name, say no more, nudge nudge, wink wink tip. And what other gems has your insider bestowed upon you that he has nailed?
Lots actually. It's someone close to some players who wants to keep his job! It's been a badly kept secret since the 22nd. He didn't know Garde was leaving in the interim although I suppose it's not that surprising.
In that case, since you've got an inside line, can you pass a message back the other way to say I don't want Pearson because he's an unhinged idiot? Thanks.
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Will if true it will be completely idiotic without his team
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What happens if the likes of Richards, Gabby, Bacuna, Guzan and Lescott don't like the new manager?
They appear to be the ones with all the power.
We just carry on the same I guess?
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If we are going to learn anything from the last couple of appointments, we should take our sweet time over this. We are down, that's a given, so there is nothing to save this season. Hopefully a lot of the deadwood (Richards, Lescott etc) will be off before they're home from the Emirates in May, so then is the time to rebuild. I don't want any new manager involved in our current setup. Let it finish dying, then come in and start again.
And please, please, please not Pearson.
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None of these managerial candidates inspire me to be honest.
Thing is,we aren't in the best of positions to be picky. Or are we? Moyes, I can see the attraction, but he seems so dour.
The chap at Burnley who sounds like he's swallowed a kilo of cigars-no thank you. Burnley were boring as fuck last season in the Premier League and I think we not only need promotion next year, but stability the year after next. He won't provide that in my opinion.
Pearson-no way. Fucking useless.
For me, Id go all out for Eddie Howe or Rodgers. They do know the Championship, were promoted playing good football, and they're not dour or one dimensional.
You seriously think the likes of Eddie Howe would leave a premiership role to take over the gave yard of managing Villa? It makes no sens for him to leave.
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Surely if so many of us can see vPearson would be a disaster then the new people at the top will too. Bernstein just doesn't strike me as the type that would get on with Pearson! Hope he is going to Boro and bobcat's mustard is frankly full of shit
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I know that they're not going to let the fans appoint the new guy. However, they need to ensure the new chap has fans on his side from day one. Not sure Pearson would tick that box.
Although a large part of me would want to be a fly on the wall when he confronts the work shy gobshites in the team.
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What happens if the likes of Richards, Gabby, Bacuna, Guzan and Lescott don't like the new manager?
They appear to be the ones with all the power.
We just carry on the same I guess?
well we need to get rid of agbonlahor , otherwise no it wont . The problem is some idiot gave him a juicy contract.
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Hopefully the new board will act sensibly and Moyes will see it as a great opportunity to reinvigorate a club that should be performing much better than it is.
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Hopefully the new board will act sensibly and Moyes will see it as a great opportunity to reinvigorate a club that should be performing much better than it is.
Agreed and I'm get him in now if possible. We're virtually down, any new manager knows that but at least it gives him a few games to have a look at the players and decide which one's need pursuading to stay and which one's can go, then he can build from there.
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I don't think anyone we are chasing would particularly want to come in before the end of the season just so that they can distance themselves from having anything to do with our relegation.
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
Agreed. Allardyce took the same risk when taking the West Ham job in the Championship and it worked well for both parties.
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I don't think anyone we are chasing would particularly want to come in before the end of the season just so that they can distance themselves from having anything to do with our relegation.
Yes, you could see an announcement stating X person has a greed to take over at the end of the season and use the time between now and then to assess the squad etc.
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I know press pre match chats with media dont mean too much but having watched lots of Pearsons at Leicester there is something very unsavoury about him, just got a gut feeling that he is wrong for us, I think Moyes is a good fit for us and him.
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I also think appointing him further alienates a fan base they are desperate to re-connect with.
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I don't think anyone we are chasing would particularly want to come in before the end of the season just so that they can distance themselves from having anything to do with our relegation.
I think you are correct here but there is nothing to stop someone agreeing to take over, watch all the videos of every match, even maybe attend some away matches as a "friend of someone at the home club", have his backroom staff lined up and watching our matches and other matches to scout possible signings etc. That way they would hit the ground running and have things all ready to be signed up to on the day they sit before the TV cameras.
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I don't think anyone we are chasing would particularly want to come in before the end of the season just so that they can distance themselves from having anything to do with our relegation.
I think you are correct here but there is nothing to stop someone agreeing to take over, watch all the videos of every match, even maybe attend some away matches as a "friend of someone at the home club", have his backroom staff lined up and watching our matches and other matches to scout possible signings etc. That way they would hit the ground running and have things all ready to be signed up to on the day they sit before the TV cameras.
I would look at it the other way. If it were me, I would want to be in there now. 7-8 games to watch them play, 8 weeks to watch training, enough time to assess the players there, decide who is worth keeping and who needs to be got rid of before the summer starts so there is no time wasted waiting for them to come back. The season starts a week or so earlier in the Championship too so the summer will be shorter in terms of preparation time.
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Pearson could be the best manager we've ever had, who knows what he'll be like. But, if we have a superior alternative, ie. Moyes. Then it had to be Moyes. This appointment has to be spot on. If the cycle continues and Pearson is another disaster, we could end up like Forest, Wednesday or Leeds.
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Pearson is a twat. I don't care how good or bad he is as a manager, his utter twatness should stop him ever being employed by Aston Villa in any capacity.
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Correct. And because I really don't want him is precisely why I'm more or less certain we'll get him. Villa don't do good news.
The only thing worse would be Di Nazio or Bigot Hoddle.
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Correct. And because I really don't want him I precisely why I'm more or less certain we'll get him. Villa don't do good news.
The only thing worse would be Di Nazio or Bigot Hoddle.
My over riding fear too
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I think Pearson is slightly damaged goods. His name will put players off when we are trying to make signings because he is known for being mental and has lost a lot of respect despite his achievements at Leicester.
I can't really think of an outstanding candidate. I understand the clamour for Moyes but the guy has failed at his last two jobs and I wonder how great his motivation will be. I would love Eddie Howe but there is no way he is going to jump ship with Bournemouth certain the stay up. What he has done there is remarkable, click through the squad on Wikipedia and see how many of them were lower league journeymen who have been heavily polished. But with Howe not an option, I can't say I am overly enamoured with any of the British names being mentioned.
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The last two managers tasked with winning Villa promotion succeeded at the their first attempt and eventually took us to 2nd and 1st in the top division.
It's a big challenge but a very attractive one to try and emulate them.
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Pat Murphy says Moyes is interested in talks with us....get SBL and Bernstein in a row with him and see what happens.
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Pearson could be the best manager we've ever had,
Win the League by more than 4 points ? Win the European Cup final more than 1-0 ?
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There are 3 'factions' in the squad. The French players, the championship standard/youth system players and the big 'I was's' (Lescott, Richards, Sinclair, Gabby, Nzogbia)
The new manager will have to turn things around using the middle group and a really good U21 squad. This will suit Pearson.
Moyes would want the money from the sale of Richards, Lescott, Amavi, Bacuna, Okore, Veretout, Sanchez, Ayew, Kozak et al.
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How will that suit Pearson better than Moyes? Pearson had a fair amount of money at Leicester, probably more leeway than Moyes at Everton.
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Does Moyes get on with Lescott? I wonder if he might be tempted to keep him as he knows him or get rid of him if bitter about the manner of his departure from Everton?
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I'd be very disappointed if Pearson took over especially with Moyes out of work and interested in the job. We've got a chance to prove to fans that we still have ambition for the club and get the fans back onside again. Employing Pearson would send out all the wrong messages yet again.
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I'd be very disappointed if Pearson took over especially with Moyes out of work and interested in the job. We've got a chance to prove to fans that we still have ambition for the club and get the fans back inside. Employing Pearson would send out all the wrong messages yet again.
I think the shitbags would love him though, they would stroke his ego and get him onside
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Please not Pearson.
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Pearson is another gamble by the club, just as Remi, Sherwood, Lambert and McLeish were gambles. Our gambles have failed. The team that takes the field at the weekend is a monument to all these failed managers. A badly run club. Just get a manager in with experience, gravitas and a long term vision for the club. No gobshites. Pearson nearly had Leicester relegated before they went on that run to stay up. He is not what we need. He's another gamble.
But don't you think that he deserves credit for Leicester's likely title win? The momentum started at the back end of last season and really the current manager has had very little to do since. Because of Pearson's hot head then it would be a gamble, but I do think at least short term he would do the job.
No. Ranieri and the team deserve credit for that. Yes it's the team he put together and he deserves some credit for that. Do you honestly think that he is the best man to stabilise a big club like Villa, build a new squad and bring us back up next season and then build from that? The guy would be under the microscope here. Don't think it will work.
No, I tend to agree that Moyes is, just don't know how likely we are to get him. Pearson might be a good short term option, but then because of his tempament there is always that chance that he would blow up after a few months. You do make a good point about the pressure being increased on him in the Villa job. There are pros and cons to his appointment I think.
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The thing with Moyes, and i keep saying this, is you would hope he'd be able to come in and make demands for agreeing to come here. I don't want a manager who say targets Barry(as an example) only for the board and Reilly to say, "We can't afford him, here's Rudi Guayno, Ghanian U21 from French side St Laurent Blanc, will be as good as Barry in 3 years time". That's my main problem with Pearson, he may not have the clout to get control of the transfers. Whoever comes in MUST be given that control.
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ABP!
Anyone but Pearson/Pulis/Pubehead/Pardew
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Moyse favourite??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3514552/Remi-Garde-leaves-Aston-Villa-mutual-consent-disastrous-four-month-reign.html
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The thing with Moyes, and i keep saying this, is you would hope he'd be able to come in and make demands for agreeing to come here. I don't want a manager who say targets Barry(as an example) only for the board and Reilly to say, "We can't afford him, here's Rudi Guayno, Ghanian U21 from French side St Laurent Blanc, will be as good as Barry in 3 years time". That's my main problem with Pearson, he may not have the clout to get control of the transfers. Whoever comes in MUST be given that control.
Absolutely this !!!
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The thing with Moyes, and i keep saying this, is you would hope he'd be able to come in and make demands for agreeing to come here. I don't want a manager who say targets Barry(as an example) only for the board and Reilly to say, "We can't afford him, here's Rudi Guayno, Ghanian U21 from French side St Laurent Blanc, will be as good as Barry in 3 years time". That's my main problem with Pearson, he may not have the clout to get control of the transfers. Whoever comes in MUST be given that control.
Do you really think Reilly will be here next season? I don't.
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The thing with Moyes, and i keep saying this, is you would hope he'd be able to come in and make demands for agreeing to come here. I don't want a manager who say targets Barry(as an example) only for the board and Reilly to say, "We can't afford him, here's Rudi Guayno, Ghanian U21 from French side St Laurent Blanc, will be as good as Barry in 3 years time". That's my main problem with Pearson, he may not have the clout to get control of the transfers. Whoever comes in MUST be given that control.
Agreed, but then i think of Moyes spending £27M on Felliani
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The thing with Moyes, and i keep saying this, is you would hope he'd be able to come in and make demands for agreeing to come here. I don't want a manager who say targets Barry(as an example) only for the board and Reilly to say, "We can't afford him, here's Rudi Guayno, Ghanian U21 from French side St Laurent Blanc, will be as good as Barry in 3 years time". That's my main problem with Pearson, he may not have the clout to get control of the transfers. Whoever comes in MUST be given that control.
Do you really think Reilly will be here next season? I don't.
Doesn't really matter if its Reilly or someone else doing the role. Every manager here since Lambert at least has made noises about not getting the players they wanted. Obviously if a player is out of our budget and the club says no, then a Manager has to get on with it. My problem is i feel a lot of our transfers weren't so much governed by affordability but Value for Money. i.e., why pay 10m and 45k a week for the 29 year old when you can get a 22 year old for 25k a week AND he could be worth double in 3 years time. Well as we've seen with some of our signings this summer, 3 years time is a long way away.
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Moyse favourite??
#link to Daily Heil removed #
I have improved your post Olaftab.
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Fellaini was very good for him at Everton. Or think of Arteta for £2m and Cahill for £1.5m. I'm not a massive Moyes fan, but like all managers he signed some very good players, and some turkeys.
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Pearson is knob. No back room staff, a PR disaster in the media, and aside from a 7 game run hìs record is as uninspiring as the twats we've already got rid of.
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In the circumstances I think we'd do very well to get Moyes, I'd be delighted with him especially if Pearson is the alternative.
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If the credentials of Bevington as provided in the Daily Heil are any reflection of his abilities, I'm not sure this bloke will be advising us in the right direction.
Bevington was involved in the appointment of Roy Hodgson as England manager and would advise on a successor to Garde.
He has been working as advisor to Nottingham Forest
Not the greatest advert for success.
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I'm wondering if Chris Coleman could be a dark horse. Moyes has to be first choice, it's whether he'd take it.
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In the circumstances I think we'd do very well to get Moyes, I'd be delighted with him especially if Pearson is the alternative.
I agree. What we need now is someone serious, sober, and not an unhinged maniac.
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No love for Brenda Rodgers? He may be going back to Swansea, but he seems to tick a few boxes.
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Gareth Southgate would be my early prediction.
Could keep on with the U21s.
Brian Little's Captain.
Ex Villa player. Seems a nice guy.
If Moyes wants it it's his though.
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Despite all these football people involved at board level or as advisors, I see Lerner still has to approve the choice of manager. What's the point of paying these people and not accepting their advice. It's not as if Lerner has a great record to date for choosing his managers.
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In the circumstances I think we'd do very well to get Moyes, I'd be delighted with him especially if Pearson is the alternative.
I agree. What we need now is someone serious, sober, and not an unhinged maniac.
No, we need someone who can get us out of the second division at the first attempt. Character traits aren't important to me. We'd probably never have appointed Ron Saunders if we'd specified a certain type of personality to replace Vic Crowe.
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Whoever it is, I would venture to suggest that this is the most important managerial appointment since the last time we were relegated. Get this one wrong and the direction of the club for the next decade or so will be set. The Championship (and below) is awash with so-called big clubs who through poor management from the boardroom level downwards have been out of the top flight for years.
For me I think the man is Moyes. But then again, I was lauding Lambert as the replacement for both MON and Houllier. Shows how much I know...
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In the circumstances I think we'd do very well to get Moyes, I'd be delighted with him especially if Pearson is the alternative.
I agree. What we need now is someone serious, sober, and not an unhinged maniac.
No, we need someone who can get us out of the second division at the first attempt. Character traits aren't important to me. We'd probably never have appointed Ron Saunders if we'd specified a certain type of personality to replace Vic Crowe.
I don't think a manager's personality is irrelevant to his chances of success. We need to restore sanity and grownupness, and the absolute last thing we need is an unstable 'character' having all sorts of rucks and brawls and meltdowns about the place.
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so Moyes it is then
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In the circumstances I think we'd do very well to get Moyes, I'd be delighted with him especially if Pearson is the alternative.
I agree. What we need now is someone serious, sober, and not an unhinged maniac.
No, we need someone who can get us out of the second division at the first attempt. Character traits aren't important to me. We'd probably never have appointed Ron Saunders if we'd specified a certain type of personality to replace Vic Crowe.
I don't think a manager's personality is irrelevant to his chances of success. We need to restore sanity and grownupness, and the absolute last thing we need is an unstable 'character' having all sorts of rucks and brawls and meltdowns about the place.
I seem to remember Moyes giving one of his Preston players a good hiding a few years ago. I'd still take him though. Like I say, all that matters is getting promotion next season.
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Danny Brown wants MON back
I'm not telling him he's wrong
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Someone asked MO'N if he'd be interested in returning at his Ireland press conference tonight. MO'N looked totally off guard and embarrassed. He's out of contract in the summer - just sayin'!
What did he say?
Well I umm...errr..well..errr
*pushes glasses up bridge of nose*
uhm...errr.yes well no I errr...
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Danny Brown wants MON back
I'm not telling him he's wrong
Haha Tell Danny to get a life.
I want Brian Little with John Gregory but it ain't gonna happen either.
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No love for Brenda Rodgers? He may be going back to Swansea, but he seems to tick a few boxes.
Id be happy with Rodgers. Plays good attractive football.
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If we go for anyone else and it fails, we'd never hear the end of 'we should have got Moyes while we had the chance'.
The only one downside to him is that he hasn't managed in the championship for a fair while, although there are some manager's who haven't or hadn't managed there at all and have still done a reasonable job. The upside is that he'd be ideal if we get back up. Let's just hope the stories that he want's it are true.
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Ideally we get someone in as soon as possible, so a proper assessment can be done, but more importantly it has to be the right man and if that takes them weeks, months, so be it.
No future employer off our next manager, after we have finished with him, can taint him with relegation, if they know anything about football, we have been in intensive care for years, it wont be the next manager that has pulled the plug, that honour belongs to our absent owner.
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No love for Brenda Rodgers? He may be going back to Swansea, but he seems to tick a few boxes.
Id be happy with Rodgers. Plays good attractive football.
I'd be happy with with him too.
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If we go for anyone else and it fails, we'd never hear the end of 'we should have got Moyes while we had the chance'.
The only one downside to him is that he hasn't managed in the championship for a fair while, although there are some manager's who haven't or hadn't managed there at all and have still done a reasonable job. The upside is that he'd be ideal if we get back up. Let's just hope the stories that he want's it are true.
Going along with the 'hasn't managed in the championship' vibe, he also has never been promoted out of it, as my Baggies mate just reminded me of. Here's hoping he gets the job and that there's a first time for everything!
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No love for Brenda Rodgers? He may be going back to Swansea, but he seems to tick a few boxes.
Id be happy with Rodgers. Plays good attractive football.
I'd be happy with with him too.
Sorry not for me. He was awful at Reading not just Liverpool.
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No love for Brenda Rodgers? He may be going back to Swansea, but he seems to tick a few boxes.
Id be happy with Rodgers. Plays good attractive football.
I'd be happy with with him too.
I'd be concerned with him that he wasn't just a fortunate manager who was in the right place at the right time with both Swansea (heading in an upwards direction post Martinez laying foundations), and having a superstar scoring fuckloads of goals at Liverpool. Christ, we even beat them 2 or 3 times under Lambert at Anfield when he was there.
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
Agreed. Allardyce took the same risk when taking the West Ham job in the Championship and it worked well for both parties.
I'd hope we'd have the ambition to get rid of Moyes once we're up and safe. He may be the right man for a quick fix but he's got his limitations. Allardyce got them up to 12th but West Ham had the ambition to know with the right man they could push on.
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
Agreed. Allardyce took the same risk when taking the West Ham job in the Championship and it worked well for both parties.
I'd hope we'd have the ambition to get rid of Moyes once we're up and safe. He may be the right man for a quick fix but he's got his limitations. Allardyce got them up to 12th but West Ham had the ambition to know with the right man they could push on.
Are you really sacking him before he's joined?
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
Agreed. Allardyce took the same risk when taking the West Ham job in the Championship and it worked well for both parties.
I'd hope we'd have the ambition to get rid of Moyes once we're up and safe. He may be the right man for a quick fix but he's got his limitations. Allardyce got them up to 12th but West Ham had the ambition to know with the right man they could push on.
Are you really sacking him before he's joined?
Yup. Why, am I not allowed to?
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
Agreed. Allardyce took the same risk when taking the West Ham job in the Championship and it worked well for both parties.
I'd hope we'd have the ambition to get rid of Moyes once we're up and safe. He may be the right man for a quick fix but he's got his limitations. Allardyce got them up to 12th but West Ham had the ambition to know with the right man they could push on.
Are you really sacking him before he's joined?
Yup. Why, am I not allowed to?
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as after last years promotion he's got us in the top 10 on a shoestring and we've dot a decent chance of a UEFA place next year.
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
Agreed. Allardyce took the same risk when taking the West Ham job in the Championship and it worked well for both parties.
I'd hope we'd have the ambition to get rid of Moyes once we're up and safe. He may be the right man for a quick fix but he's got his limitations. Allardyce got them up to 12th but West Ham had the ambition to know with the right man they could push on.
Are you really sacking him before he's joined?
Yup. Why, am I not allowed to?
No, this is Randy Learner's Villa after all. If he gets up promoted he will be rewarded with a new 25 year contract.
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In an ideal world whoever it is doesn't get a 4 year deal we end up terminating after 2 years or less because we've outgrown them or they turn out to be bobbins like the last 5 have. Not sure who'd come in on a rolling 1 year deal with maybe an option after 12 months to change to a 2 or 3 year deal, we just can't afford to get this one so horribly wrong again.
Moyes or Rodgers in that order for me I think. If Pearson even gets interviewed then I really worry about where we're headed.
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
Agreed. Allardyce took the same risk when taking the West Ham job in the Championship and it worked well for both parties.
I'd hope we'd have the ambition to get rid of Moyes once we're up and safe. He may be the right man for a quick fix but he's got his limitations. Allardyce got them up to 12th but West Ham had the ambition to know with the right man they could push on.
Are you really sacking him before he's joined?
Yup. Why, am I not allowed to?
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as after last years promotion he's got us in the top 10 on a shoestring and we've dot a decent chance of a UEFA place next year.
That all sounds very MON. Now there was a manager with serious limitations that we should have thanked and replaced a couple of years before he ran away.
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
Agreed. Allardyce took the same risk when taking the West Ham job in the Championship and it worked well for both parties.
I'd hope we'd have the ambition to get rid of Moyes once we're up and safe. He may be the right man for a quick fix but he's got his limitations. Allardyce got them up to 12th but West Ham had the ambition to know with the right man they could push on.
Are you really sacking him before he's joined?
Yup. Why, am I not allowed to?
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as after last years promotion he's got us in the top 10 on a shoestring and we've dot a decent chance of a UEFA place next year.
That all sounds very MON. Now there was a manager with serious limitations that we should have thanked and replaced a couple of years before he ran away.
Right now a top 6 spot sounds like dreamland to me and I'll take it.
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
Agreed. Allardyce took the same risk when taking the West Ham job in the Championship and it worked well for both parties.
I'd hope we'd have the ambition to get rid of Moyes once we're up and safe. He may be the right man for a quick fix but he's got his limitations. Allardyce got them up to 12th but West Ham had the ambition to know with the right man they could push on.
I agree. Sacking him after a mid table finish in our first season back in the top flight is just what he deserves.
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It would be utterly mental to do that, and the fact that so far it has worked out for West Ham doesn't at guarantee it would work again.
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
Agreed. Allardyce took the same risk when taking the West Ham job in the Championship and it worked well for both parties.
I'd hope we'd have the ambition to get rid of Moyes once we're up and safe. He may be the right man for a quick fix but he's got his limitations. Allardyce got them up to 12th but West Ham had the ambition to know with the right man they could push on.
I agree. Sacking him after a mid table finish in our first season back in the top flight is just what he deserves.
It not what he deserves, it what we deserve. If our ambition is to be a midtable team forever Moyes is the man. We've been far too loyal to managers that only delivered the minimum of what we could expect.
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
Agreed. Allardyce took the same risk when taking the West Ham job in the Championship and it worked well for both parties.
I'd hope we'd have the ambition to get rid of Moyes once we're up and safe. He may be the right man for a quick fix but he's got his limitations. Allardyce got them up to 12th but West Ham had the ambition to know with the right man they could push on.
Are you really sacking him before he's joined?
Yup. Why, am I not allowed to?
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as after last years promotion he's got us in the top 10 on a shoestring and we've dot a decent chance of a UEFA place next year.
That all sounds very MON. Now there was a manager with serious limitations that we should have thanked and replaced a couple of years before he ran away.
Right now a top 6 spot sounds like dreamland to me and I'll take it.
You missed out your two trips to Wembley.
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
Agreed. Allardyce took the same risk when taking the West Ham job in the Championship and it worked well for both parties.
I'd hope we'd have the ambition to get rid of Moyes once we're up and safe. He may be the right man for a quick fix but he's got his limitations. Allardyce got them up to 12th but West Ham had the ambition to know with the right man they could push on.
I agree. Sacking him after a mid table finish in our first season back in the top flight is just what he deserves.
It not what he deserves, it what we deserve. If our ambition is to be a midtable team forever Moyes is the man. We've been far too loyal to managers that only delivered the minimum of what we could expect.
When we are floundering at the bottom of the league probably heading for the worst points total since the PL began with a shambolic squad of misfiring players, you think turning that round instant promotion and mid table safety is the least we can expect? I would say it is the most we could possibly hope for. Honestly, you are coming across as absolutely nuts.
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Hang on this has moved on a bit. Are you really suggesting that in the unlikely event of Villa getting promoted at the first attempt and then even more unlikely event of us securing a mid table finish the following season we should then sack the manager responsible?
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I'll say one thing, if Moyes wants a decent way to rebuild his reputation, then getting us promoted quickly and even mid tablish would be an obvious way of doing it.
Agreed. Allardyce took the same risk when taking the West Ham job in the Championship and it worked well for both parties.
I'd hope we'd have the ambition to get rid of Moyes once we're up and safe. He may be the right man for a quick fix but he's got his limitations. Allardyce got them up to 12th but West Ham had the ambition to know with the right man they could push on.
I agree. Sacking him after a mid table finish in our first season back in the top flight is just what he deserves.
It not what he deserves, it what we deserve. If our ambition is to be a midtable team forever Moyes is the man. We've been far too loyal to managers that only delivered the minimum of what we could expect.
In fairness Moyes had Everton above mid-table on a regular basis and in any case given where we are at the moment I'd say regular mid-table finishes would be pretty ambitious.
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I'm going to write an open letter to the board deploring their lack of ambition at a mid-table PL finish in 2018. Little out !
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With Moyes Everton were regularly challenging for the European positions. That looks a million miles away from where we are now so he'll do for me. As has been suggested this would be a good way to recover the pedigree of both the club and the manager.
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First unconfirmed reports are indicating a shortlist of two, which is at least a 100% improvement over the last one. You can guess the two.
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Trevor Francis and Robbie Savage ?
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First unconfirmed reports are indicating a shortlist of two, which is at least a 100% improvement over the last one. You can guess the two.
Laurel and Hardy?
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Cheech and Chong
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When we are floundering at the bottom of the league probably heading for the worst points total since the PL began with a shambolic squad of misfiring players, you think turning that round instant promotion and mid table safety is the least we can expect? I would say it is the most we could possibly hope for. Honestly, you are coming across as absolutely nuts.
Maybe I've a little more confidence in the club than some, not to mention ambition.
CJ, first, I don't see the "unlikely event of Villa getting promoted at the first attempt", I expect it. If we get our house in order and it certainly looks like we are, I see no reason not to expect it. Right now we need a manager to do a specific job, once that job is complete we move onto the next project, a more ambitious job. Horses for courses.
TV, Watford don't seem to have suffered too much either. "Utterly mental" is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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When we are floundering at the bottom of the league probably heading for the worst points total since the PL began with a shambolic squad of misfiring players, you think turning that round instant promotion and mid table safety is the least we can expect? I would say it is the most we could possibly hope for. Honestly, you are coming across as absolutely nuts.
Maybe I've a little more confidence in the club than some, not to mention ambition.
CJ, first, I don't see the "unlikely event of Villa getting promoted at the first attempt", I expect it. If we get our house in order and it certainly looks like we are, I see no reason not to expect it. Right now we need a manager to do a specific job, once that job is complete we move onto the next project, a more ambitious job. Horses for courses.
TV, Watford don't seem to have suffered too much either. "Utterly mental" is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
But Moyes wouldn't be a 'horses for courses' promotion manager, he'd be there to get us up to the top end of the league.
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I'm far from being the biggest fan of Moyes, but suggesting his ceiling is mid table is a tad bizarre imo. By my reckoning his full seasons at Everton were 7th, 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th. One mid table finish and one shit season.
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When we are floundering at the bottom of the league probably heading for the worst points total since the PL began with a shambolic squad of misfiring players, you think turning that round instant promotion and mid table safety is the least we can expect? I would say it is the most we could possibly hope for. Honestly, you are coming across as absolutely nuts.
Maybe I've a little more confidence in the club than some, not to mention ambition.
CJ, first, I don't see the "unlikely event of Villa getting promoted at the first attempt", I expect it. If we get our house in order and it certainly looks like we are, I see no reason not to expect it. Right now we need a manager to do a specific job, once that job is complete we move onto the next project, a more ambitious job. Horses for courses.
TV, Watford don't seem to have suffered too much either. "Utterly mental" is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
But Moyes wouldn't be a 'horses for courses' promotion manager, he'd be there to get us up to the top end of the league.
And Martin O'Neill will get us in the Champions League, we just need to give him more money.
I'm not saying Moyes couldn't do a decent job, he probably could, the problem is with so much money in the PL clubs are hiring the best. That's something that will only continue and expand as the new TV deal attracts the best from around the world.
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Moyse favourite??
#link to Daily Heil removed #
I have improved your post Olaftab.
Thank you. I have a habit of posting crap quite regularly!
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I'm far from being the biggest fan of Moyes, but suggesting his ceiling is mid table is a tad bizarre imo. By my reckoning his full seasons at Everton were 7th, 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th. One mid table finish and one shit season.
We'd snap his hand off for that shit season!
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I'm far from being the biggest fan of Moyes, but suggesting his ceiling is mid table is a tad bizarre imo. By my reckoning his full seasons at Everton were 7th, 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th. One mid table finish and one shit season.
I'm not saying his ceiling is midtable, I'm saying why waste time waiting around until he hits his obvious ceiling when there are better options available.. and there will be. Back in 2004/2005 he did amazingly to pip us to get Everton into the Champions League but they were knocked out in the qualifiers, losing both games to Villareal. He then managed to lose again at first attempt in the UEFA Cup. Horses for courses?
Should he turn up at Villa Park obviously I hope he proves me wrong. Whoever comes in will need to hit the ground running as the longer we stay out of the PL the tougher it will be to actually stay there once we're up. It's going to be sad but interesting to see how much is spent with the new TV deal.
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Who are the better options than Moyes?
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We were 10th in 2005. I always thought their 4th that season was a bit flukey, they had a minus GD as an example.
We've finished higher than 6th five times in over 80 years, as we head to Division 2 with no manager and one of the worst seasons in our history I think it's a bit premature to be worrying about whether the next manager can make it 6 in 90 years or will level out in 6th place.
And I agree, it will be shit but interesting, in a depressing way most likely.
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First unconfirmed reports are indicating a shortlist of two, which is at least a 100% improvement over the last one. You can guess the two.
Phats and Small?
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Who are the better options than Moyes?
As chairman and Chief Cheerleader of his Official Fan club you'll never agree no matter who I mention. ;)
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Cannon and Ball?
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Barry Fry and Trevor Francis?
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Ant and Dec?
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Chaka Demus & Pliers ?
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Bibs & Cones?
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Who are the better options than Moyes?
Gary Rowett
If he can organize a rabble of misfits destined for relegation and them bring them to the brink of the play offs think what he could do with a bit of money? Not a lot of money mind.
He knows the Championship too better than Moyes.
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Me and Mrs Jones.
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Me and Mrs Jones.
Leave it! She's mine.
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Me and Mrs Jones.
Leave it! She's mine.
Oi, what you doin' lookin at my missus?
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Me and Mrs Jones.
Leave it! She's mine.
Oi, what you doin' lookin at my missus?
We got a thing goin' on.
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Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey.
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Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey.
Dassey would still not be as suggestible an assistant manager as Phil Neal.
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Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey.
Tex Avery and Fred Quimby...
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It's between me and Moyesy in Little's selection process.
I've won the wet t-shirt competition, it's arm wrestling next followed by a thumb war.
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Brendan Dassey has the big advantage of mastery of the technique of guessing the answers to challenging questions.
Why is the chief scout living in Australia?
Yeah.
Why didn't Paddy Reilly actually speak to players Garde wanted?
Sure.
Perfect fit for our way of doing things.