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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: MadKev on March 02, 2016, 10:07:53 AM
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We, myself included were all laughing at our neighbours when they got TP. But, who honestly, would take him now?
I would, in a heartbeat, They played some good stuff at our place at the start of the season, looked great on Sky against Palace and last night they really gave Leicester a good go.
I think that when he has the right players, he could do a terrific job anywhere.
I like Garde but his record is horse & it's not like he's only had a few games to save us.
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Not I sir.
Who would he continually compare our stats with - Blose? Dingles?
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We took a point off Leicester too remember. WBA are dreadful to watch, full of horrible horrible players and barely register a shot on goal. Alex Ferguson wouldn't have been able to save this sack of shit we've got for a team.
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Only if the alternative was Billy Davies or Nigel Pearson.
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No. I never want to see that man as our manager. He's worse than TSM.
We need to appoint a visionary, someone akin to SGT mk I. Problem is I don't know who that person is or if they would want to come to AVFC, even for the "challenge" of rebuilding the club.
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I seem to remember lots of Albion fans moaning about him and praying he'd leave at the end of the season as recently as a couple of weeks back, so I'm guessing all is not well there with his management and playing style. Plus looking at the lack of full houses they get under him in a tiny stadium it can't be very entertaining, I'll pass on Pulis.
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As depressing as things are, Pulis is probably the only man I would never want to see managing our club.
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Not me either. Whilst we are in an awful state at the moment, the thin hope that I'm clinging to is that when we do hit our low point, the way back begins through defiance and guts and a Villa identity I can relate to. That will include ugly football at times but not the mind numbing sterility of most of Pulis' strategy.
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Never in a million years. Him being our manager is one of the very few things that could make me stop going to games. I hate his anti-football. And his baseball cap. And his accent.
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Never.
What's the point? Horrible turgid anti-football.
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Me neither.
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Er... no.
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As embarrassed as I feel about the way Villa are playing at the moment, it would fade into insignificance if I had to watch us play under Pulis
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Never in a million years. Him being our manager is one of the very few things that could make me stop going to games. I hate his anti-football. And his baseball cap. And his accent.
Same here - him or Pearson would have me seriously considering my plans for weekends in the future
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Pulis is exactly what we needed. A sgt major type to crack the whip and bark at them all day long in training. Instead we appoint a thoughtful introvert.
It amazes me how snobbish fans can be regarding managers and their perceived style of play. If you have decent players then you can knock it around. When you have really poor players the only real way to play is the Pulis way. At least he has a plan he sticks to.
Whats gardes plan? 5 at the back last night wasn't it?
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I don't see how having Pulis would help us. Garde has been shit on and just looks shell-shocked at the moment.
On a tangent, it made me laugh when Pep Guardiola said he was going to Man City as a challenge. He doesn't know the meaning of the word. If he wants a challenge he knows where to come.
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We don't have a style of play anyway, pointless football that produces pointless results.
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We could do worse, but we could also do better.
I'd rather not touch him with a bargepole. Whatever manager we have had though would have to deal with the bunglecunts above him though, so...
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The answer to the question is not me.
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What would be the point? He might keep us up the one season but then we'd all be moaning at his terrible football by the October of the next season (and rightly so).
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I don't see how having Pulis would help us. Garde has been shit on and just looks shell-shocked at the moment.
On a tangent, it made me laugh when Pep Guardiola said he was going to Man City as a challenge. He doesn't know the meaning of the word. If he wants a challenge he knows where to come.
And he could at least say he was coming to a team who have won the European Cup!
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Only if the alternative was Billy Davies or Nigel Pearson.
This. Although even then it might be a worryingly close call.
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If this morphs into a potential new manager thread, I'll say no to Pulis, Hoddle, Allardyce, Pearson and Di Mario.
Albion play awful football. They played Peterborough and it was like West Brom were the lower league side, desperately trying to scrape through with horrible, anti-football tactics. Stoke are way better off without him. Depending on who Baggies appoint when he leaves, they may be too.
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'Yes we all know that Lerner wants to sell but can't.'
Anything can be sold its just a question of agreeing a price.
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A definite no to Pulis.
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You should talk to two of my 6th Formers who have season tickets down WBA. They generally look more depressed than I do (though not today after the last couple of games). Obviously they're taking the mickey because we're going down, but they really hate Pulis and are always complaining how mind-numbingly dull it is. After the game against us, they were almost inconsolable with how depressed they were.
(I'm on my 10 minute lunch break!)
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As for my thoughts, no, would never want Pulis. Or Allardyce. Or anyone of that ilk.
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Pulis? Absolutely no fucking way! The man's "style" of football is an abomination; I'd rather be entertained in the third division, than bored shitless by a team of his cloggers in the first!
Aston Villa needs to find somewhere quiet to reset and stabilise - hopefully, with a different owner and staff. Pulis' turgid horse-shit would have either no effect or even make things worse.
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You should talk to two of my 6th Formers who have season tickets down WBA. They generally look more depressed than I do (though not today after the last couple of games). Obviously they're taking the mickey because we're going down, but they really hate Pulis and are always complaining how mind-numbingly dull it is. After the game against us, they were almost inconsolable with how depressed they were.
(I'm on my 10 minute lunch break!)
10 minutes!
Get some marking done, you lazy git!
(And it's a NOT ME from...er...me!)
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Only if the alternative was Billy Davies or Nigel Pearson.
Don't think either would come to us anyway. Villa is a total basket case. Why not have an angry Scot or a nutcase though? Would add to the soap opera.
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'Yes we all know that Lerner wants to sell but can't.'
Anything can be sold its just a question of agreeing a price.
You really think selling a football club is that simple?
As for Pulis, no.
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We don't have the players to play the Pulis way. We have half a Lambert team and half a Sherwood team... with a pinch of McLeish to add spice.
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Bitter Bird Alert.
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No thanks.
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NO. The more awful we get the better managers Pulis and Big Sam become.
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Bringing Pulis in only works if he would agree to a very short term fire fighting type of deal. If we were sat in 16th spot and leaking goals, he'd come in teach us how to park the bus, get enough draws to stay up. However the subsequent years we'd become what Albion are now or Stoke were. Miserable, eye bleeding kick, pull, tug, hoof it to big blokes football that you'd not want to pay to go and see. So I'll pass.
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We, myself included were all laughing at our neighbours when they got TP. But, who honestly, would take him now?
I would, in a heartbeat, They played some good stuff at our place at the start of the season, looked great on Sky against Palace and last night they really gave Leicester a good go.
I think that when he has the right players, he could do a terrific job anywhere.
I like Garde but his record is horse & it's not like he's only had a few games to save us.
We know what you are. The praising of Albion's quality of football gave it away. Subtle as a house brick.
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'Yes we all know that Lerner wants to sell but can't.'
Anything can be sold its just a question of agreeing a price.
You really think selling a football club is that simple?
As for Pulis, no.
He could sell it to Carsen Yeungs less scrupulous brother* for a nice haircut, but we'd be even deeper in the shit than we are right now.
* I've no idea if Carsen Yeung has a brother.
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'Yes we all know that Lerner wants to sell but can't.'
Anything can be sold its just a question of agreeing a price.
You really think selling a football club is that simple?
As for Pulis, no.
Probably not for Randy.
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'Yes we all know that Lerner wants to sell but can't.'
Anything can be sold its just a question of agreeing a price.
You really think selling a football club is that simple?
As for Pulis, no.
Probably not for Randy.
It's not that simple whoever it is.
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I thought results were everything and to be honest, they still are. But having watched the Albion the other week when we played there, I have never seen such an appalling excuse for a side.
A side that cost more than ours in both fees and wages, embarrassingly and they were awful. Diabolical.
I'd prefer to be in the Premier League, but I'm not sure I could stomach his brand of football. I am meant to enjoy it after all.
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'Yes we all know that Lerner wants to sell but can't.'
Anything can be sold its just a question of agreeing a price.
You really think selling a football club is that simple?
As for Pulis, no.
Probably not for Randy.
It's not that simple whoever it is.
Especially when you are trying to sell what you can describe as a smashed antique vase for about three times more money than when you bought it intact.
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Nope.
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Bitter Bird Alert.
I thought that too yesterday, but was told off
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MadKev must drink pints of Dettol if he thinks Albion look great or entertaining.
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Pulis no thanks.
I'd take Allardyce with a large dose of nose holding!
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No thanks, what's the point? We have a terrible squad, it'd still be a terrible squad under him. The only difference would be I could guarantee that we'd never improve our football under him, there's still at least a chance of improvement under Garde.
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Until the senior management at the club (Fox, Reilly et al) changes for the better I don't see any new manager having a lasting and meaningful impact.
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Bringing Pulis in only works if he would agree to a very short term fire fighting type of deal. If we were sat in 16th spot and leaking goals, he'd come in teach us how to park the bus, get enough draws to stay up. However the subsequent years we'd become what Albion are now or Stoke were. Miserable, eye bleeding kick, pull, tug, hoof it to big blokes football that you'd not want to pay to go and see. So I'll pass.
I think he is ideal if you are struggling at the bottom and he comes in for 1 or 2 seasons. For all his faults, you know he is going to get a team organised, defensively solid and decent at both attacking and defending set pieces. Once he has had his 1-2 seasons, you say thanks very much and bring in someone who can build on those foundations (that's the stage where Remi Garde should have been coming in). It's strange that his critics often overlook his time at Palace and some of the football they played when he was there.
Anyway, it's hardly like we have been playing good football over the past few years. Some of the football under McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood and Garde has been horrific.
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Bitter Bird Alert.
I thought that too yesterday, but was told off
I've already gave you my season ticket seat number, come and find me. I'm no 'bitter bird', i'm just a realist. Why are so many of you so snobby and uptight ffs!?
We're a mess, the laughing stock of football.
Pulis is the same as any other manager, you win some games with him, you lose some, you draw some. Some you'll play fantastic, some you'll play dogsheet. That's football. I don't get what some of you expect.
Everybody from 8th downwards these days, is fighting relegation, such has the scope of the premier league changed. We're no longer a big fish in the league, we're amongst the smaller fish now due to the amount of money being spunked by Russians and arabs. This is what a lot of you have to take a step back & realise.
I don't understand what some of you honestly expect anymore.
I was a teen for 1982, it was fantastic but i'm betting half of you on here weren't even born or old enough to have an recollection of the 'glory days'.
Now stop making me out to be some fraud & open your eyes to the situation.
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I gave you the benefit of the doubt the first time you tried the "come and find me" routine. Trying it again the next day only ends one way.
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Never.
What's the point? Horrible turgid anti-football.
This. Why would anyone genuinely want him? Albion fans are ashamed of him. Even we outplayed them at their place!
He is a fucking cock to go with the awful football
Him and Pearson, either rock up, I won't be going near the place, or indeed watching on the box. We are better than both, even if we are playing the conference.
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All this bullshit about pulis never being relegated is aload of shit. He leaves first or the clubs pull the trigger as stoke did. I wouldn't want that arsehole anywhere near villa simply cuz of how the prick dresses. Could at least go to jd sports instead of sportsworld!!!! Fuckin chav
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I'll go on record and say I'm sorry for calling MadKev a troll.
There were much better words I could have used.
I have a real issue with TP and the "I've never been relegated" nonsense. Since when has that become an achievement? It's a celebration of being slightly less shit that 3 other teams each year.
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'Yes we all know that Lerner wants to sell but can't.'
Anything can be sold its just a question of agreeing a price.
You really think selling a football club is that simple?
As for Pulis, no.
Probably not for Randy.
I suspect Randy finds wiping his arse difficult
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To tighten up a defence you actually need to have a defence. I remember down the years seeing a Villa defence at times but it has obviously become unfashionable now. If by some chance we got a defence again we wouldn't have to resort to anti football merchants like Pulis we could just employ a couple of half decent defensive coaches.
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I'd take any manager that could keep us in the Premier League, other than Nigel Pearson. I don't like Pulis, or his football, but I'd take shit anti-football that gets the odd win over being horsed 6-0 at home any day of the week. Not that it matters, why would he come here in any case?
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Pearson or Pulis. Probably what the playing side deserve but I'm sure both would be falling out with Fox, Hollis and Lerner within a few weeks.
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I'd rather have Stuart Pearce over the pearson/pulis alternative.
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You could put up with it if he came in as a fire fighter (too late anyway) and saved us but anything over a short contract would leave me sitting at home on a Saturday or Sunday match time.
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I'll go on record and say I'm sorry for calling MadKev a troll.
There were much better words I could have used.
I have a real issue with TP and the "I've never been relegated" nonsense. Since when has that become an achievement? It's a celebration of being slightly less shit that 3 other teams each year.
Hasn't Paul Lambore never been relegated either?
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I'd rather have Stuart Pearce over the pearson/pulis alternative.
I wouldn't.
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We, myself included were all laughing at our neighbours when they got TP. But, who honestly, would take him now?
I would, in a heartbeat, They played some good stuff at our place at the start of the season, looked great on Sky against Palace and last night they really gave Leicester a good go.
I think that when he has the right players, he could do a terrific job anywhere.
I like Garde but his record is horse & it's not like he's only had a few games to save us.
Maaaad Kevvvv.
He needs TP for his bunghole.
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Never
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Of the three stooges Pulis, Alardyce and Pearson
i would actually take Pearson first and Pulis last that's how frightening I think Pulis is
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Nobody would have saved us. The last of our premier league players departed last summer and none have arrived since.
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In response to the original post, not a fucking chance would I take Pulis.
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Nope, wouldn't want him. But it doesn't matter. He is way above our level now anyway.
Our next manager shopping will be at a significantly lower level than we are used to. You can forget Premier League managers or decent foreign ones looking to manage in the top English league. We will be trolling the same "proven at this level" shite that other big Championship clubs in decline will be after. Thats the sad truth.
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No thanks, you're more than welcome to him.
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If we hire Pulis or Allardyce or even Bruce next summer and give them a decent chunk of change for transfers, we will be heavy favourites to win the second division next term.
Look at West Ham now, maybe getting a stable base in place is just what we need with an experienced hand in charge. That lot will be happy with that type of gig anyway.
Sure the football will be shit on a stick but watching our current crop of lightweight gutless wonders taking the piss out of our club is only entertaining in a car crash way.
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I'd take Mr Tumble now.
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Pulis on a two year contract. One year to get us back up. One year to teach us how to fight in the Premiership. No more than that though as we will start moaning about the quality of the football. Yes, I am sad to say, the nasty horrible fucker is what we need with this current bunch of players. However, I'd prefer Moyes.
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I'd rather have Stuart Pearce over the pearson/pulis alternative.
I wouldn't.
Christ no. At least Pulis has a track record...
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Nope, What we need is a new Big Ron Atkinson. There no one spring in my mind.
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Absolutely right. None of the last four managers in fact have had, except for Lambert occasionally, any sort of plan to deal with the opposition. Pulis makes sure every single player knows exactly what his role is and sticks to it. I wouldn't want to watch it for ten years but for a couple of seasons to get us back on track, why not?
Pulis is exactly what we needed. A sgt major type to crack the whip and bark at them all day long in training. Instead we appoint a thoughtful introvert.
It amazes me how snobbish fans can be regarding managers and their perceived style of play. If you have decent players then you can knock it around. When you have really poor players the only real way to play is the Pulis way. At least he has a plan he sticks to.
Whats gardes plan? 5 at the back last night wasn't it?
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Absolutely right. None of the last four managers in fact have had, except for Lambert occasionally, any sort of plan to deal with the opposition. Pulis makes sure every single player knows exactly what his role is and sticks to it. I wouldn't want to watch it for ten years but for a couple of seasons to get us back on track, why not?
I wouldn't want to watch it for a couple of games, let alone seasons.
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Can were add a vote?
Definitely a no from me.
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It is interesting how the majority view on here seems to be that relegation needs to be avoided at all costs yet the majority view is also that Tony Pulis, the expert at avoiding relegation, should never be Villa manager.
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Nobody would have saved us. The last of our premier league players departed last summer and none have arrived since.
Richards? Lescott?
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I would have taken him to halt the slide in the hope of a takeover whilst he was here, then get rid. I wouldn't be so sure he would be that good at getting us back up.
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It is interesting how the majority view on here seems to be that relegation needs to be avoided at all costs yet the majority view is also that Tony Pulis, the expert at avoiding relegation, should never be Villa manager.
It's not that. We all probably know that he's make us solid enough to keep us up. In fact I would guarantee if he took over when Garde did we'd be sat where Albion are or close to that. It's what we'd sacrifice to get there and what we'd ultimately become in years 2 and 3 that would be completely unbearable.
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I would sooner go down than have either Pulis or Pearson.
Allardyce I could stomach for a couple of seasons to stabilise us.
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Shit football is shit football. Whatever Garde's footballing philosophy, it's been atrocious to watch. I'd sooner see a 1-0 win under Pulis than another depressing tonking under Garde. If we were comfortably mid-table then I'd say no to Pulis all day long. But take last night. 5 at the back, two players unsuited to playing wing back at wing back, and the fuck awful Bacuna in midfield. How exactly would it be any worse under Pulis?
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I said a few mons ago that Pulis or Allardyce would have had a fighting chance of keeping us up. No need to get married and give them a five year contract, simply let them stabilise the club and when they reach their glass ceiling say thank you and goodbye. West Ham and Palace ( and Stoke) were far stronger when those two left than when they arrived.
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Anichebe in holding midfield and Berahino played as a right sided midfielder with Rickie Lambert 40 yards in front on his own? Or 5 centre halves in a 5-3-2 at the back with a 6 playing in midfield?
They have got results because they have a better equipped squad to battle with. He would not have kept this one up.
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We took a point off Leicester too remember. WBA are dreadful to watch, full of horrible horrible players and barely register a shot on goal. Alex Ferguson wouldn't have been able to save this sack of shit we've got for a team.
Do you mean horrible in regards to players who know their defensive roles, will make their presence on the pitch known, and capable of grinding out hard won points, then isn't that what the club needs right now especially if looking to get out the championship Nxt season.
Every team needs to have those tough uncompromising (horrible) players capable of rolling their sleeves up on those cold wet windy Tuesday nights at Blackburn, and Pulis brings that.
Unfortunately or fortunately (depending on yr stance) the club needs a Pulis type manager more - to get it back in the prem and retain that position - than Pulis needs the club in it's current predicament.
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If Pulis can get us 20 points in 10 games, I'd take him.
Otherwise, I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole. Would rather have Pearson.
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Pulis is gone. They'll be partying in the streets of Smethwick tonight.
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Pulis is gone. They'll be partying in the streets of Smethwick tonight.
It will be just like the Rio carnival with their return to Brazilian type football.
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Pulis is gone. They'll be partying in the streets of Smethwick tonight.
It will be just like the Rio carnival with their return to Brazilian type football.
Awh well - never mind. Pretty certain Pulis would have kept them up this season. Hopefully we can pass them on the way up come the end of the season.
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I can't be arsed to read 6 pages, but my response to the OP is that I'd rather push toothpicks into my eyes.
edit - just realised it's an old thread. Same answer applies though.
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This made me chuckle
Tony Pulis has been sacked by @WBA. Looking around at those available the best man to help them stay up could well be....Tony Pulis.
— Gary Lineker (@GaryLineker) November 20, 2017
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They’ve put Megson in charge for a bit. That should cheer them up.
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In answer to the question: the Welsh.
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Maybe he could join Moyes and Coleman at Sunderland.
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Terrible news but if they keep Megson in charge till after Xmas that should firmly establish then in the bottom 3.
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If they wait a bit they could get Moyes
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If they wait a bit they could get Moyes
Nah, I don't think Sunderland will sack Moyes any time soon.
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Would not take Pullis in our position and where we stand today. The time we would have benefited from him was post Sherwood
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Yes, I think he's part of the furniture up there now. I could see Pulis going to West Ham though.
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He'll go straight to Wales.
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Nope - we have had our share of stone age managers recently.
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He'll go straight to Wales.
Not so sure, although I think he would do a decent job. The FAW can't come close to matching the kind of money he'd get at a Premier League club, so I think he could well take a break and see what comes up later in the season. As well he's done, Coleman turned his nose up at the job a number of times when he was doing OK at Fulham and only took the job after his stock had plummeted badly. Footballing wise I'm not sure Pulis is the right fit either, as Wales are looking to integrate some younger players and develop a more progressive style.
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This made me chuckle
Tony Pulis has been sacked by @WBA. Looking around at those available the best man to help them stay up could well be....Tony Pulis.
— Gary Lineker (@GaryLineker) November 20, 2017
Gary must be short of material because he made the same joke on MOTD on Saturday!
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He will go to Forest.
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Is it wrong of me that I am concerned they may come and poach Bruce? I cant believe I am saying that but I don't want to lose the guy right now.
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Is it wrong of me that I am concerned they may come and poach Bruce? I cant believe I am saying that but I don't want to lose the guy right now.
There's no chance that they would go for him or that Bruce would take the move even if they did. I genuinely believe him when he says this is the 'big job' he was waiting for and I don't think he'd give it up to go to a nothing club like Smethwick.
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A good solid manager but really poor eye in the transfer market once given funds.
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Is it wrong of me that I am concerned they may come and poach Bruce? I cant believe I am saying that but I don't want to lose the guy right now.
I really hope they do come in for Bruce so that we can have the pleasure of telling them to fuck right off!
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They will surely go for Big Sam.
And be having the exact same debate in two years time.
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Thing is if you adopt the style Pulis does then if you're not delivering results it's a fairly easy decision. The only argument for his style of management is when it delivers results, and I still don't think it's worth it, but it's utterly intolerable if you never win.
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Is it wrong of me that I am concerned they may come and poach Bruce? I cant believe I am saying that but I don't want to lose the guy right now.
I would not lose too much sleep over this.
It’s Smethwick.
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Please let them appoint Mclaren to pay "Albion" style football. Their fans are so delusional about the way they should play and how huge a club they are. Plus was detestable and I would happily never see a side of his face a rugby field again.
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Is it wrong of me that I am concerned they may come and poach Bruce? I cant believe I am saying that but I don't want to lose the guy right now.
I would not lose too much sleep over this.
It’s Smethwick.
And he is Bruce.
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I was (bored) reading an Albion forum to see who they might be looking at, one fan was considering the merits of MON reasoned that he was not in favour as he was not experienced dealing with ‘talented players’.
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if we lose tonight there will be a few down the Villa wishing that Bruce would go to Albion!
If they did come in for him would not be surprised if he wanted the job, it is a premier league club, and he may only have 6 months left at Villa if he does not get us promoted!
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Go to Albion and do what? Prevent them from being relegated and/or get them in the top half of the prem during a good season?
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MON would keep them up. Probably a pretty good shout for them if they can get him, especially when you consider most of the other options are the recently fired, and err Alladyce who would also probably keep them up but then be a clone of Pulis.
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Does that Uruguayan centre half still play for them?
Can't remember his name, but he played for them last time we played them, and is genuinely the worst player I've ever seen in the premier league - which, when you consider some of the utter dross that has played for us in recent years, is saying something.
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They will surely go for Big Sam.
And be having the exact same debate in two years time.
Would fat Sam want to go there? He was a Dingle growing up and I think he was let go from Albion years ago as a youth team coach
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Diego Lugano. Now at Sao Paulo. Has played 95 (!) times for Uruguay. Can only assume his hilarious Villa Park performance was an aberration and he's normally much better.
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Diego Lugano. Now at Sao Paulo. Has played 95 (!) times for Uruguay. Can only assume his hilarious Villa Park performance was an aberration and he's normally much better.
He was the one who was literally all over Benteke every time the ball came near him in that 4-3 game wasn't he? He gave a penalty away in that game IIRC.
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Bruce has a better promotion record and knows the Championship more. I wouldn't go with Pulis right now no.
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Bruce has a better promotion record and knows the Championship more. I wouldn't go with Pulis right now no.
You realise this thread is a year and a half old?
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Bruce has a better promotion record and knows the Championship more. I wouldn't go with Pulis right now no.
You realise this thread is a year and a half old?
I didn't, but timing is everything I guess...
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Please let them appoint Mclaren to pay "Albion" style football. Their fans are so delusional about the way they should play and how huge a club they are. Plus was detestable and I would happily never see a side of his face a rugby field again.
We can't really mock Albion fans in regards to the demand about the style of football, all you need do is look at the Bruce Out thread and you'll see that we have a fair share of fans with the same mindset.
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Please let them appoint Mclaren to pay "Albion" style football. Their fans are so delusional about the way they should play and how huge a club they are. Plus was detestable and I would happily never see a side of his face a rugby field again.
We can't really mock Albion fans in regards to the demand about the style of football, all you need do is look at the Bruce Out thread and you'll see that we have a fair share of fans with the same mindset.
Indeed. Football fans wanting to watch decent football. Outrageous.
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I'm not sure you can compare the two anyway. Pulis is way out there on his own when it comes to mind numblingly dull football.
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Everyone wants to watch good football, but for some unknown reason boggies fans think they're entitled to it - as if there's an 'Albion Way' to play. This is a club that have been managed by Gary Megson for Christ's sake.
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Everyone wants to watch good football, but for some unknown reason boggies fans think they're entitled to it - as if there's an 'Albion Way' to play. This is a club that have been managed by Gary Megson for Christ's sake.
And are again, for time being anyway.
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Bloose would be a match made in heaven
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How many fans associate their club with mind numbing dull football ?
This reputation is caused by a managers philosophy.
Bolton Allardyce
Stoke Pullis
Villa McLeish Lambert Bruce
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I've never found Bruce's football under us mind numblingly dull. Frustrating sometimes but not dull.
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I've never found Bruce's football under us mind numblingly dull. Frustrating sometimes but not dull.
It's frustrating because you care but a neutral would probably find it mind numbingly dull.
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I've never found Bruce's football under us mind numblingly dull. Frustrating sometimes but not dull.
Fair point.
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I've never found Bruce's football under us mind numblingly dull. Frustrating sometimes but not dull.
Fair point.
Probably not as bad as some of the stuff Lambert and McLeish produced and Pullis under Stoke was truly awful.
It’s still a long way from football under Saunders, Atkinson And even Little, which I guess is how a lot of us judge.
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I've never found Bruce's football under us mind numblingly dull. Frustrating sometimes but not dull.
Fair point.
I find it dull in the main with smatterings of some decent play on the odd ocasion.
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We're dull but competitively dull now.
As opposed to dull with a big yellow streak running from top to bottom.
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We're dull but competitively dull now.
They should use that as a slogan to sell half season tickets.
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They played good football for about half an hour in the late seventies and for ten minutes under Mowbray, but other than that they've served up turgid shite for as long as I can remember. Bobby Gould anyone? Brian Talbot? Delusional twats.
Pulis suited them down to the ground, it was a match made in heaven.
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Please let them appoint Mclaren to pay "Albion" style football. Their fans are so delusional about the way they should play and how huge a club they are. Plus was detestable and I would happily never see a side of his face a rugby field again.
We can't really mock Albion fans in regards to the demand about the style of football, all you need do is look at the Bruce Out thread and you'll see that we have a fair share of fans with the same mindset.
Indeed. Football fans wanting to watch decent football. Outrageous.
Winning football is more important for me, as lets face it that's all that matters. No points are handed out for good football.
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I've never found Bruce's football under us mind numblingly dull. Frustrating sometimes but not dull.
It's frustrating because you care but a neutral would probably find it mind numbingly dull.
I couldn't care less what a Neutral thinks about out style of play to be honest.
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You would if the neutral was a player undecided about coming to us or a sponsor undecided about investing in us. In this day and age image is everything. It should not be but that is the reality.
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You would if the neutral was a player undecided about coming to us or a sponsor undecided about investing in us. In this day and age image is everything. It should not be but that is the reality.
You could argue that it didnt stop Nacer Chadli or Barry signing for Pulis. They could have done a lot better for themselves.
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You would if the neutral was a player undecided about coming to us or a sponsor undecided about investing in us. In this day and age image is everything. It should not be but that is the reality.
You could argue that it didnt stop Nacer Chadli or Barry signing for Pulis. They could have done a lot better for themselves.
How do you know that?
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You would if the neutral was a player undecided about coming to us or a sponsor undecided about investing in us. In this day and age image is everything. It should not be but that is the reality.
You could argue that it didnt stop Nacer Chadli or Barry signing for Pulis. They could have done a lot better for themselves.
How do you know that?
What, how do i know they couldn't play for a bigger club than Albion and a manager who played better football?
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You would if the neutral was a player undecided about coming to us or a sponsor undecided about investing in us. In this day and age image is everything. It should not be but that is the reality.
You could argue that it didnt stop Nacer Chadli or Barry signing for Pulis. They could have done a lot better for themselves.
How do you know that?
What, how do i know they couldn't play for a bigger club than Albion and a manager who played better football?
That they had better offers at that time, you don’t.
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You would if the neutral was a player undecided about coming to us or a sponsor undecided about investing in us. In this day and age image is everything. It should not be but that is the reality.
You could argue that it didnt stop Nacer Chadli or Barry signing for Pulis. They could have done a lot better for themselves.
How do you know that?
What, how do i know they couldn't play for a bigger club than Albion and a manager who played better football?
That they had better offers at that time, you don’t.
Maybe they didnt but they could have stayed where they were but they chose to play for Pulis.
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You would if the neutral was a player undecided about coming to us or a sponsor undecided about investing in us. In this day and age image is everything. It should not be but that is the reality.
You could argue that it didnt stop Nacer Chadli or Barry signing for Pulis. They could have done a lot better for themselves.
How do you know that?
What, how do i know they couldn't play for a bigger club than Albion and a manager who played better football?
That they had better offers at that time, you don’t.
Maybe they didnt but they could have stayed where they were but they chose to play for Pulis.
OMG
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You would if the neutral was a player undecided about coming to us or a sponsor undecided about investing in us. In this day and age image is everything. It should not be but that is the reality.
You could argue that it didnt stop Nacer Chadli or Barry signing for Pulis. They could have done a lot better for themselves.
How do you know that?
What, how do i know they couldn't play for a bigger club than Albion and a manager who played better football?
That they had better offers at that time, you don’t.
Maybe they didnt but they could have stayed where they were but they chose to play for Pulis.
OMG
You're missing my point. Brian commented on how a manager who plays drab football could put good footballers off signing for hin. In this case, it did'nt.
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I'm not sure you can compare the two anyway. Pulis is way out there on his own when it comes to mind numblingly dull football.
you can compare the two,
Tuesday night was every inch a Pulis type performance
Two peas in a pod for me, along with Alardyce, Moyes, McLaren etc
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The way I look at our style of play is that yeah it could be better, but at the moment the aim is to get promoted. Its different with West Brom and Pulis because they had a couple of solid seasons of sustaining a mid-table finish (or not far off) under him. I can understand their fans now wanting a bit more . We're in a different position. When Bruce took over we were in a mess, more likely to drop down another division than return to the top flight (it happened to Leeds, it can happen to us). His first job was to make us solid and compete again. He's done that. Now the job is to get us back up.
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I'm not sure you can compare the two anyway. Pulis is way out there on his own when it comes to mind numblingly dull football.
you can compare the two,
Tuesday night was every inch a Pulis type performance
Two peas in a pod for me, along with Alardyce, Moyes, McLaren etc
By the same contrast, we've played some decent football. We should have had 4 or 5 against QPR. Pulis has spent all season playing three holding midfielders.
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I'm not sure you can compare the two anyway. Pulis is way out there on his own when it comes to mind numblingly dull football.
you can compare the two,
Tuesday night was every inch a Pulis type performance
Two peas in a pod for me, along with Alardyce, Moyes, McLaren etc
By the same contrast, we've played some decent football. We should have had 4 or 5 against QPR. Pulis has spent all season playing three holding midfielders.
Pulis has finished in the top half of the prem and is up against very a different class of opposition than we are playing
he plays shit football to try and stay in that league we play shit football to try and get out of ours
There really isn’t a lot of difference between the two, we have no reason to laugh at a Pulis for his crappy rubbish football when we have our own man doing exactly the same
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I'm not sure you can compare the two anyway. Pulis is way out there on his own when it comes to mind numblingly dull football.
you can compare the two,
Tuesday night was every inch a Pulis type performance
Two peas in a pod for me, along with Alardyce, Moyes, McLaren etc
By the same contrast, we've played some decent football. We should have had 4 or 5 against QPR. Pulis has spent all season playing three holding midfielders.
Pulis has finished in the top half of the prem and is up against very a different class of opposition than we are playing
he plays shit football to try and stay in that league we play shit football to try and get out of ours
There really isn’t a lot of difference between the two, we have no reason to laugh at a Pulis for his crappy rubbish football when we have our own man doing exactly the same
There's a few teams in the prem who attempt to play better football than Pulis who are also trying to stay im the prem and do so effectively and without the need to play 7-8 defensive minded players.
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Please let them appoint Mclaren to pay "Albion" style football. Their fans are so delusional about the way they should play and how huge a club they are. Plus was detestable and I would happily never see a side of his face a rugby field again.
We can't really mock Albion fans in regards to the demand about the style of football, all you need do is look at the Bruce Out thread and you'll see that we have a fair share of fans with the same mindset.
Indeed. Football fans wanting to watch decent football. Outrageous.
Winning football is more important for me, as lets face it that's all that matters. No points are handed out for good football.
No, but as has been argued here exhaustively, playing good football gives a better chance of winning.
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You would if the neutral was a player undecided about coming to us or a sponsor undecided about investing in us. In this day and age image is everything. It should not be but that is the reality.
You could argue that it didnt stop Nacer Chadli or Barry signing for Pulis. They could have done a lot better for themselves.
How do you know that?
What, how do i know they couldn't play for a bigger club than Albion and a manager who played better football?
That they had better offers at that time, you don’t.
Maybe they didnt but they could have stayed where they were but they chose to play for Pulis.
OMG
You're missing my point. Brian commented on how a manager who plays drab football could put good footballers off signing for hin. In this case, it did'nt.
Who can take a sunrise.
Sprinkle it with dew,
Cover it with chocolate
And a miracle or two
Cause he mixes it with love and the world tastes good.
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You on cake?
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I read somewhere that Pulis has never got more than 50 points in the PL. 40 points is his target, that's the extent of his ambition, and playing boring footy.
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You on cake?
It's a fucking disgrace!
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You on cake?
It's a fucking disgrace!
It explains a lot. He only thinks Bruce's football is dull because all the cake he takes has affected his Shatners Bassoon.
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Not really much difference between Bruce and Pulis IMO. If we're playing this sort of football in the Championship where we are relatively big fish with a decent squad of players compared to the opposition, what are we going to be playing at WBA's level? I for one am not expecting anything more than Pulis produced IF we get promoted
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Not really much difference between Bruce and Pulis IMO. If we're playing this sort of football in the Championship where we are relatively big fish with a decent squad of players compared to the opposition, what are we going to be playing at WBA's level? I for one am not expecting anything more than Pulis produced IF we get promoted
At least Bruce is farily amiable, Pullis would drain the life out of a hyperactive bat encassed in emphatamines.
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well a manager can be as dour and miserable as he likes, as long as he doesn't play football that way. To me Pullis and Bruce have their instincts which is not to lose and be hard to beat and it's serves them well upto a point. I think Bruce made the point that losing had become a habit for us and he had to change that, so fair play for doing that i guess. The trouble is, once they have a defensively decent set-up its a case of "what now?" I'm not surprised Pulis couldn't push on and make them a bit more adventurous and pleasant to watch and unfortunately Bruce's record is much the same.
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Pardew for the Bitters? - hope so, he always causes chaos and it usually ends in tears.
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I'm not sure you can compare the two anyway. Pulis is way out there on his own when it comes to mind numblingly dull football.
you can compare the two,
Tuesday night was every inch a Pulis type performance
Two peas in a pod for me, along with Alardyce, Moyes, McLaren etc
Would add MON to that aswell. He just was better at signing players who could make his style of football look a bit more attractive but look how atrocious Republic or Ireland are to watch now he can't sign players.
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I'm not sure you can compare the two anyway. Pulis is way out there on his own when it comes to mind numblingly dull football.
you can compare the two,
Tuesday night was every inch a Pulis type performance
Two peas in a pod for me, along with Alardyce, Moyes, McLaren etc
Would add MON to that aswell. He just was better at signing players who could make his style of football look a bit more attractive but look how atrocious Republic or Ireland are to watch now he can't sign players.
yeah that's the key really. MON added the likes of Milner and Young. Same could be said for George Graham at Arsenal. I can't see Bruce or Pulis having a clue how to proceed once they get in the premier except more of the same
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I'm not sure you can compare the two anyway. Pulis is way out there on his own when it comes to mind numblingly dull football.
you can compare the two,
Tuesday night was every inch a Pulis type performance
Two peas in a pod for me, along with Alardyce, Moyes, McLaren etc
Would add MON to that aswell. He just was better at signing players who could make his style of football look a bit more attractive but look how atrocious Republic or Ireland are to watch now he can't sign players.
Yeah but I bet the Rep fans weren't complaining about his style of football when they got to the Euros last year. Think he's done a decent job there overall, but probably it is time for him to move on.
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I'm not sure you can compare the two anyway. Pulis is way out there on his own when it comes to mind numblingly dull football.
you can compare the two,
Tuesday night was every inch a Pulis type performance
Two peas in a pod for me, along with Alardyce, Moyes, McLaren etc
By the same contrast, we've played some decent football. We should have had 4 or 5 against QPR. Pulis has spent all season playing three holding midfielders.
Pulis has finished in the top half of the prem and is up against very a different class of opposition than we are playing
he plays shit football to try and stay in that league we play shit football to try and get out of ours
There really isn’t a lot of difference between the two, we have no reason to laugh at a Pulis for his crappy rubbish football when we have our own man doing exactly the same
Yep Hull in 14/15 at VP were one of the worst visiting teams at VP I'd seen in 20 years.
Fair enough we're playing better now but imagine SB setting us up to play Man. City or Chelsea in the premier league. We'd have 10 camped in our own penalty area all game.
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I'm not sure you can compare the two anyway. Pulis is way out there on his own when it comes to mind numblingly dull football.
you can compare the two,
Tuesday night was every inch a Pulis type performance
Two peas in a pod for me, along with Alardyce, Moyes, McLaren etc
Would add MON to that aswell. He just was better at signing players who could make his style of football look a bit more attractive but look how atrocious Republic or Ireland are to watch now he can't sign players.
Yeah but I bet the Rep fans weren't complaining about his style of football when they got to the Euros last year. Think he's done a decent job there overall, but probably it is time for him to move on.
Of course not but it was still a limited style and he played the same way when he was spending 100m with us. Of course with Young Carew and Laursen we could score plenty but the game plan was still hitting it early for Gabby to chase and win free kick and corners which we were very good at scoring in those times.
We had the Pulis style problem though, all the effort we put in (and conceding possession) always seemed to catch up with us from March onwards and we stopped winning.
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I'm not sure you can compare the two anyway. Pulis is way out there on his own when it comes to mind numblingly dull football.
you can compare the two,
Tuesday night was every inch a Pulis type performance
Two peas in a pod for me, along with Alardyce, Moyes, McLaren etc
Would add MON to that aswell. He just was better at signing players who could make his style of football look a bit more attractive but look how atrocious Republic or Ireland are to watch now he can't sign players.
Yeah but I bet the Rep fans weren't complaining about his style of football when they got to the Euros last year. Think he's done a decent job there overall, but probably it is time for him to move on.
Of course not but it was still a limited style and he played the same way when he was spending 100m with us. Of course with Young Carew and Laursen we could score plenty but the game plan was still hitting it early for Gabby to chase and win free kick and corners which we were very good at scoring in those times.
We had the Pulis style problem though, all the effort we put in (and conceding possession) always seemed to catch up with us from March onwards and we stopped winning.
I never thought MON's style of play was that boring actually. Players like Young, Carew, Gabby, Milner at their best were exciting to watch. Sometimes fans seem to think you either play attractive passing football or you play boring long ball football and there's no in-between. Under MON we didn't play the most exciting football, but it was still decent football, and most of the time he got results.
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He had a good budget to get those in. No budget at ROI and he plays Pulis ball.
Edit: We played better football under Brian Little, Big Ron of course and arguably Gregory for 18 months. Even O'Leary in 03/04 I thought that was a really good time to watch when it all clicked that season.
Don't get me wrong we play some exciting stuff at times but then you saw us v Spurs and the difference in style was obvious and Spurs beat us to 4th that season.
Sunderland were also playing terribly when he was sacked there. He had a bit to spend but not as much as here.
I just think he's of the same ilk, centre backs at full back, infact anyone who isn't a full back playing at full back etc. Remember the 20 page debates we used to have about Gardner, Cuellar and NRC all playing at RB.
Fun times.
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Villa's football today was nothing like Pulis ball.
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Villa's football today was nothing like Pulis ball.
No it wasnt and it never has been.
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looks like the oleaginous Pardew for the Boggies.