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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on February 27, 2016, 04:57:55 PM
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I don't think I've ever hated Villa players more.
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First half not bad, second half they played as if they were pissed. Okore, Gabby, Bacuna in particular.
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Teams don't even have to try and beat us.
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We're going down aren't we.
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We'll win against Everton on Tue and all will be well again.
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I've been trying to imagine what team we'll have in August. In my mind, it'll be full of youth and astute signings. In reality, it'll be this team, but with anyone with any promise removed.
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I don't know what is more annoying us losing or Bacuna securing his place for the rest of the season with his first goal in 31 games.
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At 2-0 it was just the same old meh, couldn't even get myself worked up over it, we've seen it all before, then we get a lucky goal and have 10 minutes to throw it all forward too equalise and what do we do? fuck all, we find another level of ineptitude, every other club on the fucking planet would have been throwing all they had forward too go for the equaliser, we on the other hand watched Stoke pass it around, Remi Garde should have been yelling them on but instead he was stood there like a fucking piltchard.... It was unnaceptable, aston Villa FC is a fucking embarrasment.
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Bacuna and Westwood. Please fuck off.
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Bacuna, Westwood & Agbonlahor - please go Out The Door On 74 at the very latest.
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Comfortably numb. Defeats don't even hurt anymore.
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We're going down aren't we.
It's probably fine at this point to start using the past tense.
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Both team and manager are marking time until it's official. It's to be hoped that once its out of the way, Garde will end the Villa careers of several of that squad.
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Err.
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Comfortably numb. Defeats don't even hurt anymore.
Yep just want it done with. I'm out with my family now. I'm fortunate that I won't have to talk about it much to anyone for a bit and very likely won't bump into any Noses or Bitters. The silver linings of living away from Birmingham in a relegation year.
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At 2-0 it was just the same old meh, couldn't even get myself worked up over it, we've seen it all before, then we get a lucky goal and have 10 minutes to throw it all forward too equalise and what do we do? fuck all, we find another level of ineptitude, every other club on the fucking planet would have been throwing all they had forward too go for the equaliser, we on the other hand watched Stoke pass it around, Remi Garde should have been yelling them on but instead he was stood there like a fucking piltchard.... It was unnaceptable, aston Villa FC is a fucking embarrasment.
Exactly what I thought. We gave a chance a (very,very) slim chance with close to 15 minutes left, with injury time, and did absolutely fuck all to put real any pressure on Stoke.
I've said it before, there really is very little point in us having possession of the ball because we do so little with it.
Aston Villa, the team of meaningless possession.
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My minimum expectation of the Championship is to like some Aston Villa players. Because at the moment, I couldn't hold them in more contempt.
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It just needs to be over. I'd like to see Garde have a look at some of the fringe players in and around the squad to see who he wants to keep for next season. His alternative is the ones he wants shot of keep playing to keep them in the shop window so to speak.
Today the 1st half was a non entity. Stoke waited for us to drop a bollock to get 2 quick goals and that's it. We're not looking like scoring 2/3 goals in a game. For all his tidy touches Gill doesn't actually create anything; whether that's him or the movement of the players around him I'm not sure. It's hard to tell when watching on a TV rather than at a game.
I'll be attending a game for the 1st time in about 15 months on Tuesday. I can't decide whether it's excitement at going to Villa or dread at what will be served up that I'm feeling more!!
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Bacuna and Westwood. Please fuck off.
Both given 5 year contracts at the start of the season. If it wasn't so mind-blowingly incompetent it would be comical.
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Bacuna and Westwood. Please fuck off.
Both given 5 year contracts at the start of the season. If it wasn't so mind-blowingly incompetent it would be comical.
To be fair, it's been said players were given new contracts to allow relegation clauses to be added.
One would hope that in Bacuna's case, it means we can sack the fucker.
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So so bored of this. Just hurry up relegation and let us be done with this.
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Bacuna and Westwood. Please fuck off.
Both given 5 year contracts at the start of the season. If it wasn't so mind-blowingly incompetent it would be comical.
Oh deep fuckin' joy
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Well that was shit. And it was fucking cold! At least we're on the way back to civilisation.
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From the attitude of these players, most of them don't want to play for Garde and IMO they are doing their best to remove him. They are in the main a disgrace to AVFC.
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Bacuna and Westwood. Please fuck off.
Both given 5 year contracts at the start of the season. If it wasn't so mind-blowingly incompetent it would be comical.
Westwood is a stain on the Villa. An appalling footballer who is completely out of his depth in the PL and he has been since day one. I shook my head in disbelief when the club's PR machine laughably tried to talk him up for the England squad after we beat Liverpool in Lambert's first season and I'm shaking my head today with the realisation he's still here making a living in the PL.
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From the attitude of these players, most of them don't want to play for Garde and IMO they are doing their best to remove him. They are in the main a disgrace to AVFC.
Garde didn't help himself with his stupid "I'm not getting what I want from the players during training" comments this week though. He went down in my estimation with that nonsense.
Basically the whole club is a disgrace, and it's down to one man only - Randy fuckin Lerner.
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I thought the first was a soft penalty. I wanted the players to surround the ref temple veins bulging in a Keane/D'Urso scenario. (Like I was jumping around my room shouting WTF?? dive ref!!!) Unfortunatley it was just resigned compliance.
Sinclair has nice bursts of energy and drive when he comes onto the pitch.
Gestede should be on a building site. He never wins anything in the air and is slower than Micky Quinn.
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Everton getting new investment today. Shoulda woulda coulda, but playing Stoke will forever remind me of not being able to hold that 2-0 lead. It's rare that you can wind history back to a single Sliding Doors moment, but we hold onto that lead, I reckon we wouldn't be getting relegated.
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Can't remember ever being so resigned to our fate as today, it's just a hopeless depression , the nervous tension , butterflies in the stomach have all gone.
Very sad.
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I will be bothered on the day we can first go down, but even then, say we win, it'll happen probably the week after. I don't even talk about the Villa anymore, except on here.
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Everton getting new investment today. Shoulda woulda coulda, but playing Stoke will forever remind me of not being able to hold that 2-0 lead. It's rare that you can wind history back to a single Sliding Doors moment, but we hold onto that lead, I reckon we wouldn't be getting relegated.
I know exactly what you mean. A lot of people blamed the Moscow game but it was the Saturday before against Stoke when in an alternative universe we won, qualified for the Champions League and invested wisely.
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Relegation can't be confirmed soon enough now. Pretty obvious we're now merely fulfilling the remaining fixtures.
Regardless of whether Garde stays or not, the majority of these players must be replaced if we want any chance of coming straight back. We need to know quickly though, though I don't think Garde will do a last minute quit job like O'Neill did.
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Relegation can't be confirmed soon enough now. Pretty obvious we're now merely fulfilling the remaining fixtures.
Regardless of whether Garde stays or not, the majority of these players must be replaced if we want any chance of coming straight back. We need to know quickly though, though I don't think Garde will do a last minute quit job like O'Neill did.
Where does the investment come from?
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Everton getting new investment today. Shoulda woulda coulda, but playing Stoke will forever remind me of not being able to hold that 2-0 lead. It's rare that you can wind history back to a single Sliding Doors moment, but we hold onto that lead, I reckon we wouldn't be getting relegated.
I know exactly what you mean. A lot of people blamed the Moscow game but it was the Saturday before against Stoke when in an alternative universe we won, qualified for the Champions League and invested wisely.
That Stoke game was the Saturday after Moscow, not before it.
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The squad needs a good clean-out, but every season where we've struggled has made it impossible. Managers are reluctant to clear out players who have played their part in survival because they've got the experience of it. Now we're as good as down, there's no excuse to keep any of them.
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How many corners did we win today?
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How many corners did we win today?
I'm sure we'll find out in Tony Pulis's post-match interview.
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How many corners did we win today?
None
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Everton getting new investment today. Shoulda woulda coulda, but playing Stoke will forever remind me of not being able to hold that 2-0 lead. It's rare that you can wind history back to a single Sliding Doors moment, but we hold onto that lead, I reckon we wouldn't be getting relegated.
I know exactly what you mean. A lot of people blamed the Moscow game but it was the Saturday before against Stoke when in an alternative universe we won, qualified for the Champions League and invested wisely.
That Stoke game was the Saturday after Moscow, not before it.
Yep. The entire plan being that we would sacrifice European football to further cement our place in a CL spot. And for a good while it was going perfectly to plan. Nobody saw what was to come next, but more so what transpired in the next few games. A collapse that as a club we have never recovered from. It's when all the eggs in that basket slipped from our hand and were smashed to pieces.
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It was cold. Stoke were shit. We were shitter. We sung quite loudly. We all went home.
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The highlights of my day were the excellent pub in Hanley and the efficient bus service after the game which got me to the station in 10 minutes. And, to be fair, we scored a good goal. As for the game, it really was pretty dire. As usual we had lots of neat possession but hardly ever looked threatening. When we play the ball out to the wings there’s no one in the box to cross it to, and when we try to play it through the centre we immediately lose it. I don’t blame Garde’s tactics, it’s just that the players aren’t good enough. As others have said, the end of the season can’t come soon enough.
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Bacuna and Westwood. Please fuck off.
Both given 5 year contracts at the start of the season. If it wasn't so mind-blowingly incompetent it would be comical.
Westwood is a stain on the Villa. An appalling footballer who is completely out of his depth in the PL and he has been since day one. I shook my head in disbelief when the club's PR machine laughably tried to talk him up for the England squad after we beat Liverpool in Lambert's first season and I'm shaking my head today with the realisation he's still here making a living in the PL.
His post match quote on the BBc states Garde as saying 'we don't have enough quality'
I'm not sure if he is trying to gee up the players with these comments, having a dig at the board or shifting the blame from him before he resigns at or before the end of the season.
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I should have found this hard to type but i hate our playing staff. but i still love our club VTID
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Everton getting new investment today. Shoulda woulda coulda, but playing Stoke will forever remind me of not being able to hold that 2-0 lead. It's rare that you can wind history back to a single Sliding Doors moment, but we hold onto that lead, I reckon we wouldn't be getting relegated.
Think it was Sunday as we played on the Thursday
I know exactly what you mean. A lot of people blamed the Moscow game but it was the Saturday before against Stoke when in an alternative universe we won, qualified for the Champions League and invested wisely.
That Stoke game was the Saturday after Moscow, not before it.
Yep. The entire plan being that we would sacrifice European football to further cement our place in a CL spot. And for a good while it was going perfectly to plan. Nobody saw what was to come next, but more so what transpired in the next few games. A collapse that as a club we have never recovered from. It's when all the eggs in that basket slipped from our hand and were smashed to pieces.
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I'm actually numb to it now. I no longer watch soccer am, I don't watch football focus. I have watched motd twice all year and now don't frequent any football sites other than this one. I haven't bought a shirt this season and haven't looked at going to a game since the the annual Christmas farce. Football banter amongst my mates had died because we are so fucking pathetic they can't even bring themselves to laugh at us. I am desperate for this to be over because its absolutely turgid supporting the villa at the moment. I'm now watching champions league obsessively and am really looking forward to the euros just because they have nothing to do with Aston Villa.
Roll on next year ey lads?
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Bacuna and Westwood. Please fuck off.
Both given 5 year contracts at the start of the season. If it wasn't so mind-blowingly incompetent it would be comical.
Westwood is a stain on the Villa. An appalling footballer who is completely out of his depth in the PL and he has been since day one. I shook my head in disbelief when the club's PR machine laughably tried to talk him up for the England squad after we beat Liverpool in Lambert's first season and I'm shaking my head today with the realisation he's still here making a living in the PL.
His post match quote on the BBc states Garde as saying 'we don't have enough quality'
I'm not sure if he is trying to gee up the players with these comments, having a dig at the board or shifting the blame from him before he resigns at or before the end of the season.
I agree. I think he's paving his way into resigning. I said earlier I didn't like what he said this week regarding not getting enough from the players in training, and now he's saying we don't have the quality. I'm not disagreeing with any of it, but it sounds like he's given up and isn't bothered he might lose the players with his comments. It's very unprofessional.
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This lot have actually got me to the stage where I'm past caring.
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Everton getting new investment today. Shoulda woulda coulda, but playing Stoke will forever remind me of not being able to hold that 2-0 lead. It's rare that you can wind history back to a single Sliding Doors moment, but we hold onto that lead, I reckon we wouldn't be getting relegated.
Think it was a Sunday match, for what it's worth
I know exactly what you mean. A lot of people blamed the Moscow game but it was the Saturday before against Stoke when in an alternative universe we won, qualified for the Champions League and invested wisely.
That Stoke game was the Saturday after Moscow, not before it.
Yep. The entire plan being that we would sacrifice European football to further cement our place in a CL spot. And for a good while it was going perfectly to plan. Nobody saw what was to come next, but more so what transpired in the next few games. A collapse that as a club we have never recovered from. It's when all the eggs in that basket slipped from our hand and were smashed to pieces.
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I predict he will resign on the day we are mathematically relegated.
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We are a poor poor side getting what we deserve.
I do feel sorry for garde but he certainly hasn't had an effect for the positive on any of the players even the French guys are struggling
With Ayew back Tuesday and gestede fitter surely we should just go for broke it can't be any worse
Let's play Sinclair gabby gestede and ayew! Get some width and crosses in! Can it be any worse! Try something different!
Have the four defenders two holding midfielders and play with four attacking players!
I'd rather lose four nil going for it than just waiting for the inevitable every week
I don't want to see bacuna Westwood on Tuesday or for a long time
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The worst is yet to come. Garde will walk at the end of the season and I can't say I blame him. The brains that make the decisions at the club will appoint Nigel fucking Pearson.
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Next season can't come quick enough for me, which ever division we are in. We need to regroup and play with a team that wants to play for AVFC
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I predict he will resign on the day we are mathematically relegated.
I'm with you on that.
Then we have a half a dozen games or so with kevin Mac in charge. Oh mercy me that rubs salt into our deep fresh bleeding wounds....
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Shit. Boring. Cold. Clueless. Ineffective.
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I'm home and my feet are still sodding cold! Bah humbug at the football spoiling a good out.
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Goals and lowlights (http://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/CdoROA1e/#video)
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Next season can't come quick enough for me, which ever division we are in. We need to regroup and play with a team that wants to play for AVFC
I'm pretty certain the players want to play for us, the problem is that quite simply they're not good enough for this level. You pay peanuts you get monkeys, and that's why we're in this mess.
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Rubbish Pen no idea what Westwood was doing , very much like Wycombe just lack of awareness in the area
Second Bunn rooted to on line then just calamity , he ends up with legs caught in netting and Lescott is outjumped twice by Arnautovic
Sinclair looked decent for once , Gestede has some of the worst control I have ever seen yet somehow ( much like Leicester) his woeful control led to a goal.
Bunn - Should of come for second goal made few sharp stops
Cissoko - Nervy at back some decent balls into box but no one there
Hutton - Tries hard but nothing in front of him , better going forward than Richards and looks like he cares
Okore - Since interview he has looked dodgy , some great takling at times but shocking passing
Lescott - Solid and was trying to get players going all match
Veretout - Looked lightweight and contributed nothing , has gone downhill
Gana - Gets about puts in decent tackles but still loses ball too often
Westwood - Pathetic attempt to get ball in area leading to pen , tidy but ineffective
Gil - Soem good skill and wants ball but nothing infront of him and as front player does not get into box
Gabby - Runs around alot but lacks quality for most part
Bacuna - Scored but looks low on confidence heavy touches and plays the safe ball
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Their second goal was farcical.
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Rubbish Pen no idea what Westwood was doing , very much like W
Westwood, that was amateurish.
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Great clipped ball for their penalty, Westwood of course oblivious to someone behind him but it was a cracking ball.
The second goal shows the lack of fight and desire in the side, complete half soaked, half arsed pussies the lot of them.
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Both team and manager are marking time until it's official. It's to be hoped that once its out of the way, Garde will end the Villa careers of several of that squad.
Including his own hopefully, you can't spend 2 weeks calling the players shit and that you'll pick a team that want to fight in the next match and then go and pick the same team that lost 6:0.
Also another awesome Half Time team talk from Mr Garde 11 minutes afterward we were 2:0.
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Twas cold, we were shite, Stoke a little less shit, our support was good and the new Lerner song catchy.
Roll on August 6th and hopefully the first day of better times.
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Their second goal was farcical.
Add it to the growing collection.
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Both team and manager are marking time until it's official. It's to be hoped that once its out of the way, Garde will end the Villa careers of several of that squad.
Including his own hopefully, you can't spend 2 weeks calling the players shit and that you'll pick a team that want to fight in the next match and then go and pick the same team that lost 6:0.
Also another awesome Half Time team talk from Mr Garde 11 minutes afterward we were 2:0.
Agreed. I'm surprised at the lack of criticism of Garde this last week. It's one thing saying these things behind closed doors but another slagging off your players in public. You want them on your side for crying out loud.
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This lot have actually got me to the stage where I'm past caring.
I'm well beyond that and discovering what happens *after* past caring.
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So today I found out
Lyden is not better than Westwood - really
Green is surely not fit to lace bacunas boots- really
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How many corners did we win today?
I'm sure we'll find out in Tony Pulis's post-match interview.
'Four corners we had compared to their one, you count them, they had one, that's a fact.' Tony Pulis.
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Expect to be beaten every week now so the only flicker was when we scored and I thought "I hate you even more for the merest hint that we might get something from this but I know we won't you bastards"
See you all Tuesday night - bet it's shit....
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We are so predictably shit these days all I expect is that we get beat and they rarely let me down.
It's come to something when I'm 'celebrating' a consolation goal against Stoke
Relegation can't come soon enough to finally put me out of my fucking misery
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I think the comments from Garde over the past 2 weeks have been aimed as much at the board as they have the players. He's basically said "these players are shit, but you didn't let me sign anyone so I have to pick them again this week"
He knows we are down, he's doing everything he can to let the board know we can't go into next season with the same squad
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Defeat runs through us like the writing in a stick of rock. Changing that is going to be some task.
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Defeat runs through us like the writing in a stick of rock. Changing that is going to be some task.
I think it's going to take new ownership. Someone to come in with his own men and say this is not good enough, this is a disgrace, some of you have been shocking and will be removed and will never get to work at a club as big as this in your life again and you've let yourself down.
Right now there's just an air of complacency and never mind around the club, just drifting from day to day. The odd daft as a brush sound bite comes from someone at the top, we hear of a new plan, or a new appointment but we've seen nothing actually change as of yet.
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I can taste that Portuguese wine already...
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It is really all rather sad. If I was still clinging on to any faint chance of staying up it disappeared fully today. Any midfield having to cope with the abilities of Westwood and Bacuna deserve a medal and Vertetout and Gana ran their bollocks off to compensate but to no avail. Agbonlahor, just utterly useless.
Bunn - 5 - ok but doesn't have the presence to dominate in his own 6 yard box.
Hutton - 6 - tries hard can't fault his commitment but just lacks any quality further up the pitch.
okore - 6 - tackling and reading of game good but can't head a ball for toffee and his distribution is um erratic.
Lescott - 7 - did alright today
Cissokho - 5 - not a good day defensively but better offensively.
Gana - 7.5 - motm for me ran well, tackled and distribution ok with the odd bit of sloppiness
Bacuna - 1 - 1 point for the goal I can't think of any other useful thing he did
Westwood - 0 - useless utterly useless. Didn't track runners all game and his lack of physicality is not made up for by being neat and tidy with the ball.
Vertetout - 6 - good work rate but needs longer studs and better final delivery.
Gil - 5 - too lightweight for this league and lacks the turn of pace to capitalise on the space his skills create for him.
Agbonoahor - 3 - another typical Gabby performance, a few half arsed runs, plenty of miscontrol of the ball and no end product.
Sinclair - 5 - lively when he came on with some purposeful running with the ball.
Gestede - 3 - added nuisance value
Garde - 5 - I think he's a good manager, I think he's got the right ideas but he lacks any quality in the squad to deliver on that. He needs to look at alternative way of playing that removes the Bacuna/Westwood names from his team sheet as a start.
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Another poor performance..I hope I never get to see Gabby in a Villa shirt again. I thought his performance today was disgusting.
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We are shit make no bones about it but we went down by one goal away at Stoke today. A little more class and we could compete with the bottom half of the league. Just so frustrating.
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Oh and Selma Hayek didn't bring us any luck either, the dozy cow!
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Oh and Selma Hayek didn't bring us any luck either, the dozy cow!
I'll be quite happy if I never see her wearing a Villa shirt again.
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First of all fed up with the "new song" - Lerner wants out so why sing about it. We are what we are at the moment.
Turning to the game the way we started we could easily have 2 down within the first 15 minutes, this is despite Lescott at long last having a decent game.
If only the team gave 110% like the fans.
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We are shit make no bones about it but we went down by one goal away at Stoke today. A little more class and we could compete with the bottom half of the league. Just so frustrating.
Yep, two or three signings in January could have made a real difference.
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Oh and Selma Hayek didn't bring us any luck either, the dozy cow!
I'll be quite happy if I never see her wearing a Villa shirt again.
Get it off your chest.
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That's the thing I don't really get with the song and any chants about Lerner, he wants out too.
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First of all fed up with the "new song" - Lerner wants out so why sing about it. We are what we are at the moment.
Turning to the game the way we started we could easily have 2 down within the first 15 minutes, this is despite Lescott at long last having a decent game.
If only the team gave 110% like the fans.
It might speed up the unmotivated seller. Anything to let him know his time us up and to haste him on his way is all good in my book. I hope the whole of Villa Park is singing it by season's end.
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Oh and Selma Hayek didn't bring us any luck either, the dozy cow!
I'll be quite happy if I never see her wearing a Villa shirt again.
Get it off your chest.
Get it off HER chest / heaving breasts
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Lerner wants to sell. Nobody's buying football clubs any more. They know we're pissed off so we don't need to tell them. Etc.
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That's the thing I don't really get with the song and any chants about Lerner, he wants out too.
Does he? Does he? Then try harder you dozy twonk. Magnificent football club free to reliable custodian - limited time only. Must not be no nothing, Walter Mittyesque shiester.
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I think the comments from Garde over the past 2 weeks have been aimed as much at the board as they have the players. He's basically said "these players are shit, but you didn't let me sign anyone so I have to pick them again this week"
He knows we are down, he's doing everything he can to let the board know we can't go into next season with the same squad
Agreed.
He's doing us a massive service as fans if he stays or not. He's ensuring those that are to blame have no future at this club, and laying bare the state we're in.
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Oh and Selma Hayek didn't bring us any luck either, the dozy cow!
I'll be quite happy if I never see her wearing a Villa shirt again.
Get it off your chest.
Get it off HER chest / heaving breasts
She's set us up for the booby prize.
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I like the song and sung it loudly. It felt good to vocalise my feelings.
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Oh and Selma Hayek didn't bring us any luck either, the dozy cow!
I'll be quite happy if I never see her wearing a Villa shirt again.
Get it off your chest.
Get it off HER chest / heaving breasts
She's set us up for the booby prize.
It went tits up early doors.
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Oh and Selma Hayek didn't bring us any luck either, the dozy cow!
I'll be quite happy if I never see her wearing a Villa shirt again.
Get it off your chest.
Get it off HER chest / heaving breasts
She's set us up for the booby prize.
It went tits up early doors.
We held our own early on if mammary serves me correct.
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Lerner wants to sell. Nobody's buying football clubs any more. They know we're pissed off so we don't need to tell them. Etc.
Don't forget 'booing will lead to poor performances on the pitch.'
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Oh and Selma Hayek didn't bring us any luck either, the dozy cow!
I'll be quite happy if I never see her wearing a Villa shirt again.
Get it off your chest.
Get it off HER chest / heaving breasts
She's set us up for the booby prize.
It went tits up early doors.
We held our own early on if mammary serves me correct.
Gabby was (soapy tit) wank again.
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Oh and Selma Hayek didn't bring us any luck either, the dozy cow!
I'll be quite happy if I never see her wearing a Villa shirt again.
Get it off your chest.
Get it off HER chest / heaving breasts
She's set us up for the booby prize.
It went tits up early doors.
We held our own early on if mammary serves me correct.
We held our own alright, and who wouldn't with the Salma's delights on display, but we should have let go of them and concentrated on the match.
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Oh and Selma Hayek didn't bring us any luck either, the dozy cow!
I'll be quite happy if I never see her wearing a Villa shirt again.
Get it off your chest.
Get it off HER chest / heaving breasts
She's set us up for the booby prize.
It went tits up early doors.
We held our own early on if mammary serves me correct.
We held our own alright, and who wouldn't with the Salma's delights on display, but we should have let go of them and concentrated on the match.
There were more tits on display than I could handle this afternoon.
Lerner out. What's that? He wants out? I won't mention it then.
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Comfortably numb. Defeats don't even hurt anymore.
Sad but true. That we lost barely registers and it no longer ruins my weekend when we do lose. So, every cloud and all that.
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I can't get the 'roll on' next season. After watching that lot, without a serious overhaul we'll be suffering humiliations in the championship.
The midfield is woeful and, no, Veretout does not work hard. He, Westwood and Bacuna (despite a goal) offer nothing at this level.
The goals were eloquent of a calamitous season and the second was especially comical.
I wouldnt be unhappy to see them all leave but I wouldn't trust the club to sign anyone remotely good.
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I guess the problem is these modern footballers were going to be even less bothered after our Board decided to accept the inevitable and did nothing in January. The message was loud and clear we are not fighting anymore so our players have moved on from departure lounge to the the beach.
The shame is that we win one in the last 3/4 games and we would have been back in with a fighting chance. It's fucking depressingly dreadful all around.
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One of my best mates is a Stoke fan and this was his take on it;
We were poor, but you were awful. Okore was particularly bad. Lescott and Hutton showed flashes of potentially being (or having been, I suppose) good players. Gabby looked massive (his arse is huge), but was still quite fast in bursts. But he was getting zero service or help and seemed to lose interest in the second half. Your midfield was non-existent as far as I could tell. I hadn't even noticed Bacuna was on the pitch until they announced it was him who'd scored.
Our second goal was right in front of where we sit. Your defenders just seemed to stop and watch Arnie CHEST it in. Stoke were bad on the day, and would have struggled against a better team.
Your fans were noisy pretty much all the way through - defiant. They also seemed to be supporting the team rather than having a go at them or the board, which was what I was expecting. Quite impressive.
That was the view from the Boothen End, anyway...
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I expect a few of the players will be looking for the next ship to desert to. Mind on the job? Not at all.
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My son came home about an hour ago and pronounced "were down now dad,arent we?"
"No were not!" was my reply,
I think I maybe getting a visit from the men in white coats tomorrow,but I still cant accept it yet!
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We know its relegation, and it will be a relief when it happens, as it will also stop pundits etc stating the bleeding obvious.
The team knows it too, and thats why there is no commitment. And if they can't fight for the club, why do it for the manager (professional?)
The manager knows this, so why not take digs at the players, or club, that, he is unlikely to be there next season.
The next season, will be painful, but gives a chance to start again, rebuild and return to the PL in a couple of years, stronger and wiser for it.
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According to their fanzine site Butland reported to the ref after the game that he had coins thrown at him.
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We know its relegation, and it will be a relief when it happens, as it will also stop pundits etc stating the bleeding obvious.
The team knows it too, and thats why there is no commitment. And if they can't fight for the club, why do it for the manager (professional?)
The manager knows this, so why not take digs at the players, or club, that, he is unlikely to be there next season.
The next season, will be painful, but gives a chance to start again, rebuild and return to the PL in a couple of years, stronger and wiser for it.
I can't see us being any stronger or wiser if Randy Lerner is still running the show, alas.
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Lerner has the Blues touch, whoever he employs turns out to be a disaster, he just hasn't got it.
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Sadly I wasn't there but reading this thread and the BBC match report one thing really, really irritates me- the following comment from Remi Garde:" we started the second half too poorly and when you are 2-0 down it is over".
With 36 minutes to go we are two goals down and the game is over? That is an awful attitude. A fortnight ago Sunderland came back from the same score with only 12 minutes to go at Liverpool, a much tougher task. I reckon Leicester got out of their predicament last season by virtue of attitude as much as ability, and I want our players to at least give their all for 90minutes in every game.
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This lot have actually got me to the stage where I'm past caring.
Went to Burton-Walsall instead today. Not a great game by any means (0-0) and realised on leaving the house I'd left my radio and my phone was short on credit so was pretty knackered in following our game which I usually do.
Think I asked my Mother once at half time and once at full time what the score was, so little interest I had in the rest of the season bar the Newcastle game.
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Sadly I wasn't there but reading this thread and the BBC match report one thing really, really irritates me- the following comment from Remi Garde:" we started the second half too poorly and when you are 2-0 down it is over".
With 36 minutes to go we are two goals down and the game is over? That is an awful attitude. A fortnight ago Sunderland came back from the same score with only 12 minutes to go at Liverpool, a much tougher task. I reckon Leicester got out of their predicament last season by virtue of attitude as much as ability, and I want our players to at least give their all for 90minutes in every game.
I bet he wants them to, too. How many Villa fans would actually disagree with that particular quote? I believe he calls it as he sees it. When the Villa team is 2-0 down it's over. I don't think the awful attitude is down to the manager, but I cannot see how he's going to be able to change that - it's too ingrained at this point.
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When the current Villa team is at 0-0, it's over.
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First goal just sums us up. We drop off too easily, we arnt aware, we lose runners, we put in a half arsed challenge with no hope of winning the ball. End result, a team not playing particularly well are gifted the lead.
It's been happening all season. It won't change now. Individually and collectively we're no where near good enough.
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The next season, will be painful, but gives a chance to start again, rebuild and return to the PL in a couple of years, stronger and wiser for it.
I can't see us being any stronger or wiser if Randy Lerner is still running the show, alas.
I am a realistic optimist, and hope that Hollis & King make the right culling (ie a fox) and changes.
But as no one wanted to buy the club when in the PL, Randy will still be there. I'm sure that he wants rid of Villa, as much as we want rid of him.
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When the current Villa team is at 0-0, it's over.
Yep
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Players, shit. Not surprising news any more. So devoid of quality it's laughable at times.
Garde, shit. Guardiola wouldn't win games with these mugs though.
Fans, magnificent. We sang from start to finish, supportive at times and full of gallows humour at times. That's how it needs to be until the end of the season, sing our hearts out but make our feelings known.
UTV
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match of the day,taking the piss :-[
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Bottleless, shit wankers.
Just fuck off.
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Groundhog Day.
Same shit.
Next match will be just the same
Garde is way too negative I am sure he won't be our manager in the championship.
Numb. Numb. Numb.
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Watching the rugby today and our players could do to take a leaf out of their book. When Ireland were within a few yards of our line everyone had to concentrate and battle hard. Just one player switching off for a second could have led to an Irish try. Some off our players seem to switch off for whole minutes while others never actually seem to switch fuckin on in the whole of 90 mins.
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Fans, magnificent. We sang from start to finish, supportive at times and full of gallows humour at times. That's how it needs to be until the end of the season, sing our hearts out but make our feelings known.
UTV
This is the way to do it!
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Watching the rugby today and our players could do to take a leaf out of their book. When Ireland were within a few yards of our line everyone had to concentrate and battle hard. Just one player switching off for a second could have led to an Irish try. Some off our players seem to switch off for whole minutes while others never actually seem to switch fuckin on in the whole of 90 mins.
Those rugby players are professionals though and train and everything...
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Okore was really unlucky with those two superb efforts, that Bunn saved.
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Sadly I wasn't there but reading this thread and the BBC match report one thing really, really irritates me- the following comment from Remi Garde:" we started the second half too poorly and when you are 2-0 down it is over".
With 36 minutes to go we are two goals down and the game is over? That is an awful attitude. A fortnight ago Sunderland came back from the same score with only 12 minutes to go at Liverpool, a much tougher task. I reckon Leicester got out of their predicament last season by virtue of attitude as much as ability, and I want our players to at least give their all for 90minutes in every game.
Greetings Paul, I hope you're well mate.
I agree with you-very very poor from Garde. Yesterday was the first time I've started to go off him as a manager. The criticism of the squad, followed by the picking of the same team. It's extremely odd.
As soon as I see the team nowadays I feel nothing but rage and disappointment.
Okore and Lescott should never play again following their 'I dont owe Villa anything'/tweeting a Mercedes' cock ups.
Westwood and Bacuna....Westwood looks in permanent agony, whilst if I had my way Bacuna would be in permenent agony. That hair! The smug face! He makes my toes curl!
As for Agbonlahor-it's plain that he has been a ringleader in this season of woe. He must be awful to have around, face like thunder, no sense of humour. Club captain? Arsehole.
But ultimately, Garde picks them, so he can go on the list of people to blame. I won't be defending him anymore, and unless the future is him drastically changing the fortunes of the club, I won't be sad to see him go. No passion, no energy, and apparently, no clue.
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It seems that Garde has thrown the towel in as have most of the players. That is unforgivable. Yes we know there's a lack of quality but its his job to make these players run through brick walls for the cause. We could take a team of players from a couple of divisions below and get more effort and probably more points from our remaining 12 games than from this lot which is a sad reflection on all. I agree that Garde is the right man at the wrong time but he's not prepared to roll up his sleeves and this is too much for him. To be fair to him I don't think he was aware of just how bad we were and how little we are getting from players who should be doing better, or at least applying themselves better. That we appear to be led by the dressing-room is another reason why we will struggle until there are wholesale changes. An immediate return his highly unlikely but not impossible. The right additions, and a new manager are important starts though. I won't mention the board and owner because that's just obvious.
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Sadly I wasn't there but reading this thread and the BBC match report one thing really, really irritates me- the following comment from Remi Garde:" we started the second half too poorly and when you are 2-0 down it is over".
With 36 minutes to go we are two goals down and the game is over? That is an awful attitude. A fortnight ago Sunderland came back from the same score with only 12 minutes to go at Liverpool, a much tougher task. I reckon Leicester got out of their predicament last season by virtue of attitude as much as ability, and I want our players to at least give their all for 90minutes in every game.
Greetings Paul, I hope you're well mate.
I agree with you-very very poor from Garde. Yesterday was the first time I've started to go off him as a manager. The criticism of the squad, followed by the picking of the same team. It's extremely odd.
As soon as I see the team nowadays I feel nothing but rage and disappointment.
Okore and Lescott should never play again following their 'I dont owe Villa anything'/tweeting a Mercedes' cock ups.
Westwood and Bacuna....Westwood looks in permanent agony, whilst if I had my way Bacuna would be in permenent agony. That hair! The smug face! He makes my toes curl!
As for Agbonlahor-it's plain that he has been a ringleader in this season of woe. He must be awful to have around, face like thunder, no sense of humour. Club captain? Arsehole.
But ultimately, Garde picks them, so he can go on the list of people to blame. I won't be defending him anymore, and unless the future is him drastically changing the fortunes of the club, I won't be sad to see him go. No passion, no energy, and apparently, no clue.
hi Paulie- I'm with you and axl here- we're down- everyone knows it, but go out with some fight. Bunch of soft ******. They'd be absolutely crucified here in Australia, the players going out with a whimper.
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Let's face it Garde is not staying is he. Just a matter of when not if in my view.
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And that's part of the problem. He knows he's going and probably so do the players so the shrug of the shoulders is what passes for a team talk.
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If I were Garde and had to deal with a bunch of players who clearly don't give a shit, I'd call them out publicly too. I'd obviously give them a chance to play and show what they've got but if they consistently turn in rubbish, half arsed performances then f*ck them essentially. He can tell it like it is about the villa players for me.
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I'm actually numb to it now. I no longer watch soccer am, I don't watch football focus. I have watched motd twice all year and now don't frequent any football sites other than this one. I haven't bought a shirt this season and haven't looked at going to a game since the the annual Christmas farce. Football banter amongst my mates had died because we are so fucking pathetic they can't even bring themselves to laugh at us. I am desperate for this to be over because its absolutely turgid supporting the villa at the moment. I'm now watching champions league obsessively and am really looking forward to the euros just because they have nothing to do with Aston Villa.
Roll on next year ey lads?
That is me in and nutshell and I'll add that I've started watching Wasps at the Ricoh. That's how bad it is, I'd rather go to Coventry.
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Our expectations have been managed to such a low level, we do not expect to win games anymore, all we want to see is a bit of effort, you know that thing that should be a minimum expectation of any professional footballer representing the club that pays him obscene amounts of money each week.
But what ever you do , do not boo the players as this will effect their fragile egos and make them worse, if I ran up and down the pitch next to Westwood and Bacuna and spent 90 minutes booing and abusing in their ear holes, could they become any worse.
Lets not blame the manager as this is the hand he has been dealt, but he is proving not fit for purpose, as he states on his CV that he is a qualified professional manager of a football club, but there is no apparent improvement in the bunch he works with all day and god forbid we put the kids into this situation, rather than the lazy overpaid time served professionals.
Skills can be honed and improved, fitness can be worked on, but attitude and professionalism is something that has to be installed and if not being shown action taken. Westwood and Bacuna have little of any of the above, Richards the same, Gabby the same and on yesterdays showing the likes of Veretout, Okore also looks totally shot.
The total shit storm is very much in evidence at Villa park and anyone who thinks this is gonna end sometime soon by the great achievement of relegation, but while the majority of these poisonous arseholes will still be here come August, I feel are in for even more dissapointment.
Tuesday night they should be given dogs abuse, including Remi, this is Aston Villa not some experiment, or a place to air your personal grievances, whether that be by the players to the manager or the manager to the board, what about proving a point to the supporters, fuck the lot of them.
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I must confess I wish Bacuna would put a bucket over his head as for some reason just the sight of his face annoys me. Don't know what it is but it just does fuckin annoy me.
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and he plays like he has buckets on his feet
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Our expectations have been managed to such a low level, we do not expect to win games anymore, all we want to see is a bit of effort, you know that thing that should be a minimum expectation of any professional footballer representing the club that pays him obscene amounts of money each week.
But what ever you do , do not boo the players as this will effect their fragile egos and make them worse, if I ran up and down the pitch next to Westwood and Bacuna and spent 90 minutes booing and abusing in their ear holes, could they become any worse.
Lets not blame the manager as this is the hand he has been dealt, but he is proving not fit for purpose, as he states on his CV that he is a qualified professional manager of a football club, but there is no apparent improvement in the bunch he works with all day and god forbid we put the kids into this situation, rather than the lazy overpaid time served professionals.
Skills can be honed and improved, fitness can be worked on, but attitude and professionalism is something that has to be installed and if not being shown action taken. Westwood and Bacuna have little of any of the above, Richards the same, Gabby the same and on yesterdays showing the likes of Veretout, Okore also looks totally shot.
The total shit storm is very much in evidence at Villa park and anyone who thinks this is gonna end sometime soon by the great achievement of relegation, but while the majority of these poisonous arseholes will still be here come August, I feel are in for even more dissapointment.
Tuesday night they should be given dogs abuse, including Remi, this is Aston Villa not some experiment, or a place to air your personal grievances, whether that be by the players to the manager or the manager to the board, what about proving a point to the supporters, fuck the lot of them.
Spot on. They deserve pelters, I'm sick of the site of their timid little ugky faces,lack of skill,speed,everything. I hate the majority of them. I feel like just abusing them, rather than support tjrm. I'm bored of supporting them.
Remi deserves dogs abuse too now. A well spoken weed.
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The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde. He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room. Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.
O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders, Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.
Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.
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Well said Brian. Unfortunately, most of the players in your "shit stirrers" list could also appear in your other list.
I'm at about 6/10 on Garde - he's clearly not to blame, but I would like more of an effort to change things round and motivate the players, notwithstanding the crap hand he's been dealt.
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The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde. He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room. Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.
O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders, Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.
Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.
I agree with a lot of your points Brian, and as always you speak sense. But surely these bad eggs should be dropped?
And I know that's easier said than done,but we have players in the reserves/under 21's who,if good enough,should be playing.
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The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde. He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room. Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.
O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders, Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.
Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.
Agreed
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It was one of those games yesterday where the opposition were so mediocre, if we'd have given more of a shit, we could have got at least a point out of the game. We just didn't look interested.
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It was one of those games yesterday where the opposition were so mediocre, if we'd have given more of a shit, we could have got at least a point out of the game. We just didn't look interested.
So our owners attitude has filtered down to the playing squad. Great!
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The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde. He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room. Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.
O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders, Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.
Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.
I agree with a lot of your points Brian, and as always you speak sense. But surely these bad eggs should be dropped?
And I know that's easier said than done,but we have players in the reserves/under 21's who,if good enough,should be playing.
We will never really know how good Garde is though will we? If he has any sense at all he will get out at the end of the season.
Hes had Sherwood's/the FIFA 16 best buys to manage for his part of the season. He didn't have the gravitas to unite a disfunctional dressing room and thats been apparent on the pitch.
This bunch of players knew they were relegated whilst Media Tim was still manager. A missed opportunity to buy in January wasnt Garde's fault and merely confirmed to this squad and the manager that the people at the top had accepted relegation was an inevitability too.
To bring a promising couple of kids in from the U21's [if we have any?] could do them a lot more harm than good. Bad attitudes from senior players can last a long time.
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Garde is telling it like it is, up to the Liverpool game he'd managed to get a tune out of them but up against some quality played last week we crumbled like the fragile structure we are.
Maybe the return of Agbonlahor to the match day dressing room has re-ignited the animosity toward Garde from the old lags or we really are that poor in terms of quality, however the frustration is clear to see on his face and any anger or stick should be aimed squarely at Lerner for fucking him and us over like no other owner ever has.
I will be there on Tuesday and my only hope is we all focus 100 percent on Lerner and while the game is on support the team.
Fuck Lerner I hate what he has done to our club.
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If Remi Garde is going I would rather wait for him to clear out the players at the end of season first and then new manager got to buy new team and work with it without our overpaid crap.
What this comment about
Oh and Selma Hayek didn't bring us any luck either, the dozy cow! ? Any evidence of Salma Hayek at the match as I love her in films ;)
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Brian understand where you are coming from, my own view on Remi, I have never been sure, but whilst he continues to play Bacuna and Westwood week after week, he is losing me more and more each week.
I also do not like this self preservation mode that the players and the manager are going into, to the detriment of the club. The players we know are a bunch of self centered arse holes, but if Remi has been stitched up as bad as it appears, he should be able to walk out the door and say to Randy and his cronies, see you at the tribunal.
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In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achieveable.
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Sadly I wasn't there but reading this thread and the BBC match report one thing really, really irritates me- the following comment from Remi Garde:" we started the second half too poorly and when you are 2-0 down it is over".
With 36 minutes to go we are two goals down and the game is over? That is an awful attitude. A fortnight ago Sunderland came back from the same score with only 12 minutes to go at Liverpool, a much tougher task. I reckon Leicester got out of their predicament last season by virtue of attitude as much as ability, and I want our players to at least give their all for 90minutes in every game.
He is right though, we have struggled for goals all season and without Ayew we pose very little threat. Sunderland had Defoe, we've got Gabby.
All the huff and puff in the world counts for nought if you can't score goals.
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A new owner and manager next season is the straw I am currently clutching at. If the club is not revitalised from top to bottom the outlook , in my opinion, is pretty bleak.
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Comfortably numb. Defeats don't even hurt anymore.
Genius !!!
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The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde. He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room. Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.
O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders, Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.
Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.
Agreed
Seconded
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The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde. He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room. Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.
O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders, Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.
Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.
Agreed
Seconded
Thirded
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New owner, players and manager please.
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I accept that we shouldn't throw several youngsters on to start a match, but surely putting one or two onto the pitch for the last 20 minutes or so is the way to go. For one thing their sheer enthusiasm might bring a change in attitude from the others, and also maybe upset the opposition from its slumbers, and secondly it would raise the enthusiasm amongst the supporters who would surely get behind them and urge them on.
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In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achievable.
I beg to differ, clearly you have forgotten , or weren't around at the time but Villa were in shambolic state back in 1967, when the club was relegated from the first tier of English football for the third time . The board of directors resigned , under extreme pressure from the fans and the club was then relegated to the Third Division.
But something good eventually came out of all this, in 1974 Villa returned to the Second Division as champions , by 1974 Ron Saunders had been appointed manager and by 1975 had led the club back into the First Division and into European competition..
They say the darkest night is just before dawn, unfortunately we will have to wait at least a year before we see a new dawn....at least a year!......Godzvilla!
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The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde. He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room. Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.
O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders, Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.
Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.
Agreed
Seconded
Thirded
Fourthed. Garde's been done up like the proverbial Kipper & has zero chance of managing this bunch of pathetically inadequate individuals successfully. Lerner is the disease at this club & all hope lies with somebody with something close to the ludicrous ransom demand to come to our rescue. I'm not holding my breath.
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Oh, and as for the capitulation yesterday? Quelle fecking surprise.
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In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achieveable.
What do you consider a reasonable price?
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This reference back to 67, football is a totally different game now, then with our reputation and ability to pull in decent size crowds,it was possible to close the gap very quickly, Man U , Spurs 71 final, we were still a massive club, we are on the way down this time with maggot size clubs ready to leave us far far behind, Stoke, Palace, West Wanky Albion, Leicester, West Ham, shall I go on. big difference TV money end of.
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In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achievable.
I beg to differ, clearly you have forgotten , or weren't around at the time but Villa were in shambolic state back in 1967, when the club was relegated from the first tier of English football for the third time . The board of directors resigned , under extreme pressure from the fans and the club was then relegated to the Third Division.
But something good eventually came out of all this, in 1974 Villa returned to the Second Division as champions , by 1974 Ron Saunders had been appointed manager and by 1975 had led the club back into the First Division and into European competition..
They say the darkest night is just before dawn, unfortunately we will have to wait at least a year before we see a new dawn....at least a year!......Godzvilla!
My memory certainly does stretch back to the meeting at Digbeth Civil Hall which I attended and yes the club were in a dire state then. We were lucky that Pat Matthews bailed us out and installed Doug and The Doc to give us some hope. The difference being this time the owner does not look like going the playing staff are uniformly dreadful /difficult and with nobody apparently interested in buying us(unless you know something different) we are in a very black hole indeed.
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In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achieveable.
What do you consider a reasonable price?
One that might attract a serious bid.
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In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achieveable.
What do you consider a reasonable price?
A price that would hurt Lerner in the pocket as painful as the hurt he's inflicted on this club for the past 6 years.
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Like others have said it was totally different in 1967. At that time it was like we had missed the bus but another one would be along in 5 minutes. Today it is more like we have missed Halley's comet. It won't be back round for many a year.
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Couple of things, the away support was awesome yesterday. My lads local team had some tickets to the left of the away fans and we created noise and atmosphere the entire day. A real credit.
After the game a mate hung around the players exit with a few other fans getting autographs. Two of players leaving the ground were challenged by the fans about their performance. The response "yea but we're still rich" as they got into their super cars.
And that's exactly what's wrong.
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Couple of things, the away support was awesome yesterday. My lads local team had some tickets to the left of the away fans and we created noise and atmosphere the entire day. A real credit.
After the game a mate hung around the players exit with a few other fans getting autographs. Two of players leaving the ground were challenged by the fans about their performance. The response "yea but we're still rich" as they got into their super cars.
And that's exactly what's wrong.
Stuff like that doesn't bother me. If fans were abusing them then they can't complain if they get a little bit back. Footballers are only human too. Besides, they're not the root cause of Aston Villa's horrible decline.
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Why would the players be in their cars and not on the coach?
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Why would the players be in their cars and not on the coach?
Yeah I thought that. I doubt if Villa players were allowed to turn up at Stoke in their cars.
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Couple of things, the away support was awesome yesterday. My lads local team had some tickets to the left of the away fans and we created noise and atmosphere the entire day. A real credit.
After the game a mate hung around the players exit with a few other fans getting autographs. Two of players leaving the ground were challenged by the fans about their performance. The response "yea but we're still rich" as they got into their super cars.
And that's exactly what's wrong.
Sounds like a made up story to me. And this fans approaching players after games thing has to stop. You wouldn't expect someone to do that to someone who has an office job and is performing badly, so don't do it to Footballers. There are other more productive ways to go about it.
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Watched the egg chasing, and glad I did too. Great afternoon in the pub watching a proper game with friends.
Nothing like the bunch of pussies who claim to be Villa players. What a disgrace.
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Watched the egg chasing, and glad I did too. Great afternoon in the pub watching a proper game with friends.
Nothing like the bunch of pussies who claim to be Villa players. What a disgrace.
Has always struck me as a deeply shambolic graceless sport where many of the players don't appear to understand the rules.
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Watched the egg chasing, and glad I did too. Great afternoon in the pub watching a proper game with friends.
Nothing like the bunch of pussies who claim to be Villa players. What a disgrace.
Has always struck me as a deeply shambolic graceless sport where many of the players don't appear to understand the rules.
Are you talking about rugby or the Villa?
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What's all this about our fans throwing coins at Butland? I really hope it isn't true.
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However shit it's been you have to admire our away following. That's why I believe that next season, even if we are in the Championship Villa fans will suck dry any modicum of success. The attendances likely won't be great initially, but if we are challenging and winning games we will back the club in our thousands. If Derby average 30k+ then we sure as hell will.
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What's all this about our fans throwing coins at Butland? I really hope it isn't true.
Click me (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35681662)
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Not all the players got on the coach - why would I make the story up?
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Our away support next season will be phenomenal given more of the grounds will be allocated to us.
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Got to admit, I struggle to believe that any players would be allowed to travel independently to an away game.
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It happens in the lower leagues, for example Plymouth play at Carlisle, if a player is from Newcastle he'll be allowed to stay up there for a couple of days before making his own way back, even then he'll travel up with the rest of the team. Seems strange for a PL club to do it for an away game that's an hour away.
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Our away support next season will be phenomenal given more of the grounds will be allocated to us.
Blackburn and Huddersfield will have the biggest away ends at around 4,000. MK Dons usually have 3,000, but last season they gave Wolves a 9,000 allocation.
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In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achieveable.
What do you consider a reasonable price?
One that might attract a serious bid.
Which would be how much do you think?
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In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achieveable.
What do you consider a reasonable price?
One that might attract a serious bid.
Which would be how much do you think?
Perhaps it should be less than he paid for it? After all, he bought a Premier League club, and will be selling a Championship Club. That's if he ever gets his act together.
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Leeds took 6K to MK this season. Even Burton with a small ground gave 2K to Walsall yesterday. Also yesterday Bolton gave Burnley 3900, sha took over 3200 to QPR, Boro had around 4K at Fulham. There's some decent allocations to be had down there.
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In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achieveable.
What do you consider a reasonable price?
One that might attract a serious bid.
Which would be how much do you think?
Perhaps it should be less than he paid for it? After all, he bought a Premier League club, and will be selling a Championship Club. That's if he ever gets his act together.
Would you sell it for less than you bought it?
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Not exactly a sellers market though Clamps. He surely can't expect to recoup his outlay. If he does then it will be an Everton situation ten years to be taken over.
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Why would the players be in their cars and not on the coach?
Yeah I thought that. I doubt if Villa players were allowed to turn up at Stoke in their cars.
Did grealish get on the coach after everton away when later that evening he was apparently in a manchester nightclub
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If I'd bought a classic car, ran it into the ground, crashed it and given it a 'dodgy' spray job, then I 'd expect considerably less money than I paid for it.
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In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achieveable.
What do you consider a reasonable price?
One that might attract a serious bid.
Which would be how much do you think?
Perhaps it should be less than he paid for it? After all, he bought a Premier League club, and will be selling a Championship Club. That's if he ever gets his act together.
Would you sell it for less than you bought it?
It is only worth what someone will pay for it and that is very little right now.
He won't get what he paid for it, let alone the 150 million he has spent on it.
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Couple of things, the away support was awesome yesterday. My lads local team had some tickets to the left of the away fans and we created noise and atmosphere the entire day. A real credit.
After the game a mate hung around the players exit with a few other fans getting autographs. Two of players leaving the ground were challenged by the fans about their performance. The response "yea but we're still rich" as they got into their super cars.
And that's exactly what's wrong.
Stuff like that doesn't bother me. If fans were abusing them then they can't complain if they get a little bit back. Footballers are only human too. Besides, they're not the root cause of Aston Villa's horrible decline.
Apart from the one you refer to as a stain?
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In our 142 years of existence the club has never been in such a shambolic state. We have been awful in the past but nothing quite like this. Every facet of the club appears to be dreadful and its all down to the club owner. Unless he sells at a reasonable price we have no chance of starting a recovery of any sort. Even with new owners the task would be huge and quite possibly not achieveable.
What do you consider a reasonable price?
A price that would hurt Lerner in the pocket as painful as the hurt he's inflicted on this club for the past 6 years.
So how much should he throw at a potential buyer to take it off his hand?
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Are there poisonous players at the club ? We just don't know.
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To be fair I remember leaving stoke's ground by coach a few years ago and after being held up for ages we saw 2 or 3 Villa players getting into a car. We assumed they lived nearer that area or in the north west so weren't going back on the coach.
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If I'd bought a classic car, ran it into the ground, crashed it and given it a 'dodgy' spray job, then I 'd expect considerably less money than I paid for it.
So you'd sell Aston Villa for less than £68m? Really?
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Our away support next season will be phenomenal given more of the grounds will be allocated to us.
Not that I want to be relegated but away support in the old third division was a real joy to be part of.
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Away at Swindon will always be one of my best Villa memories and I have got a few.
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If I'd bought a classic car, ran it into the ground, crashed it and given it a 'dodgy' spray job, then I 'd expect considerably less money than I paid for it.
So you'd sell Aston Villa for less than £68m? Really?
I don't think he could get 368million, unless you believe the Everon number, which I don't.
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Away at Swindon will always be one of my best Villa memories and I have got a few.
Mine too. Doesn't make me feel any better about relegation though.
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If I'd bought a classic car, ran it into the ground, crashed it and given it a 'dodgy' spray job, then I 'd expect considerably less money than I paid for it.
So you'd sell Aston Villa for less than £68m? Really?
He's announced to the world he's looking to sell so the power is immediately with any potential buyer. Even Randy can't believe that he will get the same or more money for a Championship club than he paid for a Premier League club. And the vast, vast majority of his £300m left the club in the pockets of largely awful footballers - there's nothing left to show for it.
With all that, on what basis should he expect any more than £68m?
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Bacuna and Westwood. Please fuck off.
Both given 5 year contracts at the start of the season. If it wasn't so mind-blowingly incompetent it would be comical.
To be fair, it's been said players were given new contracts to allow relegation clauses to be added.
One would hope that in Bacuna's case, it means we can sack the fucker.
Oh that worked well then!...
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If I'd bought a classic car, ran it into the ground, crashed it and given it a 'dodgy' spray job, then I 'd expect considerably less money than I paid for it.
So you'd sell Aston Villa for less than £68m? Really?
He's announced to the world he's looking to sell so the power is immediately with any potential buyer. Even Randy can't believe that he will get the same or more money for a Championship club than he paid for a Premier League club. And the vast, vast majority of his £300m left the club in the pockets of largely awful footballers - there's nothing left to show for it.
With all that, on what basis should he expect any more than £68m?
Selling it for the same price he bought it for from Doug would be an absolutely horrendous way to come full circle. The debris and carnage in the middle of that circle simply astonishing.
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The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde. He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room. Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.
O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders, Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.
Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.
Agreed, Brian.
There have been some on here that have not been fully on board with Garde's appointment from day one. They are starting to become more vociferous.
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Most amusing thing at yesterday's game was a guy a couple of rows in front of me reading a book on Kindle during the second-half. The bus ride from The Terrace to the ground was good fun.
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The pelters that fat lad in the home end was getting during the second half amused me.
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The pelters that fat lad in the home end was getting during the second half amused me.
Saw him from the bus back to the station afterwards; he took great delight in lifting his tee shirt to reveal a very fat stomach when he saw the Villa buses passing (reckon he must be a Geordie in disguise ;))
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The end will truly be nigh if the fans start to abuse Remi Garde. He has been royally fucked over since the day he arrived both by the board and the Sherwood rump in the dressing room. Garde is the first manager I have simultaneously liked and admired since Graham Taylor.
O'Leary, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, KMac, none of them fit to tie the bootlaces of Joe Mercer, Vic Crowe, Ron Saunders, Brian Little, Tony Barton or Graham Taylor.
Blaming Remi Garde for not being able to cope with an owner like Lerner, a board like Fox and Hollis and players like Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna (shit stirrers) and Westwood, Clark, Richardson, Gestede, Sinclair and Cissoko (shit players) is like blaming a fire engine driver for a fire.
Agreed, Brian.
There have been some on here that have not been fully on board with Garde's appointment from day one. They are starting to become more vociferous.
What a wonderfully succinct summation. We need something to pin some hope to. In Garde we trust.
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Why would the players be in their cars and not on the coach?
Yeah I thought that. I doubt if Villa players were allowed to turn up at Stoke in their cars.
A couple of years ago I remember Friedel and Heskey made their own way back as they both still lived in Cheshire so no point travelling back down to Bodymoor and then having to drive back up north.
From the comments I would take an educated guess that it came out of the mouth of someone who represented Man. City for quite a while hence him making his own way back home.
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If I'd bought a classic car, ran it into the ground, crashed it and given it a 'dodgy' spray job, then I 'd expect considerably less money than I paid for it.
So you'd sell Aston Villa for less than £68m? Really?
He's announced to the world he's looking to sell so the power is immediately with any potential buyer. Even Randy can't believe that he will get the same or more money for a Championship club than he paid for a Premier League club. And the vast, vast majority of his £300m left the club in the pockets of largely awful footballers - there's nothing left to show for it.
With all that, on what basis should he expect any more than £68m?
I've got no qualms with him losing money, that's business. I've also got no qualms with him trying to get back a bit of the money that he invested. If it was your club you would try and do the same.
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If I'd bought a classic car, ran it into the ground, crashed it and given it a 'dodgy' spray job, then I 'd expect considerably less money than I paid for it.
So you'd sell Aston Villa for less than £68m? Really?
He's announced to the world he's looking to sell so the power is immediately with any potential buyer. Even Randy can't believe that he will get the same or more money for a Championship club than he paid for a Premier League club. And the vast, vast majority of his £300m left the club in the pockets of largely awful footballers - there's nothing left to show for it.
With all that, on what basis should he expect any more than £68m?
I've got no qualms with him losing money, that's business. I've also got no qualms with him trying to get back a bit of the money that he invested. If it was your club you would try and do the same.
Exactly - and market forces dictate that he`ll get nothing like what he paid for us now we`re effectively down.
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If I'd bought a classic car, ran it into the ground, crashed it and given it a 'dodgy' spray job, then I 'd expect considerably less money than I paid for it.
So you'd sell Aston Villa for less than £68m? Really?
Me? No. But I'm actually interested in Aston Villa. I give a shit. If I were a billionaire whose continued ownership of the club meant it was plunged into ever deeper trouble, then I'd look to offload as soon as possible - regardless of losses - with profound apologies to my fellow Villans.
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If I'd bought a classic car, ran it into the ground, crashed it and given it a 'dodgy' spray job, then I 'd expect considerably less money than I paid for it.
So you'd sell Aston Villa for less than £68m? Really?
Me? No. But I'm actually interested in Aston Villa. I give a shit. If I were a billionaire whose continued ownership of the club meant it was plunged into ever deeper trouble, then I'd look to offload as soon as possible - regardless of losses - with profound apologies to my fellow Villans.
So would I but he has to sell to the right people as well, not just as soon as possible.
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True, Clampy. I really don't know what's going through his mind, but I doubt it has any real focus on getting us sold at this present moment in time. All he's concerned with right now, probably, is letting Hollis make sure costs are as low as possible in the Championship with a view to a swift return.
My feeling is the club thinks it will be easier to get out of that division than it will be in reality. If plan A fails, plan B will probably involve a much heavier loss on Lerner's part. As a billionaire, he'll be able to take it. The true losers in all this are Villa fans.
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The pelters that fat lad in the home end was getting during the second half amused me.
Saw him from the bus back to the station afterwards; he took great delight in lifting his tee shirt to reveal a very fat stomach when he saw the Villa buses passing (reckon he must be a Geordie in disguise ;))
he loves it , probably gets it at every match , and what about the other prat in the front row who kept pointing at the floor , anyway back to the fat ****** , i found it a bit embarassing at the amount of stick he was getting as around me there were a few quite fat villa fans
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True, Clampy. I really don't know what's going through his mind, but I doubt it has any real focus on getting us sold at this present moment in time. All he's concerned with right now, probably, is letting Hollis make sure costs are as low as possible in the Championship with a view to a swift return.
My feeling is the club thinks it will be easier to get out of that division than it will be in reality. If plan A fails, plan B will probably involve a much heavier loss on Lerner's part. As a billionaire, he'll be able to take it. The true losers in all this are Villa fans.
expect he will keep hold of the club now in the hope that he can sell it at the end of next season when we have been promoted........