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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Witton Warrior on February 04, 2016, 09:11:07 AM
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Just been told that staff at VP have received letters to attend a meeting today about potential redundancies - but nothing to do with impending relegation apparently?
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Wouldn't surprise me. It's so unfair though, one shit player like N'Zogbia probably earns the same as 100 admin staff.
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Hopefully Tom Fox and Paddy Reilly
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Wouldn't surprise me. It's so unfair though, one shit player like N'Zogbia probably earns the same as 100 admin staff.
Nzogbia's weekly wage would probably pay the annual salary for 3 employees. And pretty much all of the staff I've ever encountered at Villa Park have always shown more commitment to the Villa and our supporters than he's ever fucking done. Not just singling him out either, if the players had an ounce of conscience, they'd be doing something to help.
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You have to ask, what staff can they do without?
Relegated or not we will still need match day staff, unless they are thinking that attendances will drop to the point that we will not need a large number of staff?
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You have to ask, what staff can they do without?
Relegated or not we will still need match day staff, unless they are thinking that attendances will drop to the point that we will not need a large number of staff?
I doubt it would be anything to do with matchday staff.
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Wouldn't surprise me. It's so unfair though, one shit player like N'Zogbia probably earns the same as 100 admin staff.
Nzogbia's weekly wage would probably pay the annual salary for 3 employees. And pretty much all of the staff I've ever encountered at Villa Park have always shown more commitment to the Villa and our supporters than he's ever fucking done. Not just singling him out either, if the players had an ounce of conscience, they'd be doing something to help.
They don't have to do anything to help though. That's a depressing reality of the bubble many footballers live in.
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I hope they all leave with a goody bag containing a Proud History Bright Future DVD and Curtis Davies bobble head.
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Wait until you see the next lot of accounts then.
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This doesnt sit well with me given the wages the players are on and I still reckon the whole scenario was a ploy by the board to lower the running costs. Modern football is so out of touch with reality it is unbelieveable
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Hollis is clearly cast as the hatchet man in our rapidly accelerating decline into non premier league footballing irrelevance.
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It all depends which roles are going though. If they are for jobs that don't add any sort of value and instead are part of our overall problem, then maybe it's a positive sign that we're dealing with it.
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Drummond I assume you are referring to the Head of Player Recruitment?
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It all depends which roles are going though. If they are for jobs that don't add any sort of value and instead are part of our overall problem, then maybe it's a positive sign that we're dealing with it.
As in fox, reilly & the other dipshit going yeh I'm all for it.
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I know one permanent member of staff and another who works with the Women's team. Will try and find out what goes on...
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Well I hope the current holder of the Club Archives is not included in the cost cutting. She has only been in situ a couple of months.
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Wouldn't surprise me. It's so unfair though, one shit player like N'Zogbia probably earns the same as 100 admin staff.
Nzogbia's weekly wage would probably pay the annual salary for 3 employees. And pretty much all of the staff I've ever encountered at Villa Park have always shown more commitment to the Villa and our supporters than he's ever fucking done. Not just singling him out either, if the players had an ounce of conscience, they'd be doing something to help.
This is probably irrelevant. With someone like Hollis coming in the first thing he'll have done is review the company structure charts and work out who fits where, if in that process he found departments that were overstaffed or roles that were unneeded he'll recommend redundancies, that's pretty much standard for any mid to large company, especially one that has seen the number of changes that we have it's pretty easy to end up with a couple of staff who turn up every day, make tea, keep the kitchen and office tidy but don't actually do much real work. All the players offering to have a 10% wage cut wouldn't mean we'd suddenly think it was ok to employ people who have no work to do or are doing a job that should be covered by someone else.
As I said above, I doubt it will be matchday staff because I'm fairly sure a big chunk of those are agency staff so a reduction in requirement would be absorbed by the agency.
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Wouldn't surprise me. It's so unfair though, one shit player like N'Zogbia probably earns the same as 100 admin staff.
Nzogbia's weekly wage would probably pay the annual salary for 3 employees. And pretty much all of the staff I've ever encountered at Villa Park have always shown more commitment to the Villa and our supporters than he's ever fucking done. Not just singling him out either, if the players had an ounce of conscience, they'd be doing something to help.
This is probably irrelevant. With someone like Hollis coming in the first thing he'll have done is review the company structure charts and work out who fits where, if in that process he found departments that were overstaffed or roles that were unneeded he'll recommend redundancies, that's pretty much standard for any mid to large company, especially one that has seen the number of changes that we have it's pretty easy to end up with a couple of staff who turn up every day, make tea, keep the kitchen and office tidy but don't actually do much real work. All the players offering to have a 10% wage cut wouldn't mean we'd suddenly think it was ok to employ people who have no work to do or are doing a job that should be covered by someone else.
As I said above, I doubt it will be matchday staff because I'm fairly sure a big chunk of those are agency staff so a reduction in requirement would be absorbed by the agency.
I know what I said is irrelevant but I think it perfectly sums up the difference between those who don't care as much but who earn stupid money ( and are the cause of why we are where we are) and some people who could lose their jobs who really do care about the club and its fans.
What sums up the gulf even better though is Lescott and Guzan kicking chewing gum, hooning around and earning thousands while a couple of thousand Villa fans are watching us get pulled all over the pitch by Wycombe.
I think more of the good staff at Villa Park than any of the players
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You have to ask, what staff can they do without?
Relegated or not we will still need match day staff, unless they are thinking that attendances will drop to the point that we will not need a large number of staff?
On the corporate side, matchday hospitality, the sky lounge
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I can't help but suspect wages are another area where Randy has pulled off the feat of being wrong in completely opposite ways. We have paid astronomical wages to rubbish players and managers and now we're penny pinching with salaries that are infinitesimal in the scheme on things.
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I can't help but suspect wages are another area where Randy has pulled off the feat of being wrong in completely opposite ways. We have paid astronomical wages to rubbish players and managers and now we're penny pinching with salaries that are infinitesimal in the scheme on things.
We were just working out that Charlie's weekly wage would cover the average annual salary of 2 staff - over 100 a people a year!
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They're probably all being told that instead of picking up wages they'll each get £1,500's worth a free tickets a game next season.
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I can't help but suspect wages are another area where Randy has pulled off the feat of being wrong in completely opposite ways. We have paid astronomical wages to rubbish players and managers and now we're penny pinching with salaries that are infinitesimal in the scheme on things.
We were just working out that Charlie's weekly wage would cover the average annual salary of 2 staff - over 100 a people a year!
More than that mate if he is on 65k a week I would imagine you could double that to 200, a lot of staff such as security and kitchen staff aint going to be on a lot more than 15k a year
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So it begins.
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it's pretty easy to end up with a couple of staff who turn up every day, make tea, keep the kitchen and office tidy but don't actually do much real work
*startled look*
*hastily flicks excel spreadsheet to front of screen*
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it's pretty easy to end up with a couple of staff who turn up every day, make tea, keep the kitchen and office tidy but don't actually do much real work
*startled look*
*hastily flicks excel spreadsheet to front of screen*
Get a job working from home where you pick your own hours, it saves that panic... :P
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Do you know how hard it is to find someone who makes a great cuppa?
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We aren't allowed to say as***t str**ping, are we?
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Edit: bugger my post didn't work.
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There was the story when Sunderland made a load of staff redundant including canteen staff at their training ground and Michael Gray pulled onto the car park in the brand new Porsche he had just taken delivery of. I believe he wasn't very popular.
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it's pretty easy to end up with a couple of staff who turn up every day, make tea, keep the kitchen and office tidy but don't actually do much real work.
Ah, I see you've worked at the University of Birmingham too.
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There was the story when Sunderland made a load of staff redundant including canteen staff at their training ground and Michael Gray pulled onto the car park in the brand new Porsche he had just taken delivery of. I believe he wasn't very popular.
I remember standing outside the old Trinity Road stand (selling H&V) when I overheard two guys talking about what they were going to do after they were made redundant from Rover and how hard it was going to be. Just as Lee Hendrie drove past in his 911 (I think it was a 911)
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Still can't understand why we can't stop paying redundant players like N'Zogbia. Or at least make him contribute to staff wages to prevent them losing their jobs.
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Still can't understand why we can't stop paying redundant players like N'Zogbia. Or at least make him contribute to staff wages to prevent them losing their jobs.
A tiny little legal technicality called his contract.
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of course he is totally entitled to his money but it always strikes how difficult it appears to be to terminate a footballer's contract compared to other professions
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of course he is totally entitled to his money but it always strikes how difficult it appears to be to terminate a footballer's contract compared to other professions
totally, you keep hearing that football is a business but the things they do like contracts and player wages as a percentage of turnover is mental
If you are shit at any other job you would get moved on and have a couple of months money as notice - if you're lucky
Football they just pay your contract in full
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of course he is totally entitled to his money but it always strikes how difficult it appears to be to terminate a footballer's contract compared to other professions
totally, you keep hearing that football is a business but the things they do like contracts and player wages as a percentage of turnover is mental
If you are shit at any other job you would get moved on and have a couple of months money as notice - if you're lucky
Football they just pay your contract in full
It's designed to give security to both parties.
So you're right that in other jobs there is the possibility of moving out an ineffective employee, but there is also nothing to stop a brilliant employee quitting and moving to a better job elsewhere.
It's the same factor that keeps dross like N'Zogbia with us for so long, as kept Benteke with us for more than one season.
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From what I hear most weeks from my partner it can still cost rather a lot of money releasing people from a contract when they are crap at their job.
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it's pretty easy to end up with a couple of staff who turn up every day, make tea, keep the kitchen and office tidy but don't actually do much real work
*startled look*
*hastily flicks excel spreadsheet to front of screen*
Looks from side to side. .. moves phone closer to body to ensure no one can see
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it's pretty easy to end up with a couple of staff who turn up every day, make tea, keep the kitchen and office tidy but don't actually do much real work
*startled look*
*hastily flicks excel spreadsheet to front of screen*
Looks from side to side. .. moves phone closer to body to ensure no one can see
Cup of tea anyone?
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Get a job working from home where you pick your own hours, it saves that panic... :P
and it's clothing optional too...
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Get a job working from home where you pick your own hours, it saves that panic... :P
and it's clothing optional too...
ssssh, no one needs to know about that (although I spend most of the day on video conferences so...
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Apropos absolutely nothing, I loathe the term "working from home" and firmly believe it should be "working at home". People who watched Tuesday's unpleasantness somewhere other than Upton Park won't describe their viewing experience as "watching from home/the pub/dodgy Arabic stream" now, will they?
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Apropos absolutely nothing, I loathe the term "working from home" and firmly believe it should be "working at home". People who watched Tuesday's unpleasantness somewhere other than Upton Park won't describe their viewing experience as "watching from home/the pub/dodgy Arabic stream" now, will they?
I disagree, if you are working at home you are putting up shelves or doing the vacuuming.
Chris, posting from home.
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I'm with Chris, Working at home feels like you're doing something that requires you to be at home. Working from home, to me, implies that you're doing a job that would normally be office based.
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of course he is totally entitled to his money but it always strikes how difficult it appears to be to terminate a footballer's contract compared to other professions
totally, you keep hearing that football is a business but the things they do like contracts and player wages as a percentage of turnover is mental
If you are shit at any other job you would get moved on and have a couple of months money as notice - if you're lucky
Football they just pay your contract in full
It's designed to give security to both parties.
So you're right that in other jobs there is the possibility of moving out an ineffective employee, but there is also nothing to stop a brilliant employee quitting and moving to a better job elsewhere.
It's the same factor that keeps dross like N'Zogbia with us for so long, as kept Benteke with us for more than one season.
True but overall I still think it favours the player over the employer, especially as release clauses become more common. It's like me strolling into a pay negotiation and saying"'I've was really good at my job last year, please give me a contract that says you'll pay me, for a period of no less than one third of my working life, an amount that assumes I'll continue to be really good, and work to my best ability".
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Sorry, I was away 'celebrating' ;)
I'm with Chris and Paul too.
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of course he is totally entitled to his money but it always strikes how difficult it appears to be to terminate a footballer's contract compared to other professions
totally, you keep hearing that football is a business but the things they do like contracts and player wages as a percentage of turnover is mental
If you are shit at any other job you would get moved on and have a couple of months money as notice - if you're lucky
Football they just pay your contract in full
It's designed to give security to both parties.
So you're right that in other jobs there is the possibility of moving out an ineffective employee, but there is also nothing to stop a brilliant employee quitting and moving to a better job elsewhere.
It's the same factor that keeps dross like N'Zogbia with us for so long, as kept Benteke with us for more than one season.
True but overall I still think it favours the player over the employer, especially as release clauses become more common. It's like me strolling into a pay negotiation and saying"'I've was really good at my job last year, please give me a contract that says you'll pay me, for a period of no less than one third of my working life, an amount that assumes I'll continue to be really good, and work to my best ability".
These things go in cycles - until the Bosman ruling the clubs had all the power, then that power shifted to the players, that was then transferred to the agents and now the amount of money going around is going to shift the balance of power back to the clubs.
Look at Berahino for example - by all accounts West Brom turned down an offer of £24m in January for a player with less than 18 months remaining on his deal, who they're hardly using just because they can.
Even as recently as a couple of years ago they'd never have risked that potential loss of income.
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Also, Pulis' one inch member is a market distorting factor.
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The Community Department are a little bit unsure of their future at the moment.
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We aren't allowed to say as***t str**ping, are we?
Can you explain how redundancies at Villa Park equates to asset striping?
If there's one thing Lerner isn't, it's an asset stripper (unless you count his own bank account / family trust.)
What kind of asset stripper devalues the asset the more he poured in?
And then compounds it by mis-managing the club to a point where probably 50% of the value is about to be written off and we wait with bated breath to find out what relegation clauses are in contracts, both for wage reduction and release clauses?
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The Community Department are a little bit unsure of their future at the moment.
Now getting rid of that would be a dreadful and totally stupid indicator of the things to come.
So it's not going to happen.
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The Community Department are a little bit unsure of their future at the moment.
Now getting rid of that would be a dreadful and totally stupid indicator of the things to come.
So it's not going to happen.
I agree on 2 fronts.
If you look at the CSR pages on the website, there are dozens of projects that really make a difference to life for people in the local communities which would be a severe kick in the proverbials to those affected if they disappeared.
The second is, no matter how shit things have been on the pitch, the off the pitch stuff is the one thing that they've consistently got right from day 1. Take that small crumb of comfort away and it really is grim.
That's before you get to it being horrible for the staff involved.
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Wouldn't surprise me. It's so unfair though, one shit player like N'Zogbia probably earns the same as 100 admin staff.
Yes that is the most horrific thing about football today.
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The Community Department are a little bit unsure of their future at the moment.
Now getting rid of that would be a dreadful and totally stupid indicator of the things to come.
So it's not going to happen.
I agree on 2 fronts.
If you look at the CSR pages on the website, there are dozens of projects that really make a difference to life for people in the local communities which would be a severe kick in the proverbials to those affected if they disappeared.
The second is, no matter how shit things have been on the pitch, the off the pitch stuff is the one thing that they've consistently got right from day 1. Take that small crumb of comfort away and it really is grim.
That's before you get to it being horrible for the staff involved.
It won't matter how much good the projects do - if they put an accountant in charge things will be cut to fit the budget - regardless of who good they are. The same happens when we have a Tory government.
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The Community Department are a little bit unsure of their future at the moment.
Now getting rid of that would be a dreadful and totally stupid indicator of the things to come.
So it's not going to happen.
I agree on 2 fronts.
If you look at the CSR pages on the website, there are dozens of projects that really make a difference to life for people in the local communities which would be a severe kick in the proverbials to those affected if they disappeared.
The second is, no matter how shit things have been on the pitch, the off the pitch stuff is the one thing that they've consistently got right from day 1. Take that small crumb of comfort away and it really is grim.
That's before you get to it being horrible for the staff involved.
It won't matter how much good the projects do - if they put an accountant in charge things will be cut to fit the budget - regardless of who good they are. The same happens when we have a Tory government.
I agree with both of you.
Just, like both of you, hanging on for common sense rather than short term apparent fiscal expediency.
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Footbaalers are like bankers.
They still get paid loads of money - no matter how poor they perform.
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Cut £60m from the club's revenue and lots of thing don't happen. Albion shut half of their hospitality last time they were relegated.
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Cut £60m from the club's revenue and lots of thing don't happen. Albion shut half of their hospitality last time they were relegated.
Big tray of devilled eggs reduced to a tray of cheese and pineapple on sticks?
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11662/10150692/did-aston-villa-pave-the-way-for-foreign-players-sky-sports-speaks-with-the-premier-leagues-first-player-liaison-officer (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11662/10150692/did-aston-villa-pave-the-way-for-foreign-players-sky-sports-speaks-with-the-premier-leagues-first-player-liaison-officer)
And I bet she will be getting her P45
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Wouldn't surprise me. It's so unfair though, one shit player like N'Zogbia probably earns the same as 100 admin staff.
Glad to see you've finally joined me in opposition to capitalism.
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Wouldn't surprise me. It's so unfair though, one shit player like N'Zogbia probably earns the same as 100 admin staff.
Glad to see you've finally joined me in opposition to capitalism.
Could the club have a reputation (among certain types of players) as a place where you can just turn up, sign a big contract, then do fuck-all and rake in the money?
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11662/10150692/did-aston-villa-pave-the-way-for-foreign-players-sky-sports-speaks-with-the-premier-leagues-first-player-liaison-officer (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11662/10150692/did-aston-villa-pave-the-way-for-foreign-players-sky-sports-speaks-with-the-premier-leagues-first-player-liaison-officer)
And I bet she will be getting her P45
The more I read about Graham Taylor the more I'm convinced he is the right man to be on the board. His football might be outdated but we need a person with the vision to create the right environment for the players to flourish.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11662/10150692/did-aston-villa-pave-the-way-for-foreign-players-sky-sports-speaks-with-the-premier-leagues-first-player-liaison-officer (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11662/10150692/did-aston-villa-pave-the-way-for-foreign-players-sky-sports-speaks-with-the-premier-leagues-first-player-liaison-officer)
And I bet she will be getting her P45
The more I read about Graham Taylor the more I'm convinced he is the right man to be on the board. His football might be outdated but we need a person with the vision to create the right environment for the players to flourish.
I'm shocked we still only have PLO at the club.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11662/10150692/did-aston-villa-pave-the-way-for-foreign-players-sky-sports-speaks-with-the-premier-leagues-first-player-liaison-officer (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11662/10150692/did-aston-villa-pave-the-way-for-foreign-players-sky-sports-speaks-with-the-premier-leagues-first-player-liaison-officer)
And I bet she will be getting her P45
The more I read about Graham Taylor the more I'm convinced he is the right man to be on the board. His football might be outdated but we need a person with the vision to create the right environment for the players to flourish.
I'm shocked we still only have PLO at the club.
Didn't realise we had the PLO at the club.....The only people we hate more than the Blues are the fucking PLO........sorry Monty Python for the inept plagiarism!!!
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Lets hope Paddy Reilly and Henrik whatever-his-name-is are two of them, and my sincerest best wishes to the real casualties of all this.
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I hope there are no job losses in the ticket office...everyone in there are fantastic and are a credit to the club.
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I hope there are no job losses in the ticket office...everyone in there are fantastic and are a credit to the club.
You would think any businessman would realise that if we are going to be in the Championship next season - we will have more games - and hopefully if we start winning more often we might get bigger crowds! So we might need more staff in the ticket office not less.
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Also hope the players realise that the next time they pull out of a 50-50 ball or don't bust a gut to get in the box or miss a sitter time after time or Guzan doing his Dracula impersonation (don't like crosses) that the end product besides relegation is normal everyday hard working people losing there jobs
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I hope there are no job losses in the ticket office...everyone in there are fantastic and are a credit to the club.
Seconded.
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This is a bit of a mystery to me. The staff wages are paid by the PL for 1 season as part of the relegated clubs deal.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11662/10150692/did-aston-villa-pave-the-way-for-foreign-players-sky-sports-speaks-with-the-premier-leagues-first-player-liaison-officer (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11662/10150692/did-aston-villa-pave-the-way-for-foreign-players-sky-sports-speaks-with-the-premier-leagues-first-player-liaison-officer)
And I bet she will be getting her P45
Can't see Lorna being ditched...we'll still be signing foreign players next season as the likes of Boro and Hull have done as buying players in the premier league will still be pricey.
A sad reality of relegation I'm afraid.
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First out the door should be the people responsible for this shambles, turning a proud club into what we are this season.
Tom Fox, and your 'shortlist of one', I am 'flipping the coin' at you for not backing our new manager.
Scandalous that people earning so little in comparative terms are the ones to suffer for all their incompetent decisions.
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This is a bit of a mystery to me. The staff wages are paid by the PL for 1 season as part of the relegated clubs deal.
I'm hoping the meeting is to tell them everyone is OK for a year - didn't realise the PL paid the wages?
Probably find out Monday when I see said friend...
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This is a bit of a mystery to me. The staff wages are paid by the PL for 1 season as part of the relegated clubs deal.
I'm hoping the meeting is to tell them everyone is OK for a year - didn't realise the PL paid the wages?
Probably find out Monday when I see said friend...
Hope nobody gets the push, but if they do then a large "Sack the board,not the staff" should be sorted for our remaining games!
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This is a bit of a mystery to me. The staff wages are paid by the PL for 1 season as part of the relegated clubs deal.
I'm hoping the meeting is to tell them everyone is OK for a year - didn't realise the PL paid the wages?
Probably find out Monday when I see said friend...
Hope nobody gets the push, but if they do then a large "Sack the board,not the staff" should be sorted for our remaining games!
Told this morning there have been a few redundancy notices but the person is not sure which departments (not Finance or HR) - permanent staff seem unaffected which is good
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I see Mr Nursey is stirring it again about the redundancies. He's thrown in the fact that we're selling stock off cheap in the club shop. The bloke really hasn't got a clue.
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I see Mr Nursey is stirring it again about the redundancies. He's thrown in the fact that we're selling stock off cheap in the club shop. The bloke really hasn't got a clue.
Apparently the fact that we are selling calendars off cheap in February is evidence that Armageddon is impending.
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I see Mr Nursey is stirring it again about the redundancies. He's thrown in the fact that we're selling stock off cheap in the club shop. The bloke really hasn't got a clue.
Apparently the fact that we are selling calendars off cheap in February is evidence that Armageddon is impending.
He also mentions the fact that the training ground gear is going cheap. Maybe someone should tell him that we have a new it deal next season. What a twat.
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Hi All
Well we've seen the Board become Top Heavy with Hollis and Lord King joining Tom Fox and his Director of Football just what are they each going to do? Now it appears that if we get relegated the staff have been told there will be redundancies.
These people I would imagine earn very low wages working in the shop, ticket office and commercial departments, let's put it in perspective if Charles N'zogbia was a decent bloke he could leave now and save the club his wages of £60K + per week and the £1.3M pay off.
Just who's fault is it that we're in a mess; Randy Lerner must take most of the blame plus Tom Fox and his Director of Football who's only qualifications are in Marketing, then comes the players, all of these mentioned aren't exactly on the minimum wage! >:(
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Hi All
Well we've seen the Board become Top Heavy with Hollis and Lord King joining Tom Fox and his Director of Football just what are they each going to do? Now it appears that if we get relegated the staff have been told there will be redundancies.
These people I would imagine earn very low wages working in the shop, ticket office and commercial departments, let's put it in perspective if Charles N'zogbia was a decent bloke he could leave now and save the club his wages of £60K + per week and the £1.3M pay off.
Just who's fault is it that we're in a mess; Randy Lerner must take most of the blame plus Tom Fox and his Director of Football who's only qualifications are in Marketing, then comes the players, all of these mentioned aren't exactly on the minimum wage! >:(
Four directors (Robin Russell is, Almstadt isn't) isn't a particularly large board.
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These people I would imagine earn very low wages working in the shop, ticket office and commercial departments, let's put it in perspective if Charles N'zogbia was a decent bloke he could leave now and save the club his wages of £60K + per week and the £1.3M pay off.
I can't stand N'Zogbia, he's a shirker and has been a disaster for us.
I don't see why he should consider for a nanosecond writing off money he's owed by the club, though. Why should he?
Would you walk away from money your employer owed you just to help them out?
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I see Mr Nursey is stirring it again about the redundancies. He's thrown in the fact that we're selling stock off cheap in the club shop. The bloke really hasn't got a clue.
Apparently the fact that we are selling calendars off cheap in February is evidence that Armageddon is impending.
He also mentions the fact that the training ground gear is going cheap. Maybe someone should tell him that we have a new it deal next season. What a twat.
Nursey's just a typical red top journalist looking for a story. Doesn't let facts get in the way. Along with Pat Murphy, we seem to attract anti Villa correspondents.
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"Spending is expected to be slashed across commercial, academy and community departments, while in recent weeks Villa have already started to lay off match-day stewards and corporate hospitality staff because attendances at home games have fallen."
So it's the (fickle) supporters fault, obviously.
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They are falling so much we're averaging about the same as last season.
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They are falling so much we're averaging about the same as last season.
Yes, 30000+ is remarkable, all things considered. Just lazy journalism.
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That's exactly what I thought.
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Why don't Preece, Mepham or whoever it's called, pump good PR out there? Easier said than done currently but apart from the charitable work done with Acorns or VFM which the Media don't care about, we never seem to get positive stories about the club out there or at least make the tabloid guff look silly.
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Probably off topic.
Take a look at @JackWoodwardAV's Tweet: https://twitter.com/JackWoodwardAV/status/738429780685688832?s=09
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Every cloud...
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Probably off topic.
Take a look at @JackWoodwardAV's Tweet: https://twitter.com/JackWoodwardAV/status/738429780685688832?s=09
On the Simon Mayo/ Mark Kermode film review podcast recently they read out an email from one of the guys who does the match day music and announcements at VP. The last home game of the season was his last ever due to the cut backs. They played a brief recording of his colleague unknowingly reading out some obscure film references he had incorporated in the script.
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So the media team and player liaison officer have gone today? Does that mean that any club media will be outsourced or just disappear?
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So the media team and player liaison officer have gone today? Does that mean that any club media will be outsourced or just disappear?
Where did you see that?
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So the media team and player liaison officer have gone today? Does that mean that any club media will be outsourced or just disappear?
Where did you see that?
Well Jack posted obviously plus a couple of others tweeted farewells. Was posted that Lorna Mclleland has gone today also.
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So the media team and player liaison officer have gone today? Does that mean that any club media will be outsourced or just disappear?
Where did you see that?
Well Jack posted obviously plus a couple of others tweeted farewells. Was posted that Lorna Mclleland has gone today also.
It's bloody stupid if she's gone.
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Are some of these redundancies nesscery? Can't think that those employees are on that much money, and I presume we need someone to do their jobs. Besides which we've just had an influx of money or will do when the takeoever is confirmed. I feel bad for them as none of them have had any part in the mess the club currently finds itself in.
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The highly competent lady who deals with the clubs archives has been dispensed with.She goes shortly as well.Will we have any admin staff left to run the club? Getting rid of Lorna just does not make sense on any level.
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Alan Perrins, Lions Club coordinator left. Stripped to the bare bones. Thanks Randy..
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Unfortunately with any business that is losing money, cuts have to be made, and that usually means that people lose there jobs
I feel so sorry for anyone who loses there job, I have been in that situation and it is awful
But at least Gabby and Co, the real culprits get to keep there obscene weekly wages going into their bank accounts! and they will all have a nice few weeks relaxing in the sun and getting over the tiredness and exhaustion of there efforts last season
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Alan Perrins, Lions Club coordinator left. Stripped to the bare bones. Thanks Randy..
Some good news there then. The catastrophically self absorbed twat.
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So the media team and player liaison officer have gone today? Does that mean that any club media will be outsourced or just disappear?
Where did you see that?
Well Jack posted obviously plus a couple of others tweeted farewells. Was posted that Lorna Mclleland has gone today also.
It's bloody stupid if she's gone.
Very odd decision, if it's true.
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The club will soon get £47M in parachute payments, plus presumably several millions from the new owners. Can't see this as being that necessary at the moment. The last remnants of possibly the worst owner in Villa's history.
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The girl I know who works in Finance has managed to retain employment but they have incorporated 2 job titles into 1, made the original 4 jobs redundant posts and employed her in an entirely new role! To say there is massive upheaval would be an understatement
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Strange that Lorna Mclleland has gone and I did quite like Jack, so good luck to them both. Surprised about Alan Perrins as well, he's been here years.
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Alan Perrins, Lions Club coordinator left. Stripped to the bare bones. Thanks Randy..
Some good news there then. The catastrophically self absorbed twat.
What has he done to deserve such scorn?
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Just because we potentially have money coming in does not mean we should waste it - it is obvious our operation will be severely hit by relegation and as such changes had to be made. We cannot run a championship club with a premiership infrastructure and costs associated with it. Previously it was identified that we were running a poor premiership operation at Champions league costs.
If it was not the old regime it would have been the new - these are business men and they do not make emotional decisions.
If the new owners (whoever they were to be) came in and announced redundancies (which they would have had to) then it would hardly have enamoured themselves to the fans and the staff from the start. It is cleaner if the tough decisions and work is done before completion. As the sale was obviously close they had to move quickly and take up the hatchet.
Certainly not nice, but definitely necessary
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I should imagine Lerner was told that he had to take the costs of making the staff redundant, before the new owner completed the deal to take over the running of the club
Hookeysmith - makes good points above
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-unsung-mother-figure-11422314
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Shame - very nice lady whom the players thought a lot of.
Maybe this beckons a period of buying UK players so the need to integrate is less?
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As discussed elsewhere, would anyone like to copy & paste the story here?
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A lot of these redundancies are down to cost-cutting that was long overdue. For example, Alan Perrins' (who had a mixed reputation by all accounts) job can be merged with that of Lee Preece while I can't see the need for a full-time archivist once what we've got had been catalogued properly. Getting rid of Laura is short-sighted in the extreme, though.
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Strange also with Xia talking of bringing over young Chinese players to learn from us, surely they'd need help whilst over here?
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A lot of these redundancies are down to cost-cutting that was long overdue. For example, Alan Perrins' (who had a mixed reputation by all accounts) job can be merged with that of Lee Preece while I can't see the need for a full-time archivist once what we've got had been catalogued properly. Getting rid of Laura is short-sighted in the extreme, though.
I would have thought Lorna was essential to any recruit's brought in from abroad.Doesnt make any sense whatsoever.
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Sorry, Lorna. Whatever her name it's an odd decision.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-unsung-mother-figure-11422314
Its a credit to the vision of Sir Graham that he thought up the role, and in today's club football more than ever it makes perfect sense. That she lasted so long proves to me that she was doing a good job. Sad to hear this and wish her well.
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Sorry, Lorna. Whatever her name it's an odd decision.
I guess it depends on if they see the 'role' as being something that should be done by most staff. I don't agree but like all support based roles it's difficult to monetise so these sort of jobs are commonly undervalued in a round of redundancies.
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Strange also with Xia talking of bringing over young Chinese players to learn from us, surely they'd need help whilst over here?
Maybe more suitable for someone who speaks Mandarin then?
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The restructuring and redundancies was going to happen even if we would of avoided relegation
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Strange also with Xia talking of bringing over young Chinese players to learn from us, surely they'd need help whilst over here?
Maybe more suitable for someone who speaks Mandarin then?
That's what I thought but surely some cross over time for someone less experienced to learn from someone who's done the job for so long?
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Lorna did a great job at VP and BMH and beyond for the players, their families and well-being.
I honestly don't know how any club can operate without someone carrying out the role that she has done for the last 14 years.
(She and her husband are also old college friends who I have stayed in touch with for over 40 years since we left in 1975 and shared a house with up the road from The Armada, in the shadow of Spaghetti Junction when we first started teaching. Happy days!)
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Strange also with Xia talking of bringing over young Chinese players to learn from us, surely they'd need help whilst over here?
Maybe more suitable for someone who speaks Mandarin then?
That's what I thought but surely some cross over time for someone less experienced to learn from someone who's done the job for so long?
Would make sense. I guess the question is, how many other Championship clubs have a member of staff solely dedicated to helping overseas players settle in. I doubt there are that many.
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Strange also with Xia talking of bringing over young Chinese players to learn from us, surely they'd need help whilst over here?
Maybe more suitable for someone who speaks Mandarin then?
That's what I thought but surely some cross over time for someone less experienced to learn from someone who's done the job for so long?
Would make sense. I guess the question is, how many other Championship clubs have a member of staff solely dedicated to helping overseas players settle in. I doubt there are that many.
How do foreign players who do not speak English settle into everyday life in our leagues without some kind of help then?
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Strange also with Xia talking of bringing over young Chinese players to learn from us, surely they'd need help whilst over here?
Maybe more suitable for someone who speaks Mandarin then?
That's what I thought but surely some cross over time for someone less experienced to learn from someone who's done the job for so long?
Would make sense. I guess the question is, how many other Championship clubs have a member of staff solely dedicated to helping overseas players settle in. I doubt there are that many.
How do foreign players who do not speak English settle into everyday life in our leagues without some kind of help then?
High fives and fist bumps.
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Lorna did more than just help players settle in...she looked out for their general welfare and family issues and lots more too. Finding them homes and teaching them to speak English were her most obvious "duties".
I think Gabby must have wagged the English lessons!
;-)
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Strange also with Xia talking of bringing over young Chinese players to learn from us, surely they'd need help whilst over here?
Maybe more suitable for someone who speaks Mandarin then?
That's what I thought but surely some cross over time for someone less experienced to learn from someone who's done the job for so long?
Would make sense. I guess the question is, how many other Championship clubs have a member of staff solely dedicated to helping overseas players settle in. I doubt there are that many.
Which would give us an advantage over them.
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As discussed elsewhere, would anyone like to copy & paste the story here?
No.
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This is a film of Lorna doing her thing, posted by Matt Lynch on Twitter a few hours earlier than the ME story link. It's probably better! Very interesting, anyway.
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That more than anything hits home just what relegation means, one of my friends was a community youth development coach for the club and he has retired this week probably due to the cuts.
What a personal disaster this is for the staff who loved their jobs and the club !
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As discussed elsewhere, would anyone like to copy & paste the story here?
No.
:-[
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These cuts was going to happen no matter what league we was in
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Strange also with Xia talking of bringing over young Chinese players to learn from us, surely they'd need help whilst over here?
Maybe more suitable for someone who speaks Mandarin then?
That's what I thought but surely some cross over time for someone less experienced to learn from someone who's done the job for so long?
Would make sense. I guess the question is, how many other Championship clubs have a member of staff solely dedicated to helping overseas players settle in. I doubt there are that many.
Which would give us an advantage over them.
I'm sure there are lots of things we could do which would give us an advantage over them but there comes a time when you have to cut your cloth according to the situation you're in.
I don't doubt she did an excellent job but having a dedicated person for that role seems to be the sort of thing I'd expect a top 10 Prem club to do but certainly not a 2nd tier club.
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Strange also with Xia talking of bringing over young Chinese players to learn from us, surely they'd need help whilst over here?
Maybe more suitable for someone who speaks Mandarin then?
That's what I thought but surely some cross over time for someone less experienced to learn from someone who's done the job for so long?
Would make sense. I guess the question is, how many other Championship clubs have a member of staff solely dedicated to helping overseas players settle in. I doubt there are that many.
How do foreign players who do not speak English settle into everyday life in our leagues without some kind of help then?
How many people move countries to find work with little grasp of the culture or language of the country they're moving to? And how many of those get a job where they have a person dedicated to helping them settle in? I'm sure the delicate little multi-millionaire lambs will cope.
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Strange also with Xia talking of bringing over young Chinese players to learn from us, surely they'd need help whilst over here?
Maybe more suitable for someone who speaks Mandarin then?
That's what I thought but surely some cross over time for someone less experienced to learn from someone who's done the job for so long?
Would make sense. I guess the question is, how many other Championship clubs have a member of staff solely dedicated to helping overseas players settle in. I doubt there are that many.
How do foreign players who do not speak English settle into everyday life in our leagues without some kind of help then?
How many people move countries to find work with little grasp of the culture or language of the country they're moving to? And how many of those get a job where they have a person dedicated to helping them settle in? I'm sure the delicate little multi-millionaire lambs will cope.
I would add that, other than the language, what is the difference between a foreign player and a British player. The most important thing in the short term is suitable accommodation. The players live in a bubble in the short term and it is only over the longer term that the more 'social' issues come into play.
I am sure that this job function will be shared with another and not just neglecting the function.
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Prompted by another thread on which the question was raised if the Head of Goalkeeping Recruitment, Tony Coton was being retained, has the Community Coach Simone Farina been relieved of his duties? He has been at Villa a couple of years now I think and was known for whistleblowing a match fixing scandal in Italy.