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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: NiiLamptey on January 24, 2016, 02:20:59 AM
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I apologise if this is considered a duplicate of the relegation thread however a positive post in there will not resonate with people.
At Christmas it was terrible; league position, outlook, style of play, the list goes on... Most notably, everyone accepting relegation and questioning how this team will ever get back to the premier league. This is not about reasons why we are in this position therefore I am not exploring them.
Things are starting to click, we have been on a good run and I believe we are playing good football. (If it was't for our situation, desperately needing points, I personally was happy with the WBA game, my only frustration was the crossing / set piece ability)
The point of this thread: I believe we are down, but I also believe Garde is bringing a philosophy to Villa that is sustainable and exciting to watch (Once we have a goalscorer). it is clear that the board are getting ready for the championship next season just by the lack of signings.
The way we are playing, there is no way we are the worst team in the league & the run we are on has been enjoyable and if we do keep this up it will make relegation bearable.
To summarise, I am happy Garde plans to stick around. I think next year we play nice football, win many games & return to the premier league in style!
I am feeling optimistic; confidence in the team is growing, possession is tidy, mistakes are reducing and supporters are getting behind the team!
UTV
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Good thread. The fans are behind Remi. I feel it in my bones.
We are moving forward.
Remi Garde's Claret and Blue Army!
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Depends.
Will the shenanegans at the Board Level stop.
Will they back the manager to deal with existing and new players. This does mean money in writing off contracts and buying new players.
The only bloke I trust at the club right now is Garde, so unless they back him our demise will continue.
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Yes if we go down, I will be happy to see us winning games again even if it is in a division lower. Hopefully it is only for one season and we can get back to being in the PL again. Too many weekends have been ruined in the past 5 years.
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Garde is the one big positive at present. I hope he sticks around.
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I think if we go down, can keep hold of our better players AND Garde stays we'll come straight back up. We've certainly got the squad to easily come straight back and in some style if I'm honest.
Bring back a feel good factor and a winning mentality that has been sadly missing for far, far too long. Throw some great away days in there and a few Derby wins and it could end up being the best thing that's happened to us. Is that positive enough...
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Agree with all of this, my mom says never wish your life away but I just want to get through to August and let Remi stamp his mark on a transfer window.
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I think if we go down, can keep hold of our better players AND Garde stays we'll come straight back up. We've certainly got the squad to easily come straight back and in some style if I'm honest.
Bring back a feel good factor and a winning mentality that has been sadly missing for far, far too long. Throw some great away days in there and a few Derby wins and it could end up being the best thing that's happened to us. Is that positive enough...
Haha absolutely!
RE players... it really does depend if they buy into Garde's vision and are willing to do 12 months in the championship... Namely; Ayew, Vertout, Okore and Amavi. I don't think there will be anyone else people other PL clubs would be after.
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With Max Lerner on board we can only soar like eagles.
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I'm positive about next season IF everyone stays as I think a team consisting of the following would tear the Championship up :
New keeper
Richards
Okore
New centre half
Amavi
Gana
Veretout
New centre mid big strong bastard
Gill/Grealish/Traore
Ayew
New striker goal hanger type
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I'm positive about next season IF everyone stays as I think a team consisting of the following would tear the Championship up :
New keeper
Richards
Okore
New centre half
Amavi
Gana
Veretout
New centre mid big strong bastard
Gill/Grealish/Traore
Ayew
New striker goal hanger type
Im not sure the likes of Richards or Okore would stay but I've no doubt that team along with the likes of Gardner, Baker, Clark and Bennett in the squad should win promotion without any question. infact if that team stayed together with Garde I reckon they'd do it in style.
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If the board back the manager then I am optimistic. However I can see all of our 'better' players leaving rather than taking a pay cut, so we will have 5-6 different players in the team.
If we go down thinking we are better than the teams down there we are going to get found out by the more physical counter attacking teams. The novelty factor will interest me, but only if it's temporary.
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I have faith in Garde but so much depends on the comings and goings close season. We can see that some of this season's signings are developing nicely, should we lose the majority who knows how we will fare? Hopefully improved form will last until May and convince some to stick around.
I do recall being optimistic in June last year though and look how it's turned out.
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My wider family of Villa faithful are all of one mind about relegation. Namely that it is no more humiliating than half a decade of flopping over the line to Premiership safety by a point or two or by goal difference. I cannot be more ashamed at what we have become than I was at Christmas of this year. This has been coming for five years and we have sleep walked into it.
The ownership of the club by Randy Lerner is a fact we have to live with, like we have to live with his right to do whatever he pleases with the club whether we like it or not. The choice whether we carry on supporting the club or walk away is down to us.
If we had been a mid table club until this season and the trap door had opened under our feet, it would require a different rationale but it has been staring us in the face ever since Martin O'Neill opened the seacocks on his way out. Lerner, Krulak, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, Karsa, Culverhouse, Faulkner, Keane, KMac, a whole ship of blundering incompetence.
I am entirely positive about the future because all that incompetence will be proven beyond doubt by relegation. Like a fox has to submerge himself to the point of drowning to rid himself of fleas, the Championship and Remi Garde offers us the chance of a new start.
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We'll cut to the bone, then into the marrow, we won't budget to come back up. I'm not positive at all, the board and owner are useless they'd see us as being completely self sustaining in league one as success, this is the prevailing mentality at the club, until the bungling billionaire buggers off we're screwed, he sets the tone after all...
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Never underestimate the capacity of Fox, Riley, Almstadt and probably Hollis to do the wrong thing.
Other than that I think Garde is definitely beginning to have an affect. The work rate of the entire team yesterday was impressive.
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My wider family of Villa faithful are all of one mind about relegation. Namely that it is no more humiliating than half a decade of flopping over the line to Premiership safety by a point or two or by goal difference. I cannot be more ashamed at what we have become than I was at Christmas of this year. This has been coming for five years and we have sleep walked into it.
The ownership of the club by Randy Lerner is a fact we have to live with, like we have to live with his right to do whatever he pleases with the club whether we like it or not. The choice whether we carry on supporting the club or walk away is down to us.
If we had been a mid table club until this season and the trap door had opened under our feet, it would require a different rationale but it has been staring us in the face ever since Martin O'Neill opened the seacocks on his way out. Lerner, Krulak, O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, Karsa, Culverhouse, Faulkner, Keane, KMac, a whole ship of blundering incompetence.
I am entirely positive about the future because all that incompetence will be proven beyond doubt by relegation. Like a fox has to submerge himself to the point of drowning to rid himself of fleas, the Championship and Remi Garde offers us the chance of a new start.
Well said, Brian.
Aston Villa is not a brand, it is an institution forged by the life force of its fans.
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team confidence is growing , our unbeaten run is growing and were going to stay up with a half decent striker on loan
"living the dream"
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I'm not saying we're going to stay up, but I can see us eroding that points deficit a little more over the coming weeks.
Anyone else think the players are starting to look fitter?
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I'm not saying we're going to stay up, but I can see us eroding that points deficit a little more over the coming weeks.
Anyone else think the players are starting to look fitter?
definitely look fitter but also happier too , confidence is an amazing attribute
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Impossible to know until we see what sort of first 11/squad we've got to play with.
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Like most football fans I'm always positive about next season – it's the current season that depresses us all.
Okore will be gone in the summer though, he's far too good for the Championship and there'll be plenty after him.
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Nervous. Lerner "distances himself" from the club by putting his son on the Board and letting his mother control our spending. Nothing tells me anything will change with these lunatics at the helm.
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Nervous. Lerner "distances himself" from the club by putting his son on the Board and letting his mother control our spending. Nothing tells me anything will change with these lunatics at the helm.
This. The bungler in chief remains. His bipolar approach, ridiculous largess to total parsimony is damaging. The invisible man now intends to become even more aloof, hiding behind the ramshackle structure he's cobbled in place, at board level. If it goes wrong as it invariably will,I can't see a way back. The mans judgement is suspect at best, he's so inept I'd not be surprised if he gets lost in his own mansion the best we can hope for under Bungle's ownership is to tread water in whatever division we're in... Five years of watching the same mistakes being repeated is no cause for optimism.
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Looking at the arithmetic. 5 points from our last 3 games.
Keep up that rate for the rest of the season we take 25 points from the remaining 15 and finish on 38 points. That could just be enough to stay up. Unlikely I know but it's the best I can come up with.
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As long as we keep Remi on side and liststen to his needs and he gets good men alongside him. With a steady boardroom which hopefully now we have a chairman alongside Fox I can see us coming straight back up.
The steps we have made he last week or so are little but it's progressive and I really believe we have turned a corner for the first time in years.
It's a bit late and it should not have happened, it's been one mighty cock up after another. Here's to the future, how bright? Anyone's guess but I'm feeling more confident than I have for a long time.
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If we can keep the team below and fill in the gaps with decent players, think we'll be fine whichever league we find ourselves in.
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Richards Okore Lescott Amavi
Gana
Veretout ?
Gil
Ayew ?
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If Garde remains in charge then I have a good feeling for next season. He comes across as a man who knows what he wants and appears to have exerted his authority over the mess he inherited. Of course you have to take into account our knack for screwing things up, which is why I say 'if Garde stays" as he doesn't strike me as a man who will hang around if he is undermined from above by a failure to fulfill their side of the bargain. Therefore, if he is here it will mean the club is finally getting it right.
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I'm fairly positive that if we add in some more footballing knowledge at boardroom level and also give Remi the freedom to mould himself a squad this summer, that we'll have the quality to come back up and in the process build a cohesive unit with a winning mentality that may keep us up the following year and potentially build something. Garde does seem like a long term option in a way that McLeish obviously wasn't and Sherwood definitely wasn't. Lambert seemed to be a decent long term option but was proven to be out of his depth sadly.
We're undoubtedly going to lose a lot of players. I think Ayew is too good to stay. Veretout will probably go. Gana perhaps. Westwood is limited but he's upped his game in recent weeks and would at least stand out at Championship level. Amavi will have little choice to stay and rebuild his fitness here, but if he starts the next season well we may struggle to keep hold in Jan.
Grealish needs to really respond in the right manner and work hard. A bit of humility and a year in the Champ could make him a better player and allow him to finally fulfil his role of being a key player for us.
Richards will probably go. I don't envision him having much loyalty nor wanting to drop down but will we miss him? Not really.
Lescott and Okore will be rock solid in the Champ.
If Traore doesn't have ideas above his station and stops getting injured, he'll tear that league apart and also provide ammo for Rudy.
I hope Gil will stay.
Sanchez might be useful at that level and then we can sell him the following summer.
I'd keep Hutton around for the champ. Keep Cissokho too.
Rico, Sinclair, Zog, Gabby, Senderos, Guzan, and Bacuna can all go.
I can see 10 players leaving. Then we need to bring in 6-7 who can perform in the Championship. We need to strengthen our spine. First things first will be the attitude and workrate of the player and then the quality. Gestede will score at Championship level, provided we get a reasonable winger in and play to his strengths. We need to buy another striker to either play up top with Gestede or rotate with.
We have to hope that the club are finally learning from their failures and will get it right.
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If the press and other people in the business believe all the bull shit that our French summer imports were the reason we have been useless then we may see Ayew and Veretout back next season.
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I think Veretout will stay unless there is a big offer. I expect we will see Okore, Ayew, Cissokho, Sanchez Nzogbia, Gabby, Richards and Guzan go.
Then build the side around what is left. Veretout, Gueye and Amavi I would be convincing now to stay were I Garde.
If we did keep them I would be very optimistic about next season. Newcastle kept their squad together when they dropped. We need to do likewise.
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If we can keep the team below and fill in the gaps with decent players, think we'll be fine whichever league we find ourselves in.
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Richards Okore Lescott Amavi
Gana
Veretout ?
Gil
Ayew ?
will be surprised if half of that are still here. Not sure I want richards here either
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Richards should be let go if anyone wants him, like you myf, i'd be surprised if Veretout, Gana and Ayew are playing next season, don't expect them to be wanting to hang around in the Championship.
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why would we sell half the team? I really don't get this argument of a mass exodus. Grade has got the current group playing well together. A good striker and we are 4-5 points better off for sure. I'm sure we will lose one or two players, but I just don't buy into this last one to leave Villa Park turn off the lights attitude. Newcastle, Hull, Burnley have all gone down in recent years and none of them had players leaving in huge numbers. We will keep the majority of this squad. Or least the majority of the players the manager wants to keep. We will promote some kids from the academy like Hepburn-Murphy, Kinsella, Donacien etc to see more playing time, and will likely bring in a few players of Garde's choosing.
If the principles the manager is installing are followed, the players/distractions like N'Zogbia/Gabby/Richardson sold or leave through their contract expiring, we will be in decent shape for an immediate promotion push. I truly believe that Garde is the man for the job and he will get the appropriate backing from the club to do what he needs to do to bring us back up.
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why would we sell half the team? I really don't get this argument of a mass exodus. Grade has got the current group playing well together. A good striker and we are 4-5 points better off for sure. I'm sure we will lose one or two players, but I just don't buy into this last one to leave Villa Park turn off the lights attitude. Newcastle, Hull, Burnley have all gone down in recent years and none of them had players leaving in huge numbers. We will keep the majority of this squad. Or least the majority of the players the manager wants to keep. We will promote some kids from the academy like Hepburn-Murphy, Kinsella, Donacien etc to see more playing time, and will likely bring in a few players of Garde's choosing.
If the principles the manager is installing are followed, the players/distractions like N'Zogbia/Gabby/Richardson sold or leave through their contract expiring, we will be in decent shape for an immediate promotion push. I truly believe that Garde is the man for the job and he will get the appropriate backing from the club to do what he needs to do to bring us back up.
can we not at least have a little go at staying up though
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I'm positive as long as Garde remains in charge and we don't get some Championship clogger.
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why would we sell half the team? I really don't get this argument of a mass exodus. Grade has got the current group playing well together. A good striker and we are 4-5 points better off for sure. I'm sure we will lose one or two players, but I just don't buy into this last one to leave Villa Park turn off the lights attitude. Newcastle, Hull, Burnley have all gone down in recent years and none of them had players leaving in huge numbers. We will keep the majority of this squad. Or least the majority of the players the manager wants to keep. We will promote some kids from the academy like Hepburn-Murphy, Kinsella, Donacien etc to see more playing time, and will likely bring in a few players of Garde's choosing.
If the principles the manager is installing are followed, the players/distractions like N'Zogbia/Gabby/Richardson sold or leave through their contract expiring, we will be in decent shape for an immediate promotion push. I truly believe that Garde is the man for the job and he will get the appropriate backing from the club to do what he needs to do to bring us back up.
I agree with you TV, I don't think we should sell any, but with modern footballers being the what they are i'd be very surprised if the 3 I mentioned stayed, no doubt we will receive some bids for them and unfortunately teams like Leicester, Palace, Stoke, Everton will be all sniffing around us and even grimmer than that is that they are far more attractive clubs than us at the present.
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why would we sell half the team? I really don't get this argument of a mass exodus. Grade has got the current group playing well together. A good striker and we are 4-5 points better off for sure. I'm sure we will lose one or two players, but I just don't buy into this last one to leave Villa Park turn off the lights attitude. Newcastle, Hull, Burnley have all gone down in recent years and none of them had players leaving in huge numbers. We will keep the majority of this squad. Or least the majority of the players the manager wants to keep. We will promote some kids from the academy like Hepburn-Murphy, Kinsella, Donacien etc to see more playing time, and will likely bring in a few players of Garde's choosing.
If the principles the manager is installing are followed, the players/distractions like N'Zogbia/Gabby/Richardson sold or leave through their contract expiring, we will be in decent shape for an immediate promotion push. I truly believe that Garde is the man for the job and he will get the appropriate backing from the club to do what he needs to do to bring us back up.
I agree with you TV, I don't think we should sell any, but with modern footballers being the what they are i'd be very surprised if the 3 I mentioned stayed, no doubt we will receive some bids for them and unfortunately teams like Leicester, Palace, Stoke, Everton will be all sniffing around us and even grimmer than that is that they are far more attractive clubs than us at the present.
The problem is too, if they kick up a stink they're likely to go. They'll probably push for moves.
The other thing to remember about Newcastle is that they were probably paying more for their players than they'd have been offered elsewhere, even if they wanted to move back up to the Premiership.
They're not exactly catching headlines but I'd be very surprised if Gana, Veretout and Ayew weren't catching the eye of predatory managers who'd fancy they could get a good deal in the summer. Leicester may fancy coming back for Veretout for one thing.
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Not especially.
Manger wise, yes. Those who purportedly run the club, no.
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If we keep our main players, which will be a struggle then we can only get better.
Guzan, Bacuna, Westwood, Gestede. All of those will be very easy to replace, my heart tells me that we will have a better team next season and come bouncing back. My head tells me it won't be so easy as at Villa anything can happen.
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Not especially.
Manger wise, yes. Those who purportedly run the club, no.
I think the manager might be ok but am dubious about him in the Championship.
I am not convinced many of the squad will be much use next season either. It's one thing to go down narrowly, but unless we improve radically the players will be so used to losing that it's a hard habit to break.
I guess the ex Ligue 1 contingent could all be off, leaving a big rebuilding job.
However, I am yet to be convinced by Veretout but I really want to be. I think his fitness, work rate and passing would need to improve if another club were to see him as a big asset in the Premier League.
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Just had a thought. In the cup games where we don't expect much of a crowd they don't open the Upper Trinity...presuming the same applies in the Championship?
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why would we sell half the team? I really don't get this argument of a mass exodus. Grade has got the current group playing well together. A good striker and we are 4-5 points better off for sure. I'm sure we will lose one or two players, but I just don't buy into this last one to leave Villa Park turn off the lights attitude. Newcastle, Hull, Burnley have all gone down in recent years and none of them had players leaving in huge numbers. We will keep the majority of this squad. Or least the majority of the players the manager wants to keep. We will promote some kids from the academy like Hepburn-Murphy, Kinsella, Donacien etc to see more playing time, and will likely bring in a few players of Garde's choosing.
If the principles the manager is installing are followed, the players/distractions like N'Zogbia/Gabby/Richardson sold or leave through their contract expiring, we will be in decent shape for an immediate promotion push. I truly believe that Garde is the man for the job and he will get the appropriate backing from the club to do what he needs to do to bring us back up.
can we not at least have a little go at staying up though
I'm with four
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But I get what you're saying, Toronto, just still hoping like all of us that it doesn't come to that.
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Why do we believe we will be able to sign better players than these as a Championship club if we (apparently) cant sign any better this January as a Premier League club?
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why would we sell half the team? I really don't get this argument of a mass exodus. Grade has got the current group playing well together. A good striker and we are 4-5 points better off for sure. I'm sure we will lose one or two players, but I just don't buy into this last one to leave Villa Park turn off the lights attitude. Newcastle, Hull, Burnley have all gone down in recent years and none of them had players leaving in huge numbers. We will keep the majority of this squad. Or least the majority of the players the manager wants to keep. We will promote some kids from the academy like Hepburn-Murphy, Kinsella, Donacien etc to see more playing time, and will likely bring in a few players of Garde's choosing.
If the principles the manager is installing are followed, the players/distractions like N'Zogbia/Gabby/Richardson sold or leave through their contract expiring, we will be in decent shape for an immediate promotion push. I truly believe that Garde is the man for the job and he will get the appropriate backing from the club to do what he needs to do to bring us back up.
can we not at least have a little go at staying up though
I'm with four
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But I get what you're saying, Toronto, just still hoping like all of us that it doesn't come to that.
We've bought in the square root of FA though. Unless the clueless board think we can stay up with the likes of Kozak as our hit man and Westwood our midfield dynamo then we are buggered.
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Why do we believe we will be able to sign better players than these as a Championship club if we (apparently) cant sign any better this January as a Premier League club?
I think it's more than the better Championship players, who may be fighting for promotion now are more likely to stick where they are with the hope of making promotion then join us with almost certain relegation. Summer we will be on an even footing with them and can offer more wages and a more attractive proposition, you'd hope.
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I know, aj2k77, I'm hanging on for something this week.
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I hope so as well.
My hope is that we do indeed spend big this window and Garde gets something to work with. My fear is obviously that Garde is not backed and will walk before season end.
We have a week to find out I guess.
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Well, this is the positive thread, Ciggies!
Everything crossed.
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Alright let me get my positives on :) We are gonna make a signing or two and they will be the missing pieces Garde needs to keep us up or lay the foundations for a team that can come right back up :)
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Why do we believe we will be able to sign better players than these as a Championship club if we (apparently) cant sign any better this January as a Premier League club?
I'm hoping that the sort of players we need are in demand at their clubs so are not available in a january window, whereas in the summer clubs are more accepting of the changes - Players on the up in other words. The alternative are established players at big clubs and they probably don't want to leave or will only leave at the end of the window when they know there are no better offers.
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Alright let me get my positives on :) We are gonna make a signing or two and they will be the missing pieces Garde needs to keep us up or lay the foundations for a team that can come right back up :)
God I hope you're right!
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Just had a thought. In the cup games where we don't expect much of a crowd they don't open the Upper Trinity...presuming the same applies in the Championship?
It's the most expensive seats, they'll open it. It's not like we'll be getting 20k every week, our average will be around 30K. And a fair bit higher if we're flying at/near the top.
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If everything goes as hoped Villa Park will see good crowds and the odd sell out. When you consider how starved of success we have been overall of late and especially at home, I think once we get going fans will be happy to see a successful Villa team. Agree with PWS that we will average in the 30k range, around 32k my guess.
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It'd be pretty embarrassing if they don't have the whole ground open. I've always thought we have a pretty loyal support and wouldn't desert in droves if we went down. Would be disappointing if the club assumed we were going to be unable to get close to filling the ground on a regular basis.
If they really do think we'll struggle to sell out then it might be a good time to increase number of tickets given over to local schools and plan for the future.
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Not worried about loosing players if relegated as most of our squad is Championship standard. Most of the pros who comment on us say they are not good enough.
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Don't want to state the obvious but we're either going to smash it or struggle. We're not very physical and that league is. It depends who stays and who comes in
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Don't want to state the obvious but we're either going to smash it or struggle. We're not very physical and that league is. It depends who stays and who comes in
agree with that
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It'd be pretty embarrassing if they don't have the whole ground open. I've always thought we have a pretty loyal support and wouldn't desert in droves if we went down. Would be disappointing if the club assumed we were going to be unable to get close to filling the ground on a regular basis.
If they really do think we'll struggle to sell out then it might be a good time to increase number of tickets given over to local schools and plan for the future.
To be fair, we're not even close to regularly filling the ground as it is, and we haven't for a good number of years, so I'm not sure it'd be that wild an assumption for the club to make.
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I think in the interests of atmosphere and having the other stands more packed out, they should close the Upper Trinity next season (if we don't pull off the miracle). That will reduce the capacity to around 37k I believe, and I'd be amazed if we got close to that for any games (with the possible exception of Small Heath). The Upper Trinity is hardly visible on TV anyway, so it will look better having the Trinity Middle etc more full, and is pointless having stewards/catering staff up there for the sake of a few hundred fans which it would be for some games.
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It'd be pretty embarrassing if they don't have the whole ground open. I've always thought we have a pretty loyal support and wouldn't desert in droves if we went down. Would be disappointing if the club assumed we were going to be unable to get close to filling the ground on a regular basis.
If they really do think we'll struggle to sell out then it might be a good time to increase number of tickets given over to local schools and plan for the future.
I think people will be happy to see us win a few games for once at home. I wouldn't understand if the crowds dropped too much, I've never been to see the opposition I couldn'tgive two shits how good their players are or what football they play, I've always been to watch the Villa. So with a lot more victories and the team bouncing back I see no reason why the attendances should drop below 30k, unless there is a price rise.
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I reckon we'll lose up to 10,000 off our average gates next season. We're sure to be the most played team on TV, that will have a big impact, meaning games switched all over the place. Depends what Lerner wants to charge for the tickets, I suppose.
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Call it ridiculous logic but I think attendances may actually improve next season. Think about it, we would be the biggest scalp and its one of the best grounds for away fans transport wise so wouldnt see too much changing there. From a home point of view, I dont think we get too many day trippers, most fans are quite commited. From a personal point of view, I will often forego the match and the £30 odd ticket as ive had the stuffing knocked out of me over the last 5 years. Instead ill go down my local and watch it on dodgy tv with my mates. If we were winning more games than not, were scoring goals again and there wasnt the option to stream the match I would be attending more than I currently am
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I see the logic in that.
Attendances may be down a bit for the first month or so, but if we start winning matches and get going the fans will go more often than not. I like to go to VP and see us win. 9 times out of 10 I couldn't give a monkeys who it's against.
Plus my little boy will be 4 so hope to take him to his first match, one we have a chance of winning!
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I also think attendences will pick up if we are doing ok and wining games, there will be a few derbies as well which always helps
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Yes and no.
I still think we might stay up, and if we do I think we do better next season when Remi gets some of his own players in and we start to loose some dross.
If we go down and do not go on a crazy austerity drive, then I think this squad will go straight back up.
If however we start cutting down to Championship budgets and getting rid of players left right and centre then I would be extremely negative about our prospects.
Sadly it is the latter scenario that feels more likely given the noises coming from Randy and his stooges.
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It'd be pretty embarrassing if they don't have the whole ground open. I've always thought we have a pretty loyal support and wouldn't desert in droves if we went down. Would be disappointing if the club assumed we were going to be unable to get close to filling the ground on a regular basis.
If they really do think we'll struggle to sell out then it might be a good time to increase number of tickets given over to local schools and plan for the future.
To be fair, we're not even close to regularly filling the ground as it is, and we haven't for a good number of years, so I'm not sure it'd be that wild an assumption for the club to make.
We still have enough tickets sold to justify the opening of all the stands. We'd be bound to get at least two or three sell-outs even if we do badly, anyway.
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I'm confident we'll bounce straight back up. Always remember Graham Taylor saying if you can arrest the decline at a club like Villa you come back far quicker than the smaller teams. I think we are starting to see some recovery with the manager now albeit too late to save us but if we can grab the 2016 equivalent of Warren Aspinall or David Platt in the Summer we'll be fine.
Plenty of old school away days and derbies I'm quite looking forward to it. I just hope Walsall or Coventry can grab second in League 1 - otherwise can you imagine how many we'll get for Gillingham at home?
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I think you'll see bigger swings with the crowds. Some low 20s, but then games against the Noses and the Wolves in the low 40s/high 30s. Plus when we're on course for the title and people are seeing us play good football and win games, then why would you stay away?
You've suffered enough garbage over the past five years, you might as well fill your boots even if its in the 2nd Division.
Away games will be better; bigger allocations and the opposition fans, in the main, being there because its Villa in town, rather than drawing their curtains as they do now, would be nice.
Some decent followings to be had at Preston [never been there], Wednesday, Fulham, Blackburn, Wigan or Coventry if they come up, Forrest etc.
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I think you'll see bigger swings with the crowds. Some low 20s, but then games against the Noses and the Wolves in the low 40s/high 30s. Plus when we're on course for the title and people are seeing us play good football and win games, then why would you stay away?
You've suffered enough garbage over the past five years, you might as well fill your boots even if its in the 2nd Division.
Away games will be better; bigger allocations and the opposition fans, in the main, being there because its Villa in town, rather than drawing their curtains as they do now, would be nice.
Some decent followings to be had at Preston [never been there], Wednesday, Fulham, Blackburn, Wigan or Coventry if they come up, Forrest etc.
The away games do sound great but bearing in mind we would be on the tellybox a lot, there won't be a lot of Saturday games.
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I reckon we'll lose up to 10,000 off our average gates next season. We're sure to be the most played team on TV, that will have a big impact, meaning games switched all over the place. Depends what Lerner wants to charge for the tickets, I suppose.
Sorry, but why would a true Villa fan stop going just because we're in a different division?
Anyone whose put up with the home performances we've had to suffer for the last five years or so and is still going won't be put off by mere relegation. With a few exceptions I'd expect the number of away fans at Villa Park to be pretty much the same as we see now too, it'll be the must-go-to away trip for a lot fans in that division.
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I reckon we'll lose up to 10,000 off our average gates next season. We're sure to be the most played team on TV, that will have a big impact, meaning games switched all over the place. Depends what Lerner wants to charge for the tickets, I suppose.
Sorry, but why would a true Villa fan stop going just because we're in a different division?
Anyone whose put up with the home performances we've had to suffer for the last five years or so and is still going won't be put off by mere relegation. With a few exceptions I'd expect the number of away fans at Villa Park to be pretty much the same as we see now too, it'll be the must-go-to away trip for a lot fans in that division.
The 10,000 we'll lose will be the local gloryhunters, the big game part-timers, the Premier League tourists and day trippers.
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I think you'll see bigger swings with the crowds. Some low 20s, but then games against the Noses and the Wolves in the low 40s/high 30s. Plus when we're on course for the title and people are seeing us play good football and win games, then why would you stay away?
You've suffered enough garbage over the past five years, you might as well fill your boots even if its in the 2nd Division.
Away games will be better; bigger allocations and the opposition fans, in the main, being there because its Villa in town, rather than drawing their curtains as they do now, would be nice.
Some decent followings to be had at Preston [never been there], Wednesday, Fulham, Blackburn, Wigan or Coventry if they come up, Forrest etc.
The away games do sound great but bearing in mind we would be on the tellybox a lot, there won't be a lot of Saturday games.
We'd share the load between Sunderland, Leeds and maybe Newcastle for that early Saturday kick off. Sky Sports 1 seems to be the LUFC TV channel every other Saturday morning.
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I reckon we'll lose up to 10,000 off our average gates next season. We're sure to be the most played team on TV, that will have a big impact, meaning games switched all over the place. Depends what Lerner wants to charge for the tickets, I suppose.
Sorry, but why would a true Villa fan stop going just because we're in a different division?
Anyone whose put up with the home performances we've had to suffer for the last five years or so and is still going won't be put off by mere relegation. With a few exceptions I'd expect the number of away fans at Villa Park to be pretty much the same as we see now too, it'll be the must-go-to away trip for a lot fans in that division.
We'll find out soon enough. I'm standing by my prediction though
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I think the current squad with one or two editions and with some of the crap cut out (alright maybe a fair bit of the crap cut out) and the right attitude should be in a strong position to come back up. Problem is we have no idea what the squad will look like next season, and on the basis of this season their performance levels need to step big time.
As long as we're planning for the Championship now, and can hold on to the likes of Gerstade, Sinclair, Gil, and bring in some second tier experience then I think we can bource straight back. But I wouldn't like to put my view out there right now. We need to have a strong finish to this season first and try and take that into the Championship.
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I reckon we'll lose up to 10,000 off our average gates next season. We're sure to be the most played team on TV, that will have a big impact, meaning games switched all over the place. Depends what Lerner wants to charge for the tickets, I suppose.
Sorry, but why would a true Villa fan stop going just because we're in a different division?
Anyone whose put up with the home performances we've had to suffer for the last five years or so and is still going won't be put off by mere relegation. With a few exceptions I'd expect the number of away fans at Villa Park to be pretty much the same as we see now too, it'll be the must-go-to away trip for a lot fans in that division.
We'll find out soon enough. I'm standing by my prediction though
I think you'll be pretty much spot on.
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Well he will be right as our average will almost certainly drop, nowhere near 10K though. Using such a wide margin guarantees he's right. I could say they'll drop by up to 30K and say I was right even if it's only 500 lower.
Does anyone really think our average attendance will be around 23K next season?
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I reckon we'll lose up to 10,000 off our average gates next season. We're sure to be the most played team on TV, that will have a big impact, meaning games switched all over the place. Depends what Lerner wants to charge for the tickets, I suppose.
Sorry, but why would a true Villa fan stop going just because we're in a different division?
Anyone whose put up with the home performances we've had to suffer for the last five years or so and is still going won't be put off by mere relegation. With a few exceptions I'd expect the number of away fans at Villa Park to be pretty much the same as we see now too, it'll be the must-go-to away trip for a lot fans in that division.
i sit in the lower north and it is 50/50 by me as to who is renewing, some of this is due to midweek fixtures and work.
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If our home form changed to an expected win every time and I can't remember when that last was, then I would expect attendances to start increasing along with the anticipation of seeing a 3 pointer each home game.
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No chance of an average of 23,000 next season. That would be terrible. It's just me but a couple of us are considering getting season tickets next year for the first time in donkeys years depending on the money.
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A good start to the season would, not could, generate a wave of optimism and the obvious rise in attendances. People soon forget what league they're in when they're winning more often than not. The club need to do all they can if this happens to promote and spin the life out if it to create a real sense of intent.
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No chance of an average of 23,000 next season. That would be terrible. It's just me but a couple of us are considering getting season tickets next year for the first time in donkeys years depending on the money.
I remember a couple of others said similar on here before.
So clearly Fox will see people coming back to the fold and buying season tickets, assume that relegation was the cause and encourage another relegation in order to persuade even more to come back.
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We will get crowds of 23000, but they will be no more the norm than the 40000 who'll watch us brass up Small Heath.
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I'd like to see more of this next season.
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We will be Champion's with 10 games to go. It will be payback for this season as we will be relegated with 10 to go.
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fast forward to valentines day?
looking forward to the 5th round, back to back league wins, and another win today and were potentially 2 points from safety.
do you want to bet against us !!!!
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How great would it be to storm the league...winning 3 , 4 nil being the norm. Outselling away games ala Wigan 2 years ago. Home games where we take the away allocation coukdnt be soldFuck the fuckers.....finish this season playing positive keep the talent we have and be resurgent in our return to former glories. It's Monday night and I'm not drinking....just dreaming...
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How great would it be to storm the league...winning 3 , 4 nil being the norm. Outselling away games ala Wigan 2 years ago. Home games where we take the away allocation coukdnt be soldFuck the fuckers.....finish this season playing positive keep the talent we have and be resurgent in our return to former glories. It's Monday night and I'm not drinking....just dreaming...
That Wigan clip on youtube is great - as long as the fans behave - I think it would be great if we had a season in the 2nd tier and collectively got our mojo back, thats the club, the players and the fans. Have some fun.
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I love that inthe midst of this season of utter crap people are so confident about the glorys that await us next season. I can't help thinking of Del Boy in his sink estate flat in Peckham promising Rodney "This time next year Rodders we will be millionaires ".
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If you are without hope, then you have nothing.
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It would be nice to just enjoy football again. Financially we're pretty secure. There's no reason we'd implode like Leeds or Portsmouth. We haven't been as daft as they were when they went down. Some players will want to leave but we won't have to have firesale and we'll be able to purchase a few solid players to hopefully give us a backbone. If we win games with some regularity it's going to put a smile back on our miserable mugs.
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We're not down yet.
We could have Big Ben!
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Very positive. Once you accept that we are down (have been for a while now) the mind starts to let go of all the disappointment and frustration, and see that it might be a blessing in disguise.
Temporary pain, let's take our medicine, stick with Remi, and the prognosis is bright.
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Remi has a week+ of the transfer window and I am not going to entertain the idea of Championship football before it is certain and I'm not persuaded that it is. Necessarily.
So, bollocks to that.
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Well he will be right as our average will almost certainly drop, nowhere near 10K though. Using such a wide margin guarantees he's right. I could say they'll drop by up to 30K and say I was right even if it's only 500 lower.
Does anyone really think our average attendance will be around 23K next season?
I think it will be around 25-28k, so a drop of 7-10k from where we are now.
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I may be wrong but I don't think it'll drop too much, I reckon we'll sell a similar number of season tickets.
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My dad (one of those blokes who used to go and see whoever was at home that week, be they Villa or inbred, although at some point he was infected with an unfortunate attraction towards the darkness of the Heathen Alliance) is gutted for the region because "once the Villa go down the mutation of the West Midlands into a footballing backwater will be complete".
I hope he is wrong and expect to see good crowds down the match, home and away as we power back into the Premier League, showing the Rags, West Brazil and the Dingles that form is temporary and class is permanent.
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I have been a season ticket holder for the best part of 40 years but I wont be getting one next year only for the reason that there will be too many midweek games that I don't think I will be able to motivate myself to make the effort for
will still be attending all weekend games but pick and choose midweek
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Just heard Nigel Kennedy on t'wireless ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06ycr4s ) from 24.20 he does a mini 'Mastermind' on AV. He's of the opinion that the Championship will make us more buyable and 'save us from this American mediocrity'. He sounds as though he might be willing to be part of a buy-out option, if others matched his input.
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Just heard Nigel Kennedy on t'wireless ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06ycr4s ) from 24.20 he does a mini 'Mastermind' on AV. He's of the opinion that the Championship will make us more buyable and 'save us from this American mediocrity'. He sounds as though he might be willing to be part of a buy-out option, if others matched his input.
And where is he going to get that sort of money from? He's a great bloke but he can be naive at times.
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Has anybody pointed out that we'll start the season top of the league rather than second?
That's got to be a sign of some sort.
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Not if AFC Bournemouth come down with us.
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Has anybody pointed out that we'll start the season top of the league rather than second?
That's got to be a sign of some sort.
My nephew will love that. Before the start of the season he always says ye we are second...followed by why are Arsenal always first! He 8 or 9 I think by the way.
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Not if AFC Bournemouth come down with us.
Or the barcodes. Sunderland and Norwich we can put up with but I reckon the barcodes might provide stiffer competition if we both go down.
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Not if AFC Bournemouth come down with us.
*shrugs*
Every table at the start of this season was concentrating on the B rather than the A.
Bet you it will be the same next season.
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Call it ridiculous logic but I think attendances may actually improve next season. Think about it, we would be the biggest scalp and its one of the best grounds for away fans transport wise so wouldnt see too much changing there. From a home point of view, I dont think we get too many day trippers, most fans are quite commited. From a personal point of view, I will often forego the match and the £30 odd ticket as ive had the stuffing knocked out of me over the last 5 years. Instead ill go down my local and watch it on dodgy tv with my mates. If we were winning more games than not, were scoring goals again and there wasnt the option to stream the match I would be attending more than I currently am
Certainly if we play a lot of the midland teams on a Saturday at 3pm (obviously likes of SHA and Wolves will be those kick offs if not earlier) we'll get 35k crowds no problem.
Trouble is there's a lot of midweek games down there and they're obviously not as attractive as weekend games. You see that in the premier league, even when we were doing well and near the top in the MON years I'd imagine our lowest home attendances of the season were the midweek games.
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If I were the club i'd freeze ST prices next year despite the extra home games. And i'd reduce the single match price as well. Do everything possible to get VP as full as possible next season to help drive us straight back up.
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Not if AFC Bournemouth come down with us.
*shrugs*
Every table at the start of this season was concentrating on the B rather than the A.
Bet you it will be the same next season.
I was sad enough to check. We were above Bournemouth in the league but, bizarrely, Wimbledon were placed top of League Two even though "AFC" comes after "Accrington" alphabetically.
The FA consider us to come after Bournemouth as we've been ball number three in the FA Cup Third Round draw since they've been entering at that stage.
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Not if AFC Bournemouth come down with us.
*shrugs*
Every table at the start of this season was concentrating on the B rather than the A.
Bet you it will be the same next season.
I was sad enough to check. We were above Bournemouth in the league but, bizarrely, Wimbledon were placed top of League Two even though "AFC" comes after "Accrington" alphabetically.
Yup, I both being mentioned in the summer, might even have been your good self who did so.
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Almost word-for-word!
The stupid BBC can't make their mind up. They have Bournemouth listed third in the Premier League despite the fact that AFC Bournemouth are ahead of Arsenal and ourselves alphabetically (or between us if you choose to list them as "Association Football Club Bournemouth").
However, they have Wimbledon listed top of League Two despite the fact that AFC Wimbledon comes after Accrington Stanley.
I'm happy to allow Bournemouth to be above us for now, so long as we're above them after the first game. I can't see how they wouldn't consider that perfectly fair.
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Not if AFC Bournemouth come down with us.
They don't count. All "AFC" prefixes shouldn't count.
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In fact any club with an AFC or FC prefix should be immediately banned from football until they ruddy well stop it.
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In fact any club with an AFC or FC prefix should be immediately banned from football until they ruddy well stop it.
And Manchester prefixes. They should be banned too.
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If I were the club i'd freeze ST prices next year despite the extra home games. And i'd reduce the single match price as well. Do everything possible to get VP as full as possible next season to help drive us straight back up.
I think the way relegated clubs increase ST prices on the basis of more games is pretty outrageous.
Yes, there are more games. Against the likes of Small Fucking Heath, Rotherham and MK Shitting Dons.
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If I were the club i'd freeze ST prices next year despite the extra home games. And i'd reduce the single match price as well. Do everything possible to get VP as full as possible next season to help drive us straight back up.
A freeze would be a good gesture.
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It's just another form of taking the piss, something clubs have been doing for years, which has led to £60 tickets. Unfortunately people still pay the money, so I don't blame them. Supply and demand and all that.
A stand should've been made in the form of boycotts years ago.
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Bored on a course earlier I came up with a list of what I would do in the summer to the playing staff no matter what league we are in. Came up with:
Guzan - lost all confidence in him - sell and replace
Bunn - fine as a number 2
Steer - might be worth selling if offer comes in and promote a younger keeper to no. 3
Richards - seems to be trouble - sell and replace
Hutton - I would say sell but we're stuck with him
Okore - keep
Lescott - keep - though may need changing if he can't play twice in a week
Clark - keep
Baker - sell if there is interest
Senderos - will go on a free but not sure what has happened to him, would be good back up
Amavi - keep
Cissokho - keep though may not be able to keep both him and Amavi
Kinsella - keep
Sanchez - sell as I think there would be buyers - replace with more attacking option
Westwood - keep - OK in Championship
Bacuna - keep - as above
Lyden - keep
Gardner - keep
Gana - keep
Veretout - keep
Richardson - go on a free
N'Zogbia - go on a free - preferably to Winson Green for fraud
Cole - already gone?
Gil - keep
Grealish - keep
Sinclair - sell if offer comes in
Ayew - keep but realistically can see there being interest in him and if will be tough
Traore - keep if wages aren't an issue
Gestede - keep - only to be used in 15-20 mins cameos
Kozak - keep - could be good at Championship level if we go down
Agbonlahor - sell but going to be difficult to shift - needs replacing - could be good in C'ship if he puts his mind to it
Have I missed anyone? As we have seen before, selling players isn't always that easy,so I have only put sell by ones that I think we would have a realistic chance of shifting. From that list I think we're probably looking at needing a keeper (hopefully this window), a right-back if Richards goes, a back up CB, a central midfielder and a striker. Obviously the quality of player we get in depends on the league we are in.
If we go down, we will have to make a decision on Lescott. Having a settled back four is vital, so if he can't play two games in a week we might have to look at other options.
Edit - just seen Senderos has gone.
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It's just another form of taking the piss, something clubs have been doing for years, which has led to £60 tickets. Unfortunately people still pay the money, so I don't blame them. Supply and demand and all that.
A stand should've been made in the form of boycotts years ago.
We're hardly in that situation though. To be fair, you can still go and watch most games at Villa Park for less than £25 which isn't bad at all really.
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It's just another form of taking the piss, something clubs have been doing for years, which has led to £60 tickets. Unfortunately people still pay the money, so I don't blame them. Supply and demand and all that.
A stand should've been made in the form of boycotts years ago.
We're hardly in that situation though. To be fair, you can still go and watch most games at Villa Park for less than £25 which isn't bad at all really.
I agree, if you use the early bird offers especially, you can get a great seat for a reasonable price...at the same time, it costs £20 to watch Chester in the Conference.
I didn't have a ST this year due to having a child, but if we go down, I'll definetly be getting one if it's at this season's prices.
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It's nice to see in the midst of the gloom a person who we seem to be taking to our hearts- Remi Garde, none of us wanted him on appointment
but there appears to be a growing groundswell of support for what he is trying to achieve, any balcony banner designers out there ?
In Remi We trust !
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Bored on a course earlier I came up with a list of what I would do in the summer to the playing staff no matter what league we are in. Came up with:
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Have I missed anyone? As we have seen before, selling players isn't always that easy,so I have only put sell by ones that I think we would have a realistic chance of shifting. From that list I think we're probably looking at needing a keeper (hopefully this window), a right-back if Richards goes, a back up CB, a central midfielder and a striker. Obviously the quality of player we get in depends on the league we are in.
If we go down, we will have to make a decision on Lescott. Having a settled back four is vital, so if he can't play two games in a week we might have to look at other options.
Edit - just seen Senderos has gone.
Callum Robinson? Might be worth keeping in the Championship, see what he can do.
Personally I'd get rid of Guzan and Bunn. Harsh on Bunn, he's not really done anything wrong, but if Remi's so desparate to get another keeper in he clearly doesn't think Bunn's the answer. Steer, who knows, might come good so I'd keep him as back-up in the Championship.
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Remi Garde, none of us wanted him on appointment
Eh?
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Bored on a course earlier I came up with a list of what I would do in the summer to the playing staff no matter what league we are in. Came up with:
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Have I missed anyone? As we have seen before, selling players isn't always that easy,so I have only put sell by ones that I think we would have a realistic chance of shifting. From that list I think we're probably looking at needing a keeper (hopefully this window), a right-back if Richards goes, a back up CB, a central midfielder and a striker. Obviously the quality of player we get in depends on the league we are in.
If we go down, we will have to make a decision on Lescott. Having a settled back four is vital, so if he can't play two games in a week we might have to look at other options.
Edit - just seen Senderos has gone.
Callum Robinson? Might be worth keeping in the Championship, see what he can do.
Personally I'd get rid of Guzan and Bunn. Harsh on Bunn, he's not really done anything wrong, but if Remi's so desparate to get another keeper in he clearly doesn't think Bunn's the answer. Steer, who knows, might come good so I'd keep him as back-up in the Championship.
I left out the likes of Robinson, Sellars and Donacien as I would expect them to be retained. I would also expect to see more of them if we do go down.
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Gardner, Robinson and Baker have all shown during loan periods that they are more than good enough to play at the top end of the Championship (or the second division as I still call it). I think Hutton did well on loan there too (Burnley?).
Gestede scored a hatful in that division only last season, Sinclair was great at that level with Swansea.
Ayew, Vertout. Okore and Amavi would be stand out players at that level.
Pretty sure Clark, Lescott, Sanchez, Cissokho and Kozak would be fine at that level.
Richardson, Gabby, Westwood, Guzan, NZogbia, Bakuna, would not hack it there. Not convinced Traoure and Grealish would either.
Overall with the addition of a good goalkeeper, a proven (at that level) striker like Rhodes, and an industrious midfielder I think we would be nailed on for promotion.
However I have no confidence in that shambles of a board. I suspect Okore, Ayew, Kozak, Amavi, Vertout and Lescott will all be sold, and the team will full of players like westwood, Gabby and Bakuna backed up by promoted youth players and no signings. That setup could easily get relegated.
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I'm really looking forward to our 6-0 revenge drubbing of the Jawdies and then fucking those Blunderland fuckers right off by a similar margin.
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I'd be more positive if I knew we'd enter the season without Westwood and Bacuna stinking the place out.
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I'd be more positive if I knew we'd enter the season without Westwood and Bacuna stinking the place out.
Who would buy them! I think the club will sell every player they get an offer for between now and the start of next season, sadly it isn't the likes of Westwood that we will get offers for.
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Can't we restart the myth that Westwood is a Michael Carrick type player who's work goes unseen again? That might convince someone to bite. I'd take anything for him, he's a complete lightweight.
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Remi Garde, none of us wanted him on appointment
Eh?
Which bit didn't you get Dave ? I didn't see him topping any polls before his appointment and most had never heard of him, but like I said there seems to be a groundswell building up behind him right now including me, is that clear enough ?
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There were loads on here wanting him.
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There were loads on here wanting him.
I was one.
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I was quite happy with his appointment.
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As soon as I looked into him I bought into him straight away. I'm still very excited about what he could do here.
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Remi Garde, none of us wanted him on appointment
Eh?
Which bit didn't you get Dave ? I didn't see him topping any polls before his appointment and most had never heard of him, but like I said there seems to be a groundswell building up behind him right now including me, is that clear enough ?
What you said in the first place was pretty clear.
Extremely wrong, but clear.
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I was quite happy with his appointment.
There were loads on here wanting him.
Well done you three then, I wasn't unhappy when he was appointed he just wasn't someone who I had seen mentioned before Sherwood got the boot as a potential replacement, so like I said well done if you three plus the 'loads ' of others had the foresight to see the potential in him before the rest of us
I was one.
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I was quite happy with his appointment.
Me too.
I had £20 at 20/1
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There were loads on here wanting him.
I was one.
And me. Who're we talking about?
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cant remember the exact timeline but , fk me I hadn't had chance to google him before he was ours?
well done to those that did!?
I do like him though
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Not even the trolls and the compulsive miserablists raised objections to Garde's arrival as I recall.
He always fitted the profile of the sort of manager I wanted to see and I have no reason to change that opinion. When he said in L'Equipe that he arrived at Villa Park in an ambulance he got me. Clever, articulate, understated.
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There were loads on here wanting him.
I was one.
And me. Who're we talking about?
Remi Garde pre his appointment
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He's got something about him, which at least suggests he could be a great manager for us.
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Well by the time he was appointed there were loads who on here who wanted him. Or do you actually mean before the rumours we were interested started, which isn't what you first said?
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Not even the trolls and the compulsive miserablists raised objections to Garde's arrival as I recall.
There was plenty of "we need Nigel Pearson or some other thick clogger because of reasons". There is still a bit of it going round that it's what we need for next season
As an aside though, there isn't anything definite yet that says the above position is wrong.
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There were loads on here wanting him.
I was one.
And me. Who're we talking about?
Remi Garde pre his appointment
Sorry I knew I was being frivolous.
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According to this -http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=54926.0
29% of posters on here from the 500+ who voted wanted Garde before he was announced.
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He's got something about him, which at least suggests he could be a great manager for us.
Yes that je nais ce quoi but we will find out!
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It's nice to see in the midst of the gloom a person who we seem to be taking to our hearts- Remi Garde, none of us wanted him on appointment
but there appears to be a growing groundswell of support for what he is trying to achieve, any balcony banner designers out there ?
In Remi We trust !
Proof please.
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We should be careful not to allow the normal optimism that Villa fans and football supporters in general display get in the way of the stark fact that those who own and run our club (Remi Garde excepted), neither understand the game or care about AVFC. My fear is that we will wallow in the Championship and Lerner will hold a fire sale of the club and we end up with some bunch of clowns like the Bhatti brothers of ill renowned bluenose infamy. If that occurs then what ultimately happens to our club could make the fate of Notts Forest and Leeds look like a picnic. Anybody fancy going to watch us play Wimbledon in a few years time? Because that is where we may be heading unless some megabucks saviour rescues our club from the Lerner calamity. I was around in the late 60's. Believe me that what is happening now is much, much worse than what befell us at that time, because even as we headed for Division 3 we had Doug Ellis and a committed board to put things back together. We have nobody at the top now who gives a fuck.
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i like garde and the way he conducts himself.
still not sure he is the right man for us a bit of the right manager at the wrong time, his record since joining us would already have got him the push at a lot of clubs.
his hands are seriously tied with having to work with a shit squad and the fuckwits on the board, i just hope he can get us picking up points and wins until the end of the season so we can get a pride back and have something to build on for next season.
a massive 6 games coming up
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I was quite happy with his appointment.
Me too.
I had £20 at 20/1
I put my entire life savings on Dwight Yorke. Price of a cup o'tea guv?
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To the 145 ( 29% of 500) who wanted Remi Garde before he was appointed I apologise and did not know that was the case. I hereby correct my comments to the overwhelming majority of Villa supporters did not ask for his appointment...... and bring it back to my post which was a positive one stating there appears to be a growing groundswell of opinion and support for what he is trying to achive and I include myself in that number. 8)
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To the 145 ( 29% of 500) who wanted Remi Garde before he was appointed I apologise and did not know that was the case. I hereby correct my comments to the overwhelming majority of Villa supporters did not ask for his appointment...... and bring it back to my post which was a positive one stating there appears to be a growing groundswell of opinion and support for what he is trying to achive and I include myself in that number. 8)
I think its fair to say than the majority saw the appointment as too much of a gamble not least because at the time we still had a chance of staying up. My hope is that come next season he would have found his feet more and that we will have a decent summer of business.
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I was quite positive, but the way we've handled this transfer window makes me concerned.
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you mean in the way we appear not to have handled it?
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We've boycotted it
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We will start the cycle of despair again come summer 16, Manager gone, players worth anything gone, because them relegation clauses work both ways and are normally loaded in favour of the player, what are we left with, the shit that no one else wants to buy and that shit will not be good enough to get us out of that division, lets hope to god it is good enough to keep us in it. The one thing we do know there will be no definable plan that's for sure, why change the habit of the last 10 years.
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To the 145 ( 29% of 500) who wanted Remi Garde before he was appointed I apologise and did not know that was the case. I hereby correct my comments to the overwhelming majority of Villa supporters did not ask for his appointment...... and bring it back to my post which was a positive one stating there appears to be a growing groundswell of opinion and support for what he is trying to achive and I include myself in that number. 8)
I think its fair to say than the majority saw the appointment as too much of a gamble not least because at the time we still had a chance of staying up. My hope is that come next season he would have found his feet more and that we will have a decent summer of business.
He has got us seven results, a win and six draws. If the board backed him big time on 1 January we may well have converted at least one of the draws into a win & be in the mix. besides, the joker in the dug-out before him should have been sacked weeks before he was.
I saw a video of Hollis more or less saying the club's problems have been instability and not lack of investment. The club's problems have stemmed from people who don't understand football making bad decisions: hiring McLeish, leaving Lambert in place 18 months too long, hiring Sherwood 'from a shortlist of one'. Oh, and the main problem has been selling good players like Downing, Milner, Young, Delph, Benteke and not bothering to replace them.
I do wish the people who are truly responsible for this mess would accept responsibility instead of coming out with more bullshit.
Rant over.
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Hollis must think we're all bloody stupid if he expects us think our problems stem from a lack of stability. In the real world we all know our decline is down to Lerner not wanting to pay Premier League wages. This is why we have a squad mainly filled with lower league rubbish.
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Hollis must think we're all bloody stupid if he expects us think our problems stem from a lack of stability. In the real world we all know our decline is down to Lerner not wanting to pay Premier League wages. This is why we have a squad mainly filled with lower league rubbish.
In any walk of life if you start explicitly criticising your boss and owner of the company in public then your next move will be to pick up your P45 which is a self defeating approach. I think he is saying pretty much the same thing but in the context of stability, thus avoiding personal criticism.
In the end though, saying it is the easy part. Doing something about it is where he will earn his corn and how he will be judged and that can only be over a decent period of time.
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Hollis must think we're all bloody stupid if he expects us think our problems stem from a lack of stability. In the real world we all know our decline is down to Lerner not wanting to pay Premier League wages. This is why we have a squad mainly filled with lower league rubbish.
In any walk of life if you start explicitly criticising your boss and owner of the company in public then your next move will be to pick up your P45 which is a self defeating approach. I think he is saying pretty much the same thing but in the context of stability, thus avoiding personal criticism.
In the end though, saying it is the easy part. Doing something about it is where he will earn his corn and how he will be judged and that can only be over a decent period of time.
I doubt if he's there to change anything. He's there to do Lerner's dirty work leaving the latter to become even more detached from the club than he was before.
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I'm positive we're in for a shock.
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Hollis must think we're all bloody stupid if he expects us think our problems stem from a lack of stability. In the real world we all know our decline is down to Lerner not wanting to pay Premier League wages. This is why we have a squad mainly filled with lower league rubbish.
This is the problem with Lerner. He wants a small wage bill, but we still have a high wage bill, yet our squad is almost teetering over with some of the most grotesquely awful players who have ever stunk out this great club. The sadder part is just how many are reeking the ground out in one go. Lerner brings incompetence to whole new levels. He's as thick as pig shit as morons like Dubya and Trump. Lerner is the sort of buffoon who rides an atomic bomb to it's explosion like he's riding a bull.
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We don't have a high wage bill anymore though do we, it's lower than the Albions.
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It was reported at £63 million in the last accounts.
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They are stopping expense claims at the Academy. 10p a mile petrol allowance will soon be gone.
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We have a few players here and there on big money....Richards, Gabby, CNZ.
I struggle to believe our total wage bill is anywhere near top half for this league, more like bottom 6 which reflects our annual finishing position.
The trouble is when you cut it to the bone and go down...it will then go back to being one of the higher in the championship, our revenue streams will be reduced so I'm guessing but we'd start to become in a bit of trouble with FFP which a few other relegated teams like Blackburn and Cardiff have had embargos put on them.
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MK Dons which for the Villa should be 6 points.
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I'm confident I will be at less games
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Fuck it, I'm going to VP more than I do now if we go down.
We're not like the fucking dogshitters and stripeys are we? Those two sets of mutants are famous for staying away when things get a bit grim.
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Revenue will go down, but so will wages by at least 30% due to the clauses that will able been inserted for such an eventuality. Only N'Zambia of the big earners would possibly be without a clause for a wage reduction but then that's irrelevant with that boil being lanced come May.
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I'll go as often as funds allow me same as every season. I go to watch the Villa, not who we're playing. Plus the only notable stuff i've seen of Championship sides this season, MK today, Derby on Friday night and sha at ours, the standard is gash and 2 of them are hoping for promotion. Even right now i'd back us to beat those 3.
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Revenue will go down, but so will wages by at least 30% due to the clauses that will able been inserted for such an eventuality. Only N'Zambia of the big earners would possibly be without a clause for a wage reduction but then that's irrelevant with that boil being lanced come May.
You reckon these clowns have had the gumption to put in relegation clauses?
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Revenue will go down, but so will wages by at least 30% due to the clauses that will able been inserted for such an eventuality. Only N'Zambia of the big earners would possibly be without a clause for a wage reduction but then that's irrelevant with that boil being lanced come May.
You reckon these clowns have had the gumption to put in relegation clauses?
Yes, regardless of how many times you ask that question.
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We have a few players here and there on big money....Richards, Gabby, CNZ.
I struggle to believe our total wage bill is anywhere near top half for this league, more like bottom 6 which reflects our annual finishing position.
The trouble is when you cut it to the bone and go down...it will then go back to being one of the higher in the championship, our revenue streams will be reduced so I'm guessing but we'd start to become in a bit of trouble with FFP which a few other relegated teams like Blackburn and Cardiff have had embargos put on them.
wages are 9th
Turnover 9th highest, £117m (up from £84m in 2013)
Gate and matchday £13m
TV and broadcasting £73m
Commercial £22m
Sponsorship £9m
Wage bill Joint 9th highest, £69m (down from £72m)
Wages as proportion of turnover 59%
Loss before tax £4m (following £52m loss in 2013)
Net debt £102m
the 3 biggest avenues of revenue are going to take a hammering
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We have a few players here and there on big money....Richards, Gabby, CNZ.
I struggle to believe our total wage bill is anywhere near top half for this league, more like bottom 6 which reflects our annual finishing position.
The trouble is when you cut it to the bone and go down...it will then go back to being one of the higher in the championship, our revenue streams will be reduced so I'm guessing but we'd start to become in a bit of trouble with FFP which a few other relegated teams like Blackburn and Cardiff have had embargos put on them.
Just as depressing as not signing anyone is CNZ and Agbonlahor have not been offloaded.
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We have a few players here and there on big money....Richards, Gabby, CNZ.
I struggle to believe our total wage bill is anywhere near top half for this league, more like bottom 6 which reflects our annual finishing position.
The trouble is when you cut it to the bone and go down...it will then go back to being one of the higher in the championship, our revenue streams will be reduced so I'm guessing but we'd start to become in a bit of trouble with FFP which a few other relegated teams like Blackburn and Cardiff have had embargos put on them.
Just as depressing as not signing anyone is CNZ and Agbonlahor have not been offloaded.
totally agree but nzog is a free agent at the end of the season and no one is stupid enough to take flabby
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We have a few players here and there on big money....Richards, Gabby, CNZ.
I struggle to believe our total wage bill is anywhere near top half for this league, more like bottom 6 which reflects our annual finishing position.
The trouble is when you cut it to the bone and go down...it will then go back to being one of the higher in the championship, our revenue streams will be reduced so I'm guessing but we'd start to become in a bit of trouble with FFP which a few other relegated teams like Blackburn and Cardiff have had embargos put on them.
wages are 9th
Turnover 9th highest, £117m (up from £84m in 2013)
Gate and matchday £13m
TV and broadcasting £73m
Commercial £22m
Sponsorship £9m
Wage bill Joint 9th highest, £69m (down from £72m)
Wages as proportion of turnover 59%
Loss before tax £4m (following £52m loss in 2013)
Net debt £102m
the 3 biggest avenues of revenue are going to take a hammering
Wages aren't 9th. For last season we were 13th and I've no doubt our wage bill is less this season. Our revenue has also fallen behind West Ham and Southampton and we are only 11th now.
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We have a few players here and there on big money....Richards, Gabby, CNZ.
I struggle to believe our total wage bill is anywhere near top half for this league, more like bottom 6 which reflects our annual finishing position.
The trouble is when you cut it to the bone and go down...it will then go back to being one of the higher in the championship, our revenue streams will be reduced so I'm guessing but we'd start to become in a bit of trouble with FFP which a few other relegated teams like Blackburn and Cardiff have had embargos put on them.
Just as depressing as not signing anyone is CNZ and Agbonlahor have not been offloaded.
totally agree but nzog is a free agent at the end of the season and no one is stupid enough to take flabby
On the stupid stakes we are in with a shout, for stupidous ****** see Randy, he may sanction a bid
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We have a few players here and there on big money....Richards, Gabby, CNZ.
I struggle to believe our total wage bill is anywhere near top half for this league, more like bottom 6 which reflects our annual finishing position.
The trouble is when you cut it to the bone and go down...it will then go back to being one of the higher in the championship, our revenue streams will be reduced so I'm guessing but we'd start to become in a bit of trouble with FFP which a few other relegated teams like Blackburn and Cardiff have had embargos put on them.
wages are 9th
Turnover 9th highest, £117m (up from £84m in 2013)
Gate and matchday £13m
TV and broadcasting £73m
Commercial £22m
Sponsorship £9m
Wage bill Joint 9th highest, £69m (down from £72m)
Wages as proportion of turnover 59%
Loss before tax £4m (following £52m loss in 2013)
Net debt £102m
the 3 biggest avenues of revenue are going to take a hammering
Wages aren't 9th. For last season we were 13th and I've no doubt our wage bill is less this season. Our revenue has also fallen behind West Ham and Southampton and we are only 11th now.
are the figures from published accounts? the figures i quoted are based on season ending may 2014, have we published last seasons then?
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Sorry I'm interrupting the flow a little, but in response to the thread title, I'd have to say the answer is a resounding 'not sure yet'.
I love the idea of starting a season with more to play for than a mid table finish. I'm pleased I know there's a good chance I will see us win more games than we will lose. And above I'm ecstatic at the prospect of seeing a Villa captain emulate Sir Dennis of 81 and hold that trophy in its traditional home.
But...am I convinced we have the manager and board that can identify, purchase, coach and motivate a team capable of going toe to toe with the cloggers of that league?
I'm sorry but I'm not.
Because I saw nothing at Wycombe or at any point in Remi Gardes tenure for that matter to suggest we can.
I'm sorry lads. I like the way he speaks, but I'm astonished people have taken to him. It's been awful since the day he got here, and I refuse to believe there aren't others that could have done better.
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I think that, since McLeish, Lerner has spent what he feels is the bare minimum to keep us up.
Now that the policy has failed I suspect he'll try to spend the bare minimum required to get us up next season.
My concern is that he might think the figure required is £0.
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We have a few players here and there on big money....Richards, Gabby, CNZ.
I struggle to believe our total wage bill is anywhere near top half for this league, more like bottom 6 which reflects our annual finishing position.
The trouble is when you cut it to the bone and go down...it will then go back to being one of the higher in the championship, our revenue streams will be reduced so I'm guessing but we'd start to become in a bit of trouble with FFP which a few other relegated teams like Blackburn and Cardiff have had embargos put on them.
wages are 9th
Turnover 9th highest, £117m (up from £84m in 2013)
Gate and matchday £13m
TV and broadcasting £73m
Commercial £22m
Sponsorship £9m
Wage bill Joint 9th highest, £69m (down from £72m)
Wages as proportion of turnover 59%
Loss before tax £4m (following £52m loss in 2013)
Net debt £102m
the 3 biggest avenues of revenue are going to take a hammering
Wages aren't 9th. For last season we were 13th and I've no doubt our wage bill is less this season. Our revenue has also fallen behind West Ham and Southampton and we are only 11th now.
are the figures from published accounts? the figures i quoted are based on season ending may 2014, have we published last seasons then?
I took them from the deloitte money league figures that were released a few weeks ago. I think officially the club normally release the accounts towards the end of February.
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We have a few players here and there on big money....Richards, Gabby, CNZ.
I struggle to believe our total wage bill is anywhere near top half for this league, more like bottom 6 which reflects our annual finishing position.
The trouble is when you cut it to the bone and go down...it will then go back to being one of the higher in the championship, our revenue streams will be reduced so I'm guessing but we'd start to become in a bit of trouble with FFP which a few other relegated teams like Blackburn and Cardiff have had embargos put on them.
wages are 9th
Turnover 9th highest, £117m (up from £84m in 2013)
Gate and matchday £13m
TV and broadcasting £73m
Commercial £22m
Sponsorship £9m
Wage bill Joint 9th highest, £69m (down from £72m)
Wages as proportion of turnover 59%
Loss before tax £4m (following £52m loss in 2013)
Net debt £102m
the 3 biggest avenues of revenue are going to take a hammering
Wages aren't 9th. For last season we were 13th and I've no doubt our wage bill is less this season. Our revenue has also fallen behind West Ham and Southampton and we are only 11th now.
are the figures from published accounts? the figures i quoted are based on season ending may 2014, have we published last seasons then?
I took them from the deloitte money league figures that were released a few weeks ago. I think officially the club normally release the accounts towards the end of February.
thanks ill have a look
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Well I was sitting on the fence, but now I am definitely in the not positive camp.
If the behaviour of the board and new chairman this window is anything to go by then I think we are in for a fire sale next season, with zero transfers incoming.
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Sorry I'm interrupting the flow a little, but in response to the thread title, I'd have to say the answer is a resounding 'not sure yet'.
I love the idea of starting a season with more to play for than a mid table finish. I'm pleased I know there's a good chance I will see us win more games than we will lose. And above I'm ecstatic at the prospect of seeing a Villa captain emulate Sir Dennis of 81 and hold that trophy in its traditional home.
But...am I convinced we have the manager and board that can identify, purchase, coach and motivate a team capable of going toe to toe with the cloggers of that league?
Absolutely... Remi Garde is an honest manager who is trying his best in a very dysfunctional situation. Do I believe that he has the grit or the experience to get us out of the championship? Not a chance even if he had a competent and commited owner and board, which is not the case, he would still struggle in a very physical league with the pantywaister players at his disposal. We need a gutsy slogger to get us back up.
I'm sorry but I'm not.
Because I saw nothing at Wycombe or at any point in Remi Gardes tenure for that matter to suggest we can.
I'm sorry lads. I like the way he speaks, but I'm astonished people have taken to him. It's been awful since the day he got here, and I refuse to believe there aren't others that could have done better.
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Sorry I'm interrupting the flow a little, but in response to the thread title, I'd have to say the answer is a resounding 'not sure yet'.
I love the idea of starting a season with more to play for than a mid table finish. I'm pleased I know there's a good chance I will see us win more games than we will lose. And above I'm ecstatic at the prospect of seeing a Villa captain emulate Sir Dennis of 81 and hold that trophy in its traditional home.
But...am I convinced we have the manager and board that can identify, purchase, coach and motivate a team capable of going toe to toe with the cloggers of that league?
I'm sorry but I'm not.
Because I saw nothing at Wycombe or at any point in Remi Gardes tenure for that matter to suggest we can.
I'm sorry lads. I like the way he speaks, but I'm astonished people have taken to him. It's been awful since the day he got here, and I refuse to believe there aren't others that could have done better.
Absolutely. Remi Garde is not the man to take us out of the championship. Even if we had a committed and competent board it would need a very different character to cope with life at this slogging level and that is before we get to look at the current group of panty waisters that make up our squad. Very bad times ahead I fear
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The search for the nadir has years to run.
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Can Nadir play right back?
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Can Nadir play right back?
He's currently filling most positions in the side.
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We have a few players here and there on big money....Richards, Gabby, CNZ.
I struggle to believe our total wage bill is anywhere near top half for this league, more like bottom 6 which reflects our annual finishing position.
The trouble is when you cut it to the bone and go down...it will then go back to being one of the higher in the championship, our revenue streams will be reduced so I'm guessing but we'd start to become in a bit of trouble with FFP which a few other relegated teams like Blackburn and Cardiff have had embargos put on them.
wages are 9th
Turnover 9th highest, £117m (up from £84m in 2013)
Gate and matchday £13m
TV and broadcasting £73m
Commercial £22m
Sponsorship £9m
Wage bill Joint 9th highest, £69m (down from £72m)
Wages as proportion of turnover 59%
Loss before tax £4m (following £52m loss in 2013)
Net debt £102m
the 3 biggest avenues of revenue are going to take a hammering
Wages aren't 9th. For last season we were 13th and I've no doubt our wage bill is less this season. Our revenue has also fallen behind West Ham and Southampton and we are only 11th now.
are the figures from published accounts? the figures i quoted are based on season ending may 2014, have we published last seasons then?
I'm talking the here and now, May 2014 would have people like Benteke, Vlaar, Given, D*lph.
The french lads will be nowhere near what some of those were on. Mid table ligue une clubs don't pay their players 40k a week.
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They are stopping expense claims at the Academy. 10p a mile petrol allowance will soon be gone.
If that's not a classic sign of an accountant taking the reigns with an obvious agenda, I really don't know what is.
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We have had 5 years of reduced spending, yes agreed it had to happen after the poor management of funds when Lerner first came to the table as an excited kid, those cuts I believe Randy has not seen the effect he wanted, his first action to address was bring in Fox to increase revenue, to a certain extent if his dribble is to be believed this has happened, then Randy sees that Remi has not had the immediate effect on results, as I am sure Randy was the same as the rest of us, anyone can get more out of this squad than Tactics and in typical Villa pantomine style," Oh no he can't", decides roughly about Christmas time that we are foooked as a Premier league team this season, so lets get Reg Hollis in to cut back even further.
Players will have relegation clauses inserted I would imagine since TSM 1 came in the door, so what type of squad we will have for August 2016 god only knows, but what you can be guaranteed is that anyone coming in, will be costing less than what we have spent previously so probably 3 to 5 mill max and wages reflected as to what league we are playing in. Reduced revenue streams, alot of people made redundant in the summer from the non-playing side, wasters like Gabby still sucking the life blood from the club, so you can probably see next season in the Championship does not fill me with a feeling of being excited and positive, just dread.
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If it is true as reported that we approached Michu then no, I mean first a goalkeeper that didn't qualify then a once upon a time very good player who has not played for years at any decent level. We are being led by idiots (Garde not included).
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Not now, because I think the whole approach to running the club is a disaster. Given our inability to sign anyone (I hope I'm tempting fate), if I was Ayew or Veretout and the like I'd be trying to get out of the door asap. Signing players and showing ambition is needed for anyone connected with a club be that fans or players.
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There's no quality player that can be cherry picked in the summer, there's a positive.
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The thing is that the current disastrous board are not just out of their depth in the PL they are out of their depth in football per se.
How can we be positive about next season? If they remain in control we can expect a similar season next year.
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That's my concern. I don't see us dropping to Championship as some sort of cleansing experience with the current board in control. We'll just operate in the same way only with even less money and after today quite possibly without Garde as manager.
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I can't really fault Garde. I wish we had appointed him sooner. He's said all the right things and has dealt with every situation he's faced in a calm and collected manner, I think he's a good manager and was exactly what we've needed at Villa since O'Neil left. Things had started to feel a little more positive. And then, in my opinion the board has done their best (as they always seem to do) of shitting all over that.
I wish the board would take a leaf out of Remi's book to be f**king honest.
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I'm still waiting for somebody on the board, preferably would have been Lerner (until he abdicated responsibility to Hollis) to come out and say:
"Sorry, we fucked up, but we will put it right".
No chance.
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They are stopping expense claims at the Academy. 10p a mile petrol allowance will soon be gone.
If that's not a classic sign of an accountant taking the reigns with an obvious agenda, I really don't know what is.
That's a classic sign of an organisation in desperate cash management actions. As one of my former bosses put it, "the time to worry is when they ask you to keep tabs on the stationary cupboard. If you're down to counting how many Bic biros we go through in a month the game's already up."
Are we down to Ellis like not being able to claim £1.50 for a coffee and a sandwich yet?
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I fear for us next season I really do. With the people who are clearly out of their depth on the board I fear things could get even worse.
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I'm positive Garde won't be here.
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I'm positively bricking it.
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That's my concern. I don't see us dropping to Championship as some sort of cleansing experience with the current board in control. We'll just operate in the same way only with even less money and after today quite possibly without Garde as manager.
The concern is that with the total fucknuts we have running the show the championship is just the first floor the the out of control lift will flash through as it careers downwards out of control
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Why all the negativity? Uncle Tom has got us a lovely new kit dal...
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Why all the negativity? Uncle Tom has got us a lovely new kit dal...
wonder if they will tell us what the 'substantial reduction if relegated' is
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It annoys me that I care, i get no pleasure out of supporting Villa now except coming on here. We are a fucking embarrassment and it's down to the shower of bellends in charge.
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When I believed that the board would not be so stupid as to stitch up Remi Garde in the transfer window, I expected him to stay for next season and we would come back immediately. Those bets are off. If Remi stays he will only do so if they honour the commitments made to him about money available. The January debacle now makes me suspect nowhere near adequate money will be provided and Remi will walk. Enter somebody like Pearson and the best we can hope for will be a play off place next year
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Brian they will not honour their commitment to him, I think he will be gone in May, only staying now because he has some dignity and decency that the board can not recognise after some of the shysters they have employed.
This is the scary prospect of the cycle starting again in May, but with reduced funds especially for wages, whilst we are left with the likes of Gabby and Westwood bleeding the club dry, whilst making no significant contribution, just as CNZ has been for the last 3 years.
If he went I would look at the guy at Glasgow Rangers Warburton I think he is called, but you are probably right it will be Pearson or Bruce.
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I am struggling to believe that we will come straight back up...the same financial restrictions that are strangling Remi now will be evident in the Championship, possibly more so...lower tv revenue, lower gates, lower sponsorship, lower merchandise sales, etc..ad nauseum. The hope seems to be pinned on a 'we are Aston Villa, the big fish in the small pond' sentiment - but the Championship is full of ex-PL big fish and that is no guarantee of success. The other potential hope would be that even though we got relegated, we have better quality of players and maybe that is true for one or two (who we could easily lose in the Summer), but we have many more that will likely be inadequate or ineffective (as they get kicked to pieces). Not forgetting that many of the squad will have just had their salaries reduced - not sure if that will motivate the squad or kill the desire. I genuinely wonder if the salaries of the Board will be similarly reduced ? Probably not, which means that the business still has to cover the costs of management and the infrastructure at the same level as a PL club which puts more pressure on the financials.
These are dark times indeed and I have no confidence in our Boards ability to 're-engineer' the club and quickly return us to the Premier League.
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Garde has been handed the poison pill in the chalice from the palace. We should endeavour to keep him but the majority of the rest including Lerner need to go, and quick. Without the PL bonus we could be languishing in lower divions for a while. Lerner isn't prepared to spend shinola. It is hard to write never mind consider our projects. We have been cattle trucked since Lerner fecked Martin O'Neill off and that is a while now..back to the early 70's misery now.
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Garde has been handed the poison pill in the chalice from the palace.
As long as he avoids the vessel with the pestle. No, wait.
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Garde has been handed the poison pill in the chalice from the palace. We should endeavour to keep him but the majority of the rest including Lerner need to go, and quick. Without the PL bonus we could be languishing in lower divions for a while. Lerner isn't prepared to spend shinola. It is hard to write never mind consider our projects. We have been cattle trucked since Lerner fecked Martin O'Neill off and that is a while now..back to the early 70's misery now.
We actually had some good times in the 70s including winning the League Cup twice. We got to visit small clubs like - er - Bournemouth!
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When I believed that the board would not be so stupid as to stitch up Remi Garde in the transfer window, I expected him to stay for next season and we would come back immediately. Those bets are off. If Remi stays he will only do so if they honour the commitments made to him about money available. The January debacle now makes me suspect nowhere near adequate money will be provided and Remi will walk. Enter somebody like Pearson and the best we can hope for will be a play off place next year
It's the prospect of a skuzz bucket like Pearson turning up that would be the final humiliation for me.
As shit as McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood have been, at least they appeared to be fundamentally decent human beings. A bit too full of bullshit in Lambert's case and generally full of himself in Sherwood's, but decent.
Pearson would be scrapping the bottom of a barrel that's in the basement beneath the barrel we fished O'Leary out of.
We'd probably go for Billy Davis anyway.
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Garde has been handed the poison pill in the chalice from the palace. We should endeavour to keep him but the majority of the rest including Lerner need to go, and quick. Without the PL bonus we could be languishing in lower divions for a while. Lerner isn't prepared to spend shinola. It is hard to write never mind consider our projects. We have been cattle trucked since Lerner fecked Martin O'Neill off and that is a while now..back to the early 70's misery now.
We actually had some good times in the 70s including winning the League Cup twice. We got to visit small clubs like - er - Bournemouth!
And got over 48,000 for the home game.
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more games to watch our great team..
erm.... oh
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They are stopping expense claims at the Academy. 10p a mile petrol allowance will soon be gone.
If that's not a classic sign of an accountant taking the reigns with an obvious agenda, I really don't know what is.
That's a classic sign of an organisation in desperate cash management actions. As one of my former bosses put it, "the time to worry is when they ask you to keep tabs on the stationary cupboard. If you're down to counting how many Bic biros we go through in a month the game's already up."
Are we down to Ellis like not being able to claim £1.50 for a coffee and a sandwich yet?
That's exactly what I was thinking. We're truly fucked.
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They are stopping expense claims at the Academy. 10p a mile petrol allowance will soon be gone.
If that's not a classic sign of an accountant taking the reigns with an obvious agenda, I really don't know what is.
That's a classic sign of an organisation in desperate cash management actions. As one of my former bosses put it, "the time to worry is when they ask you to keep tabs on the stationary cupboard. If you're down to counting how many Bic biros we go through in a month the game's already up."
Are we down to Ellis like not being able to claim £1.50 for a coffee and a sandwich yet?
That's exactly what I was thinking. We're truly fucked.
Christ almighty we are a fucking embarrassment.
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Any budding writers out there, start taking notes. There could be another 'Children of the Revolution' one day.