Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: johnny from donny on January 11, 2016, 07:22:28 PM
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Mark Saggers has said they'll be discussing Villa for half an hour between 8 & 9 Manchester Utd are the other half hour and he didn't say which way round they were doing it.
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Saggers is usually quite balanced unlike the clown he has next to him on a Monday night.
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Hopefully it'll be a bit more insightful than the poorly-researched - albeit predictable - guff that Durham came out with earlier in his piss-poor 'Aston Villa-geddon' effort. I wouldn't hold your breath though.
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That'll be five minutes discussing Villa and 25 minutes about betting on upcoming games
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Hopefully it'll be a bit more insightful than the poorly-researched - albeit predictable - guff that Durham came out with earlier in his piss-poor 'Aston Villa-geddon' effort. I wouldn't hold your breath though.
What was said?
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Yanited up first after 10 mins of news and adverts
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That'll be 40 minutes of them titty babbing about not winning every game and scoring 3 or 4 then.
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Pat Murphy was on 5 Live earlier. When I listen to him I can never understand why there are so many Villa fans who think he has a problem with us. He strikes me as being fair to the point of being on our (as fans) side.
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Pat Murphy was on 5 Live earlier. When I listen to him I can never understand why there are so many Villa fans who think he has a problem with us. He strikes me as being fair to the point of being on our (as fans) side.
Never gave Lambert an easy ride either.
He doesn't ever strike me as anti Villa, rather amazed that we have been bumping along the bottom for so long.
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Well it's 2 minutes in and they've said Dim Tim couldn't sign his own players, so waste of time listening to them it's shite again.
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Now it's Bale and Real Madrid.....
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Well it's 2 minutes in and they've said Dim Tim couldn't sign his own players, so waste of time listening to them it's shite again.
Indeed.
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Hopefully it'll be a bit more insightful than the poorly-researched - albeit predictable - guff that Durham came out with earlier in his piss-poor 'Aston Villa-geddon' effort. I wouldn't hold your breath though.
What was said?
Oh, Durham 'put the question out there' about if it's time Garde got the sack; only one win all season (!) & said he didn't think he was the right appointment anyway. Oh & he said Lerner was flying over! Darren Gough actually made far more of a stab at what had happened at VP, but he also said that he didn't think Garde was the right appointment when he got the gig either. I probably don't need to fill in the gaps - since there weren't any to speak of anyway.
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Pat Murphy was on 5 Live earlier. When I listen to him I can never understand why there are so many Villa fans who think he has a problem with us. He strikes me as being fair to the point of being on our (as fans) side.
Listened to Pat Murphy and he spoke a lot of sense.
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How did Spurs get into a Villa discussion? Shite
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Villa? Think I've heard it 3 times. Slagging of the transfer committee and the board for not allowing Dim to get his own players.
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New players not good enough. Ign I ring that our best players recently are those bought by the committee.
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Was that it?!
Edit: My God, there's more...
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They went back to Villa and talked about the supporters having a go on Saturday. Not much to write home about, supporters "know" when a player is putting 100% in blah blah
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Basically they've covered Tim, Bale, Real Madrid, Spurs, Tim, rich players, Tim and now it's Swansea.
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Remi Garde wrong appointment. Mcleish not wanted as from Birmingham. ...
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And they CONTINUE to bang on about Sherwood. And now it's Gary Monk!
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Ruined Tims chances of being a premier league manager the young English man. .... it's ludicrous. ..
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Oh how big of Mr Lerner to grace us with his presence. Perhaps he should fsce ghe fans against Palace? Is he definitely flying over??
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They actually spoke more about bother Spurs and Swansea during a section about us.
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well that was a waste of 45 minutes for me!
rather like!!!
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Sherwood does seem to have mastered MON's talent for leaving a car crash behind and coming up smelling of roses.
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At least they're talking about us on both 5 Live and Talksport. I'm not sure to what depth people expect them to go, given that fans at other clubs will not be as familiar as us with what has gone on.
Fast forward a year and we'll be lucky if we get a mention at all.
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Pat Murphy was on 5 Live earlier. When I listen to him I can never understand why there are so many Villa fans who think he has a problem with us. He strikes me as being fair to the point of being on our (as fans) side.
Five Live also did a Villa piece tonight for 20 minutes. Murphy was there as well as Andy Townsend and a very good journo who's name I can not remember. Spoke to a Villa fan who was at Wycombe and tried to remonstrate with the chewing gummers. They all laid into Lescott and Guzan and insisted that they should apologise to supporters for their totally unprofessional conduct especially in light of the very very poor team performance. Of course Murphy did his usual precise succinct summing up with basically said "the new Villa men in charge are trying to be too smart in the way they do things, too left field such as selecting Garde. How did they not realised that McLeish should never have been appointed as Villa Manager for two reasons. He was at Birmingham and had relegated their tribal neighbours and next he ended up with Lerner & Co." Andy finished off by saying that the team just needs to win 2/3 matches to give fans some hope.
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Pat Murphy was on 5 Live earlier. When I listen to him I can never understand why there are so many Villa fans who think he has a problem with us. He strikes me as being fair to the point of being on our (as fans) side.
Five Live also did a Villa piece tonight for 20 minutes. Murphy was there as well as Andy Townsend and a very good journo who's name I can not remember. Spoke to a Villa fan who was at Wycombe and tried to remonstrate with the chewing gummers. They all laid into Lescott and Guzan and insisted that they should apologise to supporters for their totally unprofessional conduct especially in light of the very very poor team performance. Of course Murphy did his usual precise succinct summing up with basically said "the new Villa men in charge are trying to be too smart in the way they do things, too left field such as selecting Garde. How did they not realised that McLeish should never have been appointed as Villa Manager for two reasons. He was at Birmingham and had relegated their tribal neighbours and next he ended up with Lerner & Co." Andy finished off by saying that the team just needs to win 2/3 matches to give fans some hope.
Rory Smith from the Times was the journalist
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Andy finished off by saying that the team just needs to win 2/3 matches to give fans some hope.
Didn't General K. say pretty much the same thing?
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Thanks spangley1812. I thought he was very good.
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Thanks spangley1812. I thought he was very good.
He is normally very good/objective on whatever show he is on........You couldnt really argue with anything anybody said about the current situation really
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Sherwood does seem to have mastered MON's talent for leaving a car crash behind and coming up smelling of roses.
Oh for a 6th place car crash
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Pat Murphy was on 5 Live earlier. When I listen to him I can never understand why there are so many Villa fans who think he has a problem with us. He strikes me as being fair to the point of being on our (as fans) side.
Five Live also did a Villa piece tonight for 20 minutes. Murphy was there as well as Andy Townsend and a very good journo who's name I can not remember. Spoke to a Villa fan who was at Wycombe and tried to remonstrate with the chewing gummers. They all laid into Lescott and Guzan and insisted that they should apologise to supporters for their totally unprofessional conduct especially in light of the very very poor team performance. Of course Murphy did his usual precise succinct summing up with basically said "the new Villa men in charge are trying to be too smart in the way they do things, too left field such as selecting Garde. How did they not realised that McLeish should never have been appointed as Villa Manager for two reasons. He was at Birmingham and had relegated their tribal neighbours and next he ended up with Lerner & Co." Andy finished off by saying that the team just needs to win 2/3 matches to give fans some hope.
Rory Smith from the Times was the journalist
Good stuff.
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A sixth place teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Why does Leeds spring to mind?
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Sherwood does seem to have mastered MON's talent for leaving a car crash behind and coming up smelling of roses.
Appy Arryesque -
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A sixth place teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Why does Leeds spring to mind?
We're we teetering on the brink of bankruptcy then?
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I'm another who doesn't understand the stick Pat Murphy gets, never felt he has any sort of agenda or dislike of the club, in fact I'd say he's very fond of Aston Villa but has never been a fan of the secretive/illusive/shy/pig ignorant owner.
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I'm another who doesn't understand the stick Pat Murphy gets, never felt he has any sort of agenda or dislike of the club, in fact I'd say he's very fond of Aston Villa but has never been a fan of the secretive/illusive/shy/pig ignorant owner.
Agreed. Murphy has spoke sense day one. I remember him getting grief from Villa fans as soon as Lerner took over regarding the fact he wouldn't speak to the press. He pointed out that it was alright okay while everything was going well but he pointed out that when things weren't going so well the fans would soon change their tune at Lerner's lack of communication.
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A sixth place teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Why does Leeds spring to mind?
We're we teetering on the brink of bankruptcy then?
MON said on BT on Saturday that he was aware of some cynical supporters that blamed the start of Villas demise on his departure. He said he felt he left us in pretty good shape and disagreed with that view.
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A sixth place teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Why does Leeds spring to mind?
We're we teetering on the brink of bankruptcy then?
MON said on BT on Saturday that he was aware of some cynical supporters that blamed the start of Villas demise on his departure. He said he felt he left us in pretty good shape and disagreed with that view.
Well we had a wage bill that was over 100% of turnover, so no, he didn't leave us in a good shape at all.
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A sixth place teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Why does Leeds spring to mind?
We're we teetering on the brink of bankruptcy then?
MON said on BT on Saturday that he was aware of some cynical supporters that blamed the start of Villas demise on his departure. He said he felt he left us in pretty good shape and disagreed with that view.
Well we had a wage bill that was over 100% of turnover, so no, he didn't leave us in a good shape at all.
Well we've at least sorted that problem!
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A sixth place teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Why does Leeds spring to mind?
We're we teetering on the brink of bankruptcy then?
MON said on BT on Saturday that he was aware of some cynical supporters that blamed the start of Villas demise on his departure. He said he felt he left us in pretty good shape and disagreed with that view.
He's hardly like to say "yes I buggered up so I ran off and left someone to clear it up" to be fair.
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A sixth place teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Why does Leeds spring to mind?
We're we teetering on the brink of bankruptcy then?
No that'll be the £200M that's been written off that's filling that particluar hole.
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Was it written off or was a lot of it turned into equity?
Probably one of the reasons he can't sell the club.
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On the subject of finance, our latest accounts will be due out soon won't they? Always very interesting reading ;D
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On the subject of finance, our latest accounts will be due out soon won't they? Always very interesting reading ;D
Well if we aren't in profit this season we might as well give up because we have a wage bill lower than the Albions who are a complete tin pot outfit.
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On the subject of finance, our latest accounts will be due out soon won't they? Always very interesting reading ;D
Well if we aren't in profit this season we might as well give up because we have a wage bill lower than the Albions who are a complete tin pot outfit.
Ironically, after spending all this time trying, we will probably make our first profit under Lerner, only to be back to square one next season set to make a massive loss when our income drops by over 75%.
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Sherwood does seem to have mastered MON's talent for leaving a car crash behind and coming up smelling of roses.
Oh for a 6th place car crash
MON's huge wage bill also left us with the likes of Milner, Young, Downing and even Collins who were both more use on the pitch and more value for resale than TSM's Given and N'Zogbia.
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Was it written off or was a lot of it turned into equity?
Probably one of the reasons he can't sell the club.
Well technically turned into equity, but in practice, what he's put in - sales price = write off. So if you accept he's put in somewhere just north of £250M and he's going to struggle to see more than £100M back he'll be writing off around £150M.
The £200M is in round numbers what he's put in since he purchased to keep things afloat without relying on bank loans - which is where the likes of Leeds and Portsmouth got into trouble.
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I was always led to believe by someone who works for the BBC that Pat Murphy was a villa fan.
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I was always led to believe by someone who works for the BBC that Pat Murphy was a villa fan.
Isn't he a Chelsea fan? or did I dream that?
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When somebody who owns 100% of something converts a loan into equity, that's just a posh way of saying "write off". He can't own 150% of the club!
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When somebody who owns 100% of something converts a loan into equity, that's just a posh way of saying "write off". He can't own 150% of the club!
Not quite, he's releasing his claim on the loan and taking his chances on a future sale price.
The true cost of the write off will only be known when a sales price is agreed. In theory he could still make a profit. In practice there's more chance of us winning the CL next season.
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I was always led to believe by someone who works for the BBC that Pat Murphy was a villa fan.
Isn't he a Chelsea fan? or did I dream that?
He's Chelsea.
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When somebody who owns 100% of something converts a loan into equity, that's just a posh way of saying "write off". He can't own 150% of the club!
Only Doug could have come up with a way of owning 150% of Villa.
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I was always led to believe by someone who works for the BBC that Pat Murphy was a villa fan.
Isn't he a Chelsea fan? or did I dream that?
He's Chelsea.
I never knew that
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I was always led to believe by someone who works for the BBC that Pat Murphy was a villa fan.
Isn't he a Chelsea fan? or did I dream that?
He's Chelsea.
I never knew that
That's a shame I had grown to quite like him
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On the subject of TalkSport, I had the misfortune to listen to Jason Cundy last night (my lift had it on before anyone says its my own fault for listening).
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On the subject of TalkSport, I had the misfortune to listen to Jason Cundy last night (my lift had it on before anyone says its my own fault for listening).
Talksport was invented for morons like Cundy
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Talk sport now Rupert bell villa man coming up on hawksbee and Jacobs he was there last night and he'll be saying how it was
Tune in ☺
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South Warwick shire posse !
"Goal line tech I love it! "
"I woke up like a teenager in love from a good date the night before."
Agrees with remi Garde tough to escape relegation
Would look forward to Walsall and Birmingham derbies
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On the subject of TalkSport, I had the misfortune to listen to Jason Cundy last night (my lift had it on before anyone says its my own fault for listening).
Talksport was invented for morons like Cundy
Jason Cundy.
Not even his parents could spell his name properly apparently.
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On the subject of TalkSport, I had the misfortune to listen to Jason Cundy last night (my lift had it on before anyone says its my own fault for listening).
Talksport was invented for morons like Cundy
Jason Cundy.
Not even his parents could spell his name properly apparently.
The only thing going in his favour was he was about the only person in the media/punditocracy who thought Sherwood was a twat like most of us.
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On the subject of TalkSport, I had the misfortune to listen to Jason Cundy last night (my lift had it on before anyone says its my own fault for listening).
Talksport was invented for morons like Cundy
Jason Cundy.
Not even his parents could spell his name properly apparently.
The only thing going in his favour was he was about the only person in the media/punditocracy who thought Sherwood was a twat like most of us.
Even a stopped cock, sorry, clock tells the right time twice a day.
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Even a blind chicken will eventually find the grain
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Loads of grumbles I see about their analysis of our display tonight.
No heart. No desire. No spirit. Players from France are woeful. Can't believe fans are still supporting them.
I had it on for about 5 minutes and two villa fans who called to give a different view were sneered at and promptly cut off.
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Alvin Martin always has a bad word to say about us , put the radio on when we got back in the car from the game and we couldn't believe they were talking about us so negatively , turned the wankers off!
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Made WM sound like Villa cheerleaders.
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I listened to second half of commentary last Saturday on the way back from dropping daughter back to Nottingham Uni and Martin was praising the Villa fans for not turning on the players.
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Alvin Martin always has a bad word to say about us , put the radio on when we got back in the car from the game and we couldn't believe they were talking about us so negatively , turned the wankers off!
I thought the same and did the same.
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They were talking utter bollocks.
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Considering how little people seem to think of them and how angry it appears to make them, it's a little odd that they don't just choose a different radio station to listen to.
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Considering how little people seem to think of them and how angry it appears to make them, it's a little odd that they don't just choose a different radio station to listen to.
I suppose it is similar to how people regularly visit forums such as this and have to put up with sarcastic twats who contribute fuck all.
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Considering how little people seem to think of them and how angry it appears to make them, it's a little odd that they don't just choose a different radio station to listen to.
I suppose it is similar to how people regularly visit forums such as this and have to put up with sarcastic twats who contribute fuck all.
Will you be wanting to stay on here?
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Considering how little people seem to think of them and how angry it appears to make them, it's a little odd that they don't just choose a different radio station to listen to.
True, but it's a station that is basically all about football and it draws football fans in.
I don't listen to any of them anymore. I know how shit Villa are and I'm not gonna listen to some radio station like Talkshit and WM take the piss out of us.
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Considering how little people seem to think of them and how angry it appears to make them, it's a little odd that they don't just choose a different radio station to listen to.
I suppose it is similar to how people regularly visit forums such as this and have to put up with sarcastic twats who contribute fuck all.
Will you be wanting to stay on here?
Sorry if I appeared to be blunt. It was just a generalisation not pointed to anyone in particular. You know how it is on forums.
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Considering how little people seem to think of them and how angry it appears to make them, it's a little odd that they don't just choose a different radio station to listen to.
I suppose it is similar to how people regularly visit forums such as this and have to put up with sarcastic twats who contribute fuck all.
Must troy harder.
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Considering how little people seem to think of them and how angry it appears to make them, it's a little odd that they don't just choose a different radio station to listen to.
I suppose it is similar to how people regularly visit forums such as this and have to put up with sarcastic twats who contribute fuck all.
Impressive that you know who contributes what in the five days that you've been with us "Martin".
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I don't listen to any of them anymore. I know how shit Villa are and I'm not gonna listen to some radio station like Talkshit and WM take the piss out of us.
Exactly.
The last five years have been hideous.
Listening to the likes of talksport or motd talking about our shitness would make it significantly worse.
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Ban the bogan.
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Considering how little people seem to think of them and how angry it appears to make them, it's a little odd that they don't just choose a different radio station to listen to.
True, but it's a station that is basically all about football and it draws football fans in.
I don't listen to any of them anymore. I know how shit Villa are and I'm not gonna listen to some radio station like Talkshit and WM take the piss out of us.
I listen to Collymore but he never lets you get a word in. Hardly a chat show. I suppose Franksy is as bad.
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Ban the bogan.
Don't be a tell tale.
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Ban the bogan.
Don't be a tell tale.
I never really understood that in Primary school;
"Miss, Jimmy is stabbing Daniel in the face with a rusty spoon!"
"Don't tell tales"
We lost a lot of good kids to the teachers ometra.
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Considering how little people seem to think of them and how angry it appears to make them, it's a little odd that they don't just choose a different radio station to listen to.
True, but it's a station that is basically all about football and it draws football fans in.
I don't listen to any of them anymore. I know how shit Villa are and I'm not gonna listen to some radio station like Talkshit and WM take the piss out of us.
I listen to Collymore but he never lets you get a word in. Hardly a chat show. I suppose Franksy is as bad.
Yeah I quite like Collymore as he certainly saw through Lerner's bullshit ages ago. Call me Franksy is a first class Villa hating twat though.
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Ban the bogan.
Don't be a tell tale.
I never really understood that in Primary school;
"Miss, Jimmy is stabbing Daniel in the face with a rusty spoon!"
"Don't tell tales"
We lost a lot of good kids to the teachers ometra.
Leave it to the mods, Ads.
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But I sussed Troy first. Oh come on!
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Ban the bogan.
Don't be a tell tale.
I never really understood that in Primary school;
"Miss, Jimmy is stabbing Daniel in the face with a rusty spoon!"
"Don't tell tales"
We lost a lot of good kids to the teachers ometra.
Haha!
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Considering how little people seem to think of them and how angry it appears to make them, it's a little odd that they don't just choose a different radio station to listen to.
True, but it's a station that is basically all about football and it draws football fans in.
I don't listen to any of them anymore. I know how shit Villa are and I'm not gonna listen to some radio station like Talkshit and WM take the piss out of us.
I listen to Collymore but he never lets you get a word in. Hardly a chat show. I suppose Franksy is as bad.
Yeah I quite like Collymore as he certainly saw through Lerner's bullshit ages ago. Call me Franksy is a first class Villa hating twat though.
Yep, apparently Kozak 'made a meal' of being assaulted by Huth last night
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No heart. No desire. No spirit. Players from France are woeful. Can't believe fans are still supporting them.
Watching a different game from us in the 2nd half obviously, or they're just on the wind up.
Changing the subject did anyone listen yesterday morning? They had Brian Little and Martin Laursen on. Brian Little did not mention anything about joining the Villa board in any capacity unfortunately.
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No heart. No desire. No spirit. Players from France are woeful. Can't believe fans are still supporting them.
Watching a different game from us in the 2nd half obviously, or they're just on the wind up.
Changing the subject did anyone listen yesterday morning? They had Brian Little and Martin Laursen on. Brian Little did not mention anything about joining the Villa board in any capacity unfortunately.
Yeah it's gone quiet on the Little and King board appointment thing. I wonder if it was just made up?
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Considering how little people seem to think of them and how angry it appears to make them, it's a little odd that they don't just choose a different radio station to listen to.
True, but it's a station that is basically all about football and it draws football fans in.
I don't listen to any of them anymore. I know how shit Villa are and I'm not gonna listen to some radio station like Talkshit and WM take the piss out of us.
I listen to Collymore but he never lets you get a word in. Hardly a chat show. I suppose Franksy is as bad.
For those who have forgotten about Collymore's ' contribution' to the cause under Little & Gregory, I suggest you read this damning indictment from JG :
Gregory blasts departing Collymore ( 1999)
John Gregory has warned Stan Collymore his career will be over if he fails to earn a transfer to Fulham during a three-month loan at Craven Cottage which began yesterday.
The Aston Villa manager made it clear he would not play Collymore if he returns and ushered him off, not so much with a wave as a rocket.
"Collymore has got to succeed at Fulham because he has nowhere else to run," Gregory said. "This could be the last opportunity for him and I have told him that. I would not think there was a chance of my taking him back and letting him play for Villa again.
"I suppose in a way he cannot lose because if he falls flat on his face he can come back here knowing he still has 21 months left on his contract."
That contract is worth £20,000 a week and Gregory is desperate to offload the club's record signing, whose seven Premiership goals have cost £1m each since he joined from Liverpool two seasons ago. Of the seven goals he scored in all competitions last season, three came against the Norwegian part-timers Stromsgodset and two were against Hull City.
"He had plenty of opportunity here," Gregory said. "I'm the third or fourth manager he's had in the last four years and we've all ended up pulling our hair out. He returned for pre-season training with the promises I had heard before.
"There were promises made to my predecessor Brian Little, to the Villa board and to the supporters. But they never materialised. If this move to Fulham doesn't happen I suppose he will have to come back here but, as far as I'm concerned, his career will be finished... As a manager you can only do so much for a player; you cannot wet-nurse him"
Full article at http://www.theguardian.com/football/1999/jul/20/newsstory.sport..............Godzvilla!
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No heart. No desire. No spirit. Players from France are woeful. Can't believe fans are still supporting them.
Watching a different game from us in the 2nd half obviously, or they're just on the wind up.
Changing the subject did anyone listen yesterday morning? They had Brian Little and Martin Laursen on. Brian Little did not mention anything about joining the Villa board in any capacity unfortunately.
Yeah it's gone quiet on the Little and King board appointment thing. I wonder if it was just made up?
From asking around, it seems to have started because Little was seen talking to Fox at Wycombe and King had been tipped as chairman.
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Considering how little people seem to think of them and how angry it appears to make them, it's a little odd that they don't just choose a different radio station to listen to.
True, but it's a station that is basically all about football and it draws football fans in.
I don't listen to any of them anymore. I know how shit Villa are and I'm not gonna listen to some radio station like Talkshit and WM take the piss out of us.
I listen to Collymore but he never lets you get a word in. Hardly a chat show. I suppose Franksy is as bad.
For those who have forgotten about Collymore's ' contribution' to the cause under Little & Gregory, I suggest you read this damning indictment from JG :
Gregory blasts departing Collymore ( 1999)
John Gregory has warned Stan Collymore his career will be over if he fails to earn a transfer to Fulham during a three-month loan at Craven Cottage which began yesterday.
The Aston Villa manager made it clear he would not play Collymore if he returns and ushered him off, not so much with a wave as a rocket.
"Collymore has got to succeed at Fulham because he has nowhere else to run," Gregory said. "This could be the last opportunity for him and I have told him that. I would not think there was a chance of my taking him back and letting him play for Villa again.
"I suppose in a way he cannot lose because if he falls flat on his face he can come back here knowing he still has 21 months left on his contract."
That contract is worth £20,000 a week and Gregory is desperate to offload the club's record signing, whose seven Premiership goals have cost £1m each since he joined from Liverpool two seasons ago. Of the seven goals he scored in all competitions last season, three came against the Norwegian part-timers Stromsgodset and two were against Hull City.
"He had plenty of opportunity here," Gregory said. "I'm the third or fourth manager he's had in the last four years and we've all ended up pulling our hair out. He returned for pre-season training with the promises I had heard before.
"There were promises made to my predecessor Brian Little, to the Villa board and to the supporters. But they never materialised. If this move to Fulham doesn't happen I suppose he will have to come back here but, as far as I'm concerned, his career will be finished... As a manager you can only do so much for a player; you cannot wet-nurse him"
Full article at http://www.theguardian.com/football/1999/jul/20/newsstory.sport..............Godzvilla!
Collymore was suffering from depression during that period, and from what I've read even Gregory regrets the attitude he had towards Collymore at that time, so what you've dug up and posted just isn't relevant.
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I remember it very well. Something along the lines of "Depression!? He is on 20 grand a week... etc..etc"