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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on January 09, 2016, 04:31:16 PM
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I said a few weeks back I was wondering when it was all going to kick off in a game given we're going down, the home games have been pretty muted given the results.
Looks like it's turning big time now....mass booing as soon as Wycombe got back to 1-1, Garde getting big stick and just seen the Richards "conversation" with fans (how did they get there, thought it was just behind the goal).
Looks like it will kick off at VP in a few games time then, just wonder how bad things will get.
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Could see a few running on and throwing season tickets/scarves tbh.
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It will be a shit crowd Tuesday, but because of that it will be mainly our hardcore support so will be interesting to see how the crowd reacts if it goes tits up.
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I'm expecting a very poisonous atmosphere on Tuesday night when we go 3-0 behind in the 52nd minute.
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If we saw players giving their all no one would be giving them any grief.
It's one thing not being good enough, it's totally another not to give the required effort.
Bacuna walking around smiling after we concede a penalty. Gestede barely moving all game. Ayew did more work in a few minutes than that useless hatstand managed in the entire 90+ minutes.
They're not exactly dying for the cause, in fact, they're just leeching a living without even trying and while it continues, they deserve everything they get.
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Getting tips from the Albion's lot in how to rip up seats at VP and chuck them at the collective solar plexuses of Westwood, Bacuna et al.
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Five years of anger and frustration is going to erupt sooner or later if the team continues to perform so poorly.
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Its not going to get any better on Tuesday with a well organized, spirited Palace team.
I think its the only satisfaction many will find - booing and letting their upset be known.
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Agreed, it will be a nasty atmosphere for the pampered millionaires to be in
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I think we may find Bacuna lying under the crossbar with his eyes shut pretending it isn't happening at some point this season.
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Other than writing to a guy like Fox, who will ignore letter, how else can the fans show their contempt for the way the club is being run? Keep your white hankies and your bed sheets, the TV company won't bother showing them. Throwing scarves on the pitch, standing with your back to the game and booing like crazy seems the only way to go. I'm pissed off with people taking the piss out of me for being a Villa fan. The players don't give a shit and some of them should take the shit too. Money grabbing fuckers, they make me sick.
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Anyone seen the video of the bald guy in front of the coach calling them all Wankers and telling them to fuck off. I know we're shit but bit too far in my opinion
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If they can't be bothered about the club the shirt the fans etc
Surely you perform or give your all for your own personal pride
But they just dont
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Anyone seen the video of the bald guy in front of the coach calling them all Wankers and telling them to fuck off. I know we're shit but bit too far in my opinion
Is that the guy that was giving the players marks out of ten?
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It wasn't a wanker sign it meant he was giving them zero outa ten
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Anyone seen the video of the bald guy in front of the coach calling them all Wankers and telling them to fuck off. I know we're shit but bit too far in my opinion
Link?
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Anyone seen the video of the bald guy in front of the coach calling them all Wankers and telling them to fuck off. I know we're shit but bit too far in my opinion
Is that the guy that was giving the players marks out of ten?
Notice Bacuna smiling at him? He's upset, and rightly or wrongly, the contempt some of those players have for the fans is astonishing. Just keep your head down and get on a bus, not too much too ask?
Mind you, Bacuna did a lot of smiling today.
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Bacuna is the biggest cnut out there
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Anyone seen the video of the bald guy in front of the coach calling them all Wankers and telling them to fuck off. I know we're shit but bit too far in my opinion
Link?
https://twitter.com/oldmansaid/status/685864223004581889
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Jeesus!
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Anyone seen the video of the bald guy in front of the coach calling them all Wankers and telling them to fuck off. I know we're shit but bit too far in my opinion
Link?
https://twitter.com/oldmansaid/status/685864223004581889
That guy wants putting in a police van. No need.
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Anyone seen the video of the bald guy in front of the coach calling them all Wankers and telling them to fuck off. I know we're shit but bit too far in my opinion
Link?
https://twitter.com/oldmansaid/status/685864223004581889
That guy wants putting in a police van. No need.
I don't like Bacuna either, but a tad harsh that!
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I think we may find Bacuna lying under the crossbar with his eyes shut pretending it isn't happening at some point this season.
Would improve his defending somewhat
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I'd like to think all this will be a kick up the backside for the players but somehow i don't think it will make any difference.
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Anyone seen the video of the bald guy in front of the coach calling them all Wankers and telling them to fuck off. I know we're shit but bit too far in my opinion
Link?
https://twitter.com/oldmansaid/status/685864223004581889
That guy wants putting in a police van. No need.
I don't like Bacuna either, but a tad harsh that!
And yet if it's 40,000 people in a crowd doing it to Bacuna, or equally calling a referee a wanker, it's probably acceptable.
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I'm pissed off with people taking the piss out of me for being a Villa fan.
I live in Birmingham. We're shit and going down, but there's no team around here than can take the piss out of us. Brummie reds and Brummie scousers are not even on my radar - they have lost their souls.
Take it on the chin, for fucks sake.
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It will just be another excuse for the players, now they've been abused and are demotivated or scared or some shit. Every excuse in the book has been rolled out for them. They could not outplay a team one step up from part time football, no excuse, pathetic.
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Anyone seen the video of the bald guy in front of the coach calling them all Wankers and telling them to fuck off. I know we're shit but bit too far in my opinion
Yes, he made himself look and sound a complete twat.
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I said a few weeks back I was wondering when it was all going to kick off in a game given we're going down, the home games have been pretty muted given the results.
Looks like it's turning big time now....mass booing as soon as Wycombe got back to 1-1, Garde getting big stick and just seen the Richards "conversation" with fans (how did they get there, thought it was just behind the goal).
Looks like it will kick off at VP in a few games time then, just wonder how bad things will get.
It started at Sunderland and has carried on today I believe with the same chants at the team, Garde and Lerner.
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Anyone seen the video of the bald guy in front of the coach calling them all Wankers and telling them to fuck off. I know we're shit but bit too far in my opinion
Link?
https://twitter.com/oldmansaid/status/685864223004581889
That guy wants putting in a police van. No need.
I don't like Bacuna either, but a tad harsh that!
And yet if it's 40,000 people in a crowd doing it to Bacuna, or equally calling a referee a wanker, it's probably acceptable.
Nah , the abuse in that clip is simply too much .
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They need that bloke to give them their half time talk.. stop pussy footing around with the overpaid buggers.
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It's twats like that, that will start all the argy bargy around the Holte End on Tuesday.
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Anyone seen the video of the bald guy in front of the coach calling them all Wankers and telling them to fuck off. I know we're shit but bit too far in my opinion
Link?
https://twitter.com/oldmansaid/status/685864223004581889
That guy wants putting in a police van. No need.
I don't like Bacuna either, but a tad harsh that!
And yet if it's 40,000 people in a crowd doing it to Bacuna, or equally calling a referee a wanker, it's probably acceptable.
Nah , the abuse in that clip is simply too much .
He's saying nothing that isn't said by hundreds at the back of the Holte every week - me included - we aren't filmed doing it though
My opinion is that it doesn't matter what we (the fans) do or don't do abuse/support-wise the end is past being nigh
We have been incredibly patient and supportive while we watched disaster after embaressing disaster - it was only the threat of being labelled "fickle" or similar that seemed to keep us quiet - that and our natural Brummie reserve
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I reckon we will be in for an open letterfest if things continue
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Just think for a minute of how big potentially is the Villa.
The fans realise it but certain people at the club certainly don't and the players are totally unaware.
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Who do we direct our anger at?
Lerner? - He wants out anyway.
Fox? - He's job is to see the business runs ok which it is.
Reilly? - The new signings are not all that bad
Garde? - He's mopping up someone else's shit
The players? - Maybe
This is a perfect shitstorm I'm afraid made worse by not having a stand alone scapegoat.
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Who do we direct our anger at?
Lerner? - He wants out anyway.
Fox? - He's job is to see the business runs ok which it is.
Reilly? - The new signings are not all that bad
Garde? - He's mopping up someone else's shit
The players? - Maybe
This is a perfect shitstorm I'm afraid made worse by not having a stand alone scapegoat.
If in doubt I always blame Thatcher
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That video is toe curlingly embarrassing for the fans. I have to assume there were no police left otherwise how was he allowed to continue.
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What annoys me is that Lerner is not getting any of this.
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Villa fans have been incredibly patient over the years, turning up in great numbers watching the club decline. The bloke is allowed to to give them a rollicking in my opinion. A lack of effort and a disregard for the club we hold so dear is the real embarrasment. I'm glad they got to see what it means to people.
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As least it was not a far a journey as last week....
Frustrating and poor again especially the second half but some of the fans behaviour was not great either. Some booing the players off the bus before the game, booing them at throw-ins etc, the behaviour as they got on the bus, I was ashamed of some of them, drink had been taken but all the press where waiting and baiting for it after the game and of course some play into it. By all means don't clap them on after that display or maybe boo if it takes your fancy but the intimidation and language was appalling .....
I hope Garde sticks it out, the lack of quality is not his fault, everything is negative at the minute he needs to have the time to turn it around.
I think he seems a good guy who will get it right. The players are mentally shot and look petrified to make any mistake or take any risk.
The worry for me now is the lack of leadership above Remi, he again like managers in the past is being lynched and all the pressure is on him. It needs the directors to step in to take the flack and give him some breathing space.
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That video is toe curlingly embarrassing for the fans. I have to assume there were no police left otherwise how was he allowed to continue.
Because the nice approach has got us an amazing 1 victory this season.
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Everything that bloke in the video said has been said thousands of times on match threads on here.
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To me, despite not having a single win to his name so far, this is absolutely not the fault of Remi Garde.
Someone else made the point earlier that the focus of any protest shouldn't be "Lerner Out", but more like "Is this the Bright Future?" or "Who's Qualified to Run The Villa?" I find myself in agreement with this sentiment.
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Just think for a minute of how big potentially is the Villa.
The fans realise it but certain people at the club certainly don't and the players are totally unaware.
But the players aren't good enough. That's not their fault.
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That video is toe curlingly embarrassing for the fans. I have to assume there were no police left otherwise how was he allowed to continue.
Because the nice approach has got us an amazing 1 victory this season.
Yeah, the problem is not enough people calling the players twats. I hear it's what makes Bayern Munich such a successful team.
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I think it's fair to criticise the players for a lack of effort.
You can't criticise a player for not being good enough; for that you can criticise the manager for continually picking them. Whether Garde has better players to choose from is debatable.
Of the summer signings whether these are good enough or not rests with Reilly and co and Sherwood to an extent. Of the signings no doubt Lescott, Richards and Gestedr were Sherwood signings and have been the most underwhelming.
Amavi (though we saw little of him) Veretout, Ayew, and to a lesser extent Gueye have been decent performers. Maybe not top 6 but certainly not bottom 3.
I still think the structure in place now in terms of recruitment is what was required post O'Neill as we saw the ramifications of what happens when one man runs the club and then ups and leaves. Just 3/4 years to late.
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That video is toe curlingly embarrassing for the fans. I have to assume there were no police left otherwise how was he allowed to continue.
Because the nice approach has got us an amazing 1 victory this season.
Yeah, the problem is not enough people calling the players twats. I hear it's what makes Bayern Munich such a successful team.
Exactly
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If it's going to turn ugly, then Sandwell could well be the place that the collective patience expires and explodes.
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If we lose Tuesday then Leicester could be the one if we go behind. Late KO so more time for drinking first and live on TV.
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I would say Leicester aswell.
In my experience half 5 kick offs don't exactly bring out a nice crowd so can certainly see things getting heated.
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How do you get videos to play on Twitter? I just get the pic.
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I'd like to think all this will be a kick up the backside for the players but somehow i don't think it will make any difference.
nah. It will have the reverse affect IMO. the relationship between fans and owner/management/players has become extremely toxic. Expect some strolling players on tuesday jumping out of tackles
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Just think for a minute of how big potentially is the Villa.
The fans realise it but certain people at the club certainly don't and the players are totally unaware.
Not trying is their fault. What is the stat - theyve ran less than any other prem team?
But the players aren't good enough. That's not their fault.
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If we lose Tuesday then Leicester could be the one if we go behind. Late KO so more time for drinking first and live on TV.
Good call. Pretty much a perfect storm.
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Everything that bloke in the video said has been said thousands of times on match threads on here.
Cuts off just after he spotted Garde. Wonder what he said to him.
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None of these videos are good. And for Richards to say "We're trying" is laughable.
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Does anyone think a mass boycott of the Wycombe replay might get the message across to the owner, players and idiots running the club ?
A shocking crowd will at least hit them in the pocket. Plus it's better than being there booing the team !
I'm torn on it. After not seeing us win at home since September, it would be great to actually see us win for a change (which I think we will) but I'm getting sick to death of handing money over to them.
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Does anyone think a mass boycott of the Wycombe replay might get the message across to the owner, players and idiots running the club ?
A shocking crowd will at least hit them in the pocket. Plus it's better than being there booing the team !
I'm torn on it. After not seeing us win at home since September, it would be great to actually see us win for a change (which I think we will) but I'm getting sick to death of handing money over to them.
At what point does a low crowd become a boycott? If you've got 20,000 there that's about 15,000 boycotting anyway.
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We don't feel like a club, everyone and that includes the fans are all pulling in different directions
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Does anyone think a mass boycott of the Wycombe replay might get the message across to the owner, players and idiots running the club ?
A shocking crowd will at least hit them in the pocket. Plus it's better than being there booing the team !
I'm torn on it. After not seeing us win at home since September, it would be great to actually see us win for a change (which I think we will) but I'm getting sick to death of handing money over to them.
Even without a boycott, unless we win the next couple it will be under 20K i'd imagine especially as it will be a 3rd home game in a row. So at cheap ticket prices and allowing for those that will go regardless it won't cost the club much.
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Everything that bloke in the video said has been said thousands of times on match threads on here.
Cuts off just after he spotted Garde. Wonder what he said to him.
There's a longer version on Facebook. "Remi sort it you Wan..." before going in on Richards. A cop eventually tells him to mind is language.
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Booing of the team today was no good as I really don't know what that achieves. By all means fans should show their displeasure at the incompetence that has been influencing our demise but players are not to blame if they are not good enough. They need our support at all times otherwise we will have a very difficult and toxic few moths to the end of the season and that will totally destroy the team.
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https://m.facebook.com/groups/2216399463?view=permalink&id=10153843880489464&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FAukhWRhWqq&refid=9&_rdr#_=_
Longer video here. Towards the end you can hear other Villa fans having a go at the idiots for the language.
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That video is toe curlingly embarrassing for the fans. I have to assume there were no police left otherwise how was he allowed to continue.
Because the nice approach has got us an amazing 1 victory this season.
What we need are players that care so much they ring their team mates necks literally during the game.
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What we need are players that care so much they ring their team mates necks literally during the game.
Rich bastards, even their necks have their own phone numbers!!!
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Time for an Ubu.
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https://m.facebook.com/groups/2216399463?view=permalink&id=10153843880489464&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FAukhWRhWqq&refid=9&_rdr#_=_
Longer video here. Towards the end you can hear other Villa fans having a go at the idiots for the language.
To be fair, it does seem like it is only really that pair acting like that.
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What annoys me is that Lerner is not getting any of this.
You mean the invisible man? - a complete coward.
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I know it's probably not the sensible option,
but when a player(Richards) has interaction with supporters after an abject display I always think the better of him for at least not just running away and hiding
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Why be embarrassed? he is a fan letting off steam if he got physical then it would be a problem, just shouting nasty words is hardly going over the top I was doing that in my living room.
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Longer video here. Towards the end you can hear other Villa fans having a go at the idiots for the language.
It's very sad and totally embarrassing but good to see others having a go at him.
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Why be embarrassed? he is a fan letting off steam if he got physical then it would be a problem, just shouting nasty words is hardly going over the top I was doing that in my living room.
You really can't see a difference between shouting at the TV in your living room and being in public screaming obscenities repeatedly at full volume with kids around?
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It's twats like that, that will start all the argy bargy around the Holte End on Tuesday.
Do you honestly think any argy bargy will happen, regardless of the result on Tuesday?
I don't, cos we've been too apathetic for the last 5 feckin years.
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Longer video here. Towards the end you can hear other Villa fans having a go at the idiots for the language.
It's very sad and totally embarrassing but good to see others having a go at him.
It's wrong but to be honest I'm surprised its taken this long for this sort of thing to happen. People are pissed off and are looking for targets.
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I know it's probably not the sensible option,
but when a player(Richards) has interaction with supporters after an abject display I always think the better of him for at least not just running away and hiding
Me too.
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I thought that too. I like micah, but get the feeling the squad don't. He's our best player.
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I thought that too. I like micah, but get the feeling the squad don't. He's our best player.
If he's our best player then that sums up why we're bottom of the league. He's rubbish and a headless chicken.
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I thought that too. I like micah, but get the feeling the squad don't. He's our best player.
If he's our best player then that sums up why we're bottom of the league. He's rubbish and a headless chicken.
Maybe I'm on my own there in thinking that. I thought he was good today, and started the season brilliantly. I think it's got to him how poor players are around him to be honest. He looks like a headless chicken as he doesn't trust the poor players to do their own jobs properly so charges about trying to put out fires. Let's face it, he's had Hutton, bacuna, Westwood etc around him. Three players who should think themselves extremely lucky Villa employ them.
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I thought that too. I like micah, but get the feeling the squad don't. He's our best player.
If he's our best player then that sums up why we're bottom of the league. He's rubbish and a headless chicken.
Maybe I'm on my own there in thinking that. I thought he was good today, and started the season brilliantly. I think it's got to him how poor players are around him to be honest. He looks like a headless chicken as he doesn't trust the poor players to do their own jobs properly so charges about trying to put out fires. Let's face it, he's had Hutton, bacuna, Westwood etc around him. Three players who should think themselves extremely lucky Villa employ them.
Yet, when he was out of the side those very same players looked (admittedly, marginally) more composed and competent.
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Richards played the game like he was sulking having been told to play right back. Apart from scoring he was very, very ordinary. How the he'll he made the England team I do not know, based on the tripe he's served up for Villa. Fair play for not ducking out of talking to the fans but boy, they deserve the criticism.
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I predicted this many months ago to my villa colleagues at work,that it will turn ugly, remember the night when Mcleish got Horrendous abuse, and after six years of patience I am pretty sure based on what we have witnessed on the video there will be more to come for the present incompetents who are brave enough to turn up for the next home games sitting in there privileged seats. We have seen a video of a nasty verbal protest by one fan, he was taking his anger and frustration out on certain players and manager, to a degree I don't blame the players, most players in the lower leagues would sign for us to better themselves financially, if we had appointed a dedicated Tony barton type, to spot good quality players, i.e. Dennis Mortimer, Des bremmer, Peter withe, Tony morleys, etc, not the westwoods,Tonevs, Gestedes etc etc etc etc etc , then a manager to harness the players to compliment each other, instead of haphazard weak non effecting football that we are witnessing, I could go on, but ultimately the buck stops with the non attending owner, when he finally sells us and he has disappears over the horizon clutching his cheque, and probably never dare showing his face around villa park ever again, even in his very expensive rebuilt holte pub which only those who are presumably in the Masons are allowed in, leaving an almighty mess, the fan in the video will be a reminder of what the club is about, PASSION for the club he loves and all of us on here LOVE. up the VILLA, we will be back.
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What games were those, Dave? Not trying to be arsey, just can only think of the Norwich game that he didn't play in, which doesn't prove your point.
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What games were those, Dave? Not trying to be arsey, just can only think of the Norwich game that he didn't play in, which doesn't prove your point.
Didn't think you were being arsey at all.
Newcastle and West Ham mainly. We still weren't amazing, but there was certainly nothing to compare to that third Sunderland goal on display in either of them.
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we will be back.
I remember another club saying that
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What games were those, Dave? Not trying to be arsey, just can only think of the Norwich game that he didn't play in, which doesn't prove your point.
Didn't think you were being arsey at all.
Newcastle and West Ham mainly. We still weren't amazing, but there was certainly nothing to compare to that third Sunderland goal on display in either of them.
The West Ham game was probably the most composed 90 minutes in 4 seasons (we still didn't win of course)
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Crikey was at the west ham game too, shows how my memory is getting. He was poor in the Sunderland game. I stand by the fire fighting thing though. He is a great athlete, and is one of very few players who can play at this level in our squad. I think he's going through the motions a bit now. I think he's our best player, but he's thrown the towel in
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I don't agree that the players don't care and in it just for themselves. Plus, I don't see why we'd criticise the players unless they are Hodge-like in their wankerness. they are just either not good enough or they are playing with a huge lack of confidence that they are inhibited on the pitch. They fear making mistakes and any flicks or tricks rarely come off. Why have a go at them? Of course they care, for themselves as professionals if nothing else.
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Crikey was at the west ham game too, shows how my memory is getting. He was poor in the Sunderland game. I stand by the fire fighting thing though. He is a great athlete, and is one of very few players who can play at this level in our squad. I think he's going through the motions a bit now. I think he's our best player, but he's thrown the towel in
Easy to forget any positives mate! I was counting off the missed chances to a mate at that game - it could have been 6-2 to us if they could actually get a ball in the net - Gestede had 3 gilt-edged chances (2 with his deadly head) if I remember - there was also the Westwood "blaze over the bar" which he did again today
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I knew it reminded me of something!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=93D2Pt3a2mc
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Crikey was at the west ham game too, shows how my memory is getting. He was poor in the Sunderland game. I stand by the fire fighting thing though. He is a great athlete, and is one of very few players who can play at this level in our squad. I think he's going through the motions a bit now. I think he's our best player, but he's thrown the towel in
Easy to forget any positives mate! I was counting off the missed chances to a mate at that game - it could have been 6-2 to us if they could actually get a ball in the net - Gestede had 3 gilt-edged chances (2 with his deadly head) if I remember - there was also the Westwood "blaze over the bar" which he did again today
Ain't that the truth! I wouldn't say they were hugely better in the newcastle game, in fact they had some really good chances which they blew and we scraped a draw despite having a spell in the second half for about 20 mins. The West Ham game we played well in patches, but I'd never say we looked composed at the back.
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we will be back.
I remember another club saying that
Oh dear I was hoping we wouldn't hear those words here.
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It's twats like that, that will start all the argy bargy around the Holte End on Tuesday.
Do you honestly think any argy bargy will happen, regardless of the result on Tuesday?
I don't, cos we've been too apathetic for the last 5 feckin years.
Yes. The argy bargy, though, usually means Villa fans fighting among themselves.
A particular flash point, for reasons I have never been able to fathom, is under the flyover at Aston Hall Road after the game. Quite often a ruck there followed by the VTID chant.
One theory is that these fellows have been arguing for a while and then their voices get louder with the echo and they get carried away.
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As least it was not a far a journey as last week....
Frustrating and poor again especially the second half but some of the fans behaviour was not great either. Some booing the players off the bus before the game, booing them at throw-ins etc, the behaviour as they got on the bus, I was ashamed of some of them, drink had been taken but all the press where waiting and baiting for it after the game and of course some play into it. By all means don't clap them on after that display or maybe boo if it takes your fancy but the intimidation and language was appalling .....
I hope Garde sticks it out, the lack of quality is not his fault, everything is negative at the minute he needs to have the time to turn it around.
I think he seems a good guy who will get it right. The players are mentally shot and look petrified to make any mistake or take any risk.
The worry for me now is the lack of leadership above Remi, he again like managers in the past is being lynched and all the pressure is on him. It needs the directors to step in to take the flack and give him some breathing space.
Nah he's gone for me, Any Manager that keeps playing Gestede deserves the sack and should never get a managers job at any other club. It's as clear as day the players aren't passing to him as they like us have realised he is rubbish but yet he plays him and today when it's obvious Gestede needs to be taken off he takes off Gil who is the only player that we have that can create something. Gestede is by far and away the worst Footballer I have ever seen.
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As least it was not a far a journey as last week....
Frustrating and poor again especially the second half but some of the fans behaviour was not great either. Some booing the players off the bus before the game, booing them at throw-ins etc, the behaviour as they got on the bus, I was ashamed of some of them, drink had been taken but all the press where waiting and baiting for it after the game and of course some play into it. By all means don't clap them on after that display or maybe boo if it takes your fancy but the intimidation and language was appalling .....
I hope Garde sticks it out, the lack of quality is not his fault, everything is negative at the minute he needs to have the time to turn it around.
I think he seems a good guy who will get it right. The players are mentally shot and look petrified to make any mistake or take any risk.
The worry for me now is the lack of leadership above Remi, he again like managers in the past is being lynched and all the pressure is on him. It needs the directors to step in to take the flack and give him some breathing space.
Nah he's gone for me, Any Manager that keeps playing Gestede deserves the sack and should never get a managers job at any other club. It's as clear as day the players aren't passing to him as they like us have realised he is rubbish but yet he plays him and today when it's obvious Gestede needs to be taken off he takes off Gil who is the only player that we have that can create something. Gestede is by far and away the worst Footballer I have ever seen.
Who in place of Gestede though? Kozak? Who's had 10 minutes or so of first-team football in 2 years or so? I think Kozak probably would have come on today to help with his rehabilitation but Richards' injury changed the final substitution. Plus, it maybe that he's going to be on the bench for Tuesday and today was to try and give him more confidence.
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I predicted this many months ago to my villa colleagues at work,that it will turn ugly, remember the night when Mcleish got Horrendous abuse, and after six years of patience I am pretty sure based on what we have witnessed on the video there will be more to come for the present incompetents who are brave enough to turn up for the next home games sitting in there privileged seats. We have seen a video of a nasty verbal protest by one fan, he was taking his anger and frustration out on certain players and manager, to a degree I don't blame the players, most players in the lower leagues would sign for us to better themselves financially, if we had appointed a dedicated Tony barton type, to spot good quality players, i.e. Dennis Mortimer, Des bremmer, Peter withe, Tony morleys, etc, not the westwoods,Tonevs, Gestedes etc etc etc etc etc , then a manager to harness the players to compliment each other, instead of haphazard weak non effecting football that we are witnessing, I could go on, but ultimately the buck stops with the non attending owner, when he finally sells us and he has disappears over the horizon clutching his cheque, and probably never dare showing his face around villa park ever again, even in his very expensive rebuilt holte pub which only those who are presumably in the Masons are allowed in, leaving an almighty mess, the fan in the video will be a reminder of what the club is about, PASSION for the club he loves and all of us on here LOVE. up the VILLA, we will be back.
Holte Pub is for Season Ticket Holders Only. But trust me you aren't missing much the service is as slower than Gestede and Lescott
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As least it was not a far a journey as last week....
Frustrating and poor again especially the second half but some of the fans behaviour was not great either. Some booing the players off the bus before the game, booing them at throw-ins etc, the behaviour as they got on the bus, I was ashamed of some of them, drink had been taken but all the press where waiting and baiting for it after the game and of course some play into it. By all means don't clap them on after that display or maybe boo if it takes your fancy but the intimidation and language was appalling .....
I hope Garde sticks it out, the lack of quality is not his fault, everything is negative at the minute he needs to have the time to turn it around.
I think he seems a good guy who will get it right. The players are mentally shot and look petrified to make any mistake or take any risk.
The worry for me now is the lack of leadership above Remi, he again like managers in the past is being lynched and all the pressure is on him. It needs the directors to step in to take the flack and give him some breathing space.
Nah he's gone for me, Any Manager that keeps playing Gestede deserves the sack and should never get a managers job at any other club. It's as clear as day the players aren't passing to him as they like us have realised he is rubbish but yet he plays him and today when it's obvious Gestede needs to be taken off he takes off Gil who is the only player that we have that can create something. Gestede is by far and away the worst Footballer I have ever seen.
Who in place of Gestede though? Kozak? Who's had 10 minutes or so of first-team football in 2 years or so? I think Kozak probably would have come on today to help with his rehabilitation but Richards' injury changed the final substitution. Plus, it maybe that he's going to be on the bench for Tuesday and today was to try and give him more confidence.
Kozak or Ayew as with Gestede we are playing with 10 men.
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Kozak has been out and would be unlikely to last the game, plus he'd then not be able to feature against Palace. the game that Ayew was rested for. If we're going to use gestede today rather than tuesday is the game you play him.
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Kozak has been out and would be unlikely to last the game, plus he'd then not be able to feature against Palace. the game that Ayew was rested for. If we're going to use gestede today rather than tuesday is the game you play him.
lmao you really think Garde won't pick Gestede on Tuesday don't you, guess what he will and Kozak will be on the bench at best.
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Not sure what he'll do. Ayew will start but we are a small team and need height. I'm not sure kozak is ready but seeing as Gestede played the full game today i wouldn't be surprised to see Kozak start.
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Not sure what he'll do. Ayew will start but we are a small team and need height. I'm not sure kozak is ready but seeing as Gestede played the full game today i wouldn't be surprised to see Kozak start.
Garde thinks Gestede is awesome. He keeps picking him to start and ignoring Kozak who's been scoring consistently in the Reserves. Garde is Clueless, he was a gamble and like every other gamble the board of ours has made it's failed
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Not sure what he'll do. Ayew will start but we are a small team and need height. I'm not sure kozak is ready but seeing as Gestede played the full game today i wouldn't be surprised to see Kozak start.
Garde thinks Gestede is awesome. He keeps picking him to start and ignoring Kozak who's been scoring consistently in the Reserves. Garde is Clueless, he was a gamble and like every other gamble the board of ours has made it's failed
Kozak hasn't been scoring regularly in the reserves and reports from those who have been going have reported that he has not looked good at all. Also, I'm not sure what other options garde has. Ayew isn't an out and out centre forward so who else is there?
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I'm pissed off with people taking the piss out of me for being a Villa fan.
I live in Birmingham. We're shit and going down, but there's no team around here than can take the piss out of us. Brummie reds and Brummie scousers are not even on my radar - they have lost their souls.
Take it on the chin, for fucks sake.
This.
We are not the first club to be utterly shite and we won't be the last. Laugh in the face of adversity and remember you are a fan of the famous Aston Villa.
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I'd be tempted to start RHP on Tuesday, sod it, we've got nothing to lose and Kojak is never going to start and Gestede is basic enough as it is without starting him when he's low on confidence.
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Not sure what he'll do. Ayew will start but we are a small team and need height. I'm not sure kozak is ready but seeing as Gestede played the full game today i wouldn't be surprised to see Kozak start.
Garde thinks Gestede is awesome. He keeps picking him to start and ignoring Kozak who's been scoring consistently in the Reserves. Garde is Clueless, he was a gamble and like every other gamble the board of ours has made it's failed
Kozak hasn't been scoring regularly in the reserves and reports from those who have been going have reported that he has not looked good at all. Also, I'm not sure what other options garde has. Ayew isn't an out and out centre forward so who else is there?
Gestede isn't an out and out Footballer so I'd prefer the none out and out striker Ayew than Gestede any day, also Kozak may not be scoring regularly in the reserves but he's scoring more regularly then Gestede and I fail to believe anyone can look worse then Gestede.
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It just shows how much we desperately need a couple of forwards though.
We lack so much pace in our side too, that even when under pressure we take an age to get out.
Without buying well between now and August, next season will be excruciating.
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I know it's probably not the sensible option,
but when a player(Richards) has interaction with supporters after an abject display I always think the better of him for at least not just running away and hiding
Agreed. Thus far this season I have thought Richards is a precious, useless twat. Today, sat near the dugout, I actually gave him respect for talking to the fans who were having a go at all and sundry on the bench. All I heard was his assurance that the players were giving their all.
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I know it's probably not the sensible option,
but when a player(Richards) has interaction with supporters after an abject display I always think the better of him for at least not just running away and hiding
Agreed. Thus far this season I have thought Richards is a precious, useless twat. Today, sat near the dugout, I actually gave him respect for talking to the fans who were having a go at all and sundry on the bench. All I heard was his assurance that the players were giving their all.
Not sure. What good can it actually do? Are those fans going to walk away and think "fair enough"? If you're at the point where you think shouting at players is helping you or the team, then you'll still be shouting that they are shit the very next time there is a poor performance or series of mistakes. I'd have preferred him to just acknowledge them and walk away.
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That video is toe curlingly embarrassing for the fans. I have to assume there were no police left otherwise how was he allowed to continue.
Because the nice approach has got us an amazing 1 victory this season.
Yeah, the problem is not enough people calling the players twats. I hear it's what makes Bayern Munich such a successful team.
Having top class players who have a vague notion of what they are doing, knowing their own roles and having a fucking clue what the game is about makes them successful. The peripheral stuff from the terraces is just that, peripheral.
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Stated a while back in the AGM Protest topic, that although there is no main target to demonstrate against, i.e. missing Randy, that the outpouring a demonstration may give, would maybe and I only say maybe stop what happened yesterday. Next thing which as far as I am concerned is a dam sight worse than giving any over paid player stick will be fighting between ourselves, you can see it coming.
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Stated a while back in the AGM Protest topic, that although there is no main target to demonstrate against, i.e. missing Randy, that the outpouring a demonstration may give, would maybe and I only say maybe stop what happened yesterday. Next thing which as far as I am concerned is a dam sight worse than giving any over paid player stick will be fighting between ourselves, you can see it coming.
Agreed. Any demonstration doesn't need to have definable goals. A lot of fans feel frustrated at watching their club fall apart. A well organised and peaceful protest won't suddenly make us win games, or get rid of Randy Lerner, but it might be an opportunity for fans to unite, get their grievances off their chests and at least feel like they're doing something, however ineffective it might be. The alternative will be more ugly scenes like yesterday, as individual fans take it upon themselves to act.
Already we've got Villa fans sneering at other fans for trying to do something as their club goes from bad to worse. It will be very sad to see fans turn on each other as this disintegration of Villa continues, because right now - apart from a nice ground and some decent corporate facilities - the fans are the only thing the club has going for it.
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I know it's probably not the sensible option,
but when a player(Richards) has interaction with supporters after an abject display I always think the better of him for at least not just running away and hiding
Me too.
We were sitting behind the dugout and the blokes who were having a go at the players were a couple of rows in front of us. They started by banging on the back of the dugout to try and get players' attention. Most of the players pretended they couldn't hear and didn't turn round. Except for Lescott, who turned to the fans, looked at them like they were pieces of shit, sneered and turned back to the game. At least Richards showed some guts and tried to speak to the fans. If we'd have lost yesterday, there would have been some real problems.
Sobered up, Pat?
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I know it's probably not the sensible option,
but when a player(Richards) has interaction with supporters after an abject display I always think the better of him for at least not just running away and hiding
Me too.
We were sitting behind the dugout and the blokes who were having a go at the players were a couple of rows in front of us. They started by banging on the back of the dugout to try and get players' attention. Most of the players pretended they couldn't hear and didn't turn round. Except for Lescott, who turned to the fans, looked at them like they were pieces of shit, sneered and turned back to the game. At least Richards showed some guts and tried to speak to the fans. If we'd have lost yesterday, there would have been some real problems.
Sobered up, Pat?
You must have been sat by us then. It all started when the fans saw Guzan and Lescott playing some shit game involving throwing gum rather than take any interest in the match. From what I saw it escalated from there.
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I know it's probably not the sensible option,
but when a player(Richards) has interaction with supporters after an abject display I always think the better of him for at least not just running away and hiding
Me too.
We were sitting behind the dugout and the blokes who were having a go at the players were a couple of rows in front of us. They started by banging on the back of the dugout to try and get players' attention. Most of the players pretended they couldn't hear and didn't turn round. Except for Lescott, who turned to the fans, looked at them like they were pieces of shit, sneered and turned back to the game. At least Richards showed some guts and tried to speak to the fans. If we'd have lost yesterday, there would have been some real problems.
Sobered up, Pat?
You must have been sat by us then. It all started when the fans saw Guzan and Lescott playing some shit game involving throwing gum rather than take any interest in the match. From what I saw it escalated from there.
Yep, and Guzan appeared to be laughing. That's what wound a lot of people up.
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I know it's probably not the sensible option,
but when a player(Richards) has interaction with supporters after an abject display I always think the better of him for at least not just running away and hiding
Me too.
We were sitting behind the dugout and the blokes who were having a go at the players were a couple of rows in front of us. They started by banging on the back of the dugout to try and get players' attention. Most of the players pretended they couldn't hear and didn't turn round. Except for Lescott, who turned to the fans, looked at them like they were pieces of shit, sneered and turned back to the game. At least Richards showed some guts and tried to speak to the fans. If we'd have lost yesterday, there would have been some real problems.
Sobered up, Pat?
You must have been sat by us then. It all started when the fans saw Guzan and Lescott playing some shit game involving throwing gum rather than take any interest in the match. From what I saw it escalated from there.
That's what a mate of mine reported, the ones on the video weren't having a go at Richards, it was Lescott and Guzan they were pissed off with for the 'chewing gum game', when you are getting paid as much in a week as a lot of fans get in a year is it really that much of a fucking chore to actually watch and take an interest in the game?
I'm well aware there are many more important problems but attitudes start to become questioned.
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That's fan footage and social media for you.
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There is a massive discord between fans and players, not sure if that is just the modern game, the Premier League or just Villa.
There is no sense of everyone being in it together which again points to no chance of us getting out of this downward spiral for a good while.
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Maybe Garde should stop the team bus at The Adventurers on Tuesday night and make them walk the rest of the way to the ground. Didn't Clough do that once.
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Having watched the reaction of a few individuals to the players boarding the coach yesterday I'd likemto say one thing. GO AWAY. When wil fans realise that amount of money earned bears now relationship with performance. The oft trotted out line "I pay my ticket so I can say what Inwant simply doesn't wash. Do you really think that calling Micha Richards a ****** helps, do,you really believe telling Bacuna he's useless motivates him?
Look very carefully at your ticket, no where does it saya win iis guaranteed or that entertaining football,is a given. Losing is part of the game, relegation happens. Those pitiful few hurling abuse yesterday need to get a grip.
If you want t to be angry be angry with Sky and the Premier league swindlers who have stolen our game, who are taking it out of the reach of ordinary workingclass fans. Be angry, but abusing our own players is downright silly, please stop it it, itbreally, reallly isn't helping.
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Maybe Garde should stop the team bus at The Adventurers on Tuesday night and make them walk the rest of the way to the ground. Didn't Clough do that once.
I did the stadium tour a few weeks ago. Apparantly the players meet at villa park and Garde takes them for a meal in town somewhere and then back to villa park for the game.
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imagine landing a really good job, but then finding that you were struggling to get to grips with it.
Things that would help:
Coaching and guidance
Encouragement and support
Things that would not help:
Being shouted at verbally abused
Being continually told you are useless
Being paid a lot of money
The last point is there because there seems to be an idea that earning thousands of pounds means that they should somehow be able to rise above the abuse and still perform, but most human beings just aren't made like that. The levels of abuse being aimed at the team now simply are not helping. Not only because I imagine that many of them are playing on shredded nerves, but because being on the receiving end of that kind of abuse simply sends most people to their 'Fuck It' line.
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imagine landing a really good job, but then finding that you were struggling to get to grips with it.
Things that would help:
Coaching and guidance
Encouragement and support
Things that would not help:
Being shouted at verbally abused
Being continually told you are useless
Being paid a lot of money
The last point is there because there seems to be an idea that earning thousands of pounds means that they should somehow be able to rise above the abuse and still perform, but most human beings just aren't made like that. The levels of abuse being aimed at the team now simply are not helping. Not only because I imagine that many of them are playing on shredded nerves, but because being on the receiving end of that kind of abuse simply sends most people to their 'Fuck It' line.
This is exactly what I think too, especially the last line. A lot of these players are new to the club and new to the country. It might well be justified abuse, but it's certainly not helpful or constructive. Unfortunately I think most of us saw Sunderland as last chance saloon and now most people have given up and think that no amount of 'sticking with the side' is going to keep us up even if performances and results improve at some point. That's let the abuse of the leash. It's now how I behave, but different fans have different personalities. It's definitely not going to help the situation though.
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I think the "let's give some consideration to the players" ship has well and truly sailed for better or for worse.
This will now get quite ugly and things will get worse before they get better. It might even prove to be the meltdown we had to have.
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Good post Madferret. Whilst I agree with most of those sentiments, I fear yesterday's outbursts are a mild precursor to what's coming on Tuesday evening.
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It seems inevitable now that this abuse will continue. A lot of football fans are not Guardian Readers and will act accordingly.
The Geni is out of the bottle now and unless there is some major effort by the Club to arrest the situation it will continue. (Unlikely)
Sad days indeed.
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I think the "let's give some consideration to the players" ship has well and truly sailed for better or for worse.
This will now get quite ugly and things will get worse before they get better. It might even prove to be the meltdown we had to have.
I'm not talking about giving consideration to the players, I'm talking about how we as fans can either try to play a part in turning it round, or make it worse. I don't even mind the idea of a protest although it's not really for me this time around, I just think the abuse the team are getting (and some of the poor support - e.g. adding 'We're fucking shit' to our limited repertoire of songs) isn't helping VILLA.
I was next to a fan at Everton who was actually trying to get 'We're fucking shit' going when we were singing the Villa Boys song relentlessly. When I asked how that was helping, he said that the 'making all the noise' song is an Albion song. I told him that lots of teams, not just Albion sing that song, but singing that Villa are fucking shit is very definitely an Albion song.
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I agree that it's not going to help, but I'm certainly not going to tell anyone that spends their hard earned on watching that shite what they should or shouldn't say.
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That video is just horrendous and it's not going to help in the slightest.
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Having watched the reaction of a few individuals to the players boarding the coach yesterday I'd likemto say one thing. GO AWAY. When wil fans realise that amount of money earned bears now relationship with performance. The oft trotted out line "I pay my ticket so I can say what Inwant simply doesn't wash. Do you really think that calling Micha Richards a c*** helps, do,you really believe telling Bacuna he's useless motivates him?
Look very carefully at your ticket, no where does it saya win iis guaranteed or that entertaining football,is a given. Losing is part of the game, relegation happens. Those pitiful few hurling abuse yesterday need to get a grip.
If you want t to be angry be angry with Sky and the Premier league swindlers who have stolen our game, who are taking it out of the reach of ordinary workingclass fans. Be angry, but abusing our own players is downright silly, please stop it it, itbreally, reallly isn't helping.
Totally agree! I understand all the anger.
But yesterday I felt ashamed to be a fan (not because of the team either this time.)
The abuse the players got were beyond a joke, I no beer may have been involved and mixed with the anger.
But having took my little nephew, who it's hard enough to get to support Villa when he never gets to win.
And then seeing his terrified face because of a fair few people (not saying all) being way too abusive, just ruined the experience.
As much as I agree that these people are paid way too much and give far too little.
For the niece who just wanted to go see the players who he pretends to be when he plays was just too much.
The "not fit to wear the shirt" is one thing, being so worked up and abusive to the point of scaring the younger villians is a whole 'nother level.
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Any ounce of sympathy from the average football fan to our plight will evaporate when they see idiots abusing their own team as they try to get onto a coach. We all know that Gestede is not Prem quality and I sure his confidence is at rock bottom, so what does one of our family do; they decide to make it worse.
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When you have ex pros calling your players 'cheats' and ex Villa greats like McNaught saying they are 'embarrassing', it is hardly a surprise that supporters who spend their time and money supporting them act as they did yesterday.
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Not sure if this has already been posted, but here is a link to a the Micah Richards discussion with the fans where you can hear the what he is saying a little more clearly.
vimeo.com/151261528 (http://vimeo.com/151261528)
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I give Richards credit for that and also the fans were being reasonable.
You could just get that they were upset as they saw some players messing about.
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Not sure if this has already been posted, but here is a link to a the Micah Richards discussion with the fans where you can hear the what he is saying a little more clearly.
vimeo.com/151261528 (http://vimeo.com/151261528)
I saw that fella with his mobile phone so I expected the video to turn up pretty quickly. Richards obviously took exception to the banging on the dugout but he dealt with it in the right way. If only they could all start playing like top flight footballers now. On yesterday's performance we'll be bottom half of the Championship next season at best.
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I give Richards credit for that and also the fans were being reasonable.
You could just get that they were upset as they saw some players messing about.
I concur, CL. It was heartening to see that finally one highly paid Aston Villa employee had the decency to talk to a few supporters - rather than hiding. Fair play to the guy.
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The fans in that video seem to be justificably pissed off that Lescott and Guzan were pissing about on the bench. If Micah Richards put half as much effort into trying to stop the opposition scoring as he does getting involved in confrontations every other week we'd probably not be conceding as many soft goals as we are.
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I think the "let's give some consideration to the players" ship has well and truly sailed for better or for worse.
This will now get quite ugly and things will get worse before they get better. It might even prove to be the meltdown we had to have.
I'm not talking about giving consideration to the players, I'm talking about how we as fans can either try to play a part in turning it round, or make it worse. I don't even mind the idea of a protest although it's not really for me this time around, I just think the abuse the team are getting (and some of the poor support - e.g. adding 'We're fucking shit' to our limited repertoire of songs) isn't helping VILLA.
I was next to a fan at Everton who was actually trying to get 'We're fucking shit' going when we were singing the Villa Boys song relentlessly. When I asked how that was helping, he said that the 'making all the noise' song is an Albion song. I told him that lots of teams, not just Albion sing that song, but singing that Villa are fucking shit is very definitely an Albion song.
I did similar at Everton. Told some lads, quite loudly, that if theyou want to sing about how shit we are, they should stand on the Tilton. That they should show a little pride, because we're Aston Villa, not fucking g Walsall and no matter how bad the team is, there's no need for the unrelenting small timeness of signing anti-Villa songs.
It cracked a smile at Spurs at the end of the season a couple back, mainly when singing about jesus Villa, but it's beyond the pale now.
Shut them up anyway.
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That video is just horrendous and it's not going to help in the slightest.
Would like to think those fans have seen the video and realised what idiots it made them look.
Sadly, I expect not.
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I was giving them stick yesterday, along with most people around me.
We're down and out, they looked like they didn't care and that's the one thing that most fans can't forgive. It's not the fans' fault we're so shit. In fact, there's a lot of clubs whose fans would have long ago given up watching their team. If the players don't like criticism they should get their heads out of their arses and try a bit.
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Does anyone think a mass boycott of the Wycombe replay might get the message across to the owner, players and idiots running the club ?
A shocking crowd will at least hit them in the pocket. Plus it's better than being there booing the team !
I'm torn on it. After not seeing us win at home since September, it would be great to actually see us win for a change (which I think we will) but I'm getting sick to death of handing money over to them.
Wycombe deserve their share of a decent gate. A boycott would make very little difference to Villa but a huge financial kick in the balls for them.
So, I'll attend.
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I give Richards credit for that and also the fans were being reasonable.
You could just get that they were upset as they saw some players messing about.
I concur, CL. It was heartening to see that finally one highly paid Aston Villa employee had the decency to talk to a few supporters - rather than hiding. Fair play to the guy.
Agreed also. Richards didn't need to go and face the fans, but he did. Guzan and Lescott, however should make some effort to apologise for their obvious disinterest. They won't though.
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Does anyone think a mass boycott of the Wycombe replay might get the message across to the owner, players and idiots running the club ?
A shocking crowd will at least hit them in the pocket. Plus it's better than being there booing the team !
I'm torn on it. After not seeing us win at home since September, it would be great to actually see us win for a change (which I think we will) but I'm getting sick to death of handing money over to them.
Wycombe deserve their share of a decent gate. A boycott would make very little difference to Villa but a huge financial kick in the balls for them.
So, I'll attend.
That's a very good point. One of their trust directors, John Durben, approached my younger son and I outside the ground, pre-match, and we had a really good chat about the manner in which their Club is run. He said their chairman was praying for a draw, for this very reason.
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I was giving them stick yesterday, along with most people around me.
We're down and out, they looked like they didn't care and that's the one thing that most fans can't forgive. It's not the fans' fault we're so shit. In fact, there's a lot of clubs whose fans would have long ago given up watching their team. If the players don't like criticism they should get their heads out of their arses and try a bit.
Exactly my thoughts, very well put Chico
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I give Richards credit for that and also the fans were being reasonable.
You could just get that they were upset as they saw some players messing about.
I concur, CL. It was heartening to see that finally one highly paid Aston Villa employee had the decency to talk to a few supporters - rather than hiding. Fair play to the guy.
And to the supporters, you could feel their pain and they were very measured
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I give Richards credit for that and also the fans were being reasonable.
You could just get that they were upset as they saw some players messing about.
I concur, CL. It was heartening to see that finally one highly paid Aston Villa employee had the decency to talk to a few supporters - rather than hiding. Fair play to the guy.
A small bit of my faith in footballers' common decency has been restored by that. He didn't have to come out and talk to the fans like that - fair play to him.
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I give Richards credit for that and also the fans were being reasonable.
You could just get that they were upset as they saw some players messing about.
I concur, CL. It was heartening to see that finally one highly paid Aston Villa employee had the decency to talk to a few supporters - rather than hiding. Fair play to the guy.
And to the supporters, you could feel their pain and they were very measured
Yes, that's a given (for most of us at least). I think those bunch of supporters represent the frustration of the vast majority of Villa fans far more than the guy(s) giving the extreme verbals in front of the team coach. I guess it just shows how we nearly all have limits on how we behave in these situations, but I can understand the plethora of reactions when folk bear witness to the utterly deplorable state of our club. Perhaps I'm getting old (which is true!), but I'm surprised it's taken as long as it has for supporters to vent their spleen. It's sure-as-hell been coming for a long time...
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Apparently Guzan and Lescott spent the match seeing who could spit chewing gum closest to the pitch side , when fans complained to them they were told to fuck off.Richards then went to speak to the fans who clearly were not happy.
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I give Richards credit for that and also the fans were being reasonable.
You could just get that they were upset as they saw some players messing about.
I concur, CL. It was heartening to see that finally one highly paid Aston Villa employee had the decency to talk to a few supporters - rather than hiding. Fair play to the guy.
A small bit of my faith in footballers' common decency has been restored by that. He didn't have to come out and talk to the fans like that - fair play to him.
I agree too, and i actually thought overall he played quite well yesterday at right back and should stay in that position. I have a feeling he'll be one of the first out of the door at the end of the season mind, but you wouldnt really blame him.
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Imagine a potential signing seeing that. Or an ex potential signing as they would quickly become.
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imagine landing a really good job, but then finding that you were struggling to get to grips with it.
Things that would help:
Coaching and guidance
Encouragement and support
Things that would not help:
Being shouted at verbally abused
Being continually told you are useless
Being paid a lot of money
The last point is there because there seems to be an idea that earning thousands of pounds means that they should somehow be able to rise above the abuse and still perform, but most human beings just aren't made like that. The levels of abuse being aimed at the team now simply are not helping. Not only because I imagine that many of them are playing on shredded nerves, but because being on the receiving end of that kind of abuse simply sends most people to their 'Fuck It' line.
Agree with the above.
Also respect to Micah for talking to the fans, just a pity he was pulled away as the point was made about the "attititude" so he may not have heard. Hopefully he did and may have a word in some ears.
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I've been supporting villa for over 50 years. After seeing the reactions of these so called fans, I'm embarrassed to say they are fellow villa fans.
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Is there any their profession other than professional sports and football specifically where being personally verbally abused is generally seen as acknowledged, even accepted behaviour from customers? Yes they are paid well, but after they are done playing I don't imagine it's that easy to turn off. Being called a c*** and a wanker by people with real hate and bile in their face can't be easy to just accept.
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Anyone seen the video of the bald guy in front of the coach calling them all Wankers and telling them to fuck off. I know we're shit but bit too far in my opinion
Link?
https://twitter.com/oldmansaid/status/685864223004581889
That guy wants putting in a police van. No need.
I don't like Bacuna either, but a tad harsh that!
And yet if it's 40,000 people in a crowd doing it to Bacuna, or equally calling a referee a wanker, it's probably acceptable.
That's very profound.
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Who do we direct our anger at?
Lerner? - He wants out anyway.
Fox? - He's job is to see the business runs ok which it is.
Reilly? - The new signings are not all that bad
Garde? - He's mopping up someone else's shit
The players? - Maybe
This is a perfect shitstorm I'm afraid made worse by not having a stand alone scapegoat.
If in doubt I always blame Thatcher
True that brother
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Maybe Garde should stop the team bus at The Adventurers on Tuesday night and make them walk the rest of the way to the ground. Didn't Clough do that once.
Will never happen but what a great idea. There would be some abuse but I reckon by the time they got the ground the general feeling would change and the support would flood through.
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Anyone seen the video of the bald guy in front of the coach calling them all Wankers and telling them to fuck off. I know we're shit but bit too far in my opinion
Link?
https://twitter.com/oldmansaid/status/685864223004581889
That guy wants putting in a police van. No need.
I don't like Bacuna either, but a tad harsh that!
And yet if it's 40,000 people in a crowd doing it to Bacuna, or equally calling a referee a wanker, it's probably acceptable.
That's very profound.
As the mighty Mr L Kilminster (R.I.P) once said "No Class".
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Maybe Garde should stop the team bus at The Adventurers on Tuesday night and make them walk the rest of the way to the ground. Didn't Clough do that once.
Will never happen but what a great idea. There would be some abuse but I reckon by the time they got the ground the general feeling would change and the support would flood through.
Clough got the Forest team coach to stop a mile away from the ground when playing at Millwall and made the players walked to the ground. He figured that if they could do that, there would be no chance of them being intimidated during the match.
It worked. What a bloke.
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That video is just horrendous and it's not going to help in the slightest.
Maybe a bit OTT but I admire the passion of the guy. He's obviously hurting as are thousands of other Villa fans including me. He just seized the opportunity to get it off his chest. And no I don't think it will affect anything but I know exactly how he feels.
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Who do we direct our anger at?
Lerner? - He wants out anyway.
Fox? - He's job is to see the business runs ok which it is.
Reilly? - The new signings are not all that bad
Garde? - He's mopping up someone else's shit
The players? - Maybe
This is a perfect shitstorm I'm afraid made worse by not having a stand alone scapegoat.
Oh come on. A blind man could tell you all our problems stem from the man at the top, Randy Lerner.
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Has the stolen Wycombe Wanderers wheelchair (https://twitter.com/OneLewisONeill/status/686286370889928704) (Twitter link) that was taken to the Marston Green Tavern been mentioned yet?
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That HAS to be a sick wind up. Surely?!
I'd like to believe we haven't got anyone who would do that.
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I hope it is a wind-up.
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I was giving them stick yesterday, along with most people around me.
We're down and out, they looked like they didn't care and that's the one thing that most fans can't forgive. It's not the fans' fault we're so shit. In fact, there's a lot of clubs whose fans would have long ago given up watching their team. If the players don't like criticism they should get their heads out of their arses and try a bit.
Exactly my thoughts, very well put Chico
We were able to give Remi some advice in French too, but it didn't seem to help
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I know it's probably not the sensible option,
but when a player(Richards) has interaction with supporters after an abject display I always think the better of him for at least not just running away and hiding
Me too.
We were sitting behind the dugout and the blokes who were having a go at the players were a couple of rows in front of us. They started by banging on the back of the dugout to try and get players' attention. Most of the players pretended they couldn't hear and didn't turn round. Except for Lescott, who turned to the fans, looked at them like they were pieces of shit, sneered and turned back to the game. At least Richards showed some guts and tried to speak to the fans. If we'd have lost yesterday, there would have been some real problems.
Sobered up, Pat?
You must have been sat by us then. It all started when the fans saw Guzan and Lescott playing some shit game involving throwing gum rather than take any interest in the match. From what I saw it escalated from there.
That's what a mate of mine reported, the ones on the video weren't having a go at Richards, it was Lescott and Guzan they were pissed off with for the 'chewing gum game', when you are getting paid as much in a week as a lot of fans get in a year is it really that much of a fucking chore to actually watch and take an interest in the game?
I'm well aware there are many more important problems but attitudes start to become questioned.
Correct. Saw it all, was sitting with my brother Des Little.
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Guzan should have kept that gum and stuck it to his gloves.
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Guzan should have kept that gum and stuck it to his gloves.
Lescott threw a piece to Guzan...............
.............. he dropped it. (or did an opponent intercept it?)
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I've no problem with any fan wanting to share his opinion with the team, however my heart sinks with every new video posted to social media, it would be great to draw a line under it now, keep the videos to ourselves and save the dirty washing for another time.
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I was giving them stick yesterday, along with most people around me.
We're down and out, they looked like they didn't care and that's the one thing that most fans can't forgive. It's not the fans' fault we're so shit. In fact, there's a lot of clubs whose fans would have long ago given up watching their team. If the players don't like criticism they should get their heads out of their arses and try a bit.
Exactly my thoughts, very well put Chico
We were able to give Remi some advice in French too, but it didn't seem to help
There was someone about 3 seats away from me occasionally shouting towards the dugout in French (I was just to the right of the dugout) to the general bemusement of everyone around! If it was you, I trust it would suitably 'colourful' in keeping with the general tone at the moment!!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jamesnursey/status/686293585512280064
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I am reminded of when Beelzebub was the manager at Palace and he took umbrage at his reserve GK, one Alex Kolinko, smirking after an error by the GK on the pitch by "clipping him round the ear".
Guzan is a bit of a buffoon, when all is said and done, but you would have thought that "Villa fan" Lescott would know better.
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Is there any their profession other than professional sports and football specifically where being personally verbally abused is generally seen as acknowledged, even accepted behaviour from customers?
Well, no, but surely most fans do not feel the same way about their relationship with their club as they do about their relationship with their utility providers? Or maybe they do; it’d go some way to explain the lack of atmosphere in the Premier League, I suppose.
Whilst not wanting to defend the offending jerk at the bus, I’m astonished at the outrage on here. It seems exceedingly tame to me compared to what would be going on in many other countries if a club underperformed to the extent Villa has.
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I hope it is a wind-up.
No, I think you have to push it.
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I was giving them stick yesterday, along with most people around me.
We're down and out, they looked like they didn't care and that's the one thing that most fans can't forgive. It's not the fans' fault we're so shit. In fact, there's a lot of clubs whose fans would have long ago given up watching their team. If the players don't like criticism they should get their heads out of their arses and try a bit.
Exactly my thoughts, very well put Chico
We were able to give Remi some advice in French too, but it didn't seem to help
There was someone about 3 seats away from me occasionally shouting towards the dugout in French (I was just to the right of the dugout) to the general bemusement of everyone around! If it was you, I trust it would suitably 'colourful' in keeping with the general tone at the moment!!
That was us. It was Pat McMahon's PSG-supporting French mate who took up the offer of a spare ticket. He was dishing out some random French rants towards the dugout which I'm sure Garde would have heard. He also couldn't believe how primitive our football was. Could hold his beer though, for a young un
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I was giving them stick yesterday, along with most people around me.
We're down and out, they looked like they didn't care and that's the one thing that most fans can't forgive. It's not the fans' fault we're so shit. In fact, there's a lot of clubs whose fans would have long ago given up watching their team. If the players don't like criticism they should get their heads out of their arses and try a bit.
Exactly my thoughts, very well put Chico
We were able to give Remi some advice in French too, but it didn't seem to help
There was someone about 3 seats away from me occasionally shouting towards the dugout in French (I was just to the right of the dugout) to the general bemusement of everyone around! If it was you, I trust it would suitably 'colourful' in keeping with the general tone at the moment!!
That was us. It was Pat McMahon's PSG-supporting French mate who took up the offer of a spare ticket. He was dishing out some random French rants towards the dugout which I'm sure Garde would have heard. He also couldn't believe how primitive our football was. Could hold his beer though, for a young un
He was telling Remi Garde to get his fingers out of his arse and get them playing football, albeit in more earthy tones. His comment to us after the game was that he thought he was going to watch a game of football but was instead treated to volleyball.
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He should count himself lucky, I've seen us play far worse this season.
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I give Richards credit for that and also the fans were being reasonable.
You could just get that they were upset as they saw some players messing about.
I agree with that. I thought Richards handled the situation well, as it could have got quite nasty. As others have said, at least one person at the club is willing to front up and speak to the fans.
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I hope it is a wind-up.
No, I think you have to push it.
Any self respecting villa fan would've nicked a battery powered mobility scooter surely.
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If Guzan's gum spitting is on a par with his kicking, I am amazed if it got past his chin - never mind anywhere near the touchline.
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Guzan/Lescott telling their own fans to fuck off is getting more purchase in the media (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-pair-brad-guzan-7153637). They may get a less than warm welcome tomorrow night. For my money I'd not be sorry to see them both out of the club pdq
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Neither of them should be in the side regardless. Guzan Is a walking blunder and Lescott plays like he's been knee capped.
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Their lack of judgement is appalling but I think a fit Lescott will be an asset for the rest of the season, the defence has looked far better with him in it.
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Their lack of judgement is appalling but I think a fit Lescott will be an asset for the rest of the season, the defence has looked far better with him in it.
Wow
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Their lack of judgement is appalling but I think a fit Lescott will be an asset for the rest of the season, the defence has looked far better with him in it.
Wow
When he has been paired with Okore, I'd agree. That's Southampton away, Arsenal home, Newcastle away and West Ham home. We've conceded five in four in those matches. It's certainly pretty unspectacular, but by the standards of our season, it's quite sexy.
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Think it says more of Okore and what he gives us when fit e.g. a bit of pace.
Will be a big player for us next season.
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Think it says more of Okore and what he gives us when fit e.g. a bit of pace.
Will be a big player for us next season.
Agreed, Okore should be our first choice centre back at the moment. It's not just pace, but determination and confidence, plus he can be decent on the ball. Lescott provided a good foil for him though, especially in the 2nd halves at Southampton and Newcastle and the West Ham game, during which he look like the assured, experienced defender we hoped he would be. We haven't seen Okore and Lescott together in the three games since. We are not talking Baresi/McGrath here, but they are probably our best chance. Unless we assume that Clark will drastically improve his performances again if paired with Okore, like he did last year.
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Amavi, Veretout, Traore, Ayew can stay. The rest of them can all f*ck right off.
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Their lack of judgement is appalling but I think a fit Lescott will be an asset for the rest of the season, the defence has looked far better with him in it.
Wow
When he has been paired with Okore, I'd agree. That's Southampton away, Arsenal home, Newcastle away and West Ham home. We've conceded five in four in those matches. It's certainly pretty unspectacular, but by the standards of our season, it's quite sexy.
He has done nothing to suggest he would be an asset for the rest of the season, the lesser of two evils maybe.
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Amavi, Veretout, Traore, Ayew can stay. The rest of them can all f*ck right off.
I doubt any of these will be here next season.
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Amavi, Veretout, Traore, Ayew can stay. The rest of them can all f*ck right off.
I doubt any of these will be here next season.
Amavi probably will be.
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Amavi, Veretout, Traore, Ayew can stay. The rest of them can all f*ck right off.
I doubt any of these will be here next season.
And therein lies the problem; the few players with a bit of quality who we would like to keep will probably be the ones we can't keep hold of - Amavi, Traore, Ayew and Veretout being the four that immediately spring to mind.
Garde may be able to persuade them to stay but at this point in time there is no guarantee he will be here
The ones that we want shut of, and I won't list them as there are too many to mention, are on ridiculous wages and/or long term deals so we are probably stuck with them. Oh and they're shit!
We are in a bit of a pickle (slightly understated but I have exhausted all the expletives I know previously!)
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We have to do all we can to retain Veretout, Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Okore. That quality could make a massive difference next year. In addition to Grealish, with his career hopefully back on track, there is at least a basis for a team there. The rest needs an awful lot of work,
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Amavi, Veretout, Traore, Ayew can stay. The rest of them can all f*ck right off.
I doubt any of these will be here next season.
Are they just going to rip up their contracts?
I can understand they might want to move on but we are not obliged to sell.
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Amavi, Veretout, Traore, Ayew can stay. The rest of them can all f*ck right off.
I doubt any of these will be here next season.
Are they just going to rip up their contracts?
I can understand they might want to move on but we are not obliged to sell.
We won't force them to stay.
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Id imagine the relegation clause will be a two way thing.
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Amavi, Veretout, Traore, Ayew can stay. The rest of them can all f*ck right off.
I doubt any of these will be here next season.
Are they just going to rip up their contracts?
I can understand they might want to move on but we are not obliged to sell.
We won't force them to stay.
But nor are we going to sell them at a massive loss.
They've been our better performers this season, but have any of them shown enough to persuade anyone to part with the thicker end of £10m to recruit them?
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Amavi, Veretout, Traore, Ayew can stay. The rest of them can all f*ck right off.
I doubt any of these will be here next season.
I reckon they all will,
most were not cheap so we won't be fire selling them
also as good as we think they are, they don't have to be brilliant to look better than average in our team, I doubt they have made much of a stir with many prem managers, maybe with the exception of Ayew
But what did he cost 9mill, can't see a big que for a not very often scoring forward who's playing in the lowest scoring side in the league
we all think Veretout has a touch of class at times, but he's hardly creating a fuss like Vardy or Mahrez I don't think premiership clubs will be banging the doors down for anyone we have got to be honest, which is obviously good and bad news
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Amavi, Veretout, Traore, Ayew can stay. The rest of them can all f*ck right off.
I doubt any of these will be here next season.
Are they just going to rip up their contracts?
I can understand they might want to move on but we are not obliged to sell.
We won't force them to stay.
I doubt that they will ask for transfers given the financial implications so unless we accept offers they cannot speak to other clubs. We are not talking about players with the reputation of Delph and Benteke but rather ones with a single season in this league for a team that have broken records for crapness.
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Traore has only been a bit player. A very promising bit player but that's all. Will clubs be really knocking down the door for his services? Ditto Amavi who looked good for a couple of games but then got injured for the rest of the season.
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Veretout / Gueye / Amavi where all highly rated before they came to us , I would think clubs will still be interested in them.
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I am a bit uncomfortable with some of the fan condemnation we are saying. Whilst the behaviour of the bloke with the coach was far from ideal, at what point do you have to write some of it off as someone who has just flipped, the camels back broken as it were?
On real life, I am a hard working, decent family man. I wouldn't entertain using foul language in front of the nippers . I stay away from drinking at work piss ups to ensure others stay in check and don't do anything they regret.
The passion and anger that can spew forth at a match is different though. If you read my stuff in the fanzine you would think I hate everyone and everything. If Sherwood had walked into The Bartons after the Stoke game for a quiet meal with his wife I would most definitely have marched over and given him a round of fucks such was my mood. It happens.
It might not be constructive but would have made me feel better. It is why I can understand the wish to protest. But thar is also where the ruthless logical and pragmatic me of the real world, without the rarified atmosphere of a match, thinks what is the point if you don't have a desired purpose.
This adds nothing to the debate I know, but maybe some other people feel similar so it might help to put their view.
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With reference to the OP I'm beginning to see relegation as I would an illness or a dental problem. We know what's wrong so the sooner we can start treating it the sooner it will clear up.
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I am a bit uncomfortable with some of the fan condemnation we are saying. Whilst the behaviour of the bloke with the coach was far from ideal, at what point do you have to write some of it off as someone who has just flipped, the camels back broken as it were?
On real life, I am a hard working, decent family man. I wouldn't entertain using foul language in front of the nippers . I stay away from drinking at work piss ups to ensure others stay in check and don't do anything they regret.
The passion and anger that can spew forth at a match is different though. If you read my stuff in the fanzine you would think I hate everyone and everything. If Sherwood had walked into The Bartons after the Stoke game for a quiet meal with his wife I would most definitely have marched over and given him a round of fucks such was my mood. It happens.
It might not be constructive but would have made me feel better. It is why I can understand the wish to protest. But thar is also where the ruthless logical and pragmatic me of the real world, without the rarified atmosphere of a match, thinks what is the point if you don't have a desired purpose.
This adds nothing to the debate I know, but maybe some other people feel similar so it might help to put their view.
I would agree. I've said before, give us a squad of players who give their all and they will be supported by all of us.
But give us players telling us to fuck off when they can't even pretend to act professionally, give us players smiling and grinning at supporters, give us players giving the "I earn loads of money" sign , give us players who aren't even close to putting minimum effort in.....
Players who care not a jot whether we go down in humiliating fashion or not. They will never care as we do, obviously, look at so called Villans like Gabby and Lescott.
But show some personal pride for fucks sake.
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I am a bit uncomfortable with some of the fan condemnation we are saying. Whilst the behaviour of the bloke with the coach was far from ideal, at what point do you have to write some of it off as someone who has just flipped, the camels back broken as it were?
On real life, I am a hard working, decent family man. I wouldn't entertain using foul language in front of the nippers . I stay away from drinking at work piss ups to ensure others stay in check and don't do anything they regret.
The passion and anger that can spew forth at a match is different though. If you read my stuff in the fanzine you would think I hate everyone and everything. If Sherwood had walked into The Bartons after the Stoke game for a quiet meal with his wife I would most definitely have marched over and given him a round of fucks such was my mood. It happens.
It might not be constructive but would have made me feel better. It is why I can understand the wish to protest. But thar is also where the ruthless logical and pragmatic me of the real world, without the rarified atmosphere of a match, thinks what is the point if you don't have a desired purpose.
This adds nothing to the debate I know, but maybe some other people feel similar so it might help to put their view.
Can't help but agree with a lot of that CL - The Villa have been a constant in my life for 5 decades and I have literally shed blood following them, sometimes my own fault I will admit ;-) The anger and emotion spilling out now is the mirror-image of the "match day experience" blx we have been fed for years where we just make up a paying part of the entertainment. When it starts getting ugly because it really matters some people naturally recoil.
I am a professional carer and therapist so bizarrely I objectively understand why I act in certain ways when it comes to The Villa but I buzz with the passion and emotion of it all and would not have it any other way for good or ill.
What I don't want is for this to turn Villan against Villan and I will walk away from any situation that seems likely to end in that. The Villa has been too much of a family to me to turn on my own.
When I meet Tom Fox in a couple of weeks time I shall be polite and respectful to him and all others whether I agree with them or not. I may join a protest at one of the next two games if they appear to be organised and purposeful.
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If any of our so called better players want to go, sell them for as much as we can get. Next season's team will all want to be here, pulling together. It's clear that this bunch of arseholes don't, hence the results.
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Next season's team will all want to be here, pulling together
You reckon?!
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Next season's team will all want to be here, pulling together
You reckon?!
Typo! I meant 'will have to want to be here'!
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I would just like to enjoy watching my team play again. I have unplugged from football for months as we have got worse and worse.
It was only today I happened to go through the guardians football section following the garde story. Instead of bailing after I skimmed a few of the other results and stories then popped into the comments section. Christ fans of other teams are enjoying football, like looking forward to it. With a reasonable expectation they could have fun in the future and enthusiasm for some of their current players or manager.
I miss that. I would like it back.
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If any of our so called better players want to go, sell them for as much as we can get. Next season's team will all want to be here, pulling together. It's clear that this bunch of arseholes don't, hence the results.
For far too many of the, I'm afraid that pulling each other is probably more apt as far too many have proven themselves to be spineless w¤¤kers.
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... give us players telling us to fuck off when they can't even pretend to act professionally, give us players smiling and grinning at supporters, give us players giving the "I earn loads of money" sign , give us players who aren't even close to putting minimum effort in.....
...look at so called Villans like Gabby and Lescott.
If any fan feels like packing it all in then the above is their perfect excuse. Why would anyone hand over their well earned cash to see the above?
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I would just like to enjoy watching my team play again. I have unplugged from football for months as we have got worse and worse.
It was only today I happened to go through the guardians football section following the garde story. Instead of bailing after I skimmed a few of the other results and stories then popped into the comments section. Christ fans of other teams are enjoying football, like looking forward to it. With a reasonable expectation they could have fun in the future and enthusiasm for some of their current players or manager.
I miss that. I would like it back.
Spot on.
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Picking up on your point Stuart I agree about us all being Jekyll and Hyde. I know I am, big time but there does come a point when self control and self preservation has to kick in.
Coming out of the Norwich game a young Villa fan whose age I would estimate at 18-20 became so upset he started to kick violently a steel rubbish skip. That was entirely certain to end in A and E so I stepped between him and the skip. He started to rage at me and call me a c*nt. It came very close to him venting his anger on me but I had my brick shithouse son Lucas with me and me needing A and E was averted.
Two morals, don't kick skips. Know where to draw the line of Villa anger.
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I heard a certain Mr D Woodhall giving his considered views on the Today programme this morning. Nicely done.
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I heard a certain Mr D Woodhall giving his considered views on the Today programme this morning. Nicely done.
And 5Live as well. #mediawhore
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I would just like to enjoy watching my team play again. I have unplugged from football for months as we have got worse and worse.
It was only today I happened to go through the guardians football section following the garde story. Instead of bailing after I skimmed a few of the other results and stories then popped into the comments section. Christ fans of other teams are enjoying football, like looking forward to it. With a reasonable expectation they could have fun in the future and enthusiasm for some of their current players or manager.
I miss that. I would like it back.
I share that feeling. Twice recently, after Norwich and Wycombe, I've found myself on the tube with happy Gooners and have really envied them. For a long time, with just the occasional short respite, supporting Villa and turning up to matches has felt like a duty not a pleasure.
I'm rather glad that I'm driving to the game tonight and will avoid happy Palace fans on the train!