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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: villadelph on December 13, 2015, 03:46:16 PM
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Any word on the pre-match (Dec 13) meeting/Q&A with the supporters?
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Would love to hear what this clown has to say but it's probably the wrong narrative the tosser.
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He'd have been too busy with his old bosses - hoping they will give him his job back.
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Apparently there will be an investigation into Rudy Gestede's stats on FIFA 15.
Paddy Reilly is said to be "furious".
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He said he knows nothing about football but had made this clear on his job application, and was as surprised as anyone when he was then tasked with finding and appointing a director of football and putting people in charge of player recruitment.
Asked if there was any truth that the beeb were looking to use Villa Park for the follow up series to Twenty Twelve and W1A he said yes their writers had attended a couple of the club's management team meetings and seemed happy with what they heard.
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I wonder if what Fox had to say was by any chance mostly meaningless marketing speak totally at odds with our current situation?
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You shouldn't take things like this seriously. I've been to plenty of similar meets and very little of any importance is divulged. You might get the odd "this is off the record" snippet that gets someone who wasn't invited up in arms because they haven't been told but it's invariably a bit of gossip about something in the past. If it hadn't been in the Mail it wouldn't have aroused comment.
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It was quite interesting at times. Joe C will update Golden Muppets in due course.
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You shouldn't take things like this seriously. I've been to plenty of similar meets and very little of any importance is divulged. You might get the odd "this is off the record" snippet that gets someone who wasn't invited up in arms because they haven't been told but it's invariably a bit of gossip about something in the past. If it hadn't been in the Mail it wouldn't have aroused comment.
Thanks, Dave. I just figured given our current situation that today might cross the threshold beyond babbling PR speak. Don't know if I'd be able to retain my emotions sharing a room with our CEO at the moment.
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You shouldn't take things like this seriously. I've been to plenty of similar meets and very little of any importance is divulged. You might get the odd "this is off the record" snippet that gets someone who wasn't invited up in arms because they haven't been told but it's invariably a bit of gossip about something in the past. If it hadn't been in the Mail it wouldn't have aroused comment.
It was quite interesting at times. Joe C will update Golden Muppets in due course.
If its that unimportant then why not update the whole membership?
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
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I wouldn't worry. If anything interesting is revealed there will be a queue of GM and AVST members lining up to tell us.
Not that there will be. With relegation a probability I'm sure Fox will be adopting a bunker mentality.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
It was hardly a demand though, was it?
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I wouldn't worry. If anything interesting is revealed there will be a queue of GM and AVST members lining up to tell us.
Not that there will be. With relegation a probability I'm sure Fox will be adopting a bunker mentality.
Probability? Sounds far too optimistic.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
There is a new Chairman in January plus an additional board member.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
There is a new Chairman in January plus an additional board member.
Any truth in the rumour it's Gerald Ratner?
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
There is a new Chairman in January plus an additional board member.
Finally! It's about time somebody was tasked with rearranging those bloody deckchairs.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
There is a new Chairman in January plus an additional board member.
ICEBERGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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There is a new Chairman in January plus an additional board member.
Any word of a transfer budget? I'd like to know who we're going to sign but that's a little optomistic.
So two new people at board level. As long as we're spending money sensibly...
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There is a new Chairman in January plus an additional board member.
Any word of a transfer budget? I'd like to know who we're going to sign but that's a little optomistic.
So two new people at board level. As long as we're spending money sensibly...
What would be gained from giving anybody that information?
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Fox suggested Garde would have £20-30m in Jan; if he wanted to spend it.
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There is a new Chairman in January plus an additional board member.
Any word of a transfer budget? I'd like to know who we're going to sign but that's a little optomistic.
So two new people at board level. As long as we're spending money sensibly...
What would be gained from giving anybody that information?
The same as telling the supporters something like, oh, I dunno...:
Fabian Delph has signed a new contract
(with a insanely cheap buyout clause)
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
There is a new Chairman in January plus an additional board member.
Interesting if true.
Good a question like that was asked as Lerner did say in that rare Times interview just before the cup final he would appoint someone else as Chairman so guess that was asked.
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There is a new Chairman in January plus an additional board member.
Any word of a transfer budget? I'd like to know who we're going to sign but that's a little optomistic.
So two new people at board level. As long as we're spending money sensibly...
What would be gained from giving anybody that information?
The same as telling the supporters something like, oh, I dunno...:
Fabian Delph has signed a new contract
(with a insanely cheap buyout clause)
Still bitter about that I see.
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Fox suggested Garde would have £20-30m in Jan; if he wanted to spend it.
That's interesting, but considering how much TV money is available just for staying in the division you'd think it'd be more than that.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
It was hardly a demand though, was it?
Why mention it then?
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Still bitter about that I see.
Aren't you? As a supporter aren't you bitter that we were deceived?
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
It was hardly a demand though, was it?
Why mention it then?
It was a simple question.
Why imply it was a demand when it wasn't?
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Still bitter about that I see.
Aren't you? As a supporter aren't you bitter that we were deceived?
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No, I'm glad we got some money for the lying twat at all, but we've been through this already and I don't really want to again.
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Still bitter about that I see.
Aren't you? As a supporter aren't you bitter that we were deceived?
No, I'm glad we got some money for the lying twat at all, but we've been through this already and I don't really want to again.
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Well then feel free not to respond to a reply someone else's question.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
It was hardly a demand though, was it?
Why mention it then?
It was a simple question.
Why imply it was a demand when it wasn't?
Why get so heated about a word? Whether it was a demand, a query, a request or a proclamation, the principle is still the same.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
It was hardly a demand though, was it?
Why mention it then?
It was a simple question.
Why imply it was a demand when it wasn't?
Why get so heated about a word? Whether it was a demand, a query, a request or a proclamation, the principle is still the same.
Why use the word at all?
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Still bitter about that I see.
Aren't you? As a supporter aren't you bitter that we were deceived?
No, I'm glad we got some money for the lying twat at all, but we've been through this already and I don't really want to again.
Well then feel free not to respond to a reply someone else's question.
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Not sure what you mean, but ok.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
It was hardly a demand though, was it?
Why mention it then?
It was a simple question.
Why imply it was a demand when it wasn't?
Why get so heated about a word? Whether it was a demand, a query, a request or a proclamation, the principle is still the same.
Why use the word at all?
Because I can't spell enquiry. Now that's cleared up, perhaps we can move on.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
It was hardly a demand though, was it?
Why mention it then?
It was a simple question.
Why imply it was a demand when it wasn't?
Why get so heated about a word? Whether it was a demand, a query, a request or a proclamation, the principle is still the same.
Why use the word at all?
Because I can't spell enquiry. Now that's cleared up, perhaps we can move on.
Back on topic there was a few more things suggested; to do with the media and certain players.
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Well then feel free not to respond to a reply someone else's question.
Well you did choose to bring the subject up, completely at random and out of context of what was being discussed.
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Well then feel free not to respond to a reply someone else's question.
Well you did choose to bring the subject up, completely at random and out of context of what was being discussed.
It was more a comparison. To make a comparison sometimes you need to bring up other things that are not necessarily to do with the subject. Sorry for any confusion caused.
My point being that even if they were told that about transfer funds at the meeting its probably bollocks anyway.
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Is it live at local comedy club
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Back on topic there was a few more things suggested; to do with the media and certain players.
What are you getting at? Or are you on a wind up here?
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Back on topic there was a few more things suggested; to do with the media and certain players.
What are you getting at? Or are you on a wind up here?
Sherwood didn't rate Veretout as a Prem player and wanted to sell Gil. All the bad media the club is getting all started once Sherwood knew he was out of a job.
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Sherwood didn't rate Veretout as a Prem player and wanted to sell Gil. All the bad media the club is getting all started once Sherwood knew he was out of a job.
Hmm.... okay, so I can see that as an opinion on Veretout, but wanting to sell Gil? I'm not sure on that.
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Sherwood didn't rate Veretout as a Prem player and wanted to sell Gil. All the bad media the club is getting all started once Sherwood knew he was out of a job.
Hmm.... okay, so I can see that as an opinion on Veretout, but wanting to sell Gil? I'm not sure on that.
Believe what you want that's fine Chris however we all know your the one on a wind up look at your posts on this thread....... Look how you have treated reasonable and calm people on this thread like Dave and Dave Wodall trying to start a argument for no reason.
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Can you please not call me reasonable and calm? It's not far from there to generous and warm-hearted, which could ruin a reputation.
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Sherwood didn't rate Veretout as a Prem player and wanted to sell Gil. All the bad media the club is getting all started once Sherwood knew he was out of a job.
but wanting to sell Gil? I'm not sure on that.
I have it on pretty decent authority that he was actively looking to sell Gil. I believe I posted as much at the time.
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Gil was completely frozen out by Sherwood so I can well believe he wanted him out.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
There is a new Chairman in January plus an additional board member.
Will either of them have any experience in the role they will perform or will they be another couple promoted above and beyond their talents?
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
There is a new Chairman in January plus an additional board member.
Will either of them have any experience in the role they will perform or will they be another couple promoted above and beyond their talents?
hahaa ;D
oh.. you're serious.
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For anyone that went can I ask how did Fox come across? Was he full of narratives, false narratives as bollocks? Or did he sound like he even remotely knows what we are facing? Did anyone question him as to why we gave Gabby another massive contract or Lambert an extension on the back of 3 matches?
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Believe what you want that's fine Chris however we all know your the one on a wind up look at your posts on this thread....... Look how you have treated reasonable and calm people on this thread like Dave and Dave Wodall trying to start a argument for no reason.
Wind up? Friggin'ell, pal. I come in wondering what went on at this meeting, only for someone to apparently be spilling the beans. And while I want to believe I have to be sceptical. You could be anyone posting nonsence. Can you not see that? And as for how I treated others.... well, believe what you have to.
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Can you please not call me reasonable and calm? It's not far from there to generous and warm-hearted, which could ruin a reputation.
If there was a meeting with "important" supporters today - I don't understand why you were stood outside on the pavement flogging H&V?
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Believe what you want that's fine Chris however we all know your the one on a wind up look at your posts on this thread....... Look how you have treated reasonable and calm people on this thread like Dave and Dave Wodall trying to start a argument for no reason.
Wind up? Friggin'ell, pal. I come in wondering what went on at this meeting, only for someone to apparently be spilling the beans. And while I want to believe I have to be sceptical. You could be anyone posting nonsence. Can you not see that? And as for how I treated others.... well, believe what you have to.
Firstly its nonsense not 'nonsence'. If you look back at your last few points your just trying to wind people up for no reason? It's not my fault that I got told information and you Know F##k All is it? I wish I had posted this in the GM! But as you say believe what you want.
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Can you please not call me reasonable and calm? It's not far from there to generous and warm-hearted, which could ruin a reputation.
If there was a meeting with "important" supporters today - I don't understand why you were stood outside on the pavement flogging H&V?
Why do you think?
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Believe what you want that's fine Chris however we all know your the one on a wind up look at your posts on this thread....... Look how you have treated reasonable and calm people on this thread like Dave and Dave Wodall trying to start a argument for no reason.
Wind up? Friggin'ell, pal. I come in wondering what went on at this meeting, only for someone to apparently be spilling the beans. And while I want to believe I have to be sceptical. You could be anyone posting nonsence. Can you not see that? And as for how I treated others.... well, believe what you have to.
Firstly its nonsense not 'nonsence'. If you look back at your last few points your just trying to wind people up for no reason? It's not my fault that I got told information and you Know F##k All is it? I wish I had posted this in the GM! But as you say believe what you want.
I'll take your nonsense and raise you your failure to use "you're" if you're gonna be silly about it.
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Can you please not call me reasonable and calm? It's not far from there to generous and warm-hearted, which could ruin a reputation.
If there was a meeting with "important" supporters today - I don't understand why you were stood outside on the pavement flogging H&V?
It wasn't "important" supporters, I was there. Also, grow up, eh?
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Believe what you want that's fine Chris however we all know your the one on a wind up look at your posts on this thread....... Look how you have treated reasonable and calm people on this thread like Dave and Dave Wodall trying to start a argument for no reason.
Wind up? Friggin'ell, pal. I come in wondering what went on at this meeting, only for someone to apparently be spilling the beans. And while I want to believe I have to be sceptical. You could be anyone posting nonsence. Can you not see that? And as for how I treated others.... well, believe what you have to.
Firstly its nonsense not 'nonsence'. If you look back at your last few points your just trying to wind people up for no reason? It's not my fault that I got told information and you Know F##k All is it? I wish I had posted this in the GM! But as you say believe what you want.
I'll take your nonsense and raise you your failure to use "you're" if you're gonna be silly about it.
Auto correct off a iPhone to blame I'm afraid. I apologise.
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Believe what you want that's fine Chris however we all know your the one on a wind up look at your posts on this thread....... Look how you have treated reasonable and calm people on this thread like Dave and Dave Wodall trying to start a argument for no reason.
Wind up? Friggin'ell, pal. I come in wondering what went on at this meeting, only for someone to apparently be spilling the beans. And while I want to believe I have to be sceptical. You could be anyone posting nonsence. Can you not see that? And as for how I treated others.... well, believe what you have to.
Firstly its nonsense not 'nonsence'. If you look back at your last few points your just trying to wind people up for no reason? It's not my fault that I got told information and you Know F##k All is it? I wish I had posted this in the GM! But as you say believe what you want.
I'll take your nonsense and raise you your failure to use "you're" if you're gonna be silly about it.
If either of you are going to be silly will you please go elsewhere to do it.
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Believe what you want that's fine Chris however we all know your the one on a wind up look at your posts on this thread....... Look how you have treated reasonable and calm people on this thread like Dave and Dave Wodall trying to start a argument for no reason.
Wind up? Friggin'ell, pal. I come in wondering what went on at this meeting, only for someone to apparently be spilling the beans. And while I want to believe I have to be sceptical. You could be anyone posting nonsence. Can you not see that? And as for how I treated others.... well, believe what you have to.
Firstly its nonsense not 'nonsence'. If you look back at your last few points your just trying to wind people up for no reason? It's not my fault that I got told information and you Know F##k All is it? I wish I had posted this in the GM! But as you say believe what you want.
I'll take your nonsense and raise you your failure to use "you're" if you're gonna be silly about it.
If either of you are going to be silly will you please go elsewhere to do it.
Sorry. Chris, if you want to carry on we can take this to PM?
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Can you please not call me reasonable and calm? It's not far from there to generous and warm-hearted, which could ruin a reputation.
If there was a meeting with "important" supporters today - I don't understand why you were stood outside on the pavement flogging H&V?
It wasn't "important" supporters, I was there. Also, grow up, eh?
Putting yourself down there Joe, your important in my view.
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The Bells are Tolling rather than ringing.
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Gil was completely frozen out by Sherwood
Let it go, let it go!
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For anyone that went can I ask how did Fox come across? Was he full of narratives, false narratives as bollocks? Or did he sound like he even remotely knows what we are facing? Did anyone question him as to why we gave Gabby another massive contract or Lambert an extension on the back of 3 matches?
Probably told a pack of lies like he has ever since he rocked. Despise the man.
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I don't recall any mention of specific transfer funds. Fox and Garde are off to visit the chairman for a day this week though.
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Did the meeting actually take place?
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Gil was completely frozen out by Sherwood
Let it go, let it go!
You can take that Elsa-where.
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Did the meeting actually take place?
No it was just a work of fiction to see how many people could get irate about about something that was never going to appease those who are getting irate if had it really happened.
There is no new chairman but Fox still does believe in Father Christmas who has promised him 40 points from 3 games over Christmas.
There's no money for new players unless the Tooth Fairy pulls her finger out and starts bashing a few people in the gob with a hammer. First on the list is Tony Pulis for crimes against football. There's a prioritised list after that that includes the Golds and Sullivan, Marin le Penn, David Cameron and Kristian Thulesen Dahl along with the ghosts of Hitler, Pol Pot and Idi Amin.
Oh and Santa's giving Reilly a new copy of Football Manager and FIFA 16, just see how many people's heads can explode, just at the thought of it.
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Did the meeting actually take place?
No it was just a work of fiction to see how many people could get irate about about something that was never going to appease those who are getting irate if had it really happened.
I'd say it was pretty successful, then.
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There were eight attendees drawn from the assorted message boards, Lions Clubs and Aston Villa Supporters Trust.
The main topic of the meeting was that Tom Fox wished to clarify/rebut much of what has been reported in the press regarding the summer transfer window dealings. He was increasingly frustrated by repeated claims in the media that the transfer policy at Villa is conducted by a committee (a word he dislikes in this context). He explained the transfer process from identification to acquisition and that the manager has veto at all times at any point and that this structure exists for all clubs, not just Villa.
He specifically spoke of Tim Sherwood asserting in an interview in September that he had the final say on all the incoming players and he will live or die in the job by those players. Remi Garde has said similar in his first interview following his appointment. There's been no change in policy so there must be a reason why the emphasis on the committee has arisen since the change in manager.
Additionally, he spoke of the roles and remits of Paddy Reilly and Hendrik Almstadt, the former he believes is responsible for the recruitment of the better players in the squad and stressed that the latter has no direct responsibility for the playing side. He also admitted that the many aspects of the club, not just the playing side, have not been up to scratch for many years and that since he arrived he has been working at improving things wherever possible.
Also spoken about was that the club expect to appoint a new chairman and possibly board member imminently and that a new kit manufacturer should be announced in February. There was little time for direct questions from the attendees but perhaps the most obvious one was asked, namely funds available in January and the impression I got was that there would be though his initial answer was to quote Jurgen Klopp's response to a similar question being better training for the players you already have.
He was also asked about the situation with player contracts and spoke about the Delph situation, that he should never have been allowed to enter the last year of his deal and how he believes you will never see a player in the last year of his contract sign an extension like he did and that his actions brought in £8m that the club would otherwise not have seen had he left on a free.
That's all I remember but if anything else springs to mind, I'll add it.
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Thanks for posting that, Joe.
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Appreciate that Joe, sounds like it was mostly a rebuttal of some of tactics claims. I would have liked for him to have some time to be grilled on a lot of decisions that have been made during his tenure at the club.
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Thanks Joe. While it's nice that Delph did get us £8mil, the fact that the club then used this as a big PR coup did come back to bite them. It would have been nice to know if the timing of his actual leaving came about the same time that it was confirmed that Randy didn't have a buyer anymore of whether that was coincidental?
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No mention of pies, how dissapointing.
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There were eight attendees drawn from the assorted message boards, Lions Clubs and Aston Villa Supporters Trust.
The main topic of the meeting was that Tom Fox wished to clarify/rebut much of what has been reported in the press regarding the summer transfer window dealings. He was increasingly frustrated by repeated claims in the media that the transfer policy at Villa is conducted by a committee (a word he dislikes in this context). He explained the transfer process from identification to acquisition and that the manager has veto at all times at any point and that this structure exists for all clubs, not just Villa.
He specifically spoke of Tim Sherwood asserting in an interview in September that he had the final say on all the incoming players and he will live or die in the job by those players. Remi Garde has said similar in his first interview following his appointment. There's been no change in policy so there must be a reason why the emphasis on the committee has arisen since the change in manager.
Additionally, he spoke of the roles and remits of Paddy Reilly and Hendrik Almstadt, the former he believes is responsible for the recruitment of the better players in the squad and stressed that the latter has no direct responsibility for the playing side. He also admitted that the many aspects of the club, not just the playing side, have not been up to scratch for many years and that since he arrived he has been working at improving things wherever possible.
Also spoken about was that the club expect to appoint a new chairman and possibly board member imminently and that a new kit manufacturer should be announced in February. There was little time for direct questions from the attendees but perhaps the most obvious one was asked, namely funds available in January and the impression I got was that there would be though his initial answer was to quote Jurgen Klopp's response to a similar question being better training for the players you already have.
He was also asked about the situation with player contracts and spoke about the Delph situation, that he should never have been allowed to enter the last year of his deal and how he believes you will never see a player in the last year of his contract sign an extension like he did and that his actions brought in £8m that the club would otherwise not have seen had he left on a free.
That's all I remember but if anything else springs to mind, I'll add it.
Thanks
Have the press got hold of this yet?
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Thanks Joe, /closethread.
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Joe, without wanting to nag at you for more details could I ask what if any of Almstadts role was mentioned. If it's not directly to do with the playing side is it more the contracts of players? Such as Traore for £65k p/w?
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Bet they're pleased the Macon deal is coming to an end as the yes end up with a stack of unsellable shirts when we're in the Championship next season.
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There were eight attendees drawn from the assorted message boards, Lions Clubs and Aston Villa Supporters Trust.
The main topic of the meeting was that Tom Fox wished to clarify/rebut much of what has been reported in the press regarding the summer transfer window dealings. He was increasingly frustrated by repeated claims in the media that the transfer policy at Villa is conducted by a committee (a word he dislikes in this context). He explained the transfer process from identification to acquisition and that the manager has veto at all times at any point and that this structure exists for all clubs, not just Villa.
He specifically spoke of Tim Sherwood asserting in an interview in September that he had the final say on all the incoming players and he will live or die in the job by those players. Remi Garde has said similar in his first interview following his appointment. There's been no change in policy so there must be a reason why the emphasis on the committee has arisen since the change in manager.
Additionally, he spoke of the roles and remits of Paddy Reilly and Hendrik Almstadt, the former he believes is responsible for the recruitment of the better players in the squad and stressed that the latter has no direct responsibility for the playing side. He also admitted that the many aspects of the club, not just the playing side, have not been up to scratch for many years and that since he arrived he has been working at improving things wherever possible.
Also spoken about was that the club expect to appoint a new chairman and possibly board member imminently and that a new kit manufacturer should be announced in February. There was little time for direct questions from the attendees but perhaps the most obvious one was asked, namely funds available in January and the impression I got was that there would be though his initial answer was to quote Jurgen Klopp's response to a similar question being better training for the players you already have.
He was also asked about the situation with player contracts and spoke about the Delph situation, that he should never have been allowed to enter the last year of his deal and how he believes you will never see a player in the last year of his contract sign an extension like he did and that his actions brought in £8m that the club would otherwise not have seen had he left on a free.
That's all I remember but if anything else springs to mind, I'll add it.
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Thanks - some useful pointers.
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The analogy he used to describe Almstadt was that he is the hub of a wheel encompassing areas including but not exclusive to the academy, medical staff, training facilities, scouting and so on. His role is not necessarily above that of the manager at Villa though he acknowledged that other clubs operate the sporting director system differently.
He added that the old model of a manager with complete control over every aspect of the day to day running of the club is not compatible with the demands of the modern game and my interpretation is that Almstadt is in charge of the support network leaving the manager to focus solely on the playing side.
I don't recall any specific mention of him having any authority over contracts though that is not to say that Fox didn't or Almstadt doesn't. He did, however, mention in passing the reported terms of the Traore contract though, chuckling as he did so. Make of that what you will bearing in mind the main topic of conversation was the disparity between what the club does and what the papers say.
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Thanks so much for the update. Real food for thought. I think Lerner's Villa have always been quiet and it enables whatever the media report about the club to be circulated as the truth. Nice to hear the club's take on things though, and not just through the wishy-washy social media team.
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I have stuck the Trust's take on the meeting on the website. It goes in to the roles of Almstadt and Reilly quite deeply.
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It was good to get that up so quick Chelts. The Trust used to be quite slow at releasing news if it ever got out at all and it's really good to see Trust stuff being a bit more up to modern social media pace.
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As much as the now is utterly shit it is a culmination of events that has got us here. It didn't start this year or last. It started when Randy arrived. In fact it started before that and has just gotten worse through a number of very poor decisions that have not maximized the potential of our club.
As much as it is encouraging that they see the structural flaws and are working to fix them it won't be the focus of we go down. Much like there would have been significant challenges to any one of the clubs doing well today like Southampton that needed to be addressed. It wasn't always this rosy there but after a sustained and committed strategy they are a solid well run club.
We need a foundation and a for a long time we haven't had one. Hopefully, even if relegation is a part of it, we are building for more than the next year or two, something we have done too often across our history.
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Appreciate the reply Joe. This is another one of Villa's failings. Because and this is just to me, it may not be fact, we don't address the media often or forcefully enough rumours and falsehoods are left to fester and develop about us. Some would say to just ignore it, it deserves no response but that doesn't seem to work in this media driven world where they can quickly build a perception of you or what you are doing.
Villa need to speak up for themselves more.
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Not to be crass but was there an acknowledgement/embarassment shown for the thing we live and die by - results on the field?
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Tom Fox ~ as reported by joe_c:
The main topic of the meeting was that Tom Fox wished to clarify/rebut much of what has been reported in the press regarding the summer transfer window dealings. He was increasingly frustrated by repeated claims in the media that the transfer policy at Villa is conducted by a committee (a word he dislikes in this context). He explained the transfer process from identification to acquisition and that the manager has veto at all times at any point and that this structure exists for all clubs, not just Villa.
Alan Shearer ~ BBC:
My old Blackburn team-mate Tim Sherwood was sacked at the end of October but was in charge at the time those players were brought in.
I know Tim well, and I know he knows what the Premier League is all about - all 13 of those players were not his buys.
So, as well as looking at how badly Villa are struggling on the pitch, you also need to look at who is signing their players in the first place.
Seems the chasm of credibility is still wide open.
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Tom Fox ~ as reported by joe_c:
The main topic of the meeting was that Tom Fox wished to clarify/rebut much of what has been reported in the press regarding the summer transfer window dealings. He was increasingly frustrated by repeated claims in the media that the transfer policy at Villa is conducted by a committee (a word he dislikes in this context). He explained the transfer process from identification to acquisition and that the manager has veto at all times at any point and that this structure exists for all clubs, not just Villa.
Alan Shearer ~ BBC:
My old Blackburn team-mate Tim Sherwood was sacked at the end of October but was in charge at the time those players were brought in.
I know Tim well, and I know he knows what the Premier League is all about - all 13 of those players were not his buys.
So, as well as looking at how badly Villa are struggling on the pitch, you also need to look at who is signing their players in the first place.
Seems the chasm of credibility is still wide open.
Shearer also states that Sherwood was an old team mate of his. Influence by Sherwood on Shearer? Who knows?
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I know who I believe.
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Not to be crass but was there an acknowledgement/embarassment shown for the thing we live and die by - results on the field?
Do you think they are happy about that? What would you expect them to do? Apologize? They can't control what the players do or how they have played or that Kozak isn't picked etc. The meeting wasn't about that so what would bringing up the very obvious achieve?
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Not to be crass but was there an acknowledgement/embarassment shown for the thing we live and die by - results on the field?
Do you think they are happy about that? What would you expect them to do? Apologize? They can't control what the players do or how they have played or that Kozak isn't picked etc. The meeting wasn't about that so what would bringing up the very obvious achieve?
I expect an apology at the end of this season yes.
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Not to be crass but was there an acknowledgement/embarassment shown for the thing we live and die by - results on the field?
He's told us before that they are a "false narrative". Having this structure in place is all well and good, but if the personnel within the structure keep getting things wrong, then that isn't too comforting.
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Tom Fox ~ as reported by joe_c:
The main topic of the meeting was that Tom Fox wished to clarify/rebut much of what has been reported in the press regarding the summer transfer window dealings. He was increasingly frustrated by repeated claims in the media that the transfer policy at Villa is conducted by a committee (a word he dislikes in this context). He explained the transfer process from identification to acquisition and that the manager has veto at all times at any point and that this structure exists for all clubs, not just Villa.
Alan Shearer ~ BBC:
My old Blackburn team-mate Tim Sherwood was sacked at the end of October but was in charge at the time those players were brought in.
I know Tim well, and I know he knows what the Premier League is all about - all 13 of those players were not his buys.
So, as well as looking at how badly Villa are struggling on the pitch, you also need to look at who is signing their players in the first place.
Seems the chasm of credibility is still wide open.
All 13 players not his...at the very least Gestede and Lescott are his.
His cunning plan seemed to be Gestede and Adebayor up top with Townsend and Lemnon on the wings ..pioneering stuff.
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More coherent of a plan than playing Gestede up front with no crosses coming in and Alan Hutton as the outlet. Not defending tactics but the way we play is dumb.
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Seems the chasm of credibility is still wide open.
It is, but then the BBC don't seem to demand particularly high standards from their pundits.
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I know who I believe.
I fear it is not a choice of choosing your speaker.
My fear is that both camps may be correct, and Tactics either didn't know he had a veto or thought it was a democracy :D
Either way it leads to my biggest concern, and that is that there seems to be an institutionalised dysfunction within Villa Park management.
And not just on Fox's current watch, but going back to Randy and the General first setting out the parameters.
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If any of the experienced players were actually playing really well and was being let down by the other players, then I might have agreed with some of this pundits. However not one of them has made me think why didn't we trust all of Tims selections and had Townsend and Adebayour as well. And no pundit / reporter seems to ever make that point.
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If any of the experienced players were actually playing really well and was being let down by the other players, then I might have agreed with some of this pundits. However not one of them has made me think why didn't we trust all of Tims selections and had Townsend and Adebayour as well. And no pundit / reporter seems to ever make that point.
You've hit the nail on the head there. If I tell any neutral that the new players have generally been our better ones they don't believe me, instead preferring the lazy 'sherwood didn't sign the players' justification for our poor form.
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Our summer transfer business may have looked different had Sherwood done an O' Neill. It seems they at least learned to offer other options. Fox was absolutely resolute about his power of veto if he didn't want the player mind.
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Fox suggested Garde would have £20-30m in Jan; if he wanted to spend it.
Soucrse close to... deny that any figure was mentioned.
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Tom Fox ~ as reported by joe_c:
The main topic of the meeting was that Tom Fox wished to clarify/rebut much of what has been reported in the press regarding the summer transfer window dealings. He was increasingly frustrated by repeated claims in the media that the transfer policy at Villa is conducted by a committee (a word he dislikes in this context). He explained the transfer process from identification to acquisition and that the manager has veto at all times at any point and that this structure exists for all clubs, not just Villa.
Alan Shearer ~ BBC:
My old Blackburn team-mate Tim Sherwood was sacked at the end of October but was in charge at the time those players were brought in.
I know Tim well, and I know he knows what the Premier League is all about - all 13 of those players were not his buys.
So, as well as looking at how badly Villa are struggling on the pitch, you also need to look at who is signing their players in the first place.
Seems the chasm of credibility is still wide open.
All 13 players not his...at the very least Gestede and Lescott are his.
His cunning plan seemed to be Gestede and Adebayor up top with Townsend and Lemnon on the wings ..pioneering stuff.
Tim Sherwood knew what playing in the top division was about but like his pal Alan Shearer was found out very badly when it came to managing in the top division.
Townsend, Lennon and Adebayor are sh*te, wingers may have suited Gestede better mind
Would say Micah Richards was a Sherwood signing for sure too, 4 year deal and captaincy for a guy who last played regularly at centre back maybe 5 years previously
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I know who I believe.
I fear it is not a choice of choosing your speaker.
My fear is that both camps may be correct, and Tactics either didn't know he had a veto or thought it was a democracy :D
Either way it leads to my biggest concern, and that is that there seems to be an institutionalised dysfunction within Villa Park management.
And not just on Fox's current watch, but going back to Randy and the General first setting out the parameters.
Do you really think that an individual with an ego bigger than that of the combined population of Greater Manchester would have accepted anything other than final say and made bloody sure he used, just out of principle on a couple of "whatever" cases?
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You can sure as shit guarantee that whoever is telling the truth, Sherwood will be the one who's version will be believed because Vilal have a long and noble history of appallingly bad media relations dating back way, way before our current owners.
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Not to be crass but was there an acknowledgement/embarassment shown for the thing we live and die by - results on the field?
He's told us before that they are a "false narrative". Having this structure in place is all well and good, but if the personnel within the structure keep getting things wrong, then that isn't too comforting.
No he didn't.
"When things aren't going well, fans bay for that type of blood," Fox said.
"That's not the way that I or the owner are going to make a decision. It's a false narrative."
Suggesting that they'll sack the manager just because the fans want it is the false narrative.
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Not to be crass but was there an acknowledgement/embarassment shown for the thing we live and die by - results on the field?
Do you think they are happy about that? What would you expect them to do? Apologize? They can't control what the players do or how they have played or that Kozak isn't picked etc. The meeting wasn't about that so what would bringing up the very obvious achieve?
Hmm, that's a difficult one. I know what you mean, but then again, these are the people who appointed Tim Sherwood from a shortlist of one.
That's ultimately what is going to get us relegated.
They were also the same people who dished out a new four year contract to Paul Lambert after a reasonably good first four games of the season. There will be a lot of finger pointing when we go down, and they'll deserve an awful lot of it.
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Fox suggested Garde would have £20-30m in Jan; if he wanted to spend it.
Soucrse close to... deny that any figure was mentioned.
If your source is Joe, which I imagine he was as he was sent from H&V has admitted he doesn't remember hearing a figure? The person that told me all the information I posted, which has seemed to be backed up by everyone else? Mentioned this maybe he happened to remember this and Joe didn't?
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I wouldn't give this recruitment team 20-30p to go down the shops, let alone £30m. Just imagine what they'll come up with next.
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Tom Fox ~ as reported by joe_c:
The main topic of the meeting was that Tom Fox wished to clarify/rebut much of what has been reported in the press regarding the summer transfer window dealings. He was increasingly frustrated by repeated claims in the media that the transfer policy at Villa is conducted by a committee (a word he dislikes in this context). He explained the transfer process from identification to acquisition and that the manager has veto at all times at any point and that this structure exists for all clubs, not just Villa.
Alan Shearer ~ BBC:
My old Blackburn team-mate Tim Sherwood was sacked at the end of October but was in charge at the time those players were brought in.
I know Tim well, and I know he knows what the Premier League is all about - all 13 of those players were not his buys.
So, as well as looking at how badly Villa are struggling on the pitch, you also need to look at who is signing their players in the first place.
Seems the chasm of credibility is still wide open.
This would be the same Alan Shearer on record as saying Villa fans didn't give Alex McLeish a chance because he came directly from that shower down the road, yes?
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Hmm, that's a difficult one. I know what you mean, but then again, these are the people who appointed Tim Sherwood from a shortlist of one.
That's ultimately what is going to get us relegated.
They were also the same people who dished out a new four year contract to Paul Lambert after a reasonably good first four games of the season. There will be a lot of finger pointing when we go down, and they'll deserve an awful lot of it.
THANK YOU
Not made many posts, but everytime I do, I seem to get blathered. :)
OK...I didn't rate Tactics last season, and suffered the wrath of those who said he was the 'Messiah'. THOSE people changed their opinion without missing a beat~~~football eh?
I hated Ray Wilkins, always have, and got equal abuse when I mentioned his "Sack-Record"...add us to that impressive list.
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What I meant earlier about dysfunctional management, is that from the incept of Randy and the General, we had a "Laissez-faire" ATTITUDE TO RESPONSIBILTY.
There seems, in retrospect, no guidelines of accountabilty imposed on Martin.
They were on Alex, more severley than on Paul, the next year..
It was really an amateur organisation of management controls. throughout ~ imo.
Lambert had 2 coaches sacked, beneath him ~ he accepted it. Was allowed to employ a guy as an Asst Coach months later, who just wanted a platform for 'Press Conferences" about his latest book....more journos at VP than in his back garden eh ?
Sanity here ? Management Control Here ?
So we got "Tactics Tim", a guy nobody outside the London meeja ever rated.
He was Messiah for a bit, like Lambert was to McLeish, but the ad-hoc, undetermined management ...remained.
Who Decides WHAT ?
Who STOPS this or that ?
WHO is empowered to make a decision on everything from seeds for a pitch to the next Thiery Henry ?
It's all casual. It's all left to the "professionals". And those 'pros' are rubbish.
Like Faulkner, like the General....ultimately like Randy Lerner.
There is a severe dysfunction in VP management~~imo.
Tom Fox is the latest.
Paddy can join him in a good pay-off I think.
Born at Arsenal, seeking Wenger's advice, these non-footie people think they've got the next Fabregas, the next Henry...all they are is another example of Randy's TOTAL lack of control and INTEREST in VILLA.
DYSFUNCTIONAL...and AMATEUR MANAGEMENT
It Starts At The Top~~ not through delegated blame-worthies.
Randy Lerner ....WIMP...INCOMPETENT..USELESS....... OK ?
Randy and his Macho General, never impressed me. It might have done to USA fans at Browns, don't work here. We have brains.
The "Dysfunction" like an out-of-control-family, started with Lerner and his innocence with Matin ~ imo~ got tougher later, but still he laid down no controls until we have Fox and Sherwood both disputing their own roles.
THAT...is a breakdown in management communication, not just a PR trick.
:( :(
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I think I remember you, alftitmus, from your purple paragraph headings.
You make some very good points there and if it turns out that I was part of the blathering I will very sad in my sack.
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There were eight attendees drawn from the assorted message boards, Lions Clubs and Aston Villa Supporters Trust.
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I assume that the reason for that was an expectation that whatever was disclosed was disseminated on to as wide a (Villa) audience as possible. Which makes one the spats earlier in this thread a little hard to understand but thank you for putting it here all the same.
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OK...I didn't rate Tactics last season, and suffered the wrath of those who said he was the 'Messiah'. THOSE people changed their opinion without missing a beat~~~football eh?
You really do live in your own little world don't you?
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Fox suggested Garde would have £20-30m in Jan; if he wanted to spend it.
Soucrse close to... deny that any figure was mentioned.
If your source is Joe, which I imagine he was as he was sent from H&V has admitted he doesn't remember hearing a figure? The person that told me all the information I posted, which has seemed to be backed up by everyone else? Mentioned this maybe he happened to remember this and Joe didn't?
I don't recall any mention of specific funds either. When asked, he talked about Klopp arriving at Liverpool and saying he would coach them better. That was followed with a question about Houllier and our Bent shopping in the January. Fox categorically stated we wouldn't be doing anything like that.
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Fox suggested Garde would have £20-30m in Jan; if he wanted to spend it.
Soucrse close to... deny that any figure was mentioned.
If your source is Joe, which I imagine he was as he was sent from H&V has admitted he doesn't remember hearing a figure? The person that told me all the information I posted, which has seemed to be backed up by everyone else? Mentioned this maybe he happened to remember this and Joe didn't?
I don't recall any mention of specific funds either. When asked, he talked about Klopp arriving at Liverpool and saying he would coach them better. That was followed with a question about Houllier and our Bent shopping in the January. Fox categorically stated we wouldn't be doing anything like that.
Thinking back I seem to recall £30m being mentioned only in the context that such a sum wouldn't be lashed out on a single player a la Darren Bent, not as a potential amount we have to spend.
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Is it me or didn't TS not come out and thank the chairman for backin him in the transfer market?? If the players were not his then why did he do that?
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If any of the experienced players were actually playing really well and was being let down by the other players, then I might have agreed with some of this pundits. However not one of them has made me think why didn't we trust all of Tims selections and had Townsend and Adebayour as well. And no pundit / reporter seems to ever make that point.
For Townsend read Grealish. Promising few games. Much to prove
Lennon - can't remember a game he played in the last 3 years of any note whatsoever. Gabby Mk II
Adebayor - 100k a week and he'd be spending time in Africa for a month or two having scored 8 goals in his first 8 games, 5 of which were v Notts County.
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Not to be crass but was there an acknowledgement/embarassment shown for the thing we live and die by - results on the field?
Do you think they are happy about that? What would you expect them to do? Apologize? They can't control what the players do or how they have played or that Kozak isn't picked etc. The meeting wasn't about that so what would bringing up the very obvious achieve?
It might provide a bit of harmony, a bit of comfort for the fans, something to show that the powers that be care or at least care that we care.
Even if it's lip service, at least saying something like ''We know that the results have been poor - we know that for a long time season ticket-holders haven't got value when it comes to results on the field - but we are working our arses off to support the manager and playing staff as best we can'' would be better than not saying it at all and it strikes me that a meeting with a small group of fans who clearly care a lot, would be the ideal opportunity. Otherwise it's a horrible elephant in the room.
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https://audioboom.com/boos/3960001-tom-fox-talks-about-remi-garde-relegation-fears-new-chairman-and-more
This patronising plank really doesn't have a clue.
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https://audioboom.com/boos/3960001-tom-fox-talks-about-remi-garde-relegation-fears-new-chairman-and-more
This patronising plank really doesn't have a clue.
What do you expect him to say?
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https://audioboom.com/boos/3960001-tom-fox-talks-about-remi-garde-relegation-fears-new-chairman-and-more
This patronising plank really doesn't have a clue.
What do you expect him to say?
and I don't see anything patronizing about what he said.
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https://audioboom.com/boos/3960001-tom-fox-talks-about-remi-garde-relegation-fears-new-chairman-and-more
This patronising plank really doesn't have a clue.
What do you expect him to say?
I certainly don't expect to hear him waffle on about how the commercial side. I'd say 90% of fans couldn't care less. As for Reilly being really important to Lerner, words fail me.
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https://audioboom.com/boos/3960001-tom-fox-talks-about-remi-garde-relegation-fears-new-chairman-and-more
This patronising plank really doesn't have a clue.
What do you expect him to say?
I certainly don't expect to hear him waffle on about how the commercial side. I'd say 90% of fans couldn't care less. As for Reilly being really important to Lerner, words fail me.
Did you even listen to the entire thing? Because by the sounds of it you stopped listening when he was discussing the commercial side and missed everything else afterwards.
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https://audioboom.com/boos/3960001-tom-fox-talks-about-remi-garde-relegation-fears-new-chairman-and-more
This patronising plank really doesn't have a clue.
What do you expect him to say?
I certainly don't expect to hear him waffle on about how the commercial side. I'd say 90% of fans couldn't care less. As for Reilly being really important to Lerner, words fail me.
Did you even listen to the entire thing? Because by the sounds of it you stopped listening when he was discussing the commercial side and missed everything else afterwards.
I did listen to the whole thing. I would say he's a total blagger. I wouldn't trust him to run a bath, never mind a football club.
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https://audioboom.com/boos/3960001-tom-fox-talks-about-remi-garde-relegation-fears-new-chairman-and-more
This patronising plank really doesn't have a clue.
What do you expect him to say?
I certainly don't expect to hear him waffle on about how the commercial side. I'd say 90% of fans couldn't care less. As for Reilly being really important to Lerner, words fail me.
Did you even listen to the entire thing? Because by the sounds of it you stopped listening when he was discussing the commercial side and missed everything else afterwards.
I did listen to the whole thing. I would say he's a total blagger. I wouldn't trust him to run a bath, never mind a football club.
very good, so an educated and mature response. I was really hoping for you to explain how he was patronizing which you have conveniently avoided.
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He's in charge of a business; it's only natural that he put a positive spin on everything.
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https://audioboom.com/boos/3960001-tom-fox-talks-about-remi-garde-relegation-fears-new-chairman-and-more
This patronising plank really doesn't have a clue.
What do you expect him to say?
I certainly don't expect to hear him waffle on about how the commercial side. I'd say 90% of fans couldn't care less. As for Reilly being really important to Lerner, words fail me.
Did you even listen to the entire thing? Because by the sounds of it you stopped listening when he was discussing the commercial side and missed everything else afterwards.
I did listen to the whole thing. I would say he's a total blagger. I wouldn't trust him to run a bath, never mind a football club.
very good, so an educated and mature response. I was really hoping for you to explain how he was patronizing which you have conveniently avoided.
Like raving about the away support when we've starting taking the smallest available allocation.
Like saying he doesn't understand why people think Lerner should actually get his backside over here and show a bit of interest.
Like saying Lerner loves the club. Does he really expect people to believe that?
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Have to say, you'd never guess we were on our longest run without a league win in our history from that interview.
I accept he needs to come across as positive but I'd like to understand why he thinks the last 4 months have been so wretched.
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LTA, I'm not engaging in a quotathon. He's complimented the supporters and repeatedly said the playing side hasn't been good enough. That isn't patronising. Randy being here or not isn't an issue. Have you noticed it is nearly 2016 and they can talk to or see Randy every day. It's not like he has to physically be at the club to influence or make decisions. What if actually does love the club and has just made a number of bad decisions? Does that make him not love it?
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Seriously what will he say? We're on a losing run because the owner's absent, there has been a lack of investment, and poor management and sigings for the team? he has to remain positive not only if he wants to keep his job but also to look attractive to any potential investors.
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Fair play to Tom Ross for not bottling it.
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One thing that still leaves me confused is squaring the the statement about only putting proper building blocks in place for the long term future in the last year if Sherwood was his only choice at the time of lamberts sacking. Presumably Sherwood was to be part of that long term vision then?
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LTA, I'm not engaging in a quotathon. He's complimented the supporters and repeatedly said the playing side hasn't been good enough. That isn't patronising. Randy being here or not isn't an issue. Have you noticed it is nearly 2016 and they can talk to or see Randy every day. It's not like he has to physically be at the club to influence or make decisions. What if actually does love the club and has just made a number of bad decisions? Does that make him not love it?
So doesn't he fly in? Why do they have to fly out?
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LTA, I'm not engaging in a quotathon. He's complimented the supporters and repeatedly said the playing side hasn't been good enough. That isn't patronising. Randy being here or not isn't an issue. Have you noticed it is nearly 2016 and they can talk to or see Randy every day. It's not like he has to physically be at the club to influence or make decisions. What if actually does love the club and has just made a number of bad decisions? Does that make him not love it?
Christ you don't really think he loves the club do you?
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LTA, I'm not engaging in a quotathon. He's complimented the supporters and repeatedly said the playing side hasn't been good enough. That isn't patronising. Randy being here or not isn't an issue. Have you noticed it is nearly 2016 and they can talk to or see Randy every day. It's not like he has to physically be at the club to influence or make decisions. What if actually does love the club and has just made a number of bad decisions? Does that make him not love it?
Christ you don't really think he loves the club do you?
I too find it a strange expression. Like a 14 year-old saying he loves some girl in his class.
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He loves shummamites more.
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LTA, I'm not engaging in a quotathon. He's complimented the supporters and repeatedly said the playing side hasn't been good enough. That isn't patronising. Randy being here or not isn't an issue. Have you noticed it is nearly 2016 and they can talk to or see Randy every day. It's not like he has to physically be at the club to influence or make decisions. What if actually does love the club and has just made a number of bad decisions? Does that make him not love it?
Christ you don't really think he loves the club do you?
In truth I don't give a shit if he does or not. All I care about is that he does the right thing by it. I don't see that or his presence at the club as a topic worthy of discussion. All that matters is that he makes good decisions and over the past few years he hasn't made enough of them.
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LTA, I'm not engaging in a quotathon. He's complimented the supporters and repeatedly said the playing side hasn't been good enough. That isn't patronising. Randy being here or not isn't an issue. Have you noticed it is nearly 2016 and they can talk to or see Randy every day. It's not like he has to physically be at the club to influence or make decisions. What if actually does love the club and has just made a number of bad decisions? Does that make him not love it?
So doesn't he fly in? Why do they have to fly out?
He was at the club a few weeks ago just after Garde joined.
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I bet he went for a long lie down after coming all this way.Bless him.
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LTA, I'm not engaging in a quotathon. He's complimented the supporters and repeatedly said the playing side hasn't been good enough. That isn't patronising. Randy being here or not isn't an issue. Have you noticed it is nearly 2016 and they can talk to or see Randy every day. It's not like he has to physically be at the club to influence or make decisions. What if actually does love the club and has just made a number of bad decisions? Does that make him not love it?
Christ you don't really think he loves the club do you?
In truth I don't give a shit if he does or not. All I care about is that he does the right thing by it. I don't see that or his presence at the club as a topic worthy of discussion. All that matters is that he makes good decisions and over the past few years he hasn't made enough of them.
Is there a more invisible owner in the league?
It may be irrelevant but I would really like to see a side-by-side of matches attended, training ground appearances and player interaction.
There are some really crap owners throughout the football league that would kill to have our infrastructure and status. Comparatively you look at Mike Ashley, he might be a bit of a quack but at least he shows his face through the good and bad.
Randy has just irritated me so much over the last few years. I cannot wait to see the back of him. I don't buy anything he or his CEOs say any more. Wanting to completely rebuild the club and employing Tim Sherwood is an oxymoron.
Rant over. God, I hate this.
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How visible is Sheik Mansoor or Joe Lewis?
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
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See also my comments on the same thread. Lerner bashing is not going to rewrite a single line of Aston Villa history. It is time to deal with the circumstances as they are, not how we would have liked them to be.
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See also my comments on the same thread. Lerner bashing is not going to rewrite a single line of Aston Villa history. It is time to deal with the circumstances as they are, not how we would have liked them to be.
Either way, and regardless of how eloquent or clever we are in describing or debating this, it will not make the slightest difference.
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.
I'm glad that Randy does care so much about Villa. Imagine the shit we'd be in if he didn't......
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
Because he would have been 100% guaranteed to lose the £100m+ Premiership Tv rights if he did. Pocketing £40m to lose £100m is something not even that gorm is stupid enough to do.
As it was, he did the bare minimum, and that calculated gamble has spectacularly back fired in our faces with our mammoth 6 pts and certain relegation.
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.
If you think this is Randy caring for the club I'd hate to think of the state of the Villa when and if you'd ever claim he didn't give a flying shite about us.
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Caring for something means putting time, energy, thought and enthusiasm in to it. I'm surprised there still are people who are naïve enough to think Randy Lerner cares about Aston Villa. He threw some money at it for a couple of years and then basically pulled out, a step up from some of the terrible mercenary owners English football has had but way below the owners that have actually cared for their clubs.
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
Because he would have been 100% guaranteed to lose the £100m+ Premiership Tv rights if he did. Pocketing £40m to lose £100m is something not even that gorm is stupid enough to do.
As it was, he did the bare minimum, and that calculated gamble has spectacularly back fired in our faces with our mammoth 6 pts and certain relegation.
That made me laugh. Partly because I can actually imagine Lerner contemplating doing it for a brief moment.
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.
I'm glad that Randy does care so much about Villa. Imagine the shit we'd be in if he didn't......
You beat me to it, Chico. Aside from the predictable 'CEO justifies his position' BS from Fox in the interview, I uttered the biggest stream of industrial language when he (Fox) assured us that Lerner loves this club. No wonder we're fecked & heading for lower-league oblivion. >:(
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LTA, I'm not engaging in a quotathon. He's complimented the supporters and repeatedly said the playing side hasn't been good enough. That isn't patronising. Randy being here or not isn't an issue. Have you noticed it is nearly 2016 and they can talk to or see Randy every day. It's not like he has to physically be at the club to influence or make decisions. What if actually does love the club and has just made a number of bad decisions? Does that make him not love it?
So why is Garde having to go to America to see the chairman for he can just chat on Skype? Lerner owns the club and has a private jet. Surely it's not asking too much for him to drag his arse over here instead of insisting everyone runs around for him. How can he possibly have a grasp of what's happening here when he's not around to see for himself?
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.
If you think this is Randy caring for the club I'd hate to think of the state of the Villa when and if you'd ever claim he didn't give a flying shite about us.
But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.
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But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.
Maybe he can't. Flog it, that is.
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Caring for something means putting time, energy, thought and enthusiasm in to it. I'm surprised there still are people who are naïve enough to think Randy Lerner cares about Aston Villa. He threw some money at it for a couple of years and then basically pulled out, a step up from some of the terrible mercenary owners English football has had but way below the owners that have actually cared for their clubs.
Some money? £250m is an awful lot just to be called 'some'. If it suits your argument though.
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But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.
Maybe he can't. Flog it, that is.
Or maybe he hasn't had the right offer for him and the club, who knows.
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Caring for something means putting time, energy, thought and enthusiasm in to it. I'm surprised there still are people who are naïve enough to think Randy Lerner cares about Aston Villa. He threw some money at it for a couple of years and then basically pulled out, a step up from some of the terrible mercenary owners English football has had but way below the owners that have actually cared for their clubs.
Some money? £250m is an awful lot just to be called 'some'. If it suits your argument though.
I suppose the sum of £250m could be described as 'some money' dependent on how much you had to start with.
If I put a few grand into something that would be a huge amount for me, but would just be 'some money' to others.
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How visible is Sheik Mansoor or Joe Lewis?
Can you see them from the ISS?
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.
If you think this is Randy caring for the club I'd hate to think of the state of the Villa when and if you'd ever claim he didn't give a flying shite about us.
But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.
Perhaps he thinks that the wonderful re-structuring of late will ensure the club will storm back into the Premiershite: thus meaning he claws back some more of his clueless investment? He may well want out, but I can't see a queue of wannabe owners ever leaping at the chance to spend the money that Lerner wants for the club - particularly when they'de be purchasing a veritable basket-case. But really thereby lies the crux of the issue i.e. Villa supporters will never know what he's actually intending because he's never answerable to any of our ever-growing concerns.
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How visible is Sheik Mansoor or Joe Lewis?
Can you see them from the ISS?
I don't suppose it matters how visible they are (I had to Google Lewis) as long as they're doing well.
If their on-pitch luck changed then it might become an issue.
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.
If you think this is Randy caring for the club I'd hate to think of the state of the Villa when and if you'd ever claim he didn't give a flying shite about us.
But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.
Perhaps he thinks that the wonderful re-structuring of late will ensure the club will storm back into the Premiershite: thus meaning he claws back some more of his clueless investment? He may well want out, but I can't see a queue of wannabe owners ever leaping at the chance to spend the money that Lerner wants for the club - particularly when they'de be purchasing a veritable basket-case. But really thereby lies the crux of the issue i.e. Villa supporters will never know what he's actually intending because he's never answerable to any of our ever-growing concerns.
You call it 'clueless investment', some of which was wasted, but I presume you'd like him to cluelessly invest some more?
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I call it clueless, Clampy, because his investment & 'stewardship' over the last 5 years has taken us from top 6 finishes to dead-cert' relegation merchants. Had his approach been different from the off then perhaps we wouldn't be in this dreadfully depressing state now. Unfortunately I have zero confidence in his leadership skills and business acumen when it come to owning sports clubs & I can't see how Villa will ever prosper all the time our invisible owner hangs onto his ailing 'love'.
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How visible is Sheik Mansoor or Joe Lewis?
Can you see them from the ISS?
I don't suppose it matters how visible they are (I had to Google Lewis) as long as they're doing well.
If their on-pitch luck changed then it might become an issue.
If he turned up to every defeat would people suddenly be happy? Of course not.
It doesn't matter where in the world he is as long as he has employed competent people to make sure we're run properly.
Which is the problem, not whether he chooses to live in Sutton Coldfield or New York.
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If he turned up to every defeat would people suddenly be happy? Of course not.
Of course not, but it would perhaps illustrate an interest. A visible indication that it is on his mind.
As opposed to the discarded toy of a child who prefers to play with the box it came in.
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Even if we were top of the league and flying, he'd maybe not spend time over here either, but then no-one would care too much.
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Even if we were top of the league and flying, he'd maybe not spend time over here either, but then no-one would care too much.
Which is the point I made further up the last page where I quoted Jon.
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How visible is Sheik Mansoor or Joe Lewis?
Can you see them from the ISS?
I don't suppose it matters how visible they are (I had to Google Lewis) as long as they're doing well.
If their on-pitch luck changed then it might become an issue.
If he turned up to every defeat would people suddenly be happy? Of course not.
It doesn't matter where in the world he is as long as he has employed competent people to make sure we're run properly.
Which is the problem, not whether he chooses to live in Sutton Coldfield or New York.
Spot-on Dave, but I personally think it would be additionally beneficial to us all if he could find a way of communicating with the folk who also love this club & give us all a modicum of confidence in these retched times. Sadly, it doesn't appear to be an intrinsic part of his MO though... :(
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Even if we were top of the league and flying, he'd maybe not spend time over here either, but then no-one would care too much.
It would be an absolute pleasure to test your theory out! :D
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I personally think it would be additionally beneficial to us all if he could find a way of communicating with the folk who also love this club & give us all a modicum of confidence in these retched times
I don't really see what good it would do.
Let's say that on Monday morning there's a long message from Lerner on the official site basically saying "yes, we've massively screwed up over the last ten years or so, made some horrendous decisions, we apologise to the supporters and we're doing what we can to put it right. Shummanite over and out", it would be greeted with some people indifferent, some people shouting "don't tell me, show me" and some people shouting that he's not spending enough money.
I don't think that there's much he can say that will make people any more or less confident than they are already.
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.
If you think this is Randy caring for the club I'd hate to think of the state of the Villa when and if you'd ever claim he didn't give a flying shite about us.
But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.
There were no buyers at the price he was asking, so he thought he could just bumble along until the right buyer turned up investing what he thought was the minimum amount to survive. His plan backfired because he can not be bothered enough to take a real interest.
As I keep asking, please let's have a list of his achievements other than inheriting a fortune.
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As I keep asking, please let's have a list of his achievements other than inheriting a fortune.
Why do you keep asking people for that? You could probably look it up on Wikipedia as well as anybody else.
I'm not sure what point it would prove though.
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As I keep asking, please let's have a list of his achievements other than inheriting a fortune.
Why do you keep asking people for that? You could probably look it up on Wikipedia as well as anybody else.
I'm not sure what point it would prove though.
The point is that despite the fact that Lerners mis-management of this club has bought us to this position there are still people trying to defend him.
They think that because he is rich that there is some level of competency which is obviously not the case.
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They think that because he is rich that there is some level of competency which is obviously not the case.
Would you care to quote any post which backs up this rather absurd claim?
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I think we should have protested more against Lerner, and should do more in the future. He is 'trying' to sell, or has been, but not hard enough. He thought he could sit pretty with us as a PL club until the right buyer for him came along (i.e. met his asking price), when in reality we'd have been better off if he'd sold it for a bit less. There isn't loads we can do but at the very least we need to make our feelings clear, anti-Lerner chants, banners (only one I've seen was the 'too little, too late - Lerner out' at Newcastle away last season).
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They think that because he is rich that there is some level of competency which is obviously not the case.
Would you care to quote any post which backs up this rather absurd claim?
Well I can not find any other explanation for people's continued defence of him.
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I personally think it would be additionally beneficial to us all if he could find a way of communicating with the folk who also love this club & give us all a modicum of confidence in these retched times
I don't really see what good it would do.
Let's say that on Monday morning there's a long message from Lerner on the official site basically saying "yes, we've massively screwed up over the last ten years or so, made some horrendous decisions, we apologise to the supporters and we're doing what we can to put it right. Shummanite over and out", it would be greeted with some people indifferent, some people shouting "don't tell me, show me" and some people shouting that he's not spending enough money.
I don't think that there's much he can say that will make people any more or less confident than they are already.
You could well be right, but I'd like to see your assertions put to the test. Perhaps I'm guilty of a lack of acceptance of the facts, but I just can't handle standing (or sitting) by, powerlessly viewing the demise of our football club. I reckon I could do with a virtual hug.
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They think that because he is rich that there is some level of competency which is obviously not the case.
Would you care to quote any post which backs up this rather absurd claim?
Well I can not find any other explanation for people's continued defence of him.
Again, where is this 'continued defence'?
I'm pretty sure you'll have to go back years to find a post suggesting that his running of the club has been anything other than rubbish.
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I think we should have protested more against Lerner, and should do more in the future. He is 'trying' to sell, or has been, but not hard enough. He thought he could sit pretty with us as a PL club until the right buyer for him came along (i.e. met his asking price), when in reality we'd have been better off if he'd sold it for a bit less. There isn't loads we can do but at the very least we need to make our feelings clear, anti-Lerner chants, banners (only one I've seen was the 'too little, too late' at Newcastle away last season).
And what good would it do? Is he suddenly going to think, "Hmmm, someone's scrawled Lerner Out on a sheet and they're saying rude words about me. I'll knock fifty million off the price"?
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They think that because he is rich that there is some level of competency which is obviously not the case.
Would you care to quote any post which backs up this rather absurd claim?
Well I can not find any other explanation for people's continued defence of him.
Again, where is this 'continued defence'?
I'm pretty sure you'll have to go back years to find a post suggesting that his running of the club has been anything other than rubbish.
You only have to look on this thread and the Randy Lerner thread to see these, I will bump them.
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.
If you think this is Randy caring for the club I'd hate to think of the state of the Villa when and if you'd ever claim he didn't give a flying shite about us.
But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.
Here you go Dave.
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I think we should have protested more against Lerner, and should do more in the future. He is 'trying' to sell, or has been, but not hard enough. He thought he could sit pretty with us as a PL club until the right buyer for him came along (i.e. met his asking price), when in reality we'd have been better off if he'd sold it for a bit less. There isn't loads we can do but at the very least we need to make our feelings clear, anti-Lerner chants, banners (only one I've seen was the 'too little, too late' at Newcastle away last season).
And what good would it do? Is he suddenly going to think, "Hmmm, someone's scrawled Lerner Out on a sheet and they're saying rude words about me. I'll knock fifty million off the price"?
It's not as black and white as that, but we should be ramping up the pressure, it's all very meek at Villa currently. Everton fans do marches almost annually against Bill Kenwright to try and ramp up the pressure on him to sell, and this is whilst they consistently finish top 8. I think people are too worried about what the media will say if we protest, but it's our club and we are going out of the top flight for the first time in 30 years with a whimper.
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.
If you think this is Randy caring for the club I'd hate to think of the state of the Villa when and if you'd ever claim he didn't give a flying shite about us.
But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.
Here you go Dave.
How exactly is that a defence of his ownership?
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I think we should have protested more against Lerner, and should do more in the future. He is 'trying' to sell, or has been, but not hard enough. He thought he could sit pretty with us as a PL club until the right buyer for him came along (i.e. met his asking price), when in reality we'd have been better off if he'd sold it for a bit less. There isn't loads we can do but at the very least we need to make our feelings clear, anti-Lerner chants, banners (only one I've seen was the 'too little, too late' at Newcastle away last season).
And what good would it do? Is he suddenly going to think, "Hmmm, someone's scrawled Lerner Out on a sheet and they're saying rude words about me. I'll knock fifty million off the price"?
It's not as black and white as that, but we should be ramping up the pressure, it's all very meek at Villa currently. Everton fans do marches almost annually against Bill Kenwright to try and ramp up the pressure on him to sell, and this is whilst they consistently finish top 8. I think people are too worried about what the media will say if we protest, but it's our club and we are going out of the top flight for the first time in 30 years with a whimper.
I'll say it again. Do what, and to what end? He wants to sell, there are no buyers. Nothing is going to change the situation until someone turns up with ¿150 million +.
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I think we should have protested more against Lerner, and should do more in the future. He is 'trying' to sell, or has been, but not hard enough. He thought he could sit pretty with us as a PL club until the right buyer for him came along (i.e. met his asking price), when in reality we'd have been better off if he'd sold it for a bit less. There isn't loads we can do but at the very least we need to make our feelings clear, anti-Lerner chants, banners (only one I've seen was the 'too little, too late' at Newcastle away last season).
And what good would it do? Is he suddenly going to think, "Hmmm, someone's scrawled Lerner Out on a sheet and they're saying rude words about me. I'll knock fifty million off the price"?
It's not as black and white as that, but we should be ramping up the pressure, it's all very meek at Villa currently. Everton fans do marches almost annually against Bill Kenwright to try and ramp up the pressure on him to sell, and this is whilst they consistently finish top 8. I think people are too worried about what the media will say if we protest, but it's our club and we are going out of the top flight for the first time in 30 years with a whimper.
I'll say it again. Do what, and to what end? He wants to sell, there are no buyers. Nothing is going to change the situation until someone turns up with ¿150 million +.
Marches, protests, whatever we can to make our feelings clear against him. He doesn't exactly enjoy being in the limelight. There has been interest, HH was involved in a failed takeover in the summer for one. He wants to sell for his price, whereas for the good of the club we need him out sooner rather than later. He's looking after himself, and trying to actually show some business acumen for once in his life.
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Marching down Trinity Road is going to make him sell to a credible new owner at a knockdown price. Somehow, I doubt it.
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Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?
I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.
If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.
And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.
If you think this is Randy caring for the club I'd hate to think of the state of the Villa when and if you'd ever claim he didn't give a flying shite about us.
But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.
Here you go Dave.
You seem to have as solid an idea of what 'defence' means as Kieran Richardson does.
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I'm sure there are lots of fans who would rather do something, just for the small chance that it may make him feel slightly more uncomfortable in his position and ease up a little on who he sees as suitable custodians or his asking price.
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I'm sure there are lots of fans who would rather do something, just for the small chance that it may make him feel slightly more uncomfortable in his position and ease up a little on who he sees as suitable custodians or his asking price.
Go ahead and do it then. Just don't moan when he doesn't do what you want.
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Lerner would be delighted for anything fans could do to help him sell the club.
Price does not seem to be a factor. There is a reason nobody wants to buy PL clubs, it is a terrible business to be in and there is a limit to the amount of mega rich who a.) like English football b.) like it enough to throw away hundreds of millions every year to compete.
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Lerner would be delighted for anything fans could do to help him sell the club.
Price does not seem to be a factor. There is a reason nobody wants to buy PL clubs, it is a terrible business to be in and there is a limit to the amount of mega rich who a.) like English football b.) like it enough to throw away hundreds of millions every year to compete.
Throwing away hundreds of millions every year is a massive exaggeration. The teams occupying 6th, 7th and 8th in the league at the moment haven't had to spend anything like those kind of sums. Josh Harris and a fellow American have just invested 100 million in Crystal Palace, says it all about the way we are being run compared to clubs like them that they are seen as a more attractive proposition.
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Lerner would be delighted for anything fans could do to help him sell the club.
Price does not seem to be a factor. There is a reason nobody wants to buy PL clubs, it is a terrible business to be in and there is a limit to the amount of mega rich who a.) like English football b.) like it enough to throw away hundreds of millions every year to compete.
Throwing away hundreds of millions every year is a massive exaggeration. The teams occupying 6th, 7th and 8th in the league at the moment haven't had to spend anything like those kind of sums. Josh Harris and a fellow American have just invested 100 million in Crystal Palace, says it all about the way we are being run compared to clubs like them that they are seen as a more attractive proposition.
Every premier club is a more attractive proposition than us at this moment in time to be fair :)
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I just want him to feel bad like we do - a little enforced empathy
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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Our 3 main weapons are Mods, Clampy, TV and a fanatical devotion to .........
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Basically Lerner bought a house in 2006 for £65k, has spent £200k on renovation and interior design then placed it on the market in 2014. No buyers at £150k, never mind £250k, so he either lowers his asking price again, taking a big hit, or he takes a punt on further building maintenance just to hold its current loss-making value of £150k.
It currently feels like a bare minimum of maintenance meaning the house continues to dwindle in value whilst vandals break the windows and trash the garden. Meanwhile, planning permission for a slaughterhouse to be built opposite the house will probably be granted in May.
Whichever decision he makes, it doesn't look good.
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Basically Lerner bought a house in 2006 for £65k, has spent £200k on renovation and interior design then placed it on the market in 2014. No buyers at £150k, never mind £250k, so he either lowers his asking price again, taking a big hit, or he takes a punt on further building maintenance just to hold its current loss-making value of £150k.
It currently feels like a bare minimum of maintenance meaning the house continues to dwindle in value whilst vandals break the windows and trash the garden. Meanwhile, planning permission for a slaughterhouse to be built opposite the house will probably be granted in May.
Whichever decision he makes, it doesn't look good.
That's Tipton for you....
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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Our 3 main weapons are Mods, Clampy, TV and a fanatical devotion to .........
You seem to have a bit of a problem with people not saying what you want them to.
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Do what the Bolton bloke is doing, writing off £172m or whatever it is....just sayin' like. According to the last accounts the net debt after he kindly wrote off £90m, or rather converted it to equity was £102m I think - he could settle for that. Not saying he should of course, Lord knows what I would do in his situation.
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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Our 3 main weapons are Mods, Clampy, TV and a fanatical devotion to .........
Don't start complaining because a couple of posters who happen to be moderators don't agree with you.
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I think we should have protested more against Lerner, and should do more in the future. He is 'trying' to sell, or has been, but not hard enough. He thought he could sit pretty with us as a PL club until the right buyer for him came along (i.e. met his asking price), when in reality we'd have been better off if he'd sold it for a bit less. There isn't loads we can do but at the very least we need to make our feelings clear, anti-Lerner chants, banners (only one I've seen was the 'too little, too late' at Newcastle away last season).
And what good would it do? Is he suddenly going to think, "Hmmm, someone's scrawled Lerner Out on a sheet and they're saying rude words about me. I'll knock fifty million off the price"?
It's not as black and white as that, but we should be ramping up the pressure, it's all very meek at Villa currently. Everton fans do marches almost annually against Bill Kenwright to try and ramp up the pressure on him to sell, and this is whilst they consistently finish top 8. I think people are too worried about what the media will say if we protest, but it's our club and we are going out of the top flight for the first time in 30 years with a whimper.
I'll say it again. Do what, and to what end? He wants to sell, there are no buyers. Nothing is going to change the situation until someone turns up with ¿150 million +.
Marches, protests, whatever we can to make our feelings clear against him. He doesn't exactly enjoy being in the limelight. There has been interest, HH was involved in a failed takeover in the summer for one. He wants to sell for his price, whereas for the good of the club we need him out sooner rather than later. He's looking after himself, and trying to actually show some business acumen for once in his life.
I don't think now is the time for that. Now is the time for the fan base to rally behind the team vet the next few games.
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I think we should have protested more against Lerner, and should do more in the future. He is 'trying' to sell, or has been, but not hard enough. He thought he could sit pretty with us as a PL club until the right buyer for him came along (i.e. met his asking price), when in reality we'd have been better off if he'd sold it for a bit less. There isn't loads we can do but at the very least we need to make our feelings clear, anti-Lerner chants, banners (only one I've seen was the 'too little, too late' at Newcastle away last season).
And what good would it do? Is he suddenly going to think, "Hmmm, someone's scrawled Lerner Out on a sheet and they're saying rude words about me. I'll knock fifty million off the price"?
It's not as black and white as that, but we should be ramping up the pressure, it's all very meek at Villa currently. Everton fans do marches almost annually against Bill Kenwright to try and ramp up the pressure on him to sell, and this is whilst they consistently finish top 8. I think people are too worried about what the media will say if we protest, but it's our club and we are going out of the top flight for the first time in 30 years with a whimper.
I'll say it again. Do what, and to what end? He wants to sell, there are no buyers. Nothing is going to change the situation until someone turns up with ¿150 million +.
Marches, protests, whatever we can to make our feelings clear against him. He doesn't exactly enjoy being in the limelight. There has been interest, HH was involved in a failed takeover in the summer for one. He wants to sell for his price, whereas for the good of the club we need him out sooner rather than later. He's looking after himself, and trying to actually show some business acumen for once in his life.
I don't think now is the time for that. Now is the time for the fan base to rally behind the team vet the next few games.
Nah lets all turn into Geordies and fight each other and blame everyone else pal :o
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How visible is Sheik Mansoor or Joe Lewis?
Can you see them from the ISS?
I don't suppose it matters how visible they are (I had to Google Lewis) as long as they're doing well.
If their on-pitch luck changed then it might become an issue.
If he turned up to every defeat would people suddenly be happy? Of course not.
It doesn't matter where in the world he is as long as he has employed competent people to make sure we're run properly.
Which is the problem, not whether he chooses to live in Sutton Coldfield or New York.
Honestly, it would make me happier if he showed up every now and then.
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I don't think it matters where he lives or how often he turns up. The Man Citeh owner is not ther all the time, his people are though.
The difference is that good owners set a standards which everybody working for them is aware of.
This owner has rewarded and tolerated incompetance and failure and it permeates the club.
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I guarantee that if Lerner had watched any meaningful amount of Aston Villa matches out of the last few hundred we wouldn't of heard stupid comments that he is re-invigorated and enjoying us again. He also wouldn't have stuck with dead man walking Lambert for so long, waiting for a minor miracle and him to grow a brain. Actually being in touch with us would help in more than a few ways.
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I don't think it matters where he lives or how often he turns up. The Man Citeh owner is not ther all the time, his people are though.
The difference is that good owners set a standards which everybody working for them is aware of.
This owner has rewarded and tolerated incompetance and failure and it permeates the club.
It isn't so much that he has rewarded incompetence, there has never been any real level of competence in the club since he took over.
It was great when he was throwing money at us, yes, but even that we now know was done daftly.
By the time he'd learned to stand up to O'Neill, it was too late, we were massively in the shit and have now spent five years paying for it (although it's not only that money thing which has caused this, there have been other chunks of incompetence, too).
He's a nice bloke and he had a go for a few years, but even an impartial observer would look at the quarter of a billion he blew on us and wonder what level of incompetence it would take to manage to do that and end up in the horrible state we've been in for five years now.
The evidence is damning.
All this 'force him out' stuff is beyond parody, though. You can not force someone to sell something if nobody wants to buy it. It's really that simple.
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Something that I find really strange/annoying is why do Fox & Garde have to go over to America to meet Randy when we are so close to a crucial game,why couldnt he make the effort to meet them at the training ground. Garde should be spending as much time as possible with the players. I personally dont give a shit if Randy is at the game or not,but helping the manager out abit wouldnt do any harm.
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Not to mention that it needs the right buyer to ensure it's not a frying pan -> fire situation. And yes, it really could get worse.
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Something that I find really strange/annoying is why do Fox & Garde have to go over to America to meet Randy when we are so close to a crucial game,why couldnt he make the effort to meet them at the training ground. Garde should be spending as much time as possible with the players. I personally dont give a shit if Randy is at the game or not,but helping the manager out abit wouldnt do any harm.
I completely agree. What does he do with the rest of his life that makes him so busy he can't come over once every pink moon to see the people running his investment - and get a feel for it.
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Basically Lerner bought a house in 2006 for £65k, has spent £200k on renovation and interior design then placed it on the market in 2014. No buyers at £150k, never mind £250k, so he either lowers his asking price again, taking a big hit, or he takes a punt on further building maintenance just to hold its current loss-making value of £150k.
It currently feels like a bare minimum of maintenance meaning the house continues to dwindle in value whilst vandals break the windows and trash the garden. Meanwhile, planning permission for a slaughterhouse to be built opposite the house will probably be granted in May.
Whichever decision he makes, it doesn't look good.
That's Tipton for you....
Good point Chico - we should take a leaf from the Brooklyn Dodgers and up sticks
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I don't think it matters where he lives or how often he turns up. The Man Citeh owner is not ther all the time, his people are though.
The difference is that good owners set a standards which everybody working for them is aware of.
This owner has rewarded and tolerated incompetance and failure and it permeates the club.
It isn't so much that he has rewarded incompetence, there has never been any real level of competence in the club since he took over.
It was great when he was throwing money at us, yes, but even that we now know was done daftly.
By the time he'd learned to stand up to O'Neill, it was too late, we were massively in the shit and have now spent five years paying for it (although it's not only that money thing which has caused this, there have been other chunks of incompetence, too).
He's a nice bloke and he had a go for a few years, but even an impartial observer would look at the quarter of a billion he blew on us and wonder what level of incompetence it would take to manage to do that and end up in the horrible state we've been in for five years now.
The evidence is damning.
All this 'force him out' stuff is beyond parody, though. You can not force someone to sell something if nobody wants to buy it. It's really that simple.
my comment about rewarding incompetance was giving Lambert a new contract, hanging onto the last CEO I agree with your comments entirely.
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when's the last time he was at a home match?
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Does he count as a glory-hunter as he only turns up at Cup Finals?
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Something that I find really strange/annoying is why do Fox & Garde have to go over to America to meet Randy when we are so close to a crucial game,why couldnt he make the effort to meet them at the training ground. Garde should be spending as much time as possible with the players. I personally dont give a shit if Randy is at the game or not,but helping the manager out abit wouldnt do any harm.
Because Randy is too busy building a mountain out of mash potato in his back garden to bother with something trivial like Aston Villa, he gave it a dang good shot when he let that Marty guy run the show but now he's got other things on the agenda like shunamites and secret missions with the General.
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when's the last time he was at a home match?
He attended the home game against Arsenal from memory after Lambert had won a couple of games and got a new contract. We got fucking tonked again and he disappeared out of sight until world championship final day when he came on a jolly boys.
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I don't think it matters where he lives or how often he turns up. The Man Citeh owner is not ther all the time, his people are though.
The difference is that good owners set a standards which everybody working for them is aware of.
This owner has rewarded and tolerated incompetance and failure and it permeates the club.
They have also employed people with football experience to do the day-to-day running of the club. Neither Call Centre Paul or Fox had any real football experience or nous when they pitched up in B6, which was made worse by the fact that there wasn't anyone else at the club to offer guidance.
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Lerner would be delighted for anything fans could do to help him sell the club.
Price does not seem to be a factor. There is a reason nobody wants to buy PL clubs, it is a terrible business to be in and there is a limit to the amount of mega rich who a.) like English football b.) like it enough to throw away hundreds of millions every year to compete.
Correct.
I really don't think the price is the sticking point for any potential investor. £150m is about the going rate. So reduce it to £100m won't make any difference. Who would want to buy the club now when it is at it's greatest risk of a reduction in income relative to costs which could affect the club materially for several years?
There are numerous examples of clubs one rung below Villa - Wednesday, Forest, Leeds, Derby who have spent much or all of the last decade out of the top tier and even the top 2 tiers.
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Villa will be sold eventually. A savy prospective purchaser will simply allow Lerner and co to continue destroying value until they pick up a bargain.
A very famous and shrewd investor puts it this way.
"I like to buy companies that could be run by idiots because sooner or later they are".
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Villa will be sold eventually. A savy prospective purchaser will simply allow Lerner and co to continue destroying value until they pick up a bargain.
A very famous and shrewd investor puts it this way.
"I like to buy companies that could be run by idiots because sooner or later they are".
Here's hoping Warren Buffet has a few spare million. Or someone of his ilk.
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Lerner would be delighted for anything fans could do to help him sell the club.
Price does not seem to be a factor. There is a reason nobody wants to buy PL clubs, it is a terrible business to be in and there is a limit to the amount of mega rich who a.) like English football b.) like it enough to throw away hundreds of millions every year to compete.
Correct.
I really don't think the price is the sticking point for any potential investor. £150m is about the going rate. So reduce it to £100m won't make any difference. Who would want to buy the club now when it is at it's greatest risk of a reduction in income relative to costs which could affect the club materially for several years?
There are numerous examples of clubs one rung below Villa - Wednesday, Forest, Leeds, Derby who have spent much or all of the last decade out of the top tier and even the top 2 tiers.
If Lerner keeps on bankrolling any losses, we will not face the same external financial pressures that those clubs have faced/are facing.
However, if Randy starts going for finance from banks or mortgaging property, that is when the real problems start.
Randy can move money from one of his companies to another and it does not matter as any potential buyer just weighs this up in the offer price.
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Lerner would be delighted for anything fans could do to help him sell the club.
Price does not seem to be a factor. There is a reason nobody wants to buy PL clubs, it is a terrible business to be in and there is a limit to the amount of mega rich who a.) like English football b.) like it enough to throw away hundreds of millions every year to compete.
Correct.
I really don't think the price is the sticking point for any potential investor. £150m is about the going rate. So reduce it to £100m won't make any difference. Who would want to buy the club now when it is at it's greatest risk of a reduction in income relative to costs which could affect the club materially for several years?
There are numerous examples of clubs one rung below Villa - Wednesday, Forest, Leeds, Derby who have spent much or all of the last decade out of the top tier and even the top 2 tiers.
If Lerner keeps on bankrolling any losses, we will not face the same external financial pressures that those clubs have faced/are facing.
However, if Randy starts going for finance from banks or mortgaging property, that is when the real problems start.
Randy can move money from one of his companies to another and it does not matter as any potential buyer just weighs this up in the offer price.
Indeed but we still aren't an attractive offer at the moment for anyone other than those with a spare £200m and who don't mind losing most of it as a worst case.
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anyone with any decent money would have bought it by now and wouldn't be hanging around for the price to drop like its a black Friday bargain
we could be in deeper shit if someone buys the club because it was at a bargain basement price and has nothing to invest in the team only by borrowing even more cash against the club asset
you only have to look at the owners of Leeds united and our esteemed near neighbours to realise that things could get even worserer
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anyone with any decent money would have bought it by now and wouldn't be hanging around for the price to drop like its a black Friday bargain
we could be in deeper shit if someone buys the club because it was at a bargain basement price and has nothing to invest in the team only by borrowing even more cash against the club asset
That was my point yesterday when people reckons he couldn't give a shit. I'm sure he could part with it easily enough. Selling to the right person is the main thing.
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anyone with any decent money would have bought it by now and wouldn't be hanging around for the price to drop like its a black Friday bargain
we could be in deeper shit if someone buys the club because it was at a bargain basement price and has nothing to invest in the team only by borrowing even more cash against the club asset
That was my point yesterday when people reckons he couldn't give a shit. I'm sure he could part with it easily enough. Selling to the right person is the main thing.
not really, the Leveraged Buyers can not get near the asking price based on current valuation, so he has not had that choice.
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anyone with any decent money would have bought it by now and wouldn't be hanging around for the price to drop like its a black Friday bargain
we could be in deeper shit if someone buys the club because it was at a bargain basement price and has nothing to invest in the team only by borrowing even more cash against the club asset
That was my point yesterday when people reckons he couldn't give a shit. I'm sure he could part with it easily enough. Selling to the right person is the main thing.
not really, the Leveraged Buyers can not get near the asking price based on current valuation, so he has not had that choice.
How do you know that for a fact? They may have met the asking price but needed to borrow it? Doug turned down offers because of that. Besides, no-one really knows what the asking price is, it's all speculation.
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anyone with any decent money would have bought it by now and wouldn't be hanging around for the price to drop like its a black Friday bargain
we could be in deeper shit if someone buys the club because it was at a bargain basement price and has nothing to invest in the team only by borrowing even more cash against the club asset
That was my point yesterday when people reckons he couldn't give a shit. I'm sure he could part with it easily enough. Selling to the right person is the main thing.
not really, the Leveraged Buyers can not get near the asking price based on current valuation, so he has not had that choice.
How do you know that for a fact? How do you know that they met the asking price but needed to borrow it? Doug turned down offers because of that. Besides, no-one really knows what the asking price is, it's all speculation.
i work in investment banking, lots of people know what the asking price is, they just don't happen to live in ClampyLand.
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anyone with any decent money would have bought it by now and wouldn't be hanging around for the price to drop like its a black Friday bargain
we could be in deeper shit if someone buys the club because it was at a bargain basement price and has nothing to invest in the team only by borrowing even more cash against the club asset
That was my point yesterday when people reckons he couldn't give a shit. I'm sure he could part with it easily enough. Selling to the right person is the main thing.
not really, the Leveraged Buyers can not get near the asking price based on current valuation, so he has not had that choice.
How do you know that for a fact? How do you know that they met the asking price but needed to borrow it? Doug turned down offers because of that. Besides, no-one really knows what the asking price is, it's all speculation.
i work in investment banking, lots of people know what the asking price is, they just don't happen to live in ClampyLand.
Ah, the Clampyland comment again, how childish. Can't you do any better than that when having a debate with someone?
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Investment Banker...is that rhyming slang?
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If he is working in investment banking things must be very quiet to be able to post on here so often. In my day we barely had time to eat.
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Depends on how you define Investment Banking. Could be anything from assisting a Chinese trillionaire to buy (by popular acclaim) half of Wales to me giving my grandsons a rusty old Quality Street tin full of my losing Premium bonds. One name fits all.
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If he is working in investment banking things must be very quiet to be able to post on here so often. In my day we barely had time to eat.
He is in a different timezone to us (assuming he is actually in Chicago) so his working day won't correspond with ours.
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anyone with any decent money would have bought it by now and wouldn't be hanging around for the price to drop like its a black Friday bargain
we could be in deeper shit if someone buys the club because it was at a bargain basement price and has nothing to invest in the team only by borrowing even more cash against the club asset
That was my point yesterday when people reckons he couldn't give a shit. I'm sure he could part with it easily enough. Selling to the right person is the main thing.
not really, the Leveraged Buyers can not get near the asking price based on current valuation, so he has not had that choice.
How do you know that for a fact? How do you know that they met the asking price but needed to borrow it? Doug turned down offers because of that. Besides, no-one really knows what the asking price is, it's all speculation.
i work in investment banking, lots of people know what the asking price is, they just don't happen to live in ClampyLand.
Refilling the pie display at the Edward Jones cafeteria does qualify you as working in investment banking.
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I don't think it matters where he lives or how often he turns up. The Man Citeh owner is not ther all the time, his people are though.
The difference is that good owners set a standards which everybody working for them is aware of.
This owner has rewarded and tolerated incompetance and failure and it permeates the club.
It isn't so much that he has rewarded incompetence, there has never been any real level of competence in the club since he took over.
It was great when he was throwing money at us, yes, but even that we now know was done daftly.
By the time he'd learned to stand up to O'Neill, it was too late, we were massively in the shit and have now spent five years paying for it (although it's not only that money thing which has caused this, there have been other chunks of incompetence, too).
He's a nice bloke and he had a go for a few years, but even an impartial observer would look at the quarter of a billion he blew on us and wonder what level of incompetence it would take to manage to do that and end up in the horrible state we've been in for five years now.
The evidence is damning.
All this 'force him out' stuff is beyond parody, though. You can not force someone to sell something if nobody wants to buy it. It's really that simple.
Spot on. We actually had some ability for a short period in the early days, but then it became apparent that Lerner preferred his mates around him rather than anybody with half a clue, so ended up with the most over-promoted customer services manager ever in Faulkner, and General Krulak who was a nice guy and a decent bloke to have if you were drinking in a rough pub, but who mistook US yee ha corporate nonsense for actual knowledge about English football.
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anyone with any decent money would have bought it by now and wouldn't be hanging around for the price to drop like its a black Friday bargain
we could be in deeper shit if someone buys the club because it was at a bargain basement price and has nothing to invest in the team only by borrowing even more cash against the club asset
That was my point yesterday when people reckons he couldn't give a shit. I'm sure he could part with it easily enough. Selling to the right person is the main thing.
not really, the Leveraged Buyers can not get near the asking price based on current valuation, so he has not had that choice.
How do you know that for a fact? How do you know that they met the asking price but needed to borrow it? Doug turned down offers because of that. Besides, no-one really knows what the asking price is, it's all speculation.
i work in investment banking, lots of people know what the asking price is, they just don't happen to live in ClampyLand.
Refilling the pie display at the Edward Jones cafeteria does qualify you as working in investment banking.
particularly as they are not involved in Investment Banking.Nice try though.
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anyone with any decent money would have bought it by now and wouldn't be hanging around for the price to drop like its a black Friday bargain
we could be in deeper shit if someone buys the club because it was at a bargain basement price and has nothing to invest in the team only by borrowing even more cash against the club asset
That was my point yesterday when people reckons he couldn't give a shit. I'm sure he could part with it easily enough. Selling to the right person is the main thing.
not really, the Leveraged Buyers can not get near the asking price based on current valuation, so he has not had that choice.
How do you know that for a fact? How do you know that they met the asking price but needed to borrow it? Doug turned down offers because of that. Besides, no-one really knows what the asking price is, it's all speculation.
i work in investment banking, lots of people know what the asking price is, they just don't happen to live in ClampyLand.
Refilling the pie display at the Edward Jones cafeteria does qualify you as working in investment banking.
Good to see that you are still having to resort to sneering. Nothing changes. The same boring people slagging everyone else off.
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anyone with any decent money would have bought it by now and wouldn't be hanging around for the price to drop like its a black Friday bargain
we could be in deeper shit if someone buys the club because it was at a bargain basement price and has nothing to invest in the team only by borrowing even more cash against the club asset
That was my point yesterday when people reckons he couldn't give a shit. I'm sure he could part with it easily enough. Selling to the right person is the main thing.
not really, the Leveraged Buyers can not get near the asking price based on current valuation, so he has not had that choice.
How do you know that for a fact? How do you know that they met the asking price but needed to borrow it? Doug turned down offers because of that. Besides, no-one really knows what the asking price is, it's all speculation.
i work in investment banking, lots of people know what the asking price is, they just don't happen to live in ClampyLand.
Refilling the pie display at the Edward Jones cafeteria does qualify you as working in investment banking.
Good to see that you are still having to resort to sneering. Nothing changes. The same boring people slagging everyone else off.
Yeah, come on all, get a grip. We will be sold at some point. He won't be here forever-i know it's stating the obvious, but it's true.
The last poster is right-on so many threads there are petty arguments, which sidetrack from the original post. People wanting to get the upper hand, to win, to show they know more.
What's the point of fighting amongst ourselves? We have a crap team at present and the club is being ran by people who seem to know fuck all, but let's stick together right now, cheer those underperforming wastes of air on this evening and get three points for Christmas!
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anyone with any decent money would have bought it by now and wouldn't be hanging around for the price to drop like its a black Friday bargain
we could be in deeper shit if someone buys the club because it was at a bargain basement price and has nothing to invest in the team only by borrowing even more cash against the club asset
That was my point yesterday when people reckons he couldn't give a shit. I'm sure he could part with it easily enough. Selling to the right person is the main thing.
not really, the Leveraged Buyers can not get near the asking price based on current valuation, so he has not had that choice.
How do you know that for a fact? How do you know that they met the asking price but needed to borrow it? Doug turned down offers because of that. Besides, no-one really knows what the asking price is, it's all speculation.
i work in investment banking, lots of people know what the asking price is, they just don't happen to live in ClampyLand.
Refilling the pie display at the Edward Jones cafeteria does qualify you as working in investment banking.
Good to see that you are still having to resort to sneering. Nothing changes. The same boring people slagging everyone else off.
If it bothers you so much why did you come back? Are you going to be just as bitter at everything again?
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Tom Fox, "we're building something special here"
Oh do fuck off, Tom.
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Tom Fox, "we're building something special here"
Oh do fuck off, Tom.
You ask them to speak, they speak, you swear at them.
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Tom Fox, "we're building something special here"
Oh do fuck off, Tom.
You ask them to speak, they speak, you swear at them.
They've been insulting the fans for years. They deserve everything they get.
"Building something special". Jesus wept.
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Tom Fox, "we're building something special here"
Oh do fuck off, Tom.
You ask them to speak, they speak, you swear at them.
They've been insulting the fans for years. They deserve everything they get.
"Building something special". Jesus wept.
You really shouldn't take it so personally.
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He is building a stable for Randy's unicorn.
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Just caught up with this thread and what I took was this... I don't have a clue when to use query, enquiry and inquiry. F**k Google I'm not checking.
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anyone with any decent money would have bought it by now and wouldn't be hanging around for the price to drop like its a black Friday bargain
we could be in deeper shit if someone buys the club because it was at a bargain basement price and has nothing to invest in the team only by borrowing even more cash against the club asset
That was my point yesterday when people reckons he couldn't give a shit. I'm sure he could part with it easily enough. Selling to the right person is the main thing.
not really, the Leveraged Buyers can not get near the asking price based on current valuation, so he has not had that choice.
How do you know that for a fact? How do you know that they met the asking price but needed to borrow it? Doug turned down offers because of that. Besides, no-one really knows what the asking price is, it's all speculation.
i work in investment banking, lots of people know what the asking price is, they just don't happen to live in ClampyLand.
Refilling the pie display at the Edward Jones cafeteria does qualify you as working in investment banking.
Good to see that you are still having to resort to sneering. Nothing changes. The same boring people slagging everyone else off.
If it bothers you so much why did you come back? Are you going to be just as bitter at everything again?
Just thought I would see what I had been missing.
Glad to see that you eventually joined the Lambert Out club after mysteriously defending him for so long.
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I sometimes wonder how people like Tom Fox manage to dress themselves in the morning.
"The American acknowledged the fact that the club are bottom of the league but has pointed out that financially at least, progress is being made.
He told BBC WM: "It's easy to look just at the table.
"It's clearly not where went to be and it's not good enough. We live and die by the results.
"But I look at everything. We've generated more revenue on both our shirt and kit deals and in our ability to control costs. We're making progress there.
"Bringing (director of recruiting) Paddy Reilly back to the club before I came in was something (owner) Randy Lerner thought was important.
"We're developing a network of scouts which the club have never had before to look into European football markets and I was pleased that we were able to attract someone of (sporting director) Hendrik Almstadt's quality from a great club like Arsenal."
The bloke is quite clearly an idiot. Wittering on about "just looking at the league table" and then how things are improving financially. Well, I know he's American and used to looking at the other end of the table with Arsenal, but we have relegation over here, and that's going to make the financial side of things even less rosy than they are now.
And the scouting model they've introduced has been a rip-roaring success, but I notice he was at pains to blame that on Lerner.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
With all respect Ger, what is it to do with Clampy? He's the one that has just called someone pointless, think if you actually have taken a break away from this website (which I have) you still find the same people that jump on anyone with a different opinion; such as TV and Clampy shouldn't that rule also apply to them?
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
With all respect Ger, what is it to do with Clampy? He's the one that has just called someone pointless, think if you actually have taken a break away from this website (which I have) you still find the same people that jump on anyone with a different opinion; such as TV and Clampy shouldn't that rule also apply to them?
It's to do with me because he quoted me in his first post back after over a year and a half which was all a bit unnecessary. Why not come back on make a comment on today's game or the transfer thread? And I didn't call him pointless, I called the post pointless.
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I am so disappointed. I started skim reading the last few pages and saw a reference to an investment banker and thought we had been sold...Darn it.
Incidentally Risso spot on as usual. The statement from Fox regarding revenues growing seems to ignore the halving of the same when in the Championship. He reminds me of Comical Ali at the top of the hotel in Baghdad claiming the Iraqis were rising up for a spectacular victory whilst buildings behind him were being raised to the ground.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
One rule for one and one rule for another is it?
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
One rule for one and one rule for another is it?
Nope. The same rules apply to everybody.
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It's like the Aston Villa dressing room on here sometimes. Let's all stick together.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
With all respect Ger, what is it to do with Clampy? He's the one that has just called someone pointless, think if you actually have taken a break away from this website (which I have) you still find the same people that jump on anyone with a different opinion; such as TV and Clampy shouldn't that rule also apply to them?
It's to do with me because he quoted me in his first post back after over a year and a half which was all a bit unnecessary. Why not come back on make a comment on today's game or the transfer thread? And I didn't call him pointless, I called the post pointless.
So when you come back you can only post on certain threads. Bugger that because if I hadn't posted on this thread; the subject of the thread, wouldn't have the information from the Fox meeting; in fact it would of been put away in the GM; but thanks to me, with it being xmas and all, it wasn't it was posted in here think that's my good contribution to this website for the year, talking of GM hasn't yours run out so it seems according to the little thing under your avatar? Maybe he's at the game today (doesn't Jon and his wife go to every game (bless them)) so no need to really post on a pre match thread is there? And more so, calling someones post pointless isn't that basically calling them pointless?
edited for me being unable to spell :D
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
One rule for one and one rule for another is it?
Nope. The same rules apply to everybody.
Hope your having a word with your fellow mod then.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
With all respect Ger, what is it to do with Clampy? He's the one that has just called someone pointless, think if you actually have taken a break away from this website (which I have) you still find the same people that jump on anyone with a different opinion; such as TV and Clampy shouldn't that rule also apply to them?
It's to do with me because he quoted me in his first post back after over a year and a half which was all a bit unnecessary. Why not come back on make a comment on today's game or the transfer thread? And I didn't call him pointless, I called the post pointless.
So when you come back you can only post on certain threads. Bugger that because if I hadn't posted on this thread; the subject of the thread wouldn't have the information from the Fox meeting in fact it would of been put away in the GM; but thanks to me, with it being xmas and all it wasn't think that's my good contribution to this website, talking of GM hasn't yours run out so it seems according to the little thing under your avatar? Maybe he's at the game today (doesn't Jon and his wife go to every game (bless them)) so need to really post on a pre match thread is there? And more so calling someones post pointless isn't that basically calling them pointless?
Please don't tell us how to run this site, and self-praise is no praise at all.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
With all respect Ger, what is it to do with Clampy? He's the one that has just called someone pointless, think if you actually have taken a break away from this website (which I have) you still find the same people that jump on anyone with a different opinion; such as TV and Clampy shouldn't that rule also apply to them?
It's to do with me because he quoted me in his first post back after over a year and a half which was all a bit unnecessary. Why not come back on make a comment on today's game or the transfer thread? And I didn't call him pointless, I called the post pointless.
So when you come back you can only post on certain threads. Bugger that because if I hadn't posted on this thread; the subject of the thread, wouldn't have the information from the Fox meeting; in fact it would of been put away in the GM; but thanks to me, with it being xmas and all, it wasn't it was posted in here think that's my good contribution to this website for the year, talking of GM hasn't yours run out so it seems according to the little thing under your avatar? Maybe he's at the game today (doesn't Jon and his wife go to every game (bless them)) so no need to really post on a pre match thread is there? And more so, calling someones post pointless isn't that basically calling them pointless?
edited for me being unable to spell :D
Can I ask what my Golden Muppet status/date has to do with the price of fish?
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I am usually amongst the happy clappiest the of supporters but managing to say something that comes over as....
'We're going down but at least you lot are still buying kits so we're making money'
was possibly not the best thing our CE could have come out with.
Given that they go months without saying anything, you'd think that when they finally do, they might have thought it through.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
One rule for one and one rule for another is it?
Nope. The same rules apply to everybody.
Hope your having a word with your fellow mod then.
Who and what are you referring to?
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
With all respect Ger, what is it to do with Clampy? He's the one that has just called someone pointless, think if you actually have taken a break away from this website (which I have) you still find the same people that jump on anyone with a different opinion; such as TV and Clampy shouldn't that rule also apply to them?
It's to do with me because he quoted me in his first post back after over a year and a half which was all a bit unnecessary. Why not come back on make a comment on today's game or the transfer thread? And I didn't call him pointless, I called the post pointless.
So when you come back you can only post on certain threads. Bugger that because if I hadn't posted on this thread; the subject of the thread wouldn't have the information from the Fox meeting in fact it would of been put away in the GM; but thanks to me, with it being xmas and all it wasn't think that's my good contribution to this website, talking of GM hasn't yours run out so it seems according to the little thing under your avatar? Maybe he's at the game today (doesn't Jon and his wife go to every game (bless them)) so need to really post on a pre match thread is there? And more so calling someones post pointless isn't that basically calling them pointless?
Please don't tell us how to run this site, and self-praise is no praise at all.
Wasn't telling you at all how to run the site; was actually reply to Clampy saying that people should post in certain areas, when having a absence never mentioned how to run the site? Well I suppose technically self praise is praise? But I do get what you are saying I take back praising myself for giving people the Tom Fox information before anyone else; in future I'll message it to yourself and you can decide what to do with it sorry.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
With all respect Ger, what is it to do with Clampy? He's the one that has just called someone pointless, think if you actually have taken a break away from this website (which I have) you still find the same people that jump on anyone with a different opinion; such as TV and Clampy shouldn't that rule also apply to them?
It's to do with me because he quoted me in his first post back after over a year and a half which was all a bit unnecessary. Why not come back on make a comment on today's game or the transfer thread? And I didn't call him pointless, I called the post pointless.
So when you come back you can only post on certain threads. Bugger that because if I hadn't posted on this thread; the subject of the thread, wouldn't have the information from the Fox meeting; in fact it would of been put away in the GM; but thanks to me, with it being xmas and all, it wasn't it was posted in here think that's my good contribution to this website for the year, talking of GM hasn't yours run out so it seems according to the little thing under your avatar? Maybe he's at the game today (doesn't Jon and his wife go to every game (bless them)) so no need to really post on a pre match thread is there? And more so, calling someones post pointless isn't that basically calling them pointless?
edited for me being unable to spell :D
Can I ask what my Golden Muppet status/date has to do with the price of fish?
Nothing to do with the price of fish, just the up keep of this site.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
With all respect Ger, what is it to do with Clampy? He's the one that has just called someone pointless, think if you actually have taken a break away from this website (which I have) you still find the same people that jump on anyone with a different opinion; such as TV and Clampy shouldn't that rule also apply to them?
It's to do with me because he quoted me in his first post back after over a year and a half which was all a bit unnecessary. Why not come back on make a comment on today's game or the transfer thread? And I didn't call him pointless, I called the post pointless.
So when you come back you can only post on certain threads. Bugger that because if I hadn't posted on this thread; the subject of the thread, wouldn't have the information from the Fox meeting; in fact it would of been put away in the GM; but thanks to me, with it being xmas and all, it wasn't it was posted in here think that's my good contribution to this website for the year, talking of GM hasn't yours run out so it seems according to the little thing under your avatar? Maybe he's at the game today (doesn't Jon and his wife go to every game (bless them)) so no need to really post on a pre match thread is there? And more so, calling someones post pointless isn't that basically calling them pointless?
edited for me being unable to spell :D
Can I ask what my Golden Muppet status/date has to do with the price of fish?
Nothing to do with the price of fish, just the up keep of this site.
If you must know, I make a direct donation every month. If the date hasn't been changed, then you'll have to bring it up with someone else if it's bothering you that much.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
One rule for one and one rule for another is it?
Nope. The same rules apply to everybody.
Hope your having a word with your fellow mod then.
Who and what are you referring to?
Ger telling a poster not to bother posting because he doesn't agree with him and thinks he is negative.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
With all respect Ger, what is it to do with Clampy? He's the one that has just called someone pointless, think if you actually have taken a break away from this website (which I have) you still find the same people that jump on anyone with a different opinion; such as TV and Clampy shouldn't that rule also apply to them?
It's to do with me because he quoted me in his first post back after over a year and a half which was all a bit unnecessary. Why not come back on make a comment on today's game or the transfer thread? And I didn't call him pointless, I called the post pointless.
So when you come back you can only post on certain threads. Bugger that because if I hadn't posted on this thread; the subject of the thread, wouldn't have the information from the Fox meeting; in fact it would of been put away in the GM; but thanks to me, with it being xmas and all, it wasn't it was posted in here think that's my good contribution to this website for the year, talking of GM hasn't yours run out so it seems according to the little thing under your avatar? Maybe he's at the game today (doesn't Jon and his wife go to every game (bless them)) so no need to really post on a pre match thread is there? And more so, calling someones post pointless isn't that basically calling them pointless?
edited for me being unable to spell :D
Can I ask what my Golden Muppet status/date has to do with the price of fish?
Nothing to do with the price of fish, just the up keep of this site.
If you must know, I make a direct donation every month. If the date hasn't been changed, then you'll have to bring it up with someone else if it's bothering you that much.
Good for you I also make many monthly donations to other charity's gives you a good sense of well being I find? Anyways that is off topic, to get it back on topic anyone think Fox can run the club properly and drag us out of this mess?
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
With all respect Ger, what is it to do with Clampy? He's the one that has just called someone pointless, think if you actually have taken a break away from this website (which I have) you still find the same people that jump on anyone with a different opinion; such as TV and Clampy shouldn't that rule also apply to them?
It's to do with me because he quoted me in his first post back after over a year and a half which was all a bit unnecessary. Why not come back on make a comment on today's game or the transfer thread? And I didn't call him pointless, I called the post pointless.
So when you come back you can only post on certain threads. Bugger that because if I hadn't posted on this thread; the subject of the thread, wouldn't have the information from the Fox meeting; in fact it would of been put away in the GM; but thanks to me, with it being xmas and all, it wasn't it was posted in here think that's my good contribution to this website for the year, talking of GM hasn't yours run out so it seems according to the little thing under your avatar? Maybe he's at the game today (doesn't Jon and his wife go to every game (bless them)) so no need to really post on a pre match thread is there? And more so, calling someones post pointless isn't that basically calling them pointless?
edited for me being unable to spell :D
And with all due respect, what's all this got to do with you? I find the hypocrisy of DC5's position breathtaking. He doesn't post on here for a year and a half, but had no issue posting on a forum that allowed some very personal abuse of a friend of his, and then has the gall to come back on here complaining about someone sneering at other posters, in the most sneering way possible?
Without wanting to be overly-pithy, if it's so bad on here, why bother posting on here at all?
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And if anyone else wants to post on here with the intention of starting arguments, we can point them in the direction of where they'll be more appreciated.
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Toms "building something special". Indeed you are Tom.
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If this thread was real life - someone would have uttered 'leave it lads we have all had a drink' by now.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
One rule for one and one rule for another is it?
Nope. The same rules apply to everybody.
Hope your having a word with your fellow mod then.
Who and what are you referring to?
Ger telling a poster not to bother posting because he doesn't agree with him and thinks he is negative.
Oh please. Have a read of the forum rules and then re-read what I actually said before butting in again.
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Ger you need to learn that temper.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
One rule for one and one rule for another is it?
Nope. The same rules apply to everybody.
Hope your having a word with your fellow mod then.
Who and what are you referring to?
Ger telling a poster not to bother posting because he doesn't agree with him and thinks he is negative.
So nowhere then? He's told him not to bother posting if he's just turned up to insult people. Which applies to every poster.
He's not offered an opinion for Ger to disagree with.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
With all respect Ger, what is it to do with Clampy? He's the one that has just called someone pointless, think if you actually have taken a break away from this website (which I have) you still find the same people that jump on anyone with a different opinion; such as TV and Clampy shouldn't that rule also apply to them?
It's to do with me because he quoted me in his first post back after over a year and a half which was all a bit unnecessary. Why not come back on make a comment on today's game or the transfer thread? And I didn't call him pointless, I called the post pointless.
So when you come back you can only post on certain threads. Bugger that because if I hadn't posted on this thread; the subject of the thread, wouldn't have the information from the Fox meeting; in fact it would of been put away in the GM; but thanks to me, with it being xmas and all, it wasn't it was posted in here think that's my good contribution to this website for the year, talking of GM hasn't yours run out so it seems according to the little thing under your avatar? Maybe he's at the game today (doesn't Jon and his wife go to every game (bless them)) so no need to really post on a pre match thread is there? And more so, calling someones post pointless isn't that basically calling them pointless?
edited for me being unable to spell :D
And with all due respect, what's all this got to do with you? I find the hypocrisy of DC5's position breathtaking. He doesn't post on here for a year and a half, but had no issue posting on a forum that allowed some very personal abuse of a friend of his, and then has the gall to come back on here complaining about someone sneering at other posters, in the most sneering way possible?
Without wanting to be overly-pithy, if it's so bad on here, why bother posting on here at all?
You need to get your facts straight. If you are referring to the posts put on by that Councillor bloke, I insisted that they were removed. I also told the person on here, who they were offensive towards, that I had objected to them. It was not very long after that that I and several others left that site.
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Well I stand corrected on that score.
My initial point about not posting on here if all you want to do is take shots at other posts stands, though. Feel free to post if it's to contribute to the debate, mind.
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And let that be an end to the derailment.
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Have we been taken over by an investment banker or not?
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Just thought I would see what I had been missing.
Glad to see that you eventually joined the Lambert Out club after mysteriously defending him for so long.
I imagine you're still pining for Mcleish.
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Tom Fox is a fucking idiot.
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Just thought I would see what I had been missing.
Glad to see that you eventually joined the Lambert Out club after mysteriously defending him for so long.
I imagine you're still pining for Mcleish.
I did say derailments are now ended.
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Sorry Dave.
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can i post in this thread if i dont use comma's
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can i post in this thread if i dont use comma's
How about you just post without trying to draw attention to yourself? Then people will just judge you on what you say (write) as opposed to anything else that might deflect from the point you might be trying to make.
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Toms "building something special". Indeed you are Tom.
He's got some nerve hasn't he. Talk about rubbing salt into the wound.
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It's like the Aston Villa dressing room on here sometimes. Let's all stick together.
Qu'est-ce qu'il dit celui-là ? Je comprends que dalle, putain !
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can i post in this thread if i dont use comma's
How about you just post without trying to draw attention to yourself? Then people will just judge you on what you say (write) as opposed to anything else that might deflect from the point you might be trying to make.
Come on Toronto, lighten-up.
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Sorry I missed you Jon. A very happy Christmas to you and Pauline if you happen to still be allowed to be on here to read this. I sincerely hope you are both well.
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Two posts in after a year and half absence and you've taken the opportunity to have a pop at people. How pointless.
I would have to agree.
If you're here just to take shots at other posters, then please, don't bother.
With all respect Ger, what is it to do with Clampy? He's the one that has just called someone pointless, think if you actually have taken a break away from this website (which I have) you still find the same people that jump on anyone with a different opinion; such as TV and Clampy shouldn't that rule also apply to them?
It's to do with me because he quoted me in his first post back after over a year and a half which was all a bit unnecessary. Why not come back on make a comment on today's game or the transfer thread? And I didn't call him pointless, I called the post pointless.
So when you come back you can only post on certain threads. Bugger that because if I hadn't posted on this thread; the subject of the thread, wouldn't have the information from the Fox meeting; in fact it would of been put away in the GM; but thanks to me, with it being xmas and all, it wasn't it was posted in here think that's my good contribution to this website for the year, talking of GM hasn't yours run out so it seems according to the little thing under your avatar? Maybe he's at the game today (doesn't Jon and his wife go to every game (bless them)) so no need to really post on a pre match thread is there? And more so, calling someones post pointless isn't that basically calling them pointless?
edited for me being unable to spell :D
I can't let that stand. Check the timestamps and my precis of the meeting was posted here before I added it to GM. I also went to the trouble of have a couple of fellow attendees proof read it before posting to ensure the content's factual correctness before posting as I was keen to ensure the Heroes and Villlains credibility in disseminating the main points of the meeting rather than looking for a scoop on a site I rarely use for some juvenile point scoring exercise on the basis of second hand information. Newcastle have scored. Bollocks.
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I'm sure I was told it was going in GMs only. Even got accused of "demanding" to know what happened. Then that Everlast poster started posting stuff, although I was initially sceptical as to the accuracy.
If it had not been for them that information would never have appeared in here, is my guess.
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I'm sure I was told it was going in GMs only. Even got accused of "demanding" to know what happened. Then that Everlast poster started posting stuff, although I was initially sceptical as to the accuracy.
If it had not been for them that information would never have appeared in here, is my guess.
Which is wrong, but thanks for your contribution.
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I'm sure I was told it was going in GMs only. Even got accused of "demanding" to know what happened. Then that Everlast poster started posting stuff, although I was initially sceptical as to the accuracy.
If it had not been for them that information would never have appeared in here, is my guess.
Which is wrong, but thanks for your contribution.
Is it? Re-read page one of this thread then.
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I'm sure I was told it was going in GMs only. Even got accused of "demanding" to know what happened. Then that Everlast poster started posting stuff, although I was initially sceptical as to the accuracy.
If it had not been for them that information would never have appeared in here, is my guess.
Which is wrong, but thanks for your contribution.
Is it? Re-read page one of this thread then.
I have done, and nowhere does anyone say that anything was or was not going to be said anywhere. We've already had one pointless diversion off the subject on this thread and we don't need another.
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I'm clearly told that it is what GMs is for on page one.
Anyway, I'll let others make their own minds up and say no more.
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I'm clearly told that it is what GMs is for on page one.
Anyway, I'll let others make their own minds up and say no more.
You do just that.
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I'm clearly told that it is what GMs is for on page one.
Anyway, I'll let others make their own minds up and say no more.
I don't understand, Chris, didn't you go off to TBAR or elsewhere with the other dissatisfied former posters a while back?
That's absolutely your right to do so, and we all have our preferences, but it strikes me you've been back posting here a few weeks and there's a lot of moaning about the way things are done in that time.
I'm absolutely prepared to accept I've misunderstood the historicals involved in this, so I apologise if I'm wrong, but maybe if you've gone away because you didn't like the way things are done, then come back and spent a fair amount of time telling people you don't like the way things are done, you're really not going to get much out of this place?
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Well as you asked, I went off to TBAR. I then lost interest, in part due to certain characters, and so moved on elsewhere.
I've still posted here on occasion, but then last week I asked a question about the Fox meeting, only to be told I was making demands. Am I going to let that sit? It wasnt accurate and I said so.
Now Joe, who I'm grateful to for posting his version of events at the meeting, posts something that again doesn't seem accurate. Given that I was making demands apparently simply for asking what happened at the meeting, his latest post is not as I remember it.
As for not getting anything out of the site, you couldn't be more wrong. I do enjoy off topic, the games area.
And with our club being where it finds itself, I'm going to moan about that. In fact, I'd say now is the perfect time to do so.
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I don't think you'll find anyone doubting your right to moan at the club given the current mess. In fact, I know you won't. That's not what I meant by complaining about "the way things are done", I meant "the way things are done here".
I'm glad you still get pleasure out of the site, though, it just seemed to me that you were spending quite a lot of time talking about the stuff you don't like, rather than the stuff you do.
It strikes me that if you wanted to look for a poster here who would be likely to post anything with any sort of agenda or knowingly misleading people, Joe would be right at the bottom of the list.
I'd have liked to have thought you'd remember that, though, from times past (including when you were a moderator here too, for that matter). I can confirm he hasn't undergone any character change while you were away, though.
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Well as you asked, I went off to TBAR. I then lost interest, in part due to certain characters, and so moved on elsewhere.
I've still posted here on occasion, but then last week I asked a question about the Fox meeting, only to be told I was making demands. Am I going to let that sit? It wasnt accurate and I said so.
Now Joe, who I'm grateful to for posting his version of events at the meeting, posts something that again doesn't seem accurate. Given that I was making demands apparently simply for asking what happened at the meeting, his latest post is not as I remember it.
As for not getting anything out of the site, you couldn't be more wrong. I do enjoy off topic, the games area.
And with our club being where it finds itself, I'm going to moan about that. In fact, I'd say now is the perfect time to do so.
Inaccurate how? It had never been my intention to post the details in GM only and other versions of the events from last week such as Stuart Griffin's on the AVST site are freely available in every sense.
For what it's worth, I thought there was little point in not giving the details as wide an audience as possible in part to forestall any rumours about what took place or accusations of secrecy. The club were open with the attendees, it was important to respect that frankness in relaying what was said to the Villa supporting world.
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Thank you for your response, again, Joe.
I shall refrain from commenting further and this let get back on topic, as requested by the editor.
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Thanks Chris. Appreciated
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Now about this Investment Banker......
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Can't we just lock the thread? If fox speaks again I'm sure there will be another, more timely thread.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
cocks
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
cocks
Pardon?
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I think it was a hiccough.
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Because that is what GM's is for here and for AVST members with my other hat on.
I'm a former member of both. I suppose an update for such a person is out of the question? It's not like current members of both get the info twice.
Every time there's a meeting like this we get the same "I demand to be told" statements. There is no official them and us-ism on here. If you donate to the site you get access to another forum and if a member wants to divulge something in there that they don't want to say in public I'm fine with that but I wouldn't ask them to do anything one way or the other. If the Trust want to say anything to their members or nothing at all it's up to their board to decide.
cocks
Pardon?
He said 'cocks'.
Quite why I don't know although I think Toutettes is a terrible affliction and we should be more understanding of sufferers.
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I think he is lost from the 5 letter thread.
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I should probably add that my comments were a guesstimate on how Joe C would share the news. I was there for The Trust, not here, so was always going to pen their presser before discussing it.
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tis the season to be jolly :-)
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He's been very quiet this season hasn't he. Taxi for Tom, doing a terrible job or are points a false narrative?
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He's been very quiet this season hasn't he. Taxi for Tom, doing a terrible job or are points a false narrative?
Didn't he say just a couple of weeks ago that they were "building something special" at Villa?
What little respect I had left for him vanished after he insulted us with that one.
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He's been very quiet this season hasn't he. Taxi for Tom, doing a terrible job or are points a false narrative?
Didn't he say just a couple of weeks ago that they were "building something special" at Villa?
What little respect I had left for him vanished after he insulted us with that one.
It is pretty special to go 19 games in to a season and have 0 home wins and only 8 points. In fact it's only been done a couple of times in history hasn't it? So in that regard, yes, being so consistently shit is a special achievement only planks like Lerner, Fox and Reilly could accomplish, the triumvirate of fuckwits.
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I wonder where we are in the Deloitte money league or whatever it was they used to get so excited about.
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I wonder where we are in the Deloitte money league or whatever it was they used to get so excited about.
They wanted to get us financially stable for a spell in the championship
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I missed this from two weeks ago, and didn't see it posted here, but I just read this (17th Dec) and it made me want to throw the fucking laptop out of the window.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35125158
Aston Villa: It's easy to look just at table, says chief executive Tom Fox
Aston Villa chief executive Tom Fox says that the club might currently be bottom of the Premier League but they are doing well commercially.
"It's easy to look just at the table," he told BBC WM 95.6. "It's clearly not where went to be and it's not good enough. We live and die by the results.
"But I look at everything. We've generated more revenue on both our shirt and kit deals and in our ability to control costs. We're making progress there.
"Bringing (director of recruiting) Paddy Reilly back to the club before I came in was something (owner) Randy Lerner thought was important. We're developing a network of scouts which the club have never had before to look into European football markets and I was pleased that we were able to attract someone of (sporting director) Hendrik Almstadt's quality from a great club like Arsenal."
Where can you even start with delusional shit like this?
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We're getting what we deserve (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10118235/aston-villa-getting-what-they-deserve-says-matt-law)
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Looks like Fox is blaming Randy for bringing Reilly in.
The culture at Villa Park of ''It's not my fault' isn't any surprise if the owner can't find his own way there.
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I missed this from two weeks ago, and didn't see it posted here, but I just read this (17th Dec) and it made me want to throw the fucking laptop out of the window.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35125158
Aston Villa: It's easy to look just at table, says chief executive Tom Fox
Aston Villa chief executive Tom Fox says that the club might currently be bottom of the Premier League but they are doing well commercially.
"It's easy to look just at the table," he told BBC WM 95.6. "It's clearly not where went to be and it's not good enough. We live and die by the results.
"But I look at everything. We've generated more revenue on both our shirt and kit deals and in our ability to control costs. We're making progress there.
"Bringing (director of recruiting) Paddy Reilly back to the club before I came in was something (owner) Randy Lerner thought was important. We're developing a network of scouts which the club have never had before to look into European football markets and I was pleased that we were able to attract someone of (sporting director) Hendrik Almstadt's quality from a great club like Arsenal."
Where can you even start with delusional shit like this?
This is why there needs to be protests. The whole set up from Lerner down stinks to high Heaven. There is no straightforward communication or target setting from the club. There is no direction it's just all a foggy, shambolic mess. I really do feel we are in far greater trouble than we were in '87.
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I missed this from two weeks ago, and didn't see it posted here, but I just read this (17th Dec) and it made me want to throw the fucking laptop out of the window.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35125158
Aston Villa: It's easy to look just at table, says chief executive Tom Fox
Aston Villa chief executive Tom Fox says that the club might currently be bottom of the Premier League but they are doing well commercially.
"It's easy to look just at the table," he told BBC WM 95.6. "It's clearly not where went to be and it's not good enough. We live and die by the results.
"But I look at everything. We've generated more revenue on both our shirt and kit deals and in our ability to control costs. We're making progress there.
"Bringing (director of recruiting) Paddy Reilly back to the club before I came in was something (owner) Randy Lerner thought was important. We're developing a network of scouts which the club have never had before to look into European football markets and I was pleased that we were able to attract someone of (sporting director) Hendrik Almstadt's quality from a great club like Arsenal."
Where can you even start with delusional shit like this?
Obviously, just considering the football results and performances is a 'false narrative'.
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He can't stop talking about the great club Arsenal.
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He can't stop talking about the great club Arsenal.
I bet they won't take the useless fool back either
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I wonder if old Tom will come down with a dose of the shits on the morning of the meeting? I expect they will insist on questions in advance to 'control' proceedings...
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I wonder if old Tom will come down with a dose of the shits on the morning of the meeting? I expect they will insist on questions in advance to 'control' proceedings...
I expect they won't.
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I wonder if old Tom will come down with a dose of the shits on the morning of the meeting? I expect they will insist on questions in advance to 'control' proceedings...
I expect they won't.
Hope your right Dave but nothing would surprise me with regards to the Board....
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I wonder if old Tom will come down with a dose of the shits on the morning of the meeting? I expect they will insist on questions in advance to 'control' proceedings...
I expect they won't.
Hope your right Dave but nothing would surprise me with regards to the Board....
It's never happened before at such meetings.
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He can't stop talking about the great club Arsenal.
So why dosent he fuck off back there and he can take Alstadt and the Fkin X Box with him, wanker.
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He can't stop talking about the great club Arsenal.
take Alstadt and the Fkin X Box with him, wanker.
Brilliant!
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I wonder if old Tom will come down with a dose of the shits on the morning of the meeting? I expect they will insist on questions in advance to 'control' proceedings...
I think we all know what the questions are, namely these two:
1. What the fuck is going on?
2. What are you going to do about it?
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I wonder if old Tom will come down with a dose of the shits on the morning of the meeting? I expect they will insist on questions in advance to 'control' proceedings...
I think we all know what the questions are, namely these two:
1. What the fuck is going on?
2. What are you going to do about it?
Answers.
1.While are building something great.
2.Is that the time......?
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This is the man charged with running Aston Villa........
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2243867/Arsenal-chief-Tom-Fox-Winning-isnt-everything.html
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It's just as well winning isn't everything. Because we never f*cking do, Thomas.
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This is the man charged with running Aston Villa........
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2243867/Arsenal-chief-Tom-Fox-Winning-isnt-everything.html
Well at least he's consistent.
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At Aston Villa, winning isn't anything.
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I missed this from two weeks ago, and didn't see it posted here, but I just read this (17th Dec) and it made me want to throw the fucking laptop out of the window.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35125158
Aston Villa: It's easy to look just at table, says chief executive Tom Fox
Aston Villa chief executive Tom Fox says that the club might currently be bottom of the Premier League but they are doing well commercially.
"It's easy to look just at the table," he told BBC WM 95.6. "It's clearly not where went to be and it's not good enough. We live and die by the results.
"But I look at everything. We've generated more revenue on both our shirt and kit deals and in our ability to control costs. We're making progress there.
"Bringing (director of recruiting) Paddy Reilly back to the club before I came in was something (owner) Randy Lerner thought was important. We're developing a network of scouts which the club have never had before to look into European football markets and I was pleased that we were able to attract someone of (sporting director) Hendrik Almstadt's quality from a great club like Arsenal."
Where can you even start with delusional shit like this?
Obviously, just considering the football results and performances is a 'false narrative'.
phew im glad we have a good shirt deal and there was me worried that our tv money was going to go from a minimum of £100 million to £3.87
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This is the man charged with running Aston Villa........
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2243867/Arsenal-chief-Tom-Fox-Winning-isnt-everything.html
Shit for brains.
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I really think some people were under the impression he was Arsenal's chief Exec. He was nothing of the sort there and I feel he's yet another person we've over promoted like Faulkner.
Him going on about how well we're doing commercially (good luck with that next season) sadly kinds of hints at this.
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In the recent interview he mentioned a new chairman joining and this would be of great help to him , I think he is well aware he is out of his depth with on the pitch matters but has no support really from Randy.
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It's just as well winning isn't everything. Because we never f*cking do, Thomas.
They've turned us in to the fat kid who's shit at sports day so his dad tells him it doesn't matter. Fuck off Fox you numpty clown, someone ring this pillock a taxi.
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It's just as well winning isn't everything. Because we never f*cking do, Thomas.
They've turned us in to the fat kid who's shit at sports day so his dad tells him it doesn't matter. Fuck off Fox you numpty clown, someone ring this pillock a taxi.
Jesus that has brought back memories.
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It's just as well winning isn't everything. Because we never f*cking do, Thomas.
They've turned us in to the fat kid who's shit at sports day so his dad tells him it doesn't matter. Fuck off Fox you numpty clown, someone ring this pillock a taxi.
Jesus that has brought back memories.
It's brought on an asthma attack here
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Arsenal look like they might win the league now he's gone.
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In the recent interview he mentioned a new chairman joining and this would be of great help to him , I think he is well aware he is out of his depth with on the pitch matters but has no support really from Randy.
I saw David Dein's name popped up somewhere as a rumoured new chairman.
Probably no truth in that but that's the sort of person we need running the show here, not more people on work experience.
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David Dein......
That'd be on a par with us making a 60 million bid for Aguero.
I'm thinking more along the lines of Max Lerner
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I simply dread to think what master stroke these clowns are lining up by way of a chairman. This lot couldn't find their arse with both hands, let alone someone with the ability to help turn this car crash of a club around. Just sell up as soon as you can and let someone with an iota of running a football club do it.
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I simply dread to think what master stroke these clowns are lining up by way of a chairman. This lot couldn't find their arse with both hands, let alone someone with the ability to help turn this car crash of a club around. Just sell up as soon as you can and let someone with an iota of running a football club do it.
Des, we all know it will be someone with a flashy smile, a sharp suit, polished shoes and all the salesman patter but shit for brains and as much football knowledge as my mom.
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Keith Harris? Oh no he died didn't he? Orville?
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Thing is, Tom Fox is a money man. His job and his raison d'etre is in the business world and his brief is to raise and make money. Therefore, to him, and for what h's been hired to do results simply aren't the be all and end all. Making millions is. Or, rather, thousands where we're going.
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That'd be on a par with us making a 60 million bid for Aguero.
I reckon we'll get him for that much and throw in £250K a week with a free Fiat 500.
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Need to get Nicola Cortese in as chairman asap to repeat the job he did at Southampton
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Thing is Peter W, that is not his role at Villa, he is the CEO and has a responsibility for other things not just finance, things can look great on a spread sheet especially as he will do what all financial people like him do, look at the last figures and place them against what he has now coming in, please note I said NOW, this something special that he links to not having alot to do with winning football matches, WTF, will not look so special when there is a gate of 15 thousand against MK Dons on a cold night just before Christmas 2016.
He is the CEO of Aston Villa and his disconnect to the world where his paying customers live is frightening and he is the latest in a long list of Randy appointments of this like, we will never get the football side of this great club right whilst we employ people who Soccer is all about the spread sheet, not what happens on that green thing we only use once a week called a pitch.
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Thing is, Tom Fox is a money man. His job and his raison d'etre is in the business world and his brief is to raise and make money. Therefore, to him, and for what h's been hired to do results simply aren't the be all and end all. Making millions is. Or, rather, thousands where we're going.
Even then, it's money for the business, not his back pocket directly and the best way of earning money in football is to win a few games. For a club that's going to struggle to compete at the very top without spending money it can't afford, there's probably a "sweet spot" from a making money point of view, which I'd guess is around where Everton usually manage to finish with their level of investment.
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All you need to do to be handed tens of millions on a plate each year is just be a little bit less shit than 3 other teams. We can't even manage that, so all the things like an extra million or two from shirt sponsorship are utterly meaningless. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.
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Our turnover next season will probably be lower than in 2007. His precious bottom line says he should be sacked in the summer, terrible job.
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Our turnover next season will probably be lower than in 2007. His precious bottom line says he should be sacked in the summer, terrible job.
Not particularly sticking up for him but bottom line is profit / loss, not turnover.
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Our turnover next season will probably be lower than in 2007. His precious bottom line says he should be sacked in the summer, terrible job.
Not particularly sticking up for him but bottom line is profit / loss, not turnover.
Good point. On a reduced turnover of around £70-80m next season, with our expenses I expect us to make one hell of a loss again. He should be sacked.
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It also won't look too smart that he's managed to reduce our turnover by around £45m in one season. Is this the something special he's been working on?
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All you need to do to be handed tens of millions on a plate each year is just be a little bit less shit than 3 other teams. We can't even manage that, so all the things like an extra million or two from shirt sponsorship are utterly meaningless. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.
Totally agree. Those sorts of sums are the equivalent of N'Zogbia's annual wage.
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Need to get Nicola Cortese in as chairman asap to repeat the job he did at Southampton
Does she go to away games?
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It also won't look too smart that he's managed to reduce our turnover by around £45m in one season. Is this the something special he's been working on?
but dont forget we have a new shirt deal
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It also won't look too smart that he's managed to reduce our turnover by around £45m in one season. Is this the something special he's been working on?
but dont forget we have a new shirt deal
Which is still less than the deal we had a few years ago under Genting isn't it?
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It also won't look too smart that he's managed to reduce our turnover by around £45m in one season. Is this the something special he's been working on?
but dont forget we have a new shirt deal
Which is still less than the deal we had a few years ago under Genting isn't it?
i wouldnt be surprised but the spin will be that fungi yakashisi is an upcoming brand lol
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Joey Barton talking sense on 5 live just now. Says Fox and Lerner are muppets who shouldn't be near a great club like Aston Villa.
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Joey Barton talking sense on 5 live just now. Says Fox and Lerner are muppets who shouldn't be near a great club like Aston Villa.
Pat Murphy now talking how Tony Barton did our scouting so successfully compared to the way we are set up now.
Mommy, mommy I want my club back.
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Joey Barton talking sense on 5 live just now. Says Fox and Lerner are muppets who shouldn't be near a great club like Aston Villa.
Pat Murphy now talking how Tony Barton did our scouting so successfully compared to the way we are set up now.
Mommy, mommy I want my club back.
To be fair back then you'd got 91 clubs with squads of 17 or 18 to keep track of.
These days you've got the whole world to try and sort out if you want decent talent at sensible prices unless you can afford to be a top feeder like Mancs x 2 & Chelsea, Bayern München and Barcelona / Real Madrid. Not even the big Italian clubs can really afford to do it that way any more.
I'd say the that the problem has been we're only now getting anything approaching the right set up in place. There may well be issues with the individuals in those roles, but the basic template is one we should have had during Doug's time.
Unfortunately we went from Doug's vanity project to MON's personal fiefdom to complete freefall to get here. There's plenty of discussion how well the club has or hasn't been run over the years on other threads without filling this one as well.
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
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It also won't look too smart that he's managed to reduce our turnover by around £45m in one season. Is this the something special he's been working on?
but dont forget we have a new shirt deal
With Henson.
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Joey Barton talking sense on 5 live just now. Says Fox and Lerner are muppets who shouldn't be near a great club like Aston Villa.
I wouldn't take Joey Barton seriously if he told me Villa are bottom of the table and a sure bet for relegation. He's a fucking roach of the greatest order and his words mean shit.
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Need to get Nicola Cortese in as chairman asap to repeat the job he did at Southampton
Does she go to away games?
No, think that's Nicky Keye.
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
I would sooner listen to Joey Barton than that fool Pat Murphy.
One of the very few benefits of us going down is Pat Murphy wont be talking about us any more.
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
I would sooner listen to Joey Barton than that fool Pat Murphy.
One of the very few benefits of us going down is Pat Murphy wont be talking about us any more.
Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
I would sooner listen to Joey Barton than that fool Pat Murphy.
One of the very few benefits of us going down is Pat Murphy wont be talking about us any more.
I'll miss Pat Murphy if this is the case. I loved the way they ripped into Fox on radio 5 last night.
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
Starts at 58.07 for anyone who wants to listen.
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I'm in 2 minds about signing this. Kneejerk reaction says sign. Sensible me says wait till the meeting, but my knee is getting sore banging on my desk.
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
I would sooner listen to Joey Barton than that fool Pat Murphy.
One of the very few benefits of us going down is Pat Murphy wont be talking about us any more.
One of the few benefits of us going down is that nobody will be talking about us!.
Not having to listen to the ' in depth ' criticism ( or what passes for ) of Shearer, Wright, Savage et al t makes relegation seem an almost welcome. relief......well, almost !
.........Godzvilla!
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
I would sooner listen to Joey Barton than that fool Pat Murphy.
One of the very few benefits of us going down is Pat Murphy wont be talking about us any more.
One of the few benefits of us going down is that nobody will be talking about us!.
Not having to listen to the ' in depth ' criticism ( or what passes for ) of Shearer, Wright, Savage et al t makes relegation seem an almost welcome. relief......well, almost !
.........Godzvilla!
We'll have to put up with that fucking idiot, George Riley, and Kelly Dalglish on the C5 Football League Show. And Claridge and Leory Rossenior on Sky. Jesus, it's beginning to sink in....
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Is it not Saint and Greavsie anymore then?
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.
We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.
Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!
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Of course the other thing to consider is the inordinate amount of matches that will be moved for television. Remember 'Walsall on a Friday night?'
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Is it not Saint and Greavsie anymore then?
Will will be the main match on Star Soccer again - or will it always be Derby?
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.
We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.
Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!
[/quoteDriving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.
We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.
Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!
Pardon? Richards, Lescott, Gana, Gestede - all summer signings have been a disaster!
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.
We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.
Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!
[/quoteDriving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.
We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.
Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!
Pardon? Richards, Lescott, Gana, Gestede - all summer signings have been a disaster!
Richards, Lescott, Gestede were all Sherwood picks, not Reilly or Almstadts. And as for Gana, I wouldn't write him off just yet, he might actually still come good, first season and all that.
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Barton also suggested there is a case for Jack Grealish to be in the current England squad/team.
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Barton also suggested there is a case for Jack Grealish to be in the current England squad/team.
Conclusive proof (if any were needed) that he speaks utter bollocks. He made more sense misappropriating French philosophers on Twitter
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His fondness of French philosophers reminded me of the scene in The Shawshank Redemption when a book by Alexander Dumbarse was referred to.
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There is absolutely nothing in what he said in the programme last night that sounded utter bollocks to me. I rarely listen to what he says and have very little time for him but what he said last night was close to the mark.
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I must confess to not having listened to the programme but that my comment was more a direct response to "There's a case for Grealish to be in the England squad". Christ there's barely a case for him to be in our match day squad at the moment.
In addition
1.) He's got at least a 99% Billy Bollocks strike rate.
2.) If he's commenting on something that isn't pseudo-intellectual bullshit, he's usually paraphrasing someone else and not offering anything insightful.
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Did he ever make a grovelling apology to Burnley fans for slagging their club and town before joining them, for possibly the best deal he could get?
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Barton also suggested there is a case for Jack Grealish to be in the current England squad/team.
Conclusive proof (if any were needed) that he speaks utter bollocks. He made more sense misappropriating French philosophers on Twitter
Yeah, but he does a crackin' French accent though. :)
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The only positive from Joey was Acknowledging how us supporters are suffering.
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.
We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.
Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!
Ayew et al may not be as bad Gabby and N'Zog and the others you mention, but the facts are that they are not making up for losing Benteke, Delph, Cleverley and Vlaar.
What should have happened over the summer was to bring in a few prospects to replace the ones we knew weren't good enough and adequately replace the quality players we lost.
For that reason the business we did over over the summer is definitely why we're going down.
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.
We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.
Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!
Ayew et al may not be as bad Gabby and N'Zog and the others you mention, but the facts are that they are not making up for losing Benteke, Delph, Cleverley and Vlaar.
What should have happened over the summer was to bring in a few prospects to replace the ones we knew weren't good enough and adequately replace the quality players we lost.
For that reason the business we did over over the summer is definitely why we're going down.
Disagree. In terms of numbers, we probably brought in as many as we could, with a reasonable mix of expected starters / back-up and development players.
The problem stems from (as ever) not looking any further forward than the next transfer window and not having sensible succession planning / squad development over the previous 18 months.
Especially with the Delph situation there was no excuse for not having someone in the squad who could have been broken in comparatively gently last season so he was pretty much good to go this season, or a least share the load with Guaye.
It's been another recurring theme from day 1 of Lerner's tenure and something the likes of paul_e have been banging on about for years now. We've been appalling at managing and developing the squad so that, as far as possible, we turn players over at a time and pace that suits us. It prevents wholesale changes to the matchday squad and gives us maximum return on players that are moving on.
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.
We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.
Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!
Ayew et al may not be as bad Gabby and N'Zog and the others you mention, but the facts are that they are not making up for losing Benteke, Delph, Cleverley and Vlaar.
What should have happened over the summer was to bring in a few prospects to replace the ones we knew weren't good enough and adequately replace the quality players we lost.
For that reason the business we did over over the summer is definitely why we're going down.
Disagree. In terms of numbers, we probably brought in as many as we could, with a reasonable mix of expected starters / back-up and development players.
The problem stems from (as ever) not looking any further forward than the next transfer window and not having sensible succession planning / squad development over the previous 18 months.
Especially with the Delph situation there was no excuse for not having someone in the squad who could have been broken in comparatively gently last season so he was pretty much good to go this season, or a least share the load with Guaye.
It's been another recurring theme from day 1 of Lerner's tenure and something the likes of paul_e have been banging on about for years now. We've been appalling at managing and developing the squad so that, as far as possible, we turn players over at a time and pace that suits us. It prevents wholesale changes to the matchday squad and gives us maximum return on players that are moving on.
Reading Sherwood's comments at the time, I think Delph's departure came somewhat as a surprise. He probably went from planning to bring in a midfielder to compliment him, to having to entirely start from scratch. I agree about management of the squad and reading Alex Ferguson's latest book, it is something he was very meticulous about. I personally still think it boils down to the continuous process over an extended period of replacing the decent players we had with players of lesser quality.
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Did he ever make a grovelling apology to Burnley fans for slagging their club and town before joining them, for possibly the best deal he could get?
he didnt slag their club and town for the best deal ,, but thats fine ,, say that if it fits your agenda
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.
We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.
Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!
Ayew et al may not be as bad Gabby and N'Zog and the others you mention, but the facts are that they are not making up for losing Benteke, Delph, Cleverley and Vlaar.
What should have happened over the summer was to bring in a few prospects to replace the ones we knew weren't good enough and adequately replace the quality players we lost.
For that reason the business we did over over the summer is definitely why we're going down.
Disagree. In terms of numbers, we probably brought in as many as we could, with a reasonable mix of expected starters / back-up and development players.
The problem stems from (as ever) not looking any further forward than the next transfer window and not having sensible succession planning / squad development over the previous 18 months.
Especially with the Delph situation there was no excuse for not having someone in the squad who could have been broken in comparatively gently last season so he was pretty much good to go this season, or a least share the load with Guaye.
It's been another recurring theme from day 1 of Lerner's tenure and something the likes of paul_e have been banging on about for years now. We've been appalling at managing and developing the squad so that, as far as possible, we turn players over at a time and pace that suits us. It prevents wholesale changes to the matchday squad and gives us maximum return on players that are moving on.
I see where you're coming from regarding several years of not adequately developing the squad rather than blaming it solely on a single transfer window.
However, once it became apparent that the best players were leaving, it was suicide to expect to rely on unknowns and the known not good enoughs. We needed a high quality striker, a high quality central midfielder and a high quality central defender plus potential upgrades in other areas.
Vertout and Gana should have been replacements for Shanchez and Westwood - not Delph and Cleverley.
Ayew should be playing alongside a top class striker not alongside Gestede.
Your argument is that this should have been done ages ago - I agree. But to let it go on for another season is undefendable.
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I must confess to not having listened to the programme but that my comment was more a direct response to "There's a case for Grealish to be in the England squad". Christ there's barely a case for him to be in our match day squad at the moment.
In addition
1.) He's got at least a 99% Billy Bollocks strike rate.
2.) If he's commenting on something that isn't pseudo-intellectual bullshit, he's usually paraphrasing someone else and not offering anything insightful.
Agree - I should have said with the exception of the ridiculous Grealish comment.
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A muppet that shouldn't be running a football club - could apply to Fox or Lerner but equally accurate for either.
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Did he ever make a grovelling apology to Burnley fans for slagging their club and town before joining them, for possibly the best deal he could get?
he didnt slag their club and town for the best deal ,, but thats fine ,, say that if it fits your agenda
No, he didn't but then again you didn't read my post properly. And what agenda are you on about?
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I must confess to not having listened to the programme but that my comment was more a direct response to "There's a case for Grealish to be in the England squad". Christ there's barely a case for him to be in our match day squad at the moment.
In addition
1.) He's got at least a 99% Billy Bollocks strike rate.
2.) If he's commenting on something that isn't pseudo-intellectual bullshit, he's usually paraphrasing someone else and not offering anything insightful.
'match day squad'.
I thought I would never see the day anyone would use it in a post.
It's a sad sad day.
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Collection of useless ******?
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I must confess to not having listened to the programme but that my comment was more a direct response to "There's a case for Grealish to be in the England squad". Christ there's barely a case for him to be in our match day squad at the moment.
In addition
1.) He's got at least a 99% Billy Bollocks strike rate.
2.) If he's commenting on something that isn't pseudo-intellectual bullshit, he's usually paraphrasing someone else and not offering anything insightful.
'match day squad'.
I thought I would never see the day anyone would use it in a post.
It's a sad sad day.
So what is an acceptable phrase for the 11 that start and the rest warming their arses on heated Recaro seats?
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Disagree. In terms of numbers, we probably brought in as many as we could, with a reasonable mix of expected starters / back-up and development players.
The problem stems from (as ever) not looking any further forward than the next transfer window and not having sensible succession planning / squad development over the previous 18 months.
Especially with the Delph situation there was no excuse for not having someone in the squad who could have been broken in comparatively gently last season so he was pretty much good to go this season, or a least share the load with Guaye.
It's been another recurring theme from day 1 of Lerner's tenure and something the likes of paul_e have been banging on about for years now. We've been appalling at managing and developing the squad so that, as far as possible, we turn players over at a time and pace that suits us. It prevents wholesale changes to the matchday squad and gives us maximum return on players that are moving on.
Reading Sherwood's comments at the time, I think Delph's departure came somewhat as a surprise. He probably went from planning to bring in a midfielder to compliment him, to having to entirely start from scratch. I agree about management of the squad and reading Alex Ferguson's latest book, it is something he was very meticulous about. I personally still think it boils down to the continuous process over an extended period of replacing the decent players we had with players of lesser quality.
Edited to reduce the quotathon.
I meant that we should have done something about it the previous summer when we "strengthened" the midfield with Joe Cole. After 6 months of him dropping none to subtle hints that he wanted to sign a new contract it all went quiet and we went into that summer with our best midfielder heading towards Bosman territory.
That's the sort of short sighted bollocks that's been driving some people nuts.
As for the summer just gone, I guess we'll never know for certain, but he wouldn't have insisted on an £8M release clause if he'd got no intention of leaving that summer. That was as good as a come and get me if you want to invitation once his agent had signed off on it. That's not to say he'd made his mind up at that point, someone like Everton could have come in and he might have turned round and said no thanks, but if one of the Manc clubs, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal showed an interest he was always going to go.
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'
Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'
Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv
While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.
We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.
Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!
In fairness we haven't properly replaced Benteke, Delph or to a lesser extent Vlaar. When you sell Benteke and replace him with Gestede (regardless of whose signing it was) then you are asking for trouble. Likewise Delph for Gana.
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I must confess to not having listened to the programme but that my comment was more a direct response to "There's a case for Grealish to be in the England squad". Christ there's barely a case for him to be in our match day squad at the moment.
In addition
1.) He's got at least a 99% Billy Bollocks strike rate.
2.) If he's commenting on something that isn't pseudo-intellectual bullshit, he's usually paraphrasing someone else and not offering anything insightful.
'match day squad'.
I thought I would never see the day anyone would use it in a post.
It's a sad sad day.
So what is an acceptable phrase for the 11 that start and the rest warming their arses on heated Recaro seats?
Maybe it's just me but it all sounds a bit too Richard Scudamore.
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I must confess to not having listened to the programme but that my comment was more a direct response to "There's a case for Grealish to be in the England squad". Christ there's barely a case for him to be in our match day squad at the moment.
In addition
1.) He's got at least a 99% Billy Bollocks strike rate.
2.) If he's commenting on something that isn't pseudo-intellectual bullshit, he's usually paraphrasing someone else and not offering anything insightful.
'match day squad'.
I thought I would never see the day anyone would use it in a post.
It's a sad sad day.
So what is an acceptable phrase for the 11 that start and the rest warming their arses on heated Recaro seats?
Maybe it's just me but it all sounds a bit too Richard Scudamore.
Fair enough, but there still needs to be an alternative phrase.
I thought of match day 18 but decided that that stank of Scudamore. It's a squad of 18 players used on the day of the match.
What I think is bollocks is that it's 18 players at all. They're slowly turning it into American football.
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Disagree. In terms of numbers, we probably brought in as many as we could, with a reasonable mix of expected starters / back-up and development players.
The problem stems from (as ever) not looking any further forward than the next transfer window and not having sensible succession planning / squad development over the previous 18 months.
Especially with the Delph situation there was no excuse for not having someone in the squad who could have been broken in comparatively gently last season so he was pretty much good to go this season, or a least share the load with Guaye.
It's been another recurring theme from day 1 of Lerner's tenure and something the likes of paul_e have been banging on about for years now. We've been appalling at managing and developing the squad so that, as far as possible, we turn players over at a time and pace that suits us. It prevents wholesale changes to the matchday squad and gives us maximum return on players that are moving on.
Reading Sherwood's comments at the time, I think Delph's departure came somewhat as a surprise. He probably went from planning to bring in a midfielder to compliment him, to having to entirely start from scratch. I agree about management of the squad and reading Alex Ferguson's latest book, it is something he was very meticulous about. I personally still think it boils down to the continuous process over an extended period of replacing the decent players we had with players of lesser quality.
If Delph's leaving came as a surprise to anyone at the club, then they're dafter than we thought.
What did they think would happen when he signed a contract with a release fee of exactly what we'd paid for him? What on earth do they think Delph's thinking was with that?
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The fact that they made such a thing about him signing was pathetic. Loads of gullible people looking at his face on that big screen and clapping and cheering. They made a big deal of that signing and knew he was fucking off.
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VD it's a tough one to call,it used to be 'The team'.
Modern football needs to label everything these days to sell it.
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VD it's a tough one to call,it used to be 'The team'.
Modern football needs to label everything these days to sell it.
Maybe, but to me the team is the 11 on the pitch.
Back in the day when it was 1 sub, or even that new fangled 2 subs I'd agree, but these days it's so bloated it is a squad.
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I hate the squad of 18, it just facilitates the top clubs stock piling more players, as well as the loan system.
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The fact that they made such a thing about him signing was pathetic. Loads of gullible people looking at his face on that big screen and clapping and cheering. They made a big deal of that signing and knew he was fucking off.
I wouldn't say they knew but they must have known there was an extremely good chance. They certainly shouldn't have been surprised.
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The fact that they made such a thing about him signing was pathetic. Loads of gullible people looking at his face on that big screen and clapping and cheering. They made a big deal of that signing and knew he was fucking off.
I wouldn't say they knew but they must have known there was an extremely good chance. They certainly shouldn't have been surprised.
I think they knew and I think they told Delph to come out with all that crap
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The fact that they made such a thing about him signing was pathetic. Loads of gullible people looking at his face on that big screen and clapping and cheering. They made a big deal of that signing and knew he was fucking off.
I wouldn't say they knew but they must have known there was an extremely good chance. They certainly shouldn't have been surprised.
I think they knew and I think they told Delph to come out with all that crap
I'm sure they said "We'll give you a release clause and if you want to stay or leave then that's on you." He then came out with the public address so he could prove there is loyalty in football. And then we got relegated.
Did they know he was probably off? Sure they did. They're weak.
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VD it's a tough one to call,it used to be 'The team'.
Modern football needs to label everything these days to sell it.
Maybe, but to me the team is the 11 on the pitch.
Back in the day when it was 1 sub, or even that new fangled 2 subs I'd agree, but these days it's so bloated it is a squad.
At least they haven't started calling the 'the roster' yet.
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If only we had time outs. Remi could've called them over to warn Bacuna about the perils of throwing the ball directly to the oppositions MVP.