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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Smirker on October 24, 2015, 04:51:28 PM
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Sack the c***.
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
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A bit like a slightly less offensive version of Leicester.
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The sad thing is we actually have a good squad of players.
Sack the c***.
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Yawn, same old same old. Defeats hardly register anymore. I don't really know any other result but a defeat.
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No way some of these players should have this record. Gana is a proper player, so is Gil, so it seems is Ayew, so can be Grealish, so can be Veretout, Amavi, etc. 8 defeats from 11? There's only one man whose fault that is.
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Doomed.
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I feel for everyone who has gone down today and everyone with STs. Deserve a lot better than this shit. 10 games 8 losses. Just awful.
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
That's just it, it's not. We have a terrible manager that needs to be fired. We have a very decent infrastructure now, much more solid financially, and we still have some good and very good players. The players we bought in the summer aren't shit. They just have not been used well.
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Yawn, same old same old. Defeats hardly register anymore. I don't really know any other result but a defeat.
This.
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Predictible.
Fuck This Bullshit Merchant Off.
I'd rather McLeish back, utterly useless but was not a total twat.
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Very, very sad. The club is on its knees. We need a very good manager.
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Six defeats in a row. He just has to go. I know Lerner tries to be patient with his managers but he surely has to pull the trigger now doesn't he?
Swansea were poor but we were even worse. Leave it too much longer and it won't matter who's in charge. we'll be fucked no matter what.
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decisive action needed tonight please Foxy
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Very, very sad. The club is on its knees. We need a very good manager.
Just a competent one would be fine.
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Disappointment doesnt even register anymore. Everyone seems to aimlessly run around. There doesnt appear to be much tactics going on.
All i can hope is someone fresh to come in and stop the rot. If we end up going down so be it but it would be good to go with a bit of fight.
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2-1 them with both their goals coming in the last 20 minutes.
It's so obvious with this clown in charge. He's actually making Lambert look good this season.
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Cold and pissed off, substitutions again completely messed the flow of the team up. There were obvious ones to make, Richardson was poor and Rudy is NOT anything like a premier league striker, complete carthorse. Tried to be clever, swap the team around and it all went to fucking pot again.
I've had enough. Can they all resign, leave the keys to the place with someone in the Holte Hotel and let a bunch of fans have a go because I swear to fuck we'd make a better job of these absoloute cretins running the show.
Garbage day.
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theres some good players out there playing for us, but the manager just aint doing anything, we will sack him at some time, but we will also go down, so lets start preparing for the championship.
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We don't have a quality striker at the club*, and are therefore fucked. Almstadt needs to find a very good one in January, and Lerner will have to pay whatever it takes to sign him, because otherwise we're going down.
*Although I personally think Kozak is way better than Gestede, and could thrive with Grealish and Ayew.
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I just cant see anyway out of this.
Relegation looks an absolute certainty for this stinking rotten team.
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It would have reasonable to sack him after the Stoke game. It's absolutely imperative now. In the words of The Sweet, he just hasn't got a clue what to do.
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
That's just it, it's not. We have a terrible manager that needs to be fired. We have a very decent infrastructure now, much more solid financially, and we still have some good and very good players. The players we bought in the summer aren't shit. They just have not been used well.
Are you Randy hiding in Canada?
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
That's just it, it's not. We have a terrible manager that needs to be fired. We have a very decent infrastructure now, much more solid financially, and we still have some good and very good players. The players we bought in the summer aren't shit. They just have not been used well.
Are you Randy hiding in Canada?
what on earth does that even mean?
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I missed Tim's comment saying we would definitely win this match. Heard the commentators mention it when we went 2-1 down. I couldn't believe it.
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Pull the trigger, Lerner, and remember what type of club you own. This is unnaceptable. Shame on you.
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Although as a brief aside, had we won 3-1 today it wouldn't have been an unfair result.
The performance wasn't quite there, but it was much better than anything we've seen from them for a while.
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Not so much sacked in the morning but sacked tonight please.
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Right big fucking surprise. Time's up.
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
That's just it, it's not. We have a terrible manager that needs to be fired. We have a very decent infrastructure now, much more solid financially, and we still have some good and very good players. The players we bought in the summer aren't shit. They just have not been used well.
Are you Randy hiding in Canada?
what on earth does that even mean?
I don't know, but I'm starting to worry that even Justin Trudeau wouldn't keep this Villa team up now. Good players, but that's a lot of games ticked off.
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Although as a brief aside, had we won 3-1 today it wouldn't have been an unfair result.
The performance wasn't quite there, but it was much better than anything we've seen from them for a while.
Great.
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Pull the trigger, Lerner, and remember what type of club you own. This is unnaceptable. Shame on you.
Remember the old days of the emergency board meeting and then the manager getting fired? We need Fox to FaceTime Randy and do the same thing tonight.
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Pat Murphy sounds delighted.
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Predictible.
Fuck This Bullshit Merchant Off.
I'd rather McLeish back, utterly useless but was not a total twat.
you know what , I agree
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Men of the Match - Jordan Ayew & Alan Hutton, but for me Hutton shaded it (as much as I don't like him)
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
That's just it, it's not. We have a terrible manager that needs to be fired. We have a very decent infrastructure now, much more solid financially, and we still have some good and very good players. The players we bought in the summer aren't shit. They just have not been used well.
Are you Randy hiding in Canada?
what on earth does that even mean?
I don't know, but I'm starting to worry that even Justin Trudeau wouldn't keep this Villa team up now. Good players, but that's a lot of games ticked off.
If they're good players then perhaps a different manager (one with a pedigree) would keep them up?
Unless deep down you think they're actually shite?
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This side should be nowhere near the bottom three, there's some real talent there. The problem is Tim simply has no idea how to manage ninety minutes or control the game time as could be seen when right on cue - like last season - Swansea got us on the break in the closing stages. Deja vu.
I like Tim but he is not the man to take us forward. We need a real, experienced manager (and coaches) to get the best out of this squad and club. It is time to act Villa.
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Time for the long walk through the woods. Wrong manager at the wrong time
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Is he gone yet?
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Although as a brief aside, had we won 3-1 today it wouldn't have been an unfair result.
The performance wasn't quite there, but it was much better than anything we've seen from them for a while.
It was still sufficiently shit in enough areas though to enable us to lose to a team in a very bad run of form.
Lescott is hopeless, Guzan messed up his positioning for a free kick again, Gestede is no more a footballer than Sherwood is a manager or I am a Tibetan monk, and Gabby will probably never score another league goal.
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How have we gone from an FA Cup final to this, totally fucking surreal.
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I wonder what he sees that nobody else sees.
What did he see Gestede contributing, for example? He was jogging or walking around most of the time, we were practically down to ten men.
If there is a scrap of pride left in this club, even a scrap, he has got to be sacked, and quickly.
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Predictible.
Fuck This Bullshit Merchant Off.
I'd rather McLeish back, utterly useless but was not a total twat.
you know what , I agree
Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic springs to mind.
Nothing will change at this club till either Lerner comes to his senses or sells up.
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There's just no way Sherwood should be our manager by next week. He has to go. Act now. He's useless. We've got some talent in the squad. Anyone with half a brain could come in and improve us with just a little bit of organisation.
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How on earth did richardson stay on for the full game?
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
That's just it, it's not. We have a terrible manager that needs to be fired. We have a very decent infrastructure now, much more solid financially, and we still have some good and very good players. The players we bought in the summer aren't shit. They just have not been used well.
Are you Randy hiding in Canada?
what on earth does that even mean?
I don't know, but I'm starting to worry that even Justin Trudeau wouldn't keep this Villa team up now. Good players, but that's a lot of games ticked off.
If they're good players then perhaps a different manager (one with a pedigree) would keep them up?
Unless deep down you think they're actually shite?
We're a long way behind other clubs in terms of preparation - you need a competent manager to train players into a style, that can take time and we've wasted loads. We also have a grim looking fixture list now, playing teams which have better players than us anyway.
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He should do what Keegan did after losing to sn abject loss to Germany.
JUST FUCKING GO
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
That's just it, it's not. We have a terrible manager that needs to be fired. We have a very decent infrastructure now, much more solid financially, and we still have some good and very good players. The players we bought in the summer aren't shit. They just have not been used well.
Are you Randy hiding in Canada?
what on earth does that even mean?
I don't know, but I'm starting to worry that even Justin Trudeau wouldn't keep this Villa team up now. Good players, but that's a lot of games ticked off.
If they're good players then perhaps a different manager (one with a pedigree) would keep them up?
Unless deep down you think they're actually shite?
As galling as it feels it is still only 4 points not 14. It's not like Norwich or Bournemouth who are above us are playing brilliantly. So with the right approach we can get out of this. And don't forget that Everton were bottom or bottom three at least at Christmas and finished mid table. It's not remotely over yet.
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Swansea 8/5 to win this. Should be like printing free money.
Do you want to bet against us? At the moment, yes, every bloody week that fuckwit's in charge.
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Men of the Match - Jordan Ayew & Alan Hutton, but for me Hutton shaded it (as much as I don't like him)
The problem is when your only width is from your fullbacks and you have a striker who literally only offers anything when you're getting crosses onto his head you really can't afford for your fullback to fluff every single crossing chance he got and for that reason I can't give Hutton the MOTM award.
My bigger concern is that all the things we did well seemed to come from the players not from training.
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How on earth did he not bring Amavi on, Richardson was shattered and was making that sub, who looked shocking the other night v Stoke, look like Lionel Messi. I keep hearing about the squad being shit, I don't agree. The likes of Clark, Okore, Veretout, Ilori and Kozak weren't even on the fecking bench today. Gabby was knackered as well, yet he takes Grealish off, who was getting into the game in the second half.
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Great. Can we have a proper Manager now please?
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How have we gone from an FA Cup final to this, totally fucking surreal.
No, we've been in decline for more than 5 years now. The FA Cup run was oasis in an ocean of shit.
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I just cant see anyway out of this.
Relegation looks an absolute certainty for this stinking rotten team.
I disagree - this is a decent team being poorly coached and managed.
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This side should be nowhere near the bottom three, there's some real talent there. The problem is Tim simply has no idea how to manage ninety minutes or control the game time as could be seen when right on cue - like last season - Swansea got us on the break in the closing stages. Deja vu.
I agree. He has no idea how to use substitutes to control the game - and his team selections to start with are strange. It's time to go Tim
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How have we gone from an FA Cup final to this, totally fucking surreal.
No, we've been in decline for more than 5 years now. The FA Cup run was oasis in an ocean of shit.
The final itself was a fairly shitty oasis, mind.
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Since Lescott came and Gestede became a regular in the side, we have gone from bad to worse. Can't Sherwood see the limitations in Gestede. Unless you put the ball on his head in the penalty area he is nothing and therefore we are playing with 10 players. In the PL you cannot carry players.
I looked at the team before the game and thought how weak it looked in midfield and saw that everybody else was making the same comment. So why cannot Sherwood see it. It is almost as though he is thinking "f*** everybody else, I am just going to be controversial with my selections". I just do not get it. Is he trying to get the sack.
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I thought we played okay, but u just cannot continue to switch off in your own box
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Although as a brief aside, had we won 3-1 today it wouldn't have been an unfair result.
The performance wasn't quite there, but it was much better than anything we've seen from them for a while.
Great.
Thanks for the insight.
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
That's just it, it's not. We have a terrible manager that needs to be fired. We have a very decent infrastructure now, much more solid financially, and we still have some good and very good players. The players we bought in the summer aren't shit. They just have not been used well.
Are you Randy hiding in Canada?
what on earth does that even mean?
I don't know, but I'm starting to worry that even Justin Trudeau wouldn't keep this Villa team up now. Good players, but that's a lot of games ticked off.
If they're good players then perhaps a different manager (one with a pedigree) would keep them up?
Unless deep down you think they're actually shite?
As galling as it feels it is still only 4 points not 14. It's not like Norwich or Bournemouth who are above us are playing brilliantly. So with the right approach we can get out of this. And don't forget that Everton were bottom or bottom three at least at Christmas and finished mid table. It's not remotely over yet.
I'm with you with that. A new manager could give us a lift and Lerner has to make the change NOW.
Our decline will not end with a change in manager though. That'll will only end with Randy selling up, in my opinion.
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How have we gone from an FA Cup final to this, totally fucking surreal.
No, we've been in decline for more than 5 years now. The FA Cup run was oasis in an ocean of shit.
The final itself was a fairly shitty oasis, mind.
An oasis of piss.
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No surprise that the players Sherwood says he didn't want were the the few positives from today. Gueye looks like he's a great find, so industrious, a proper footballer. Ayew from looking like a lost schoolboy showed such encouraging signs today, I'm really happy to have him at Villa Park.
The player Sherwood said he wanted, Gestede, looks at best a sub and that's being generous.
The only other positive is this surely had to have been Sherwood's last game. I like our squad, we just need a manager to bring it all together. I just hope the board have done their homework.
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
That's just it, it's not. We have a terrible manager that needs to be fired. We have a very decent infrastructure now, much more solid financially, and we still have some good and very good players. The players we bought in the summer aren't shit. They just have not been used well.
Are you Randy hiding in Canada?
what on earth does that even mean?
I don't know, but I'm starting to worry that even Justin Trudeau wouldn't keep this Villa team up now. Good players, but that's a lot of games ticked off.
If they're good players then perhaps a different manager (one with a pedigree) would keep them up?
Unless deep down you think they're actually shite?
As galling as it feels it is still only 4 points not 14. It's not like Norwich or Bournemouth who are above us are playing brilliantly. So with the right approach we can get out of this. And don't forget that Everton were bottom or bottom three at least at Christmas and finished mid table. It's not remotely over yet.
I'm with you with that. A new manager could give us a lift and Lerner has to make the change NOW.
Our decline will not end with a change in manager though. That'll will only end with Randy selling up, in my opinion.
I'll take moving off four points after 10 games for now and worry about the rest later.
We can't force Randy to sell, we can't magic up a buyer, but Randy can sack this useless fucking chancer. He's so out of his depth it is painful to watch week after week.
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If not tonight, then when?
How far adrift do we have to be before we act?
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Men of the Match - Jordan Ayew & Alan Hutton, but for me Hutton shaded it (as much as I don't like him)
The problem is when your only width is from your fullbacks and you have a striker who literally only offers anything when you're getting crosses onto his head you really can't afford for your fullback to fluff every single crossing chance he got and for that reason I can't give Hutton the MOTM award.
My bigger concern is that all the things we did well seemed to come from the players not from training.
Cant disagree with you but he was still (shared) Man Of The Match for me
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How have we gone from an FA Cup final to this, totally fucking surreal.
Nothing surreal about it - we've been shit for 5 years.
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Never learns from his bloody mistakes. Stupid man. Fuck off out of my club!
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I thought the first half was very poor, but we actually played ok in the second half till they equalised then it went pear shaped. Actually thought Bacuna did ok in the centre
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https://twitter.com/Neil_Moxley/status/657948810526793728
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Grab the bull by the horns tonight, Randy, and sack him now. Not tomorrow or the next day, do it NOW!
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Pat Murphy sounds delighted.
Pat Murphy if we are relegated
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
That's just it, it's not. We have a terrible manager that needs to be fired. We have a very decent infrastructure now, much more solid financially, and we still have some good and very good players. The players we bought in the summer aren't shit. They just have not been used well.
Sherwood needs to be fired, yes. However, who is in charge of the replacement? Fox? The bloke that stated Sherwood was on a shortlist of one?
I dread to think Sherwood's replacement if he's sacked tonight, which he should be. Are we so short on money that we can't look to be more ambitious than to appoint a manager with so little experience? Considering the money rolling in next season from the new tv deal, Sherwood's appointment looks naive at best and negligent at worst.
We're two points behind Newcastle and four behind Bournemouth as it stands and both teams have a game in hand on us. I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in the board appointing anyone decent either, should Sherwood be fired. Rotten leadership from the top. Any one of us on here could have said what was going to happen with Sherwood, and here we are. Villa are not led well, from boardroom to pitch-side. It is a dreadful combination and one which will see us go down.
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I just cant see anyway out of this.
Relegation looks an absolute certainty for this stinking rotten team.
I disagree - this is a decent team being poorly coached and managed.
No doubt Sherwood is to blame, but more than a quarter of the season has gone and we have 4 points. We don't have any natural goal scorers, the defense is utterly porous.
Whoever comes in will have to work a fucking miracle.
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https://twitter.com/Neil_Moxley/status/657948810526793728
Christ I thought that was gonna be something worth reading.
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Delete
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
That's just it, it's not. We have a terrible manager that needs to be fired. We have a very decent infrastructure now, much more solid financially, and we still have some good and very good players. The players we bought in the summer aren't shit. They just have not been used well.
Are you Randy hiding in Canada?
what on earth does that even mean?
I don't know, but I'm starting to worry that even Justin Trudeau wouldn't keep this Villa team up now. Good players, but that's a lot of games ticked off.
If they're good players then perhaps a different manager (one with a pedigree) would keep them up?
Unless deep down you think they're actually shite?
I think they are shite, these are not good players.
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Average game, no way should we have lost that at 1-0 up. Swansea were awful themselves.
Whichever way you analyss it we are just not good enough at this level defensively or going forward to win games.
We are losing consistantly to out of form mid table teams, games even in the last few seasons we've still picked up points.
I just think whatever happens we are done at this level now, just look at our results, 1 point out of 30 now?!
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https://twitter.com/Neil_Moxley/status/657948810526793728
Showed a glimpse of that on Setenta, looked like Richards went after that player he had a go at during the game.
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
That's just it, it's not. We have a terrible manager that needs to be fired. We have a very decent infrastructure now, much more solid financially, and we still have some good and very good players. The players we bought in the summer aren't shit. They just have not been used well.
Sherwood needs to be fired, yes. However, who is in charge of the replacement? Fox? The bloke that stated Sherwood was on a shortlist of one?
I dread to think Sherwood's replacement if he's sacked tonight, which he should be. Are we so short on money that we can't look to be more ambitious than to appoint a manager with so little experience? Considering the money rolling in next season from the new tv deal, Sherwood's appointment looks naive at best and negligent at worst.
We're two points behind Newcastle and four behind Bournemouth as it stands and both teams have a game in hand on us. I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in the board appointing anyone decent either, should Sherwood be fired. Rotten leadership from the top. Any one of us on here could have said what was going to happen with Sherwood, and here we are. Villa are not led well, from boardroom to pitch-side. It is a dreadful combination and one which will see us go down.
Couldn't agree more.
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https://twitter.com/Neil_Moxley/status/657948810526793728
Christ I thought that was gonna be something worth reading.
Depends why it's kicked off surely? (If it has)
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Sigh, same old shite.
I cant be arsed to be angry at anyone any more.
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What is staggering is that Swansea were really, really poor, as bad as they have been at any point since they got into this league. Pretty much any team you care to mention would have beaten them today, yet we can't do it.
We can not beat anyone. That's the whole problem. The fact we usually can't scrape a draw (8 losses from 10 matches is staggeringly bad) is just the icing on the cake.
And the stupid thing is, we have some good individual players. He just doesn't have the first idea what to do with them.
How many other managers would have left Gestede on for the whole match, for example? That was such an obvious substitution to make. He contributed absolutely nothing, jogging around aimlessly.
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I'm lost for words really. There were some encouraging signs but even then we lose. How the defence managed to leave three players on Hutton in the six yard box is ridiculous, especially given out two centre backs are experienced.
It's obvious to me that nothing is going to change with the current management team, we're in a rut and they don't appear to be able to stop it. The next two fixtures are likely to see us with 4 points from 12 games. The only consolation is that we are only a couple of wins from getting back amongst the pack and battling for safety but for that to happen it needs a change and the sooner the better. Hopefully, the board's silence means there's a plan.
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https://twitter.com/Neil_Moxley/status/657948810526793728
Christ I thought that was gonna be something worth reading.
Depends why it's kicked off surely? (If it has)
Richardson and Hernandez continuing their gripe fromt he match. It has kicked off, they showed it on the stream I was watching.
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There's just no way Sherwood should be our manager by next week. He has to go. Act now. He's useless. We've got some talent in the squad. Anyone with half a brain could come in and improve us with just a little bit of organisation.
NEXT WEEK - TONIGHT, Dim tim fuck off
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This club is fucking rotten at every level.
That's just it, it's not. We have a terrible manager that needs to be fired. We have a very decent infrastructure now, much more solid financially, and we still have some good and very good players. The players we bought in the summer aren't shit. They just have not been used well.
Are you Randy hiding in Canada?
what on earth does that even mean?
I don't know, but I'm starting to worry that even Justin Trudeau wouldn't keep this Villa team up now. Good players, but that's a lot of games ticked off.
If they're good players then perhaps a different manager (one with a pedigree) would keep them up?
Unless deep down you think they're actually shite?
I think they are shite, these are not good players.
There's some total crap in the squad, I'll give you that. One or two decent players in there as well though. My only hope is that we benefit from a 'new manager lift', but our decline will only end when the disgrace that is Randy Lerner finally sells up and fucks off out of our club. He is public enemy number 1 in my opinion.
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Just seen him on sky he looks like a beaten man.
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https://twitter.com/Neil_Moxley/status/657948810526793728
Christ I thought that was gonna be something worth reading.
Depends why it's kicked off surely? (If it has)
I meant I thought it was gonna be news about Tim fecking off.
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Just seen him on sky he looks like a beaten man.
That's appropriate, because he is - 6 times in a row.
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He doesn't have a clue, he has to go tonight.
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Out!
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..our decline will only end when the disgrace that is Randy Lerner finally sells up and fucks off out of our club. He is public enemy number 1 in my opinion.
You've changed your tune.
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Away for the weekend for a break and found myself in a pub watching that shit. Weekend ruined. I'm old enough to know better.
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..our decline will only end when the disgrace that is Randy Lerner finally sells up and fucks off out of our club. He is public enemy number 1 in my opinion.
You've changed your tune.
Never. That man has dragged our club down into the gutter.
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I thought we played okay, but u just cannot continue to switch off in your own box
oh yeah we played well,
no we didn't, individuals dis some good stuff, but hardly any team work, going forward, what the fuck ids that?
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Post match interview:
"Am I going to be in the job next week? I'm not the person to ask. I feel like the club is in a hole.
"I am disappointed with the result, we didn't deserve to lose the game. We can't carry anyone because we're getting done. At the moment we are short. If people don't give everything we'll come up short.
"There's no shortage in desire but the quality is not quite there. We're not world beaters. Our league position suggests we're not and today wasn't our day."
The usual 'not my fault guv' bollocks then.
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Well the word was he had the Chelsea and Swansea games to save himself. So, in other words, another 5% of the fixture list wasted. Please now sack him before the clocks go back.
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How can you win a game with Guzan Lescott and Gestede in a team?
I thought Bacuna was our best player.
Richards is a poser, he does not need to get involved or go diving after the ball.
Sorry Ayew just runs up blind alleys.
Ricardson is so average it is untrue.
Gana again nice touches but does not effect the game either offensively or defensively.
Hutton can not cross the ball.
Jack was excellent today and set up the goal.
Gabby at least ran about a bit but is obviously not fit.
This is a relegation team with a Manager out of his depth, we might sack Sherwood but I think it maybe too late.
The situation we are in today is because of 5 years of awful leadership and strategy by the owner.
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Post match interview:
"Am I going to be in the job next week? I'm not the person to ask. I feel like the club is in a hole.
"I am disappointed with the result, we didn't deserve to lose the game. We can't carry anyone because we're getting done. At the moment we are short. If people don't give everything we'll come up short.
"There's no shortage in desire but the quality is not quite there. We're not world beaters. Our league position suggests we're not and today wasn't our day."
The usual 'not my fault guv' bollocks then.
Typical blame the players and other staff bullshit.
I genuinely dislike this bloke to DOL levels.
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On Final Score he seemed to be putting all the blame on the players saying things like 'if they're not up for it they shouldn't be out there' and he finished by saying the club is in a hole not him.
So you see it's every body else's fault and nothing to do with him.
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How can you win a game with Guzan Lescott and Gestede in a team?
I thought Bacuna was our best player.
Richards is a poser, he does not need to get involved or go diving after the ball.
Sorry Ayew just runs up blind alleys.
Ricardson is so average it is untrue.
Gana again nice touches but does not effect the game either offensively or defensively.
Hutton can not cross the ball.
Jack was excellent today and set up the goal.
Gabby at least ran about a bit but is obviously not fit.
This is a relegation team with a Manager out of his depth, we might sack Sherwood but I think it maybe too late.
The situation we are in today is because of 5 years of awful leadership and strategy by the owner.
Ayew did score, worth mentioning, and personally I thoughy Gueye was our best player.
It's a manager out of his depth dragging us down, not the players. It isn't a top six squad, no, but it isn't a bottom three squad either.
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I'm sick to death of watching the same shit every week he is completely out of his depth surely he has to go now.
Couldn't believe the Holte we're actually chanting his name but it was the first time I've heard chants against Lerner.
The whole club is rotten to the core can't see us getting out of this mess this time.
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I'm hoping for once that the president emeritus is giving Fox some advice this evening.
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On Final Score he seemed to be putting all the blame on the players saying things like 'if they're not up for it they shouldn't be out there' and he finished by saying the club is in a hole not him.
So you see it's every body else's fault and nothing to do with him.
Do you not think they have a point though?
Our many relegation battles have we had for the last 6 seasons and how many managers have we employed in that time?
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We'll be down by Christmas if he doesn't go.
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Im genuinely glad we lost today - anything else and I fear the misery would have continued. If Lerner doesnt instruct Fox to fire this baffoon (and he ought be fired himself for even thinking Sherwood was big enough for the Villa job) then he clearly is happy to piss away even more of his investment.
Get Moyes in for christ's sake - won't make us top table but will rescue this season and solidify. From there progress can be made. Right now, we are not only certainties for relegation, every other side who faces us knows it and thats like conceding a goal before the players get anywhere near the pitch.
Its this week ... or we really are on the precipe of a decade of Championship football.
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"Couldn't believe the Holte we're actually chanting his name but it was the first time I've heard chants against Lerner. "
That at least is good news
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On Final Score he seemed to be putting all the blame on the players saying things like 'if they're not up for it they shouldn't be out there' and he finished by saying the club is in a hole not him.
So you see it's every body else's fault and nothing to do with him.
Do you not think they have a point though?
Our many relegation battles have we had for the last 6 seasons and how many managers have we employed in that time?
Just because there have been quite a few managers doesn't mean any of them are any good. Which they're not.
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Moyes will be in before next weekend.....
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Lescott's miss was as horrible as his defending. He epitomises Villa at the moment, good once but looking like a jelly legged boxer about to hit the canvass now.
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Post match interview:
"Am I going to be in the job next week? I'm not the person to ask. I feel like the club is in a hole.
"I am disappointed with the result, we didn't deserve to lose the game. We can't carry anyone because we're getting done. At the moment we are short. If people don't give everything we'll come up short.
"There's no shortage in desire but the quality is not quite there. We're not world beaters. Our league position suggests we're not and today wasn't our day."
The usual 'not my fault guv' bollocks then.
Typical blame the players and other staff bullshit.
I genuinely dislike this bloke to DOL levels.
If the quality isn't quite there, why on earth did he keep quite obviously the worst player on the pitch (if not the entire Premier League) on until the bitter end?
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How can you win a game with Guzan Lescott and Gestede in a team?
I thought Bacuna was our best player.
Richards is a poser, he does not need to get involved or go diving after the ball.
Sorry Ayew just runs up blind alleys.
Ricardson is so average it is untrue.
Gana again nice touches but does not effect the game either offensively or defensively.
Hutton can not cross the ball.
Jack was excellent today and set up the goal.
Gabby at least ran about a bit but is obviously not fit.
This is a relegation team with a Manager out of his depth, we might sack Sherwood but I think it maybe too late.
The situation we are in today is because of 5 years of awful leadership and strategy by the owner.
Ayew did score, worth mentioning, and personally I thoughy Gueye was our best player.
It's a manager out of his depth dragging us down, not the players. It isn't a top six squad, no, but it isn't a bottom three squad either.
I keep hearing this and I think our best 11 could get some results in this league. That team would not include Richardson, Guzan, Gestede,or Lescott who are not Premier League level. I did not think Ayew did anything other than score and is not PL quality yet.
I think a lot of people think the players are better than they are.
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On Final Score he seemed to be putting all the blame on the players saying things like 'if they're not up for it they shouldn't be out there' and he finished by saying the club is in a hole not him.
So you see it's every body else's fault and nothing to do with him.
Do you not think they have a point though?
Our many relegation battles have we had for the last 6 seasons and how many managers have we employed in that time?
Just because there have been quite a few managers doesn't mean any of them are any good. Which they're not.
We'd have been able to attract better managers if Lerner had a transfer/wage structure worthy of this club.
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Just seen him on sky he looks like a beaten man.
He's like that after every game.
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Im genuinely glad we lost today
Never this. It's a tricky situation, I agree, considering how Lambert managed to keep his job by producing 3 points every five games or so which stayed the execution, so to speak. We needed to win today though - and still sack Sherwood.
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Moyes will be in before next weekend.....
Yes please. I'm convinced he'd keep us up.
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Post match interview:
"Am I going to be in the job next week? I'm not the person to ask. I feel like the club is in a hole.
"I am disappointed with the result, we didn't deserve to lose the game. We can't carry anyone because we're getting done. At the moment we are short. If people don't give everything we'll come up short.
"There's no shortage in desire but the quality is not quite there. We're not world beaters. Our league position suggests we're not and today wasn't our day."
The usual 'not my fault guv' bollocks then.
Exactly Tim. We cannot carry you any more as you learn the job.
Oh and actually as a club we are world beaters. We need a manager who lives up to those standards.
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On Final Score he seemed to be putting all the blame on the players saying things like 'if they're not up for it they shouldn't be out there' and he finished by saying the club is in a hole not him.
So you see it's every body else's fault and nothing to do with him.
Do you not think they have a point though?
Our many relegation battles have we had for the last 6 seasons and how many managers have we employed in that time?
Just because there have been quite a few managers doesn't mean any of them are any good. Which they're not.
We'd have been able to attract better managers if Lerner had a transfer/wage structure worthy of this club.
Or maybe we were able to attract them, but he wanted 'proven Premier League experience' like McLeish and Lambert. Either way, it's hardly a brilliant reflection on them.
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How can you win a game with Guzan Lescott and Gestede in a team?
I thought Bacuna was our best player.
Richards is a poser, he does not need to get involved or go diving after the ball.
Sorry Ayew just runs up blind alleys.
Ricardson is so average it is untrue.
Gana again nice touches but does not effect the game either offensively or defensively.
Hutton can not cross the ball.
Jack was excellent today and set up the goal.
Gabby at least ran about a bit but is obviously not fit.
This is a relegation team with a Manager out of his depth, we might sack Sherwood but I think it maybe too late.
The situation we are in today is because of 5 years of awful leadership and strategy by the owner.
Ayew did score, worth mentioning, and personally I thoughy Gueye was our best player.
It's a manager out of his depth dragging us down, not the players. It isn't a top six squad, no, but it isn't a bottom three squad either.
I keep hearing this and I think our best 11 could get some results in this league. That team would not include Richardson, Guzan, Gestede,or Lescott who are not Premier League level. I did not think Ayew did anything other than score and is not PL quality yet.
I think a lot of people think the players are better than they are.
Yes precisely Chicago. Grealish, who you've just waxed lyrical about.
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How can you win a game with Guzan Lescott and Gestede in a team?
I thought Bacuna was our best player.
Richards is a poser, he does not need to get involved or go diving after the ball.
Sorry Ayew just runs up blind alleys.
Ricardson is so average it is untrue.
Gana again nice touches but does not effect the game either offensively or defensively.
Hutton can not cross the ball.
Jack was excellent today and set up the goal.
Gabby at least ran about a bit but is obviously not fit.
This is a relegation team with a Manager out of his depth, we might sack Sherwood but I think it maybe too late.
The situation we are in today is because of 5 years of awful leadership and strategy by the owner.
Grealish was not excellent today whatever were you watching. Gana was very good especially in the second half. Alan Hutton cannot cross a ball,you are right there but he was still our best player. Its not even November and you think we will be relegated! We have some very good players who with the right manager (and coaching staff) will improve in bundles. Richards is a poser? Very far from it. He gives everything and has been our best player this season.
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I FEEL LIKE THE CLUB IS IN A HOLE.
You Tim are the fucker with the shovel.
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That's the first home game I have missed this season and I won't be going back until this bellend of a manager has gone.
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..our decline will only end when the disgrace that is Randy Lerner finally sells up and fucks off out of our club. He is public enemy number 1 in my opinion.
You've changed your tune.
I don't think he has.
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Im genuinely glad we lost today - anything else and I fear the misery would have continued. If Lerner doesnt instruct Fox to fire this baffoon (and he ought be fired himself for even thinking Sherwood was big enough for the Villa job) then he clearly is happy to piss away even more of his investment.
Get Moyes in for christ's sake - won't make us top table but will rescue this season and solidify. From there progress can be made. Right now, we are not only certainties for relegation, every other side who faces us knows it and thats like conceding a goal before the players get anywhere near the pitch.
Its this week ... or we really are on the precipe of a decade of Championship football.
I'm not, it's all about Villa winning,whoever is in charge.
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Im genuinely glad we lost today
Never this. It's a tricky situation, I agree, considering how Lambert managed to keep his job by producing 3 points every five games or so which stayed the execution, so to speak. We needed to win today though - and still sack Sherwood.
But we would not - thats the point. They would have given him another chance - as it is, Im still not sure they have reached the conclusion most others have (which is simply frightening to imagine). Yes I dont want to lose but sometimes, strategy requires a backward step. This evening - actually right now, Sherwood should be heading upstairs to receive his P45 and the call should be made to Spain .. "hi David.....
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How can you win a game with Guzan Lescott and Gestede in a team?
I thought Bacuna was our best player.
Richards is a poser, he does not need to get involved or go diving after the ball.
Sorry Ayew just runs up blind alleys.
Ricardson is so average it is untrue.
Gana again nice touches but does not effect the game either offensively or defensively.
Hutton can not cross the ball.
Jack was excellent today and set up the goal.
Gabby at least ran about a bit but is obviously not fit.
This is a relegation team with a Manager out of his depth, we might sack Sherwood but I think it maybe too late.
The situation we are in today is because of 5 years of awful leadership and strategy by the owner.
Ayew did score, worth mentioning, and personally I thoughy Gueye was our best player.
It's a manager out of his depth dragging us down, not the players. It isn't a top six squad, no, but it isn't a bottom three squad either.
I keep hearing this and I think our best 11 could get some results in this league. That team would not include Richardson, Guzan, Gestede,or Lescott who are not Premier League level. I did not think Ayew did anything other than score and is not PL quality yet.
I think a lot of people think the players are better than they are.
I think they're better than where they are in the league.
Gestede was awful today. Awful. Yet he played 90 minutes.
These are the sort of shitty mind-blowingly obvious problems Sherwood can't spot.
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How can you win a game with Guzan Lescott and Gestede in a team?
I thought Bacuna was our best player.
Richards is a poser, he does not need to get involved or go diving after the ball.
Sorry Ayew just runs up blind alleys.
Ricardson is so average it is untrue.
Gana again nice touches but does not effect the game either offensively or defensively.
Hutton can not cross the ball.
Jack was excellent today and set up the goal.
Gabby at least ran about a bit but is obviously not fit.
This is a relegation team with a Manager out of his depth, we might sack Sherwood but I think it maybe too late.
The situation we are in today is because of 5 years of awful leadership and strategy by the owner.
Grealish was not excellent today whatever were you watching. Gana was very good especially in the second half. Alan Hutton cannot cross a ball,you are right there but he was still our best player. Its not even November and you think we will be relegated! We have some very good players who with the right manager (and coaching staff) will improve in bundles. Richards is a poser? Very far from it. He gives everything and has been our best player this season.
Grealish was poor, I thought, so easily pushed off the ball every time
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Obviously I like it when Villa win any match anywhere at any time, but if the successor comes in and does well there'll be the added bonus of shoving it in Tim Sherwood's smug face that he's no good at management.
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How can you win a game with Guzan Lescott and Gestede in a team?
I thought Bacuna was our best player.
Richards is a poser, he does not need to get involved or go diving after the ball.
Sorry Ayew just runs up blind alleys.
Ricardson is so average it is untrue.
Gana again nice touches but does not effect the game either offensively or defensively.
Hutton can not cross the ball.
Jack was excellent today and set up the goal.
Gabby at least ran about a bit but is obviously not fit.
This is a relegation team with a Manager out of his depth, we might sack Sherwood but I think it maybe too late.
The situation we are in today is because of 5 years of awful leadership and strategy by the owner.
Ayew did score, worth mentioning, and personally I thoughy Gueye was our best player.
It's a manager out of his depth dragging us down, not the players. It isn't a top six squad, no, but it isn't a bottom three squad either.
I keep hearing this and I think our best 11 could get some results in this league. That team would not include Richardson, Guzan, Gestede,or Lescott who are not Premier League level. I did not think Ayew did anything other than score and is not PL quality yet.
I think a lot of people think the players are better than they are.
I think they're better than where they are in the league.
Gestede was awful today. Awful. Yet he played 90 minutes.
These are the sort of shitty mind-blowingly obvious problems Sherwood can't spot.
I agree and there are a lot of them, playing Lescott, playing Guzan. Until today playing Westwood every game.
Just not playing those 3 would up our win chances, but you are right he just can not see it
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How can you win a game with Guzan Lescott and Gestede in a team?
I thought Bacuna was our best player.
Richards is a poser, he does not need to get involved or go diving after the ball.
Sorry Ayew just runs up blind alleys.
Ricardson is so average it is untrue.
Gana again nice touches but does not effect the game either offensively or defensively.
Hutton can not cross the ball.
Jack was excellent today and set up the goal.
Gabby at least ran about a bit but is obviously not fit.
This is a relegation team with a Manager out of his depth, we might sack Sherwood but I think it maybe too late.
The situation we are in today is because of 5 years of awful leadership and strategy by the owner.
Grealish was not excellent today whatever were you watching. Gana was very good especially in the second half. Alan Hutton cannot cross a ball,you are right there but he was still our best player. Its not even November and you think we will be relegated! We have some very good players who with the right manager (and coaching staff) will improve in bundles. Richards is a poser? Very far from it. He gives everything and has been our best player this season.
We will need 35+ points from 28 games. It's been quite a while since we managed that sort of return so I would say it would hardly be a surprise if fans think we have had it already.
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How can you win a game with Guzan Lescott and Gestede in a team?
I thought Bacuna was our best player.
Richards is a poser, he does not need to get involved or go diving after the ball.
Sorry Ayew just runs up blind alleys.
Ricardson is so average it is untrue.
Gana again nice touches but does not effect the game either offensively or defensively.
Hutton can not cross the ball.
Jack was excellent today and set up the goal.
Gabby at least ran about a bit but is obviously not fit.
This is a relegation team with a Manager out of his depth, we might sack Sherwood but I think it maybe too late.
The situation we are in today is because of 5 years of awful leadership and strategy by the owner.
Grealish was not excellent today whatever were you watching. Gana was very good especially in the second half. Alan Hutton cannot cross a ball,you are right there but he was still our best player. Its not even November and you think we will be relegated! We have some very good players who with the right manager (and coaching staff) will improve in bundles. Richards is a poser? Very far from it. He gives everything and has been our best player this season.
Grealish was poor, I thought, so easily pushed off the ball every time
He did good things, but overall he didn't have a good game.
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On Final Score he seemed to be putting all the blame on the players saying things like 'if they're not up for it they shouldn't be out there' and he finished by saying the club is in a hole not him.
So you see it's every body else's fault and nothing to do with him.
Do you not think they have a point though?
Our many relegation battles have we had for the last 6 seasons and how many managers have we employed in that time?
Just because there have been quite a few managers doesn't mean any of them are any good. Which they're not.
We'd have been able to attract better managers if Lerner had a transfer/wage structure worthy of this club.
Or maybe we were able to attract them, but he wanted 'proven Premier League experience' like McLeish and Lambert. Either way, it's hardly a brilliant reflection on them.
I disagree. I think we employed those two muppets because every other decent manager we wanted turned us down.
Good managers won't go to clubs that are run on a relative shoestring.
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We explicitly said we wanted this 'Premier League experience' thing, which stopped us even asking the likes of Koeman and Pochettino if they wanted the job. How can you know that 'every other decent manager' turned us down if we only asked about two decent managers?
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Think he should be given at least until Easter,don't know what all the whinging is for Yippee Dai Day
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Think he should be given at least until Easter,don't know what all the whinging is for Yippee Dai Day
Thanks, Edginton42@aol.com
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We explicitly said we wanted this 'Premier League experience' thing, which stopped us even asking the likes of Koeman and Pochettino if they wanted the job. How can you know that 'every other decent manager' turned us down if we only asked about two decent managers?
How do you know we didn't? I'm not naive in believing every bit of PR hype the club spouts.
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We explicitly said we wanted this 'Premier League experience' thing, which stopped us even asking the likes of Koeman and Pochettino if they wanted the job. How can you know that 'every other decent manager' turned us down if we only asked about two decent managers?
How do you know we didn't? I'm not naive in believing every bit of PR hype the club spouts.
In the same way, how do you know anything about decent managers having turned us down?
Lambert was a sensible appointment at the time. I bet if i go back and look at the time of his appointment, you were happy with it.
The bigger mistake was not appointing him. It was letting him have 2.5 years to be shit in.
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I'd be interested to see Gestede's stats today. One thing is not being given the right service or being expected to do things that you're really not capable of but bloody running should be one of them. Maybe he was saving energy should the game go into extra time. Everybody else really put a shift in or at least that's how it appeared to me.
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We explicitly said we wanted this 'Premier League experience' thing, which stopped us even asking the likes of Koeman and Pochettino if they wanted the job. How can you know that 'every other decent manager' turned us down if we only asked about two decent managers?
How do you know we didn't? I'm not naive in believing every bit of PR hype the club spouts.
Okay then, Open-Eyed One. What evidence do you have to the contrary? The club consistently talked about finding someone with 'Premier League experience', and everyone we know was interviewed had it, to some degree. How do you know Pochettino or someone like him turned us down?
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We may as well just resign from the league. This club is finished I'm afraid.
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I'd be interested to see Gestede's stats today. One thing is not being given the right service or being expected to do things that you're really not capable of but bloody running should be one of them. Maybe he was saving energy should the game go into extra time. Everybody else really put a shift in or at least that's how it appeared to me.
Totally out of his depth at this level, should be an impact player off the bench at best.
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We explicitly said we wanted this 'Premier League experience' thing, which stopped us even asking the likes of Koeman and Pochettino if they wanted the job. How can you know that 'every other decent manager' turned us down if we only asked about two decent managers?
How do you know we didn't? I'm not naive in believing every bit of PR hype the club spouts.
In the same way, how do you know anything about decent managers having turned us down?
There were rumours Benetiz turned us down. I heard a journalist on 5 Live say that he knew for a fact Benetiz wanted the Villa job and even went for an interview. The club showed him what kind of budget he'd receive and he laughed and got up and walked out.
Others rumours about Moyes turning us down as well. Okay these are only rumours, but considering the type of rubbish we've (mainly) signed for the last 6 years I tend to believe them.
Look if you want to believe we've just been unlucky for the last 6 seasons then you're very much entitled to that view. I certainly don't, and my finger of blame is firmly pointed at Randy Lerner.
As for Lambert, yeah I remember thinking "okay that might be good". Little did I know his budget would stretch to a handle of players signed for decent money and the rest made up with lower league rubbish signed for peanuts. Whose fault is that? The man who organises the budget.
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Swansea were poor until we scored but identified a weakness at left back and exposed it.
I can't think of any team that has survived after 4pts from 10 games. I'll be amazed if any manager gets us out of this. We may think we've got some good players but we've got plenty who aren't good enough.
Next season our coverage highlights will be Friday nights live , the Tuesday night vidiprinter with Jools on Sky and 2 minutes with George Riley and Kelly Cates on 5.
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Well maybe we're not naive enough to believe any guff rumour we hear. And there's a big gap between the profiles of McLeish and Benitez - who, you may notice, also had 'Premier League experience.'
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How on earth did richardson stay on for the full game?
Indeed. He'd been booked, was getting skinned and we had TWO left backs on the bench. Answers on a postcard to:
Tactics Tim
Villa Park
Trinity Road
Birmingham
B6 6HE
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We explicitly said we wanted this 'Premier League experience' thing, which stopped us even asking the likes of Koeman and Pochettino if they wanted the job. How can you know that 'every other decent manager' turned us down if we only asked about two decent managers?
How do you know we didn't? I'm not naive in believing every bit of PR hype the club spouts.
In the same way, how do you know anything about decent managers having turned us down?
There was rumours Benetiz turned us down. I heard a journalist on 5 Live say that he knew for a fact Benetiz wanted the Villa job and even went for an interview. The club showed him what kind of budget he'd receive and he laughed and got up and walked out.
Others rumours about Moyes turning us down as well. Okay these are only rumours, but considering the type of rubbish we've (mainly) signed for the last 6 years I tend to believe them.
Look if you want to believe we've just been unlucky for the last 6 seasons then you're very much entitled to that view. I certainly don't, and my finger of blame is firmly pointed at Randy Lerner.
Benitez and Moyes aren't "any other decent manager"
And what is this horse shit about believing we've been unlucky? Who the fuck even said that?
I don't know why you're even going on about Lerner over and over like people don't think he's a massive problem. What you don't seem to get is that there seem to be a lot of other problems, all of which, if we managed to fix them, would at least improve us.
TH=here's no point even whining about him. He wants to go, but he can't, because nobody wants to buy us. That can't be changed.
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While we didn't deserve to lose it was so fucking predictable. After they equalised I said to Leeg that it's inevitable what would happen. Showed again we have some good players that are being badly coached and managed. I'll truly despair if he's still in the job by early next week.
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Edited: due to excessive foul language!!
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I'm almost lost for words tbh, another clueless team selection and more individual mistake, against yet another team in need of a win and yet another sh*te home performance, time for Tim to go but also time for Lerner to hurry the f*** out the club.
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Swansea were poor until we scored but identified a weakness at left back and exposed it.
I can't think of any team that has survived after 4pts from 10 games. I'll be amazed if any manager gets us out of this. We may think we've got some good players but we've got plenty who aren't good enough.
Next season our coverage highlights will be Friday nights live , the Tuesday night vidiprinter with Jools on Sky and 2 minutes with George Riley and Kelly Cates on 5.
Palace only had 3 points from 10 two seasons ago but it's the exception I reckon.
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He should have gone at least 2 matches ago.
After today though, I don't give a fuck anymore as, nothing seems to be coming from the board. Hope I'm wrong but, still think they may give him until there is no chance of escaping relegation.
Whoever said Grealish had a good game must have him confused with someone else. Never put a foot right until the bit of magic that led to our goal.
Soon as I saw the team included Lescott(past it), Richardson(Never had it), Gestede(Donkey, probably do well in League 2), and Gabby(Past it), I and many others knew what the final outcome would be.
Well pissed off tonight!
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Oh and Swansea were shit. Add that to Sunderland and Stoke, and we got 1 point from home games against three wank sides. I wasn't at the Bitters game so can't say how shit they were.
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We explicitly said we wanted this 'Premier League experience' thing, which stopped us even asking the likes of Koeman and Pochettino if they wanted the job. How can you know that 'every other decent manager' turned us down if we only asked about two decent managers?
How do you know we didn't? I'm not naive in believing every bit of PR hype the club spouts.
In the same way, how do you know anything about decent managers having turned us down?
There was rumours Benetiz turned us down. I heard a journalist on 5 Live say that he knew for a fact Benetiz wanted the Villa job and even went for an interview. The club showed him what kind of budget he'd receive and he laughed and got up and walked out.
Others rumours about Moyes turning us down as well. Okay these are only rumours, but considering the type of rubbish we've (mainly) signed for the last 6 years I tend to believe them.
Look if you want to believe we've just been unlucky for the last 6 seasons then you're very much entitled to that view. I certainly don't, and my finger of blame is firmly pointed at Randy Lerner.
Benitez and Moyes aren't "any other decent manager"
And what is this horse shit about believing we've been unlucky? Who the fuck even said that?
I don't know why you're even going on about Lerner over and over like people don't think he's a massive problem. What you don't seem to get is that there seem to be a lot of other problems, all of which, if we managed to fix them, would at least improve us.
TH=here's no point even whining about him. He wants to go, but he can't, because nobody wants to buy us. That can't be changed.
Lerner IS the problem at the club. The rest of our problems are the symptoms of him.
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We explicitly said we wanted this 'Premier League experience' thing, which stopped us even asking the likes of Koeman and Pochettino if they wanted the job. How can you know that 'every other decent manager' turned us down if we only asked about two decent managers?
How do you know we didn't? I'm not naive in believing every bit of PR hype the club spouts.
In the same way, how do you know anything about decent managers having turned us down?
There was rumours Benetiz turned us down. I heard a journalist on 5 Live say that he knew for a fact Benetiz wanted the Villa job and even went for an interview. The club showed him what kind of budget he'd receive and he laughed and got up and walked out.
Others rumours about Moyes turning us down as well. Okay these are only rumours, but considering the type of rubbish we've (mainly) signed for the last 6 years I tend to believe them.
Look if you want to believe we've just been unlucky for the last 6 seasons then you're very much entitled to that view. I certainly don't, and my finger of blame is firmly pointed at Randy Lerner.
Benitez and Moyes aren't "any other decent manager"
And what is this horse shit about believing we've been unlucky? Who the fuck even said that?
I don't know why you're even going on about Lerner over and over like people don't think he's a massive problem. What you don't seem to get is that there seem to be a lot of other problems, all of which, if we managed to fix them, would at least improve us.
TH=here's no point even whining about him. He wants to go, but he can't, because nobody wants to buy us. That can't be changed.
Lerner IS the problem at the club. The rest of our problems are the symptoms of him.
Jesus fucking christ, how many times are you going to say EXACTLY the same fucking thing?
To people who aren't even suggesting Lerner isn't a big problem in the first place? It's like you're arguing with yourself or something.
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Just got in. I have never been so down in my life about the Villa as I am now. I am going to say nothing about the match other than I thought Ayew was good. Overall it's a very sad sad situation.
Please someone wake me up and tell be its a nightmare ..,,,,
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Do you really need to be so aggressive?
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Do you really need to be so aggressive?
Well FFS can you just stop going on and on about the same thing?
Please? You're driving people nuts.
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Just got in. I have never been so down in my life about the Villa as I am now. I am going to say nothing about the match other than I thought Ayew was good. Overall it's a very sad sad situation.
Please someone wake me up and tell be its a nightmare ..,,,,
Same here. Fuckin dreadful that's it's come to this.
We can still get out of it though.
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I feel for everyone who has gone down today and everyone with STs. Deserve a lot better than this shit. 10 games 8 losses. Just awful.
Id rather have an STD than an ST right now.
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I have a confession to make. Today was the first time I've ever put a bet on against us. Nothing would have made me happier than to lose that bet but I just couldn't see us winning or getting a point. The tragedy is that as others have said they're not a bad group of players but for whatever reason, Sherwood isn't able to get the best out of them. That is the art of good management and I just don't think he has the nous (to put it politely) to do that.
Time to go Tim.
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Do you really need to be so aggressive?
Well FFS can you just stop going on and on about the same thing?
Please? You're driving people nuts.
People constantly blaming the managers for our problems do my nut in as well. It runs a lot deeper than that, as you well know.
Please stop being so aggressive to me as well. I don't swear at you.
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Having Tim in charge is like having a chef that can't cook. No matter what ingredients you give him it's always going to turn out like a dogs dinner.
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Swans hadn't won away, Ayew brothers playing against each other. It was written in the stars for them to win this one. Another nice last minute goal to add to the collection too. The Villa curse continues...
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Oh and Swansea were shit. Add that to Sunderland and Stoke, and we got 1 point from home games against three wank sides. I wasn't at the Bitters game so can't say how shit they were.
They were shit. 1 point from 4.
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We know it runs deeper than the manager, but the manager is also rubbish and a shit person into the bargain. We should be doing better as a club and that's down to Lerner, but this team should be doing a fuck of a lot better than it is - and that's down to Sherwood. Most people are able to hold these two ideas in their heads.
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Do you really need to be so aggressive?
Well FFS can you just stop going on and on about the same thing?
Please? You're driving people nuts.
People constantly blaming the managers for our problems do my nut in as well. It runs a lot deeper than that, as you well know.
Please stop being so aggressive to me as well. I don't swear at you.
It might be a good idea if you step away from your keyboard for an hour or two.
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Do you really need to be so aggressive?
Well FFS can you just stop going on and on about the same thing?
Please? You're driving people nuts.
People constantly blaming the managers for our problems do my nut in as well. It runs a lot deeper than that, as you well know.
Please stop being so aggressive to me as well. I don't swear at you.
I'll tell you what, please stop repeating the same thing over and over because you're pissing off every single moderator, and you can guess how that is going to end.
And I didn't swear "at you" either.
Have a think about your reply before you post it.
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I feel for everyone who has gone down today and everyone with STs. Deserve a lot better than this shit. 10 games 8 losses. Just awful.
Id rather have an STD than an ST right now.
Ha ha, well done sir!
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Just got in. I have never been so down in my life about the Villa as I am now. I am going to say nothing about the match other than I thought Ayew was good. Overall it's a very sad sad situation.
Please someone wake me up and tell be its a nightmare ..,,,,
Same here. Fuckin dreadful that's it's come to this.
We can still get out of it though.
Definitely, were not cut adrift yet, get someone in who knows how to set a team up, and we can gradually carve out some results. I don't get down on Saturday nights anymore, its amazing how you just become numb to us being so awful.
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The problems do run deeper than just the manager, but I guarantee that a half decent manager would have us on more than 4 sodding points after 10 games.
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Rodgers got sacked and Liverpool drew the game at Everton. We need Moyes in to at least try and rescue the situation. FFS 4 points from 30 is reason enough to fire Sherwood!
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The problems do run deeper than just the manager, but I guarantee that a half decent manager would have us on more than 4 sodding points after 10 games.
That's the point.
We are not challenging for the top six any more, or even the top half = Lerner's fault.
We are in the relegation places with an awful league record = Sherwood's fault.
One of those men can be removed from his position at the click of a finger. The other one can't until someone turns up and buys the club off him. He can't get out of the club when he wants - and he has even told us that he really wants to.
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Do you really need to be so aggressive?
Well FFS can you just stop going on and on about the same thing?
Please? You're driving people nuts.
People constantly blaming the managers for our problems do my nut in as well. It runs a lot deeper than that, as you well know.
Please stop being so aggressive to me as well. I don't swear at you.
It does run a lot deeper than managers as to why we're not challenging for europe or possibly even top half, but even with Lerner in charge a good manager could have us half way up the league. As it is, weve got 4 points from 10 games, 4 FUCKING POINTS FROM 10 GAMES, and have played Albion, Sunderland,Stoke and Swansea at home.
The shout is not aimed at you by the way, just my disbelief at how shite Tim has made us.
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The problems do run deeper than just the manager, but I guarantee that a half decent manager would have us on more than 4 sodding points after 10 games.
Let's hope we can attract one. No more rookies, has-beens and never will be(e)s.
Moyes could get us out of this mess.
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The club are losing the plot. They have issued the full match report with the headline still reading 1-0 to us? Unbelievable.
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The problems do run deeper than just the manager, but I guarantee that a half decent manager would have us on more than 4 sodding points after 10 games.
Let's hope we can attract one. No more rookies, has-beens and never will be(e)s.
Moyes could get us out of this mess.
How do you know that?
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He has made mistakes and he is naive but he has been let down! The chairman isn't interested in the club and that shows with where we are in the league! The luck isn't with us but the club is rotten and we don't deserve the luck
I feel for the fans massively and tbh I've never felt so down about this great club
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The problems do run deeper than just the manager, but I guarantee that a half decent manager would have us on more than 4 sodding points after 10 games.
Let's hope we can attract one. No more rookies, has-beens and never will be(e)s.
Moyes could get us out of this mess.
How do you know that?
Well I did say "could"! 😉
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The problems do run deeper than just the manager, but I guarantee that a half decent manager would have us on more than 4 sodding points after 10 games.
Let's hope we can attract one. No more rookies, has-beens and never will be(e)s.
Moyes could get us out of this mess.
How do you know that?
He did say 'could'. I agree Moyes is the man. Whether he would want it is a very different question though
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I thought there were some good performances today. Ayew is finding his feet. Gana improved as the game went on. I thought Hutton did well against Moreno. Bacuna gave us more energy in midfield. I thought we stopped Swansea getting any rhythm until they scored.
After their goal, we became more and more disjointed. The shape of the side disintegrated in the last 10 minutes, which is a pattern we've seen before.
The key to me though is that there are some good ball players in this squad. They are decent playing to feet. But what is unfathomable is the decision to buy an immobile striker with a poor first touch who is simply not suited to the way the rest of the side are set up. Just demonstrates a complete lack of clear thinking in the summer.
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Do you really need to be so aggressive?
Well FFS can you just stop going on and on about the same thing?
Please? You're driving people nuts.
People constantly blaming the managers for our problems do my nut in as well. It runs a lot deeper than that, as you well know.
Please stop being so aggressive to me as well. I don't swear at you.
I'll say it slowly.
We. All. Know. That. Lerner. Isn't. Great. But. No. Amount. Of. Complaints/Protests. Are. Going. To. Sell. The. Club. Sooner. So. We. Focus. On. The. Problems. We. Can. Have. An. Impact. On.
Therefore getting rid of a manager who has no fucking idea what he's doing and getting someone remotely competent is the priority right now.
Does this make sense or are you going to insist on making every fucking thread be about Lerner as if by will alone you can generate a buyer.
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The problems do run deeper than just the manager, but I guarantee that a half decent manager would have us on more than 4 sodding points after 10 games.
From this run of games even Lambert would.
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The club are losing the plot. They have issued the full match report with the headline still reading 1-0 to us? Unbelievable.
and inaccurate.
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as an aside what are peoples thoughts Veretout? Why has he vanished!
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As an aside, after the game I pointed at the car in front and said to Leeg "isn't that the reg of the bloke on H&V that has his number plate as his username?". And it was him. Highlight of the day!!
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as an aside what are peoples thoughts Veretout? Why has he vanished!
I think he runs around a lot, started the season not looking fit, again another promising player but we have a few of those.
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as an aside what are peoples thoughts Veretout? Why has he vanished!
I think he runs around a lot, started the season not looking fit, again another promising player but we have a few of those.
Did well against Small Heath. I know it was only Small Heath, but the entire team managed to do badly against them in the first half.
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as an aside what are peoples thoughts Veretout? Why has he vanished!
Why is Amavi on the bench when Gestede is only as good as his supply lines.
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Post match interview:
"Am I going to be in the job next week? I'm not the person to ask. I feel like the club is in a hole.
"I am disappointed with the result, we didn't deserve to lose the game. We can't carry anyone because we're getting done. At the moment we are short. If people don't give everything we'll come up short.
"There's no shortage in desire but the quality is not quite there. We're not world beaters. Our league position suggests we're not and today wasn't our day."
The usual 'not my fault guv' bollocks then.
Typical blame the players and other staff bullshit.
I genuinely dislike this bloke to DOL levels.
"If people don't give everything" then "I can't question the effort". Make your mind up Teflon Tim.
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As an aside, after the game I pointed at the car in front and said to Leeg "isn't that the reg of the bloke on H&V that has his number plate as his username?". And it was him. Highlight of the day!!
For me the highlight of the day was finding a parking place in Bevington Road yards before "residents permit sign". Life can't get much better than that for a Villa fan these days!
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as an aside what are peoples thoughts Veretout? Why has he vanished!
He isn't one of Tim's signings so has been ostracised
While the likes of Lescott start week after week...
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http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/embattled-sherwood-gutted-swansea-defeat-confident-he-will-stay#:q9MXTDZcPQ2oJA
Is that misquote or a realisation? ::)
"It's a really difficult moment right now but I believe we'll get out of it. This club will be playing Premier League football this season."
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I pity the poor bloke sat next to me who came back to the seats half way through the first half with two cups of tea, only to find one had milk, water and no tea bag.
Almost sums Villa up right now.
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The club are losing the plot. They have issued the full match report with the headline still reading 1-0 to us? Unbelievable.
and inaccurate.
No it isn't: 1-0 (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5092803,00.html)
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Where were Clark and Okore - these two need to play. Sherwood said they were fit on Friday? And Veretout, where was he?
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How far have we fallen? We can't even spell the name of the club in the thread title correctly.
Lerner out.
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as an aside what are peoples thoughts Veretout? Why has he vanished!
Why is Amavi on the bench when Gestede is only as good as his supply lines.
Yep, goal v Bloos and second v Redscouse were supplied by....?
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Post match interview:
"Am I going to be in the job next week? I'm not the person to ask. I feel like the club is in a hole.
"I am disappointed with the result, we didn't deserve to lose the game. We can't carry anyone because we're getting done. At the moment we are short. If people don't give everything we'll come up short.
"There's no shortage in desire but the quality is not quite there. We're not world beaters. Our league position suggests we're not and today wasn't our day."
The usual 'not my fault guv' bollocks then.
Typical blame the players and other staff bullshit.
I genuinely dislike this bloke to DOL levels.
"If people don't give everything" then "I can't question the effort". Make your mind up Teflon Tim.
My memory is short I know, but I think I now hate him more than DOL. He's pulling a noose around the squad week by week. He's a nasty self centred bastard.
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As an aside, after the game I pointed at the car in front and said to Leeg "isn't that the reg of the bloke on H&V that has his number plate as his username?". And it was him. Highlight of the day!!
For me the highlight of the day was finding a parking place in Bevington Road yards before "residents permit sign". Life can't get much better than that for a Villa fan these days!
Heady times for us both!
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Re. Veratout. None of us what goes on at training, but I suspect he has fallen out with Sherwood or someone else in the coaching staff. If that's the case then I don't blame Sherwood for dropping him, he must maintain a sense of discipline. Shame though.
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To say the club is rotten from the top is wrong. We have employed crap managers and now it looks like we will be looking for another one. Lets hope its not Moyes.
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Haven't these noses got anything better to do?
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How far have we fallen? We can't even spell the name of the club in the thread title correctly.
Lerner out.
Clearly we are a little bit short these days.
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Can't be arsed to post about the game - I'm just so tired of it all - owner, board, manager, tactics, team selection, players - just unrelenting shit week after week. Heard Sherwood's post match comments on the way back and there were so many contradictions - can't criticise the players, all worked hard etc BUT also he'd just been to tell them we can't afford to carry any passengers. What annoyed me the most was he said the players were basically scared to play at Villa Park but they can't play all their games away! That's right, cos we're doing so well away aren't we Tim?
What brought it all home to me was the montage of JPA goals at half time by way of tribute on his 40th birthday - it showed in stark, HD contrast just how far this club has fallen under the stewardship of Lerner. Sad,sad times being a Villa fan right now
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As an aside, after the game I pointed at the car in front and said to Leeg "isn't that the reg of the bloke on H&V that has his number plate as his username?". And it was him. Highlight of the day!!
For me the highlight of the day was finding a parking place in Bevington Road yards before "residents permit sign". Life can't get much better than that for a Villa fan these days!
Park where you like next season.
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Just seen the dust up in the tunnel at the end...Richards seemed to be going psycho in there/. He's one of the few who can hold his head up high this season.
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The quality 'we are missing'were all sitting on the bench, you twat. Now sling it.
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We're going to need a much better quality striker than Gestede if we are to compete in the Championship next season. Sorry, gallows humour kicking in.
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How can you win a game with Guzan Lescott and Gestede in a team?
I thought Bacuna was our best player.
Richards is a poser, he does not need to get involved or go diving after the ball.
Sorry Ayew just runs up blind alleys.
Ricardson is so average it is untrue.
Gana again nice touches but does not effect the game either offensively or defensively.
Hutton can not cross the ball.
Jack was excellent today and set up the goal.
Gabby at least ran about a bit but is obviously not fit.
This is a relegation team with a Manager out of his depth, we might sack Sherwood but I think it maybe too late.
The situation we are in today is because of 5 years of awful leadership and strategy by the owner.
Grealish was not excellent today whatever were you watching. Gana was very good especially in the second half. Alan Hutton cannot cross a ball,you are right there but he was still our best player. Its not even November and you think we will be relegated! We have some very good players who with the right manager (and coaching staff) will improve in bundles. Richards is a poser? Very far from it. He gives everything and has been our best player this season.
Grealish was poor, I thought, so easily pushed off the ball every time
grealish was appalling today bar his run for the goal, the only time he went route one.
lescott, sweet baby jesus and the orphans and to think that clark didnt make the bench
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Fucking fuckety-fuck.
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There is a tolerable team in this squad but what the hell they are coached to do week after week I cannot fathom.
Watching the "build-up" for the equaliser was incredible as we had three, relatively easy, chances to progress the ball up the pitch but managed each time to put the receiving payer under pressure until it was lost and the free kick ensued.
As for the chanting - a lot of the Upper Holte didn't sing for Sherwood and there was laughter at the "Lerner out" chants as that is exactly what he bloody wants!
I fear there will not be a Bolton/Hull moment for Tim as a lot of fans are just numbed by the whole debacle.
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Has he been sacked?
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The service and one queue system in the club shop was very good.Wished I'd stayed there for the match
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From Andy Dunn in The Mirror: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-football-club-unquestioned-6698377?ICID_mirror_MF
Aston Villa Football Club is an unquestioned mess, but so too is Tim Sherwood's team
The Villans fell to yet another defeat at home to an equally out-of-form Swansea and are increasingly looking like relegation fodder in their current state
It is not Tim Sherwood's fault Aston Villa Football Club has been shedding its dignity over the last half a decade.
It is not Tim Sherwood's fault one of football's grandest institutions has shifted into a swamp of mediocrity.
It is not Tim Sherwood's fault Villa's transfer policy might as well have been made up over a few jars.
There has been a desperate inertia - lifted only sporadically - about this place for a long time. A long time before Sherwood arrived with his smile, swagger and soundbites.
But it is Sherwood's fault this team looks devoid of a cogent plan.
It is Sherwood's fault the only people who find his tactics harder to decipher than the punters appear to be his players.
It is Sherwood's fault he trusts defenders who have perfected the art of letting him down at key moments. And Sherwood knows it.
He knew it as he drew down his eyelids with a clawed hand when Andre Ayew dispatched the most predictable winner imaginable.
Only 10 league matches into a season and, as a glaze of quiet anguish flushed his face, you suspect Sherwood - for all his instinctive defiance - is expecting the call.
Even that defiance carried the sort of defensive half-heartedness that allowed Swansea and Garry Monk this shot in the arm.
Sherwood's voice croaked with the soreness of having to trot out the cliches again. Until I hear otherwise, we battle on. We'll keep going. I love this job, I'm not giving it up. I'm no quitter.
Yet there was a desperation distorting that familiar, confident lilt. He lamented how Swansea's winning goal was side-footed home from six yards without a challenge and his exasperation was laid bare as he pondered on how Jordan Ayew's goal was really just an equaliser scored first such was the certainty of a Swansea leveller.
More tellingly, he bemoaned 'poor quality' and virtually implied that much of Villa's summer transfer business has turned out not to be to his liking.
That, of course, brings Villa's recruitment system into the spotlight.
You can probably find only one man and his dog who believe recruitment should be the sole preserve and duty of the manager. And that man is Arsene Wenger, by the way.
There would be considerably more decrying the use of analysts and number-crunchers but they probably have their role as well.
But what has happened at Villa Park is the people commissioned with the acquisition of new talent have lost sight of - or never had sight of - the person they are buying for. Unless, of course, they know he is on borrowed time.
Raw, international, potential talent was not what Sherwood wanted. It's not what he felt this football team needed.
If the club felt he was wrong, they should have shown him the door before a ball was kicked this season.
Sherwood's job is no longer to nurture young talent, pockets of which might be of use to the first team.
It is to keep Aston Villa in the Premier League. And improve them. He felt he knew the tools the club needed to go out and get and the club came back with a different set for him.
Sherwood knew all this, though, and bought into it. And that is why he cannot deflect a single shaft of blame being shone towards him.
Confident character he is, Sherwood thought his motivation, his inspiration, his training ground nous would be enough to overcome a transfer set-up that is clearly not to his liking.
It has not been enough. Nowhere near enough. As Sherwood himself said, Aston Villa is a club in a hole.
That it got there is not his fault. That there are absolutely NO signs of it being lifted out IS.
And that is why the call will come. Sooner rather than later.
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All I feel is sadness!
Losing to Leicester killed the confidence. Sherwood has made mistakes but this club is rotten and Lerner is the root cause
We have a bottom six squad. Sherwood should have us on about 9 points with the squad we have!
However everyone wants him out who comes in whose out there? Who can save us?
It's just sad we are finished
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The sad thing is we actually have a good squad of players.
Sack the c***.
although the defence is fucking useless. Sick of the sight of these has-been high earners getting ripped apart every week.
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Even my old gaffer, who is a born again Christian, Man Utd fan and lives in Uganda has felt compelled to message me asking when we're likely to bin this chancer.
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Men of the Match - Jordan Ayew & Alan Hutton, but for me Hutton shaded it (as much as I don't like him)
pity he didn't pick up ayew when it mattered
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Just seen the dust up in the tunnel at the end...Richards seemed to be going psycho in there/. He's one of the few who can hold his head up high this season.
pah! Missing for the winner today and needlessly arguing andbgetting booked in he first half. He can fuck off with sherwood as far as im concerned
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As an aside, after the game I pointed at the car in front and said to Leeg "isn't that the reg of the bloke on H&V that has his number plate as his username?". And it was him. Highlight of the day!!
First time I've ever been referred to as 'highlight of the day' ;)
My highlight of the day was getting back to Shrewsbury in time to watch Jamelia and Aliona on Strictly!
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We waved but you ignored us.
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We waved but you ignored us.
Sorry.
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From football365: http://www.football365.com/news/end-of-the-road-for-sherwood-at-aston-villa
"Alan Hutton, Micah Richards, Joleon Lescott and Kieran Richardson should not have formed a Premier League defence eight years ago, never mind in 2015. Gabby Agbonlahor should not still feature in top-flight games, never mind start them. Villa’s best player in Carles Gil remains on the bench. Rudy Gestede – a man backed by Sherwood as the best header in English football – is fielded, but with no wingers on the pitch. A litany of mistakes, and that was before kick-off."
They're right, you know. Time to go
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Yet another late goal conceded....The same mistakes week in week out; Indeed it's been the same problem for years these late goals against.
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As an aside, after the game I pointed at the car in front and said to Leeg "isn't that the reg of the bloke on H&V that has his number plate as his username?". And it was him. Highlight of the day!!
First time I've ever been referred to as 'highlight of the day' ;)
My highlight of the day was getting back to Shrewsbury in time to watch Jamelia and Aliona on Strictly!
We were debating if I had time at the traffic lights to jump out and come knock on your window and say "you're banned from H&V" before running off back to the car and giggling like girls. We decided we didn't have time.
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We waved but you ignored us.
Sorry.
Erm yeah actually we just waved, nothing else. Ignore my previous post!
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From football365: http://www.football365.com/news/end-of-the-road-for-sherwood-at-aston-villa
"Alan Hutton, Micah Richards, Joleon Lescott and Kieran Richardson should not have formed a Premier League defence eight years ago, never mind in 2015. Gabby Agbonlahor should not still feature in top-flight games, never mind start them. Villa’s best player in Carles Gil remains on the bench. Rudy Gestede – a man backed by Sherwood as the best header in English football – is fielded, but with no wingers on the pitch. A litany of mistakes, and that was before kick-off."
They're right, you know. Time to go
Jesus Christ that article is absolutely spot on.
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From football365: http://www.football365.com/news/end-of-the-road-for-sherwood-at-aston-villa
"Alan Hutton, Micah Richards, Joleon Lescott and Kieran Richardson should not have formed a Premier League defence eight years ago, never mind in 2015. Gabby Agbonlahor should not still feature in top-flight games, never mind start them. Villa’s best player in Carles Gil remains on the bench. Rudy Gestede – a man backed by Sherwood as the best header in English football – is fielded, but with no wingers on the pitch. A litany of mistakes, and that was before kick-off."
They're right, you know. Time to go
bang on summary
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We waved but you ignored us.
Sorry.
Erm yeah actually we just waved, nothing else. Ignore my previous post!
Only because the lights were changing and we did not have time to get out of the car and scare the living sh*t out of him.
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Ayew is feeling it hard, going by his post match comments:
"Every week it's the same thing, we play good football but we never win"
:'(
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Ayew is feeling it hard, going by his post match comments:
"Every week it's the same thing, we play good football but we never win"
:'(
I saw him talking to his brother on the pitch after the final whistle and he looked unconsolable.
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Tried so hard to back TS, flying in the face of overwhelming opinion.
But when he says he has a fully fit squad to pick from and picks Lescott, Richardson, Gabby, Bacuna and Gestede to start, the game is up.
I mean, Gestede is an awful, awful player but for fucks sake, his ONE attribute is heading the ball in dangerous areas in the box. So his supply line today is what? Picking Richardson over Amavi is the final straw for me.
I don't actually think we deserved to lose today, but we've lost to the worst Swansea team I've seen in years.
We always find a way to lose, it's just in our DNA.
That team is gone. I don't honestly think there's an available manager out there who can save us. We're fucked, were as good as in the Championship and we'll need very sensible decisions to make sure we don't become the next Leeds / Sheffield Wed when the inevitable happens.
I'm gutted, and just sick to death of seeing us lose like this.
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Tried so hard to back TS, flying in the face of overwhelming opinion.
But when he says he has a fully fit squad to pick from and picks Lescott, Richardson, Gabby, Bacuna and Gestede to start, the game is up.
I mean, Gestede is an awful, awful player but for fucks sake, his ONE attribute is heading the ball in dangerous areas in the box. So his supply line today is what? Picking Richardson over Amavi is the final straw for me.
I don't actually think we deserved to lose today, but we've lost to the worst Swansea team I've seen in years.
We always find a way to lose, it's just in our DNA.
That team is gone. I don't honestly think there's an available manager out there who can save us. We're fucked, were as good as in the Championship and we'll need very sensible decisions to make sure we don't become the next Leeds / Sheffield Wed when the inevitable happens.
I'm gutted, and just sick to death of seeing us lose like this.
sadly i think you are right, i do not see us comming back from this.
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We waved but you ignored us.
Sorry.
Erm yeah actually we just waved, nothing else. Ignore my previous post!
Only because the lights were changing and we did not have time to get out of the car and scare the living sh*t out of him.
Ha ha, I'd never be scared by a couple of mods. Nearly missed Jamelia whilst reading all your quips!
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Just seen the dust up in the tunnel at the end...Richards seemed to be going psycho in there.
Where did you see it?
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Some of Sherwood after match comments are very unprofessional and naive and shirking responsibility.
I think if a new manager came in he could actually get more from the players than Sherwood so its an excuse to say about players not being quite good enough. True honesty would be to admit Sherwood didn't get it quite right now cand again rather than blaming players.
Imagine Sherwood saying that
Instead he's defensive and somewhat arrogant in hius comments -
'I'm confident its good to be especially when some of the players out there aren't '
IN response to you must admit you're in a hole
'No I'm not . The club is in a hole'
Could those who went today say that villa were continuolosly on front foot and gave it a go ?? I'd like to know from people at game what the tempo and attacking impetus was like
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Ayew is feeling it hard, going by his post match comments:
"Every week it's the same thing, we play good football but we never win"
:'(
I saw him talking to his brother on the pitch after the final whistle and he looked unconsolable.
I said the same in the PM thread. His brother was trying to swap shirts but it's like the younger Ayew had just been told his pet fish of many years had died. He looked every bit as gutted as the rest of us. You can see why it would wear on players.
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From football365: http://www.football365.com/news/end-of-the-road-for-sherwood-at-aston-villa
"Alan Hutton, Micah Richards, Joleon Lescott and Kieran Richardson should not have formed a Premier League defence eight years ago, never mind in 2015. Gabby Agbonlahor should not still feature in top-flight games, never mind start them. Villa’s best player in Carles Gil remains on the bench. Rudy Gestede – a man backed by Sherwood as the best header in English football – is fielded, but with no wingers on the pitch. A litany of mistakes, and that was before kick-off."
They're right, you know. Time to go
Bloody hell. You look at that defence and they are right. Together with a shite keeper, 3 of those 4 defenders are awful. In fairness Hutton was ok today
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I feel sorry for Jordan Ayew, and I've certainly changed my view of him over the past few games. From the very first match away at Bournemouth he has been played out of position for a large percentage of the time he's spent on the pitch. He's clearly got some ball skills but too many times today he seemed to have no-one in support when he had the ball. To cap it all, once Adama came on he had to move to the left to accommodate him. We need to be playing our better players in their best positions.
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From football365: http://www.football365.com/news/end-of-the-road-for-sherwood-at-aston-villa
"Alan Hutton, Micah Richards, Joleon Lescott and Kieran Richardson should not have formed a Premier League defence eight years ago, never mind in 2015. Gabby Agbonlahor should not still feature in top-flight games, never mind start them. Villa’s best player in Carles Gil remains on the bench. Rudy Gestede – a man backed by Sherwood as the best header in English football – is fielded, but with no wingers on the pitch. A litany of mistakes, and that was before kick-off."
They're right, you know. Time to go
Bloody hell. You look at that defence and they are right. Together with a shite keeper, 3 of those 4 defenders are awful. In fairness Hutton was ok today
Guzan was okay today. Hutton lost ayew for the goal.
Richards, lescott and Richardson were a bunch of clowns. Lescott could have scored at the death as well.
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I feel sorry for Jordan Ayew, and I've certainly changed my view of him over the past few games. From the very first match away at Bournemouth he has been played out of position for a large percentage of the time he's spent on the pitch. He's clearly got some ball skills but too many times today he seemed to have no-one in support when he had the ball. To cap it all, once Adama came on he had to move to the left to accommodate him. We need to be playing our better players in their best positions.
The left side of a front 3 is his best position I think, if you watch all the highlights of him a lot of his goals seem to come from there.
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Ayew is feeling it hard, going by his post match comments:
"Every week it's the same thing, we play good football but we never win"
:'(
I saw him talking to his brother on the pitch after the final whistle and he looked unconsolable.
I feel for him. I feel for us.
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I feel sorry for Jordan Ayew, and I've certainly changed my view of him over the past few games. From the very first match away at Bournemouth he has been played out of position for a large percentage of the time he's spent on the pitch. He's clearly got some ball skills but too many times today he seemed to have no-one in support when he had the ball. To cap it all, once Adama came on he had to move to the left to accommodate him. We need to be playing our better players in their best positions.
Exactly BC. I think there is a player in there. As for Gestade, he looks really, really poor. As I said a month or so ago, I can see Gestade back in the championship to Blackburn for £2m next season. unfortunately we might be playing against him
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It feels like 1969/70 all over again.
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Some of Sherwood after match comments are very unprofessional and naive and shirking responsibility.
I think if a new manager came in he could actually get more from the players than Sherwood so its an excuse to say about players not being quite good enough. True honesty would be to admit Sherwood didn't get it quite right now cand again rather than blaming players.
Imagine Sherwood saying that
Instead he's defensive and somewhat arrogant in hius comments -
'I'm confident its good to be especially when some of the players out there aren't '
IN response to you must admit you're in a hole
'No I'm not . The club is in a hole'
Could those who went today say that villa were continuolosly on front foot and gave it a go ?? I'd like to know from people at game what the tempo and attacking impetus was like
Watched on tv and they looked ok going forward if a bit hesitant, as you'd expect after 5 defeats in the bounce. Gabby put a good chance wide, gestede fluffed a headed half chance and gabby couldn't quite get on the end of a bacuna low hard cross. Swansea were surprisingly quite open. . Ayew also smashed it straight at keeper from edge of box.
We're just chronic at the back - slow and bad decision making. Giving the ball away and stupid fouls
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have they sacked him yet?
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conspiracy? randy certainly aint interested in us but JUST who is advising him?can he not see his investment going down the shithole?
"no mr lerner,lets give him another 10 games,if we lose 8 its ok,we then only need to win all our games(guessing a bit there)"
it is absolutely imperative we stay in the pl this season and for that to happen randy has to grow some balls,take the bull by the horns,get rid of tim (and others) and spend some dollar on a tactically aware manager who will keep us up,even if he can only piss with the cock hes got!!
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I could have gone to Stourbridge today in the FA Cup.
Walked up, had a couple of pints, watched them beat Kiddy 3-0 and walked home happy for a tenner...
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Just look at who was not in the 18 today, Veretout, Clark, Okore and Kozak. Is the squad that bad? The manager is a fecking joke, that team selection was a joke and his lack of subbing a very tired left back was the last straw for me and cost us the game as Swansea started targeting us there
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I feel sorry for Jordan Ayew, and I've certainly changed my view of him over the past few games. From the very first match away at Bournemouth he has been played out of position for a large percentage of the time he's spent on the pitch. He's clearly got some ball skills but too many times today he seemed to have no-one in support when he had the ball. To cap it all, once Adama came on he had to move to the left to accommodate him. We need to be playing our better players in their best positions.
That's indicitive of our shit squad balance. We're trying to shoehorn our better players into three positions behind our one and only (according to the manager) centre forward, who happens to be shit.
Meanwhile, every single game we have to field a shit keeper, a shit right back, one shit centre half a a shit central midfielder.
That is why we're fucked.
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Tried so hard to back TS, flying in the face of overwhelming opinion.
But when he says he has a fully fit squad to pick from and picks Lescott, Richardson, Gabby, Bacuna and Gestede to start, the game is up.
I mean, Gestede is an awful, awful player but for fucks sake, his ONE attribute is heading the ball in dangerous areas in the box. So his supply line today is what? Picking Richardson over Amavi is the final straw for me.
I don't actually think we deserved to lose today, but we've lost to the worst Swansea team I've seen in years.
We always find a way to lose, it's just in our DNA.
That team is gone. I don't honestly think there's an available manager out there who can save us. We're fucked, were as good as in the Championship and we'll need very sensible decisions to make sure we don't become the next Leeds / Sheffield Wed when the inevitable happens.
I'm gutted, and just sick to death of seeing us lose like this.
Absolutely...The fear of becoming a 'forgotten great' like Leeds and Sheffield Wed is staring us in the face. If we go down there is no guarantee that we will bounce back given the seeming dysfunctionality that is now part of our DNA
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.... But what is unfathomable is the decision to buy an immobile striker with a poor first touch who is simply not suited to the way the rest of the side are set up. Just demonstrates a complete lack of clear thinking in the summer.
Sinclair was not even on the bench, we have a quality goal scorer who is being left out for Gestede and Gabby. More evidence of a clueless manager.
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What was that formation? I still don't know and I spent 90 minutes trying to work it out.
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What was that formation? I still don't know and I spent 90 minutes trying to work it out.
We had four at the back, the middle two, first half I don't think Ayew, Grealish or Gabby had a Scooby what to do or where to be. Second half, Gabby was on the left, Jack just behind the plank up front and Ayew was more on the right and I think he did well.
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What was that formation? I still don't know and I spent 90 minutes trying to work it out.
Whatever you want it to be. Just use your imagination.
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Six defeats in a row. He just has to go.
No more or less than this. I was happy to discover how happy I was when we scored. The numbness soon returned.
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What was that formation? I still don't know and I spent 90 minutes trying to work it out.
Whatever you want it to be. Just use your imagination.
Were you in the dressing room?
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...and to top it all off, I'm trying to think of a word to describe some of the Swansea fans afterwards.
Neanderthals is the best one without being offensive.
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Just look at who was not in the 18 today, Veretout, Clark, Okore and Kozak. Is the squad that bad? The manager is a fecking joke, that team selection was a joke and his lack of subbing a very tired left back was the last straw for me and cost us the game as Swansea started targeting us there
Sinclair and Illori also. That's 3 straight home games Gil has not started, surely he's the type we need in tight matches to unlock the door, away from home he's a luxury perhaps but at home I'd start him.
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Here's the worrying bit. What confidence has anyone got that the clueless clowns running this great club have the faintest idea how to dig us out of this vast and ever deepening hole?
I only ask because they are the incompetent buffoons who dug the bloody great hole in the first place. Lerner, Falkner, Fox, the Gormless General........a roll of dishonour and shame.
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Just look at who was not in the 18 today, Veretout, Clark, Okore and Kozak. Is the squad that bad? The manager is a fecking joke, that team selection was a joke and his lack of subbing a very tired left back was the last straw for me and cost us the game as Swansea started targeting us there
Sinclair and Illori also. That's 3 straight home games Gil has not started, surely he's the type we need in tight matches to unlock the door, away from home he's a luxury perhaps but at home I'd start him.
Quite right, that isn't a poor squad IMO.
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...and to top it all off, I'm trying to think of a word to describe some of the Swansea fans afterwards.
Neanderthals is the best one without being offensive.
What were they doing?
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Here's the worrying bit. What confidence has anyone got that the clueless clowns running this great club have the faintest idea how to dig us out of this vast and ever deepening hole?
I only ask because they are the incompetent buffoons who dug the bloody great hole in the first place. Lerner, Falkner, Fox, the Gormless General........a roll of dishonour and shame.
They probably think that they are doing the right thing but don't realise the AVFC are not a baseball team. Jargon spouting and clueless Americans
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Quite an amazing story for the Ayew family. On Friday 24th April this year Lorient won 5-3 away at Olympique Marseille, Jordan scoring twice for the away side against his former club, and Andre scoring once for the home side. Today, exactly six months later, and on the first occasion their respective new clubs have met since their signings, they both managed to get on the score sheet again.
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One of the major problems with Lambert teams was how static we were. There were endless occasions when players had little space and there was no movement from teammates. Players just standing in one space, rooted to the spot, not making themselves available for an outball. I thought the fundamental need for movement would be a basic coaching exercise, a requirement of every player to learn and apply. It is still happening with numerous examples today. That's no fault of Lerner, Fox et al.
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...and to top it all off, I'm trying to think of a word to describe some of the Swansea fans afterwards.
Neanderthals is the best one without being offensive.
What were they doing?
I believe there were sheep involved ;)
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It feels like 1969/70 all over again.
Yes, or 1966/67.
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...and to top it all off, I'm trying to think of a word to describe some of the Swansea fans afterwards.
Neanderthals is the best one without being offensive.
What were they doing?
I believe there were sheep involved ;)
Consenting or non consenting?
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...and to top it all off, I'm trying to think of a word to describe some of the Swansea fans afterwards.
Neanderthals is the best one without being offensive.
What were they doing?
I believe there were sheep involved ;)
Consenting or non consenting?
Would it make any difference?
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It feels like 1969/70 all over again.
Yes, or 1966/67.
I think it's very much like 69/70. A bright new manager, having promised much, eventually realises he can't do what he originally thought was possible. He gets sacked, but his successor isn't capable of keeping us up. Alors, after a long and steady decline, the nadir of the club's history sees us getting relegated to somewhere Aston Villa shouldn't be.
Boo.
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Felt sorry for Gana today he was employed as a one man midfield I saw no formation anywhere just a load if individuals playing off the cuff. This team remind me so much of the tommy doc relegation team and sherwood as Doc himself, constantly changing a team with an overload if offensive players and no formation.
I fear he will go in the next few weeks but this squad won't save us whoever comes in I'm afraid.
We're fucked doomed and championship bound.
It's been coming and now it's here.
It hurts like hell to see my club suffer like this but I think it's enevitable now.
Swansea were there for the taking just like Chelsea last week, we weren't up to it and I can see us finishing bottom unless there's a miracle.
Off to get more pissed.
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...and to top it all off, I'm trying to think of a word to describe some of the Swansea fans afterwards.
Neanderthals is the best one without being offensive.
What were they doing?
Trying to provoke people, anyone, even ones in their 60s by acting the tough guys. Running round with their trousers round their ankles. They were fucking pathetic.
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Felt sorry for Gana today he was employed as a one man midfield I saw no formation anywhere just a load if individuals playing off the cuff. This team remind me so much of the tommy doc relegation team and sherwood as Doc himself, constantly changing a team with an overload if offensive players and no formation.
I fear he will go in the next few weeks but this squad won't save us whoever comes in I'm afraid.
We're fucked doomed and championship bound.
It's been coming and now it's here.
It hurts like hell to see my club suffer like this but I think it's enevitable now.
Swansea were there for the taking just like Chelsea last week, we weren't up to it and I can see us finishing bottom unless there's a miracle.
Off to get more pissed.
I actually thought Gana was really good today, but Bacuna was not far behind and never thought I would say that.
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...and to top it all off, I'm trying to think of a word to describe some of the Swansea fans afterwards.
Neanderthals is the best one without being offensive.
What were they doing?
Trying to provoke people, anyone, even ones in their 60s by acting the tough guys. Running round with their trousers round their ankles. They were fucking pathetic.
All of them? Or just a handful of fuckwits like every team has?
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Just look at who was not in the 18 today, Veretout, Clark, Okore and Kozak. Is the squad that bad? The manager is a fecking joke, that team selection was a joke and his lack of subbing a very tired left back was the last straw for me and cost us the game as Swansea started targeting us there
Sinclair and Illori also. That's 3 straight home games Gil has not started, surely he's the type we need in tight matches to unlock the door, away from home he's a luxury perhaps but at home I'd start him.
Quite right, that isn't a poor squad IMO.
I'd argue the back up 11 is stronger than Tim's 1st choice.
Bunn
Illori Okore Clark Amavi
Sanchez Veretout
Adama Gil Sinclair
Kozak
With Gardner, Crespo and N'Zog from the bench.
I reckon they'd beat today's starting 11
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...and to top it all off, I'm trying to think of a word to describe some of the Swansea fans afterwards.
Neanderthals is the best one without being offensive.
What were they doing?
Trying to provoke people, anyone, even ones in their 60s by acting the tough guys. Running round with their trousers round their ankles. They were fucking pathetic.
All of them? Or just a handful of fuckwits like every team has?
The bold bit in his original comment may help.
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tim Sherwood is an absolute cock, fuck him off, Randy and tom are clueless and taking us down, upshot is randy looses fucking millions (bothered) and we may then be sold to a buyer who picks up a bargain in the championship brings us back and we start again.
randy will be remembered as a bit of a bungling buffoon who played the game and lost a few million, and certainly despised by all Villa
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...and to top it all off, I'm trying to think of a word to describe some of the Swansea fans afterwards.
Neanderthals is the best one without being offensive.
What were they doing?
Trying to provoke people, anyone, even ones in their 60s by acting the tough guys. Running round with their trousers round their ankles. They were fucking pathetic.
let them enjoy their day out at villa park. They must love coming here, like most away fans. The only use for villa park seems to be for away trips, allowing Neanderthals to enjoy themselves at a once famous old ground at the expense of us long suffering mugs
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Well he really should have been given the boot 3 weeks ago before the international break. I've been hoping the delay has been to give them more time to sound out the likes of Moyes, Rodgers etc.
But after today's result he must go now, if he's not gone by Monday then this Board will deserve everything they get. TS lost them with his blunders and subsequent comments blaming the side following the Leicester fuck up. That trashed this side mentally and he's done it consistantly since the dumb shit.
Need to sack TS and get in a half decent Manager and a very decent sports Psychologist and we can still rescue this. But it must happen now!
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Well he really should have been given the boot 3 weeks ago before the international break. I've been hoping the delay has been to give them more time to sound out the likes of Moyes, Rodgers etc.
But after today's result he must go now, if he's not gone by Monday then this Board will deserve everything they get. TS lost them with his blunders and subsequent comments blaming the side following the Leicester fuck up. That trashed this side mentally and he's done it consistantly since the dumb shit.
Need to sack TS and get in a half decent Manager and a very decent sports Psychologist and we can still rescue this. But it must happen now!
I agree that the Leicester fuck up was the catalyst for the situation we now find ourselves.
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I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed.
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Irrespective of any other points, Sherwood's conduct in this evening's post match interviews should secure his departure. Flippant, obtuse, resigned, deflated, deflective, beaten. I know our shower are inept but come on, surely not?
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He's a gonner, no doubt about it, managers are rarely sacked weekends though.
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I didn't think we were that bad today but it was another defeat which is not good enough really. Gana was great and Hutton had a decent enough game. The ref was dire though.
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Just look at who was not in the 18 today, Veretout, Clark, Okore and Kozak. Is the squad that bad? The manager is a fecking joke, that team selection was a joke and his lack of subbing a very tired left back was the last straw for me and cost us the game as Swansea started targeting us there
Sinclair and Illori also. That's 3 straight home games Gil has not started, surely he's the type we need in tight matches to unlock the door, away from home he's a luxury perhaps but at home I'd start him.
Quite right, that isn't a poor squad IMO.
I'd argue the back up 11 is stronger than Tim's 1st choice.
Bunn
Illori Okore Clark Amavi
Sanchez Veretout
Adama Gil Sinclair
Kozak
With Gardner, Crespo and N'Zog from the bench.
I reckon they'd beat today's starting 11
I wont go into that, but what I will say is there are lots of players there that premiership teams would want in their teams. My thoughts are Tim did not want Amavi (why not) and Veretout (why not), Amavi has been excellent tbh.
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I take the point that the owners of the club can't be blamed directly for the poor coaching, tactical ineptitude, selection blunders and the inability of players to perform the basic skills of the game, but if anyone seriously thinks that Villa's deep seated problems can be cured by the appointment of yet another new Manager, then they are seriously deluded. Our club has been brought to its current dismal and depressing plight by the people who have run it for the past four or five disastrous years and who appointed Houllier, McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood. Not only were these poor choices, they were compounded by a campaign of austerity imposed on the club to rescue it from O'Neill's profligacy; a profligacy, by the way, encouraged by a guileless and naive owner who thought he'd inherited a managerial genius. Lerner's casual, lazy, remote and long distance ownership style allowed O'Neill to run the Villa like his own personal fiefdom and the club was virtually a financial basket case in terms of its day-to-day solvency before Lerner woke up and tried to rein O'Neill in. The self-important and overrated Ulsterman then stormed off in a huff and left us in the lurch on the cusp of a new season and our current plight can be plotted all the way back to those fateful days.
The story since has been a tragic catalogue of botched managerial appointments and shoestring investment from an increasingly resentful owner and I fear the worst run club in the top flight over the last five years will meet its just deserts in May and become a Championship club, just at the very time that the Premiership gravy train really does arrive at the station.
Oh dear, the very irony of it all.
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Did their keeper have to make anything like an actual save?
Dave Pountney, great post mate. I do think that we are run slightly better these days, although not much. But I do think that the right appointment will be a big lift.
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My biggest issue is the lack of any effort to create a formation and style of play and stick to it! He keeps saying that he is going to keep making changes in the hope of stumbling across the right combination. Well I'm sorry, but we don't pay you to throw a load of names in a hat each week and hope you randomly draw out a winning side. That's what training sessions are for! Decide on a formation and who your best players are within that formation, stick to it and do some bloody work on the training ground to make it work
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What the fuck was Richards playing at with his pathetic macho man handbags as Swansea were breaking? Pathetic.
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I'm gutted tonight, I don't even have the energy to vent because it's just repeating the same things said for the last couple of months or in some cases the last 4 years.
The bottom line is we are in a state of our rookie/thickie leaderships making and we will do very very well to not be relegated this season.
I just don't see it though, we won't score many and we will concede almost every game. No shape, no pattern, the players are poorly drilled, the selections are wrong. We are fucked. We're going down this season and I'm hurting.
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I take the point that the owners of the club can't be blamed directly for the poor coaching, tactical ineptitude, selection blunders and the inability of players to perform the basic skills of the game, but if anyone seriously thinks that Villa's deep seated problems can be cured by the appointment of yet another new Manager, then they are seriously deluded. Our club has been brought to its current dismal and depressing plight by the people who have run it for the past four or five disastrous years and who appointed Houllier, McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood. Not only were these poor choices, they were compounded by a campaign of austerity imposed on the club to rescue it from O'Neill's profligacy; a profligacy, by the way, encouraged by a guileless and naive owner who thought he'd inherited a managerial genius. Lerner's casual, lazy, remote and long distance ownership style allowed O'Neill to run the Villa like his own personal fiefdom and the club was virtually a financial basket case in terms of its day-to-day solvency before Lerner woke up and tried to rein O'Neill in. The self-important and overrated Ulsterman then stormed off in a huff and left us in the lurch on the cusp of a new season and our current plight can be plotted all the way back to those fateful days.
The story since has been a tragic catalogue of botched managerial appointments and shoestring investment from an increasingly resentful owner and I fear the worst run club in the top flight over the last five years will meet its just deserts in May and become a Championship club, just at the very time that the Premiership gravy train really does arrive at the station.
Oh dear, the very irony of it all.
Irony?
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What the fuck was Richards playing at with his pathetic macho man handbags as Swansea were breaking? Pathetic.
To be fair he had been nutted in the face. Would be more concerned that he was MIA again for their second goal and gave away a needless free kick for the first one.
Gueye's lack of professionalism for the second goal was disgusting. Let the Swansea player run off him and hung Richardson out to dry.
Nice goal we got, well worked. Would have scored a similar one earlier if Gabby had played across to Ayew.
How did Bacuna go today?
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My biggest issue is the lack of any effort to create a formation and style of play and stick to it! He keeps saying that he is going to keep making changes in the hope of stumbling across the right combination. Well I'm sorry, but we don't pay you to throw a load of names in a hat each week and hope you randomly draw out a winning side. That's what training sessions are for! Decide on a formation and who your best players are within that formation, stick to it and do some bloody work on the training ground to make it work
That is, word for word, what I find myself shouting at the radio on a frequent basis whenever some pundit or "expert" attempts to enlighten the world on our club's current woes. Yes, there are undoubtedly issues away from the pitch, but on it, just stop fucking dicking about, you twunt.
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Every week the team/formation changes, how can we get any kind of consistency? I'm sick of seeing Hutton on the ball in their half because you know he's just going to give it away or put it out for a goal kick.
Just everything about the team is boring. Gestede with no wingers, Gabby full stop! A cracking ball from Grealish with him on the bloody end and he can't even get it on target. Just go you boring ****** and if he switches his phone off txt him!!!!!
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It feels like 1969/70 all over again.
Yes, or 1966/67.
I bet the members of Ocean Colour Scene text things like this to each other all the time.
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Bacuna and Lescott produced performances which were amongst the worst of my 45 years on this planet.
Abysmal beyond belief. Fucking abysmal.
Yes, I have been drinking. I've had a lot to drink.
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P W D L G A PTS GD
Aston Villa 81 20 22 39 86 114 82 -28
Our home record the last 4 and a bit years
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Bacuna and Lescott produced performances which were amongst the worst of my 45 years on this planet.
Abysmal beyond belief. Fucking abysmal.
Yes, I have been drinking. I've had a lot to drink.
So have I and may I suggest you are wrong. First post I have seen so gone for you as actually thought Bacuna was good
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Just home.
Totally gutted , upset beyond belief, no idea where we go next.
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decisive action needed tonight please Foxy
Don't think he was even there today.
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Bacuna and Lescott produced performances which were amongst the worst of my 45 years on this planet.
Abysmal beyond belief. Fucking abysmal.
Yes, I have been drinking. I've had a lot to drink.
So have I and may I suggest you are wrong. First post I have seen so gone for you as actually thought Bacuna was good
Hic! Cheers Luton
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decisive action needed tonight please Foxy
Don't think he was even there today.
If he needed another defeat and wacky starting 11 to tell him dim Tim isn't up to the job and hiring a mouth piece with 6 months experience was a bad idea then he's more stupid than I thought.
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Ok ...pissed off and pissed...can 4 managers/coaches all be shit or is the core of the club be the real culprit, sorry but I think we're all doomed if things don't change by the end of the month
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Ok ...pissed off and pissed...can 4 managers/coaches all be shit or is the core of the club be the real culprit, sorry but I think we're all doomed if things don't change by the end of the month
We have the perfect storm of having the core of the club run by amateurs and a stream of shit managers in a row.
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decisive action needed tonight please Foxy
Don't think he was even there today.
If he needed another defeat and wacky starting 11 to tell him dim Tim isn't up to the job and hiring a mouth piece with 6 months experience was a bad idea then he's more stupid than I thought.
I don't want to bad mouth anyone at the club as I know they are all working hard and doing their very best. We've got decent players. It seems to be about tactics , formations and game plans that are adrift.
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Didn't watch the game live but just forced myself to watch the replay. The main point for me is that we have some very good players, Gana to me is class so is Richards and Anew will be a player, overall we have a squad that should be winning games more often than not. There are clear problems, if you are not going to use wide players what use is Gestede it's like playing with ten men he is not Benteke mark 2 someone should have a word and tell that he needs to put himself about and get stuck in to defenders.I feel a little better that with a more competent manager there is still time to get out of this mess.
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On a roll.....back in the day I knew what our strategy was....break, wingers cross to centre forwards ...bang...goal (sometimes), now I sit/stand (sometimes) and wonder what is going on. Is it me but do we have trouble passing to our own players and keeping possession. Guyana distribution is shocking and our throwing always end up with the opposition, sorry got to go and visit the shiraz
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I'm so upset. We are a massive and brilliant club. Thus it's so hard to take . My biggest issue is I care too much.
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I'm so upset. We are a massive and brilliant club. Thus it's so hard to take . My biggest issue is I care too much.
You and me and everyone else on here.
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Just watched the replay as I had work all day.
We are really bad. I don't care who shoulders the blame, as a unit we are just flat out terrible.
Gabby and Gestede have got to be THE worst forward pairing I've ever seen. They are so one-dimensional and poor. Can't trap a ball, can't get into a passing build up, can't shoot, can't defend, only make reactionary runs, offer nothing proactive. Seriously, they are just so terrible it makes me want to rip my hair out. How they both conned their way into the Premier League is beyond me. Gabby is so far past it, I used to love the guy, but he should not even sniff premier league football.
Bacuna in the central midfield was just dumb and shows sherwood really means it when he says he has NO IDEA what our best line up is.
Our back four is like a blooper reel from 2008. I don't think Hutton played terrible, but I can't say the same for Richardson. The pot is really starting to boil over when Richards is losing his shit over a non-call. He was pretty good today, but gave away the free kick (foul or not) that turned the game.
Gana was okay. I liked Gil he seems to be the only one, week in week out, that plays with confidence and trusts his ability. And I'm glad Ayew is coming good, he absolutely has to lead the line for us in the future. Our other "options" are useless.
Jack needs to be better. I don't care how old he is.
With all that said, I think Sherwood needs to be replaced. Unfortunately I think this will be our year for the drop. With so many young, impressionable minds I think it will be hard to turn the club around. I don't know where to go from here. Luck Ferner.
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I'm so upset. We are a massive and brilliant club. Thus it's so hard to take . My biggest issue is I care too much.
You and me and everyone else on here.
bloxx not only are we shite but I've run out of Shiraz.........arhh antifreeze!
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Dang this extra hour!
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If the clocks go back in England then Sherwood gets an extra hour as manager. We are being screwed at every turn to get rid of this bloke.
(http://i.imgur.com/PlfNEPo.jpg)
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It had completely slipped me by that the clocks went back tonight. I dozed off for a bit and woke up 20 odd mins ago. It's quite amused me how confused I was trying to work out what was going on when posts on here were a later time than my phone and laptop were showing it now was.
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I take the point that the owners of the club can't be blamed directly for the poor coaching, tactical ineptitude, selection blunders and the inability of players to perform the basic skills of the game, but if anyone seriously thinks that Villa's deep seated problems can be cured by the appointment of yet another new Manager, then they are seriously deluded. Our club has been brought to its current dismal and depressing plight by the people who have run it for the past four or five disastrous years and who appointed Houllier, McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood. Not only were these poor choices, they were compounded by a campaign of austerity imposed on the club to rescue it from O'Neill's profligacy; a profligacy, by the way, encouraged by a guileless and naive owner who thought he'd inherited a managerial genius. Lerner's casual, lazy, remote and long distance ownership style allowed O'Neill to run the Villa like his own personal fiefdom and the club was virtually a financial basket case in terms of its day-to-day solvency before Lerner woke up and tried to rein O'Neill in. The self-important and overrated Ulsterman then stormed off in a huff and left us in the lurch on the cusp of a new season and our current plight can be plotted all the way back to those fateful days.
The story since has been a tragic catalogue of botched managerial appointments and shoestring investment from an increasingly resentful owner and I fear the worst run club in the top flight over the last five years will meet its just deserts in May and become a Championship club, just at the very time that the Premiership gravy train really does arrive at the station.
Oh dear, the very irony of it all.
Irony?
Certainly. Ask yourself why Lerner bought into the club. Without doubt one of his main motivations would have been for financial gain. However, not only has he blown many million$ on a hopelessly misguided venture, but having managed to keep his investment vehicle in the Premier League's promised land all this time, it looks like he won't be enjoying the big cash bonanza that's coming next season.
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I'm so upset. We are a massive and brilliant club. Thus it's so hard to take . My biggest issue is I care too much.
You and me and everyone else on here.
And knackered next day. I often have to get up at 2am to watch this shit.
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My big fear is this season may finish the club for many years of competing in the PL if relegation as is likely happens. The teams who stay in the league this season will take a giant leap forward financially and be far ahead of the rest including Villa. Lerner simply has to axe Sherwood now and get Moyes in and needs to invest heavily in January or he'll stand to lose over £100m with the value of the club dropping massively by relegation. A shambles which is scary and depressing.
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My big fear is that having taken my son to home games for the last five or six years social services are going to knock on my door and take him away and charge me with child cruelty. Which would be hard to defend in the circumstances.
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My child who accompanied me to the game is 37 years old. He not only has to put up with what goes on in the game, he has to put up with a foul tempered madman of a father.
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If for no other reason than his bad game management, he should be on his way out of the door.
He placed himself in a position prior to the game "We will win", that at the time of the first Swansea goal, his options were totally limited, a point in our position would have been a point gained, not ideal but a step away from losing every bloody game, he could not shore up the midfield or put on another defender as he had backed himself into a corner before a ball was kicked.
As for the game, Gana played well but after 75 minutes was blowing through his arse as he was the only defensive midfielder we had on the pitch, leading to Naughton being allowed to gallop down the wing and we know the result, he was moaning after the game about late goals being conceded, this is because you leave players out there who have no mental concentration left.
Whilst his quality of cross is awful, Hutton has to be appreciated for his willingness to cover the ground to at least get into those positions to start with, if only Gabby and Gestede would put in as much movement and effort.
Ayew had a decent enough game and you can see that there is a player there waiting to be discovered, Jack needs to step up, totally missing for most of the time he was on the pitch and Lescott just why??
A good tactician and motivator can still get us out of this, but the top management of the club will have to do something that there track record shows is not their forte, get rid of the wrong man and pick the right one and if doing the one first leaves a couple of weeks gap before we get the right one do it, because we have nothing further to lose than just letting Sherwood carry on.
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I haven't gone through the thread so may be making a point already raised. But there is an argument to be made for the pointlessness of sacking Sherwood if the conditions the manager has to work under is overhauled. Not every manager that we employ should produce the same dour football. I think Houllier's reign would have seen him walking as there is no way he would have continued under the same financial restrictions every other manager has worked under.
If, as reported, that some if the players brought in weren't Sherwood's then its no surprise its a mess. Every club has someone feeding in to the player or type if player needed. Taylor and Clough the mist famous example. But its like both camps at Villa had the same type of players needed on their list but it also appears there was no communication between the two 'sides'. So we have plenty of similar players in similar positions and a lack of experience and quality elsewhere.
But watching yesterday where Sherwood gets no credit is that there is no shape. It was like watching an under7 team running around aimlessly. You'd also have 2 or 3 players in the middle all running for the same ball and the one(s) not getting there just stood and watched. It was terrible. It was not possible to identify our plan, what we were trying to do other than the odd lump to Gestede.
By playing Bacuna in the middle - who to be fair put in a shift whoever ineffective - meant that when we needed to make a change to chase the game we had to leave our soft centre alone. If taking Gabby off then replace with a Sanchez or Westwood as we were losing the game in the middle. We didn't and we were totally at sea.
The problem with the subs bench was that we were never going to take Gestede off. He should have gone instead of Gabby. If Gabby was knackered then stick an interested Ayew up front. He was in the mood but playing too deep. Up top with only a man to beat and he would have filled his boots. That Sherwood didn't recognise that says it all. Its just set up terribly and despite the very real problems I mentioned at the top Sherwood can't set a team up. He's cost us 6 winning points at Leicester and home to Swansea now. He has just got to go.
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Any manager going through a bad run must look at the fixtures and be delighted when we are their next opponents.
It was just shambolic yesterday, no structure or cohesion. He has to go now.
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I could see what the plan was. It was experiment no.1456 by Sherwood - high pressing using all the players who had the best 'pace' stats on Football Manager. They were told to go and hound Swansea deep in their own half and in the early exchanges we actually won a bit of possession. The problem? I think we broke the world record for the shortest period to elapse before a plan was found out and stopped working. I made it around three and a half minutes. After that, there was no shape and the players looked like they had just met in the tunnel, as usual.
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And why are so confused by the art of passing the ball. Hardly anything to feet. Throws to Gestede with only Gabby looking for a flick behind him. Nobody inside. Wrong decisions when simple through ball would suffice. One point in the first half a quick ball through to Gabby and he was away. Instead Bacuna or Gana decided to run across the pitch and give it Ayew who by then was surrounded by Swansea players with no-one offering any support.
Those who I thought did well will get a shout out...Guzan, Hutton, Ayew, and Richards. I didn't think Gabby was too bad either and picked out a good ball for Ayew to score. The players are there. We can stay up. We need to start playing as a unit and fast.
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Bottom line, the players aren't good enough-individually or collectively.
Glimpses here and there such as Gana not enough, especially if he goes to pot late on in games.Maybe a new manager could rustle a few points but nowhere near enough for survival.
Yesterday was the least jumpy-up at a Villa goal I've been , solely because I felt we would fail to capitalise and concede.No confidence in this team.
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I don't think we played that badly yesterday but despite us scoring, you could just sense them coming back into it and this is where Tim let's himself down. Another holding midfielder and fresh pair of legs would have helped tighten things up. Also, i'm amazed Gestede stayed on for the 90 minutes. I think Sherwood will get the Southampton game then after that who knows.
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Gestede getting the entire 90 minutes was just bizarre. Contributed nothing, just nothing.
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I take the point that the owners of the club can't be blamed directly for the poor coaching, tactical ineptitude, selection blunders and the inability of players to perform the basic skills of the game, but if anyone seriously thinks that Villa's deep seated problems can be cured by the appointment of yet another new Manager, then they are seriously deluded. Our club has been brought to its current dismal and depressing plight by the people who have run it for the past four or five disastrous years and who appointed Houllier, McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood. Not only were these poor choices, they were compounded by a campaign of austerity imposed on the club to rescue it from O'Neill's profligacy; a profligacy, by the way, encouraged by a guileless and naive owner who thought he'd inherited a managerial genius. Lerner's casual, lazy, remote and long distance ownership style allowed O'Neill to run the Villa like his own personal fiefdom and the club was virtually a financial basket case in terms of its day-to-day solvency before Lerner woke up and tried to rein O'Neill in. The self-important and overrated Ulsterman then stormed off in a huff and left us in the lurch on the cusp of a new season and our current plight can be plotted all the way back to those fateful days.
The story since has been a tragic catalogue of botched managerial appointments and shoestring investment from an increasingly resentful owner and I fear the worst run club in the top flight over the last five years will meet its just deserts in May and become a Championship club, just at the very time that the Premiership gravy train really does arrive at the station.
Oh dear, the very irony of it all.
As good a summary of our situation as you'll find.
I was at VP yesterday - a rare outing for me, courtesy of a friend's spare season ticket (I'm not paying to watch that crap) - and what struck me as Swansea's inevitable second went in was the lack of anger. The fans just took it in the chin and, apart from a chorus of boos at full time, there was hardly a murmur of disquiet. Sherwood didn't get his Bolton moment. They've broken us.
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randy will be remembered as a bit of a bungling buffoon who played the game and lost a few million, and certainly despised by all Villa
I must say I don't despise Lerner. He's a victim of his own naiivity perhaps but I think he's has genuinely tried to always to do right by the Villa. He's been let down badly by the people he's hired he's responsible for that and of course responsible for whichever course Villa take, but I definitely don't despise him.
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of course you could argue quite compellingly that he's always hired the wrong people and more enlightened appointments wouldn't have resulted in such misery
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Nelly, that is what I just do not get, what decisions has he taken that has been good for the business that is Aston Villa, yes some of his decisions from a moral point of view have been good, i.e. Acorns, but look closer and tell me one good business decision since the day he walked in through the door has added value to AVFC.
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He promised to rebuild the worst stand in the premier league. The north stand. Fuckin ugly mess. And yes I know it's on the pitch that matters but it just goes to show how unambitious and stagnant the club has become. The club has become totally stale under Lerner Both on and off the pitch. Which is why we are going to get what we deserve. RELEGATED
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If for no other reason than his bad game management, he should be on his way out of the door.
He placed himself in a position prior to the game "We will win", that at the time of the first Swansea goal, his options were totally limited, a point in our position would have been a point gained, not ideal but a step away from losing every bloody game, he could not shore up the midfield or put on another defender as he had backed himself into a corner before a ball was kicked.
As for the game, Gana played well but after 75 minutes was blowing through his arse as he was the only defensive midfielder we had on the pitch, leading to Naughton being allowed to gallop down the wing and we know the result, he was moaning after the game about late goals being conceded, this is because you leave players out there who have no mental concentration left.
Whilst his quality of cross is awful, Hutton has to be appreciated for his willingness to cover the ground to at least get into those positions to start with, if only Gabby and Gestede would put in as much movement and effort.
Ayew had a decent enough game and you can see that there is a player there waiting to be discovered, Jack needs to step up, totally missing for most of the time he was on the pitch and Lescott just why??
A good tactician and motivator can still get us out of this, but the top management of the club will have to do something that there track record shows is not their forte, get rid of the wrong man and pick the right one and if doing the one first leaves a couple of weeks gap before we get the right one do it, because we have nothing further to lose than just letting Sherwood carry on.
Yup. Summed up very well.
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My child who accompanied me to the game is 37 years old. He not only has to put up with what goes on in the game, he has to put up with a foul tempered madman of a father.
Well someone has to teach the grandchildren how to behave at a football match.
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I was at VP yesterday - a rare outing for me, courtesy of a friend's spare season ticket (I'm not paying to watch that crap) - and what struck me as Swansea's inevitable second went in was the lack of anger. The fans just took it in the chin and, apart from a chorus of boos at full time, there was hardly a murmur of disquiet. Sherwood didn't get his Bolton moment. They've broken us.
Spot on Jimbo - the only time I felt any emotion yesterday was when I realised we were in the lead - I then began to fret about the inevitable come back by Swansea - I am just glad it only took 5-odd minutes - I now come down the steps of the Holte thinking about what I am having for my tea with the debacle behind me forgotten until the next time. Sad doesn't come close...
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Sherwood has gone.
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See ya Tim
Thanks for the 2 games against the stripey shite at vp and the semi at Wembley never forget them.