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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Witton End on April 09, 2015, 06:13:50 PM
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Given the trend of standing at both wembley appearances in 2010, villa being one the biggest supporters safe standing, and persistent areas of standing established at villa park, it's safe to say there will be a good number of Villa supporters standing throughout the game at the semi final. On the other side equally there will be supporters who won't want to stand and might be able to. To avoid the standers and sitters clashing I call for us the villa supporters to organise ourselves. I would suggest we follow current trends. Those wanting to sit get their tickets at the front or on the side lines, and those who want to stand get tickets behind the goal or in the back blocks.
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A smashing idea
You do realise the tickets are already out don't you?
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yes, which is why I selected my tickets in a area that I did.
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yes, which is why I selected my tickets in a area that I did.
But that only works if you tell the other 33,000 going of your plan before they got theirs.
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Witton end totally agree.
Anyone who seen me on the upper Holte v west brom in the f.a. Cup singing shouting jumping up and down for 90 minutes just to let you all know I was actually trying to get everyone to sit down applaud politely because there was a few people who would of liked to of seen the game from there sitting position on the Holte end.
I thought it was April 9th today it must be April the 1st
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"Sit down, so I can watch the game..."
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yes, which is why I selected my tickets in a area that I did.
But that only works if you tell the other 33,000 going of your plan before they got theirs.
He has, he's posted it on here.
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Good idea. I've told everyone.
They are all on board and everyone has agreed to change their tickets accordingly. 30,000 of us will be meeting at the Costa Coffee around the corner before the game to swap them so we all have the desired seating.
Oh and some bloke with a drum has asked to sit by you.
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This would of been a superb idea 4 weeks ago lolz
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"Sidowwwn"
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It's an away game, stand up. It won't feel like 90 minutes anyway, it never does at Wembley.
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Been in club wembley last 2 times we've been there, both times its kicked off due to a mixture of alcohols and disappointment and a blended group of supporters.
Think it will be more civilised in the regular seats which we are looking forwards to.
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I was at both Wembley games in 2010, in the same block - toward the back of the lower tier, behind the goal, and there wasn't any standing.
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It's an away game, stand up.
Shout out to the old, young or health-challenged types in the crowd!
Enjoy your 90 minutes watching someone else's back!
It might be an away game but it'll be a totally different demographic to usual away games.
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Good point keep those who want to sit and stand apart.Against united in the cup o knew I would be standing as it's behind the goal at the back. Chelsea I was surprised I was on the side in the middle and was standing. I will say it's season ticket holders or regulars who stand day tripper, Johnny come lately types don't.
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You can still shout and sing from a sitting position and enjoy the game, standing belongs in the past with shove downs etc
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Last year in a conversation with Lee Preece, he advised that they encourage those who wish to sit at away games to buy tickets in upper tiers and at the front.
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"Sit down, so I can watch the game..."
The old git who sits behind me said this to me when Benteke scored against Man Ure in December. As I pointed out, everyone else in the ground was stood up and celebrating at the time, so why did I need to make an exception for him? He was, I should add, perfectly capable of standing up/bending down himself.
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Yeah fuck those bloody Johnny come lately and day trippers, make you sick. Or how about those who can't or don't want to stand for 90 minutes?
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Those who wish to sit have every right to sit, the same right as those who wish to stand, so separate the two
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Those who wish to sit have every right to sit, the same right as those who wish to stand, so separate the two
That is fundamentally incorrect.
You're never going to win an argument if you start from a position as factually wrong as that.
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I'm pretty sure no club has ever had it's away allocation cut, or been threatened with reduced at home, for persistent sitting.
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As a compromise, I suggest everybody stands knees bent in a sort of semi crouching stance.
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3 years ago I was diagnosed with MS and as a result cannot longer stand for any length of time.
At Villa Park I sit in Lower Trinity and for majority of matches can watch sitting down without a problem. Exception is cup games as regular season ticket holders don't always go and we get lots of persistent standers - at the recent Baggies cup match I watched what I could from the screen between North Stand and Witton Lane. We didn't even consider going to Wembley as I couldn't stand and wouldn't want to spend 90 minutes looking at someone else's back.
I have recently spoken to Sheila Maybury (disabled liaison officer) and she has put our minds at rest regarding any possible future trips to Wembley.
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I really hope you and your group are nowhere near me and my nephew. I really don't want to explain how his first trip to Wembley is being ruined by you and your lack of appreciation for the needs of others.
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I really hope you and your group are nowhere near me and my nephew. I really don't want to explain how his first trip to Wembley is being ruined by you and your lack of appreciation for the needs of others.
Same here, taking my 12 year old son. He's a Johnny come lately and I'm a day tripper.
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3 years ago I was diagnosed with MS and as a result cannot longer stand for any length of time.
At Villa Park I sit in Lower Trinity and for majority of matches can watch sitting down without a problem. Exception is cup games as regular season ticket holders don't always go and we get lots of persistent standers - at the recent Baggies cup match I watched what I could from the screen between North Stand and Witton Lane. We didn't even consider going to Wembley as I couldn't stand and wouldn't want to spend 90 minutes looking at someone else's back.
I have recently spoken to Sheila Maybury (disabled liaison officer) and she has put our minds at rest regarding any possible future trips to Wembley.
I'm terribly sorry to hear this. I was in no way suggesting that everyone should have to stand - I hope that it didn't appear like this.
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Football is 56.7% more enjoyable when watched from a standing position.
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I think its 100% more enjoyable from a sitting position.
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I think its 100% more enjoyable from a sitting position.
I disagree Aftab - how many goals do you celebrate sitting down?
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Football is 56.7% more enjoyable when watched from a standing position.
If you're a) able to stand and b) wish to do so.
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If grounds had been all seater from day one of football I doubt we'd all have been clamouring for standing in an area too small for the number of people and where half of you can't see to be introduced. We are sold a myth that standing was a golden era when it was uncomfortable and was just a way of piling it high and selling it cheap. You can make plenty of noise without needing to stand.
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If grounds had been all seater from day one of football i doubt we'd all have been clamoring for standing in an area too small for the number of people and where half of you can't see to be introduced. We are sold a myth that standing was a golden era when it was uncomfortable and was just a way of piling it high and selling it cheap. You can make plenty of noise without needing to stand.
Give us the option then.
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If grounds had been all seater from day one of football i doubt we'd all have been clamoring for standing in an area too small for the number of people and where half of you can't see to be introduced. We are sold a myth that standing was a golden era when it was uncomfortable and was just a way of piling it high and selling it cheap. You can make plenty of noise without needing to stand.
Give us the option then.
I certainly don't disagree with people having the choice, just that I personally don't miss standing. But that may just be because I'm turning into a boring old fart.
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If grounds had been all seater from day one of football i doubt we'd all have been clamoring for standing in an area too small for the number of people and where half of you can't see to be introduced. We are sold a myth that standing was a golden era when it was uncomfortable and was just a way of piling it high and selling it cheap. You can make plenty of noise without needing to stand.
Give us the option then.
Sit next to us!
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We are sold a myth that standing was a golden era when it was uncomfortable and was just a way of piling it high and selling it cheap.
Going the match was a much better experience when you could stand where you like & with who you like... That was never a myth.
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3 years ago I was diagnosed with MS and as a result cannot longer stand for any length of time.
At Villa Park I sit in Lower Trinity and for majority of matches can watch sitting down without a problem. Exception is cup games as regular season ticket holders don't always go and we get lots of persistent standers - at the recent Baggies cup match I watched what I could from the screen between North Stand and Witton Lane. We didn't even consider going to Wembley as I couldn't stand and wouldn't want to spend 90 minutes looking at someone else's back.
I have recently spoken to Sheila Maybury (disabled liaison officer) and she has put our minds at rest regarding any possible future trips to Wembley.
that's not right that that you had people standing infront of a supporter who for health reasons has to sit. I was very sure that the majority witton lower would stand In the cup game, the whole of the witton lower stood. I had a felling bout 60% of the lower Holte would stand bout 95% did. Those who spoilt your game should
have either been in the holte or witton or sat down in the trinity.I'm glad someone like sheila Maybury has taken responsibly and done the right thing for you.
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Blocks 545-552 are for those that want to sit and watch the game
Blocks 527-544 for those who want to stand up all game
Block 123 for those that want to keep going out for trays of chips during the game
Blocks 124-143 for those too drunk to find their seat
Block 701 for anyone in a jesters hat
Or we could just have all the short people at the front and the Ormondroyds at the back.
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I think its 100% more enjoyable from a sitting position.
I disagree Aftab - how many goals do you celebrate sitting down?
You are right Paul but until recently I didn't know what was that like at VP! Believe it or not but due to holidays and work the only two games I have seen at VP in Tim's charge have been Stoke and Swansea!
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The referee should not be permitted to allow the game to kick off until everybody is sat down
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Does that include the players?
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If grounds had been all seater from day one of football i doubt we'd all have been clamoring for standing in an area too small for the number of people and where half of you can't see to be introduced. We are sold a myth that standing was a golden era when it was uncomfortable and was just a way of piling it high and selling it cheap. You can make plenty of noise without needing to stand.
Give us the option then.
I agree with this. If Villa Park was split into safe-standing and seated areas, then people who want to stand can and those who want to sit can also. It also prevents tensions between supporters who want different things.
Go safe standing!
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Blocks 545-552 are for those that want to sit and watch the game
Blocks 527-544 for those who want to stand up all game
Block 123 for those that want to keep going out for trays of chips during the game
Blocks 124-143 for those too drunk to find their seat
Block 701 for anyone in a jesters hat
Or we could just have all the short people at the front and the Ormondroyds at the back.
I'm in block 551 so this suits me fine in view of what I said above. Yippee!!
If people want to have safe standing then more power to their elbow, I am more than happy for it to be an option. It is just that I do not personally feel nostalgic for things like being in the away end at Valley Parade and not being able to see the goal nearest us (and I am 5 foot 11, I'm not really short) or at The Baseball Ground and being so packed in that you couldn't move.
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If grounds had been all seater from day one of football I doubt we'd all have been clamouring for standing in an area too small for the number of people and where half of you can't see to be introduced. We are sold a myth that standing was a golden era when it was uncomfortable and was just a way of piling it high and selling it cheap. You can make plenty of noise without needing to stand.
We wasn't sold any kind of myth at all. Standing was popular because people liked to stand. You could also sit down back then if you wanted to.
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Blocks 545-552 are for those that want to sit and watch the game
Blocks 527-544 for those who want to stand up all game
Block 123 for those that want to keep going out for trays of chips during the game
Blocks 124-143 for those too drunk to find their seat
Block 701 for anyone in a jesters hat
Or we could just have all the short people at the front and the Ormondroyds at the back.
blimey...looking at that table means that in my block I will have to get drunk :)
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The Doc
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Blocks 545-552 are for those that want to sit and watch the game
Blocks 527-544 for those who want to stand up all game
Block 123 for those that want to keep going out for trays of chips during the game
Blocks 124-143 for those too drunk to find their seat
Block 701 for anyone in a jesters hat
Or we could just have all the short people at the front and the Ormondroyds at the back.
blimey...looking at that table means that in my block I will have to get drunk :)
UTV
The Doc
Same here Doc!
Is it compulsory?
I need to show the above evidence to several people so that they understand.
:D
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If grounds had been all seater from day one of football I doubt we'd all have been clamouring for standing in an area too small for the number of people and where half of you can't see to be introduced. We are sold a myth that standing was a golden era when it was uncomfortable and was just a way of piling it high and selling it cheap. You can make plenty of noise without needing to stand.
We wasn't sold any kind of myth at all. Standing was popular because people liked to stand. You could also sit down back then if you wanted to.
Back in the day most of us stood; if you wanted to sit you paid for a seat in the Witton Lane or Trinity.
No one made me stand on The Holte or piled me high - I loved it! And miss it!
It wasn't always the safest perhaps; it's probably less safe standing as we do now at away games.
I would much rather stand.
(I sometimes get "standing seats" at The Swan Theatre, Stratford - £5 - sitting for more than half an hour gives me numb-bum and I start fidgeting)
Safe standing would solve a multitude of such issues.
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Blocks 545-552 are for those that want to sit and watch the game
Blocks 527-544 for those who want to stand up all game
Block 123 for those that want to keep going out for trays of chips during the game
Blocks 124-143 for those too drunk to find their seat
Block 701 for anyone in a jesters hat
Or we could just have all the short people at the front and the Ormondroyds at the back.
blimey...looking at that table means that in my block I will have to get drunk :)
UTV
The Doc
Same here Doc!
Is it compulsory?
I need to show the above evidence to several people so that they understand.
:D
not sure if it is compulsory Frank, but to be on the safe side better start Semi-Final day by putting Gin on my cornflakes :)
UTV
The Doc
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Blocks 545-552 are for those that want to sit and watch the game
Blocks 527-544 for those who want to stand up all game
Block 123 for those that want to keep going out for trays of chips during the game
Blocks 124-143 for those too drunk to find their seat
Block 701 for anyone in a jesters hat
Or we could just have all the short people at the front and the Ormondroyds at the back.
blimey...looking at that table means that in my block I will have to get drunk :)
UTV
The Doc
Same here Doc!
Is it compulsory?
I need to show the above evidence to several people so that they understand.
:D
not sure if it is compulsory Frank, but to be on the safe side better start Semi-Finak day by putting Gin on my cornflakes :)
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The Doc
You can drink out of a jesters hat (ideally half and half) in block 701
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Will there be a special section for Liverpool fans wearing "Steven Gerrard / The Second Messiah" half-and-half scarves ?
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Will there be a special section for Liverpool fans wearing "Steven Gerrard / The Second Messiah" half-and-half scarves ?
Yes, with a high wall to one side and a firing squad opposite.
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I've just had my tickets through.. I'm that far back I'm in Old Wembley so I'll have to stand.. sorry.
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Blocks 545-552 are for those that want to sit and watch the game
Blocks 527-544 for those who want to stand up all game
Block 123 for those that want to keep going out for trays of chips during the game
Blocks 124-143 for those too drunk to find their seat
Block 701 for anyone in a jesters hat
Or we could just have all the short people at the front and the Ormondroyds at the back.
blimey...looking at that table means that in my block I will have to get drunk :)
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The Doc
Same! Oh well, I suppose life does have its snags...
What time shall we start drinking!?
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Seems to me that Football wont allow safe standing areas but does very little about unsafe standing in seated areas.
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I will be doing a combination of standing up, and sitting down during various moments in the game whilst being courteous and polite to the people that sit next to me.
At home games, I tend to perch on top of my seat without folding it down.
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I will be standing.
Unless someone asks me to sit down.
No-one at away games over the last few years has ever asked me to, except stewards of course, in which case I always sit down.
Then stand up again when they've moved on...advice given by someone who knows about these things.
Refusing to sit is what causes the problems and reports and reduction in ticket allocation...apparently.
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I was in row B at St Jame's Park, which as they don't sell tickets in row A, means I was at the front. I went to sit down at first until I was satisfied that the folks behind me in row C were going to stand and was then able to stand up, with 2599 others, for the rest of the game.
The only away ground I can recall us sitting down at is Stamford Bridge upstairs in the lower section of the two.
Its been like that for years.
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I was in row B at St Jame's Park, which as they don't sell tickets in row A, means I was at the front. I went to sit down at first until I was satisfied that the folks behind me in row C were going to stand and was then able to stand up, with 2599 others, for the rest of the game.
The only away ground I can recall us sitting down at is Stamford Bridge upstairs in the lower section of the two.
Its been like that for years.
It's the only way I've ever known it. In the 25 years I've been going away, I can't ever remember sitting down at an away match.
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Block 536 is now seated if you wish to swap it with another block.
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It's almost obligatory to stand up ... all game !
Organizing a 'sit down ' / 'stand up area ' would be impossible anyway given that Villa are selling on a block by block basis rather than 'choose your seat sir / madam ' ...
UTV
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Blocks 545-552 are for those that want to sit and watch the game
Blocks 527-544 for those who want to stand up all game
Block 123 for those that want to keep going out for trays of chips during the game
Blocks 124-143 for those too drunk to find their seat
Block 701 for anyone in a jesters hat
Or we could just have all the short people at the front and the Ormondroyds at the back.
blimey...looking at that table means that in my block I will have to get drunk :)
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The Doc
Same! Oh well, I suppose life does have its snags...
What time shall we start drinking!?
I'm 129 and shall be starting tonight
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Will there be separate "with curry sauce" and "without curry sauce" sections within Block 123?
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"Sit down, so I can watch the game..."
me too, i've got a bad back
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I'm taking bookings for face painting.
Child is £5.00 if you book in advance, £7.50 on the day.
Adult £500.00 (includes free jester hat) and ridicule.
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I'm taking bookings for face painting.
Child is £5.00 if you book in advance, £7.50 on the day.
Adult £500.00 (includes free jester hat) and ridicule.
I can get ridicule any day of the week for free just by stepping out of my front door. Why would I pay £500 for it?
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I'm taking bookings for face painting.
Child is £5.00 if you book in advance, £7.50 on the day.
Adult £500.00 (includes free jester hat) and ridicule.
I can get ridicule any day of the week for free just by stepping out of my front door. Why would I pay £500 for it?
I'm trying to deter any adults even considering getting their faces painted.
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I'm taking bookings for face painting.
Child is £5.00 if you book in advance, £7.50 on the day.
Adult £500.00 (includes free jester hat) and ridicule.
I can get ridicule any day of the week for free just by stepping out of my front door. Why would I pay £500 for it?
I'm trying to deter any adults even considering getting their faces painted.
There ought to be a law against it.
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I'm taking bookings for face painting.
Child is £5.00 if you book in advance, £7.50 on the day.
Adult £500.00 (includes free jester hat) and ridicule.
I can get ridicule any day of the week for free just by stepping out of my front door. Why would I pay £500 for it?
you need to step out of your front door for ridicule? I don't need to go that far :-)
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I'm taking bookings for face painting.
Child is £5.00 if you book in advance, £7.50 on the day.
Adult £500.00 (includes free jester hat) and ridicule.
I can get ridicule any day of the week for free just by stepping out of my front door. Why would I pay £500 for it?
you need to step out of your front door for ridicule? I don't need to go that far :-)
I get pity rather than ridicule from the missus, and the bunnies can't talk. Although I am sure I have heard the ducks in the park laughing at me in the past.
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I've booked you both in, special H&V discount, £250.00 each and a free download of the fanzine. See Dave, good luck.
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I don't care if I'm sat in front of David Cameron and prince William I'm standing up all game this is a f.a.cup semi and if I have to kick the queens corgi I will do.
9am- all bar one Canary wharf full English brekie
9-01 rum and coke
2-30 rum and coke
Fill in the blanks
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This should be on the "Hi..." thread as a perennial H&V discussion
I'm not going back there as I seem to have confused people ;-)
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if every one is sitting down and we have an attac
i bet i am sitting behind the 1st person to stand up
and the last one to sit down
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Seems to me that Football wont allow safe standing areas but does very little about unsafe standing in seated areas.
Very good point.
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I don't care if I'm sat in front of David Cameron and prince William I'm standing up all game this is a f.a.cup semi and if I have to kick the queens corgi I will do.
9am- all bar one Canary wharf full English brekie
9-01 rum and coke
TWAT
2-30 rum and coke
Fill in the blanks
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What's unsafe about standing at the moment? Will bringing in German style terraces alter the gravity at football grounds? Should I be concerned about doing that activity that I have grasped since I was a baby at White Hart Lane today? Are my bones like to buckle and ligaments rupture for an inexplicable reason? I am standing right now, should I be afraid of injuring myself?
Standing has never been unsafe.
Police, government and clubs treating fans like shit is pretty dangerous mind.
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I remember the 6.0 drubbing at Forest a long while ago when we all stood in the seats and the poice would randomly eject people. Quite a ridiculous situation.
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Let that be a lesson, they were stood up when they posted the original post.
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Villa are one of the most relaxed bout standing. The stewards in the witton lower are managing things very well.standing areas at villa have been established we have holte lower l8, lower witton, k3/4 upper holte.
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You may have sceen the posters on twitter, which are promoting "top tier villains /holte enders in the sky"for the wembley semi final. An atmosphere similar from the 1978 world finals will attempted to be created In the upper tier. This of course can only be achieved by standing. I also feel this attempt to create such an atmosphere in the upper tier is similar to pre arranged organised standing for the upper tier.
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Is anyone on twitter sorting out the toilet rota too?
How on earth did we manage to create such a cracking atmosphere at the finals in 71, 75 & 77 without social media or the Wembley DJ planning our prematch singing for us.
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The toilets at old Wembley were grim. You needed arm bands it would flood so badly.
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I remember some Villa fans using wash basins as urinals in 2010. Disgusting fuckers.
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What's unsafe about standing at the moment? Will bringing in German style terraces alter the gravity at football grounds? Should I be concerned about doing that activity that I have grasped since I was a baby at White Hart Lane today? Are my bones like to buckle and ligaments rupture for an inexplicable reason? I am standing right now, should I be afraid of injuring myself?
Standing has never been unsafe.
Police, government and clubs treating fans like shit is pretty dangerous mind.
Standing, on its own, or within a crowd, isn't a problem.
Standing with the back of a seat half way up your shins is not safe or pain-free, especially when that twat Lowton scores a screamer at Stoke and 2,000 Villa fans behind you surge forward, even in their seated areas, and put the feeling of exhuberance on my shins is when the problem emerges.
I stand every game, but it's not safe.
A safe-standing arrangement, like they have in Germany, would solve all of the safety issues, and having spoken to police and stewards, would solve lots of their issues too.
It's a no-brainer really...why the clubs/PL are so against it is somewhat complex and emotional...the Hillsborough thing doesn't help, but if all PL clubs could move forward on it problems would be sorted very quickly/easily.
I have little idea wtf Witton End is talking about, but I will be standing, as I have done at every away game this season, and singing my lungs out for The Villa - nobody needs to organise me, thanks, whatever tier I'm sitting/standing in - unless it's a big problem for those behind me. I will be breaking rules etc but I hate sitting...but I'd rather be standing SAFELY.
As I would like all of us to do who want to, and those who want to sit happily should be able to do so too.
One day we'll look back and think....
Come on you Lions!
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Is anyone on twitter sorting out the toilet rota too?
How on earth did we manage to create such a cracking atmosphere at the finals in 71, 75 & 77 without social media or the Wembley DJ planning our prematch singing for us.
there was atmosphere at those games cos there was standing areas.
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Personally, I don't think standing has anything to do with the atmosphere. More to do with the seats coinciding with a sharp increase in ticket prices and changing the demographic of those that attend games now compare with decades gone by.
As I said, I hope that my 11 year old nephew who is currently nursing a broken arm doesn't have his big day spoiled by people who cannot abide by the rules.
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Personally, I don't think standing has anything to do with the atmosphere. More to do with the seats coinciding with a sharp increase in ticket prices and changing the demographic of those that attend games now compare with decades gone by.
As I said, I hope that my 11 year old nephew who is currently nursing a broken arm doesn't have his big day spoiled by people who cannot abide by the rules.
I don't want your nephews or anyone's day spoilt. With the circumstances of your nephew a seat at the front or on the side is the better choice, and when purchasing tickets these choice were available.
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Personally, I don't think standing has anything to do with the atmosphere. More to do with the seats coinciding with a sharp increase in ticket prices and changing the demographic of those that attend games now compare with decades gone by.
spot on mate........nothing to do with seats at all its the fans who make the atmosphere
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Personally, I don't think standing has anything to do with the atmosphere. More to do with the seats coinciding with a sharp increase in ticket prices and changing the demographic of those that attend games now compare with decades gone by.
As I said, I hope that my 11 year old nephew who is currently nursing a broken arm doesn't have his big day spoiled by people who cannot abide by the rules.
It's the risk you take lee.
If somebody in a football crowd bumps into him it's hardly their fault!
When we scored on Saturday the complete stranger next to me screamed, hugged and danced with me for about 3 minutes- he didn't ask if I'd got a broken arm.
Nature of the beast mate.
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Is anyone on twitter sorting out the toilet rota too?
How on earth did we manage to create such a cracking atmosphere at the finals in 71, 75 & 77 without social media or the Wembley DJ planning our prematch singing for us.
there was atmosphere at those games cos there was standing areas.
That can't be the reason, people stood up down the Blues as well!
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Dr Robotnik doesn't have these problems. Bloke gets a cracking view floating where he wants.
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What's unsafe about standing at the moment? Will bringing in German style terraces alter the gravity at football grounds? Should I be concerned about doing that activity that I have grasped since I was a baby at White Hart Lane today? Are my bones like to buckle and ligaments rupture for an inexplicable reason? I am standing right now, should I be afraid of injuring myself?
Standing has never been unsafe.
Police, government and clubs treating fans like shit is pretty dangerous mind.
Standing, on its own, or within a crowd, isn't a problem.
Standing with the back of a seat half way up your shins is not safe or pain-free, especially when that twat Lowton scores a screamer at Stoke and 2,000 Villa fans behind you surge forward, even in their seated areas, and put the feeling of exhuberance on my shins is when the problem emerges.
I stand every game, but it's not safe.
A safe-standing arrangement, like they have in Germany, would solve all of the safety issues, and having spoken to police and stewards, would solve lots of their issues too.
It's a no-brainer really...why the clubs/PL are so against it is somewhat complex and emotional...the Hillsborough thing doesn't help, but if all PL clubs could move forward on it problems would be sorted very quickly/easily.
I have little idea wtf Witton End is talking about, but I will be standing, as I have done at every away game this season, and singing my lungs out for The Villa - nobody needs to organise me, thanks, whatever tier I'm sitting/standing in - unless it's a big problem for those behind me. I will be breaking rules etc but I hate sitting...but I'd rather be standing SAFELY.
As I would like all of us to do who want to, and those who want to sit happily should be able to do so too.
One day we'll look back and think....
Come on you Lions!
standing needs to be pre arranged to avoid clashing with sitters
. Just follow current trends behind the goals lower tier standing and upper tier round the back and middle tier behind the goal. Sitting those on the side upper n lower tier.
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Standing can't be pre-arranged because it's against the H & S laws!
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What's the plan then?
Has Witton End arranged for a meet up of all 32,000 to arrange ourselves into sitting and standing sections? I appear to be in one of his designated standing areas but would prefer to sit as I'll be knackered and have my 12 year old son with me. Perhaps organise a swap shop, we've got 48 hours to sort it, shouldn't be a problem.
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It's an away game, stand up. It won't feel like 90 minutes anyway, it never does at Wembley.
It will feel like several days if we take the lead....
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What's the plan then?
Has Witton End arranged for a meet up of all 32,000 to arrange ourselves into sitting and standing sections? I appear to be in one of his designated standing areas but would prefer to sit as I'll be knackered and have my 12 year old son with me. Perhaps organise a swap shop, we've got 48 hours to sort it, shouldn't be a problem.
at villa park do watch the game from north stand lower R1-R3, upper holte k2-4 on the back 6 rows? Or what bout the singing section L8? No cos they are established and pre arranged standing areas. When buying tickets for wembley you should use your common sense and people on the side will sit so we will get tickets there.
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What's the plan then?
Has Witton End arranged for a meet up of all 32,000 to arrange ourselves into sitting and standing sections? I appear to be in one of his designated standing areas but would prefer to sit as I'll be knackered and have my 12 year old son with me. Perhaps organise a swap shop, we've got 48 hours to sort it, shouldn't be a problem.
at villa park do watch the game from north stand lower R1-R3, upper holte k2-4 on the back 6 rows? Or what bout the signing section L8? No cos they are established and pre arranged standing areas. When buying tickets for wembley you should use your common sense and people on the side will sit so we will get tickets there.
Great to see the hearing impaired catered for at Villa Park.
Anyway, I think your post is bollocks. I would estimate an absolute maximum of 3 or 4 thousand people spend the entire match standing at Villa Park in crowds that are probably similar to our Wembley allocation so by that rationale, we should have maybe three or four sections designated for them while everyone else can watch the match in comfort. I know I should know better than to take your trollbait but really, it's an ill considered point you are making. Badly.
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You can't really do that at any away game, and especially not at a place like Wembley, because no-one knows who is sitting/standing where. Having a regular seat at VP means you can make a choice because you know what those around you do on a regular basis...you can't really do that anywhere else. As I said earlier, I have been to every away game this season and stood - no-one has asked me to sit, except the odd steward.
I tried to be specific about where I wanted to sit when I booked Wembley tickets for my mate, his disabled daughter and myself...the operator told me she could not tell me where I would be sitting...and I know of at least 2/3 others on here who were also told similar.
It just doesn't work mate.
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What's the plan then?
Has Witton End arranged for a meet up of all 32,000 to arrange ourselves into sitting and standing sections? I appear to be in one of his designated standing areas but would prefer to sit as I'll be knackered and have my 12 year old son with me. Perhaps organise a swap shop, we've got 48 hours to sort it, shouldn't be a problem.
at villa park do watch the game from north stand lower R1-R3, upper holte k2-4 on the back 6 rows? Or what bout the singing section L8? No cos they are established and pre arranged standing areas. When buying tickets for wembley you should use your common sense and people on the side will sit so we will get tickets there.
Do you bother to read what you have just written before posting? I don't have a clue what youre talking about half the time and the rest of the time it's, with respect, absolute bollocks.
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You can't really do that at any away game, and especially not at a place like Wembley, because no-one knows who is sitting/standing where. Having a regular seat at VP means you can make a choice because you know what those around you do on a regular basis...you can't really do that anywhere else. As I said earlier, I have been to every away game this season and stood - no-one has asked me to sit, except the odd steward.
In previous seasons there's been announcements at away games that people should sit down and sometimes attempts by the stewards to get people to sit.
This season, nothing. Not even a token attempt.
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In a conversation with someone from the club they said they encourage people who don't want to stand to get tickets at the front or upper tiers for away games.
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It's an away game, stand up. It won't feel like 90 minutes anyway, it never does at Wembley.
It will feel like several days if we take the lead....
Since we are playing one of the Sky 4, the referee will ensure it IS several days if we take the lead...
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In a conversation with someone from the club they said they encourage people who don't want to stand to get tickets at the front or upper tiers for away games.
I have never been given a choice of seat location getting away tickets and can't imagine the club is really giving out this advice so I call I'm calling bullshit.
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To be fair whenever I buy tickets from Villa they always ask if I'll be sitting or standing at the match and advise where to sit/stand.
*sideways glance to the camera*
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In a conversation with someone from the club they said they encourage people who don't want to stand to get tickets at the front or upper tiers for away games.
I have never been given a choice of seat location getting away tickets and can't imagine the club is really giving out this advice so I call I'm calling bullshit.
of course it's bull....I go to quite a few away games and I have never been asked that question.
*puts chin on hand* in a David Brent stylee*
UTV
The Doc
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In a conversation with someone from the club they said they encourage people who don't want to stand to get tickets at the front or upper tiers for away games.
I have never been given a choice of seat location getting away tickets and can't imagine the club is really giving out this advice so I call I'm calling bullshit.
lee preece told me when villa were keen to trail safe standing in one section of the lower Holte. he said some of the sitters and standers had stopped going to away games as they weren't able sit or stand depending on their choice, he agreed they should be segregated
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In a conversation with someone from the club they said they encourage people who don't want to stand to get tickets at the front or upper tiers for away games.
I have never been given a choice of seat location getting away tickets and can't imagine the club is really giving out this advice so I call I'm calling bullshit.
I suspect the might of The Huddersfield Choral Society are behind you in all their polyphonic glory.
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In a conversation with someone from the club they said they encourage people who don't want to stand to get tickets at the front or upper tiers for away games.
I have never been given a choice of seat location getting away tickets and can't imagine the club is really giving out this advice so I call I'm calling bullshit.
lee preece told me when villa were keen to trail safe standing in one section of the lower Holte. he said some of the sitters and standers had stopped going to away games as they weren't able sit or stand depending on their choice, he agreed they should be segregated
Lee was probably stretching a point. He was brilliant in his support for the safe standing surveys that amfy and I did at VP.
(I don't know anyone who has stopped going to away games because they can't stand/sit.)
But...there's no way anyone in the ticket office is going to give advice about where to stand...standing is not allowed...yes, we know we all do it and get away with it, but it's still illegal and we can be ejected for doing it. The staff selling tickets are not going to tell you the best place to stand...because no one is allowed to stand!
The end.
See you at Wembley WE...I hope we have a bloody wonderful day...and that when I'm not standing I'll be dancing!
UTV!
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It is total common sense for away matches to sell tickets starting from the front row to people who want to sit, and starting at the back row for people who want to stand (except Chelsea where you can't see when you stand up in the back row)
Some clubs quietly do this, but despite agreeing that it is common sense, Villa isn't one of them. it's not allowed.
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Was watching arsenal v reading.I noticed arsenal followed their home trend for standing. Standers behind the goal and a few hundred on the side. May have been pre arranged may not but it's a coincidence that it's the same pattern of standing at their home games and at Wembley.
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Have you got your clipboard ready for tomorrow, are we all meeting on Wembley Way to sort our sitting / standing areas?
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Was watching arsenal v reading.I noticed arsenal followed their home trend for standing. Standers behind the goal and a few hundred on the side. May have been pre arranged may not but it's a coincidence that it's the same pattern of standing at their home games and at Wembley.
Oh, come on, what utter nonsense.
How on earth would that have been pre-arranged?
There are a lot of us - me included - on here who think standing should be brought back, but I read stuff like that - which is palpable nonsense, as is the other guff about people getting a choice in some way about where their tickets are for away matches - and it almost makes me want to switch sides.
If you are going to make any argument one way or the other about standing and you base it on a belief that the two "sides" here - those who want to stand (or can stand) and those who don't (or can not) - are operating from an equal basis, then you're way, way off course.
Those standing are doing something "wrong". Those who want to sit are not.
Just because we don't have any system whereby standing is allowed, when we should do, doesn't mean that the "right" of people to stand is comparable to the situation of those who do not - because it isn't.
It isn't right that people cant choose to go to a standing area at football matches if that is what they want, but if you're able to feel good about yourself standing up tomorrow at Wembley when some six year old sat behind you can't see a thing as a result, then good for you but don't pretend you're not in the wrong.
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In a conversation with someone from the club they said they encourage people who don't want to stand to get tickets at the front or upper tiers for away games.
I have never been given a choice of seat location getting away tickets and can't imagine the club is really giving out this advice so I call I'm calling bullshit.
lee preece told me when villa were keen to trail safe standing in one section of the lower Holte. he said some of the sitters and standers had stopped going to away games as they weren't able sit or stand depending on their choice, he agreed they should be segregated
Lee was probably stretching a point. He was brilliant in his support for the safe standing surveys that amfy and I did at VP.
(I don't know anyone who has stopped going to away games because they can't stand/sit.)
But...there's no way anyone in the ticket office is going to give advice about where to stand...standing is not allowed...yes, we know we all do it and get away with it, but it's still illegal and we can be ejected for doing it. The staff selling tickets are not going to tell you the best place to stand...because no one is allowed to stand!
The end.
See you at Wembley WE...I hope we have a bloody wonderful day...and that when I'm not standing I'll be dancing!
UTV!
I know you don't know us, but Top Cat and I don't go to away games any more because she physically can't stand.
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Not sure what your experience was but I was in 538. I was standing, never once sat on my seat nor did anyone round me.Being in an upper central stand, my observations would say 65% of villa fans persistently stood through out the 90 mins. How was your day?
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Not sure what your experience was but I was in 538. I was standing, never once sat on my seat nor did anyone round me.Being in an upper central stand, my observations would say 65% of villa fans persistently stood through out the 90 mins. How was your day?
My day was great, only slightly tempered by the fact that a foot injury that means I can't stand for 45 minutes at a time meant I had to sit down for a while on a few occasions and missed bits of the match because of the people standing in front of me, thanks for asking.
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We were up in 533...everyone standing around us, checked to make sure the ladies behind us were ok with standing, then about 10 minutes in they politely asked us to sit down as a young lad (about 4 or 5 years old) sat behind them couldn't see. We obliged with no fuss, and only stood when the action on the pitch dictated it. Show respect to your fellow fans around you and there are no problems sitting or standing.
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I was in 548. row 18 - Everyone in front of me was standing so I had little choice, either stand and see or sit and don't see. I mention that because I have a knee with quite nasty arthritis in it...so I stood, I sang, I shed a tear at winning. Oh, and I loved every minute of it ;D
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I couldn't see a fat lot whether I was stood or seated, I watched most of it on the screen.
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I didn't even flip my seat over once, no need to.
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There were quite a few kids sat around me, and for that reason most of the people were sat down, apart from two idiots who when politely asked numerous times to sit down by the fathers of the kids point blank refused. I had a fine few, but felt sorry for the kids who couldn't see a thing. Considering they were loving standing so much, they could have returned back from half time on time, instead they were ten minutes late. Very odd.
I don't mind standing, or sitting, but I sit in the trinity for home games and wouldn't dream of standing for the whole match due to the people around me. Of course you stand when a bit of action occurs, as does everyone else.
Saying that last time I was at Wembley in 2010 I stood both times, but that was once again dictated by those around me. My preference is to sit for most of the match.
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I saw a phenomenon yesterday I feel is going to be more prevalent in future years.Standing, singing , having a jolly old time right at the back 536.
The group in front seemed animated at some things happening on the pitch but were not kind of involved with the villa momentum if you get my drift
Anyways, it twigged-they were in-play
betting the whole match , often times not even watching the pitch.
It nearly kicked off after I said something but being on my tod I held back.Wankers.
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I didn't even flip my seat over once, no need to.
You don't get it, do you?
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Sat in block 130 and had no choice but stand, which wasn't a major problem. My 15 year old is fine and loves standing, but my 9 year old has to stand on his chair, which he was fine with until we scored the 2nd and a massive bloke behind fell forward and knocked him off.... the guy apologised and was genuinely sorry, but don't tell me its all wonderful and nobody gets hurt because they do, its happened at the villas as well when hes stood too far back on his chair and his leg has gone down the back as the seat flipped up. The few away games hes done, I have asked the ticket office for better placement as I understand and accept that people stand, but it makes no real difference, you just hope you get some considerate people around you...Glad to say 90% of the time you do. But when you spend close on £100 on 3 tickets and a tank of petrol, because your kids love the villa, and they can't see anything but the back of drunk guy shouting abuse at his own players for most of the game it makes you think about not going away from home. Anyway nothing spoiled his day yesterday not even his cut legs.
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I was in block 135 (I think) yesterday, and everybody stood throughout. I personally quite like to stand, but there was an elderly guy with a walking stick directly behind me who was clearly struggling to remain standing. To cap it off he had a youngster with him who probably didn't see much of the game either.
I thought about offering to switch with them, but of course it would have been no different in our seats. They left before the end, so I hope it didn't spoil their day.
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Sat in block 130 and had no choice but stand, which wasn't a major problem. My 15 year old is fine and loves standing, but my 9 year old has to stand on his chair, which he was fine with until we scored the 2nd and a massive bloke behind fell forward and knocked him off.... the guy apologised and was genuinely sorry, but don't tell me its all wonderful and nobody gets hurt because they do, its happened at the villas as well when hes stood too far back on his chair and his leg has gone down the back as the seat flipped up. The few away games hes done, I have asked the ticket office for better placement as I understand and accept that people stand, but it makes no real difference, you just hope you get some considerate people around you...Glad to say 90% of the time you do. But when you spend close on £100 on 3 tickets and a tank of petrol, because your kids love the villa, and they can't see anything but the back of drunk guy shouting abuse at his own players for most of the game it makes you think about not going away from home. Anyway nothing spoiled his day yesterday not even his cut legs.
Whilst I sympathise, standing on a chair is always dangerous, especially when you're only 9.
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Sat in block 130 and had no choice but stand, which wasn't a major problem. My 15 year old is fine and loves standing, but my 9 year old has to stand on his chair, which he was fine with until we scored the 2nd and a massive bloke behind fell forward and knocked him off.... the guy apologised and was genuinely sorry, but don't tell me its all wonderful and nobody gets hurt because they do, its happened at the villas as well when hes stood too far back on his chair and his leg has gone down the back as the seat flipped up. The few away games hes done, I have asked the ticket office for better placement as I understand and accept that people stand, but it makes no real difference, you just hope you get some considerate people around you...Glad to say 90% of the time you do. But when you spend close on £100 on 3 tickets and a tank of petrol, because your kids love the villa, and they can't see anything but the back of drunk guy shouting abuse at his own players for most of the game it makes you think about not going away from home. Anyway nothing spoiled his day yesterday not even his cut legs.
Whilst I sympathise, standing on a chair is always dangerous, especially when you're only 9.
The alternative was he didn't see the match at all. Perhaps if the selfish guys in front hadnt stood throughout and the big guy behind had been able to control himself from falling forward it wouldnt be an issue.
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I didn't even flip my seat over once, no need to.
When you get your cup final ticket, please announce the details on here. That way I can be sure to not get a seat anywhere near you
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Stood all game yesterday, was with my 12 year old who stood on his seat periodically like he has done since I first took him as a 2 year old. I've always held him around the waist when he seat stands to keep him safe, he's obviously getting taller and he's probably a year or so from being able to see without needing to stand on a seat.
It's not ideal but, touch wood, we've never been close to being hurt. Yesterday was pretty barmy when the second went in, but the only injury he was likely to get was deafness when I screamed in his ear.
I think on reflection I'm happy to have the seats around as they act as a bit of a barrier when we score.
The other thing is even at VP when people do sit on occasions he still has to stand to see over sitting people.
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Sat in block 130 and had no choice but stand, which wasn't a major problem. My 15 year old is fine and loves standing, but my 9 year old has to stand on his chair, which he was fine with until we scored the 2nd and a massive bloke behind fell forward and knocked him off.... the guy apologised and was genuinely sorry, but don't tell me its all wonderful and nobody gets hurt because they do, its happened at the villas as well when hes stood too far back on his chair and his leg has gone down the back as the seat flipped up. The few away games hes done, I have asked the ticket office for better placement as I understand and accept that people stand, but it makes no real difference, you just hope you get some considerate people around you...Glad to say 90% of the time you do. But when you spend close on £100 on 3 tickets and a tank of petrol, because your kids love the villa, and they can't see anything but the back of drunk guy shouting abuse at his own players for most of the game it makes you think about not going away from home. Anyway nothing spoiled his day yesterday not even his cut legs.
Whilst I sympathise, standing on a chair is always dangerous, especially when you're only 9.
The alternative was he didn't see the match at all. Perhaps if the selfish guys in front hadnt stood throughout and the big guy behind had been able to control himself from falling forward it wouldnt be an issue.
That's my point, what else are we suppose to do? Stare at the back of the guy in front, I normally do have my arm around his waist for large periods of the game, but if your involved in the game yourself you don't always grab him quick enough. They have both been season ticket holders since the age of 6 and we used to sit in the Trinity to avoid it, but you don't get that choice at some games. I just wanted to put the other view point across, we accept it happens, we still go, but its not as simple as saying its a fantastic experience for everyone.
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I didn't even flip my seat over once, no need to.
i didnt either but my legs were getting tired
so several times i rested my arse on my upright seat especially when liverpool where attacking
but i didnt flip the lid down once
i was sort of resting the cheeks of my arse on the half inch edge of the seat that is normally behind your knees
when you are sitting properly
its a good thing to do really , especially if you are taller than the person behind you
and it is neither standing up or sitting down
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Sat in block 130 and had no choice but stand, which wasn't a major problem. My 15 year old is fine and loves standing, but my 9 year old has to stand on his chair, which he was fine with until we scored the 2nd and a massive bloke behind fell forward and knocked him off.... the guy apologised and was genuinely sorry, but don't tell me its all wonderful and nobody gets hurt because they do, its happened at the villas as well when hes stood too far back on his chair and his leg has gone down the back as the seat flipped up. The few away games hes done, I have asked the ticket office for better placement as I understand and accept that people stand, but it makes no real difference, you just hope you get some considerate people around you...Glad to say 90% of the time you do. But when you spend close on £100 on 3 tickets and a tank of petrol, because your kids love the villa, and they can't see anything but the back of drunk guy shouting abuse at his own players for most of the game it makes you think about not going away from home. Anyway nothing spoiled his day yesterday not even his cut legs.
Whilst I sympathise, standing on a chair is always dangerous, especially when you're only 9.
The alternative was he didn't see the match at all. Perhaps if the selfish guys in front hadnt stood throughout and the big guy behind had been able to control himself from falling forward it wouldnt be an issue.
That's my point, what else are we suppose to do? Stare at the back of the guy in front, I normally do have my arm around his waist for large periods of the game, but if your involved in the game yourself you don't always grab him quick enough. They have both been season ticket holders since the age of 6 and we used to sit in the Trinity to avoid it, but you don't get that choice at some games. I just wanted to put the other view point across, we accept it happens, we still go, but its not as simple as saying its a fantastic experience for everyone.
My point was, if your young lad has fell off his chair and hurt himself when standing on it, then maybe he shouldn't, especially at home. Until he's a bit older, maybe the Trinity or Doug Ellis might be a good place to sit.
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Of course he shouldn't but when you're at a game where everyone is standing and your child cannot see there is no other alternative.
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Of course he shouldn't but when you're at a game where everyone is standing and your child cannot see there is no other alternative.
Exactly. I had Freddy with me. He either had to stand on his chair or (as I was lucky enough to have an aisle seat) on the steps. He loved every second of his day out, though.
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I didn't hear any announcements yesterday about standing or any attempt by the stewards to get people to sit.
I think that the FA have given up trying to enforce the rules. I for one am disappointed with this.
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Yep, we were stood the whole game at the back of 532. I'm fine with it but my 9 yr old sat down a times when he got tired. He still loved it though, even when I grabbed him a smidge tight when we equalised!!
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128 went ape shit when the second went in. What a day!
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Sat in block 130 and had no choice but stand, which wasn't a major problem. My 15 year old is fine and loves standing, but my 9 year old has to stand on his chair, which he was fine with until we scored the 2nd and a massive bloke behind fell forward and knocked him off.... the guy apologised and was genuinely sorry, but don't tell me its all wonderful and nobody gets hurt because they do, its happened at the villas as well when hes stood too far back on his chair and his leg has gone down the back as the seat flipped up. The few away games hes done, I have asked the ticket office for better placement as I understand and accept that people stand, but it makes no real difference, you just hope you get some considerate people around you...Glad to say 90% of the time you do. But when you spend close on £100 on 3 tickets and a tank of petrol, because your kids love the villa, and they can't see anything but the back of drunk guy shouting abuse at his own players for most of the game it makes you think about not going away from home. Anyway nothing spoiled his day yesterday not even his cut legs.
Whilst I sympathise, standing on a chair is always dangerous, especially when you're only 9.
The alternative was he didn't see the match at all. Perhaps if the selfish guys in front hadnt stood throughout and the big guy behind had been able to control himself from falling forward it wouldnt be an issue.
That's my point, what else are we suppose to do? Stare at the back of the guy in front, I normally do have my arm around his waist for large periods of the game, but if your involved in the game yourself you don't always grab him quick enough. They have both been season ticket holders since the age of 6 and we used to sit in the Trinity to avoid it, but you don't get that choice at some games. I just wanted to put the other view point across, we accept it happens, we still go, but its not as simple as saying its a fantastic experience for everyone.
My point was, if your young lad has fell off his chair and hurt himself when standing on it, then maybe he shouldn't, especially at home. Until he's a bit older, maybe the Trinity or Doug Ellis might be a good place to sit.
I started off in the terraced holte end as 5 stone 11 year old many a time over the years there was parts of the pitch I couldn't see. My dad would just hold me up along with the crushing and pushing going on, I was never scared never moaned never once said I want to go to go in the seats. A kid standing on seat being held with the support of his dad or brother or whoever Is safe if well supported just like kids being held up on the terraces . With the introduction of the premiership people have been brain washed and conditioned in to watching a game of football in a fashion on par with spectators watching snooker or tennis.
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Its not so much that but now people who stand and people who sit are now forced to watch together. There is still support for standing as amfy(?) has clearly shown. But there needs to be a bit of respect from those standing if people behind want to sit and not obstruct their view. There have always been seating at football games so its not something that is a recent phenomenon but what is is the lack of standing areas in top flight games. if people want to stand fine, but some don't. That's their choice and that should be respected.
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I would suggest that the changes to stadiums were made following tragedies like Bradford and Hillsborough.
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Its not so much that but now people who stand and people who sit are now forced to watch together. There is still support for standing as amfy(?) has clearly shown. But there needs to be a bit of respect from those standing if people behind want to sit and not obstruct their view. There have always been seating at football games so its not something that is a recent phenomenon but what is is the lack of standing areas in top flight games. if people want to stand fine, but some don't. That's their choice and that should be respected.
agree with parts if you say.there was however standing in the old lower trinity especially if we were on tv, the 6-2 eveton, inter Milan 1990, and manure 89 comes to mind.
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I would suggest that the changes to stadiums were made following tragedies like Bradford and Hillsborough.
there were, but Hillsbrough investigations have shown why the tragedy took place a fatal decision by the police. Bradford was nothing to do with standing the fire was in a seated area.
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Pup in front of me seemed to think it was right to support his team whilst being the only one in sight standing. Took offence when asked to sit down. Sarcastic little c*** then kept turning around to ask if it was ok for him to stand up now & support 'his team'. Eventually he went off in a huff.
I've no problem with standing up, when everyone is, but to stand up ignorant of those around you is wrong in every circumstance.
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Reading this I realise that I don't recall if I was standing or sitting!
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I have broken my back in the past, I can't stand for 90 minutes. If Witton wants to make himself known to me in person I will happily "discuss" this with him.
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I have broken my back in the past, I can't stand for 90 minutes. If Witton wants to make himself known to me in person I will happily "discuss" this with him.
why ,,,,,is witton end a chiropractor
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Where my area is in Wembley behind the goal everyone was standing there and it is no good sitting down as you won't see the action. It only work if everyone sit down.
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What this site really needs is a "Standing/Sitting Areas for Final Wembley" thread.
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I would suggest that the changes to stadiums were made following tragedies like Bradford and Hillsborough.
Neither of which were linked to standing.
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What this site really needs is a "Standing/Sitting Areas for Final Wembley" thread.
il be in the lower north as usual for Everton game.il be asking the "r1-r4 persistent standing regulars" where they're planning to get tickets for the final. This will go some way to reducing of standers and sitters get mixed up in wembley stadium.
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What this site really needs is a "Standing/Sitting Areas for Final Wembley" thread.
il be in the lower north as usual for Everton game.il be asking the "r1-r4 persistent standing regulars" where they're planning to get tickets for the final. This will go some way to reducing of standers and sitters get mixed up in wembley stadium.
Have'nt you got anything else to post about? You're starting to bore in all honesty.
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What this site really needs is a "Standing/Sitting Areas for Final Wembley" thread.
il be in the lower north as usual for Everton game.il be asking the "r1-r4 persistent standing regulars" where they're planning to get tickets for the final. This will go some way to reducing of standers and sitters get mixed up in wembley stadium.
Say "Standing" again! Come on, say "Standing" again! I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say "Standing" one more goddamn time!
I had to stand on the train on my way to work this morning. I didn't experience the joy you do in this act. I tried to get the people who were sat down to join me in standing but to no avail. What am I doing wrong?
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What this site really needs is a "Standing/Sitting Areas for Final Wembley" thread.
il be in the lower north as usual for Everton game.il be asking the "r1-r4 persistent standing regulars" where they're planning to get tickets for the final. This will go some way to reducing of standers and sitters get mixed up in wembley stadium.
Just a tip off.
This is getting monumentally boring, and a number of posters have commented to us regarding this.
It needs to stop, so if you could, we'd all be most happy.
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What this site really needs is a "Standing/Sitting Areas for Final Wembley" thread.
il be in the lower north as usual for Everton game.il be asking the "r1-r4 persistent standing regulars" where they're planning to get tickets for the final. This will go some way to reducing of standers and sitters get mixed up in wembley stadium.
Just a tip off.
This is getting monumentally boring, and a number of posters have commented to us regarding this.
It needs to stop, so if you could, we'd all be most happy.
or just sit down for a bit .
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I can't stand this constant banging on about standing, and I stand by Paulie's comments
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I can't stand this constant banging on about standing, and I stand by Paulie's comments
You didn't get where you are today by constantly banging on about standing.
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This thread is more suitable for a local radio phone-in.
I can imagine Franksy or Ed Doolan or whoever works there now: "Call us and let us know whether you prefer sitting or standing, and what did you do on Sunday? And what about those around you, did they stand up… or not? First caller on is Bill, who's an Albion fan…"
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I can't stand this constant banging on about standing, and I stand by Paulie's comments
You didn't get where you are today by constantly banging on about standing.
Lol! At last my user name gets the recognition it deserves :)
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I can't stand this constant banging on about standing, and I stand by Paulie's comments
stop sitting on the fence
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what blocks are standing for the final
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Witton End's play list. I hate both these songs
He hates this song. Really hates it.
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what blocks are standing for the final
None of them, what with it being an all-seater stadium and that.
This is all becoming incredibly tedious, is it not?
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what blocks are standing for the final
None of them, what with it being an all-seater stadium and that.
This is all becoming incredibly tedious, is it not?
I think you failed to spot the tongue in his cheek
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what blocks are standing for the final
None of them, what with it being an all-seater stadium and that.
This is all becoming incredibly tedious, is it not?
I think you failed to spot the tongue in his cheek
Right, sorry.
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what blocks are standing for the final
Please keep this for the official "standing/sitting at the Final" thread which will start in 4 weeks
;-)
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Say "Standing" again! Come on, say "Standing" again! I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say "Standing" one more goddamn time!
I had to stand on the train on my way to work this morning. I didn't experience the joy you do in this act. I tried to get the people who were sat down to join me in standing but to no avail. What am I doing wrong?
Wear a suit and carry a gun. Voila - instant respect!
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what blocks are standing for the final
just follow the trends at the semi final and liaise with those in K-2 k4, l8 singing section and lower north r1-r4.
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what blocks are standing for the final
just follow the trends at the semi final and liaise with those in K-2 k4, l8 singing section and lower north r1-r4.
As it is everybody was stood in our section and thankfully my son could see fine, felt sorry for the elderly guy in front with a walking stick who quite obviously was having problems standing the entire 90 minutes but it was pointed out to him that if he can't be bothered to liase with Witton End like the other 31,999 did, it's clearly his own fault.
It is all rather tedious and you are clearly deluded if you think there is any kind of 'liasing' going on.
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This thread is the icing on the cake for TC and me. She could have maybe managed the steps to get on a coach and, with my help, walked to the stadium but she is physically unable to stand for 90+ minutes and knowing our luck we would be stuck behind people like Witton End. So, with heavy hearts, we've decided to stay at home.
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This thread is the icing on the cake for TC and me. She could have maybe managed the steps to get on a coach and, with my help, walked to the stadium but she is physically unable to stand for 90+ minutes and knowing our luck we would be stuck behind people like Witton End. So, with heavy hearts, we've decided to stay at home.
That would be a terrible shame, I hope selfish pricks like Mr End realise the consequence of their actions but I somehow doubt they ever will. I hope you both have a change of heart and make it to the game.
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This thread is the icing on the cake for TC and me. She could have maybe managed the steps to get on a coach and, with my help, walked to the stadium but she is physically unable to stand for 90+ minutes and knowing our luck we would be stuck behind people like Witton End. So, with heavy hearts, we've decided to stay at home.
I sympathise with you, but these are the problems that are faced when sitters and standers are in the same blocks.it's a. Common sense solution to allocate a standing area for those that want to. They won't so I would advise get a ticket at the front of the upper tier or on the side if want to sit.
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They won't so I would advise get a ticket at the from of the upper tier or on the side if want to sit.
Excellent advice. Make sure you say those exact words to the ticket office.
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They won't so I would advise get a ticket at the from of the upper tier or on the side if want to sit.
Excellent advice. Make sure you say those exact words to the ticket office.
the options were there to buy in the semi final. If a sitter gets a ticket In areas which are likely to be standing then your just making things hard for yourself.
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They won't so I would advise get a ticket at the from of the upper tier or on the side if want to sit.
Excellent advice. Make sure you say those exact words to the ticket office.
the options were there to buy in the semi final. If a sitter gets a ticket In areas which are likely to be standing then your just making things hard for yourself.
This thread is making me lose the will to live. Can someone put me out of my misery please?
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This thread is the icing on the cake for TC and me. She could have maybe managed the steps to get on a coach and, with my help, walked to the stadium but she is physically unable to stand for 90+ minutes and knowing our luck we would be stuck behind people like Witton End. So, with heavy hearts, we've decided to stay at home.
I sympathise with you, but these are the problems that are faced when sitters and standers are in the same blocks.it's a. Common sense solution to allocate a standing area for those that want to. They won't so I would advise get a ticket at the front of the upper tier or on the side if want to sit.
yeah but for the semi when you bought a ticket , it was for a block
they couldnt specify and you couldnt choose
a seat at the front of the block , or the back of the block
i suggest sit down when the opposition are attacking
and stand up when villa are attacking
its worked well in the holte end for years
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They won't so I would advise get a ticket at the from of the upper tier or on the side if want to sit.
Excellent advice. Make sure you say those exact words to the ticket office.
the options were there to buy in the semi final. If a sitter gets a ticket In areas which are likely to be standing then your just making things hard for yourself.
This thread is making me lose the will to live. Can someone put me out of my misery please?
I've put Living End out of his instead.
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They won't so I would advise get a ticket at the from of the upper tier or on the side if want to sit.
Excellent advice. Make sure you say those exact words to the ticket office.
the options were there to buy in the semi final. If a sitter gets a ticket In areas which are likely to be standing then your just making things hard for yourself.
This thread is making me lose the will to live. Can someone put me out of my misery please?
why keep on reading it then?
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They won't so I would advise get a ticket at the from of the upper tier or on the side if want to sit.
Excellent advice. Make sure you say those exact words to the ticket office.
the options were there to buy in the semi final. If a sitter gets a ticket In areas which are likely to be standing then your just making things hard for yourself.
This thread is making me lose the will to live. Can someone put me out of my misery please?
why keep on reading it then?
I have masochistic tendencies.
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They won't so I would advise get a ticket at the from of the upper tier or on the side if want to sit.
Excellent advice. Make sure you say those exact words to the ticket office.
the options were there to buy in the semi final. If a sitter gets a ticket In areas which are likely to be standing then your just making things hard for yourself.
This thread is making me lose the will to live. Can someone put me out of my misery please?
I've put Living End out of his instead.
Excellent work Joe. The worst poster in the history of H&V and I include that bloke who wanted to rain his fists down on Damon in that.
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This thread is the icing on the cake for TC and me. She could have maybe managed the steps to get on a coach and, with my help, walked to the stadium but she is physically unable to stand for 90+ minutes and knowing our luck we would be stuck behind people like Witton End. So, with heavy hearts, we've decided to stay at home.
I sympathise with you, but these are the problems that are faced when sitters and standers are in the same blocks.it's a. Common sense solution to allocate a standing area for those that want to. They won't so I would advise get a ticket at the front of the upper tier or on the side if want to sit.
yeah but for the semi when you bought a ticket , it was for a block
they couldnt specify and you couldnt choose
a seat at the front of the block , or the back of the block
i suggest sit down when the opposition are attacking
and stand up when villa are attacking
its worked well in the holte end for years
women at the ticket off show me a map of the stadium, and said which part of the block do you want, I chose the back one and no one sat .
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This thread is the icing on the cake for TC and me. She could have maybe managed the steps to get on a coach and, with my help, walked to the stadium but she is physically unable to stand for 90+ minutes and knowing our luck we would be stuck behind people like Witton End. So, with heavy hearts, we've decided to stay at home.
I sympathise with you, but these are the problems that are faced when sitters and standers are in the same blocks.it's a. Common sense solution to allocate a standing area for those that want to. They won't so I would advise get a ticket at the front of the upper tier or on the side if want to sit.
yeah but for the semi when you bought a ticket , it was for a block
they couldnt specify and you couldnt choose
a seat at the front of the block , or the back of the block
i suggest sit down when the opposition are attacking
and stand up when villa are attacking
its worked well in the holte end for years
women at the ticket off show me a map of the stadium, and said which part of the block do you want, I chose the back one and no one sat .
what you meant you chose the back block ,,,,,,,,,,not the back row
you couldnt choose your row
if you was back row it was luck and coincidence
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This thread is the icing on the cake for TC and me. She could have maybe managed the steps to get on a coach and, with my help, walked to the stadium but she is physically unable to stand for 90+ minutes and knowing our luck we would be stuck behind people like Witton End. So, with heavy hearts, we've decided to stay at home.
I sympathise with you, but these are the problems that are faced when sitters and standers are in the same blocks.it's a. Common sense solution to allocate a standing area for those that want to. They won't so I would advise get a ticket at the front of the upper tier or on the side if want to sit.
yeah but for the semi when you bought a ticket , it was for a block
they couldnt specify and you couldnt choose
a seat at the front of the block , or the back of the block
i suggest sit down when the opposition are attacking
and stand up when villa are attacking
its worked well in the holte end for years
women at the ticket off show me a map of the stadium, and said which part of the block do you want, I chose the back one and no one sat .
what you meant you chose the back block ,,,,,,,,,,not the back row
you couldnt choose your row
if you was back row it was luck and coincidence
each block I.e 546 and every other one was broken in to the 3 parts, green was back yellow for middle and front one but can't remember the colour. These colours of each block was probly 20-30% of each block. I went for green and was bout 8 rows of the back.
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to be fair we starting to sound like boring old farts. if someone wants to post about standing surely we should sympathise and point in the direction of amfy's campaign?
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This thread is the icing on the cake for TC and me. She could have maybe managed the steps to get on a coach and, with my help, walked to the stadium but she is physically unable to stand for 90+ minutes and knowing our luck we would be stuck behind people like Witton End. So, with heavy hearts, we've decided to stay at home.
That would be a terrible shame, I hope selfish pricks like Mr End realise the consequence of their actions but I somehow doubt they ever will. I hope you both have a change of heart and make it to the game.
Well said, Chris; I'm sure that SOTC and TC realise, as longstanding fellow posters on here, that Witton End is in the minority and seems to have far too much time on his hands. It would great if SOTC and TC could somehow make it to Wembley for the Final and be accommodated at the front where they can both sit, and see.
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This thread is the icing on the cake for TC and me. She could have maybe managed the steps to get on a coach and, with my help, walked to the stadium but she is physically unable to stand for 90+ minutes and knowing our luck we would be stuck behind people like Witton End. So, with heavy hearts, we've decided to stay at home.
That would be a terrible shame, I hope selfish pricks like Mr End realise the consequence of their actions but I somehow doubt they ever will. I hope you both have a change of heart and make it to the game.
It would great if SOTC and TC could somehow make it to Wembley for the Final and be accommodated at the front where they can both sit, and see.
I totally agree and have said from the start that we should segregate ourselves as much and where possible so we don't spoil the match for each other.
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This thread is the icing on the cake for TC and me. She could have maybe managed the steps to get on a coach and, with my help, walked to the stadium but she is physically unable to stand for 90+ minutes and knowing our luck we would be stuck behind people like Witton End. So, with heavy hearts, we've decided to stay at home.
That would be a terrible shame, I hope selfish pricks like Mr End realise the consequence of their actions but I somehow doubt they ever will. I hope you both have a change of heart and make it to the game.
It would great if SOTC and TC could somehow make it to Wembley for the Final and be accommodated at the front where they can both sit, and see.
I totally agree and have said from the start that we should segregate ourselves as much and where possible so we don't spoil the match for each other.
I'm sorry but you're talking gibberish. How do you you expect 32,000 people to segregate themselves?
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Thanks for all your kind comments everyone.
Witton End, I hope that you never find yourself in my position but if you do, maybe then you'd understand how completely selfish you're coming across.
We won't be going to the Cup Final even though I have said SOTC should go , she has said that she won't go without me.
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Thanks for all your kind comments everyone.
Witton End, I hope that you never find yourself in my position but if you do, maybe then you'd understand how completely selfish you're coming across.
We won't be going to the Cup Final even though I have said SOTC should go , she has said that she won't go without me.
I'm not being selfish as by separating you from standing supporter's means you would be sitting. If I was surrounded by supporters sitting then I would conform and sit no questions asked, but I never need to as I choose my tickets carefully and I am always with the standers.
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Thanks for all your kind comments everyone.
Witton End, I hope that you never find yourself in my position but if you do, maybe then you'd understand how completely selfish you're coming across.
We won't be going to the Cup Final even though I have said SOTC should go , she has said that she won't go without me.
I'm not being selfish as by separating you from standing supporter's means you would be sitting. If I was surrounded by supporters sitting then I would conform and sit no questions asked, but I never need to as I choose my tickets carefully and I am always with the standers.
Do you always talk such bollocks or is it something you reserve for us?
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I was sat behind two old guys (brothers) on the coach back from the Swansea home game. They must've been going for 50 odd years and remembered us winning the 57 final. They've been season ticket holders since god's dog was a puppy. They were saying they couldn't go to the semi because in 2010 everybody stood up and they just couldn't do it anymore at their age. They also wouldn't go to the final if we got there. Quite sad really. And no I didn't ask for their ref codes before you ask. Someone else did though.
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Thanks for all your kind comments everyone.
Witton End, I hope that you never find yourself in my position but if you do, maybe then you'd understand how completely selfish you're coming across.
We won't be going to the Cup Final even though I have said SOTC should go , she has said that she won't go without me.
I'm not being selfish as by separating you from standing supporter's means you would be sitting. If I was surrounded by supporters sitting then I would conform and sit no questions asked, but I never need to as I choose my tickets carefully and I am always with the standers.
WE, no you're not necessarily being selfish (?) but you are still being totally ridiculous. Sitters/standers CAN'T BE SEPARATED BECAUSE BY LAW THERE IS NO STANDING!!! Please try to understand this really simple concept. Clubs cannot allocate sitting/standing tickets because standing IS NOT ALLOWED! BY LAW! and other stuff!
A co-ordinated safe-standing arrangement - as they have in Germany, and the supporters of this great club of ours has already started to campaign for, led by amfy - would solve the vast majority of the sitting/standing issues raised herein!
Keep up the campaign - contact the club, Lee Preece is 100% behind it. We'll get there eventually but a few dinosaurs need further convincing.
It would also mean an end to such tedious arguments about something that should not need arguing about.
I don't pretend to have any answers to TC and SOTC's specific problem, but I book away tickets for my mate and his disabled daughter and there is an opportunity there to address the issue in a number of ways. Mate's daughter is not totally restricted in her mobility but we have often been seated in row 1/A, right at the front of the seating area and our view is not blocked.
(Irony - she struggles with viewing the game from a low position! And when I asked to NOT be in the lower tier for the semi-final the TO said they couldn't tell us where we'd be! Not even tier, block or anything! We ended up in the Lower tier!!! But at least near the back of it, so view excellent for her. Don't know who you spoke to but you must have been very lucky to have all that attention, feedback and fuss about where you sat/stood!)
I'm very tired now.
UTV!
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It's like Groundhog Day. Does Witton End have a hotline I can call when I'm buying a ticket?
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He's been banned.
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He's been banned.
Excellent. Now to really piss him off, shall we organise a standing section without telling him?
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He's been banned.
Finally we get back on track.
So for Man City away where will the standers be?
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Honestly 'standers' and 'sitters' have begun to not sound like real words to me now. I feel like they're euphemisms for some fiendish sexual act.
Are you a stander or a sitter?
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He's been banned.
Bit harsh?
He's allowed his view on things but I admit to struggling with the absolute shite that he came out with ALL OF THE TIME!
(and thank f**k this is only a website - no offence Dave - and I don't own a gun!)
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Thanks for all your kind comments everyone.
Witton End, I hope that you never find yourself in my position but if you do, maybe then you'd understand how completely selfish you're coming across.
We won't be going to the Cup Final even though I have said SOTC should go , she has said that she won't go without me.
I'm not being selfish as by separating you from standing supporter's means you would be sitting. If I was surrounded by supporters sitting then I would conform and sit no questions asked, but I never need to as I choose my tickets carefully and I am always with the standers.
WE, no you're not necessarily being selfish (?) but you are still being totally ridiculous. Sitters/standers CAN'T BE SEPARATED BECAUSE BY LAW THERE IS NO STANDING!!! Please try to understand this really simple concept. Clubs cannot allocate sitting/standing tickets because standing IS NOT ALLOWED! BY LAW! and other stuff!
I think this is one of the problems with people continuly standing is that it isnt infact against the law to stand only against ground regulations & not an arrestable offence .
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He's been banned.
Bit harsh?
He's allowed his view on things but I admit to struggling with the absolute shite that he came out with ALL OF THE TIME!
I think the fact that one or two posters mentioned to him that he was starting to bore people but carried on anyway is maybe what got him banned.
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Seems harsh although I had started to skip past every laboured post.
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I'm sure he'll be standing up in the Colin Bell Stand on Saturday. The Bell End.
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He'll be stood on a bus boring some poor sod about why he refuses to sit.
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I'm sure he'll be standing up in the Colin Bell Stand on Saturday. The Bell End.
so will everyone else (in the away section)
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Are you a stander or a sitter?
Have i stumbled onto the Shithouse thread?
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Why's he been banned? i think that's harsh.
He raises a point by default. Can the club sell front row tickets in the upper tiers at Wembley for people with genuine physical issues who are unable to stand for long periods? I know we aren't supposed to stand but we do, so arrange the first couple of rows for people who can't. It surely isn't that difficult.
It's a shame that people are missing out.
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Thanks for all your kind comments everyone.
Witton End, I hope that you never find yourself in my position but if you do, maybe then you'd understand how completely selfish you're coming across.
We won't be going to the Cup Final even though I have said SOTC should go , she has said that she won't go without me.
I'm not being selfish as by separating you from standing supporter's means you would be sitting. If I was surrounded by supporters sitting then I would conform and sit no questions asked, but I never need to as I choose my tickets carefully and I am always with the standers.
WE, no you're not necessarily being selfish (?) but you are still being totally ridiculous. Sitters/standers CAN'T BE SEPARATED BECAUSE BY LAW THERE IS NO STANDING!!! Please try to understand this really simple concept. Clubs cannot allocate sitting/standing tickets because standing IS NOT ALLOWED! BY LAW! and other stuff!
I think this is one of the problems with people continuly standing is that it isnt infact against the law to stand only against ground regulations & not an arrestable offence .
But you can be ejected.
The club can have its away allocation of tickets reduced if away fans continually refuse to sit when asked.
Birmingham City Council can close sections of VP on the grounds of health and safety if fans persistently stand in what is meant to be an all-seater stadium for SAFETY reasons.
The powers that be - clubs/councils use the law to allow them to take all of the above actions.
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I feel like I missed all the fun at the weekend, not being at Wembley and all that.
I don't mean the spectacle, goals, victory and subsequent celebrations but the stander/stitter paradox that I may/may not have been involved with.
Can he be unbanned w/c 25th May for those of us that couldn't join in last time?
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It was chaos Nev, 32.000 of us all met up on Wembley Way to sort out who was a stander and who was a sitter and he didn't turn up.
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It was chaos Nev, 32.000 of us all met up on Wembley Way to sort out who was a stander and who was a sitter and he didn't turn up.
The ticket office should of sorted it out the lazy sods.
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It was chaos Nev, 32.000 of us all met up on Wembley Way to sort out who was a stander and who was a sitter and he didn't turn up.
The ticket office should of sorted it out the lazy sods.
My knees have fussed having followed Witton Ends advice.
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It was chaos Nev, 32.000 of us all met up on Wembley Way to sort out who was a stander and who was a sitter and he didn't turn up.
The ticket office should of sorted it out the lazy sods.
My knees have fussed having followed Witton Ends advice.
It would of been like the scene in Airplane 2
'smoking or non smoking sir?'.
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i think witton end should be reinstated
his only crime was trying to make sure that those who were unable to stand for long periods
were still able to see the match
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His crime was that he was young - I guess - and was banging on about something old farts weren't interested in.
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His crime was that he was young - I guess - and was banging on about something old farts weren't interested in.
That's unfair and inaccurate.
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His crime was that he was young - I guess - and was banging on about something old farts weren't interested in.
Yeah, which is why we've banned amfy as well and have told her not to talk about the safe standing initiative. We just don't care about it. Or, in the real world there is probably no club website in the country whose members have done as much to reopen the discussion of standing at football matches.
He was banned because he was asked to tone down his ridiculous mistruths about going to the ticket office and asking for seats in the standing section, and chose not to.
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i think witton end should be reinstated
his only crime was trying to make sure that those who were unable to stand for long periods
were still able to see the match
What, making sure they could see by insisting on his 'right to stand', possibly in front of them?
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Didn't we have one of these in 2010?
I believe the poster was called villa banter. Does anyone of a link to that?
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The most extreme standers remind me of extreme smokers. Perhaps if they weren't so bloody selfish they would get a bit more sympathy from the rest of us.
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The most extreme standers remind me of extreme smokers. Perhaps if they weren't so bloody selfish they would get a bit more sympathy from the rest of us.
yes ,,, in the holte end ,,where you are up and down like a yo yo
i always seem to be sitting behind the first one to stand up
and the last one to sit down
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His crime was that he was young - I guess - and was banging on about something old farts weren't interested in.
Yeah, which is why we've banned amfy as well and have told her not to talk about the safe standing initiative. We just don't care about it. Or, in the real world there is probably no club website in the country whose members have done as much to reopen the discussion of standing at football matches.
He was banned because he was asked to tone down his ridiculous mistruths about going to the ticket office and asking for seats in the standing section, and chose not to.
Really? I thought he was only asked to stop going on about wanting to stand - that he went on about "ridiculous mistruths" didn't seem to illicit anything other than people thinking he was talking nonsense. Still seems harsh to ban somebody for that. As for the amfy thing, I'm sure you'll also remember me saying that if he wants to stand that's fine and he should be directed towards amfy and her campaign.
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Really?
Yes, really.
As for the amfy thing, I'm sure you'll also remember me saying that if he wants to stand that's fine and he should be directed towards amfy and her campaign.
If you honestly think that he was banned because he wanted to talk about standing (as per your original post), why haven't we banned amfy and all the other people who talk about and support standing?
Because clearly it's only the supporting of standing that we have an issue with, not the whole 'being annoying, aggravating our members and ignoring requests to stop it' thing.
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Don't ban me - I promise not to stand in your way, unless the person in front of me is standing up then, sorry what can I do?
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Don't ban me - I promise not to stand in your way, unless the person in front of me is standing up then, sorry what can I do?
When I was a defender and big galoots were backing into me I used to give them a straight-palm open-fingered jab in the kidneys. It generally deterred them. Feel free to try on the Holte ( unless I'm standing in front of you)
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Really?
Yes, really.
As for the amfy thing, I'm sure you'll also remember me saying that if he wants to stand that's fine and he should be directed towards amfy and her campaign.
If you honestly think that he was banned because he wanted to talk about standing (as per your original post), why haven't we banned amfy and all the other people who talk about and support standing?
Because clearly it's only the supporting of standing that we have an issue with, not the whole 'being annoying, aggravating our members and ignoring requests to stop it' thing.
You see, I think you entirely missed my point. He is quite clearly young (I guess) and unlike the vast majority of us has never had the freedom to stand at football matches. We have, we've seen that it's moved on and most people now sit because they have to. In grounds - usually away - it seems the majority stand but there will be people who don't want to or can't for a variety of reasons that have been listed here. Here is a young person who has not seen both sides of the coin and probably doesn't get what we're getting in such a state about his way of trying to fight his 'stand' corner. My point about the old farts thing is that that was how we were coming over to him, to me, when surely what he needed was education? Hence I have also said (twice but ignored and the point missed to you twice saying that amfy should be banned if the issue is about standing) that he should be pointed in the direction of amfy and her campaign.
Given that the organic growth and sustainability of H&V probably needs to get more youngsters on board then surely we should be trying teach them respect towards others through things such as safe standing and the benefits for those that want to stand and those that don't. Just saying 'you're wrong' to somebody who is young doesn't work. Banning him won't change his mind. Asking him to read what amfy has done, is doing, and asking him to get behind it and share amongst his friends will probably - well maybe, hopefully - be another shot in the arm for the campaign.
If he's been banned for breaking site rules then I'm not aware of that. But there again I'm not a mod so I don't read every post and if he has broken site rules then its a pity because he's daft when all he needed to do was read more from amfy.
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If he's been banned for breaking site rules then I'm not aware of that. But there again I'm not a mod so I don't read every post and if he has broken site rules then its a pity because he's daft when all he needed to do was read more from amfy.
I completely agree, it's a pity. But here we are.