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Title: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Vic the Villian on March 08, 2015, 11:28:23 AM
having just read todays SUN newspaper enough is enough I have stuck with the sun for years not because of the bias news articles but because they have had a decent sports news, but today I'm livid Headlines such as CARNAGE !!! is unacceptable I was at the match and I never saw bodies lying all about, they were just trying to stir the crap, also the match report states marc albrighton caused the baggies first chance, my god who writes this without knowing albrighton left us last season. my question is can ANYONE recommend an accurate , truthful, and un-bias newspaper for me to subscribe to
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Des Little on March 08, 2015, 11:30:15 AM
Not the Express and Star
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 08, 2015, 11:32:14 AM
No football supporter should ever buy the Sun.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: villasjf on March 08, 2015, 11:32:57 AM
The I is a good read and good sports coverage.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: hipkiss92 on March 08, 2015, 11:39:03 AM
I normally go with the Times if I'm buying, mostly because Mike Atherton talks so much sense on cricket, but get most stuff online these days so read almost all of them.The Guardian seems fairly sensible when it comes to sport, and have some good column writers.

In terms of news they all have their own agendas to push, so whatever ties in with your own views really.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Taylor on March 08, 2015, 11:53:50 AM
No football supporter should ever buy the Sun.
No human being should ever buy the Sun.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Ian. on March 08, 2015, 12:00:20 PM
No football supporter should ever buy the Sun.
No human being should ever buy the Sun.
Both of the above.

As for question I have no idea, I have not bought a paper for years.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: SashasGrandad on March 08, 2015, 12:03:45 PM
No football supporter should ever buy the Sun.

I wouldn't even use it to wipe my arse! Still remember trip back from Anderlect and seeing what they wrote when we arrived back in Dover.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: newtonsballs on March 08, 2015, 12:04:33 PM
having just read todays SUN newspaper enough is enough I have stuck with the sun for years not because of the bias news articles but because they have had a decent sports news, but today I'm livid Headlines such as CARNAGE !!! is unacceptable I was at the match and I never saw bodies lying all about, they were just trying to stir the crap, also the match report states marc albrighton caused the baggies first chance, my god who writes this without knowing albrighton left us last season. my question is can ANYONE recommend an accurate , truthful, and un-bias newspaper for me to subscribe to


No, is the simple answer. And as far as the Sun is concerned I would only use it as standby toilet paper: I held that view before Hillsborough.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Gregorys Boy on March 08, 2015, 12:05:18 PM
Have to be honest and say that my Mum buys the Sun and we have had many a heated debate over it.  Her reasons is that it is a working class paper (although really it isn't), and that in the past it has done much good with charity work for example.  Also like many people I think she just prefers a light hearted trashy newspaper than a broadsheet.  Fot what its worth she does see many of the same flaws in it as I do :)

Its the Guardian every time for me.  They have a good critical understanding of the game, express their views in a clear and thought provoking way, and are not affraid to think outside the box.  And they do not take themselves too seriously which always helps 8)
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: CT on March 08, 2015, 12:12:50 PM
No football supporter should ever buy the Sun.

This.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: LTA on March 08, 2015, 12:42:44 PM
What have they said?  Not that I'm suprised at suggestions of The Sun getting their facts wrong.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: avfc_1874 on March 08, 2015, 01:56:04 PM
The Sun is horrible.

Found this is a pretty interesting read even though a few things are what I suspected about the media "Link" (http://t.co/ZntjRPvVYp)
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Boz on March 08, 2015, 04:57:14 PM
They all have their own agendas and of course usually inaccurate flashy headlines meant to sell the newspaper
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 08, 2015, 05:01:05 PM
The BBC are just as guilty, Phil McNulty thinks we are now in the dark ages.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 08, 2015, 05:06:07 PM
Nobody buys a newspaper in search of the truth do they?  They buy the one that reflects the views they already hold. 
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 08, 2015, 05:07:33 PM
The BBC are just as guilty, Phil McNulty thinks we are now in the dark ages.
Difficult to argue with this though: "It was to be hoped the sight of seats being thrown on to the pitch, invasions of the playing surface, players running for the cover of the tunnel and police drawing batons on fans had been consigned to the past - sadly this was not the case here and did a disservice to a big FA Cup occasion and another big win for Villa and Sherwood."
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 08, 2015, 05:10:25 PM
The BBC are just as guilty, Phil McNulty thinks we are now in the dark ages.
Difficult to argue with this though: "It was to be hoped the sight of seats being thrown on to the pitch, invasions of the playing surface, players running for the cover of the tunnel and police drawing batons on fans had been consigned to the past - sadly this was not the case here and did a disservice to a big FA Cup occasion and another big win for Villa and Sherwood."

Hardly the dark ages though is it?
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 08, 2015, 05:14:26 PM
The BBC are just as guilty, Phil McNulty thinks we are now in the dark ages.
Difficult to argue with this though: "It was to be hoped the sight of seats being thrown on to the pitch, invasions of the playing surface, players running for the cover of the tunnel and police drawing batons on fans had been consigned to the past - sadly this was not the case here and did a disservice to a big FA Cup occasion and another big win for Villa and Sherwood."

Hardly the dark ages though is it?
The actual quote is "Sadly, this will be a game not simply remembered for a result but also for a brief return to English football's dark ages."
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 08, 2015, 05:17:43 PM
Thanks for clearing that up.  Like I said, however brief, it's hardly the dark ages.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 08, 2015, 05:20:42 PM
Thanks for clearing that up.  Like I said, however brief, it's hardly the dark ages.
Ah well, it's all about opinions isn't it.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 08, 2015, 05:50:35 PM
The BBC are just as guilty, Phil McNulty thinks we are now in the dark ages.
Difficult to argue with this though: "It was to be hoped the sight of seats being thrown on to the pitch, invasions of the playing surface, players running for the cover of the tunnel and police drawing batons on fans had been consigned to the past - sadly this was not the case here and did a disservice to a big FA Cup occasion and another big win for Villa and Sherwood."

I had hoped the lazy, never correct and past it journalists of BBC Football had been consigned to the past. Sadly this is not the case.




Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 08, 2015, 05:54:56 PM
if that would have happened at Bradford yesterday it would have been labelled as the romance of the cup.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: peter w on March 08, 2015, 06:12:21 PM
To be honest its perfect for the media. A story other than villa winning. In reality nothing happened but in villa v albion part 1 there was benteke's penalty. Something was needed in Part 2 for the media to run with. You'll probably find most football fans of a certain age will think the same.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: jcsutv on March 08, 2015, 07:07:57 PM
Man U fans regularly celebrated their goals on the Villa Park pitch. Did the media not see that happen or did they choose to look the other way. I can't understand why anyone wants to go on the pitch myself. Nobs.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: SW9-VILLA on March 08, 2015, 07:29:13 PM
The Telegraph definitely has the best sports coverage out of any of the newspapers. Absolutely no point buying a tabloid for sporting news, they're full of utter rubbish half the time. Even more so around silly season and transfer windows.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 08, 2015, 08:54:03 PM
Nobody buys a newspaper in search of the truth do they?  They buy the one that reflects the views they already hold. 

I am actually the opposite - I almost never buy a paper now ( I get my news online) but when I do I buy the Telegraph. I like to hear views I disagree with to make me think. I started buying it on a Monday when I lived in France 25 years ago as its football coverage was miles better than any other paper. Henry Winter is still one of the better scribes, though sadly covers us rarely these days.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: stevenavfc on March 08, 2015, 09:48:26 PM
The only half decent tabloid would be the '1' but don't expect much about the Villa. By way of an example in Saturdays paper they had articles or news about 3 of the 4 quarter finals ( no prizes for guessing which one they didn't feature) including two that were not even played on that day!
They had Guzan in the predicted line ups. bless.
Still well worth 40 or 50p. I make a point of moving the small stack of 'I's' they carry at my local Tesco Metro and placing them on top of the huge pile of red top shite.
Small victories every day
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 08, 2015, 09:50:15 PM
i is the only one I bother with.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Des Little on March 08, 2015, 09:52:52 PM
if that would have happened at Bradford yesterday it would have been labelled as the romance of the cup.

If that many had invaded the Bradford pitch, they'd have sunk. It's like a potato patch.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 08, 2015, 09:54:50 PM
The Sunday Times report was very balanced today re: the brouhaha.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Vic the Villian on March 08, 2015, 09:57:15 PM
thanks to everyone so I will try the Guardian, The "I" or Telegraph if that don't work I will give up and buy the dandy or the beano at least I can believe in those
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Stu on March 08, 2015, 10:17:28 PM
The Guardian is for yogurt-knitting trots who have substantial property portfolios.

The Telegraph is for toffs that love to hunt and think the working classes need the guiding hand of paternalism.

I don't have any tired stereotypes for the i, although it seems like good value for money.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: PeterWithe on March 08, 2015, 10:26:51 PM
'The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country; the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; the Financial Times is read by people who own the country; the Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country, and the Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.'
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 08, 2015, 10:30:13 PM
I don't have any tired stereotypes for the i, although it seems like good value for money.

IPA drinking hipsters?*

*
I have no idea what the i is. So I decided to just throw out some random crap. Must be a new paper over there?

Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: john2710 on March 08, 2015, 10:30:28 PM
Only the Times or The Independant could be relied to print anything resembling the facts. All other tabloids have their own agenda. More often than not that agenda is to create or sensationalise a story.

The fact that The Sun seems to be able to dictate the political landscape of this country is frightening.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: SW9-VILLA on March 08, 2015, 10:36:04 PM
The Guardian is for yogurt-knitting trots who have substantial property portfolios.

The Telegraph is for toffs that love to hunt and think the working classes need the guiding hand of paternalism.

I don't have any tired stereotypes for the i, although it seems like good value for money.

What has that got to do with their sports coverage? There's no fox hunting section in the Telegraph sports pages either oddly.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 08, 2015, 10:53:23 PM
I like the i but you'll not get any in depth reporting, but definitely the best value for money. 

Each saturday the guardian (v good on a saturday, not just sport) will throw up an article on football which is from a completely different perspective.  A simple example being a Barney Ronay piece on how buying a player should be seen as failure, whereas Sky were celebrating how "the biggest transfer window yet".
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: richard moore on March 08, 2015, 11:01:00 PM
having just read todays SUN newspaper enough is enough I have stuck with the sun for years not because of the bias news articles but because they have had a decent sports news, but today I'm livid Headlines such as CARNAGE !!! is unacceptable I was at the match and I never saw bodies lying all about, they were just trying to stir the crap, also the match report states marc albrighton caused the baggies first chance, my god who writes this without knowing albrighton left us last season. my question is can ANYONE recommend an accurate , truthful, and un-bias newspaper for me to subscribe to


Has this seriously only just dawned on you about the Sun? Know any Liverpool fans?
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Stu on March 08, 2015, 11:04:34 PM
The Guardian is for yogurt-knitting trots who have substantial property portfolios.

The Telegraph is for toffs that love to hunt and think the working classes need the guiding hand of paternalism.

I don't have any tired stereotypes for the i, although it seems like good value for money.

What has that got to do with their sports coverage? There's no fox hunting section in the Telegraph sports pages either oddly.

Jesus. It was a joke for fox sake.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Dave on March 08, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
Each saturday the guardian (v good on a saturday, not just sport) will throw up an article on football which is from a completely different perspective.  A simple example being a Barney Ronay piece on how buying a player should be seen as failure, whereas Sky were celebrating how "the biggest transfer window yet".
The Guardian (for all it's faults) is light years ahead of any other paper that I've read in the quality of its football coverage.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: not3bad on March 08, 2015, 11:35:14 PM
Only the Times or The Independant could be relied to print anything resembling the facts. All other tabloids have their own agenda. More often than not that agenda is to create or sensationalise a story.

The fact that The Sun seems to be able to dictate the political landscape of this country is frightening.

Don't forget though that the Times is also run by Murdoch. And the Independent is run by a Russian oligarch.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Gregorys Boy on March 08, 2015, 11:42:37 PM
Each saturday the guardian (v good on a saturday, not just sport) will throw up an article on football which is from a completely different perspective.  A simple example being a Barney Ronay piece on how buying a player should be seen as failure, whereas Sky were celebrating how "the biggest transfer window yet".
The Guardian (for all it's faults) is light years ahead of any other paper that I've read in the quality of its football coverage.

Well, this except I don't really see many faults in it.

Only the Times or The Independant could be relied to print anything resembling the facts. All other tabloids have their own agenda. More often than not that agenda is to create or sensationalise a story.

The fact that The Sun seems to be able to dictate the political landscape of this country is frightening.

But what is facts?  Isn't that just subjective.  No newspaper can report the total truth its just not possibley.  Besides which all media have an angle or a certain take on things.  And that is no bad thing.  I am prond that we live in a country where the press is given free reign.  There is a difference between reducing stories to crude sterotypes and only looking at something from one prospective and misreporting facts or not telling the truth.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: DeKuip on March 08, 2015, 11:54:48 PM
After some of the utter garbage and lies written and spoken in the media since last night I think I might invade the press box next home match, just to show them the difference between a good natured high-spirited invasion and an ugly one. I could even cause carnage by interrupting their wifi connection.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 08, 2015, 11:56:22 PM
I've spent almost the entirety of this season avoiding the football pages.

Until this week, they could have been filled with cartoons or doodles for all I know.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Gregorys Boy on March 09, 2015, 12:00:15 AM
Think I will stick up for the BEEB a bit on this one.  Because as far as I can tell they have just reported what the scenes were at the match without showing any bias either way.  It is more individual opinon which has tended to tar us with stereotypes and go over board.  And don't forget that Savage added his voice to those who said that really this is no different than when none league fans run onto the pitch to celebrate a big win.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 09, 2015, 12:03:16 AM
The Guardian is for yogurt-knitting trots who have substantial property portfolios.

The Telegraph is for toffs that love to hunt and think the working classes need the guiding hand of paternalism.

I don't have any tired stereotypes for the i, although it seems like good value for money.

What has that got to do with their sports coverage? There's no fox hunting section in the Telegraph sports pages either oddly.

Jesus. It was a joke for fox sake.

Don't doubt yourself Stu - I spotted it!
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: chrisf on March 09, 2015, 08:04:04 AM
Try Henry Winter in the Torygraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11458157/Aston-Villa-crowd-trouble-is-not-a-return-to-the-dark-ages.html
 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11458157/Aston-Villa-crowd-trouble-is-not-a-return-to-the-dark-ages.html)
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 09, 2015, 08:16:41 AM
Try Henry Winter in the Torygraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11458157/Aston-Villa-crowd-trouble-is-not-a-return-to-the-dark-ages.html
 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11458157/Aston-Villa-crowd-trouble-is-not-a-return-to-the-dark-ages.html)

I agree with all of that.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Steve kirk on March 09, 2015, 08:22:41 AM
thanks to everyone so I will try the Guardian, The "I" or Telegraph if that don't work I will give up and buy the dandy or the beano at least I can believe in those

The Dandy is no longer in circulation although they still produce a Xmas annual, the Beano however is still going strong as a weekly comic, a much better publication than the Sun.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: rob_bridge on March 09, 2015, 08:54:28 AM
No football supporter should ever buy the Sun.

I wouldn't even use it to wipe my arse! Still remember trip back from Anderlect and seeing what they wrote when we arrived back in Dover.

Exactly - you wipe your arse to clean it, not make it even dirtier.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: not3bad on March 09, 2015, 10:15:16 AM
Have you tried the Daily Mash?

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/suspiciously-talented-footballers-invade-pitch-at-villa-park-2015030996047
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Dave on March 09, 2015, 10:21:52 AM
Chelsea fan on F365:

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...Is it just me, or was the joylessly po faced reaction to the exuberant pitch invasion at Villa Park final proof that the notion of the football fan is completely dead and buried. "Unacceptable", "We dont want to see that sort of thing" and "mindless idiots" are just a few of the reactions I've heard. "Unacceptable" to whom? Not to me, I thought it was bloody brilliant and reminded me of the day Chelsea won the old second division back in the 80s. Except that back then, the chairman and the entire team applauded the fans from the East Stand. Proper chairmen gack in those days. Mind you, if you tried to get on the pitch during a game you stood a fair chance of being electrocuted but that's another story. Who doesn't "want to see that sort of thing"? Well, corporate money men and health and safety fetishists terrified that the value of their carefully nurtured "product" might fall or, in the case of the latter, just generally terrified. And finally, Tony Pulis, how does losing yourself in the joy of the moment and celebrating your team's victory equate to 'mindless idiocy'?

Stay off the grass consumers. Get back in your boxes. Sit quietly. Buy the pretty baubles we put in front of you and then file out quietly, not forgetting to doff your caps on the way out. "Fitter, happier, more productive".

Enjoy the 'product' oh you lucky people.

Just remember your place.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Monty on March 09, 2015, 10:24:34 AM
I agree with the Chelsea fan. Going onto the pitch during the game is kind of berky, because we're trying to watch, damn it, but after the game? I'm sure the groundsman can cope, and it was all in a good spirit.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 09, 2015, 10:27:13 AM
Think I will stick up for the BEEB a bit on this one.  Because as far as I can tell they have just reported what the scenes were at the match without showing any bias either way. 

They didn't though. Saying it was like a return to the bad old days, or a lot of villages had lost their idiots, is not reporting on the facts at all, it is interpreting them and offering an opinion.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: CT Villan on March 09, 2015, 01:20:30 PM
Bring back the Sports Argus.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 09, 2015, 01:23:04 PM
Think I will stick up for the BEEB a bit on this one.  Because as far as I can tell they have just reported what the scenes were at the match without showing any bias either way. 

They didn't though. Saying it was like a return to the bad old days, or a lot of villages had lost their idiots, is not reporting on the facts at all, it is interpreting them and offering an opinion.

Lawrenson's village has lost theirs for a while.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Fred on March 09, 2015, 01:31:31 PM
The super soaraway Sun's headline was shocking. Reading all the reviews of the game I think I was at another game as all I saw was (after 5 years of misery) fans celebrating.

A return to the dark ages it was not.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: hipkiss92 on March 09, 2015, 01:54:12 PM
Think I will stick up for the BEEB a bit on this one.  Because as far as I can tell they have just reported what the scenes were at the match without showing any bias either way. 

They didn't though. Saying it was like a return to the bad old days, or a lot of villages had lost their idiots, is not reporting on the facts at all, it is interpreting them and offering an opinion.

Lawrenson's village has lost theirs for a while.

The village idiot line was fair enough, considering the match hadn't finished an everyone else was saying it around me.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: 1_Pablo_Angel on March 09, 2015, 01:56:40 PM
The super soaraway Sun's headline was shocking. Reading all the reviews of the game I think I was at another game as all I saw was (after 5 years of misery) fans celebrating.

A return to the dark ages it was not.

Agreed, nights like that are what football should be about.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 09, 2015, 01:57:21 PM
No football supporter should ever buy the Sun.
No human being should ever buy the Sun.

No human being should subscribe to sky. But most of them do .
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 09, 2015, 01:59:12 PM
No football supporter should ever buy the Sun.
No human being should ever buy the Sun.

No human being should subscribe to sky. But most of them do .

They don't. Sky audience figures are still a fraction of terrestrial ones.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 09, 2015, 02:00:37 PM
The super soaraway Sun's headline was shocking. Reading all the reviews of the game I think I was at another game as all I saw was (after 5 years of misery) fans celebrating.

A return to the dark ages it was not.


Lets hope Villa ban the cnut.s
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 09, 2015, 02:01:59 PM
No football supporter should ever buy the Sun.
No human being should ever buy the Sun.

No human being should subscribe to sky. But most of them do .

They don't. Sky audience figures are still a fraction of terrestrial ones.


Maybe Dave, but would be better if no one subscribed to it , especially villa fans .

Let the chavski and manure waste their money on its rubbish.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 09, 2015, 02:35:10 PM
No football supporter should ever buy the Sun.
No human being should ever buy the Sun.

No human being should subscribe to sky. But most of them do .

They don't. Sky audience figures are still a fraction of terrestrial ones.


Maybe Dave, but would be better if no one subscribed to it , especially villa fans .

Let the chavski and manure waste their money on its rubbish.

I totally agree.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Dave on March 09, 2015, 05:22:45 PM
The Guardian again, the gist and tone of which could virtually have been lifted from these very pages.:

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Pitch invasions are bad. The Fiver knows pitch invasions are bad because it spent all day yesterday and much of today listening to various people pontificating in newspapers, on TV and on the radio getting their smalls in a righteously indignant twist over two separate pitch invasions at Villa Park on Saturday evening, when some happy booze-fuelled numpties stormed the pitch to celebrate a goal and then victory for their team against local rivals West Brom. Happy football fans? We can’t be having that.

Rather than being a return to the bad old days of the 1970s and 1980s, as some more hysterical commentators have suggested, your glass half-full Fiver prefers to think of it as more of a reminder of the 1960s, a decade in which a similar pitch invasion perpetrated by similarly happy football fans at Wembley outraged public sensibilities to such an extent that it is to this day celebrated through its immortalisation in one of the most celebrated snippets of sports commentary ever heard. Happy football fans? Let’s put it on a 49-year loop.

OK, so pitch invasions aren’t ideal or indeed particularly rare (has a play-off semi-final second leg ever actually ended without one?), but compared to fans being hit by seats torn from the Villa Park away end or corner-takers being pelted by missiles flung by spectators, they’re little more than a minor inconvenience that can be fairly easily avoided.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 09, 2015, 05:38:42 PM
The Guardian again, the gist and tone of which could virtually have been lifted from these very pages.:

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Pitch invasions are bad. The Fiver knows pitch invasions are bad because it spent all day yesterday and much of today listening to various people pontificating in newspapers, on TV and on the radio getting their smalls in a righteously indignant twist over two separate pitch invasions at Villa Park on Saturday evening, when some happy booze-fuelled numpties stormed the pitch to celebrate a goal and then victory for their team against local rivals West Brom. Happy football fans? We can’t be having that.

Rather than being a return to the bad old days of the 1970s and 1980s, as some more hysterical commentators have suggested, your glass half-full Fiver prefers to think of it as more of a reminder of the 1960s, a decade in which a similar pitch invasion perpetrated by similarly happy football fans at Wembley outraged public sensibilities to such an extent that it is to this day celebrated through its immortalisation in one of the most celebrated snippets of sports commentary ever heard. Happy football fans? Let’s put it on a 49-year loop.

OK, so pitch invasions aren’t ideal or indeed particularly rare (has a play-off semi-final second leg ever actually ended without one?), but compared to fans being hit by seats torn from the Villa Park away end or corner-takers being pelted by missiles flung by spectators, they’re little more than a minor inconvenience that can be fairly easily avoided.

I see Barry Glendenning is writing the Fiver again. Good lad.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: brontebilly on March 09, 2015, 06:23:52 PM
I agree with the Chelsea fan. Going onto the pitch during the game is kind of berky, because we're trying to watch, damn it, but after the game? I'm sure the groundsman can cope, and it was all in a good spirit.

Wasnt our captain bitten?
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 09, 2015, 07:01:22 PM
I agree with the Chelsea fan. Going onto the pitch during the game is kind of berky, because we're trying to watch, damn it, but after the game? I'm sure the groundsman can cope, and it was all in a good spirit.

Wasnt our captain bitten?

IIRC he said he was kissed and he could feel teeth.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2015, 07:05:23 PM
I agree with the Chelsea fan. Going onto the pitch during the game is kind of berky, because we're trying to watch, damn it, but after the game? I'm sure the groundsman can cope, and it was all in a good spirit.

Wasnt our captain bitten?

He clearly said it in jest right after the match finished. He burst out laughing for crying out loud.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: dave shelley on March 09, 2015, 07:12:50 PM
In one of the images I've seen of the outpouring of joy, shows Delph surrounded by ecstatic fans jumping up and down singing and, Delph himself laughing and joining in.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 09, 2015, 07:16:09 PM
The Birmingham Mail tweeted something earlier of so called footage of a couple of Albion players being abused and hit after the match. Turns out a fan brushed past the one player and the other player was called a "f#ckin twat".
Honestly it's pathetic.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Dave on March 09, 2015, 07:38:35 PM
The BBC live feed of tonight's match

Quote
Mr Oizo was at number one with his annoying, bass-heavy 'Flat Beat', the minimum wage was introduced at £3.60 an hour for workers over 21, and these sides served up one of the great FA Cup games - perhaps one of the best games I've ever seen - in the semi-final replay at Villa Park.

Younger readers may not have ever seen the classic - so fill your boots here! It was a brilliant, brilliant match.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/81506000/jpg/_81506783_beckham.jpg)

For some reason they don't think that this was "a return to the Dark Ages", even though they accompany it with a photograph of the barbarian hordes surrounding David Beckham.

Edited for stupid malapropism
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: dcdavecollett on March 09, 2015, 10:03:41 PM
Hordes, please.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Dave on March 09, 2015, 10:07:46 PM
Urgh, you're quite right of course.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 09, 2015, 10:15:18 PM
You should post that on the BBC site Dave. If such a thing is possible.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 10, 2015, 09:18:35 AM
Only just noticed this thread, my first thought was that the original post was a rubbish piss take.

Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 10, 2015, 09:22:12 AM
Only just noticed this thread, my first thought was that the original post was a rubbish piss take.



I liked the OUTRAGE personally.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 10, 2015, 09:28:23 AM
Only just noticed this thread, my first thought was that the original post was a rubbish piss take.



I liked the OUTRAGE personally.

Ain't that THE TRUTH.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: itbrvilla on March 10, 2015, 02:51:29 PM
Just seen the front page from the Sun.  Up to their old tricks again.  The club should ban their reporters from the club.  What a vile rag it is.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on March 11, 2015, 06:50:36 PM
Not seen the Front Page so what did the Sun Say. I read Telegraph on my tablet occasionally.
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 11, 2015, 07:02:22 PM
Not seen the Front Page so what did the Sun Say. I read Telegraph on my tablet occasionally.


The Sun on Sunday's headline - "CARNAGE"
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Rudy65 on March 11, 2015, 10:48:51 PM
No football supporter should ever buy the Sun.

Nobody with a brain should read that rubbish
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 12, 2015, 08:33:30 AM
Kadeem Simmonds on the pitch invasion from the Morning Star:

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-0aca-SIMMONDS-SPEAKS-Villa-pitch-invasion-was-not-a-dangerous-affair#.VQFPCvmsV5I (http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-0aca-SIMMONDS-SPEAKS-Villa-pitch-invasion-was-not-a-dangerous-affair#.VQFPCvmsV5I)
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: Hopadop on March 12, 2015, 10:54:02 AM
No football supporter should ever buy the Sun.

Nobody with a brain should read that rubbish

Hillsborough: telling the truth about the scum (http://thejusticegap.com/2014/11/hillsborough-telling-truth-scum/)
Title: Re: What Newspaper for Truth
Post by: dave shelley on March 12, 2015, 01:42:01 PM
No football supporter should ever buy the Sun.

Nobody with a brain should read that rubbish

Hillsborough: telling the truth about the scum (http://thejusticegap.com/2014/11/hillsborough-telling-truth-scum/)

Great piece well written, thanks for the link.  I was one of the 'scum' described by that rag because I supported the miners at Saltley in 1972.  I, along with other workmates, marched there from our place of work to join in the protests.  I was also 'scum' for supporting the Firemens' strike in the mid-eighties. I won't allow that  piece of shit in my house.
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