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Title: Assistant Manager
Post by: RussellC on January 17, 2015, 06:23:57 PM
I've just asked this on the the post-match thread, but why don't we have one?

Roy Keane left nearly 2 months ago. I can only assume that either Lambert doesn't think it's a particularly urgent matter or we are being turned-down left, right and centre. Surely there are options out there though? Paul Jewell? Mike Phelan? Brian Little? Any number of experienced ex-Managers/Coaches who could come in and offer a fresh perspective on things. In his current predicament I would have thought it would be a pressing concern for him.

I watched an old interview with Neil Warnock earlier and he said that he always likes to have 2 assistants, one to bounce ideas-off in the dug-out and one watching the game from the stands,which struck me as complete common sense. When was the last time you saw Lambert plotting anything in the dug-out, or even having a conversation with one of his team?
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Malandro on January 17, 2015, 06:30:13 PM
He has no friends
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 17, 2015, 06:32:51 PM
Who'd want to work with this great big silly old Hector?
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: RussellC on January 17, 2015, 06:34:06 PM
I've always thought that it must be one of the best jobs in football. There as an observer and sounding-board with no real pressure on your head, probably being paid a small fortune. Anyone coming into the club now would be pretty much guaranteed all of the credit for any improvement made, and no risk of any flak should the current malaise continue. It worried me greatly the other day when Lambert said he'd "had no time for coaching" because of the Christmas fixtures that we're not really making much of an effort to find one.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Damo70 on January 17, 2015, 06:36:13 PM
The successful Villa managers like Saunders, Taylor, Atkinson, Little and MON were very specific with their assistants. Lambert seems hit and miss. I think we have a few ex players who could do a job. Swain, Platt, Neilson, Richardson, Saunders, Parker, and Staunton all have coaching experience for a start.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Damo70 on January 17, 2015, 06:38:48 PM
Who'd want to work with this great big silly old Hector?

Someone who wants to be given a go as a caretaker PL manager from Easter to the end of the season. ;)
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2015, 06:39:11 PM
His mucker in Gillette Fusion/Mach4/the best a man can get, Charlie Nicholas said he should get Jewelly in - Paul Jewell, not Julie from Accounts.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: RussellC on January 17, 2015, 06:40:11 PM
And how about an attacking coach? It's obvious that that's our problem so why not someone who could at least look to improve us in that department. I'm sure other clubs do.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: CT on January 17, 2015, 06:42:46 PM
He says we're excellent every single week, so I guess we don't really need one.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Damo70 on January 17, 2015, 06:44:44 PM
And how about an attacking coach? It's obvious that that's our problem so why not someone who could at least look to improve us in that department. I'm sure other clubs do.

I would appoint Staunton and Saunders. One a defender and one an attacker. One good cop and one a bad cop. Staunton was a bad loser (that's a compliment), Saunders a joker. And when it comes to the "show us your caps and medals" cliche they have quite a few.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: pooligan on January 17, 2015, 06:51:49 PM
The way the club is being run these days,it is probably a cost cutting measure to save money having no assistant
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Steve67 on January 17, 2015, 06:52:04 PM
Maybe it's simply about money and saving it so he has some for transfers. Our credibility is dropping by the week, I wonder who'd want to come.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: myf on January 17, 2015, 06:55:34 PM
This is the one glimmer which suggests lambert isn't safe
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: RussellC on January 17, 2015, 07:18:22 PM
Randomly, I just glanced at Twitter and there's a rumour that Marcus Allback has been sounded-out about the position. Probably bullshit, but interesting nonetheless...
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2015, 07:50:23 PM
Allback? Why not get Bosko and Hassan Kachloul in on it too?
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Damo70 on January 17, 2015, 08:06:12 PM
Allback? Why not get Bosko and Hassan Kachloul in on it too?

Ivo, Ivo!
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: UK Redsox on January 17, 2015, 08:19:10 PM
Allback? Why not get Bosko and Hassan Kachloul in on it too?

What's Mattieu Berson up to these days?

Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Ron Manager on January 17, 2015, 08:45:42 PM
And how about an attacking coach? It's obvious that that's our problem so why not someone who could at least look to improve us in that department. I'm sure other clubs do.

I would appoint Staunton and Saunders. One a defender and one an attacker. One good cop and one a bad cop. Staunton was a bad loser (that's a compliment), Saunders a joker. And when it comes to the "show us your caps and medals" cliche they have quite a few.

Staunton is unpopular with the fans and Saunders was terrible at Molineux not so long ago.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: rob_bridge on January 18, 2015, 07:28:09 AM
Blackadder   Captain Rum:

http://youtu.be/bIXQFaEsvlQ

Lambore eing Captain Rum

Substitute Crew for Coaching Staff.

Is it my imagination or was the last time we had a really strong set up was Little-Gregory-Evans?

Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 18, 2015, 09:09:45 AM
Blackadder   Captain Rum:

http://youtu.be/bIXQFaEsvlQ

Lambore eing Captain Rum

Substitute Crew for Coaching Staff.

Is it my imagination or was the last time we had a really strong set up was Little-Gregory-Evans?

Without wishing to start another argument about him it could be argued MON had a strong backroom team.

In terms of the OP it is insane that he hasn't brought anyone in. Is he even looking? Is Tom Fox looking?
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on January 18, 2015, 09:18:21 AM
I'll apply. I think I have some more positive ideas than Lambert.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Des Little on January 18, 2015, 09:31:20 AM
Peter Taylor is on the wireless now. Always thought he has a good view of coaching. Someone like him would do us well.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: nigel on January 18, 2015, 12:28:04 PM
Allback? Why not get Bosko and Hassan Kachloul in on it too?

Alback is Sweden's number two, so has some pedigree.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Villafirst on January 18, 2015, 02:33:02 PM
Just sums up the shambolic way the club is now run. A fuckwit of a Chairman. Who would be the caretaker Manager in the event of Lambert being sacked? Sid?
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 18, 2015, 05:28:30 PM
I don't want one. It just makes us even less likely to sack Lambert as it would be an extra bloke to pay off.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Clampy on January 20, 2015, 11:25:01 AM
Well Mike Phelan has left Norwich where he was first team coach. Maybe he's been offered another job.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 20, 2015, 11:28:56 AM
Expect Paul jewell
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: pooligan on January 20, 2015, 11:32:50 AM
Just like Lambert to poach Phelan to upset their chairman.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 20, 2015, 11:36:25 AM
He was quoted last week, Lambert that is, as stating that the squad did not need a forwards coach, he was also asked about a psychologist , in  case it had become a mental problem scoring goals, he pooed pooed that as well.
Obviously a scholar of 'I will do it all and be proud when I fuck it up all on my own' school of Tactics and Management, is our Paul.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Mister E on January 20, 2015, 11:45:19 AM
Well Mike Phelan has left Norwich where he was first team coach. Maybe he's been offered another job.
Yes,  saw that; my mind wondered the same thing ...
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: OCD on January 20, 2015, 11:49:45 AM
If anyone needs a psychologist, it's Lambert. Someone who can help him to realise that it is possible to win a game and he doesn't have to be thinking about not losing a game.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Boz on January 20, 2015, 12:08:32 PM
Well Mike Phelan has left Norwich where he was first team coach. Maybe he's been offered another job.

I bloody hope not, don't want another ManUre cast off.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on January 20, 2015, 12:20:06 PM
What's Ads up to these days? And would he be happy to take a subordinate position?
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: montague on January 20, 2015, 12:42:33 PM
Well Mike Phelan has left Norwich where he was first team coach. Maybe he's been offered another job.

I bloody hope not, don't want another ManUre cast off.

Yeah his track record is awful !
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 20, 2015, 12:44:05 PM
If Allback is good coach in Sweden. How about a Swedish dream team with Allback and Mellberg in management with Laursen as no 3 :)
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2015, 12:49:29 PM
The idea that he has said we don't need a forwards coach is very concerning!?

Look at the difference specific coaches make in specific roles - Sheringham at West Ham for starters. Marshall with our defence could be pointed out too.

He needs an assistant, and a revamp of the coaching set up for sure. He is too scared to do it though.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: mr underhill on January 20, 2015, 12:50:56 PM
like the Nordic triumvirate idea , but could we afford all those  birch sticks for the saunas?
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Boz on January 20, 2015, 12:59:16 PM
The idea that he has said we don't need a forwards coach is very concerning!?

Look at the difference specific coaches make in specific roles - Sheringham at West Ham for starters. Marshall with our defence could be pointed out too.

He needs an assistant, and a revamp of the coaching set up for sure. He is too scared to do it though.

I think he's on a bonus if he keeps the payroll costs down with minimal back room staff.  :P

Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 20, 2015, 01:14:03 PM
Could Ads be tempted back to the club?
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Dave on January 20, 2015, 01:24:55 PM
Look at the difference specific coaches make in specific roles - Sheringham at West Ham for starters
Is that really the difference? Isn't it more likely to be the fact that they have far better strikers now than when they couldn't score?

If Sheringham had come in and started to get Carlton Cole and Modibo Maiga scoring bucketloads of goals then I'd agree he was working wonders.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2015, 01:25:06 PM
I am still pulling the strings behind the scenes.

#facepalm larf
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: fbriai on January 20, 2015, 01:27:43 PM
I am still pulling the strings behind the scenes.

#facepalm larf

Did you move upstairs, then? Director of Football?
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: RussellC on January 20, 2015, 01:55:08 PM
Just seen that this guy is available;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30899506
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: AVH87 on January 20, 2015, 03:24:07 PM
Wonder if Phelan's just sulking because he expected to get the manager's job there when Adams left.

Either way, I'd take him here. Wouldn't see him as a Man Utd cast off as he was Fergie's chosen right hand man for years and only left when he did.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: RussellC on January 20, 2015, 03:26:53 PM
That was certainly what they were suggesting on TalkSport. Although they also suggested that he would now be inline to become Potato Head's assistant at Hull.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 20, 2015, 03:32:06 PM
Phelan's a coach too.
We could do with a coach.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Des Little on January 20, 2015, 03:42:45 PM
We are crying out for a fcuking coach.  Can no one at the club see this?
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: dekko on January 20, 2015, 04:36:30 PM
Jesus wept, did Lambert really say we don't need a forwards coach?






RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2015, 04:47:09 PM
Would a forwards coach get anymore out of Gabby, Weimann and N'Zogbia?

With Gil in, we only need two more to repalce that triumvirate who have been huffing and puffing and creating next to nothing for two and a half seasons.

Its no good having a coach come in and introducing runs for players to make, if they lack the inteligence to do it in the first place.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 20, 2015, 04:55:42 PM
Jesus wept, did Lambert really say we don't need a forwards coach?






RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes but it was a Jedi mind trick like Obi Wan Kenobi saying 'you don't need to see our papers' to a Stormtrooper.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 20, 2015, 04:58:09 PM
Jesus wept, did Lambert really say we don't need a forwards coach?






RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes but it was a Jedi mind trick like Obi Wan Kenobi saying 'you don't need to see our papers' to a Stormtrooper.

These are not the goals you're looking for.  (Waves hand in mystic manner)
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 20, 2015, 05:01:05 PM
Would a forwards coach get anymore out of Gabby, Weimann and N'Zogbia?

Its no good having a coach come in and introducing runs for players to make, if they lack the inteligence to do it in the first place.

You're Paul Lambert and I claim my £5.

You obviously have little faith in coaching, Ads, if you're going to knock out tiresome cliches like that. A coach apart from helping improve the players would also advise the manager as to the limits of the players ability to the manager's preferred system. In fact, the list of benefits a good coach could bring to the team are almost endless. Sadly, English football gives far too much importance to 'personalities' than actual ability which is hardly surprising given the nature and opinion makers in the media.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: eric woolban woolban on January 20, 2015, 05:13:23 PM
We are crying out for a fcuking coach.  Can no one at the club see this?
We'll probably sign National Express.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: paul_e on January 20, 2015, 06:11:45 PM
Would a forwards coach get anymore out of Gabby, Weimann and N'Zogbia?

Its no good having a coach come in and introducing runs for players to make, if they lack the inteligence to do it in the first place.

You're Paul Lambert and I claim my £5.

You obviously have little faith in coaching, Ads, if you're going to knock out tiresome cliches like that. A coach apart from helping improve the players would also advise the manager as to the limits of the players ability to the manager's preferred system. In fact, the list of benefits a good coach could bring to the team are almost endless. Sadly, English football gives far too much importance to 'personalities' than actual ability which is hardly surprising given the nature and opinion makers in the media.

Spot on, the team is screaming out for some decent coaching.  It's very easy to say that just getting better players means you're better, and that attitude has made the league the money pit it is, but a good coaching setup gets a lot more out of the individual players than you often see.  Look at Man Utd and how many times they had pretty average players in their squads whilst they were winning trophy after trophy.  Yes they spent a lot as well and yes they had some top players, but the likes of Butt, Cleverley, etc show that if the players are well coached and know what each other are doing they can be a lot more than the sum of their parts.

Easily my biggest complaint about Lambert is that he took on the 'young and hungry' ethos without actually putting the coaching structure in place that you need for it to work.  What really pisses me off is that lots of people will now feel utterly vindicated in saying that young and hungry can never work and demanding experience, when it could've worked perfectly for where we were and what the fans expected if we'd got it even remotely right.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Matt C on January 20, 2015, 06:13:15 PM
Peter Taylor is on the wireless now. Always thought he has a good view of coaching. Someone like him would do us well.

Peter Taylor is a good shout. Has always appeared to be a sound coach but struggled as manager.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 20, 2015, 06:38:42 PM
Fine. I will do it.

Keep it on the ground lads, into the mixah! Play it short, no, long to the big man. Tight at the back, play out from the back!

(http://i.imgur.com/LS4qUKs.jpg)
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: waringpongo on January 20, 2015, 06:47:48 PM
Its pointless signing a new coach when we have a new multi billionaire owner waiting in the wings.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: LeeB on January 20, 2015, 07:50:50 PM
I am still pulling the strings behind the scenes.

#facepalm larf

It's why I don't go down, or contribute to an entirely independent website I spend all day on.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Des Little on January 20, 2015, 10:22:27 PM
We are crying out for a fcuking coach.  Can no one at the club see this?
We'll probably sign National Express.
...when your life's in a mess...
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: brontebilly on January 20, 2015, 11:37:42 PM
Phelan is off to Hull. Meuelensteen maybe?
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: ozzjim on January 21, 2015, 12:32:12 AM
Kendrick in the DOF article has said there is seen to be no rush on assistant.  What a shambles the football side appears to be.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: pooligan on January 21, 2015, 12:44:14 AM
Paul is in no hurry for a assistant, we are doing excellent without one or so he tells us every saturday night
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: ozzjim on January 21, 2015, 12:47:57 AM
Unfathomable. Really is.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Louzie0 on January 21, 2015, 01:11:12 AM
Fine. I will do it.

Keep it on the ground lads, into the mixah! Play it short, no, long to the big man. Tight at the back, play out from the back!

(http://i.imgur.com/LS4qUKs.jpg)
I'll apply. I think I have some more positive ideas than Lambert.

Go, Tom.

Or ciggiesnbeer; liked the hand signals.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: ROBBO on January 21, 2015, 07:53:38 AM
If a takeover was iminent you wouldn't appoint an assistent. Just saying like.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: RussellC on January 21, 2015, 08:52:01 AM
If a takeover was iminent you wouldn't appoint an assistent. Just saying like.

The only thing that's imminent is a relegation battle, for which I would have thought an Assistant Manager fairly important.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: fredm on January 21, 2015, 11:29:17 AM
See Mike Phelan is allegedly going to Hull to help Brucie out.  Surely someone with his experience would be ideal at VP.
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: Mister E on January 21, 2015, 12:56:17 PM
See Mike Phelan is allegedly going to Hull to help Brucie out.  Surely someone with his experience would be ideal at VP.
Phelan, Mueleenstein ... there are one or two out there. KMac would also do a job, IMHO.
We just need to GET A FREEKING COACHING TEAM IN AND START GETTING THE PLAYERS PLAYING BETTER!!!
Title: Re: Assistant Manager
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 21, 2015, 05:03:07 PM
Get Sven in.
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