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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on December 22, 2014, 04:53:49 PM
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Friday 26th 3pm.
Them 1 Us 2
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Boxing Day misery. 2-0 to them.
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1-1.
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Tough game this. Winnable but a draw would be a good result
We'll need to make a few changes between this game and the sunderland one to keep things fresh.
The easiest thing to do would be retain 352, bring Hutton in for Lowton and cleverley for weimann (assuming gabby gets his card rescinded)
But swansea line up differently to Man U and we'd risk our wing backs being pushed quite far back
I reckon he might stick with the 352 tho.
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still have difficulty seeing us score more than once so I hope 0-1
probably will end a 1-1 draw
they could score more..............well that's just about covered all bases then
Merry Christmas all!!
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Swansea on their day could do us but we seem quite resilient so a draw would be OK
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Lambert has always done reasonably well against this lot and I can see that continuing. With Hutton back we should be even more solid. Got to watch out for that Jefferson Montero, he's a very good player.
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1-1 Benteke for us, Leighton James for them
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I think montero and sigurdsson may be injured - which would be great
Irritating that swansea have six midfielders who would all be exactly what we need in one way or another - montero, dyer, Routledge, sigurdsson, ki, shelvey
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I can't shake the belief we will have the the traditional Villa Christmas collapse. Then again I thought ManU would spank us, so hopefully I am wrong again.
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And so say all of us.
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Think we might win this. I think we then might lose the Sunderland game given it's only a couple of days after and our squad is really stretched.
Benteke special again.
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We've done ok versus Swansea results wise since they cam back up. 2-1 us, Benteke and Gabby
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We've done ok versus Swansea results wise since they cam back up. 2-1 us, Benteke and Gabby
W1 D3 L2
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We've done ok versus Swansea results wise since they cam back up. 2-1 us, Benteke and Gabby
W1 D3 L2
hmmm...maybe even ok is pushing it. I thought it was a little better than that. Fuck it, Villa win
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I feel more positive leading up to matchdays than I have done for a long while and that is truly a Christmas miracle. Think we'll win, but whatever the score, I don't expect a meek surrender any more.
Swansea 1 (Bony), Villa 2 (Benteke, Kringle)
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43 years since we won in Swansea -
2-1 to Aston Villa, Graydon & Aitken .
Competition League Division Three
Attendance 24,419
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Worth adding we have only played there 5 times since then.
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1-0 defeat.
Tough game this one, Swansea rested a few v Hull and still won.
This is a good gauge of how our new passing patient style will look.
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Tough game this. 0-2 loss.
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43 years since we won in Swansea -
2-1 to Aston Villa, Graydon & Aitken .
Competition League Division Three
Attendance 24,419
That was my first away game.
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Gabby deserves dropping so hopefully Lambert has the cojones to do it. Hutton will come back in for Lowton.
Swansea will be a good test especially for our wing backs.
Plenty of competition for places with Cleverley and Hutton being added to last weeks squad.
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Gabby is suspended as things currently stand!
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I'd like to see Weimann play off benteke as a striker instead of this silly wide midfield role he keeps getting played in even though it clearly hasn't worked for 2 years.
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1-1 draw.
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I'm praying for a win. I'm currently on a 13 game winless streak away from home stretching back to mat lowtons winner at stoke.
This calendar year my record is p10 w0 d3 l7 f2 a14
Pretty grim surely my luck away from home has to change
Would love a 3-1 win but going for 1-1 and a continuation of my winless streak
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I'd like to see Weimann play off benteke as a striker instead of this silly wide midfield role he keeps getting played in even though it clearly hasn't worked for 2 years.
You mean have tekkers drop deeper as a false 9 kind of role with Weimann being up front?
The other day someone on here mentioned Benteke is our most creative player. He really is and can pick out a great pass. With Weimann and he generally being on a good wavelength together it may not be so crazy....
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Can't see us beating Swansea, but it will just be by the odd goal. More importantly I don't think the loss will herald a prolonged slump- 8 pts from the following 4 games.
It's funny I still mentally view Swansea as a small club who we should be getting 6 points off a season in an ideal world. Their good spell since getting promoted just happens to coincide with a shit few seasons for us, so shouldn't be that surprising that our recent record against them posted above is that poor. I guess that's our level these days.
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A big shout for Jinxy a Swansea Villa Fan.
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For the first time in ages, I think we'll win. Cue a routine home win.
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An entertaining draw - 2-2.
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An entertaining draw - 2-2.
It would be entertaining for Villa to score two goals in a game ;)
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1-0 defeat.
Tough game this one, Swansea rested a few v Hull and still won.
This is a good gauge of how our new passing patient style will look.
Don't think Monk rested them. He said he wasn't satisfied with the previous performance and dropped a few to let them know their place in the team wasn't guaranteed. Seemed to work as well.
I wonder if another manager ever thinks that way?
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I think it will be 1-1 Benteke
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Draw I think is the best we can hope for!
Happy Christmas!
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I think the poll should be changed to..
Very Winnable
Very Losable
Very Drawable.
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Need to hear that Gabby's red card has been rescinded today, don't we? An away draw. Guzan-Okore, Vlaar, Clark-Hutton, Sanchez, Cleverley, Delph, Cissokho-Gabby or Andi, Benteke.
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Common sense prevails on Gabby, then.
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Need to hear that Gabby's red card has been rescinded today, don't we? An away draw. Guzan-Okore, Vlaar, Clark-Hutton, Sanchez, Cleverley, Delph, Cissokho-Gabby or Andi, Benteke.
Like the look of that team Paul. Gabby or Weimann is a tricky choice, but I would be inclined to go with Gabby's extra pace against their backline. 2-1 win for us.
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Guzan
Hutton
Vlaar
Okore
Cissokho
Clark
Delph
Sanchez
Benteke
Gabby
Weimann
Given
Bacuna
N'Zogbia
Grealish
Cleverley
Herd
Robinson
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That team does look a lot more solid than it did 5 weeks ago.
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Guzan
Hutton
Vlaar
Okore
Cissokho
Clark
Delph
Sanchez
Benteke
Gabby
Weimann
Given
Bacuna
N'Zogbia
Grealish
Cleverley
Herd
Robinson
I'd put Cleverley in for Weimann.
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You look at those names, the way we played last week and our next three fixtures and have to think we're capable of getting some proper points on the board.
Time to deliver.
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Swansea 3 Villa 1
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You look at those names, the way we played last week and our next three fixtures and have to think we're capable of getting some proper points on the board.
Time to deliver.
I know exactly what you mean.
Unfortunately the experiences of the last 2 1/2 years mean that anything remotely approaching a decent points haul with these fixtures and the current run of form will be a triumph of hope over expectation.
I don't think I've ever known us throw away so many opportunities to build up a decent head of steam, and especially not by ending a half decent run with the absolute barrel dredging of both results and performances for prolonged.periods.
Here's to hope.
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1-1 Draw for me.
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2-1 Villa win
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1-0 Villa...
...and a happy journey home on the club coaches!
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We are long overdue a Boxing Day win , when did it last happen ? 90's ?
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We are long overdue a Boxing Day win , when did it last happen ? 90's ?
2005 vs Everton I reckon. 4-0, Baros handball for 1st, Delaney scored 2nd, Angel and Baros in second half. Was so ill after that game waiting for a taxi in Trinity Road. Great day though.
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We are long overdue a Boxing Day win , when did it last happen ? 90's ?
We've won one out of 14 on Boxing Day, and lost once in twenty years on New Year's Day.
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The ones I remember are Man United in 89 for obvious reasons, Spurs at home when Collymore scored two and the Everton game I mentioned earlier. I went to all three of these. 4-4 at Chelsea was memorable, I didn't find out score until about an hour later and thought it was one of best games we've had. I remember Zola scoring twice vs us in 1996, such a let down after beating Wimbledon 5-0 the game before.
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I really don't remember many Boxing Day games , palace last year missed their goal as had left, I recall a 0-0 at derby, 1-1 home v spurs a loss 1-2 at home to pool. The 4-4 at Chelsea I only really remember Phil Thompson on sky having kittens , did we beat Liverpool in 80 ?
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I remember 2-0 at Derby, Boateng and Ian Taylor scored. There was a 0-0 at Arsenal in the green muller kit, Fashanu played up front and Townsend get sent off. We've had a few Boxing Day games cancelled, I remember no game in 1993 (Man City I think it was supposed to be) and Liverpool at home in 1995-96 - both in days prior to having undersoil heating.
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Or someone "forgot" to put the covers over the pitch
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Away win.
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Easily the best football christmas I can recall is 89-90
Boxing day, at home to Man United, win 3-0. Three days later, at home to Arsenal, win 2-1. If i recall correctly we went to Chelsea a few days later and won 3-0.
I remember during that Arsenal game, with them being reigning champions, we were singing "hand it over, hand it over, hand it over Arsenal". Happy days, when we could actually compete (that's not a moan at us, it is a moan at football in general).
I remember spending that entire christmas period with a fucking massive shit-eating grin on my face.
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I am trying to remember, was that Man United match the one where we were singing "getting sacked in the morning" at Ferguson? I seem to remember it on the back pages the next day.
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I wish this was a home game. Boxing Day is the worst without a game to go to.
Dunno about the result. We're playing reasonably well, but Swansea play some really nice stuff. Bony, Sigurdsson, and Montero have combined well whenever I've seen them.
I'd probably go for a 1-1 draw if I had to pick. Wouldn't be a bad result either providing we beat Sunderland on the 28th.
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The first game I attended at Villa Park was the day after Boxing Day 1966 against Sunderland and we won 2-1. Lew Chatterley (pen) and Keith Bradley got our goals after they had taken the lead.
This was the return fixture of the day before which used to happen back then, which we lost 2-1.
Swansea's style of play means that we will have some chances if we are patient and disciplined.
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I like Swansea. I remember reading old annuals as a kid and seeing that they'd recently been in the top-flight and not being able to really conceive of how that was possible. Same goes for Brighton.
Equally, I struggle to comprehend that Luton or Watford would look out of place in the fixture calendar.
Not really sure what point I'm making. We'll draw.
We're Aston Villa. We'll draw if we want.
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We'll win 3-0.
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2-1 win, on to the next one!
UTV
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I'd like to see Bacuna and NZogbia both start plus retain all three defenders but it'll be the usual predictable line-up of,
Guzan
Hutton
Okore
Clark or Vlaar
Cissokho
Delph
Cleverley
Sánchez
Weimann
Agbonlahor
Benteke
0-0
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Win or lose - on the booze, if you draw drink some more.
We go again.
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I think our manager will have his usual approach and go there not to lose. I think we will draw 1-1
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Equally, I struggle to comprehend that Luton or Watford would look out of place in the fixture calendar.
Ah Luton Town with their plastic pitch and pitchside executive boxes along the one touchline. Remember Tony Daley scoring a great goal against them at Villa Park, where he beat 4 or five or their players in front of the Witton Lane before slotting the ball under the keeper. Also seem to recall him scoring a goal at Kenilworth Road where someone in the crowd blew a whistle and all their players stopped or am I imagining that?
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I think our manager will have his usual approach and go there not to lose. I think we will draw 1-1
How dare a manager go to an inform side away from home and play not to lose a football match.
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Swansea have just the kind of defence that Benteke could really bully and prove that the Beast is Back. And Sunderland's, too, with three quarters of them on zimmer frames.
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1.1
Morley for us and Allan Curtis for them
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Would be nice westley if for once he was brave and tried to win !
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I think our manager will have his usual approach and go there not to lose. I think we will draw 1-1
How dare a manager go to an inform side away from home and play not to lose a football match.
They've won 3 of the last 8 and we have more points in the last 6 than them. What is "inform" about that?
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I am trying to remember, was that Man United match the one where we were singing "getting sacked in the morning" at Ferguson? I seem to remember it on the back pages the next day.
It was the game where the Holte was signing to Ferguson "thank you very much for Paul McGrath" to the tune of the Cadbury's Roses commercial.
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I will be very disappointed if we don't come out the blocks and attack in this game. I'd like to see an end to spending 70-80 minutes of parking the bus.
There were positives to take out of the Utd. We managed to look threatening. They're a damn sight better than Swansea.
I'd like to see a bit of adventure in the next 5 games. All matches we're more than capable of picking up 1-3 points in per game. There's no one who should envoke that much fear that we camp out in our own penalty area.
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Paul Lambert says there's a "good feeling" at Villa as they get set to face Swansea on Boxing Day.
Villa produced a superb performance to draw 1-1 with Louis van Gaal's expensively-assembled Man Utd on Saturday.
In total, Villa have now only lost once in seven matches and Lambert is pleased with both the current form book - and his team's performances over that period.
He hopes to see a continuation of both factors over this busy period, starting at the Liberty Stadium on Friday.
While festive revellers eye plenty of pints, Lambert is aiming for a glut of points to make it a very Merry Christmas for the claret and blues.
Asked what was on his festive wish list, he said: "Points! I think every manager would say the same.
"It's about getting as many points as you can. We have a lot of games coming up.
"There are so many matches coming up in this next little period. We will go and try and pick up as many points as we can.
"Then you have the FA Cup too on the horizon.
"We are sitting pretty decent in the league at the minute. And I think the way we're playing football at the minute is really pleasing.
"We look a good side. We have been beaten once in seven games, which is pretty decent.
"To play like we did against Man Utd with 10 men for that long spell was very good.
"But there were a few pleasing aspects in it. We changed system due to injury and suspension. We worked on it on the Monday and the lads grasped it pretty good. I thought we did ever so well on Saturday.
"Then we went down to 10 men. That made it hard against a really top side.
"But we could have won it at the death. I thought we played really well.
"We are in really good form. I am delighted with the way we are playing.
"The confidence is there. We are looking good at the minute. If we can get one or two back from injury too, that's important as well.
"We just need those lads out of the treatment room and on to that pitch.
"Next up is Swansea and it will be a tough game. They are a good side, especially down at their place.
"It's a game I am looking forward to because it's always a good atmosphere there and a good pitch to play football.
"We go down there with a lot of confidence. But we also know it's a difficult game.
"Garry Monk has done great there. I am sure he would agree that the foundations had been laid there before he went in.
"But you still have to go in there and manage players and cope with everything that gets thrown at you. He's done really well."
While many people look forward to the New Year during the festive period, Lambert allowed himself a spell of reflection as he gave his views on Vila's first half of the season.
He added: "It's been pretty good. It took us to about mid-January to pick up 20 points last season. So we have got there a lot quicker this time.
"And we have had a lot of key players out.
"We also have had that group of games where we had five out of the top six in a row, which was really tough to come through. It's hard when you play those back to back.
"But if we keep doing what we're doing and keep making progress then we will be fine."
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we will be fine
The new 'Prepared'?
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Paul Lambert says there's a "good feeling" at Villa as they get set to face Swansea on Boxing Day.
Villa produced a superb performance to draw 1-1 with Louis van Gaal's expensively-assembled Man Utd on Saturday.
In total, Villa have now only lost once in seven matches and Lambert is pleased with both the current form book - and his team's performances over that period.
He hopes to see a continuation of both factors over this busy period, starting at the Liberty Stadium on Friday.
While festive revellers eye plenty of pints, Lambert is aiming for a glut of points to make it a very Merry Christmas for the claret and blues.
Asked what was on his festive wish list, he said: "Points! I think every manager would say the same.
"It's about getting as many points as you can. We have a lot of games coming up.
"There are so many matches coming up in this next little period. We will go and try and pick up as many points as we can.
"Then you have the FA Cup too on the horizon.
"We are sitting pretty decent in the league at the minute. And I think the way we're playing football at the minute is really pleasing.
"We look a good side. We have been beaten once in seven games, which is pretty decent.
"To play like we did against Man Utd with 10 men for that long spell was very good.
"But there were a few pleasing aspects in it. We changed system due to injury and suspension. We worked on it on the Monday and the lads grasped it pretty good. I thought we did ever so well on Saturday.
"Then we went down to 10 men. That made it hard against a really top side.
"But we could have won it at the death. I thought we played really well.
"We are in really good form. I am delighted with the way we are playing.
"The confidence is there. We are looking good at the minute. If we can get one or two back from injury too, that's important as well.
"We just need those lads out of the treatment room and on to that pitch.
"Next up is Swansea and it will be a tough game. They are a good side, especially down at their place.
"It's a game I am looking forward to because it's always a good atmosphere there and a good pitch to play football.
"We go down there with a lot of confidence. But we also know it's a difficult game.
"Garry Monk has done great there. I am sure he would agree that the foundations had been laid there before he went in.
"But you still have to go in there and manage players and cope with everything that gets thrown at you. He's done really well."
While many people look forward to the New Year during the festive period, Lambert allowed himself a spell of reflection as he gave his views on Vila's first half of the season.
He added: "It's been pretty good. It took us to about mid-January to pick up 20 points last season. So we have got there a lot quicker this time.
"And we have had a lot of key players out.
"We also have had that group of games where we had five out of the top six in a row, which was really tough to come through. It's hard when you play those back to back.
"But if we keep doing what we're doing and keep making progress then we will be fine."
Presumably his comments about the FA Cup suggest we might take it seriously this time, rather than viewing it as a nuisance.
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Correct LTA, maybe this time he'll pick a full strength side for the 3rd RD, just like those other managers who always pick a full strength side.
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We played a fairly strong side v Sheff Utd last season.
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This idea that Lambert played a weak team against the Blades last season is plain wrong. he had to leave some players out through injury -and that's all.
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Yes he did play a strong side against Sheffield United......they were just clearly demotivated by his remarks the day before.
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Yes he did play a strong side against Sheffield United......they were just clearly demotivated by his remarks the day before.
No they weren't. They played poorly and lost. It had absolutely nothing at all to do with his comments. Every manager does it and he got taken to task over speaking about it. I didn't see the same level of drama anywhere else when other clubs did the same thing. It was complete and utter nonsense and blown way, way out of proportion. We played badly, coached badly and lost against a side that in the end went really far in the competition.
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Yes he did play a strong side against Sheffield United......they were just clearly demotivated by his remarks the day before.
No they weren't. They played poorly and lost. It had absolutely nothing at all to do with his comments. Every manager does it and he got taken to task over speaking about it. I didn't see the same level of drama anywhere else when other clubs did the same thing. It was complete and utter nonsense and blown way, way out of proportion. We played badly, coached badly and lost against a side that in the end went really far in the competition.
It was probably nothing to do directly with his comments, but it appeared to me that we were trying out a completely different way of playing. Specifically, Westwood was launching raking passes to the wings from deep.
Cynics would say we were using it as a practice game. Others would say adapting to the opposition. Yet others would say if you can't experiment in a game like this, whenever can you. Some were watching on blurry, buffering internet streams and would have been better getting text updates from Redsox's outside broadcast unit.
The point is, once the comments were made, quite a few (not me, by the way) will not believe his commitment to the competition ever again.
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I have gone for the draw. I haven't actually checked this out but I was under the impression Swansea draw quite a few at home.
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He usually puts out a strong side for the cups. I wish he wouldn't. He should play the kids and rest the first team players for the more important league games.
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I have gone for the draw. I haven't actually checked this out but I was under the impression Swansea draw quite a few at home.
2 home draws so far , palace (1-1), Newcastle (2-2).
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Doesn't Lambert have a really good record against Swansea? Or was it just Rodgers Swansea?
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Doesn't Lambert have a really good record against Swansea? Or was it just Rodgers Swansea?
Think we've only beaten them once under lambert - the beasts debut 2-0 (Lowton cracked the other home).
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Doesn't Lambert have a really good record against Swansea? Or was it just Rodgers Swansea?
Think we've only beaten them once under lambert - the beasts debut 2-0 (Lowton cracked the other home).
Oh aye. Hmm, fun game that :) Tekkers looked super nervous as he scored if I remember right :)
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we will be fine
The new 'Prepared'?
s'aight
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FIFA 15 predicts a 2-0 away win. N'zogbia 15 and 71.
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2-1 defeat I think. Benteke for us
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1-1. Bony and not so Bony (Gabby) to score.
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Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-team-news-hutton-8340339)
Aston Villa team news: Hutton and Cleverley both back from suspension
Paul Lambert has a tough call to make in the middle of the park
Dec 25, 2014 10:30 By Gregg Evans
Villa will welcome back Alan Hutton and Tom Cleverley for tomorrow's trip to Swansea.
Both players were suspended for the 1-1 draw with Manchester United after picking up five bookings but will go straight back into the team today.
Hutton will replace Matt Lowton at right-back and Cleverley is expected to take the place of either Ron Vlaar, Jores Okore or Ciaran Clark as boss Paul Lambert considers switching back to a flat back four.
If the manager decides to stick with the three centre halves that performed so well against United last weekend the man most likely to drop to the bench would be Andreas Weimann who played in a midfield role last time out.
An unlikely option would be to rest Carlos Sanchez to help avoid burn-out although it’s thought that Lambert is keen to see how the Colombian performs alongside Cleverley and Fabian Delph in a matchday situation.
The South Wales clash is likely to come too soon for Joe Cole who has only just returned to training after pulling a hamstring in the win over Crystal Palace earlier this month.
“Joe is doing alright, he’s doing well,” said Lambert.
“We’ll see how he’s feeling and hopefully he’ll be not too far off it. He was playing really well before he got the injury.”
Ashley Westwood, Libor Kozak and Nathan Baker are all out with longer-term injuries.
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i like this. it's mostly the reason that I go into tomorrow's game with a tiny bit of hope. We have gota half decent defence at the moment which gives us the chance to win games.
http://www.football365.com/f365-features/9618998/The-PL-s-Most-Improved-Defences
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we will be fine
The new 'Prepared'?
s'aight
"wewi llb efine" almost sounds Latin so a befitting motto!
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FIFA 15 predicts a 2-0 away win. N'zogbia 15 and 71.
I believe the first but doubt the second prediction.
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we will be fine
The new 'Prepared'?
s'aight
"wewi llb efine" almost sounds Latin so a befitting motto!
"Weg o ag ain"
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i like this. it's mostly the reason that I go into tomorrow's game with a tiny bit of hope. We have gota half decent defence at the moment which gives us the chance to win games.
http://www.football365.com/f365-features/9618998/The-PL-s-Most-Improved-Defences
when you consider the current CB partnership is I believe the 4th or 5th combination this season you can see that despite the really bad run we endured some things were coming together. Look at this season compared to calamity of a couple of years ago where pretty much every attack/set piece led to the inevitable we can say that really isn't the case anymore. Our defensive frailty this year has been less about errors but more about the tactics of the manager in trying to soak up pressure for extended periods of time until the doors just cave in. If we commit now to keeping the ball more, the defence gets a breather and is able to regroup. Those stats should continue to improve.
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More or less 50% of the goals we've conceded have come in the last 20 mins of games. I wonder if this is a fatigue / concentration thing ?
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0-3 away win. I actually dreamt this last night, can't remember the last time I dreamt about Villa.
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More or less 50% of the goals we've conceded have come in the last 20 mins of games. I wonder if this is a fatigue / concentration thing ?
This seems to be a common theme in the Lambert years.
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This was also a common theme in the O'Neill era. We were known as a team that will get tired post 70 especially against top opposition.
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Add to this, we are the only team in the PL not to score yet beyond 76 minute. From what I can see we tire and drop deeper and deeper and give up almost entirely any sort of offensive play.
In short we put pressure on ourselves which invariably leads to a goal against.
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2-2...down here already as stopped at relations..raining
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This was also a common theme in the O'Neill era. We were known as a team that will get tired post 70 especially against top opposition.
I thought we were good at holding on to leads back then. I remember the one season when the Infamous Stoke game in March was the first time we had failed to hold onto a winning position all season, and we ended up with the best record in the league for winning games in which we had taken the lead.
Still didn't stop lots of people on the way out saying it had happened 'time and again' and 'we never learn'.
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If Vlaar can keep Bony quiet and the full backs can control the lines we should e good for 3 points today, I'll happily take the draw away from home. Woken up feeling remarkably healthy which must be a good omen, or maybe just why I feel optimistic.
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More or less 50% of the goals we've conceded have come in the last 20 mins of games. I wonder if this is a fatigue / concentration thing ?
This seems to be a common theme in the Lambert years.
We've been like this for years, during MON's time too.
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I reckon now with a very decent spine of Guzan, The Centre backs, Delph and Benteke we're going to win this and this will be our most comfortable result of the season.
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This was also a common theme in the O'Neill era. We were known as a team that will get tired post 70 especially against top opposition.
I thought we were good at holding on to leads back then. I remember the one season when the Infamous Stoke game in March was the first time we had failed to hold onto a winning position all season, and we ended up with the best record in the league for winning games in which we had taken the lead.
Interesting because I like others thought otherwise? My memory is reaching that 40 year mark so I could very well be wrong!
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I reckon now with a very decent spine of Guzan, The Centre backs, Delph and Benteke we're going to win this and this will be our most comfortable result of the season.
Correct.