Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Off Topic => Sports Arena => Topic started by: bertlambshank on December 18, 2014, 08:54:46 PM
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On Sky 2 for those like me who can't be arsed to pay for it.
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Since ditching Sky years ago I miss the darts more than the football.
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If I watch now I'll be too engrossed. The atmosphere is second to none.
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Well done ref.
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I think I'd miss American football more than football on Sky.
The darts is good, although it doesn't hot up until after Christmas and into January.
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Are there still two Darts World Championships ?
If so, why ?
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Are there still two Darts World Championships ?
If so, why ?
There are 2, although the beebs one is in name only as the standard is miles away from the PDC.
It is quite remarkable that a game/sport like darts can have such a Hollywood style story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_in_darts
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Bloke with a remarkable shaped head has just beaten the "Bronzed Adonis".
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Nine darter for Lewis to take the first set in the tie of the round against Barney.
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But still lost.
Meanwhile Huybrechts is starting to rattle Taylor.
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But still lost.
It's really engrossing, and the wife hates it. Which is why her being heavily pregnant and v. tired works well for the later matches of the evening.
I'd like Bunting to win and then say how easy it is in the PDC and go back to the BDO. Which obviously won't happen.
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Bunting's face cracks me up.
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I seriously hate this Snakebite Wright fellow, but I don't know why.
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I seriously hate this Snakebite Wright fellow, but I don't know why.
He does try too hard either whole dressing up thing.
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Don't blame him. Certain players are pretty much guaranteed to get in the Premier League. If you have something to make you stand out, such as ridiculous outfits and haircut, you have a better chance of getting invited.
Plus he's giving his missus' hairdressing business free advertising.
I don't really dislike any darts players except for Sex Pest Taylor, Martin "Chickeny" Adams and Juszzzzzzzztin Pipe.
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The semis could be RVB v VVDV or RVB v MVG or VVDV v MVG or MVG v RVB. Or Taylor v Bunting
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Cracking semi final between Van Gerwen and Anderson. Van Gerwen has a bit to do.
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Cracking semi final between Van Gerwen and Anderson. Van Gerwen has a bit to do.
Didn't expect that result. MVG's human after all.
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Anderson didn't miss much at all.
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Anderson's always been a brilliant scorer but his doubles and bottle let have let him down. It looks like he's exorcised those demons now... big acid test tomorrow though will we see new Anderson or the bad old bottle-merchant one?
I'd love to see him win it.
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Not having Sky I was looking forward to the Beeb darts. Seems they don't show the evening session live. Which is disappointing.
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Temporarily staying with my retired parents due to health reasons and my wife working full time throws up some interesting exchanges with my old man. Today was "How come you aren't watching any of the darts dad"?
"I'm not that bothered these days son. They've got two world titles or something these days"
"I used to have to sit through enough of it when I was a kid".
"You didn't have to. You could have f***ed off upstairs"!
Apparently the other night I woke up from a medication induced doze to find him watching Morse. He tells me I opened my eyes, said "Oh no, not f***ing Morse" and went straight back to sleep. He is having a lot of fun constantly reminding me about that one.
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The Bdo is on Bt Sport in the evening.
Anderson is my favourite player, if he keeps up his current form he should beat Taylor, but he's bound to be nervous on the final
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The Bdo is on Bt Sport in the evening.
Anderson is my favourite player, if he keeps up his current form he should beat Taylor, but he's bound to be nervous on the final
I think on current form its a real 50/50 final. Taylor and Anderson have very similar figures throughout the tournament.
I just hope Anderson can replicate his form so far, because the sex pest definitely will.
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I think Taylor will have the bottle. He has proved it before. Anderson,I'm not sure.
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My favourite fancy dress at these championships was on Friday and a bunch of people dressed as Marcel Marceau. Whilst all was bedlam around them, they just froze in various poses. Brilliant.
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Stand up if you chucked a seat,stand up if you chucked a seat.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jan/10/darts-match-melbourne-brawling-fans
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Good game this. Not on the same planet, quality-wise, as Anderson vs the Sex Offender in the other final but engaging nevertheless. Come on Scott!
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Good game this. Not on the same planet, quality-wise, as Anderson vs the Sex Offender in the other final but engaging nevertheless. Come on Scott!
I'm enjoying it a lot.
Only learnt last night that Phil Nixon died last year. Which quite saddened me.
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Good game this. Not on the same planet, quality-wise, as Anderson vs the Sex Offender in the other final but engaging nevertheless. Come on Scott!
I'm enjoying it a lot.
Only learnt last night that Phil Nixon died last year. Which quite saddened me.
Yeah it's been a great final. Has 'Wolfie' got a new partner? I'm sure he used to have a wife called Sharon?
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I wonder how much missing that 32 might haunt Mitchell.
Into the final set. Great stuff.
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What a 158 that was!
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I want 'Wolfie' to win because he's a villa fan.
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Great watch that was.
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Did Wolfie tell Scottie Dog to "Stop crying -you have just won the Championship"
or words to that effect ?
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Did Wolfie tell Scottie Dog to "Stop crying -you have just won the Championship"
or words to that effect ?
I thought he said something like "let it go", as in release the emotion.
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I thought Foxy came across okay when interviewed, to be fair.
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There was a lot of chat on Social Media last night about PDC V BDO. Undoubtedly the quality from the proffesionals is higher but there is something more earthy about Lakeside, many people noted that there seemed to be more interest in the actual darts at Frimley Green while Ally Pally is turning into a gigantic piss up and sing song with the darts beginning to come second. I can't comment having been to neither.
I did enjoy the Lakeside and Phil Taylor could learn a bit of class from Martin Adams, the reaction from the latter on defeat was very sportsmanlike where Taylor turned his back the moment he lost.
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I want 'Wolfie' to win because he's a villa fan.
Is he? How do you know that?
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I want 'Wolfie' to win because he's a villa fan.
Is he? How do you know that?
I think he means the Villa Wolfie rather than Martin Adams.
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There was a lot of chat on Social Media last night about PDC V BDO. Undoubtedly the quality from the proffesionals is higher but there is something more earthy about Lakeside, many people noted that there seemed to be more interest in the actual darts at Frimley Green while Ally Pally is turning into a gigantic piss up and sing song with the darts beginning to come second. I can't comment having been to neither.
I did enjoy the Lakeside and Phil Taylor could learn a bit of class from Martin Adams, the reaction from the latter on defeat was very sportsmanlike where Taylor turned his back the moment he lost.
I think it's noticeable that the crowd is younger at the PDC too and as you say seem to be there for the darts, rather than just to have a good time.
Imagine my missus will be happy that the BDO don't have glamour girls walking the players onto the stage.
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Taylor and MVG both gone - where's your money now ?
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I think any of about seven players could win it. Some brilliant matches this round. The Vans Derby, Wright vs Chisnall and the Battle of the Convicted Sex Offenders were all classics.
I think Anderson must be favourite now but I wouldn't be amazed if Wade knocks him out in the next round.
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Okay, so Taylor we know is a nonce, but Klaasen? What's he done?
Anyway, I reckon it's Wright's year as much as I hate his contrived "wacky" look.
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Anderson and Lewis must be favourites, as they've been there, got the t-shirt, but from what I've seen so far, I fancy Michael Smith as dark horse. That lad hits 180s like they're about to take the board away.
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I have a sneaking feeling that Lewis will win it. Think Wade needs to up his level as he has been steady, but not great so far.
Norris has to be the rank outsider.
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Okay, so Taylor we know is a nonce, but Klaasen? What's he done?
Sent naked photos of himself to a fifteen year old.
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I've a couple of quid each on Wade and Lewis. However, anyone could win this now.
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Okay, so Taylor we know is a nonce, but Klaasen? What's he done?
Sent naked photos of himself to a fifteen year old.
A quick google search indicates that it is not quite that simple.
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Not wanting to give money to Murdoch I have only seen one game and that was RVB knocking out Bunting, I have to say it was stunning and the quality was superb though.
I stand by last years comments though, the crowd seem almost oblivious to the Darts at times, but a game like that drew most in. And fair play to Dave Clark, battling Parkinson's but still working. And further plaudits for not being out off by The Crafty Conkney's enormous Turkey's Wattle.
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Anderson and Lewis must be favourites, as they've been there, got the t-shirt, but from what I've seen so far, I fancy Michael Smith as dark horse. That lad hits 180s like they're about to take the board away.
yes Michael is good looking
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Not wanting to give money to Murdoch I have only seen one game and that was RVB knocking out Bunting, I have to say it was stunning and the quality was superb though.
I stand by last years comments though, the crowd seem almost oblivious to the Darts at times, but a game like that drew most in. And fair play to Dave Clark, battling Parkinson's but still working. And further plaudits for not being out off by The Crafty Conkney's enormous Turkey's Wattle.
yeah
i havent seen that much only having sky sports 1 and 2 and its been mainly on 3 and sky sports darts ,,,,,they havent even been repeating last nights action the next morning on 1 or 2
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Lewis in danger of blowing this.
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Anderson 9 darter.
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Ridiculously good performance by Anderson.
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Lewis needs to start well tomorrow - once Anderson gets his nose in front, he's just running away with games at the moment. If Lewis can pressure him for the first four sets and make him miss a few doubles, it might be a classic.
Repeat of the 2011 final, which I went to with a mate and our wives. Can't believe that was five years ago, seems like two or three at the most...must be getting old.
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Lewis needs to start well tomorrow - once Anderson gets his nose in front, he's just running away with games at the moment. If Lewis can pressure him for the first four sets and make him miss a few doubles, it might be a classic.
Everything is unfolding as I have forseen it...
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It was a good, rather than a great, final. It was the best tournament ever though I reckon.
Anderson is a deserving champion.
Scotland now World tennis AND darts champions. What a time to be alive. :-)
Apart from the fucking football...
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Ted Hankey looked pissed up again last night, crap darts.
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Ted Hankey looked pissed up again last night, crap darts.
Really weird I thought. Looked stoned to me.
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Ted Hankey looked pissed up again last night, crap darts.
Really weird I thought. Looked stoned to me.
He played as bad as he looked.
The Montgomery/Jamie Hughes game was great.They played the wrong walk-on music for the Scotsman and he never really turned up but was well wound up by Hughes. A classic "putting coat on and storming off" as well post game.
I could do without Colin "fucking" Murray, as I can every year and when Tony Green commentates on the womens games it's excrutiating, patronising in the extreme.
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A couple of years ago Hankey looked like death, was throwing some shocking darts, barely hitting the board, and was getting some terrible stick from the crowd who were booing because they thought he was pissed. Turned out he’d had a stroke
The BBC darts is like watching a bunch of ale-house spear chuckers compared with the PDC on Sky
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The BBC darts is like watching a bunch of ale-house spear chuckers compared with the PDC on Sky
The BBC's contract with the BDO expires after this event, and I don't think they've announced whether they're extending it yet. Might finally be the end of the line...
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Watched it today. Really is poor not just compared to PDC but ti all county players up and down the country.
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Watched it today. Really is poor not just compared to PDC but ti all county players up and down the country.
sounds like they have a microphone inside the actual board
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A man from Japan, a woman from New Zealand and a lesbian from Redditch who dyes her hair pink.
Beat that PDC!
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A man from Japan, a woman from New Zealand and a lesbian from Redditch who dyes her hair pink.
Beat that PDC!
The PDC at Ally Pally played Boney M's "Rasputin" as a walk-on tune for one of the Russian players.
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I saw one clip of a darts player scoring 9, three treble 1's... good grouping mind!
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BBC were creaming themselves today that the world number 1 who won 4-0 (I think) had an average of 95. He'd be knocked out first round at the PDC with those numbers.
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BBC were creaming themselves today that the world number 1 who won 4-0 (I think) had an average of 95. He'd be knocked out first round at the PDC with those numbers.
It's not a fair comparison though surely? Professionals as opposed to amateurs and the BBC are hardly going to rubbish their own tournament as the expense of one they don't cover. I enjoy both tournaments (although only get to watch the PDC in the pub or someone's house) there is a difference in quality, but there is drama in both. If you transfer that kind of snobbery to football, nothing is worth watching outside of the Premier League.
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The team that wins League Two doesn't call themselves "World Champions" though. I watch a bit of the BDO. Some of the characters are interesting, they do more to promote the women's game and it's fun to speculate which of them could make the switch.
It's embarrassing insisting that it's a World Championship though and I wish they'd accepted Hearn's offer to be taken over by PDC.
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BBC were creaming themselves today that the world number 1 who won 4-0 (I think) had an average of 95. He'd be knocked out first round at the PDC with those numbers.
Not true. PDC averages in the first round are almost always under 100 and often around 90 - they don't tend to climb well north of 95 until it gets to best of 9 sets and the seeds start running into one another. Norris averaged 95 for the tournament and he got to the quarters and should really have won that game.
Part of that is, as anyone who's played in stats recorded competition will tell you, your numbers will go up when you play better players. Because you don't get the opportunity to miss doubles, which is the thing that really kills your average.
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Didn't Gary Anderson just win the PDC final with an average of less than 100?
Not being a Sky wanker I have to make do with the BDO, while I have no doubt the standard is lower, I love it. Watching the prelims, women, youth final, I doubt there's much of that in the PDC Championships.
And worth remembering, in the 8 world championships Anderson played in the BDO he got past round 2 twice, one QF and one SF. In the 7 for the PDC he's reached 3 finals. Would he have done that without his BDO 'apprenticeship'? How many top players in the PDC didn't start in the BDO? I'm not fully up on the PDC but can only think of Lewis off the top of my head and the Taylor clout probably helped him.
And I for one am glad they told Hearn and Sky to feck off.
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I can't watch that shit on the BBC - as much for the fact that Colin Murray's on it as for the pub-level darts.
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Didn't Gary Anderson just win the PDC final with an average of less than 100?
Not being a Sky wanker I have to make do with the BDO, while I have no doubt the standard is lower, I love it. Watching the prelims, women, youth final, I doubt there's much of that in the PDC Championships.
And worth remembering, in the 8 world championships Anderson played in the BDO he got past round 2 twice, one QF and one SF. In the 7 for the PDC he's reached 3 finals. Would he have done that without his BDO 'apprenticeship'? How many top players in the PDC didn't start in the BDO? I'm not fully up on the PDC but can only think of Lewis off the top of my head and the Taylor clout probably helped him.
And I for one am glad they told Hearn and Sky to feck off.
Telling Sky to fuck off won't mean that it remains on the BBC though. They've not renewed the contract beyond this season.
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I can't watch that shit on the BBC - as much for the fact that Colin Murray's on it as for the pub-level darts.
I've managed to avoid Murray who has been (w)anchoring the Beebs afternoon coverage. It's on BT Sport of an evening with Ray Stubbs, who might be a bit dull but doesn't try to be oh so fucking clever and beam a smugness that could cut through steel.
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I've managed to avoid Murray who has been (w)anchoring the Beebs afternoon coverage. It's on BT Sport of an evening with Ray Stubbs, who might be a bit dull but doesn't try to be oh so fucking clever and beam a smugness that could cut through steel.
I like Colin Murray, so there.
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I've managed to avoid Murray who has been (w)anchoring the Beebs afternoon coverage. It's on BT Sport of an evening with Ray Stubbs, who might be a bit dull but doesn't try to be oh so fucking clever and beam a smugness that could cut through steel.
I like Colin Murray, so there.
I think the only thing that stopped him getting regularly punched in the face by strangers was because he wore glasses. All bets are off now.
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PDC v BDO
https://www.facebook.com/mickywilliams1210/videos/1752736131621179/
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just watching Hughes in the semi of the BDO thing. In the leg I've just watched he has hit 30, 23, and 43. He's 'world' ranked number 4.
To answer PWS, PDC doesn't have youths as the BDO is a feeder into the PDC. PDC couldn't work without players that come through BDOand to be fair there are one or two who can make it and do. BDO runs darts from county level upwards - as in players come through there into the BDO set-up - but as being said although the quality between the two is huge to call the winner of the tournament a 'World champion' is a bit silly. It took a while before the beeb website even recognised the PDC world tournament on its page which is even more silly.
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Another thing I've noticed is that there have been a few miscounts from the scorer. the youth final saw someone score 12 amd it was called 13. I saw another one in another game and just watching the repeat of the semi and a treble 20, two treble 19s was called as 177 instead of 174. It's basic.
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And how was the standard in that one? I'd bet anything if i'd watched the PDC this year i'd see players having awful legs, or even games as the nerves and pressure gets to them as they seemed to with Hughes.
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The difference being the lay-ups and the finishing. of course nerves comes into it but with the PDC you very rarely get 20+ legs whereas you will see them quite regularly in the BDO. Also, you won't have legs where 9 darts don't even add up to 100. Nerves or not that really is very poor quality for someone ranked number 100 never mind number 4.
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And the BDO isn't a feeder to the PDC as that makes it sound like the pyramid system in football, it's just that a splinter organisation backed by Sky money poaches players and doesn't really give a toss about the game apart from the big money glamour of the 'top' players. Which sounds rather familiar with Sky.
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And no one has said the standard isn't higher in the PDC, of course it is they basically buy the best players by luring them with more money, but I don't agree with the way the BDO is being put down on here.
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Hearn, I think it was, stated that the PDC needed the BDO as its where they got their players from and it feeder as a feeder to the PDC. Not sure why that is seen as a negative as its the reality. To make it in darts, to be professional and earn money, you need to be in the PDC. That's not a bad thing because the BDO cannot or could not before the split afford to offer the prize money that the PDC can. BDO does a good job in bringing players through but shouldn't be hosting a tournament and calling it a world championship as it clearly isn't. BDO players coming through hope to join the PDC and the winner of the youth tournament said that he wanted to go to the PDC qualifying school (I think it's called) and eventually turn professional.
If they want to keep themselves separate then fair enough but I'm not really sure why they want to do it.
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I think it started out like that in the early days PWS, but you look at the venues the PDC plays now and the tickets they sell, and it's a quantum leap forward from where it was, and not all the money comes from Sky any more.
The BDO is what it is, it's the grassroots of the game, but it's like the days not so long ago when the FA or the RFU were run by the old farts in blazers - the sharp end of the game has to move on.
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I don't see why they should change the name of the tournament they'd been having for 20 years or however long it was, just because the PDC came along. Besides, you could make the same claim as to why does the PDC call itself the World Championship when it doesn't have every best players in the world competing in it. It may have most of them but it doesn't have all of them.
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I think it started out like that in the early days PWS, but you look at the venues the PDC plays now and the tickets they sell, and it's a quantum leap forward from where it was, and not all the money comes from Sky any more.
The BDO is what it is, it's the grassroots of the game, but it's like the days not so long ago when the FA or the RFU were run by the old farts in blazers - the sharp end of the game has to move on.
The PDC started in 1992 and the first TV events were all Sky. Without knowing Sky would back them early on I doubt the split would have happened. What else did Sky pump money into in 1992 after it split from it's founders? And now it's just like the PL imo. All money and glamour for the top level but only a token effort to do anything at a lower level.
I'll also add that the BDO have to take a large amount of blame for the split as they let the game drop in late 80s/early 90s with TV and sponsorship, and were too slow or set in their ways to change things.
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Just flicked the BDO on for the first time tonight.
Everything about it smacks Aston Villa.
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Just flicked the BDO on for the first time tonight.
Everything about it smacks Aston Villa.
Except somebody won
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Just flicked the BDO on for the first time tonight.
Everything about it smacks Aston Villa.
Except somebody won
Well it wasn't darts that won...
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And the BDO isn't a feeder to the PDC as that makes it sound like the pyramid system in football, it's just that a splinter organisation backed by Sky money poaches players and doesn't really give a toss about the game apart from the big money glamour of the 'top' players. Which sounds rather familiar with Sky.
I'm shocked that people playing a sport would want to be well paid, rather than treating as a hobby and having to combine it with a job. The problem the BDO had is it was marketed and sold amateurishly. They could have avoided the split otherwise.
Even now it just looks cheap. Even the scorer keeps making mistakes which is pretty pathetic.
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And the BDO isn't a feeder to the PDC as that makes it sound like the pyramid system in football, it's just that a splinter organisation backed by Sky money poaches players and doesn't really give a toss about the game apart from the big money glamour of the 'top' players. Which sounds rather familiar with Sky.
I'm shocked that people playing a sport would want to be well paid, rather than treating as a hobby and having to combine it with a job. The problem the BDO had is it was marketed and sold amateurishly. They could have avoided the split otherwise.
Which is what I said here.
I'll also add that the BDO have to take a large amount of blame for the split as they let the game drop in late 80s/early 90s with TV and sponsorship, and were too slow or set in their ways to change things.
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You expect me to read all the relevant posts before jumping in with my ill-informed points of view? I never have before!
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The BBC have signed a deal with the PDC to show Champions League darts. Proper darts!
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And they've dropped the BDO to do it.
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Disappointing that they've dropped the BDO. The standard was lower but you got to see players you'd never normally see. So instead of an interesting 9 days of darts it will be 2 days of darts featuring the usual suspects. As I don't have Sky etc I am disappointed.
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Hopefully this will lead to a merger with the BBC getting highlights of the proper World Championship instead of the pub version they have at Lakeside.