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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on October 18, 2014, 08:51:31 PM
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Whenever the Paul Lambert reign ends (and with the new contract it won't be for a while yet) one of the defining marks of his reign to me will be our total failure to build on matches and moments of momentum during his reign.
I touched on this a few times last season but it's staggering to see who bad we are after we claim an unexpected result, infact it's embarassing. I will list the instances as it has to be seen to be believed.
12/13
Unexpected result- Liverpool 1 Aston Villa 3
Immediate 4 results afterwards- Chelsea 8 Villa 0
Villa 0 Spurs 4
Villa 0 Wigan 3
Swansea 2 Villa 2
13/14
Unexpected result- Arsenal 1 Villa 3
Immediate 3 results afterwards- Chelsea 2 Villa 1
Villa 0 Liverpool 1
Villa 1 Newcastle 2
Unexpected result- Villa 3 Man. City 2
Immediate 4 results afterwards- Hull 0 Villa 0
Villa 0 Spurs 2
Villa 0 Everton 2
West Ham 0 Villa 0
Unexpected result- Villa 1 Chelsea 0
Immediate 4 results afterwards- Villa 1 Stoke 4
Man. United 4 Villa 1
Villa 1 Fulham 2
Palace 1 Villa 0
Unexpectd result 14 - Liverpool 0 Villa 1
Immediate 4 result- Villa 0 Arsenal 3
Chelsea 3 Villa 0
Villa 0 Man City 1
Everton 3 Villa 0
So for any budding Sports psychologists out there, why do we turn so badly in the aftermath of those shock wins as I'd like to know as that is one of the main reasons we're fighting relegation season in season out these days instead of mid table respectability at least.
Do we put so much into the unexpected win we feel it for the games after? Is there complacency and a lack of intensity in training as the players relax mentally knowing they've got 3 points earlier than expected?
I think we all knew points would be hard to come by in this run of games, even after winning at Anfield but I doubt anyone thought it would be an aggregate of 11-0 against us, surely we should be expecting better than that at least?
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On the flipside I doubt many had us down for more than 3 points from those 5, and I bet a fair few wouldn't have thought we'd get that many.
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On the flipside I doubt many had us down for more than 3 points from those 5, and I bet a fair few wouldn't have thought we'd get that many.
Yeah probably from the five I thought maybe we'd get a draw today and v Arsenal and Man. City so at a push 3 points.
Just frustrating we did the hard work by getting 3 straight away and have come up trumps yet again with a dismal run of form.
I will say though in defence we were unlucky with this run of fixtures and the sickness bug v Arsenal, which at 100% would've been a game we could've got something out of.
In an ideal world it would've been nice to have Burnley or QPR at home straight after liverpool to continue momentum so I am cutting Lambert some stack although today was dreadful.
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It's important we don't get beat by QPR to stop the run of defeats. We've not had an easy time of it with the fixtures, the footballing equivalent of the 38th parallel trying to negotiate that lot. It comes to something when even "skint" Everton spent four times as much as we did this summer on one player.
That's what it comes down to; quality. Quality breeds consistency. We have it in certain departments, but given the quality of squad, you cannot say when that day is going to be where we click.
We're not as good as the first four games suggested and we're not as bad as these past four games have shown either. The solution rests in investment.
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It is frustrating. I don't know why it happens. I do think our training leaves much to be desired.
I do wonder if there is a link between Keane being MIA during the international breaks and us looking completely awful just afterwards.
That doesn't explain last season obviously, but something else to put into the autopsy.
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We normally draw the fifth after four dire results. If we do lose against qpr he will have to go..... but probably won't.
If we win it will just be papering over the cracks, the guy is a buffoon of the highest order. I can't wait for the day his reign is over and I certainly have no interest in going to watch his team play.
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Without wishing to repeat myself it's because he's a terrible manager who should be sacked. Now.
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Sadly I think we're stuck with him till at least when Lerner finds a buyer.
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Should have gone after the Sheffield utd cup game. He's awful
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We normally draw the fifth after four dire results. If we do lose against qpr he will have to go..... but probably won't.
If we win it will just be papering over the cracks, the guy is a buffoon of the highest order. I can't wait for the day his reign is over and I certainly have no interest in going to watch his team play.
This 100%.
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It is frustrating. I don't know why it happens. I do think our training leaves much to be desired.
I do wonder if there is a link between Keane being MIA during the international breaks and us looking completely awful just afterwards.
That doesn't explain last season obviously, but something else to put into the autopsy.
I haven't looked at the stats, but I would like to see what our record after international breaks is like under Lambert. From what I can remember, we haven't done well after them.
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it's not so much the results that bother me. It's the manner in which they arrived. Our GD is -8 now. I'd take a bad a GD if in the process we had a proper a go at teams and scored a few along the way. Instead it's almost like we went into this stretch with the mindset of just getting through them with as little damage as possible. Pray we don't get completely battered. What a shit and negative way to think or approach games. A defeatist mentality.
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Toronto spot on, that is exactly what he has tryed to do in these last 5 games, damage limitation. We all knew these were a hard set of games to encounter one after the other and not many believe that we would get alot out of them, but it is the abject way we accept defeat that pisses me off.
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I'm sure someone said last season that the good results were more by luck than good management. It certainly seems that way sometimes. Having said that I had a villa mug for my birthday and we haven't won since
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True, many of the players aren't very good, but we should be getting more out of the group we've got.
The manager is poor, but what makes matters worse is a lack of pressure for him to succeed. His remit is to obey Randy Lerner, not rock the boat and keep the club in the Premier League. As long as he succeeds in those respects, he'll keep his job. He'll probably keep his job if we go down as Randy trusts him and won't want to get burned by yet another disastrous managerial appointment. He's coasting.
Most chairmen would have sacked Lambert months ago, but not Lerner. He hasn't the stomach for it, won't want to pay Lambert off and won't want to go through the drawn-out business of finding a replacement.
Not only that, but he still doesn't get football. He doesn't understand that pressure is a vital part of the machine of football management. And to add to it all, he doesn't appear to be anchored to any kind of reality, as his frequently bizarre statements and reclusive behaviour suggest. As well intentioned as he might be, he's been very foolish and there's little to suggest that will change soon.
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I wouldn't say it's complacency I just think it's total and utter ineptitude. It's a manager who ultimately is out of his depth in Premier League level tactically and stylistically. We're losing 2-3 players away from being a side that could go down. Had Lambert to this point suffered the same injury to the spine of his side that McLeish did in the run in, I think we'd have gone down. As it is, though we've had piss poor luck with injuries (is it just luck, or our training?) but not quite as bad as when McLeish lost Dunne, Petrov and Bent within a month. At that point we were poor but reasonably comfortable in mid-table. But losing our best defender, best midfielder and top scorer shatted us up.
If we were to end up without Vlaar, Delph and Benteke for the last three months. We're gone. Simple as that. So keep your fingers crossed everyone. As it is my only positive with Delph's injury and Bentekes is, that they're early season. Vlaar tends to be a few weeks to a month off kind of guy. As yet, not long term, so hopefully that doesn't change for us.
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You could say that about any side below 8th.
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You could say that about any side below 8th.
That's true, though some players to us have become too important. With a lot of the lower clubs even some of their better players are interchangeable. Someone will come in and offer more or less the same. Ultimately I want us to be where we should be, and that's to be better than the clubs in the bottom 10, and be able to cope if we lose one midfielder.
At the very least, we've got to put out sides that look like they know what they're doing. Which in the vast majority of games under Lambo doesn't happen. Leicester for example look a very well drilled and balanced side. For a club many had as certs for relegation they've largely surprised. Early days yet of course, but they'll probably stay up and in no small part because they look very well managed.
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IMO we really lack being game-savvy, having more intensity, giving oppos something to think about, doing the unexpected ... all the things that the manager / coaching staff should be drilling into the players.
I don't think we have a particularly bad squad: we have a good blend of youth and experience and some of the players have played at a decent level. The challenge is the footballing style and ethos, which is completely absent.
All of which is down to Lambert.
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I'm just sick of other sides, and not even always the top sides, making controlling and passing a football look a hell of a lot easier than we seemed to make it look. We look like we're passing a hand grenade without the pin in around the pitch. Every player looks like they have the fear of McGrath in them as if they're gonna get their foot blown off.
If you ever threw a spider at a girl when you were younger. Picture her reaction, her body mannerisms, her facial expression. It's not too dissimilar to most of our players when the ball comes to their feet. I wish I was exaggerating too. What's so fucking terrifying about a football? Whatever it might be, it seems Aston Villa FC have discovered it.
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About 5-10 minutes into the game yesterday, after watching Everton pass the ball around without us getting anywhere near it, i turned to my mate and said 'this could be a really easy win for Everton' and that's exactly how it turned out. It was all a bit predictable.
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Most chairmen would have sacked Lambert months ago, but not Lerner. He hasn't the stomach for it, won't want to pay Lambert off and won't want to go through the drawn-out business of finding a replacement.
Just watching Match of the Day extra and they are talking about QPR v Villa as a must win for QPR, otherwise Rednapp might get the sack. The pressure is certainly on him. Conversely, we all know Lambert is safe whatever happens. When you add the infuriating habit of teams that need a result tending to get one against the Villa, it's a bit worrying. Having said that it'll probably end up 0-0 which will be no good for anyone.
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A draw at QPR wouldn't be a bad result, stops the rot. It's important we don't get beat. QPR are a very poor side though and I wouldn't be surprised if they're relegated, so a win is not out of reach.
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Paul Lambert will only lose his job if we are relegated - and even then he may not.
He is doing his job to the letter - "Keep Aston Villa in the Premiership"
How he achieves that is immaterial to the owner.
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A draw at QPR wouldn't be a bad result, stops the rot. It's important we don't get beat. QPR are a very poor side though and I wouldn't be surprised if they're relegated, so a win is not out of reach.
I think it's a must win. The following three games look very difficult on paper. Even the West Ham game. I don't think a draw does enough to stop the rot as we could easily go the next four games without winning. By the same token though, QPR will be approaching that game as if it's a must win too, as they've got a horrible run of fixtures after us.
It'll depend on who wants it more or who's more adventurous. Given both managers this season it's gonna be an absolute nightmare to sit through. It's probably going to be an awful game of football.
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A draw at QPR wouldn't be a bad result, stops the rot. It's important we don't get beat. QPR are a very poor side though and I wouldn't be surprised if they're relegated, so a win is not out of reach.
It's certainly a 6 pointer.
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Personally, aside from a physical assault on Lerner by Lambert, I can't think of any circumstances that would lead to his dismissal. I include relegation in that. I think we are stuck with him until the club is sold but day by day, match by match, defeat by defeat - our saleability is reducing all the time.
Not an attractive or optimistic prospect but a realistic view IMHO.
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I wouldn't say it's complacency I just think it's total and utter ineptitude. It's a manager who ultimately is out of his depth in Premier League level tactically and stylistically. We're losing 2-3 players away from being a side that could go down. Had Lambert to this point suffered the same injury to the spine of his side that McLeish did in the run in, I think we'd have gone down. As it is, though we've had piss poor luck with injuries (is it just luck, or our training?) but not quite as bad as when McLeish lost Dunne, Petrov and Bent within a month. At that point we were poor but reasonably comfortable in mid-table. But losing our best defender, best midfielder and top scorer shatted us up.
If we were to end up without Vlaar, Delph and Benteke for the last three months. We're gone. Simple as that. So keep your fingers crossed everyone. As it is my only positive with Delph's injury and Bentekes is, that they're early season. Vlaar tends to be a few weeks to a month off kind of guy. As yet, not long term, so hopefully that doesn't change for us.
Only thing I'd say to is if Lambert is incompetent (and I concede there's been enough turmoil in the two years he's been here to suggest he is rather than he isn't) how does he come up with these excellent game plans to beat Chelsea at home and Liverpool and Arsenal away?
If it was only happening once or twice a season then I'd agree it's luck. I thought the way we won the Man. City home game for example last season was a total fluke with Bacuna's free kick flying in at a crucial time.
However we do usually come up with this sort of unexpected result/performance once a month so is it just law of averages that eventually good players like Vlaar, Delph, Gabby and Benteke will all click and play well or does Lambert's tactics only work well against specific teams e.g us always putting in amazing performances at Anfield for some reason.
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If he actually had game plans, then surely he'd have more than 89 points from 84 games in charge of Villa, and not a -50 goal difference. Woeful.
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QPR at home a must win says it all
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I wouldn't say it's complacency I just think it's total and utter ineptitude. It's a manager who ultimately is out of his depth in Premier League level tactically and stylistically. We're losing 2-3 players away from being a side that could go down. Had Lambert to this point suffered the same injury to the spine of his side that McLeish did in the run in, I think we'd have gone down. As it is, though we've had piss poor luck with injuries (is it just luck, or our training?) but not quite as bad as when McLeish lost Dunne, Petrov and Bent within a month. At that point we were poor but reasonably comfortable in mid-table. But losing our best defender, best midfielder and top scorer shatted us up.
If we were to end up without Vlaar, Delph and Benteke for the last three months. We're gone. Simple as that. So keep your fingers crossed everyone. As it is my only positive with Delph's injury and Bentekes is, that they're early season. Vlaar tends to be a few weeks to a month off kind of guy. As yet, not long term, so hopefully that doesn't change for us.
Only thing I'd say to is if Lambert is incompetent (and I concede there's been enough turmoil in the two years he's been here to suggest he is rather than he isn't) how does he come up with these excellent game plans to beat Chelsea at home and Liverpool and Arsenal away?
If it was only happening once or twice a season then I'd agree it's luck. I thought the way we won the Man. City home game for example last season was a total fluke with Bacuna's free kick flying in at a crucial time.
However we do usually come up with this sort of unexpected result/performance once a month so is it just law of averages that eventually good players like Vlaar, Delph, Gabby and Benteke will all click and play well or does Lambert's tactics only work well against specific teams e.g us always putting in amazing performances at Anfield for some reason.
Because his one and only game plan is to counter attack, which is why we sometimes fair better against team who come at us and leave gaps behind their back 4. Just not when they take their chances (the last 4 games).
With our first 11 we are better than last year. But the plan is the same, so when we have injuries (to key players like Vlaar, Senderos (!) and Delph we struggle.
I long gave up on Lambert + the two. I'm still willing to give Lambert + Keane a go. But my patience is wafer thin once again. We are now 3 points above the bottom 3, early days but it's starting to feel a bit groundhog day.
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Lerner, Lambert and mcleish have all contributed to create a culture of defeat. The team doesn't have any kind of leadership, winning mentality or confidence. We seem to get a few shock results every once in a while but on the whole we are a very poor and disorganised team which is incapable of a good run of results. We've been like this for last 4 or 5 seasons and the rot is well established. Nothing is going to change with the two "leaders" in charge of our once great club
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When teams such as Southampton and Hull, who were in the Championship not so long ago, are making a decent fist of it in the Premiership the excuses for Lerner and Lambert are rapidly running out.
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Lerner, Lambert and mcleish have all contributed to create a culture of defeat. The team doesn't have any kind of leadership, winning mentality or confidence. We seem to get a few shock results every once in a while but on the whole we are a very poor and disorganised team which is incapable of a good run of results. We've been like this for last 4 or 5 seasons and the rot is well established. Nothing is going to change with the two "leaders" in charge of our once great club
This is it for me. It's destroyed our once promising youngsters who have no expectation of anything other than defeat now. I would think some of the win percentages for those players are awfully low. You could see it on Saturday, it was so easy for Everton yet not one player looked annoyed, upset, bothered. There was no professional pride about how comfortably the opposition strolled to victory, just a bizarre acceptance of the norm. I used to think Weimann would end up the pick of the Bodymoor produced players because he was a niggly bugger who hated losing but he is the same as all the others now. They don't seem to have any pressure of them to succeed. It might well need a mass clear out to change the culture.
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Lambert's reign reminds me in some ways of Houiller's season, a case of one step forward then three back. A good win every now and again, the hope that we'll kick on only to follow it by a few defeats. I'm not overly sure, but i think Saturday's defeat might have been the 4th or 5th time we've lost 4 on the trot under Lambert.
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I think we've just been badly outclassed in the most recent games and the limitations of how we play have been exposed and its left us solidly in mid-table. Within spitting distance of both the top and bottom six.
I'd like to see a bit of imagination ahead of the next three games in the midfield set up and players selected.
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Lambert's reign reminds me in some ways of Houiller's season, a case of one step forward then three back. A good win every now and again, the hope that we'll kick on only to follow it by a few defeats. I'm not overly sure, but i think Saturday's defeat might have been the 4th or 5th time we've lost 4 on the trot under Lambert.
Well we've had under him
5 games without a win Sep 22- Nov 3 2012
1 win in 6 Nov 10 - Dec 15 2012
9 games without a win Dec 23 - Feb 10 2013
1 win in 7 Oct 5 - Dec 4 2013
5 games without a win Dec 8 - Jan 4 2014
1 win in 7 Jan 13 - Mar 4 2014
1 win in 9 Mar 23 - May 11 2014
4 losses in a row Sep 20 -Oct 18 2014
So basically for 52 games out of 84 games under him we've been in bad runs. I wouldn't say it's complacency I'd say he's shit and getting beaten is the norm.
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New record alert!
Apparently we've never gone 5 PL games without scoring.
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New record alert!
Apparently we've never gone 5 PL games without scoring.
We look like we could obliterate that record at the moment. Draw a blank against QPR and I don't see us scoring against Spurs. We don't generally score too many against West Ham either. Southampton also look a class above us at the moment.
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Have we ever had a game under Lambert where the opposition keeper has been man of the match?
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Have we ever had a game under Lambert where the opposition keeper has been man of the match?
Cardiff away spring to mind.
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Have we ever had a game under Lambert where the opposition keeper has been man of the match?
Can't think of one. I can think of plenty where Guzan took the honours for us. We've only properly blitzed a couple of sides under Lambert. The Sunderland home win, 6-1, and spanking Norwich 4-1 last season. I can't see us mullering anyone this season unfortunately. I'd be interested to count up the amount of times we've scored more than 2 in a game under Lambert. I don't think it'd be many at all.
When he came, and I believe he even said as much, I think many of us expected to concede a lot, but equally to score a fair few too. Win a game 4-3, lose a game 4-3. End up mid-table but be reasonably entertained. It's been nowt like that though.
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Lambert's reign reminds me in some ways of Houiller's season, a case of one step forward then three back. A good win every now and again, the hope that we'll kick on only to follow it by a few defeats. I'm not overly sure, but i think Saturday's defeat might have been the 4th or 5th time we've lost 4 on the trot under Lambert.
Well we've had under him
5 games without a win Sep 22- Nov 3 2012
1 win in 6 Nov 10 - Dec 15 2012
9 games without a win Dec 23 - Feb 10 2013
1 win in 7 Oct 5 - Dec 4 2013
5 games without a win Dec 8 - Jan 4 2014
1 win in 7 Jan 13 - Mar 4 2014
1 win in 9 Mar 23 - May 11 2014
4 losses in a row Sep 20 -Oct 18 2014
So basically for 52 games out of 84 games under him we've been in bad runs. I wouldn't say it's complacency I'd say he's shit and getting beaten is the norm.
I'd agree with this. As well as the numerous bad runs you highlighted how many good runs have we had under him? I bet we've never gone above the 4 unbeaten at the start of this season. Which now I think about it included the 4th exit to lower league opposition in his reign so can we even call it 4 unbeaten? Being useless is the norm, good results are aberrations.
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In Lamberts 2 and a bit seasons we've scored more than twice in only 11 Prem games. I can't bring myself to count how many times we've conceded more than 2 in a game. That would make horrific reading.
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Lambert's reign reminds me in some ways of Houiller's season, a case of one step forward then three back. A good win every now and again, the hope that we'll kick on only to follow it by a few defeats. I'm not overly sure, but i think Saturday's defeat might have been the 4th or 5th time we've lost 4 on the trot under Lambert.
Well we've had under him
5 games without a win Sep 22- Nov 3 2012
1 win in 6 Nov 10 - Dec 15 2012
9 games without a win Dec 23 - Feb 10 2013
1 win in 7 Oct 5 - Dec 4 2013
5 games without a win Dec 8 - Jan 4 2014
1 win in 7 Jan 13 - Mar 4 2014
1 win in 9 Mar 23 - May 11 2014
4 losses in a row Sep 20 -Oct 18 2014
So basically for 52 games out of 84 games under him we've been in bad runs. I wouldn't say it's complacency I'd say he's shit and getting beaten is the norm.
I'd agree with this. As well as the numerous bad runs you highlighted how many good runs have we had under him? I bet we've never gone above the 4 unbeaten at the start of this season. Which now I think about it included the 4th exit to lower league opposition in his reign so can we even call it 4 unbeaten? Being useless is the norm, good results are aberrations.
Didn't we do 5 unbeaten in his first season. Unfortunately this was just before the horrendous 15-0 run over crimbo, so it counted for very little.
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Didn't we do 5 unbeaten in his first season. Unfortunately this was just before the horrendous 15-0 run over crimbo, so it counted for very little.
Yes I think you're right, with the cup win at Carrow Road and the Benteke demolition job at Anfield coming at the end of it. Cue implosion from us. A bit like after the Chelsea win last season. The bad times seem to last a lot longer.
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Would be interesting to see on how many occassions we've won consecutive PL games under him.
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Would be interesting to see on how many occassions we've won consecutive PL games under him.
I think we did it twice in 12/13 and twice in 13/14
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Not forgetting this season against Hull & Liverpool
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In Lamberts 2 and a bit seasons we've scored more than twice in only 11 Prem games. I can't bring myself to count how many times we've conceded more than 2 in a game. That would make horrific reading.
Conceded more than 2 twenty times, almost a quarter of all league games.
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In Lamberts 2 and a bit seasons we've scored more than twice in only 11 Prem games. I can't bring myself to count how many times we've conceded more than 2 in a game. That would make horrific reading.
Conceded more than 2 twenty times, almost a quarter of all league games.
Which included quite a few 4's, and of course the 8. Painful.
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A draw at QPR wouldn't be a bad result, stops the rot. It's important we don't get beat. QPR are a very poor side though and I wouldn't be surprised if they're relegated, so a win is not out of reach.
Seeing how QPR played at the weekend, if they repeat that, Villa might struggle and 'arry tends to do well against Villa, so I'm feeling worried. Lambert doesn't engender confidence, just the same old bullshit when asked for comments.
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In Lamberts 2 and a bit seasons we've scored more than twice in only 11 Prem games. I can't bring myself to count how many times we've conceded more than 2 in a game. That would make horrific reading.
In the first 3 seasons of Pubehead we did it 17 times (I think) with a side that cost shit loads more than the current one. So by the end of this season there won't be that big a difference considering the difference in money spent.
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In Lamberts 2 and a bit seasons we've scored more than twice in only 11 Prem games. I can't bring myself to count how many times we've conceded more than 2 in a game. That would make horrific reading.
In the first 3 seasons of Pubehead we did it 17 times (I think) with a side that cost shit loads more than the current one. So by the end of this season there won't be that big a difference considering the difference in money spent.
It's easier to take when you're finishing 6th in the league though.
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In Lamberts 2 and a bit seasons we've scored more than twice in only 11 Prem games. I can't bring myself to count how many times we've conceded more than 2 in a game. That would make horrific reading.
In the first 3 seasons of Pubehead we did it 17 times (I think) with a side that cost shit loads more than the current one. So by the end of this season there won't be that big a difference considering the difference in money spent.
I think a difference with Pubehead was the style we expected when he signed, and it worked out like that. Solid, organised, tough to beat, which on the whole we were. We found an effective way to attack on the counter. I think we expected a lot of 1-0 wins, maybe 2-0's here and there.
What we expected with Lambert was more of a gung-ho approach. A lot of us figured we'd concede freely, but also score a lot. As it happens we concede a lot but don't attack much and always look pretty toothless.
Under O Neill we had a tendancy to just coast once we'd gone 2 up on someone. Occasionally of course it bit us on the arse. We had the talent to put a lot more teams to the sword, like we did against Derby for example, but we didn't do it enough. Ultimately, and I'm thinking of games like Stoke 2-2, that in part was what scuppered us getting top four.
Ultimately what O Neill did which Lambert has barely ever managed, is sent out a side that looked pretty solid, organised and well drilled. We did plod at home somtimes but we didn't look particularly like headless chickens. We didn't gift the ball away at every given opportunity. We just lacked a bit of guile when we were on the front foot. We're not even an effective counter attacking side under Lambert anymore because we can't rarely get the ball from back to front. Under O Neill we never really lost that ability, and even at home we played like Barca in comparison to how we play now at VP under Lambo.
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In Lamberts 2 and a bit seasons we've scored more than twice in only 11 Prem games. I can't bring myself to count how many times we've conceded more than 2 in a game. That would make horrific reading.
Once. And the next two seasons?
In the first 3 seasons of Pubehead we did it 17 times (I think) with a side that cost shit loads more than the current one. So by the end of this season there won't be that big a difference considering the difference in money spent.
It's easier to take when you're finishing 6th in the league though.
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That makes no sense SHQ. It was in total for his first 3 season compared to the 11 Lambert has managed so far in 2 and a bit.
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Agree QPR is a must win, but history tells us that we're masters at screwing up games we should be winning. Plus Loftus Road has never been a good ground for us. I cant remember us win there.
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I fail to see how any game is a must-win when there will be 29 left and the team we're playing would still be well below us.
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Our record against QPR is poor overall, something like 18 wins in 52 games. I think we've beaten them 3 times at Loftus Road.
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I fail to see how any game is a must-win when there will be 29 left and the team we're playing would still be well below us.
I'd list it as more of an "important we don't lose" type game. Just to stop the rot.
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Past performances count for nothing - we start from zero and a point is the least we should expect!
FFS it's qpr not Barcefuckinlona!
Fun times!
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Lambert's reign reminds me in some ways of Houiller's season, a case of one step forward then three back. A good win every now and again, the hope that we'll kick on only to follow it by a few defeats. I'm not overly sure, but i think Saturday's defeat might have been the 4th or 5th time we've lost 4 on the trot under Lambert.
Well we've had under him
5 games without a win Sep 22- Nov 3 2012
1 win in 6 Nov 10 - Dec 15 2012
9 games without a win Dec 23 - Feb 10 2013
1 win in 7 Oct 5 - Dec 4 2013
5 games without a win Dec 8 - Jan 4 2014
1 win in 7 Jan 13 - Mar 4 2014
1 win in 9 Mar 23 - May 11 2014
4 losses in a row Sep 20 -Oct 18 2014
So basically for 52 games out of 84 games under him we've been in bad runs. I wouldn't say it's complacency I'd say he's shit and getting beaten is the norm.
This really does sum up the Lambert Era, there is not one other manager in the league s that would still be in a job with his record.
And his reward a 4 year contract.
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QPR's defence looked terrible and they really tired in the last 20 odd minutes against Liverpool. It's a perfect match for our counter attacking style and I think we'll win this one, as long as our defence holds out while we sit back and wait to hit them on the break.
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I fail to see how any game is a must-win when there will be 29 left and the team we're playing would still be well below us.
To me it is a game that will set the tone for the run to xmas, lose it and it will be 5 defeats, losing to a hopeless QPR team which will get people on the terraces restless for the Spurs game and I struggle to see results against Spurs and West Ham so we could be very low in the table going into the next international break which will make our good start to the season such a waste.
Or we beat QPR and suddenly the table dosen't look so bad as we show we're better than fighting relegation this season at least.
I agree we're not destined for relegation if we don't win this but would put me at ease for the coming weeks. Otherwise it's another long winless run creeping up.
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It's not a must win and the likelihood of one is very slim.
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I agree that QPRs back line looks slow and is one we need to get at. Lamberts a fool if he sets us up yet again to try and bore draw the game.
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It's not a must win and the likelihood of one is very slim.
I agree, the likelihood of a must win game is very slim.
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I fail to see how any game is a must-win when there will be 29 left and the team we're playing would still be well below us.
To me it is a game that will set the tone for the run to xmas, lose it and it will be 5 defeats, losing to a hopeless QPR team which will get people on the terraces restless for the Spurs game and I struggle to see results against Spurs and West Ham so we could be very low in the table going into the next international break which will make our good start to the season such a waste.
Or we beat QPR and suddenly the table dosen't look so bad as we show we're better than fighting relegation this season at least.
I agree we're not destined for relegation if we don't win this but would put me at ease for the coming weeks. Otherwise it's another long winless run creeping up.
Sums it up pretty bloody well SHQ!
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QPR's defence looked terrible and they really tired in the last 20 odd minutes against Liverpool. It's a perfect match for our counter attacking style and I think we'll win this one, as long as our defence holds out while we sit back and wait to hit them on the break.
Hopefully Senderos can be back to partner Vlaar.
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It's not a must win and the likelihood of one is very slim.
Fingers crossed we get beat so you wont have to listen to any happy Villa fans on the radio.
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QPR's defence looked terrible and they really tired in the last 20 odd minutes against Liverpool. It's a perfect match for our counter attacking style and I think we'll win this one, as long as our defence holds out while we sit back and wait to hit them on the break.
Hopefully Senderos can be back to partner Vlaar.
Also looks as if Sanchez will be in for this one...stronger defensive line-up, much needed after Saturday's debacle!
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It's not a must win and the likelihood of one is very slim.
Fingers crossed we get beat so you wont have to listen to any happy Villa fans on the radio.
You're boring me now. I'm going by history with my comment, why do you feel the need to reply to everything i've posted lately.
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It's not a must win and the likelihood of one is very slim.
Fingers crossed we get beat so you wont have to listen to any happy Villa fans on the radio.
You're boring me now. I'm going by history with my comment, why do you feel the need to reply to everything i've posted lately.
Trust me, you've been boring myself and others for a very long time with your unending negativity.
Your post the other night though complaining about Villa fans enjoying being 2nd will probably never be beaten.
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It's not a must win but bloody hell we certainly could do with a win to lift all of our spirits.
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It's not a must win and the likelihood of one is very slim.
Fingers crossed we get beat so you wont have to listen to any happy Villa fans on the radio.
You're boring me now. I'm going by history with my comment, why do you feel the need to reply to everything i've posted lately.
Trust me, you've been boring myself and others for a very long time with your unending negativity.
Your post the other night though complaining about Villa fans enjoying being 2nd will probably never be beaten.
I never said anything of the sort. I said numerous fans were talking complete bollocks about where we would finish this season after 4 games. They were, I don't see what's the problem here.
How am I negative I tell it how it is, if you don't like it you know what you can do. It's funny i'm negative when most of my post predictions have been pretty much how it's finished.
I'm not going to be all happy like you about Villa, fans moan get over it.
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Your negativity borders on the WUMish, its tedious and unrelenting and I will keep responding to it.
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It's not a must win and the likelihood of one is very slim.
Fingers crossed we get beat so you wont have to listen to any happy Villa fans on the radio.
You're boring me now. I'm going by history with my comment, why do you feel the need to reply to everything i've posted lately.
Trust me, you've been boring myself and others for a very long time with your unending negativity.
Your post the other night though complaining about Villa fans enjoying being 2nd will probably never be beaten.
I never said anything of the sort. I said numerous fans were talking complete bollocks about where we would finish this season after 4 games. They were, I don't see what's the problem here.
How am I negative I tell it how it is, if you don't like it you know what you can do. It's funny i'm negative when most of my post predictions have been pretty much how it's finished.
I'm not going to be all happy like you about Villa, fans moan get over it.
Hang on, those fans were talking bollocks after 4 games, and now you can confirm this after 8?
You are negative, that's me telling you how it is.
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And...
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It's not a must win and the likelihood of one is very slim.
Fingers crossed we get beat so you wont have to listen to any happy Villa fans on the radio.
You're boring me now. I'm going by history with my comment, why do you feel the need to reply to everything i've posted lately.
Trust me, you've been boring myself and others for a very long time with your unending negativity.
Your post the other night though complaining about Villa fans enjoying being 2nd will probably never be beaten.
I never said anything of the sort. I said numerous fans were talking complete bollocks about where we would finish this season after 4 games. They were, I don't see what's the problem here.
How am I negative I tell it how it is, if you don't like it you know what you can do. It's funny i'm negative when most of my post predictions have been pretty much how it's finished.
I'm not going to be all happy like you about Villa, fans moan get over it.
Hang on, those fans were talking bollocks after 4 games, and now you can confirm this after 8?
You are negative, that's me telling you how it is.
You can't tell me nothing lets get that clear.
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Your negativity borders on the WUMish, its tedious and unrelenting and I will keep responding to it.
You will be ignored.
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It's not a must win and the likelihood of one is very slim.
Fingers crossed we get beat so you wont have to listen to any happy Villa fans on the radio.
You're boring me now. I'm going by history with my comment, why do you feel the need to reply to everything i've posted lately.
Trust me, you've been boring myself and others for a very long time with your unending negativity.
Your post the other night though complaining about Villa fans enjoying being 2nd will probably never be beaten.
I never said anything of the sort. I said numerous fans were talking complete bollocks about where we would finish this season after 4 games. They were, I don't see what's the problem here.
How am I negative I tell it how it is, if you don't like it you know what you can do. It's funny i'm negative when most of my post predictions have been pretty much how it's finished.
I'm not going to be all happy like you about Villa, fans moan get over it.
Hang on, those fans were talking bollocks after 4 games, and now you can confirm this after 8?
You are negative, that's me telling you how it is.
You can't tell me nothing lets get that clear.
Double negative. Fitting.
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Well this is exciting. YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.
Let's just all rejoice over what a shit, awful ground loftus road is.
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FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT
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EVen our internet scraps are a bit poncey. Fucking Lambert out!
Anyhoo...We need to start like we did v Liverpool, Arsenal, and Chelsea (despite going a goal down at the latter) and chase that early goal. get it and we can make them come at us leaving more space for our pacey front 2 or 3 to exploit. Shame Delph is out but never mind we should still have enough. I think N zog will start because we need that extra attacking something. that he doesn't have it seems to have escaped Lambert as much as the sack.
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Your negativity borders on the WUMish, its tedious and unrelenting and I will keep responding to it.
You will be ignored.
I think you're missing the point about ignoring somebody
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Why is it that people who put a negative spin on everything are 'being realistic' but anyone who thinks things aren't that bad is a happy clapper or something similar.
Aside from that is it really that realistic? I'm pretty sure I've seen you (Goldie) predict relegation at least a few times in the last 3-4 years and yet we're still in the league so how is your opinion any more realistic than anyone else? I'll admit I've been overly optimistic for the last couple of years and predicted lower mid-table finishes rather than relegation battles but in real terms that's just as accurate as you've managed. This season I predicted 10-12 and I still think that's where we'll end up.
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Why is it that people who put a negative spin on everything are 'being realistic' but anyone who thinks things aren't that bad is a happy clapper or something similar.
Aside from that is it really that realistic? I'm pretty sure I've seen you (Goldie) predict relegation at least a few times in the last 3-4 years and yet we're still in the league so how is your opinion any more realistic than anyone else? I'll admit I've been overly optimistic for the last couple of years and predicted lower mid-table finishes rather than relegation battles but in real terms that's just as accurate as you've managed. This season I predicted 10-12 and I still think that's where we'll end up.
Most people thought we might get relegated in the last 4 years especially in 2012. I've never predicted we were dead certain to go down though.
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Why you never post in the match threads? Do you even watch the games, you've stated in the season ticket thread you don't have one. Calling me out.....now I know why.
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Why you never post in the match threads? Do you even watch the games, you've stated in the season ticket thread you don't have one. Calling me out.....now I know why.
What have match threads got to do with anything?
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So if I'm reading the stats correctly and to kind of put some positive spin on matters, we've never lost 5 on the bounce under Lambert.
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Why you never post in the match threads? Do you even watch the games, you've stated in the season ticket thread you don't have one. Calling me out.....now I know why.
What have match threads got to do with anything?
Because it's easier to be more positive when you don't watch the full games week in week out.
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So if I'm reading the stats correctly and to kind of put some positive spin on matters, we've never lost 5 on the bounce under Lambert.
No..usually draw but there have been rare wins also
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Why you never post in the match threads? Do you even watch the games, you've stated in the season ticket thread you don't have one. Calling me out.....now I know why.
What have match threads got to do with anything?
Because it's easier to be more positive when you don't watch the full games week in week out.
I'm sure there are season ticket holders and regular away fans on here who try to keep things in perspective and discuss things without claiming everything's shit.
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I don't post in the match threads because I am too busy booing the side relentlessly week in week out at the games.
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I presume you're talking in general there.
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I presume you're talking in general there.
Your point being what?
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Good for you, I used to do a lot of that last season. This season i'm glad someone's filling in
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I presume you're talking in general there.
Your point being what?
I wouldn't wan't you claiming that i've said 'everything's shit' now would I.
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I don't post in the match threads because I am too busy booing the side relentlessly week in week out at the games.
You only boo? Take the blinkers off and smell the coffee you happy clapping Lambert apologist!
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I presume you're talking in general there.
Your point being what?
I wouldn't wan't you claiming that i've said 'everything's shit' now would I.
My point was you said that people who don't have to sit through games tend to be more positive, which is not necessarily true.
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I can not fault anyone if they booed us off at full time. Taking out a small mortgage to watch us play at QPR on a Monday night is one for the lunacy headquarters, fair play to all.
So....what are our league records for losing consecutive games and not scoring in games, we musn't be far off either. I certainly can't recall us losing more than 4 league games in a row in my time supporting us. This could easily get to 7-8 games looking at our next opponents.
Deary me.
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I can not fault anyone if they booed us off at full time. Taking out a small mortgage to watch us play at QPR on a Monday night is one for the lunacy headquarters, fair play to all.
So....what are our league records for losing consecutive games and not scoring in games, we musn't be far off either. I certainly can't recall us losing more than 4 league games in a row in my time supporting us. This could easily get to 7-8 games looking at our next opponents.
Deary me.
I don't think we'll get another point until we play Burnley (and that'sfar from guaranteed) - so 8 losses on the bounce. If we don't score any goals in those three matches then that'll be an additional record.
It's almost laughable, particularly as Lerner will not react.
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I can not fault anyone if they booed us off at full time. Taking out a small mortgage to watch us play at QPR on a Monday night is one for the lunacy headquarters, fair play to all.
So....what are our league records for losing consecutive games and not scoring in games, we musn't be far off either. I certainly can't recall us losing more than 4 league games in a row in my time supporting us. This could easily get to 7-8 games looking at our next opponents.
Deary me.
I don't think we'll get another point until we play Burnley (and that'sfar from guaranteed) - so 8 losses on the bounce. If we don't score any goals in those three matches then that'll be an additional record.
It's almost laughable, particularly as Lerner will not react.
That must be the worst sequence in (forgive me for footy speak and please don't ban me), the "premier league era."
I think Wigan lost 7 on the bounce a few years back.
If we lose on Sunday it's a big possibility.
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I don't think we'll get another point until we play Burnley (and that'sfar from guaranteed) - so 8 losses on the bounce. If we don't score any goals in those three matches then that'll be an additional record.
It's almost laughable, particularly as Lerner will not react.
If your prediction becomes reality, no manager can survive that, surely?!
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I don't think we'll get another point until we play Burnley (and that'sfar from guaranteed) - so 8 losses on the bounce. If we don't score any goals in those three matches then that'll be an additional record.
It's almost laughable, particularly as Lerner will not react.
If your prediction becomes reality, no manager can survive that, surely?!
You would think and hope not but we are talking about an obstinate and intellectually challenged owner whose reputation is on the line having given our hopeless manager a 4 year contract.