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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on October 04, 2014, 04:47:43 PM
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Aston Villa
01 Guzan
21 Hutton
14 Senderos
02 Baker
23 Cissokho
08 Cleverley
15 Westwood
16 Delph
28 N'Zogbia
18 Richardson
11 Agbonlahor
Substitutes
06 Clark
07 Bacuna
10 Weimann
19 Bent
20 Benteke
24 Sánchez
31 Given
Manchester City
01 Hart
05 Zabaleta
04 Kompany
20 Mangala
11 Kolarov
07 Milner
25 Fernandinho
42 Y Touré
21 Silva
10 Dzeko
16 Agüero
Substitutes
03 Sagna
06 Fernando
13 Caballero
15 Jesús Navas
18 Lampard
26 Demichelis
35 Jovetic
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That City team looks rubbish. Easy Villa win ...
We'll be second if we win 6-0
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Just given directions to the Holte End. Its like old times
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Nice to see Okore in there.
::)
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4-5-1 possibly wth Gabby supported by N'Zog just playing off him
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No vlaar or Okore , Groundhog Day.
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Why the hell N'Zogbia is in the side, I have no idea. Admitedly, Weimann has been poor but Grealish doesn't even make the bench.
I think we'll get spanked.
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Okore anywhere to be seen? I don't get this. Oh well come on Villa please well.
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Gabby out ill, Weimann in.
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With Weimann on his own up front against their brutes I think we're gonna get about 12% possession! Not confident.
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looks a rather poor team with Weimann as striker
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Day tripper central around VP. And Moyes is here.
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looks a rather poor team with Weimann as striker
Not as bad as with Gabby though.
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Probably in the minority, but I'd prefer him as central striker ahead of Gabby.
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No Vlaar, Okore, Benteke or Gabby. Not overly positive, all told.
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Gabby out ill, Weimann in.
Another bloody virus excuse then ;)
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It's quite chilly despite the autumnal watery sunshine.
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Just realised, no Grealish either >:(
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On paper, Villa are doomed. Paper is overrated.
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Probably in the minority, but I'd prefer him as central striker ahead of Gabby.
Me too. Weimann puts a shift in. Gabby does when he wants to.
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I predict 1-4.
Can't stand Geoff Shreeves
Niall doesn't watch Villa
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I really struggle to see where we can get a goal from today.
Have to hope we can soak up a lot of pressure and hit them with a scrawny goal from a free kick/corner
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No Vlaar, Okore, Benteke or Gabby. Not overly positive, all told.
What?
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Probably in the minority, but I'd prefer him as central striker ahead of Gabby.
Me too. Weimann puts a shift in. Gabby does when he wants to.
Well we'll get to see him play this number 9 role for the first time today I think. Hope I'm wrong but I just don't think he can do it. He's not big or technical or fast enough. And our passing isn't good enough into him
Let's hope I'm wrong
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Probably in the minority, but I'd prefer him as central striker ahead of Gabby.
Me too. Weimann puts a shift in. Gabby does when he wants to.
Well we'll get to see him play this number 9 role for the first time today I think. Hope I'm wrong but I just don't think he can do it. He's not big or technical or fast enough. And our passing isn't good enough into him
Let's hope I'm wrong
Might have been a good time to give Bent a start actually.
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No Vlaar, Okore, Benteke or Gabby. Not overly positive, all told.
What?
Hey, would you look at that, apparently I can't read. Feeling a bit happier now!
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Who has been promoted to the bench ?
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Who has been promoted to the bench ?
Jack.
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Looks a poor crowd.
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Yes VP is fairly empty today.
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Superb by Baker twice there.
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There's a lot of insects flying around
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No Vlaar, Okore, Benteke or Gabby. Not overly positive, all told.
What?
Hey, would you look at that, apparently I can't read. Feeling a bit happier now!
Was worried he'd been taken out last minute cos of this virus. Phew. :)
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that would have been a yellow card later in the game
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I'm bored of every pundit saying, "Villa....counter attack"
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Come on Villa keep hold of the ball a bit.
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What are these fools on about..."They certainly have made a better start when Arsenal scored 3 times in the opening 4 minutes"!!!
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Guzan's distribution has been poor so far.
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evening
40% possession excellent
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Bit of an untidy game all round so far
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get into them villa
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Baker building a Keane tribute beard?
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I just sneezed. I sneezed in the first half vs Liverpool too.
#NailedOn3Points
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That lack of bottle from N'Zogbia sums him up. Every other player is trying to craft and fight for the ball and he just bottles it.
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aly well done
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We're playing pretty well. Up against a better team but working really hard. Delph dynamic.
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Wieman, Nzogbia and Richardson to weak to cause them many problems, even with all the closing down
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some great footy and then give it away
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Not bad so far
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I think we could get some joy down the right hand side.
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That lack of bottle from N'Zogbia sums him up. Every other player is trying to craft and fight for the ball and he just bottles it.
There was a 50/50 about 5 minutes ago and he just half arsed it as if he was scared of getting hurt.
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Well out Guzan
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I think we could get some joy down the right hand side.
Gary Neville agrees
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well done charlie more please
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Better from N'Zogbia. If we can get beyond Fernandinio we might get some joy.
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Never ever a free kick
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We shown some good discipline so far. Much more like the football we saw in the first 4 games than the last two.
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That lack of bottle from N'Zogbia sums him up. Every other player is trying to craft and fight for the ball and he just bottles it.
There was a 50/50 about 5 minutes ago and he just half arsed it as if he was scared of getting hurt.
I don't want to slate the guy but it pissed me off as Baker and someone else threw their body on the line to block a shot where he just bottles a challenge he should have won. Decent attempt though just.
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shit ref
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close from city
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Has Richardson touched the ball yet?
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We haven't scored a goal for quite a long time .
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If we worked this hard every game we would finish top 6.
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Missing Gabby's ability to hold the ball up a touch, not happening for Weimann so far.
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god chance for decko there
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I thought Richardson was playing ?
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Richardson has had a few decent moments
Unfortunately Weimann is pretty much giving the number 9 hold up display I suspected. Though he does look a threat in behind
Baker and senderos look shaky
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Sky should have a Roy Keane cam
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Come on Villa get the ball please.
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Good pressing, terrible shot from Weimann.
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Wieman just like messi
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that aint good enough
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Shame about the finish but good closing to create it.
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we close them down well , just no quality
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No composure, city give us the ball and we give it or lose it straight back,
heads just go all scrambly
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Come on lads we need the ball a bit.
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Superb defending from Baker there.
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Yeah very good.
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baker is samson = keep the beard son
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How is that a corner?
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Wake the fuck up Villa.
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Don't concede now villa
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fuck clsoe again wake up villa
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how we holding on
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Fucking hell we can't sustain that for the rest of the game.
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Fuck me that was tense. Defended well right across the pitch. Didn't offer much ourselves, but I can't knock the effort.
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Fuck me that was some desperate defending last couple of mins. Baker has been immense.
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We look weak at right back
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That was our good half
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Flipping eck, breathe
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Nathan Baker man of match so far. Cant see us scoring whatsoever, looks like we battling for a point already. They score once its game over.
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We need to go 5 at the back if we are going to see this out.
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Thank God for that.
Generally we've done okay this half. We've at least tried to get the ball forward and play so far (without really creating anything). We got a bit desperate in that last five minutes though. We need to keep pushing forward a bit and not invite too much pressure.
Weimann looks a bit lost it must be said. Benteke can't come back soon enough. We need a focal point up front. We're also missing Gabby today. He'd be a better outlet.
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Fuck me that was tense. Defended well right across the pitch. Didn't offer much ourselves, but I can't knock the effort.
Perfectly summed up. Our defence and midfield link well but we're toothless up front. I'd love to see Grealish on for N'Zogbia as he offers next to nothing.
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We cannot depend on them missing these chances they keep getting. We have got to start pressing them further up the pitch.
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Defend like this for another 15 mins the bring on Congo Waring.
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0-0 would be decent
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If he's not going to play Benteke later i'd get Bent on for Cleverley now
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We're gonna nick this 1-0. 80 mins we will unleash the beast. Benteke, 1-0.
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They are attacking incessantly to our right hand side and getting thru time and again. NZogbia is not providing much support to Hutton. Need to do something about that. Other than that we have done well. Baker is the man!
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Fuck me that was tense. Defended well right across the pitch. Didn't offer much ourselves, but I can't knock the effort.
Perfectly summed up. Our defence and midfield link well but we're toothless up front. I'd love to see Grealish on for N'Zogbia as he offers next to nothing.
Grealish isn't named in the squad unless he replaced Gabby?
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Nzogbia off at half time please. Didn't track back at all, didn't mark or pick up anyone at corners and shit out of 2 50/50 challenges. Lazy and can't be arsed.
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Wish it was full time
Defended well, but we can't keep it up for another 45 so the forwards are going to have to create something to take the pressure off,and I don't know if they are capable
Baker has now been renamed Maldini in our house
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Fuck me that was tense. Defended well right across the pitch. Didn't offer much ourselves, but I can't knock the effort.
Perfectly summed up. Our defence and midfield link well but we're toothless up front. I'd love to see Grealish on for N'Zogbia as he offers next to nothing.
Grealish isn't named in the squad unless he replaced Gabby?
He did.
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Nzogbia off at half time please. Didn't track back at all, didn't mark or pick up anyone at corners and shit out of 2 50/50 challenges. Lazy and can't be arsed.
I agree with what you say, but Richardson was worse, can't remember anything he did in the first half
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Nzogbia off at half time please. Didn't track back at all, didn't mark or pick up anyone at corners and shit out of 2 50/50 challenges. Lazy and can't be arsed.
It's like playing with ten men.
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Get Grealish and Bent on for Cleverley and Nzogbia
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U2 advert, great
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Grealish did replace gabby
I reckon benteke might be good for twenty
I can't see us holding citeh out all game though. They've been a bit pedestrian but had some good moments and silva is causing us problems drifting in from the flanks. It'd be nice if we thought sanchez was ready. He could help sure up that space
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I shouted at the telly 'Wake up Charlie!' approximately one thousand times in the first half.
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Nzogbia off at half time please. Didn't track back at all, didn't mark or pick up anyone at corners and shit out of 2 50/50 challenges. Lazy and can't be arsed.
It's like playing with ten men.
Yet did our only attacking of note and is by far the most dangerous player we have playing.
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We're gonna nick this 1-0. 80 mins we will unleash the beast. Benteke, 1-0.
I've thought of this scenario, too.
Sometimes things are meant to be.
Can't see it, mind, but I reckon I'd hear the roar here in Wales if Benteke scored
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omg omg omg .... my heart
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Blimey
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Aargh Richardson
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Can't see this staying 0-0 for long
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whats westwood doingg there
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great play charlie
shit touch richardson
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fuck me our lads are suicidal at times
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shitting shitting heck
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Bloody hell Cissokho
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The problem when you always play so defensively is, on the rare occasions the players do get into the opposition area, it's such an unfamiliar feeling they tend to panic.
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our own worse enemies as usual
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Go on Dalian!
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thought that was gona be a wonder goal by charles then
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evening all.
Who is supposed to be up front for us?
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get CB on for weimann and jack for richardson and we can do threse ;)
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weimann was offside then anyway
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Lampard ffs
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And you still want Chaz subbed off?
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charlies a threat
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And we all know exactly what's going to happen now
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Fucking Lampard comes on. What are the odds? I need to get a bet on.
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At times our midfield looks quite...good!?
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weimans been pretty poor
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Bentekkers coming on too.
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Really good build up there.
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Shame Benteke wasn't on for that cross.
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Go on big Chris.
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we look good at moment
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Cometh the hour...
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here is the daddy
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Gotta hit the target from there, Andi.
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good sub
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two mins earlier CB would have scored that weimann chance
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Hopefully just his presence will have an effect on city
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Doing really well this half so far.
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free kick to shitty
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Clumsy tackle.
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We've played well today.
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I don't like the look of this
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Even if we lose this, it's been a very decent performance.
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Much improved on the last two.
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fuck just the finalo ball
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Cissokho is worryingly rubbish so far today. A few poor choices.
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Delph been a freaking giant this game. A giant energizer bunny!
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We look completely knackered.
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Cissokho is worryingly rubbish so far today. A few poor choices.
yeah he looks a bit simple today
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Bacuna for N'Zogbia?
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Delph has been immense.
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jacks on ;)
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They're getting too many shots now
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Well, you can't say that's not a positive substitution.
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I have to say, I love that Collymore sticks up for Villa. Very pleasant to have a bit of perspective when people try to talk us down.
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Pace and workrate have marked some of our lads now. Aly, Westwood, Delph must have run 2 marathons!
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Our lads in midfield look totally shot. The ball back to Jack from Delph showed that on the last attack.
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how many shots have we had today :)
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Bacuna for N'Zogbia?
Why not? - he's got energy and a decent level of skill. We'll need both in the final quarter.
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10 minutes plus whatever
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Immense, Guzan.
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Ill take the point now...if that was an option....
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Yeah wasn't disagreeing - I was guessing who he was coming on for
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Fucking hell this is torture.
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fuck clsoe again
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how many shots have we had today :)
Don't know but they've had quite a lot.
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ffs who let him go then
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Balls. Unlucky Villa.
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They were too knackered to do anything about that.
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SOOOO-O-O-O-O SIMPLE ... for a class player
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Shame for Guzan and the Defence they've been amazing.
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Well deserved goal. We play only in defence, like teams used to play in the 60's. Very depressing.
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We have just ran out of energy, they look fucked.
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Fucking Toure. Shit all season, dreadful, then comes up with that. Bastard.
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Someone go to him
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Chequebook wankers!
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They always have a pass on. Our work off the ball, when we have got the ball, is woefully poor compared to the top sides.
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They always have a pass on. Our work off the ball, when we have got the ball, is woefully poor compared to the top sides.
We've been saying that since about 1997.
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Fucking Toure. Shit all season, dreadful, then comes up with that. Bastard.
Before the game, Sky were talking about how he's been in poor form this season. I texted my mate and said we know who's going to score against us then.
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A pity but it was coming.
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Villa's fitness seems not quite what you'd expect at this stage in the season ...
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Grealish has been weak since coming on.
2-0
Fuck it.
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easy
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Ah sod off City. Up the Villa.
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Thank you and good night.
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:( :( :( :( :(
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Bollox.
Superb goal.
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Damage limitation now i think
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Hope it's not gonna be 3 nill again
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blow up ref
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Good show from us today but they can afford five players to be shit and they can still win
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Grealish has been weak since coming on.
Agreed - he's having a wake-up call in terms of understanding what the top level is about.
It'll do him good.
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I'm not gonna complain too much. We needed some roper centre forward options today. And we had some good opportunities but our final ball wasn't good enough.
Grealish a struggled physically a bit.
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This is why football is shit these days. How can we ever compete against a team with so much f in money
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4 goals scored in 8 games.
8 nil in the last three
Worried again
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Ho hum. We lose again to another team with about 1,000,000,000,000,000 quid in the bank. Who said the Premier League was unpredictable?
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Oh well, we gave it a go...unlucky
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We're knackered but they played midweek. Hmmm.
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On the fitness point. If you have 30% possession you'll be tired in the last twenty no matter who you are
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Team that costs half a billion quid or so vs one that costed about 30m.
Guess the outcome.
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None of our subs have done anything positive. Lack of quality in depth and fitness in Bentekes case. Played ok though, at least we've got past the worst of these fixtures.
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Our double substitution has been pants
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This is why football is shit these days. How can we ever compete against a team with so much f in money
Yep.
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4 goals scored in 8 games.
8 nil in the last three
Worried again
Have you forgotten who we've been playing?
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Once again we play for a draw at home and get what we deserve. Pathetic.
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were not suprised
but still guts me
hate modern football myself
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The trouble is we have this defensive mentality throughout the team. They haven't got the confidence to attack full out at the opposition.
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4 goals scored in 8 games.
8 nil in the last three
Worried again
Because we have lost 8-0 to the likely top 3?
Yes, wrist slashing time. Only about 500 million between our squad and those 3. Spare change, I mean why are we not beating them every time they come here.
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4 goals scored in 8 games.
8 nil in the last three
Worried again
Have you forgotten who we've been playing?
Yep. Easy games from now
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they tried , we just havent got the quality
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4 goals scored in 8 games.
8 nil in the last three
Worried again
What did people realistically expect put of these three games? We were never gonna repeat our form against the top sides of last season
I'll be really concerned though if we don't start creating chances against other sides, starting with Everton
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We're knackered but they played midweek. Hmmm.
No surprise when we have 30% possession
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None of our subs have done anything positive. Lack of quality in depth and fitness in Bentekes case. Played ok though, at least we've got past the worst of these fixtures.
Agree. Bacuna has the same syndrome that last years 2nd season players have. Being wank.
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were not suprised
but still guts me
hate modern football myself
Another league title is going to Chelsea or Man. City.
Just think about that for a second. Chelsea, or Man. City.
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Player for player they were better than us, but that's no surprise is it?
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Bacuna was pants when he came on but doesn't help we can't keep the ball.Shame Sanchez is not ready yet as we just lack physically strength in MF in these type of games.Could also of done with someone man marking Silva.
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Taking off Richardson was a big mistake
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4 goals scored in 8 games.
8 nil in the last three
Worried again
Have you forgotten who we've been playing?
4 goals scored in 8 games.
8 nil in the last three
Worried again
What did people realistically expect put of these three games? We were never gonna repeat our form against the top sides of last season
I'll be really concerned though if we don't start creating chances against other sides, starting with Everton
I was hoping for 4 points. We've now equalled our points tally against the same teams played last year so the good start is meaningless
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Cleverley offers nothing thank god we haven't bought him
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Cleverley offers nothing thank god we haven't bought him
He was stood around doing nothing whatsoever for their first goal, most disappointing.
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I can live with a defeat against these. But te fact is you either have got creativity or you haven't and we simply haven't. These tactics were adopted all last season with limited success. I do hope he has a plan b in mind and soon.
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Team that costs half a billion quid or so vs one that costed about 30m.
Guess the outcome.
Those teams do still lose. What's most disappointing is the lack of shots and by extension lack of goals. I'd have taken losing all three with a lot more fight and adventure. The GD might still have been -8, but the goals F might have been a bit more positive. What losing so "easily" in all three just puts added pressure on us in games we will hope to do a lot better in. So far in those games we've done ok, but it only takes one bad result in one of those games to set us back significantly.
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Totally depressing. I can only applaud those who go week in and week out because they really don't get much back for their effort or hard spent cash. I thought Sky were virtually willing City to score and they got what they wanted. 4-5 teams with super cash and the rest of us are just teams they have to play and beat. Totally totally fed up with it all. I could go on about our inadequacies, our pathetic home record and style of play but it still doesn't help when you have to face a team made up of 1-2 that cost more than your whole team.
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Fuck of City! Take your ill-gotten gold and piss off to a new league and take Chelsea with you. Bunch of cheating bastards. They've completely ruined this league. 13 clubs which are a shower of shite in comparison to the top four, with 3 clubs that are better but not won't get close to winning it. Between the title chasers and the lot below it's a whole different ball game. Worlds a-fucking-part.
Anyway...all that aside. When we showed some attacking intent and tried to get forward we looked okay. When we sit 10 men back on the edge of our own box we're just delaying the inevitable.
My main pet peeve of today. We bring on Benteke then completely give up trying to get forward. Great to see him. A few little classy touches, but we offered absolutely chuff all for him.
And I'm sorry. Can of worms about to be opened but Lambert is just as tactically inept as always. Nothing changes in many regards. We've got enough quality that we won't go down or particularly struggle. But we're not going to progress under him. Not a fucking hope.
All hail Keanes beard.
That is all.
I wish we'd get this bloody sale done with so we can actually start to properly look forward toward progression, likely with a more tactically astute manager and more funds to buy some quality.
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Totally depressing. I can only applaud those who go week in and week out because they really don't get much back for their effort or hard spent cash. I thought Sky were virtually willing City to score and they got what they wanted. 4-5 teams with super cash and the rest of us are just teams they have to play and beat. Totally totally fed up with it all. I could go on about our inadequacies, our pathetic home record and style of play but it still doesn't help when you have to face a team made up of 1-2 that cost more than your whole team.
This league is getting to a point that you have to applaud the fans for all but 5-6 of the clubs who turn up every week to watch their side making up the numbers. The Premier League is a pile of shite to watch unless your club happens to be run by a cash spunking gazillionaire.
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we simply must get something at Everton now. Losing 4 straight would be terrible.
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Fuck of City! Take your ill-gotten gold and piss off to a new league and take Chelsea with you. Bunch of cheating bastards. They've completely ruined this league. 13 clubs which are a shower of shite in comparison to the top four, with 3 clubs that are better but not won't get close to winning it. Between the title chasers and the lot below it's a whole different ball game. Worlds a-fucking-part.
Anyway...all that aside. When we showed some attacking intent and tried to get forward we looked okay. When we sit 10 men back on the edge of our own box we're just delaying the inevitable.
My main pet peeve of today. We bring on Benteke then completely give up trying to get forward. Great to see him. A few little classy touches, but we offered absolutely chuff all for him.
And I'm sorry. Can of worms about to be opened but Lambert is just as tactically inept as always. Nothing changes in many regards. We've got enough quality that we won't go down or particularly struggle. But we're not going to progress under him. Not a fucking hope.
All hail Keanes beard.
That is all.
I wish we'd get this bloody sale done with so we can actually start to properly look forward toward progression, likely with a more tactically astute manager and more funds to buy some quality.
Delph played ok in 2nd half, N'Zogbia looked quite exciting in the two times he was in full flow but we don't have people making off the ball runs going forward, its all about the frigging counterattack. No plan B. In every game it feels like once we concede it will be game over.
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Fuck of City! Take your ill-gotten gold and piss off to a new league and take Chelsea with you. Bunch of cheating bastards. They've completely ruined this league. 13 clubs which are a shower of shite in comparison to the top four, with 3 clubs that are better but not won't get close to winning it. Between the title chasers and the lot below it's a whole different ball game. Worlds a-fucking-part.
Anyway...all that aside. When we showed some attacking intent and tried to get forward we looked okay. When we sit 10 men back on the edge of our own box we're just delaying the inevitable.
My main pet peeve of today. We bring on Benteke then completely give up trying to get forward. Great to see him. A few little classy touches, but we offered absolutely chuff all for him.
And I'm sorry. Can of worms about to be opened but Lambert is just as tactically inept as always. Nothing changes in many regards. We've got enough quality that we won't go down or particularly struggle. But we're not going to progress under him. Not a fucking hope.
All hail Keanes beard.
That is all.
I wish we'd get this bloody sale done with so we can actually start to properly look forward toward progression, likely with a more tactically astute manager and more funds to buy some quality.
Delph played ok in 2nd half, N'Zogbia looked quite exciting in the two times he was in full flow but we don't have people making off the ball runs going forward, its all about the frigging counterattack. No plan B. In every game it feels like once we concede it will be game over.
Unfortunately yes. It's all a bit clueless. Our defence looks more well drilled than last season and has slowly progressed over 3 seasons under Lambert. But we're still about as solid as a Brucie Boner to be honest. I don't think we'll have too many clean sheets over the season.
The midfield 3 we're tidy enough when we at least pushed forward but Lambert persistently has failed to get a midfield and attack that gels together in anything other than quick counter attacks, and we've not been as effective as a counter attacking unit as we were in the tail end of Lambo's debut season. We're not actually that effective at it any more because we're not scoring nearly enough goals.
There'll be a bottom 5-6 shitter than us and almost certainly the bottom 3 will be nowhere near us (I hope), but I'm still expecting a season largely made up of drudgery and piss poor, clueless football.
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At the end of the day, we have been beaten by 3 sides that are so far ahead of us it is frightening, they all played well against us and it went on ability.
Still happy with our points return given the opposition and that more crucially we have done it without our captain and main goal threat....Gabby not playing today also hurt any slim chance we had.
Looking forward to a two week break to get the boys fit and I'm off to Everton!!