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Title: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2014, 09:30:31 AM
Anyone who has appeared enough to be confirmed as utterly shite is acceptable.

Enckelman

Agathe
Baker
Ridgewell
Luna

Tonev
Osbourne
Djemba x2
Carr

De Bilde
Bowery

subs-
Kiraly
Bardsley
Bennett
Sali-who
Gudjohnson
Fashanu
Holt

Manager-
McLeish (with O Leary as Director of football and public relations).
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 05, 2014, 09:51:21 AM
GK Carson
CB Baker
CB Clark
RB Agathe
LB Shorey
CM Djemba-Djemba
CM Kinsella
RM Ginola
LM Bakke
CF Walker
CF Balaban

Subs
Schmeichel
Ridgewell
Salifou
Cole
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: villasjf on June 05, 2014, 10:53:08 AM
Pires and Holte and Dawkins seem to be missing.
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: Holte L2 on June 05, 2014, 11:27:38 AM
Enckleman
Agathe
Ridgewell
Baker
Ghrayib

Djemba-Djemba
Osbourne
Pires
Tonev

Balaban
Cole



Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2014, 11:50:27 AM
Ooh, Dawkins. Forgot about him. I may have to put him in over Tonev. Possibly. Maybe. Perhaps...
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: QBVILLA on June 05, 2014, 12:02:00 PM
Enckelman (Bit harsh maybe)

De La Cruz
Tiler
Beye
Grahyib

Agathe
Kachloul
Tonev
Curcic

Collymore (tosser)
Balaban
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2014, 01:20:43 PM
It's got to be the pantaloon clown Kiraly in goal, despite Enkelman's high profile gaff I watched him give a man of the match display at West Ham later in the season to get a draw when we badly needed it.
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: not3bad on June 05, 2014, 01:32:32 PM
Room for Oyvind Leonardson anywhere?
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 05, 2014, 01:35:30 PM
I can forgive Kiraly and Enckelman to some extent, they made bad errors, but that can happen. Carson and Schmeichel made huge errors in every game, always costing us goals.

The worst thing is that Schmeichel played well for all of his other clubs.
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: Pete on June 05, 2014, 02:54:39 PM
Some real shockers above, proper causes a shudder. A bit harsh on Ridgewell and De La Cruz though I feel. Not world class by any stretch, but I'd consider them steady and reasonably dependable and at least they put a shift in, unlike some of the wasters we've been lumbered with.
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: Chipsticks on June 05, 2014, 03:26:50 PM
Anyone who has appeared enough to be confirmed as utterly shite is acceptable.

Enckelman

Agathe
Baker
Ridgewell
Luna

Tonev
Osbourne
Djemba x2
Carr

De Bilde
Bowery

subs-
Kiraly
Bardsley
Bennett
Sali-who
Gudjohnson
Fashanu
Holt

Manager-
McLeish (with O Leary as Director of football and public relations).

Bit harsh to have Jordan Bowery in there, I don't think we've seen enough of him yet and he was excellent against Hull.
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2014, 05:24:00 PM
Anyone who has appeared enough to be confirmed as utterly shite is acceptable.

Enckelman

Agathe
Baker
Ridgewell
Luna

Tonev
Osbourne
Djemba x2
Carr

De Bilde
Bowery

subs-
Kiraly
Bardsley
Bennett
Sali-who
Gudjohnson
Fashanu
Holt

Manager-
McLeish (with O Leary as Director of football and public relations).

Bit harsh to have Jordan Bowery in there, I don't think we've seen enough of him yet and he was excellent against Hull.
I suppose part of my thinking is also what some players did post Villa. I'd have gone for Bosko but he established himself as a goalscorer at national and international career after us. So perhaps might have been better with a fairer crack of the whip (or not). 

I suspect in a years time, Bowery will end up playing L1 and struggling to even have much impact at that level. As much as he did well against Hull, it was a half arsed Hull side giving him all the time in the world, and for a striker he never really looks close to scoring a goal.
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2014, 05:34:31 PM
It's got to be the pantaloon clown Kiraly in goal, despite Enkelman's high profile gaff I watched him give a man of the match display at West Ham later in the season to get a draw when we badly needed it.

I can only remember Kiraly making one error for us. Unfortunately, like Enckelman, it's the main thing people now remember about his Villa spell. Schmeichel was, easily, the most gaffe-prone keeper we've had during the last twenty years. In the second half of the season he was costing us virtually a goal a game.

Anyway, I'm not including any current players, and I'm playing 3-5-2 because I found it much easier to think of crap midfielders than crap defenders...

GK Schmeichel
RB Beye
CB Ridgewell
LB Ghrayib
RM Salifou
CM Osbourne
CM Ireland
CM Kinsella
LM Djemba-Djemba (I know I'm playing him out of position, but as he was useless in his "proper" position I don't see it making much difference)
CF De Bilde
CF Heskey
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2014, 05:39:27 PM
The frustrating thing about Schmeichel that was despite the fact he was old by the time we got him, he'd gone from being arguably the Worlds best goalkeeper to being a liability for us. I mean Big Brad was around that age when he signed for us and was very reliable IMO.
To add insult to injury, Schmeichel then had a pretty solid season for Man City after leaving us. Bastard.
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2014, 10:40:19 PM
It's got to be the pantaloon clown Kiraly in goal, despite Enkelman's high profile gaff I watched him give a man of the match display at West Ham later in the season to get a draw when we badly needed it.

Apart from the infamous Manure error, Kiraly wasn't that bad in the other games from memory.

Think I'd put Carson in as keeper, he crumbled massively after the Croatia game and that was playing behind a very strong back 4 that Guzan hasn't played behind of that calibre.
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 06, 2014, 02:32:06 AM
I'd have said that over their Villa career, Postma was worse than Encks. But Encks will always be remembered for those derby fuck ups. Stuart Taylor would be my worse keeper, purely because I don't like him. 33, earned a fortune and hasn't played 80 league games. His 12 appearances for us is the second most he has made for anyone. I know we'd all like money for sitting on our arses, but if I were a pro footballer, i'd prefer to play in the lower leagues every week and earn less.
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: KevinGage on June 06, 2014, 06:09:02 PM
Anyone who has appeared enough to be confirmed as utterly shite is acceptable.

Enckelman

Agathe
Baker
Ridgewell
Luna

Tonev
Osbourne
Djemba x2
Carr

De Bilde
Bowery

subs-
Kiraly
Bardsley
Bennett
Sali-who
Gudjohnson
Fashanu
Holt

Manager-
McLeish (with O Leary as Director of football and public relations).

No way can Carr be in any 'worst of,'  his goal gained us our first FA Cup Semi Final place since 1654.  Sweet strike it was, too.
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: not3bad on June 07, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
Anyone who has appeared enough to be confirmed as utterly shite is acceptable.

Enckelman

Agathe
Baker
Ridgewell
Luna

Tonev
Osbourne
Djemba x2
Carr

De Bilde
Bowery

subs-
Kiraly
Bardsley
Bennett
Sali-who
Gudjohnson
Fashanu
Holt

Manager-
McLeish (with O Leary as Director of football and public relations).

No way can Carr be in any 'worst of,'  his goal gained us our first FA Cup Semi Final place since 1654.  Sweet strike it was, too.

Totally agree. As memory serves that was the only chance Fran Carr got in the first team as well, so he made it count!
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: St AustellAVFC on June 07, 2014, 03:44:08 PM
Gk   kiraly
rb    de la cruz
lb    luna
cb   calderwood
cb   ridgewell
mr    de la cruz
ml    pires
cm   kinsella
cm   osborne
cf     cole
cf    moore

de la cruz in twice however I saw a thing on him on euro sport where he used loads of hos wages to help kids from where he wad from. Seems a real top bloke. He's my captain
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: paul_e on June 08, 2014, 09:53:37 PM
The worst central defender I can think of was the young Welsh lad who played about 10 games in the late-90s before disappearing in the lower leagues, I can't remember his name.

Gk - Schmeichel
rb - de la cruz
lb - shorey
cb - welsh kid from above
cb - scimeca
rm - ginola
lm - pires
cm - kinsella
cm - osborne
cf - Stefan Moore
cf - Balaban

I can forgive most of them for just not being good enough, and I can forgive Pires for having been in retirement before he joined, I'll never forgive Schmeichel or Ginola who were both 'name' signings by Doug who came for a paycheck and made no attempt to hide it.

Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: peter w on June 08, 2014, 10:08:36 PM
David Hughes?
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: danno on June 08, 2014, 10:22:33 PM
Rob Edwards.  am sure he played for us under SGT mk 2
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: peter w on June 08, 2014, 10:30:05 PM
He was right-back.
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: danno on June 08, 2014, 10:37:39 PM
Must be Hughes then.

Surprised I haven't seen Baros get an honourable mention.
Title: Re: Worst 11 of the Premiership era.
Post by: paul_e on June 08, 2014, 11:43:50 PM
Hughes is the one I was thinking of, Edwards was pretty poor as well.  I had a look after I typed it, had about 50-60 games at Shrewsbury and then a few for Cardiff before giving up and going in to coaching at 26, which sums up my thinking about him being a long long way from top flight standard.
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