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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: sidcowans10 on April 26, 2014, 06:06:36 PM
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Awful day today after an awful Season. I will leave my thoughts as to the future of Lambert elsewhere
These are the remaining results in one place, as I got sick of googling them all the time.
Villa
Hull-H (1)
Spurs-A (0)
Man City-A (0) 36 Points
Sunderland
Cardiff-H (1)
Man U-A (0)
W.Brom (3)
Swansea (1) 34 Points
Cardiff
Sunderland-A (1)
Newcastle-A (1)
Chelsea-H (0) 32 Points
Fulham
Stoke-A (1)
C.Palace-H (3) 35 Points
Norwich
Man U-A (1)
Chelsea-A (0)
Arsenal-H (1) 34 Points
W.Brom
Arsenal-A (0)
Stoke-H (1)
Sunderland-A (0) 37 points
So even with my pessimistic head I reckon Sunderland Cardiff and Norwich to go. However, what really worries me is that there's always a few freak results on the last day. Not with us, I'm sure, we'll get stuffed Royally.
It makes next week the biggest game in a long time!!
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Hull is massive. How the fuck has it come to this ffs.
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Hull is massive. How the fuck has it come to this ffs.
I disagree. With a population of barely 250,000 it's no bigger than the borough of Dudley which I wouldn't describe as massive.
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Hull is massive. How the fuck has it come to this ffs.
I disagree. With a population of barely 250,000 it's no bigger than the borough of Dudley which I wouldn't describe as massive.
Also the Titanic had a massive hull and was unsinkable and look how that worked out.
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And they can't even make up their mind where in the country they are. Is it Yorkshire, Humberside or East Riding of Yorkshire? It makes no sense.
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I'll tell you what makes no sense - this:
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I'll tell you what makes no sense - this:
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Isn't that where Edvard Remberg lives?
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I've said for a while the last day is a real worry
We will lose for sure the others could all easily win
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Awful day today after an awful Season. I will leave my thoughts as to the future of Lambert elsewhere
These are the remaining results in one place, as I got sick of googling them all the time.
Villa
Hull-H (0)
Spurs-A (0)
Man City-A (0) 35Points
Sunderland
Cardiff-H (3)
Man U-A (0)
W.Brom (3)
Swansea (1) 37 Points
Cardiff
Sunderland-A (0)
Newcastle-A (1)
Chelsea-H (0) 31Points
Fulham
Stoke-A (1)
C.Palace-H (3) 35 Points
Norwich
Man U-A (0)
Chelsea-A (1)
Arsenal-H (3) 36 Points
W.Brom
Arsenal-A (0)
Stoke-H (1)
Sunderland-A (0) 37 points
Down
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I really can't see Norwich beating Chelsea or arsenal to be honest
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Norwich will beat Arsenal, so we can but hope that Chelsea turn up against them. If we go down we fully deserve it.
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I really can't see Norwich beating Chelsea or arsenal to be honest
Chelsea could be out of the title race and focussed on the CL, Arsenal will have secured 4th and have the FA Cup final to think about. This is Arsenal who could not even beat a relegated B Lose in a Wembley Final.
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Norwich have lost 5 on the spin...can't see them getting 1 point from Chelsea / Arsenal let alone the 4 they need to catch us..(goal difference apart).
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You can get 10-1 for Norwich to beat Chelsea a week tomorrow. I may put a tenner on that as title race could be over tomorrow and Chelsea could be gearing up for the Champion League final by then. £100 would soften the blow if we get beat by Hull.
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I really can't see Norwich beating Chelsea or arsenal to be honest
Those results aren't gonna happen..teams at the bottom just don't all suddenly hit form like that...Villa for instance..
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If Norwich beat Chelsea next week then take a point against Arsenal, defending the way they currently are, then fair play. I can't see it. I think Cardiff OR Sunderland, Fulham and Norwich will go, with us stopping up on goal difference on 35. Just.
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looks like we only need a point against Hull to stay up. A Hull side with the cup final coming up. It is as near to a penalty kick as a side could hope for. Cant see Bruce being too up for doing his old Sunderland side a favour. He seems to be very bitter about getting the boot there.
I backed Villa to go down at 30/1 a few months back. Now the odds have shrunk to 10/1. I was going to let it roll over but those fixtures look kind to us so laying up seems to be the smart move.
The result today should be a killer for Fulham. Norwich wont get another point. A draw in the Cardiff v Sunderland game would suit us.
We could be hammered in the final two games though so goal difference might not be some pretty then
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I don't get this doing another club a favour. Managers can't be that risky the pressure they are under (prize money for where they finish) & the lifespan of the average PL manager....unless it's in their own interest. Bruce, Wenger will be trying to get as many point as possible by the end of the season.
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Norwichs hope lies in whether Chelsea and Arsenal have their minds on other more important games. Chelski may have given up the Prem by then. Arsenal on the final day may be thinking of the FA Cup. That said, can they pick up 4 points in their remaining games? I don't think so.
Cardiff need to win both the Toon and Sunderland game really. Fulham need to win their last two. I think we're safe now. Just. I suspect a point against Hull, and we'll have to grind it out in the most fuck ugly fashion possible, will be more than enough.
However if we do go down we'll thoroughly deserve it. Far and away the worst Villa side I've ever had the misfortune to lay my eyes on. McLeish was shit but even he could grind out a few draws that we needed. We're well and truly looking like being completely and utterly reliant on the shiteness of other sides.
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I really can't see Norwich beating Chelsea or arsenal to be honest
Those results aren't gonna happen..teams at the bottom just don't all suddenly hit form like that...Villa for instance..
Exactly.
We had all this talk last year about how Wigan were going to blitz us with all their games in hand when in reality they were just as shit as they'd been all season and the last game became a dead rubber.
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We need a Sunderland win.
That will mean Cardiff have to win their last two to overtake us. Norwich would need 4 points from their last two and Fulham would need to win their last two.
I actually think we'll play out a 1-1 v Hull which is fortunate as we'll lose the other two heavily.
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If Norwich beat Chelsea next week then take a point against Arsenal, defending the way they currently are, then fair play. I can't see it. I think Cardiff OR Sunderland, Fulham and Norwich will go, with us stopping up on goal difference on 35. Just.
I think you're right. Hull at home just before their cup final should be a good opportunity to get at least a point but we've been crap at home all season (and longer) and our team are both devoid of talent and an utter bunch of wusses who wilt under the slightest pressure so I expect NOWT. Fortunately, it needs at least two teams to go on a form defying run to send us down. It will be the triple ignominy of staying up with a massive 35 points, doing it on goal difference and craning our necks at the mighty Swansea, Crystal Palace, Hull and Stoke.
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Isn't a draw the best result for us tomorrow? Still means Cardiff need to win last two and keeps makems at bay? That said I think Sunderland will win comfortably tomorrow after taking 4 points from city and Chelsea
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Shocking day but I actually feel more confident we'll stay up than I did yday after Fulham didn't win.
Norwich will have to get four points from the next two. No chance.
Fulham will have to get two wins. V unlikely
And both Sunderland and Cardiff overtaking us? Again seems pretty unlikely to me
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I keep going over those fixtures but still cant get the Boggies to go down.
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Shocking day but I actually feel more confident we'll stay up than I did yday after Fulham didn't win.
Norwich will have to get four points from the next two. No chance.
Fulham will have to get two wins. V unlikely
And both Sunderland and Cardiff overtaking us? Again seems pretty unlikely to me
And if you go back two weeks, how many points did most of us think Sunderland would get from away matches against Man City and Chelsea?
I am not saying they'll continue in that way, just that it is very dangerous to make assumptions like that. I could easily see Fulham winning both their remaining games, for example.
I am a lot less sure we'll stay up than I was this time yesterday.
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We'll be safe. But that's not the point. Next season we'll go unless massive changes happen.
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My point is that I always thought we'd lose yday. But I thought Fulham would definitely win.
Of course there can be surprise results and the only way to be safe is to do it ourselves. But I've not got too much hope of that. I'd take a draw at home to hull to be honest
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I am about the same as yesterday now. Long scoring that goal gives us a more than average chance.
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It's way more than an average chance. Just look at the bookies' odds. We're 9 to 1. Even if that's way out it's still a lot better than four teams. Three of the four are odds on and Sunderland are evens
We could go down and we can't complain about luck if we do. Or form against teams around us has been mostly pathetic all season. We'll be rescued by some great results and very good performances against top sides. We'd be fucked without those wins
But it would still take two of the bottom four going on a mini run that they've never looked like doing all season. The Cardiff Sunderland game is a godsend. A draw is ideal. But whichever team loses is going to be pretty much down, particularly psychologically. A Cardiff win is the worst result I suspect.
And are Norwich going to get four points from Chelsea and arsenal? That would be miraculous
I could imagine Fulham beating stoke and palace, but really how likely is that? Both sides are in good form.
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I've been through all the scenario and have come to the conclusion that I will be shitting bricks until its all decided.
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On the bright side, in two weeks' time we will be about to start a 3 month league unbeaten run.
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I think we'll be safe after next weekend regardless of our own result. Then we'll all be happy right?
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I think we'll be safe after next weekend regardless of our own result. Then we'll all be happy right?
Yes, absolutely orgasmic.
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I think people are being Naive and are in denial. We are the worst side in the league and the club is a mess. We will lose our next 3 and get pummelled in the process. Relegation is staring us in the face
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So a Sunderland draw is the best scenario?
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Yep, a Cardiff win is probably the worst result.
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Think Sunderland beating Cardiff is the best scenario as that keeps Cardiff 5 points behind us, they and Fulham then have to win both of their remaining games to have any chance of finishing above us, possible but highly unlikely.
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Support Man Utd on a Saturday evening and Sunderland on a Sunday....god. At least it's giving me an excuse to go the pub and watch football.
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I think people are being Naive and are in denial. We are the worst side in the league and the club is a mess. We will lose our next 3 and get pummelled in the process. Relegation is staring us in the face
Well you're going to make an absolute killing at the bookies then because they're pretty convinced we won't go down.
Fill your boots and when you're a multigazillionaire from it can you please buy the club and spend more money than Randy has.
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Norwich not to get 4 points from their last two games, funny that we were all on here saying Sunderland would not get 4 points against Chelsea and Man City and they got ???
We will be on 35 if that is enough great, if it is not, it is because we are crap and deserve to go down and as has been stated dont bank on the goal difference, I think that is likely to take quite a hammering.
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I was in the pub last night and heard myself say " I just hope we get a point against Hull ". As soon as I said it I realised what an utter shambles and joke we have become. If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny
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I think people are being Naive and are in denial. We are the worst side in the league and the club is a mess. We will lose our next 3 and get pummelled in the process. Relegation is staring us in the face
Well you're going to make an absolute killing at the bookies then because they're pretty convinced we won't go down.
Fill your boots and when you're a multigazillionaire from it can you please buy the club and spend more money than Randy has.
Absolutely. If you're convinced we're going down you should be loading the money on at 9-1. You could lay against a dead cert to cover your stake. Let us know how you get on?
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Hull don't have a great away record..3 wins away all season and two of those were at Cardiff and Sunderland.
I just hope we don't play for the draw...
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I think people are being Naive and are in denial. We are the worst side in the league and the club is a mess. We will lose our next 3 and get pummelled in the process. Relegation is staring us in the face
Well you're going to make an absolute killing at the bookies then because they're pretty convinced we won't go down.
Fill your boots and when you're a multigazillionaire from it can you please buy the club and spend more money than Randy has.
Absolutely. If you're convinced we're going down you should be loading the money on at 9-1. You could lay against a dead cert to cover your stake. Let us know how you get on?
Just done a reassurance check, best (worst) odds still 7/1.
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Nobody is in denial. We're fucking shite and probably the worst team in the league at the moment. But, we probably, probably, have bungled enough points together to scrape through.
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Nobody is in denial. We're fucking shite and probably the worst team in the league at the moment. But, we probably, probably, have bungled enough points together to scrape through.
I think that's my view on it too.
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Based on the last six games, we are indeed bottom with 1 point. Cardiff are 17, Norwich 19 and Fulham 14 with Sunderland a lofty 12th. Interestingly, Palace are top with 15 points from 6 games.
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/form-guide.html
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It's those big games we've won that have just about kept us up this season. Fortune smiled on us in a few of those games for sure, particularly Man City where we had 3 shots on target and 30% possession but somehow won the game 3-2.
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Nobody is in denial. We're fucking shite and probably the worst team in the league at the moment. But, we probably, probably, have bungled enough points together to scrape through.
I'm in denial. I'm in denial like a drowning Egyptian. I'm assuming we're going to win this weekend. Allowing any other thought into my head will lead to running around, screaming, sobbing and being found naked in the foetal position in a supermarket, shivering and just repeating the words 'Grant Holt' over and over again.
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Nobody is in denial. We're fucking shite and probably the worst team in the league at the moment
There's no probably about it.
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I think we will win too Monty.
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I think we'll win all 3 remaining games & then everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about.
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I think we will win too Monty.
Yep. We'll do it. Seriously, we have no other choice.
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I have had more enjoyment reading H&V in the last few days than I've had from watching Villa all season.
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It's those big games we've won that have just about kept us up this season. Fortune smiled on us in a few of those games for sure, particularly Man City where we had 3 shots on target and 30% possession but somehow won the game 3-2.
Bit like the great Southampton heist where we had 20 something possession and three shots on goal .
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Based on the last six games, we are indeed bottom with 1 point. Cardiff are 17, Norwich 19 and Fulham 14 with Sunderland a lofty 12th. Interestingly, Palace are top with 15 points from 6 games.
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/form-guide.html
Where are Newcastle? They've now lost six stright haven't they?
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Based on the last six games, we are indeed bottom with 1 point. Cardiff are 17, Norwich 19 and Fulham 14 with Sunderland a lofty 12th. Interestingly, Palace are top with 15 points from 6 games.
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/form-guide.html
Where are Newcastle? They've now lost six straight haven't they?
Bottom. They're 20th we're 19th.
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Which isn't ideal as they're playing one of our rivals.
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Which isn't ideal as they're playing one of our rivals.
Alternatively this run has to stop sometime. It has to. Please?
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Remy is back for the weekend and Cardiff will be missing the defender suspended after getting sent off on Sunday.
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Whenever I've looked at the permutations I can still see Fulham getting something from Stoke and maybe even Cardiff. Sunderland will lose this weekend but I fancy them to get points, possibly 4 over their last two games and out goal difference will take a battering at Man city and Tottenham. That puts us really up against it. The 'funny' thing is throughout all my points possibilities I haven't for a single soupcon of a second thought we will help ourselves out by not getting beaten on Saturday.
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Whenever I've looked at the permutations I can still see Fulham getting something from Stoke and maybe even Cardiff. Sunderland will lose this weekend but I fancy them to get points, possibly 4 over their last two games and out goal difference will take a battering at Man city and Tottenham. That puts us really up against it. The 'funny' thing is throughout all my points possibilities I haven't for a single soupcon of a second thought we will help ourselves out by not getting beaten on Saturday.
We're fortunate that they both need two wins to go above us, as it would be an awful lot more uncomfortable if they could afford to draw at least one game.
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Even if we do stay up this season, which I think we probably will, if there us no change at the club, on and off the pitch, we will get relegated next season.
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I think Fulham being us and Norwich has given them an aura of world beaters now..they are still very much shite as seen by drawing against Hull (who have an awful away record ) after being 2 nil up.
Stoke away will be tough.
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It's those big games we've won that have just about kept us up this season. Fortune smiled on us in a few of those games for sure, particularly Man City where we had 3 shots on target and 30% possession but somehow won the game 3-2.
Bit like the great Southampton heist where we had 20 something possession and three shots on goal .
Rubbish that was a great counter attacking performance just like Arsenal on the opening day. Its called tactics.
Anyway, I don't know if one point will be enough, or at least we shouldn't assume it will be, just get the three at the weekend and there will be no doubt. Win at Hull, lose to City and maybe nick a draw at Spurs if we are lucky ending a horrible season on at least something of a high.
By the way all this about managers doing others favours is complete tosh, maybe it happens once in awhile, but very rarely given the stakes.
And you end up where you deserve to. I would say 4th or 5th from bottom has been about our level this season. We are not as bad as Cardiff, Norwich or Fulham, and maybe Sunderland, but after that its a struggle to find anyone worse than us. In terms of players I would say Palace, but the fact is their committed has been far greater than ours and the manager has worked wonders.
What I do go along with is that if something doesn't change next then it maybe our turn for the drop.
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It's those big games we've won that have just about kept us up this season. Fortune smiled on us in a few of those games for sure, particularly Man City where we had 3 shots on target and 30% possession but somehow won the game 3-2.
Bit like the great Southampton heist where we had 20 something possession and three shots on goal .
Rubbish that was a great counter attacking performance just like Arsenal on the opening day. Its called tactics.
Well, strictly speaking, in our case it is called "the tactic" because we don't have any others.
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It's those big games we've won that have just about kept us up this season. Fortune smiled on us in a few of those games for sure, particularly Man City where we had 3 shots on target and 30% possession but somehow won the game 3-2.
Bit like the great Southampton heist where we had 20 something possession and three shots on goal .
Rubbish that was a great counter attacking performance just like Arsenal on the opening day. Its called tactics.
Well, strictly speaking, in our case it is called "the tactic" because we don't have any others.
Sing it sister.
Also, you can have perfectly decent tactics but also get fucking lucky. That was us against Southampton - three shots on target and three goals, including Delph's from 30 yards? That is luck.
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It's those big games we've won that have just about kept us up this season. Fortune smiled on us in a few of those games for sure, particularly Man City where we had 3 shots on target and 30% possession but somehow won the game 3-2.
Bit like the great Southampton heist where we had 20 something possession and three shots on goal .
Rubbish that was a great counter attacking performance just like Arsenal on the opening day. Its called tactics.
Well, strictly speaking, in our case it is called "the tactic" because we don't have any others.
Sing it sister.
Also, you can have perfectly decent tactics but also get fucking lucky. That was us against Southampton - three shots on target and three goals, including Delph's from 30 yards? That is luck.
Yeah because Delph's shot was just so lucky to fly into the net like that...
There is more to the game than keeping the ball and shooting. Southampton are a much better footballing side than us it would have been dumb to have attempted to out do them at their game. We worked hard, defended decent (including the keeper) and took are chances well we got them.
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Plus if Vlaar hadn't gone off injured we would've won that one 3-0
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It's those big games we've won that have just about kept us up this season. Fortune smiled on us in a few of those games for sure, particularly Man City where we had 3 shots on target and 30% possession but somehow won the game 3-2.
Bit like the great Southampton heist where we had 20 something possession and three shots on goal .
Rubbish that was a great counter attacking performance just like Arsenal on the opening day. Its called tactics.
Well, strictly speaking, in our case it is called "the tactic" because we don't have any others.
Sing it sister.
Also, you can have perfectly decent tactics but also get fucking lucky. That was us against Southampton - three shots on target and three goals, including Delph's from 30 yards? That is luck.
Yeah because Delph's shot was just so lucky to fly into the net like that...
There is more to the game than keeping the ball and shooting. Southampton are a much better footballing side than us it would have been dumb to have attempted to out do them at their game. We worked hard, defended decent (including the keeper) and took are chances well we got them.
It was a lucky. He doesn't put that in the top corner even half the time he tries it, therefore it was a bit lucky. I'm not saying we should have tried playing them at their own game - you'll notice, in fact, that I say we probably had the right tactics. But even with these tactics we were outplayed, Vlaar or no Vlaar, and we were maddeningly lucky in that game - to argue otherwise is rather perverse.
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It's those big games we've won that have just about kept us up this season. Fortune smiled on us in a few of those games for sure, particularly Man City where we had 3 shots on target and 30% possession but somehow won the game 3-2.
Bit like the great Southampton heist where we had 20 something possession and three shots on goal .
Rubbish that was a great counter attacking performance just like Arsenal on the opening day. Its called tactics.
Well, strictly speaking, in our case it is called "the tactic" because we don't have any others.
Sing it sister.
Also, you can have perfectly decent tactics but also get fucking lucky. That was us against Southampton - three shots on target and three goals, including Delph's from 30 yards? That is luck.
Yeah because Delph's shot was just so lucky to fly into the net like that...
There is more to the game than keeping the ball and shooting. Southampton are a much better footballing side than us it would have been dumb to have attempted to out do them at their game. We worked hard, defended decent (including the keeper) and took are chances well we got them.
It was a lucky. He doesn't put that in the top corner even half the time he tries it, therefore it was a bit lucky. I'm not saying we should have tried playing them at their own game - you'll notice, in fact, that I say we probably had the right tactics. But even with these tactics we were outplayed, Vlaar or no Vlaar, and we were maddeningly lucky in that game - to argue otherwise is rather perverse.
The rest we will just have to differ on, but you trying to convince me than Delph's shot was lucky has to be a late April Fool's joke right? So according to your logic it was a lucky shot because he normally misses, and John Jenson had never scored for Arsenal in god knows how many years playing for them, but his goal against QPR was still a cracker. Bet you guys never thought you would see a Jenson reference in this thread!
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The Jenson reference, I admit, is a surprise, and it's a valid point. But it's lucky for us, as a team, to rely on such a brilliant goal. We didn't deserve that win overall, but a great goal scraped us through.
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We've had one convincing/easy win all season, against Norwich. The rest have been a slog and often with a great deal of fortune for us.
It'd be nice to be able to just belt a few teams next season or have a few more strolls in the park. Lord knows we've let plenty of teams have an easy day against us.
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We've had one convincing/easy win all season, against Norwich. The rest have been a slog and often with a great deal of fortune for us.
It'd be nice to be able to just belt a few teams next season or have a few more strolls in the park. Lord knows we've let plenty of teams have an easy day against us.
We were only really convincing for 20 minutes in that game though.
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0 points is my punt.
We are currently the worst team in the league and have been for 6 weeks.
We may stay up. Any team who can't garner a point per game deserves automatic relegation IMO.
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We've had one convincing/easy win all season, against Norwich. The rest have been a slog and often with a great deal of fortune for us.
It'd be nice to be able to just belt a few teams next season or have a few more strolls in the park. Lord knows we've let plenty of teams have an easy day against us.
We were only really convincing for 20 minutes in that game though.
Absolutely. I can remember thinking at the time that on the balance of play we probably just about deserved to go in level at half time in that game, not 4-1 up!