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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Leighton on February 24, 2014, 12:43:22 AM
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Seeing as the BBC stopped doing the premier league predictor, here's a new one. Now let's all be honest, where do you have us finish?
http://www.the-mustard.com/predictor.html
I have us finishing 16th position on 36 points, just two points ahead of relegation.
Winners: Liverpool.
Relegated: Palace, Cardiff and Norwich.
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There's some missing games.
By my calculation they're Man City v Sunderland, Everton v Palace and Sunderland v West Brom.
Factoring those in, I have Man City winning the league with Liverpool second, Chelsea third and Arsenal fourth ahead of Man U and Spurs.
Villa finish 14th on 38 points.
West Brom, Cardiff and Palace go down... but Fulham, Sunderland and Hull only just scrap survival.
Lithuania win the Eurovision Song Contest.
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Yes, I thought there were a few games missing too. Anyway, even with my most pessimistic hat on I had us surviving comfortably. Great news being that the Baggies boing back down to where they belong. They go with Cardiff and Fulham, Man City are champions, 3 points ahead of Chelsea. Arsenal and Liverpool get Champions League. Sam Allardyce knighted in Queen's Birthday Honours, Harry Redknapp imprisoned for general air of crookedness after being grassed up by his dog, and Adil Ray awarded Bafta for his role in Citizen Khan.
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Got us 15th on 38.
Chelsea take the title by a point to Chelsea with arsenal 4 behind.
Fulham Norwich and Cardiff go down with Albion on the same points as us.
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Chelsea take the title by a point to Chelsea with arsenal 4 behind.
Wow - Jose Mourinho annexing Man City (I assume) sounds like a dramatic turn of events!
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16th would do for me at the moment. Onwards and sideways.
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I've included predictions and points for the missing games.
City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, United.
Fulham, Norwich, Cardiff relegated.
I had us 11th on 41 points.
I had Palace and Albion just surviving and Hull dropping into trouble too.
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15th on 36 points. Cardiff, West Brom and Fulham going down.
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15th on 36 points. Cardiff, West Brom and Fulham going down.
19th on 36 points with the man city game not played and 5 teams above us on 37 points - easy win at the etihad and safety is assured :(
Chelsea champions and Cardiff bottom .
West brom stoke palace Fulham Norwich all on 37 and villa 36 with city away to play .
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4TH from bottom will do me now.If the season could just end now that would be even better
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4TH from bottom will do me now.If the season could just end now that would be even better
Yep. I'd bite your hand off for 17th now.
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I dare not look
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Sorry i have us getting relegated on last day of season....us losing to Spuds and Palace coming up with 3 points at Fulham to send Fulham, Cardiff and us on 34 points down, but
i also have Chelsea winning title by a massive 6 points so i must be talking utter shite!!!!
Hopefully anyway
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I put on my pessimism hat, and also had us going down with Cardiff and Fulham on 34 points, but I think it'll be tight all the way, 9th place was on 38
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We should be good enough for 38/39 points given that we've averaged 1 point per game thus far.
Last year 37 was enough. We had 24 points after 27 games last year.
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I had us surviving on 37 points but currently I cannot see us winning another game. It's only logic that says we must win sometime, because everybody wins sometime - don't they?
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I had us surviving on 37 points but currently I cannot see us winning another game. It's only logic that says we must win sometime, because everybody wins sometime - don't they?
Looking at the fixture list, I honestly can't see where the next win was going to come from, but then again this time last year I thought we'd not win another game all season and look how that turned out.
I can only hope that Lambert's recent comments about being relaxed is a smokescreen or a way of reassuring his players, because they all need to buck their ideas up.
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I somehow got us to 10th on 44 points with Cardiff Palace and the Baggies going down.
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Us staying up by 3 points.
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We stay up and have to put up with the same shite next season.
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I think we will finish on 46 points and be 11th.
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I think we will finish on 46 points and be 11th.
I'll have the same as Ads is drinking please Barman !
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18 pts from 11 games Ads !?
6 wins - Norwich Stoke Fulham Soton Hull Palace
Highly unlikely
5 defeats - Chelsea Man City Man Utd Spurs Swansea
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I think we will finish on 46 points and be 11th.
Someones been on the scrumpy.
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I think we will finish on 46 points and be 11th.
I'll have the same as Ads is drinking please Barman !
One Absinthe coming up...
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I dread to think.......
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I think we will finish on 46 points and be 11th.
I'll have the same as Ads is drinking please Barman !
I'll just have a half as I have to work next week. I thought I was being optimistic predicting 13th with 38 points.
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The best thing to come from that predictor for me was I had united to finish 10 points clear of 7th placed everton and I have a bet with an Evertonian they won't finish top 6 - stupidly however I had a similar bet that we would finish above them back in August so its break even at best .
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Norwich = 3 points
Chelsea = 0 points
Stoke = 3 points
Man United = 1 point
Fulham = 1 point
Palace = 1 point
Southampton = 3 points
Swansea = 3 points
Hull = 3 points
Spurs = 0 points
Man City = 0 points
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I had us limping over the line on 38 points. But I also had sunderland going down so I don't think that is very reliable. Did strike me that a lot of teams in the bottom 3rd play eachother, which I guess favours us...?
I can never get my head around this but doesn't the fact that nobody has been cut adrift yet mean the points cut off should be sub 40?
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Norwich = 3 points - 1pt
Chelsea = 0 points -agreed
Stoke = 3 points - 1pt
Man United = 1 point - 0 points
Fulham = 1 point -agreed
Palace = 1 point - agreed
Southampton = 3 points - 1 point
Swansea = 3 points - 0 points
Hull = 3 points - 1 point
Spurs = 0 points - agreed
Man City = 0 points - agreed
Blimey Ads - what you been drinking?
Thats taking optimism too far !!! although I will counter with the pessemists view - where is the next win coming from?
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Brilliant stuff -
Back to the Future? - if only Villa could go " Forward to the Past"
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I had us limping over the line on 38 points. But I also had sunderland going down so I don't think that is very reliable. Did strike me that a lot of teams in the bottom 3rd play eachother, which I guess favours us...?
I can never get my head around this but doesn't the fact that nobody has been cut adrift yet mean the points cut off should be sub 40?
It depends
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Brilliant stuff -
Back to the Future? - if only Villa could go " Forward to the Past"
Maybe we could get KEA a hover board to help him move around the pitch a bit quicker.
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1 Chelsea 38 37 89
NaN 2 Man City 36 50 82
NaN 3 Liverpool 38 45 81
NaN 4 Arsenal 37 31 81
NaN 5 Tottenha 38 7 71
NaN 6 Everton 36 17 68
NaN 7 Southam 38 8 57
NaN 8 Man Utd 38 9 55
NaN 9 Newcast 37 -10 45
NaN 10 Swansea 37 -2 44
NaN 11 WestHam 38 -4 43
NaN 12 Stoke 38 -14 42
NaN 13 Hull City 38 -3 41
NaN 14 Asto Villa 37 -13 36
NaN 15 Norwich 38 -25 33
NaN 16 West Bro 37 -13 32
NaN 17 Sunderla 36 -20 32
NaN 18 C Palace 37 -23 32
NaN 19 Cardiff 38 -38 26
NaN 20 Fulham 38 -39 26
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I may not be Einstein, but I know that we should all have played the same number of games...
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I have us 11th on 41 points. And I thought that was being overly pessimistic.
I also have Palace, Stoke and Fulham going down with Chelsea winning the league.
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If you look at Villa's remaining fixtures, it's hard to see how we won't get enough points. But for me, it starts against Norwich. Win that, and it's breathing space. Draw, we're bitching for the rest of the month. Lose, it's curtains.
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We need a return of the Orange Dot. It did wonders for the Sunderland game.
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I'm glad they got rid of the predictor. I wish they'd get rid of the "as it stands" table too. On 1st February at about 4.30 pm we were on 30 points, 23 days and 3 games later we're on 28.
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I think we'll be safe on 37 points as I don't see Cardiff, Palace, Fulham and WBA reaching that figure and even if they do of them have poorer goal differences.
I'm actually beginning to doubt we're even going to reach the 41 points we scraped together last season, remember McLeish was sacked on 38 points so Lambert is in real trouble here if he doesn't buck his ideas up and think of ways to get us home wins as our away form is drying up and we have difficult fixtures left on the road.
It's just all massive disappointing this season. At least with the other two we were shite from the outset so you knew it was all going to be about survival.
This year though given the decent run in, Benteke staying in the summer and a good start we made from a very difficult start we really should be comfortably mid table and finishing 9th or 10th.
Everytime we've had a good result, we've just got worse and plummeted. Take the latest one...strong end to the game v Arsenal, superb performance at Liverpool and entertaining win v West Brom got us to 27 points so I was assuming we'd kick on and comfortably get past 40 points.
Instead 4 games, 1 point, 1 goal against pretty poor opposition.
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If you look at Villa's remaining fixtures, it's hard to see how we won't get enough points. But for me, it starts against Norwich. Win that, and it's breathing space. Draw, we're bitching for the rest of the month. Lose, it's curtains.
Agree with that completely. I said the other week the team started to look like they were lacking confidence and Sunday just confirmed it. A win against a hard fighting, determined Norwich is a must. You'd hope at least for this game Lambert will want to get it right. They really hate him and you can bet your life their chairman will do everything within his powers to get them focused. It really is a 6 pointer but then was Sunderland last season. I don't rate Lambert but surely he can't fuck this one up?
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Norwich = 1 points
Chelsea = 0 points
Stoke = 1 points
Man United = 0 point
Fulham = 3 point
Palace = 0 point
Southampton = 0 points
Swansea = 1 points
Hull = 1 points
Spurs = 0 points
Man City = 0 points
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Wouldn't it be great if we could get a Sunderland result against Norwich. 6-1 with the big man getting a hat trick.
I can but dream.
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I'm not sure how, but I have us 10th on 42 points. I'm scratching my head about that, I must admit, as I thought I was being quite hard on us.
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Don't worry folks! I know for a certain fact that we will beat Southampton 1-0, because I dreamt about it last night. Close range tap in after keeper parries the first effort. We were wearing the lime green 3rd kit but don't let that minor detail put you off.
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Don't worry folks! I know for a certain fact that we will beat Southampton 1-0, because I dreamt about it last night. Close range tap in after keeper parries the first effort. We were wearing the lime green 3rd kit but don't let that minor detail put you off.
If the lads trot out in the green kit I'll be legging it down the bookies mate.
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The goal was worryingly reminiscent of Jordan Henderson's tap-in goal against Swansea on Sunday, I think my faculties have gone to be truthful.
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Don't worry folks! I know for a certain fact that we will beat Southampton 1-0, because I dreamt about it last night. Close range tap in after keeper parries the first effort. We were wearing the lime green 3rd kit but don't let that minor detail put you off.
Now I know what the E in Richard E stands for.
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I'm not sure how, but I have us 10th on 42 points. I'm scratching my head about that, I must admit, as I thought I was being quite hard on us.
You would never have thought that we would end up over-achieving.
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I have us finishing comfortably on 40 points. Simples.
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I have us finishing comfortably on 40 points. Simples.
That still wouldn't be good enough though, a point less than last season, a point less than O'dreary managed in his final season.
I know points comparisons over seasons aren't always accurate but this is a woeful bottom half this season and it's just sad it just seems acceptable nowadays for Aston Villa to just about scrape together 40 points in a seasons.
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I didn't do the predictor. Reasons?
1. Tedious.
2. There are three teams worst than us.
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I have Chelsea champions and Cardiff, palace and west brom relegated. Villa 14th on 38 points.
Lerner will be happy Lambert will get his new contract and we'll "go again"
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Club Pld GD Pts
1 Man City 38 65 87
2 Arsenal 38 41 87
3 Chelsea 38 39 87
4 Liverpool 38 44 84
5 Everton 38 22 74
6 Tottenham 38 12 72
7 Man Utd 38 23 70
8 Southampton 38 3 51
9 Newcastle 38 -13 49
10 Hull City 38 -4 46
11 West Ham 38 -8 44
12 Aston Villa 38 -17 41
13 West Brom 38 -13 38
14 Norwich 38 -30 37
15 Swansea 38 -12 35
16 Sunderland 38 -20 35
17 Stoke 38 -23 34
18 Cardiff 38 -38 30
19 C Palace 38 -30 29
20 Fulham 38 -41 27
Looks like I'm talking out of my arse then.
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I think we will finish on 46 points and be 11th.
I think we will get the 12 points needed to level with the first half of this prediction, but I believe that would be enough to see us finish 10th.
I have predicted we will beat Stoke and it could be the case that we're adrift on our own in 10th, 6 or 7 clear of 11th and the same again from 9th.
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The stats geeks have predicted 10th so I'll go with that.
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I set a target of 50 points at the start of the season and a top 10 place - that would be very decent indeed if achieved.
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I think the Stoke game will be an important indicator. If we win that with a convincing performance, it could show we have turned the corner, and could go on a run like the end of last season. Could end up putting pressure on Newcastle and Southampton.
But if we revert back to the normal home dross for the Stoke game, it will show the Chelsea game was another "one off" against good opposition, and we could be in for nervous grind to safety.
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I think the Stoke game will be an important indicator. If we win that with a convincing performance, it could show we have turned the corner, and could go on a run like the end of last season. Could end up putting pressure on Newcastle and Southampton.
But if we revert back to the normal home dross for the Stoke game, it will show the Chelsea game was another "one off" against good opposition, and we could be in for nervous grind to safety.
Beat stoke and we can open up a gap in 10 th place - I can't see us catching anyone higher than that but would be delighted with a top 10 finish.
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There's now a better Premier League predictor with full remaining fixtures:
https://www.thesportspredictor.com/app/?_tp=predictor&f_mp
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But if we revert back to the normal home dross for the Stoke game, it will show the Chelsea game was another "one off" against good opposition, and we could be in for nervous grind to safety.
Doubtful. We need to get 6 points from 9 games to make the "magic" 40 points. Villa might be inconsistent but there isn't much indication we won't get those points with relative ease, even if we put in a bad shift against Stoke.
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Done it again and much healthier state of affairs -
I have villa 10th on 48 points and palace Fulham and Cardiff to drop .
Also close finish with Chelsea finishing on 87 and Liverpool and man city both on 86 to play each other in the last game to be rearranged.
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Done it again and much healthier state of affairs -
I have villa 10th on 48 points and palace Fulham and Cardiff to drop .
Also close finish with Chelsea finishing on 87 and Liverpool and man city both on 86 to play each other in the last game to be rearranged.
Hmm, given we've got Man U, Man City, and Spurs (all away) still to play, I think 4 wins and 2 draws from our last 9 is ambitious.
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I had us around tenth. A draw at Man U and defeats at bogey grounds the etihad and WHL. wins v palace, hull, stoke and Fulham. Draws v swansea and saints.
Chelsea pipping citeh to the league and palace, Cardiff and Norwich down
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Had to redo my predictions as I had thr Baggies staying up in the first one.
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Fulham and Cardiff going south. Us finishing 13th, with Chelsea champions.
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I think West Barcelona Albion will stay up. Unfortunately.
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I think West Barcelona Albion will stay up. Unfortunately.
I quite like a few local derbies and if the baggies survive and leicester and derby or forest come up it will give us 5 midlands teams in the premiership .
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I think West Barcelona Albion will stay up. Unfortunately.
I agree. Fulham and Cardiff look dead and buried and Norwich's run in is horrendous. I can't see anyone else dropping unfortunately.
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Had to redo my predictions as I had thr Baggies staying up in the first one.
Still laughing.
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I think West Barcelona Albion will stay up. Unfortunately.
I think they will too, and while it would have caused great celebration to have seen them relegated, it will provide us with as much if not more fun seeing them fighting to keep their head above water all of next season. I find their delusions of grandeur endless entertainment.
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There's a faint possibility we could end up adding an extra 21-22 points by the end of the season if the Chelsea game raises the team's belief and confidence.......Old Trafford win by 3 goals anyone?
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Surely a result like Saturday's emphasises the futility of these predictor things.
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If Saturday is the new benchmark, then can somebody give me a good reason why we cannot go to Old Trafford and get a good result? Its not just Liverpool going there and battering them, but the likes of Fulham getting a point, West Brom and Newcastle beating them too. They really are an upper mid-table side.
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These predictors can't distinguish between bollix and gonads.
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I predict that we will lose at least one game we are expected to win, and vice versa. Finish champions of the bottom half of the table.
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Winning on Sunday is very important. Do that and we have the momentum and confidence to go on and finish very strongly. Lets not let another end to the season be spoiled by the turd that wont flush from 40 miles up the road.
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There's a faint possibility we could end up adding an extra 21-22 points by the end of the season if the Chelsea game raises the team's belief and confidence.......Old Trafford win by 3 goals anyone?
At least three. No point in going easy on them.
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Surely a result like Saturday's emphasises the futility of these predictor things.
Where Villa are concerned yes that's always the case. Everyone else it applies.
I want Fulham to stay up.
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Had us 11th on 43 pts. I'd take that. Wages down, points up, goal difference up, position up. A decent season.
Norwich, Palace and Cardiff to go down.
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If Swansea hadn't have lain back and thought of Snowdon on Saturday afternoon, I think the Tescos would have dropped this season. That win keeps them up for me, unfortunately.
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Had us 11th on 43 pts. I'd take that. Wages down, points up, goal difference up, position up. A decent season.
Agreed, I think many of us predicted something similar at the start of the season and I'm absolutely fine with that. Lambert's had to gut and re-build this team, so for his first two seasons to be avoiding relegation, followed by a solid mid-table finish, we're heading in the right direction.
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I've just done the predictor for the second time this season. Last time I had us 11th with 43pts , this time (filled with confidence from Saturday) I have us tenth with 48. Again I had City as champions but only a point ahead of Chelsea and 4 ahead of Liverpool. Although I tip Norwich to go down with Fulham and Cardiff, for the second time my predictor replaces them with Palace. Also for the second time Hull get sucked into trouble.
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10th on 49 points.
City to win the title with Liverpool 2nd, and Chelsea 3rd, both 2 points behind City.
West Brom, Norwich and Cardiff to go down.
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10th on 44-46 for me. Couple of results I was torn on, but essentially a decent spot to be. If we got to 46 then that would be the same as the Houllier season when we still had Downing playing brilliantly for us and Young on the other side, plus a much more experienced midfield and back 4, so would be a pretty decent finish.
It all makes this summer vitally important to build on it with 3-4 really good players. not 8-9 punts. 3-4 quality additions, plus Bertie long term!
Delph and Vlaar are the most important thing though.
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If Saturday is the new benchmark, then can somebody give me a good reason why we cannot go to Old Trafford and get a good result? Its not just Liverpool going there and battering them, but the likes of Fulham getting a point, West Brom and Newcastle beating them too. They really are an upper mid-table side.
We are terrified of Manure, for no great reason. At Villa Park every time Rooney touched the ball our players visibly shrank away from him. They haven't got a very good team, apart from up front, but you know we'll bottle it. Strangely we never seem worried about Chelsea.
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West Ham have the toughest fixtures on paper I'd say, Norwich desperately need some points before their final 4 league games.
Ours aren't too bad, a win at home to either Stoke, Fulham, or Hull should see us safe.
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If we beat Stoke, that will be 3 wins on the bounce and 4 wins from our last 5 home games.
That should hopefully help us build momentum for the remainder of the campaign and for start of next season.
I for one am just glad we can relax a little now regarding relegation and enjoy the games a bit more. UTV.
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If Saturday is the new benchmark, then can somebody give me a good reason why we cannot go to Old Trafford and get a good result? Its not just Liverpool going there and battering them, but the likes of Fulham getting a point, West Brom and Newcastle beating them too. They really are an upper mid-table side.
They'll probably recall Macheda on the morning of the game from the temple of doom and he'll smash in a 96th minute 40 yard volley winner.
We are condemned for eternal misery in Manchester I'm afraid.
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If Saturday is the new benchmark, then can somebody give me a good reason why we cannot go to Old Trafford and get a good result? Its not just Liverpool going there and battering them, but the likes of Fulham getting a point, West Brom and Newcastle beating them too. They really are an upper mid-table side.
We are terrified of Manure, for no great reason. At Villa Park every time Rooney touched the ball our players visibly shrank away from him. They haven't got a very good team, apart from up front, but you know we'll bottle it. Strangely we never seem worried about Chelsea.
Aye it's certainly psychologically. How can it be that we annually give Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool all really good games and take points off them and yet crumble time and again to Man. United?
My other theory is them endlessly crossing the ball all the time under Moyes actually highlights a weakness in our game.
If you think back to the Villa Park game, all three of Hernandez goals came from crosses/high balls as did two of RVP's at Old Trafford. And Wellbeck scored from a cross at Villa Park.
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Beat them away in 2009/10. It's a pity one of those draws at home under MON didn't result in some sort of a win.
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Whenever I've been bothered to do one of these I end up with Villa winning the league. I just did it again and unfortunately we've run out of games and possible points. We did end up in 9th though.
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Beat them away in 2009/10. It's a pity one of those draws at home under MON didn't result in some sort of a win.
That sad part about that game was that we'd taken 4 points off Utd by the time the League Cup Final rolled in. And given our horrendous record against them over the years, it was almost inevitable that we wouldn't be able to beat them twice in one season, let alone not lose to the bastards.
Anyway...I fancy us to get something against them at O.T this season. They're not great. There's no point in us being afraid of them. Lets go out and try to win. That was the worst part of the VP game. They were there for the taking but we didn't even try to win.
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We did try to start with, we just gave up the second they scored.
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We did try to start with, we just gave up the second they scored.
Correct. We even had a few admittedly tame shots on goal in the early period of the game.
Vlaar wasn't playing, and it was fairly standard for our defence to become disorganized after a setback in his absence.
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They ripped us apart on the left that day....Luna was going through a terrible run of form and Rafael and Valencia (who's having an awful season) had a field day down that side.
We do seem to struggle to contain their flair players a lot more than other sides when you think we comfortably marked Hazard out of the game at weekend and he's one of the most inform players in the league.
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Phew ...
13 Hull City 38 -9 40
14 West Brom 38 -13 39
15 Sunderland 38 -22 38
16 West Ham 38 -14 37
17 Aston Villa 38 -18 37
18 Fulham 38 -41 35
19 Norwich 38 -30 33
20 Cardiff 38 -36 31
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you could well be right. Even two places higher and its Thank you and goodnight, Paul
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I think it could easily go to the last day and that is a concern as the others all have winnable games and we will most likely lose at spurs
Cardiff v Chelsea (title probably over Chelsea on beach)
Fulham v palace (palace safe on beach)
Norwich v arsenal (never trust arsenal for a result)
Sunderland v Swansea (swans safe on beach)
WBA v Stoke (Stoke safe on beach)
Very worried
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I think it could easily go to the last day and that is a concern as the others all have winnable games and we will most likely lose at spurs
Cardiff v Chelsea (title probably over Chelsea on beach)
Fulham v palace (palace safe on beach)
Norwich v arsenal (never trust arsenal for a result)
Sunderland v Swansea (swans safe on beach)
WBA v Stoke (Stoke safe on beach)
Very worried
Sunderland will need 2 wins and a draw from 4 games
Cardiff 2 wins from 3
Fulham 2 wins from 3
Norwich 1 win and a draw from 3
That's without us picking up another point. It would be an incredible turn around.
I reckon we've 2 - 4 points in us. Swansea and Hull safe on the beach, as you put it.
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I have us in 15th on 37 pts. Below us, in order, are Sunderland, West Brom, Norwich, Fulham and Cardiff.
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Spurs are the most "on the beach" club ever. Man City might be on the beach too...we might even be on the beach come the last game.
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Problem is we can't score goals
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Problem is we can't score goals
Plus we don't create many goal scoring chances from midfield - not a good combination is it??
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Our best chance is possibly an own goal or a penalty . Who would take the pen though ?
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Spurs are the most "on the beach" club ever. Man City might be on the beach too...we might even be on the beach come the last game.
If it goes to the last game, I'll be on the bleach
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Our best chance is possibly an own goal or a penalty . Who would take the pen though ?
It won't be Barry............
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Our best chance is possibly an own goal or a penalty . Who would take the pen though ?
Tonev?
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Our best chance is possibly an own goal or a penalty . Who would take the pen though ?
It won't be Barry............
Why ?
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Our best chance is possibly an own goal or a penalty . Who would take the pen though ?
Bacuna