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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on February 05, 2014, 06:51:31 PM
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Saturday 8.2.14 KO 3pm
New issue of H&V will be on sale and is available from all your usual friendly sellers, especially me. Hopefully I'll be in my usual spot outside the Trinity Road gates. Make the most of this opportunity as it looks like part of the matchday Villa Park experience for the last 25 years is now going digital. Sighs. Shakes head.
2-0
Benteke 18, 74
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2-1 Villa
Benteke (2)
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Us 4 Them 1
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In terms of morale, and steering clear of danger, obviously a must win. And we will- 2-0 benteke with both.
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Must win game I think,hope gabby and vlaar are ok to play. 2-1 villa win!
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My cousin who lives in Canada is coming over He lands at Heathrow on Saturday at 10 am and is coming directly to Villa
Park for the game, he hasn't seen them for years and is really excited.
Just win Villa. Please
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Gave up predicting anything we do three games ago
Just play a bit and do some goals and defending and passing to each other please
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we'll fucking batter 'em, ay it?
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we'll fucking batter 'em, ay it?
Ahhh. 4-1 Villa
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1-0 bacuna free kick
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1-1 if Vlaar's out, 1-0 if he's not.
Benteke to score for us and Downing for them if they get one.
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We are so un-predictable. No idea how this will go or what Villa side will turn up, but being positive...2-1. Can't see us keeping a clean sheet, even with the Geordie out.
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A very tense and boring 1-0 victory
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A very tense and boring 1-0 victory
That would do for me at the moment. 3 points!
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No Carroll is a blow for them, but their defensive approach will mean we'll struggle to break them down, get in behind or run into space. That said, I do think that if anyone's going to win this game it'll be us, if for no other reason than Benteke against Roger Johnson.
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No Carroll is a blow for them, but their defensive approach will mean we'll struggle to break them down, get in behind or run into space. That said, I do think that if anyone's going to win this game it'll be us, if for no other reason than Benteke against Roger Johnson.
True, but fat Sam will fancy his chances, they need the points, I reckon they will go for it.
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No Carroll is a blow for them, but their defensive approach will mean we'll struggle to break them down, get in behind or run into space. That said, I do think that if anyone's going to win this game it'll be us, if for no other reason than Benteke against Roger Johnson.
True, but fat Sam will fancy his chances, they need the points, I reckon they will go for it.
Which suits us fine.
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An huge win to paper over the cracks of the season and convince Lerner he's made the right choice. For once Lambert's post match comments will actually reflect the game.
6-1 Villa.
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No Carroll is a blow for them, but their defensive approach will mean we'll struggle to break them down, get in behind or run into space. That said, I do think that if anyone's going to win this game it'll be us, if for no other reason than Benteke against Roger Johnson.
True, but fat Sam will fancy his chances, they need the points, I reckon they will go for it.
Fat ****** Sam's West Ham will "go for it"?!?!?!??!
Go for what exactly? The pies? He doesn't know the meaning of the word attack. He makes TSM look like Kevin Keegan.
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We roll over for all the teams that need points so fully expecting a 0-0 or 1-1 result.
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With no Andy Carroll to make a nuisance of himself I fancy us to win a tense game 2-0; Benteke to score early doors followed by 80+ minutes of frustration before an injury time goal from Grant Holt sends us all home happy
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No Carroll is a blow for them, but their defensive approach will mean we'll struggle to break them down, get in behind or run into space. That said, I do think that if anyone's going to win this game it'll be us, if for no other reason than Benteke against Roger Johnson.
True, but fat Sam will fancy his chances, they need the points, I reckon they will go for it.
Fat c*** Sam's West Ham will "go for it"?!?!?!??!
Go for what exactly? The pies? He doesn't know the meaning of the word attack. He makes TSM look like Kevin Keegan.
We'll yes, it's all relative. They will play their normal brand of dire football rather than what they did vs Chelsea.
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A very nervy 1-0 win. Bertrand to score it.
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I've actually gone for a Villa win solely on the fact that Bentekkers is scoring so he will outscore them. 3-2 but our performance will be shit.
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This will be a poor quality affair.
Villa to squeak it
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This will be a feast for the eyes, ain't no denyin'.
1-0 (Weimann)
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Still laughing at the decision not to overturn Carrols red. Epic Lolz.
2-1, Bert and Tekkers, new Italian for them.
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West Ham are fighting hard to get Carroll available for this one in some shape or form going to the court of arbitration. He plays, we could well struggle. Draw.
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Bad news folks - I'm coming to this one and I haven't seen the Villa win live since John Carew's home debut (forgive me, Singapore is a long way). That was 2007 I believe.... Funnily enough that was against West Aaaam too so I reckon this is the one to break the sequence.
2-1.
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No Carroll = no excuses.
2-1: Late Benteke pen and Nzogbia Bacuna free-kick. Who was it that scored a dozy og for the them last year to let 'em back in, Westwood?
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1-1 benteke
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Is it possible for both sides to register 20% possession each, seeing as the ball will probably be in the air for the remaining 60% of play?! 1-0 El Ahmadi - which will guarantee a starting berth for the next 5 games :-\
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If it becomes a hoofing battle, Collins seems more accurate than Clark
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If I remember right it was around this time last year that we started getting something resembling acceptable home form by beating West Ham in a nervy 2-1 game. I am going for the same result in the same type of game and the same sort of home run till the end of the season. Groundhog day time.
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I will be there expecting a home win and will be genuinely dismayed if Villa do not follow up on the Baggies match by ending the home form hoodoo. However, Sam loves a clean sheet and Villa struggle to break down defences.
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It surely has to be a better game than the absolute rubbish nil nil job at Upton Park a few months ago.
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Bad news folks - I'm coming to this one and I haven't seen the Villa win live since John Carew's home debut (forgive me, Singapore is a long way). That was 2007 I believe.... Funnily enough that was against West Aaaam too so I reckon this is the one to break the sequence.
2-1.
I wish you a good trip and hope history will repeat itself with another win against West Ham, only this time with Holt the debut scorer ;-)
I really hope we dont play 5 at the back, if we do...
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Absolutely guarantee someone will be sent off in a dreadful game. That person will be either Collins J, Johnson R, or Holt G.
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Our players are tired and crap and playing at home against a West Ham who are beginning to believe in themsleves again. I see a narrow away win.
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We seem to struggle against teams who have players missing for some reason. I'll go for 1-1. Benteke penalty. Nolan for them.
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Another frustrating encounter. 1-1.
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This has 0-0 written all over it.
I can't go, and to be honest I'm not sorry. Fair play to anyone who does- its surely gonna be an absolute stinker.
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It surely has to be a better game than the absolute rubbish nil nil job at Upton Park a few months ago.
What a strange game that was. The most one sided 0-0 draw I've seen in years and yet on all three occasions we entered their half we should have scored.
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Absolutely guarantee someone will be sent off in a dreadful game. That person will be either Collins J, Johnson R, or Holt G.
I would like to see Collins and Johnson stay on the pitch as I think they are both capable of putting in a performance of Diego Lugano quality on their day.
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It surely has to be a better game than the absolute rubbish nil nil job at Upton Park a few months ago.
What a strange game that was. The most one sided 0-0 draw I've seen in years and yet on all three occasions we entered their half we should have scored.
strange game indeed, I said to some of my West Ham friends that although they had all the game we had the only real chances of scoring..
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Any win will do!
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The Villa 2 - Fat Sam's kit stealers 0
welcome to Villa Park Stewart......you spineless ponce...
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If I remember right it was around this time last year that we started getting something resembling acceptable home form by beating West Ham in a nervy 2-1 game. I am going for the same result in the same type of game and the same sort of home run till the end of the season. Groundhog day time.
Ahem:
No Carroll = no excuses.
2-1: Late Benteke pen and Nzogbia Bacuna free-kick. Who was it that scored a dozy og for the them last year to let 'em back in, Westwood?
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Is it my turn to ask 'any news on Gabby'?
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I am keeping fingers crossed for a win
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From the archives:
There was an air of astonishment as Villa came walking out of the tunnel for their home game with West Ham on April 18, 2009.
You see, they were wearing all-white.
No, not in their matchday warm-up jackets - on this occasion they were donning their third kit.
Yes, their change strip at their home ground of Villa Park.
But, as then manager Martin O'Neill made clear in his programme notes for the following week's fixture against Hull, the situation was unavoidable.
He wrote in the Villa News & Record: "You will be pleased to know we will be playing in our traditional claret and blue shirts tonight.
"I'm sure you were surprised to see our players coming out in an all-white kit for our last home match against West Ham a couple of weeks ago, so perhaps I should explain why it happened.
"Essentially, the referee was unhappy because the sleeves of West Ham's all-blue away kit clashed with the sleeves of our shirts, and I had some sympathy with him in that respect.
"But the Hammers didn't seem to have any other kit with them - and the ref was adamant the game wouldn't go ahead unless the clash was resolved.
"Reluctantly, we agreed to change, which meant we had to get our third choice white shirts from the Villa Store warehouse.
"The ironic thing is that the Barclays Premier League had approved West Ham's change kit but the referee was unhappy on the day. Quite simply, something had to give, or there would have been no game.
"For the sake of all the people who were at Villa Park eagerly looking forward to the action, we decided to change, even though the onus is on the away team to provide alternative colours.
"I have to say, though, that it was an incredible situation, and one I had never previously experienced, either as a player or a manager. It's certainly something which should have been sorted out days in advance."
As well as the disbelief in the stands, there were also logistical issues.
At 2.30pm, merchandising manager John Greenfield and his team were asked if they could get a set of shirts numbered in time for kick-off.
The deadline was duly met but John decided that it wasn't good enough.
He and four members of staff spent the first half preparing another set which featured the names of the players, the Barclays Premier League logo and the logo of club partners Acorns.
He said at the time: "We estimated we'd get the job done by the interval and we finished with five minutes to spare.
"Kit manager Ian Paul was on standby and he rushed the shirts from the Villa Store to the dressing room.
"The referee had been willing to accept shirts with just numbers but we like to do things properly."
The game itself was as exciting as the events off the field.
Villa looked on course for three points for much of the contest as they dominated for long periods.
Emile Heskey made a scoring return to the starting line-up, firing the hosts into the lead on 10 minutes.
Heskey was back from an achilles injury and replaced Gabby Agbonlahor.
The striker finished off a flowing move which began with a flick-on from John Carew just inside the Hammers half.
He found Gareth Barry, who switched play to James Milner on the right-hand side and Heskey made no mistake in converting the winger's low cross.
Villa could and should have added to their lead, with Carew, Barry and Milner all going close with efforts on Rob Green's goal.
But West Ham stunned the hosts with a late strike from Diego Tristan.
Villa were hit by a sucker punch five minutes from time.
They were unable to clear a West Ham corner and Tristan intelligently flicked Kieron Dyer's volley inside the post to level the scores.
There was still time for a penalty shout when James Tomkins looked to have handled inside the area but Rob Styles waved away the appeals - just as he did with claret and blue officials before the game.
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I said in another thread that I expect Fat Sam to set up for a draw and think he'll get it. Flipside to that is Carroll being out and IF Gabby and Vlaar are fit, then you'd have to put us as favourites.
If we do win it, I can see it being a scrappy 1-0 game.
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I wonder if they'll be as dirty as last year, when every time we had an attack they fouled us. After the game Allardyce said "they scored from a freekick and a penalty".
Both of which were!! You cheating swine!
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3-1 Villa.
West Ham at home has been an absolute banker for as long as I've been a Villa fan, except on a couple of occasions thanks to stellar performances from Paul Ince, Nigel Reo-Coker and Marlon Harewood.
Guess which one we didn't sign afterwards.
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I flew over for this fixture last season and had a great day. I had feared Carroll against our defence but they handled him very well. We were on 21 points before that game so it was a huge win.
I think we can grind out a result again. 2-0.
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Think this will be similar to the Cardiff game. West Ham will be organised but limited and unambitious and we will find a way through. 2-0 Villa.
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We will score at least three. Trust me.
Smirker.
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1-0 bacuna free kick
Yeah I was thinking that.
This screams out draw to me as this game won't be as open as the West Brom game. Big Sam will park Tomkins and Collins on the 6 yard box and try to score from a set piece. So we could require some Bacuna magic just like from the Cardiff game.
That's why I wouldn't be tempted to rush Gabby back, rather save him for the Cardiff game or give him a 25 minute run out from the bench.
I'd imagine this is a game where the much lamented creative midfielder will hurt us again.
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Just heard the tail-end of something on the radio about West Ham going through another stage of appeal against Carroll's red card and there's the possibility - though it's pretty unlikely - that they will hear back on Friday whether he's eligible to play against us. Should he play, though, and Vlaar is out, it's a very different game.
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If there's one game that we'll be expected to dominate possession, surely, SURELY, it's this one. I don't expect to see West Ham leave with 3 points. They're too shit. Whether they hold out for a fuck ugly draw is another matter.
I think we'll win though, particularly if Gabbaldinho is back.
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We will, for once, click as a team. KEA will have a good game as he won't have to do what he can't do very well (help out the full back) and will score a tap-in inside the 6 yard box. Benteke will terrorise them, scoring one with his massive Belgian head from a Bertrand cross & the other from the edge of the box.
Nolan will grab one back just after half time. Twenty minutes later Weimann will continue his scoring streak with a tidy finish past the oncoming keeper. The 5th will complete Benteke's hat-trick after another breakaway move.
Spammers will score a 2nd in the 93rd minute to make it 5-2 but we reply instantly in a 'crazy' last 90 seconds making it 6-2 with a Westwood lob from 25 yards.
Home hoodoo smashed.
Either that or 0-0
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@MatKendrick: Gabby Agbonlahor set to return to #avfc action this weekend, but Ron Vlaar is still doubtful
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By Darren Lewis | 05/02/14
West Ham are ready to throw the FA’s disciplinary system into disarray over Andy Carroll’s controversial sending-off.
The Hammers remain furious after their appeal against the red card, shown by World Cup referee Howard Webb in the win over Swansea last weekend, was thrown out on Tuesday.
They now want the Football Association to agree to an arbitration hearing under Rule K - in which an independent body sits in judgement on disputes - by Friday.
If they do not get one, they will go to the High Court seeking an injunction to block Carroll’s dismissal pending a personal hearing.
It woud free up Carroll to play in the crunch relegation battles against Aston Villa on Saturday and Norwich next Tuesday.
The unprecedented action from the Hammers, who have enlisted top QC Lord David Pannick, has huge wider ramifications.
All clubs have signed up to an FA agreement that the decision of an independent panel in relation to wrongful dismissal claims is final and not subject to appeal.
Pannick, however, has queried the FA’s claim that there has to be an “obvious error” for the dismissal to be overturned.
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He swung an elbow, get over it West Ham.
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The Cockney chancers have Bob Hope of having a hearing heard inside 24 hours.
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I think 'Pannick' is a rather appropriate QC to represent West Ham and the way they're acting when faced, once again, with the absence of the man who comprises their entire attack.
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Chico time does himself no favours but I just can't see enough for it to be rescinded.
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/carrol-red.gif)
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Chico time does himself no favours but I just can't see enough for it to be rescinded.
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/carrol-red.gif)
That's the first time I've seen that, and as laughable as Chico's reaction was I think there was intent from Carroll.
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Well it was something and nothing, the fact the ref was looking straight at it means the FA will back their boy or risk looking foolish and undermining all refs. If he's out I think will nail this. Consecutive home victories though?? Think I'd be more inclined to believe "The Gospel According to St Whatyercall'im". 3 points Saturday, 3 more on Tuesday and relegation threat is over for the year.
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It was certainly a debateable decision to send Carroll off but surely doesn't warrant legal action. What precedent would that set for football if West Ham were successful? Perhaps retrospectively we could sue Phil Dowd for not sending off Vidic in the first few minutes of our League Cup Final a few years ago,
and get awarded the cup, or at worst a rematch.
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I think that this will be a tough game, West Spam have had eleven clean sheets and we struggle to break down teams at home. I think it will either be 0-0 or a 0-1 away win. Hope I'm wrong and we smash em.
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Ron Vlaar remains a doubt for Saturday's clash against West Ham - but Gabby Agbonlahor is hopeful of making a return.
Vlaar came off with a hamstring injury in last weekend's 2-1 defeat to Everton.
The skipper was forced to sit out the last 10 minutes of the clash at Goodison Park and now he is facing a battle to be ready for the visit of the Hammers.
Manager Paul Lambert and his staff will wait until tomorrow to decide whether the Dutch central defender is fit enough to play a part.
But there is a more positive outlook for Agbonlahor who has been missing since colliding with an advertising board in the 2-2 draw at Liverpool three weeks ago.
Lambert is optimistic about the striker's chances of returning.
"Ron is a doubt. We need to see how he is tomorrow," said the manager.
"If he is not fit we've still got the two lads - Nathan Baker and Ciaran Clark - at the back anyway. It is somebody else's chance to get in.
"Gabby looks pretty good at the minute and everybody else is in fine health."
Meanwhile, Chris Herd is available again after hamstring problem as is Joe Bennett who stepped up his recovery from a back injury by turning out for the U21s on Monday.
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Chico time does himself no favours but I just can't see enough for it to be rescinded.
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/carrol-red.gif)
That's the first time I've seen that, and as laughable as Chico's reaction was I think there was intent from Carroll.
I'm torn on this. Chico's having a bobble hat and scarf there for sure. I do think if Carroll had intent to plant an elbow on Chico's mug, he'd have done a better job.
Call me an anarchist but it's almost a shame he didn't smash that tossers conk in. I might be a little harsh perhaps...
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Those spiteful little Cockneys and their orrible porn peddling owners. If Carroll plays this Saturday, Villa should sue the FA, too.
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They cheated to get out of relegation a few years ago with Tevez and Macherano, which resulted in Shef Utd going down. I have fuck all sympathy for them now (despite the fact they are owned by those 2 fine upstanding gentlemen).
What goes around, comes around.
Anyway, he swung he arm & the intent was there, stop bitching.
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After seeing that I think the ban should stand he clearly swings the arm they quickly pulls it back and gives the ref the innocent look.Did he catch him ..no but there was clear intent
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West Ham, dont have a leg to stand on..All decisions on fact are in the opinion of the referee.
The so called experts defence of Carroll is that there is minimal if any contact, but the in the Laws of the game, Kicking/striking OR attempting to kick/strike is violent conduct and therefore a red card offence.
In the opinion of the ref, carroll attempted to strike flores, wether there is contact is irrellevant, its still a red card offence.
Its not mistaken identity, its not wrong in law, its down to the opinion of the ref and no one else.
How many players get away with a yellow when tv shows it should/could have been red, but it stays at yellow.
They cant have it both ways
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2-0 Benteke 25, Gabby 66 a rare routine home win!
UTV!
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Will be interesting to see how we fare up against a team that wants us to have possession, gives us some time on the ball to try and unlock them.
It seems like a game where Westwood could potentially do well, he has a nice pass on him when he is given space.
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Will be interesting to see how we fare up against a team that wants us to have possession, gives us some time on the ball to try and unlock them.
It'll be a stand off, both teams refusing to enjoy possession. They'll take turns walloping it out of the ground at the Holte / Witton corner.
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We will wallop them, i think that is the technical term for it.
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We will wallop them, i think that is the technical term for it.
I would love us to wallop them, but being the optimistic grumpy fu**er that I am I think we'll make hard work of beating a team that are there for the taking!
Bollux!
1-0 (Delph)
UTV!
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Chico time does himself no favours but I just can't see enough for it to be rescinded.
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/carrol-red.gif)
That's the first time I've seen that, and as laughable as Chico's reaction was I think there was intent from Carroll.
I'm torn on this. Chico's having a bobble hat and scarf there for sure. I do think if Carroll had intent to plant an elbow on Chico's mug, he'd have done a better job.
Call me an anarchist but it's almost a shame he didn't smash that tossers conk in. I might be a little harsh perhaps...
This.
Absofu**inglutely"
ps: tosser's.
Don't forget the apostrophe!
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Carroll is not only shit in front of goal, but he's shit when it comes to swinging his arm. Like most of his shot attempts he does try to hit the target but usually misses.
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Having Carroll out is like having Benteke out. So it will lower there levels of expectations. We need to score early and get the crowd buzzing. 2-0 Delph-Bacuna ........
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Find out tomorrow if they get an injunction to stop the ban.If they do get one pretty much means no FA ruling is binding and you can go to court to fight it meanwhile avoiding the ban.
The other ramification is if Carroll was to play the next 3 games and contribute to a win then subsequently lose his appeal can ourselves and the other 2 teams then go to court to overturn the match result ?
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Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9153694/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-has-some-concerns-on-west-ham-appealing-andy-carrolls-red-card)
Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert has some concerns on West Ham appealing Andy Carroll's red card
Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert reckons a successful West Ham appeal on Andy Carroll's red card against Swansea may lead to chaos in the game.
The Hammers are trying to seek an arbitration panel hearing into Carroll's sending off during their 2-0 win over Swansea last weekend.
This week a three-man Football Association appeal's body upheld the decision of referee Howard Webb to dismiss Carroll following a clash with Chico Flores.
Speaking ahead of Villa's Premier League clash with West Ham, Lambert insists he understands West Ham's reasoning.
But the Scot also feels a dangerous precedent could be set the case goes before an arbitration panel as that would give other clubs the opportunity to ignore future FA decisions.
"I don't get involved in somebody else's business. It's up to West Ham and what they want to do," said Lambert.
"I don't know the ins and outs. All I know is they're debating trying to get him off. It's not my remit, it's for West Ham.
"But if is overruled then you create a monster of everybody wanting to do the same. That's what could happen."
Asked whether he would go down a similar route if the circumstances were the same and Villa striker Christian Benteke was in the dock, Lambert added: "It's hard to say. You can understand West Ham trying.
"You'd have to judge the incident on its merit. Everybody is going to be different, whether they think something is dangerous or not. That is their own perception.
"Whether West Ham see they've a chance to get it rescinded, I don't know."
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They should both have got redcards. Carroll initially tried to extricate himself from the shoulder hold by Chico and used an elbow - worthy of at least a yellow card but then Carroll swung an arm which hit Chico on the top of the head in retaliation - a red card, but chico's reaction was as much worthy of an oscar as another card for simulation of being injured.
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I agree Surrey. Thing is there is no need for Carroll to spin round with an arm flailing, it is a half hearted attempt to catch him without question, which is under the laws a sending off offence.
Them taking it to a legal battle is in my opinion totally out of order and clutching at straws to keep him available for 2 games they think they can win against us and Norwich. If he plays, they win both, he scores and then the arbitration panel reject it, frankly we should bang in our own legal challenge to the result and demand a replay. All if's and buts, but going down a legal route essentially to misdirect to enable him to play the next 2 is a farce.
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Lambert should focus on his own team, get it right and we'll slaughter them. Gabby will be available, West Ham will be more concerned with their 6 pointer against Norwich 4 days later. Trying to play Mourinho style games just makes him look the weakling kicking the geek after he's been decked.
Get focused, Paul and get the lads up and ready to rip West Ham a new one. We're not as bad as you make us out to play. I still seeing us absolutely destroying West Ham, what we need to do is get our own game right.
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Where has he tried Mourinho style games?
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I dont think Carroll will make much a of a difference to the result either way to be honest.
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Where has he tried Mourinho style games?
I take it you never read the previous article. Let's get focused on ourselves. If I was BFS I'd be saying "And they call me a ugly football manager?". Glass houses etc..
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Where has he tried Mourinho style games?
I take it you never read the previous article. Let's get focused on ourselves. If I was BFS I'd be saying "And they call me a ugly football manager?". Glass houses etc..
I'm sure he is focused on us. It's not like he was asked about our team and he said "No, I want to talk about West Ham."
Just answering a direct question.
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Where has he tried Mourinho style games?
I take it you never read the previous article. Let's get focused on ourselves. If I was BFS I'd be saying "And they call me a ugly football manager?". Glass houses etc..
I accept that we haven't played well at times but please don't tell me you are putting Lambert and that caveman Allardyce in the same sentence.
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Rudy "this is pub football" Lambert shocker?
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Should be interesting with heavy rain and 50 to 60mph winds forecast!
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I think the legal action could disrupt West Hams preparation's, is BFS coaching his team to play with or without Carroll?
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This Carroll shit is a sideshow and re-emphasises for the umpteenth time what a set of twunts West Ham's current owners are, as we've all known for years. Hopefully it distracts them to such an extent they turn up at Villa Park even more useless than they have been the majority of this season already. 3-0 Villa.
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Rudy "this is pub football" Lambert shocker?
Ha! I've already predicted a very healthy win, Gabby will be back, still doubts on Vlaar but I don't see why we should go out of our way to piss off BFS. Let our football do the talking.
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Bugger! Lawro's predicted us to win. And I was looking forward to tomorrow...
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I dont think Carroll will make much a of a difference to the result either way to be honest.
I do. Not to say they can't win without him but when he plays he's their main man.
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Whilst I think West Ham have given up any attempt to retain any dignity over this, the increased amounts of money involved for clubs makes this kind of desperation more likely. If their next 3 games were Arsenal, Man City and Chelsea, it's doubtful they would have made a fuss.
Without Vlaar, I also think Carroll will be influential for them.
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Where has he tried Mourinho style games?
I take it you never read the previous article. Let's get focused on ourselves. If I was BFS I'd be saying "And they call me a ugly football manager?". Glass houses etc..
Of course I read it. He answered a question he was asked. Not exactly a Mourinho esque mind game was it.
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If he gets let off we should appeal that decision and have game the postponed so we can get Vlaar fit....it's no more ludicrous than an independent panel upholding a red card only for the team to threaten to go to the High Court.
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If Vlaar's out we're in trouble.
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The weather tomorrow could be a big factor. Very windy and wet is the current forecast. If Carroll plays that should nullify his heading ability.
Not that I think he will get off. It would create a dangerous precedent if the club succeed in their action.
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Whether he plays or not makes little difference to be honest. Andy Carroll is shite. He's most likely to get himself sent off, injured or just toil away all game offering very little. Scoring goals is the least likely thing he'll do. Liverpool and now West Ham have waited years for him to recreate what he did in half a season for Newcastle 4-5 years ago.
With the conditions due and the two teams I see this as being potentially the most godawful match to watch since the creation of football. I do expect us to win though, by the odd goal.
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I've never liked Wet Spam!
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Whether he plays or not makes little difference to be honest. Andy Carroll is shite.
Sorry but that's bollocks. He's the spearhead of the way West Ham play and for Allerdyce he's very effective. You only had to see what he did for them last week before he got sent off to know that.
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And according to this Vlaar is out:
http://www.teamtalk.com/match/preview/978/9154139/-?
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Its a strange one for Villa to prepare for too with the uncertainty. If it were any other player they would not have bothered. That's how influential he is. He has bullied us before too. He will have a big influence.
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And according to this Vlaar is out:
http://www.teamtalk.com/match/preview/978/9154139/-?
On the OS say Vlaar is "doubtful" but "Gabby Agbonlahor is hopeful of making a return".
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Whether he plays or not makes little difference to be honest. Andy Carroll is shite.
Sorry but that's bollocks. He's the spearhead of the way West Ham play and for Allerdyce he's very effective. You only had to see what he did for them last week before he got sent off to know that.
Got to agree. On his day, he's a very good player.
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If Carroll plays and we have Baker and Clark up against him God help us thats all i can say.
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Whether he plays or not makes little difference to be honest. Andy Carroll is shite.
Sorry but that's bollocks. He's the spearhead of the way West Ham play and for Allerdyce he's very effective. You only had to see what he did for them last week before he got sent off to know that.
Got to agree. On his day, he's a very good player.
I think he is what may be considered a "force multiplier" in military terms (shows how I think about Fat sam teams!) in that they are stronger with him as he adds weight to their "tactics"
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FA arbitration hearing on Carroll this morning, the FA gets to choose one member, Wet Spam another and the chairman "to be agreed upon".
And some attempt at justification from old Cockhead:
"Gold said: "There is nowhere to go other than to seek some kind of legal redress. It's not ideal – the last thing I want to do is going to some kind of legal issue because I think it is a footballing issue. If we were mid-table we would probably get on with it but we are fighting for our lives to retain our Premiership status and we owe it to our fans, we owe it to ourselves. We are a club that understands there are rules and we abide by them. But you have every commentator and 80% of the media saying it wasn't a sending-off.
"We are upset, we feel we have been badly treated. We are hugely disappointed at the outcome of the process."
Flores, who was caught by Carroll's flailing arm during West Ham's 2-0 win, has claimed there was "aggression" in the challenge. However, Gold is adamant that Webb's decision was incorrect and that the loss of Carroll for three matches could prove critical. "You can see the impact he has on our club," said Gold. " I feel sorry for him as well. He was shrugging the guy off; OK, he has messed his hair up but I don't think you should get sent off for messing somebody's hair up."
The possibility of taking the matter to the high court was suggested, although all Premier League clubs agreed on the disciplinary appeal process at the beginning of the campaign."
From the Grauniad.
Absolute waste of time.
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I dont think Carroll will make much a of a difference to the result either way to be honest.
He's still their biggest goalscoring threat though and Nolan is much better with him upfront so I'd rather we're facing Cole or Borriello. Have a feeling this will be overturned today.
I believe Herd is fit so if Vlaar is out wouldn't shock me if we went with 5 at the back again.
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Whether he plays or not makes little difference to be honest. Andy Carroll is shite.
Sorry but that's bollocks. He's the spearhead of the way West Ham play and for Allerdyce he's very effective. You only had to see what he did for them last week before he got sent off to know that.
He's not worth the transfer fees (not his fault) but yeah I'm amazed at people completely writing him off, August 2010 him and Nolan ripped us to shreds at Newcastle so he does have previous against us. Much more confident on the game without him playing.
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Plus he will be fired up as hell if it gets over turned.
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I thought Carroll's performance was the worst of any player at Villa Park last season - he was laughably bad.
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Plus he will be fired up as hell if it gets over turned.
I hope so. Andy Carroll fired up = red card waiting to happen.
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If Vlaar's out and Carroll plays, it's going to be tough. And before you mock, remember our defence conceded two goals in 10 minutes last week against a team without a striker.
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I believe Herd is fit so if Vlaar is out wouldn't shock me if we went with 5 at the back again.
Herd v Carroll I'd love to see. Carroll would end up wishing he'd been banned.
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5 at the back against West Ham at home? we better not do that.
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5 at the back against West Ham at home? we better not do that.
Don't get drawn into the notion that the wing backs system is defensive. It's not. Whatever formation we play, the attacking intent comes from the tactics deployed within that sytem.
After all, TSM used to set us up with 4 strikers!
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Last week was ultra defensive.
If we do that tomorrow, I will be upset, as there is no reason for it.
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I really don't care if he plays or not. We have dealt with like of Suarez etc in the last few weeks so Carroll=Donkey.
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If Clark and Baker are rubbish again we've got no one to blame but ourselves, it was obvious that we'd need another centre-back as cover, as Vlaar is always getting injured.
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5 at the back against West Ham at home? we better not do that.
Don't get drawn into the notion that the wing backs system is defensive. It's not. Whatever formation we play, the attacking intent comes from the tactics deployed within that sytem.
After all, TSM used to set us up with 4 strikers!
When we play three centre backs we tend to go defensive, so it's a symbolic thing with Lambert. There is no need to do that at home against West Ham.
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I would like to see Bacuna and Gabby wide around Benteke, but think we may see Bacuna back in at full back.
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I'm hoping we win this game obviously, but I fear the two issues we didn't address in January may be highlighted. We are without our only good centre half(not including Okore) and if West Ham put everyone behind the ball, we might lack the creativity to break them down.
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5 at the back against West Ham at home? we better not do that.
Don't get drawn into the notion that the wing backs system is defensive. It's not. Whatever formation we play, the attacking intent comes from the tactics deployed within that sytem.
After all, TSM used to set us up with 4 strikers!
When we play three centre backs we tend to go defensive, so it's a symbolic thing with Lambert. There is no need to do that at home against West Ham.
We used it when we won 3-1 at Anfield last season.
I think he deploys it when he wants two central strikers, but still maintaining 3 central midfielders.
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If Carroll plays i can see Baker trying to flying headbut his elbow in a last ditch tackle on the edge of the box and then going off with concussion around the 20 minute mark.
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I know we used it at Anfield, but that really was a break from the norm. In general when we've played 3 centre halves we've been very defensive. Also it's worth noting, it doesn't work at all if Vlaar doesn't play.
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I know we used it at Anfield, but that really was a break from the norm. In general when we've played 3 centre halves we've been very defensive. Also it's worth noting, it doesn't work at all if Vlaar doesn't play.
It also doesn't help when the three centre halves stand so close together as they did at Everton. There were five defenders and Baines still had plenty of space down the wing.
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I believe Herd is fit so if Vlaar is out wouldn't shock me if we went with 5 at the back again.
Herd v Carroll I'd love to see. Carroll would end up wishing he'd been banned.
I'd play Herd, just so that he could be let loose on Downing.
EDIT - In fact, how about four at the back but with Herd at Right Back and Bacuna pushed forward.
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I know we used it at Anfield, but that really was a break from the norm. In general when we've played 3 centre halves we've been very defensive. Also it's worth noting, it doesn't work at all if Vlaar doesn't play.
It also doesn't help when the three centre halves stand so close together as they did at Everton. There were five defenders and Baines still had plenty of space down the wing.
No matter what formation we play, we always offer teams as much space as they want down the wings. Lambert likes us to play narrow.
My major concern is that for three consecutive games we've been beaten by teams playing a quick one-two right through the middle of our defence. I hope that's something we won't see again this season.
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If Clark and Baker are rubbish again we've got no one to blame but ourselves, it was obvious that we'd need another centre-back as cover, as Vlaar is always getting injured.
Agree, why risk getting dragged back into danger for the sake of say £4-5M for a decent CB? It'll cost Lerner far more than that if we went down - stupid economics.
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No Carroll = no excuses.
2-1: Late Benteke pen and Nzogbia Bacuna free-kick. Who was it that scored a dozy og for the them last year to let 'em back in, Westwood?
I remember shitting myself at the end of that game. Seem to recall they had a last minute header from a corner just go over or Guzan saved (can't remember which). The win that, arguably, kick started the decent run that kept us up wasn't it?
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If Clark and Baker are rubbish again we've got no one to blame but ourselves, it was obvious that we'd need another centre-back as cover, as Vlaar is always getting injured.
Agree, why risk getting dragged back into danger for the sake of say £4-5M for a decent CB? It'll cost Lerner far more than that if we went down - stupid economics.
Didn't even need that if we took one on loan until the end of the season.
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No Carroll = no excuses.
2-1: Late Benteke pen and Nzogbia Bacuna free-kick. Who was it that scored a dozy og for the them last year to let 'em back in, Westwood?
I remember shitting myself at the end of that game. Seem to recall they had a last minute header from a corner just go over or Guzan saved (can't remember which). The win that, arguably, kick started the decent run that kept us up wasn't it?
They did yeah. It was the only time they had showed any attacking intent and I am fairly sure they didn't have a meaningful effort on goal either in the entire game, given it was a Westwood own goal.
The Fat Yam-Yam still had the cheek to come out and suggest they were unlucky.
I hope and think we will, nail these twats tomorrow.
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If Clark and Baker are rubbish again we've got no one to blame but ourselves, it was obvious that we'd need another centre-back as cover, as Vlaar is always getting injured.
Agree, why risk getting dragged back into danger for the sake of say £4-5M for a decent CB? It'll cost Lerner far more than that if we went down - stupid economics.
I'd have liked to have seen us bring in another centre half but maybe a decent one for £4-5m wasn't available? Clubs have to want to sell them.
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We could have brought a 1-legged defender in and he'd have done a better job than Baker and be less injury prone than Vlaar....
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Whether he plays or not makes little difference to be honest. Andy Carroll is shite.
Sorry but that's bollocks. He's the spearhead of the way West Ham play and for Allerdyce he's very effective. You only had to see what he did for them last week before he got sent off to know that.
Got to agree. On his day, he's a very good player.
That's the key words, and those are often quite a long way apart, so I hope Saturday's another of his not good days ;D
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When can we expect the verdict? Lambert needs to know so he has time tp decide whether to play Baker and Clark OR Clark and Baker...
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Whether he plays or not makes little difference to be honest. Andy Carroll is shite.
Sorry but that's bollocks. He's the spearhead of the way West Ham play and for Allerdyce he's very effective. You only had to see what he did for them last week before he got sent off to know that.
Got to agree. On his day, he's a very good player.
That's the key words, and those are often quite a long way apart, so I hope Saturday's another of his not good days ;D
I'm not sure how he can be a spearhead for them when he's played 4 games this season and is yet to score too. He doesn't worry me in the slightest to be honest because he's never really fit and is average to boot. He didn't play all that much last season either, and his goal record wasn't even 1 in 3.
Bakers one strength I guess is that he's a big lad and fairly decent in the air. If there's one front man I'd actually fancy him to have a good game against, it's Andy Carroll. Typically vastly overrated English player, off the back of 6 good months.
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When can we expect the verdict? Lambert needs to know so he has time tp decide whether to play Baker and Clark OR Clark and Baker...
The FA have chickened out over the threat of legal action and are holding another tribunal today to re-examine the case.
Carroll WILL PLAY!
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A decision from the FA is expected later today around 5.30pm.
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A decision from the FA is expected later today around 5.30pm.
Won't they look silly (I was trying to think of a better word) if they backtrack on the decision. It would be saying the panel were inadaequate and leave them open to every decision in the future being challenged. In fact they have already done that by holding a second tribunal.
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6-0 win. Benteke to score 4, Delph to score 2.
Or 1-0 to us. Either way is fine.
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Presumably we have spent preparing the team to counter a West Ham without him, and then with less than 24 hours to go we might be faced with a different team ?
Farcical situation if overturned.
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Please no Chris Herd.
That is all
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When can we expect the verdict? Lambert needs to know so he has time tp decide whether to play Baker and Clark OR Clark and Baker...
The FA have chickened out over the threat of legal action and are holding another tribunal today to re-examine the case.
Carroll WILL PLAY!
I'll be pretty smegged off if he's allowed to play but you just know he will.
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It will be very weak if they overturn it. Just isn't enough there to say the decision was wrong. And hand on heart if that was Benteke swinging an arm like that i'd say the same. Swing out like that and you are just asking for trouble.
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We could have brought a 1-legged defender in and he'd have done a better job than Baker and be less injury prone than Vlaar....
Wally Foot.
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Neasden_F.C..html
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It's not been overturned, ban still stands.
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What a shame, I was looking forward to watching Baker put him in his pocket.
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It's not been overturned, ban still stands.
Not confirmed yet but when SSN lead with 'Sky Sources...' they don't usually end up looking silly. Unlike West Ham and their owners.
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http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/458571/Andy-Carroll-s-ban-STANDS-after-West-Ham-lose-appeal
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You'll always get situations where sometimes players deserve to be sent-off and other times they don't. It's swings and roundabouts, some you win, some you lose - it tends to even itself out over the course of a season. Anyway, ha ha ha! Fat Sam.....Sullivan & Gold!!
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2-1 Villa
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Why am I suddenly getting this foreboding that we are going to see an unjustified Villa red card, or a soft penalty to West Ham or some such tomorrow?
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Villafirst don't forget Brady !
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(http://iforce.co.nz/i/0gi03qyg.ydq.gif)
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Someone from the Holte End - quickly draft a song that we can sing to Sam tomorrow about the lack of his elbow swinging Geordie forward.
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I'm going for a 1-1 draw.
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I'm going for a 1-1 draw.
Of all the predictions this is probably the most realistic.
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Let all do the Carroll, let's all do the carroll, la , la ,la!
Followed by synchronised arm flailing ?
No?............I will fetch me coat
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Someone from the Holte End - quickly draft a song that we can sing to Sam tomorrow about the lack of his elbow swinging Geordie forward.
Where's your Donkey gone?
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No Andy Carroll.... ;D
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Chico Chico chico
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Someone from the Holte End - quickly draft a song that we can sing to Sam tomorrow about the lack of his elbow swinging Geordie forward.
"Sam, Sam, it's still a three match ban!"
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It's Chico time!!
Where's me coat?
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I just hope on 90 minutes we're singing, "You're going down with the Baggies".
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Heart says 2-1 Villa, head says 1-1
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After last weekend's results this is a bit of a must-win: 2-1 to us with a nervy last 10 minutes.
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No Carroll, you are but a fool.
Big Sam nobody likes you, your football is so cruel.
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I fought the Law,
but Villa won?
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Is Carroll playing?
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No.
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It does seem to have 1-1 written all over this
I'm not expecting a good game, to say the least
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No.
Not enough time before 3pm tomorrow to go to the High Court then? Damn those slow turning wheels of justice.
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The threat of the High Court was just a ruse to get the FA to agree to an urgent Arbitration hearing and was dropped as soon as it had achieved that aim.
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I forgot about Downing
Give him some sh*t tomorrow for me .
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Hamster-bollocks.
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Is Carroll playing?
No, but he should be fit for the Grand National.
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By agreeing to go to arbitration today FA have now introduced an additional "appeal" step in the process. I assume in future every team that loses an appeal against red card can take this route.
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Checklist for tomorrow.
Kagoul check
Umbrella check
Waterproof trousers check
Wellies check
Towel (to wipe seat) check
Snorkel and flippers check
Decent novel check
Walkman check
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Aston Villa 3-1 West Ham
Richardson M Allen
Atkinson 2
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3-0
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Someone from the Holte End - quickly draft a song that we can sing to Sam tomorrow about the lack of his elbow swinging Geordie forward.
You swing your right arm out
To give Flores a clout
You miss, red card, what's it all about?
You do the Andy Carroll and we sing and shout
That's what it's all about
*Now do the actions"
Ooh the Andy Carroll
Ooh the Andy Carroll
Ooh the Andy Carroll
West Ham, Big Sam. wank wank wank
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Checklist for tomorrow.
Kagoul check
Umbrella check
Waterproof trousers check
Wellies check
Towel (to wipe seat) check
Snorkel and flippers check
Decent novel check
Walkman check
Wot no cryptic crossword?
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Wonderful, Mr Cooper.
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Going to the High Court to appeal Carroll's ban? What a pair of tits. We'll smash 'em.
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Someone from the Holte End - quickly draft a song that we can sing to Sam tomorrow about the lack of his elbow swinging Geordie forward.
You swing your right arm out
To give Flores a clout
You miss, red card, what's it all about?
You do the Andy Carroll and we sing and shout
That's what it's all about
*Now do the actions"
Ooh the Andy Carroll
Ooh the Andy Carroll
Ooh the Andy Carroll
West Ham, Big Sam. wank wank wank
Brilliant
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Extremely windy day however should not effect our playing style as we keep it on the grass :-[
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Today's game should be played with one of those cheap lightweight plastic footballs that I used to buy at seaside bucket & spade shops or at village fetes.
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Today's game should be played with one of those cheap lightweight plastic footballs that I used to buy at seaside bucket & spade shops or at village fetes.
Also available for 99p at all newsagents and garages.
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Extremely windy day however should not effect our playing style as we keep it on the grass :-[
The wind should only affect West Ham, as they'll be the ones in possession of the ball all afternoon.
We'll still win, mind.
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Villa win with a Bacuna 75yrd free kick
Extremely windy day however should not effect our playing style as we keep it on the grass :-[
A Villa win with a 75 yard free kick from Bacuna.
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Wet Spam have eleven clean sheets in Prem this season,highest along with Arsenal .We struggle to break teams down who park the bus.Has got 0-0 written all over it
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I wonder what odds on Guzan scoring with one of his 'passes' to Benteke.
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I thought the same thing, PWS.
I've been feeling good about this game all week. I really think we'll give them a hiding. West Ham will come for the point but we'll have too much firepower for them. They may end up being Benteked. It really could be a high scoring game and with just Carlton Cole playing up front by himself, we should be able to focus on our own game.
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Anyone know if Aston Lane is open ,only i think it was closed off the other day due to Tesco's (?) roof being partly blown off.
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If ever there was a day for an early villa goal this is it
West ham look to have regained their defensive solidity. Last year it was a stalemate with west ham having the better chances, until n'zogbia won the game for us. We just don't have that sort of mercurial talent in the squad today and could really do with it. It comes to something when the closest we've got to a creative genius is Marc albrighton
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Weather update. I'm on the bus to the ground. Windy but currently bright and pleasant. Some potentially dodgy clouds lurking though.
This is PWS for H&V weather.
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Weather update. I'm on the bus to the ground. Windy but currently bright and pleasant. Some potentially dodgy clouds lurking though.
This is PWS for H&V weather.
Weather update. I'm on the bus to the ground. Windy but currently bright and pleasant. Some potentially dodgy clouds lurking though.
This is PWS for H&V weather.
Being a bit of a baldy should I go for wooly hat or full on Cossack hat, decisions decisions.
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If ever there was a day for an early villa goal this is it
West ham look to have regained their defensive solidity. Last year it was a stalemate with west ham having the better chances, until n'zogbia won the game for us. We just don't have that sort of mercurial talent in the squad today and could really do with it. It comes to something when the closest we've got to a creative genius is Marc albrighton
Yes, that player we almost signed (again) might have come in handy today. Still, we should have enough to see these twats off.
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The all new H&V weather channel.
Sponsored by Dave.
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Someone from the Holte End - quickly draft a song that we can sing to Sam tomorrow about the lack of his elbow swinging Geordie forward.
You swing your right arm out
To give Flores a clout
You miss, red card, what's it all about?
You do the Andy Carroll and we sing and shout
That's what it's all about
*Now do the actions"
Ooh the Andy Carroll
Ooh the Andy Carroll
Ooh the Andy Carroll
West Ham, Big Sam. wank wank wank
Brilliant
Genius - cant stop singing this !!!!
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No Carroll must give a serious advantage! Aah-stone Vee-laah!!!
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Going to the High Court to appeal Carroll's ban? What a pair of tits. We'll smash 'em.
They're sagging a bit these days. Ooh, you meant porno dwarf and his hairy friend.