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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on December 25, 2013, 07:18:42 PM
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Utter garbage - too many players not good enough at this level and Guzan saved us from heavier defeat .
We are not a midtable side - we are a side staring at a relegation fight and on the slide .
Not sure that lambert really knows how to sort this - time to get him out!
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Utter garbage - too many players not good enough at this level and Guzan saved us from defeat .
Not sure that lambert really knows how to sort this - time to get him out!
Maybe you should wait until the final whistle next time rather then trying to be first on here.
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Resign now!
Taxi for lambert and it can't come quick enough.
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Not sure he has.
This is a low.
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Should have been more.
4 straight defeats.
After surviving last Christmas, he does not deserve to survive this realistically.
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Fuck off football.
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I'm on the verge of being sick to death with this. Another shit, shit display. We are sinking like a stone here.
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Time to go
CLUELESS
I have had enough this dross
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Miserable.
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Lambert out. Resign. Totally clueless and ou his depth. Fuck off
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Boooooo!
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Shits hit the fan.
No one can say we have played well all season...no one.
His signings aren't good enough, his tactics, subs, style....all not good enough.
Today I'm in the "out" camp....nothing gay about that.
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somebody, somewhere in the football universe simply must be better than Lambert
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sack him now. he is wank and so is his team
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Simply not good enough. Lerner cant be blind to this, surely?
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Unbelievably mediocre in the final 1/3rd.Unless RL releases some funds we are in trouble.
Great goal, and Bannan best player on pitch. Albrighton, Gabby, Weimann offered absolutely nothing.
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Id have bloody Glen Hoddle than this
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That's enough for me now. How terribly sad and yet utterly terribly boring. We need a change from top to bottom. Lambert needs to go and Lerner needs to look for buyers. This club is tumid with lethargy and mediocrity.
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That is not my football club. That is not the team I support. We are rudderless from top to bottom and sleepwalking to relegation unless something drastic is done.
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If he is to go, and although liking him supporting him gets more difficult every week, then he has to before the window opens to get a new man in quick and given the license to get 3-4 older heads in.
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Hasn't a clue what he is doing, I hope he fucks off as soon as possible
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Can we trade Lambert to Cardiff for Malky?
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Get him out and replace him so the new guy can use January wisely.
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Unbelievably mediocre in the final 1/3rd.Unless RL releases some funds we are in trouble.
Great goal, and Bannan best player on pitch. Albrighton, Gabby, Weimann offered absolutely nothing.
you trust him with money ? I dont
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We have no identity...Lambert has no identity.
Go Paul, just Go....
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Even I think he should go. Injuries etc are not an excuse.
I'm surprised the board wouldn't like to sack him now. That way they could moan on 31st Jan that their new bloke had no time to pick transfer targets.
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Id have bloody Glen Hoddle than this
Think Hoddle would be a decent shout.
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That is dismal and to be honest enough is enough
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what a way to fook up Christmas
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That's enough for me now. How terribly sad and yet utterly terribly boring. We need a change from top to bottom. Lambert needs to go and Lerner needs to look for buyers. This club is tumid with lethargy and mediocrity.
Agree totally Maz. I don't recognise the club at all and indeed haven't for an awful long time now
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We need a better manager and more money. Very simple and very possible.
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I've already predicted a 3-1 win but I'm feeling even more confident now and I'll go for a 5-1 Villa win. I can't believe the level of negativity on here, we're talking about Palace, the worst team in the league. If we can't beat them today we may as well close up. We may be a crap footballing side but today we'll shine.
Optimism from the pre match thread. If Palace are the worst, doesn't say much for Villa.
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Id have bloody Glen Hoddle than this
Time to change your sig.
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We haven't won a Boxing Day match since 2005. 0-0 or 0-1 them
Obvious exactly how it was going to go. Pathetic performance.
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I really think he wants it to be better.
I really think he has signed some players who will turn out to have good Villa careers.
I really think he sees that the style of play isn't good enough.
However, he clearly does not know what to do. He signs players who can play good passing football, but has no idea how to coach them to do it. So sometimes they pass the ball well kind of by accident, but mostly they're clueless and aimless in possession. For that reason alone, he cannot continue. If he won't improve, then he must go.
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He's an embarrassment to this once proud football club.
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Id have bloody Glen Hoddle than this
Think Hoddle would be a decent shout.
We'd end up with Souness. Sir Purplenose would write a letter to Lerner and Faulkner saying what a great job he did for Liverpool
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Simply not good enough. Lerner cant be blind to this, surely?
If he doesn't go then it proves that Lerner does not give a shit , depressing ain't the word
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Id have bloody Glen Hoddle than this
Think Hoddle would be a decent shout.
we might see our team back . This is upset me more than any other result and theres been some bad ones under Lambert
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The writings on the wall.
if not this season, next!
Lerner has to back lambert, and if he fails sack him, and get someone else in.
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Thats it then Lerner, he`s had enough time, if someone can point out to me where we are improving, i`ll listen. Tipping point meet Aston Villa, Aston Villa meet tipping point, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!..............
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That was absolutely pathetic. Shameful stuff, Guzan saved us from a hiding and if Bannan had weighted a couple of passes better it'd have been worse. I take my hat off to Bannan, he'd walk into our team at the moment but then so would my 11 month old son Ernie (and he can't walk yet).
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I'm struggling to understand how we could have gone so far backwards from the end of last season, but this is s bad as anything I can remember since 86-87. I don't think many managers would retain support after this season's home performances alone, and we're as bad away recently. All the other strugglers look like they have some fight and a clue or two. We have neither at the moment. It's going to be a long hard winter unless Lerner makes a change.
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Villa have lived in the stone ages for years. We need someone who knows about the game of now and not yesteryear....Hoddle shouts that!.
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Woeful. Completely depressing. Lambert is shit. KEA....yawn yawn yawn. Gabby, abysmal, Weimann appalling.
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I remember I wanted him over Martinez , solksjaer and Rodgers . oh dear
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Even I think he should go. Injuries etc are not an excuse.
I'm surprised the board wouldn't like to sack him now. That way they could moan on 31st Jan that their new bloke had no time to pick transfer targets.
We have two players out who might make a difference and even that's debatable - par for the course for the Premier League and, in fact, I suspect we have rather fewer injuries than a lot of clubs
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Can I change giving him till the end of January,and instead give him till the end of December?
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I remember I wanted him over Martinez , solksjaer and Roders . oh dear
Can we agree I was right then, JP? ;)
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Utter utter shit. Lambert out. And I nearly got arrested twice, half wish I had I might have got a banning order and not have to watch this shit any more. And now I'm freezing waiting for the 7.
Merry fucking Christmas.
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That has to be the turning point for the ones on the fence with Lambert. Spent 40 mil and mostly mediocre at best.
Palace at home ffs. Lerner out aswell for me
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If he is to go, and although liking him supporting him gets more difficult every week, then he has to before the window opens to get a new man in quick and given the license to get 3-4 older heads in.
Agreed, make the change now and give the new man a trasfer window to try and improve us - I would be tempted to have another try for OGS as he may now be looking for a new challenge .
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maybe SAF can write Randy his own letter of recommendation this time. we could do a lot worse
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SOTC & I gave our tickets away for today's match. Now we're wondering if we really want to go on Saturday.
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Something is not right at the club to go from the attacking football of the end of this season to the shambles of this. Anybody got any ideas?
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Sorry, but its the out camp for me too.
No direction whatsoever.
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Much as I have supported Lambert, 4 on the bounce, one goal, awful performances all season....something has to change before this slide of the last few years does some permanent damage to this club....
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I know we had a bad, bad team before Lambert joined but has he possibly made it worse!?
Judging by this season...I think he has.
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Id have bloody Glen Hoddle than this
Think Hoddle would be a decent shout.
At least the football would improve greatly - OGS would be my top target though , if not then Hoddle would be ok.
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Roll on Saturday, another "Winnable" game.
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I think even those of us who have stuck with him have turned tonight. Losing at home to Palace should be the last straw.
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We''ll "part company" with Lambert and have the same problem soon enough. A team assembled on the cheap - too many not good enough or in shocking form. Would an AVB or a Steve Clarke get any better out of this lot? Lerner is gambling on there being three teams worse than us again. I had a ticket for today but in the end I couldn't be bothered with a 200 mile round trip. That's three I've missed for various reasons now and I've no regrets. And I suspect there will be more like me.
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OGS would take it now like a shot.
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I think even those of us who have stuck with him have turned tonight. Losing at home to Palace should be the last straw.
And looking totally planless at all times. This wasn't a fluke.
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I really think he wants it to be better.
I really think he has signed some players who will turn out to have good Villa careers.
I really think he sees that the style of play isn't good enough.
However, he clearly does not know what to do. He signs players who can play good passing football, but has no idea how to coach them to do it. So sometimes they pass the ball well kind of by accident, but mostly they're clueless and aimless in possession. For that reason alone, he cannot continue. If he won't improve, then he must go.
I'm never quite sure why with Lambert people always talk about him "wanting things to be better".
As though there are managers out there who "want" to be shit and to lose football matches...
Sorry, that's not a dig at you, I just think Lambert gets so much good will it's untrue at times.
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I can't wait for his interview....
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Utter utter shit. Lambert out. And I nearly got arrested twice, half wish I had I might have got a banning order and not have to watch this shit any more. And now I'm freezing waiting for the 7.
Merry fucking Christmas.
Glad that you had a fun afternoon Mr Shin
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I think even those of us who have stuck with him have turned tonight. Losing at home to Palace should be the last straw.
Yep...final straw for me..awful performances and picking up points is one thing...this is another. Time for change, sad to say...
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That late winner by Palace has only cost us one point and might be well worth the misery if it acts as a wake up call for Lerner to release the funds (in a Darren-Bent-style-panic) for Lambert to spend on a decent midfielder or two.
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I can't wait for his interview....
You just know he will say how pleased he was! Destest the guy, please please resign
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I've already predicted a 3-1 win but I'm feeling even more confident now and I'll go for a 5-1 Villa win. I can't believe the level of negativity on here, we're talking about Palace, the worst team in the league. If we can't beat them today we may as well close up. We may be a crap footballing side but today we'll shine.
Optimism from the pre match thread. If Palace are the worst, doesn't say much for Villa.
Ha! The optimism was based on the concept that we can't be shit forever. I forgot to factor in Lambert's tactics. He really went for the point today, so credit to Palace, they deserved all 3 despite being shite. Hopefully we'll bring somebody (anybody) in before the Swansea game, even if it's just in a caretaker role.
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Under normal circumstances, Lambert would already have gone by now. But nothing is normal about Randy Lerner. If he does pull the trigger, imagine how the recruitment process will go. then there's the crazy wages policy. None of it bears thinking about.
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For me the writing was on the wall weeks ago and I got patronised to death by several posters for suggesting we had robbed the three points from Southampton and wouldn't keep getting away with it. I was further patronised after the FUlham game.
We are one point better off than last year and getting worse.
That was a dreadful performance. I don't even know if we can sack the manager though. And get who? We put all our eggs in one basket with this strategy, a new manager will want a few quick fixes to keep us up...and then what?
I think so much damage has been done since 2010 that we will be relegated at some stage. If we change strategy now that will take a lot of time to get right. Other clubs around us are building. We are just a sinking ship.
A complete shambles from top to bloody bottom is what we are. Could have been 2-0 or 3-0 easily.
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That late winner by Palace has only cost us one point and might be well worth the misery if it acts as a wake up call for Lerner to release the funds (in a Darren-Bent-style-panic) for Lambert to spend on a decent midfielder or two.
Do we want him spending the money though...not sure I trust him with it and neither should Randy...who needs a kick up the arse himself..
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I can't wait for his interview....
You just know he will say how pleased he was! Destest the guy, please please resign
That's why I can't wait because if he spurts out the same old tosh then he can just clear his locker straight after the interview
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I know we had a bad, bad team before Lambert joined but has he possibly made it worse!?
Judging by this season...I think he has.
We had an underperforming team when he arrived which he then dismantled immediately.
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I can't wait for his interview....
You just know he will say how pleased he was! Destest the guy, please please resign
That's why I can't wait because if he spurts out the same old tosh then he can just clear his locker straight after the interview
Lerner needs to grow a pair and dismiss him straight away. So pissed off with this garbage
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I really think he wants it to be better.
I really think he has signed some players who will turn out to have good Villa careers.
I really think he sees that the style of play isn't good enough.
However, he clearly does not know what to do. He signs players who can play good passing football, but has no idea how to coach them to do it. So sometimes they pass the ball well kind of by accident, but mostly they're clueless and aimless in possession. For that reason alone, he cannot continue. If he won't improve, then he must go.
Agree 100%, Monty. It's no so much the players as the pathetic, clueless, idiotic, negative tactics of Lambert that is holding back the team.
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Bored, disappointed. gutted with the result, appalled by the performance.
You would have to be completely blind to not see by now that the team is not being utalised in a positive manner.
Yes, the squad is shit. Lambert has spent our money poorly on the whole but the most worrying thing is the way the team approach a game, even lower league sides can come out with a game plan, a set way of playing, a way the manager thinks the side is most likely of scoring a goal. Playing to your strengths. We don't, there is nothing when we step on the pitch.
I've been a Lambert out advocate since last January. He has done nothing in the 18 months he's been here to make me want otherwise, apart from going on a Wigan style relegation avoiding run, big deal.
I want to see the team pass the ball, I want to see the players move, I want to see corner, free kick, throwin and passing moves you can see we've worked on in the training ground.
We don't see anything of the sort. I lhave no idea what must go on in training, on a day to day basis for us to freeze like statues and not be able to pass the ball more than 5 yards forward.
Lambert must go, it's not a knee jerk reaction it's 18 months of on the whole terrible football, lack of goals, chuckle brother defending and transfers that defy logic at times.
Buy lower league players, get lower league football. We are on the path to the Championship.
Lambert out.
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That late winner by Palace has only cost us one point and might be well worth the misery if it acts as a wake up call for Lerner to release the funds (in a Darren-Bent-style-panic) for Lambert to spend on a decent midfielder or two.
Do we want him spending the money though...not sure I trust him with it and neither should Randy...who needs a kick up the arse himself..
No he's said often enough experience guarantees nothing - I want someone who wants to bring older heads in to help the team not pack it with players inexperienced in this league.
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I can't wait for his interview....
We go again....
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This is quite simply the worst Villa team I've ever seen, and it's gonna end in relegation if Lerner's penny pinching continues.
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I can't wait for his interview....
We go again....
He go again please
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37k at game and we've been called fickle! thats amazing support for a crap team playing against a bottom 3 club .
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Woeful, Poor, Shit whatever you want to say that is us at the moment.
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For me the writing was on the wall weeks ago and I got patronised to death by several posters for suggesting we had robbed the three points from Southampton and wouldn't keep getting away with it. I was further patronised after the FUlham game.
We are one point better off than last year and getting worse.
That was a dreadful performance. I don't even know if we can sack the manager though. And get who? We put all our eggs in one basket with this strategy, a new manager will want a few quick fixes to keep us up...and then what?
I think so much damage has been done since 2010 that we will be relegated at some stage. If we change strategy now that will take a lot of time to get right. Other clubs around us are building. We are just a sinking ship.
A complete shambles from top to bloody bottom is what we are. Could have been 2-0 or 3-0 easily.
you were indeed Irish. I couldn't believe the guy who was patronising us after the Stoke debacle and some on here even thought it was the post of the month or the year. Personally, I'd never read such utter crap given the abysmal, embarrassing, pathetic state of things at the club
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I have two questions for you. 1, would you actually trust Lambert to spend another penny even if Lerner does support him in the transfer window?
2, honestly, is today's result really a shock? I predicted a goalless draw, many expected Pulis to come and bore us to death. This is the very worst Aston Villa team that I have seen since, well, since I started watching them in 1976.
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I have to say i'm still in the undecided camp with PL.That game was heading to a 0-0, until an unbelievable goal, and but for a poor piece of play from Weimann, we probably would have won the game.
However, the quality of the football is incredibly poor, indeed the quality of the player is incredibly poor, Gabby, Weimann, Albrighton offered nothing today, the two FBs are hiding, and KEA and Delph , have'nt really got a killer pass on them, hence we resort to a hoof and hope.If Hoddle was available and interested, then personally i would be quite happy with that, but i would'nt be too disappointed if PL goes, i think 18 months into his tenure, we should be a lot better than this.
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Id have bloody Glen Hoddle than this
Time to change your sig.
youre right Pal Peter was on drugs
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This is quite simply the worst Villa team I've ever seen, and it's gonna end in relegation if Lerner's penny pinching continues.
Yes, several of us have been saying that for weeks to a chorus of much disagreement in some parts. Worst team for almost 30 years in my view
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Lets find the positives then. errrr.....
65% possession, their keeper made some nice saves and we lost at the last gasp to a very nice strike?
Thats all I got :)
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Agreed with IrishVillain over how Lambert's appointment meant a clear change of strategy of stripping bare and starting again. And if Randy told him it would get tough before it got better maybe we're not as "off-course" as us lot expect.
I don't know what the answer is. I just feel sorry for the season ticket holders who have been mugged - completely robbed blind over the past few years. Our home record and performances this decade have been nothing short of shameful.
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Lambert's not capable of keeping us up. We couldn't overturn the Bradford semi final 2nd leg back at the start of the year and Arsenal away aside, we've been flattering to deceive. In fact I was at Arsenal and that could have gone either way. In short, time's up Paul, fuck off.
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The writings on the wall.
if not this season, next!
Lerner has to back lambert, and if he fails sack him, and get someone else in.
palace aint got no money
That team is 10% cost of Villas , they could have won 4-0 even Pulis is better than Lambert and I hate his football , even thou for the players he has there he has done good for them.
I think he is out of depth .
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Three points off the bottom 3 and sliding down at an alarming rate - worrying times .
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I think in the main , we Villa are all singing from the same hymn sheet, Lambert has lost it, Lerners a wanker, and we fans suffer
Lerner go and take lambert with you to count your diminishing millions, and we'll pick ourselves up, cuz I'd rather have that , than this not so slow death.
btw Yes Hoddle sounds good but like benetez he wouldn't come cuz he would want NEED a warchest.
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I was very disappointed that we didn't get Solskjaer at the time, and of the prospective candidates I thought Lambert the least impressive, with a mixed record of physical football and lots of long balls to big men. My views on him have changed significantly and there's a lot about him which impresses me, but the disconnect between the football he wants to play and the football he knows how to play is enormous.
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Well i guess there's no rule saying football has to be entertaining.
2 sides set up not to lose, both with a distinct lack of quality on show.
We've had a lot possession today, but that's mostly been our defense passing it around in our own half before passing it to El Ahmadi, who then passed it back to them. We pretty much evacuated midfield and were trying to play our attacking stuff with little triangles down the channels but it just doesn't work.
We looked a little better when Gabby and Albi ran at them a bit, but that was done far too little and in general our attack just looked blunt with none of the fluid cohesion we saw at times last year. Player performances were an all too familiar pattern
Guzan - couple of game saving saves
Baker = wreckless
Clark = fairly assured
Luna - a liability and Lowton not much better
El Ahmedi - a crab who only pases sideways and backwards,
Delph - had some moments of class but not enough
Albi - looked like one of the only people capable of creating something but fluffed his lines at crucial moments,
Gabby - looked like he could open them at times with his sheer pace, unfortunately he very rarely threatened and had an end product
Weimann - why man? I'm not sure what he's actually offering the team at the moment from either a midfield or attacking perspective
Kozak - tried, could have done better on a few occasions but was playing off scraps
Bowery - not a game winner unfortunately and bringing him on to try and win a game when he's never scored, kind of says it all really about where we are quality wise.
We just about eked out a 0-0 draw against a very poor Crystal Palace side that have lost 7 out of 8 of their away games this season. If they'd of had a little more quality they would have punished us several times in that game, they didn't and it's why they are where they are. I fear however that without a couple of good signings in January, our best players coming back and our finding some good form, we may well join them in that area of the table. We just look very poor.
Our home form really does have to improve, how many times have we failed to score now? Our home form most certainly is relegation form and that's amazingly worry. I think the next month will tell us a lot about whether Lambert is fit to manage our team, at the moment i'm really starting to doubt it, and wondering whether like a lot of the players he's signed, he's being found out and it's just been a step too far in terms of the quality required.
Edit - feck we lost! I started to write that just before the end and so missed the goal. Lambert out - he's to to go now!
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Where are the Lerner apologists? According to them we're all moaners and can't see the bigger picture......
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Thought we'd lose and would be shit in the process, and so it turned out.
Can't see us winning again.
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My patience with lambert is now exhausted. But if the transfer policy he has followed is truly dictated by Lerner then it won't matter who manages us. Team seems to have zero confidence and not much ability either, we are in the mire yet again but this time I don't think sticking with the manager is the answer.
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I remember I wanted him over Martinez , solksjaer and Roders . oh dear
Can we agree I was right then, JP? ;)
I won £100 onn my bet thou :) but yes youre right
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maybe SAF can write Randy his own letter of recommendation this time. we could do a lot worse
can we have alex for 6 mths . not the blue one but the red nosed one
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After watching that.. I don't need posters claiming to be clever because they 'told us so' your as irratating as Lamberts after match interviews.
I want to hear what Ian Culverhouse does.
I want to know what Gary 'feckin' Karsa does.. Is he actually Lamberts brother in law?
I'm in The Social intending to get ratted then sneaking back in and shitting on Randys seat.
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and someone said Palace never won at VP for 22 years
we are really breaking these records this season
Sheff Utd will do us
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I've already predicted a 3-1 win but I'm feeling even more confident now and I'll go for a 5-1 Villa win. I can't believe the level of negativity on here, we're talking about Palace, the worst team in the league. If we can't beat them today we may as well close up. We may be a crap footballing side but today we'll shine.
Optimism from the pre match thread. If Palace are the worst, doesn't say much for Villa.
Ha! The optimism was based on the concept that we can't be shit forever. I forgot to factor in Lambert's tactics. He really went for the point today, so credit to Palace, they deserved all 3 despite being shite. Hopefully we'll bring somebody (anybody) in before the Swansea game, even if it's just in a caretaker role.
Wasn't meant to be dig Rudy, just that under Lambert even the eternal optimist will come to an end point and today might be it.
Why Lerner and his board give long contracts in a results driven business, when payment should be linked to the success of the team, especially when the team members are brought in by the manager.
It's surely time for Lerner to be strong and send Lambert on his way, but after sounding out replacements first I trust.
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Where are the Lerner apologists? According to them we're all moaners and can't see the bigger picture......
Grow up.
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Utter garbage - too many players not good enough at this level and Guzan saved us from defeat .
Not sure that lambert really knows how to sort this - time to get him out!
Maybe you should wait until the final whistle next time rather then trying to be first on here.
Wrong thread wtf.
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I know it's a cliche but some cliches are true, but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. It's Lerner's pitiful budget that is dragging us down. This is why the likes of Martinez and OGS turned us down. They took one look at their budget and said "no thanks". Until this changes we'll always be a perennial relegation battler or even a Championship club.
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We''ll "part company" with Lambert and have the same problem soon enough. A team assembled on the cheap - too many not good enough or in shocking form. Would an AVB or a Steve Clarke get any better out of this lot? Lerner is gambling on there being three teams worse than us again. I had a ticket for today but in the end I couldn't be bothered with a 200 mile round trip. That's three I've missed for various reasons now and I've no regrets. And I suspect there will be more like me.
Pullis would for eg
there is teams who have had less money playing much better football . Hes tactics are awful
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Is that 6 out of 9 home games where we haven't scored? That stat alone is enough ammunition to get rid.
We have a one man midfield and Lambert has had more than enough time to do better than that.
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The club needs a complete change of direction.
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Simply not good enough. Lerner cant be blind to this, surely?
I think you'll find that he is. Witness our slow but sure slide to the bottom three without any sign of censure.
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Lets find the positives then. errrr.....
65% possession, their keeper made some nice saves and we lost at the last gasp to a very nice strike?
Thats all I got :)
Most of it in their own half when the opposition is happy for us to keep it there
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A performance that sums up Aston Villa 2013 and us going forward, no style, no class and no idea, if Hell cant get into that team the cones must be better than him in training, god dam awful Villa, Lambert turn the light off on your way out, because if you are here till May, we will have the real derby next year.
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I really think he wants it to be better.
I really think he has signed some players who will turn out to have good Villa careers.
I really think he sees that the style of play isn't good enough.
However, he clearly does not know what to do. He signs players who can play good passing football, but has no idea how to coach them to do it. So sometimes they pass the ball well kind of by accident, but mostly they're clueless and aimless in possession. For that reason alone, he cannot continue. If he won't improve, then he must go.
I'm never quite sure why with Lambert people always talk about him "wanting things to be better".
As though there are managers out there who "want" to be shit and to lose football matches...
Sorry, that's not a dig at you, I just think Lambert gets so much good will it's untrue at times.
I tried to make this point the other day, but was incredibly crap at doing it. This is exactly what I think.
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We pick ourselves up and go again.
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I know it's a cliche but some cliches are true, but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. It's Lerner's pitiful budget that is dragging us down. This is why the likes of Martinez and OGS turned us down. They took one look at their budget and said "no thanks". Until this changes we'll always be a perennial relegation battler or even a Championship club.
Lambert doesn't spend all of his budget, that's part of the problem.
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I've said before this side is reminiscent of the 86-87 squad, and I fear it will all end up the same way, in relegation with the better kids going on to have good careers at other clubs.
I'm sorry, Paul looks out of his depth. He brought in his backroom staff this summer and it's made little or no difference.
He stubbornly refuses to address his own failings with his blinkered transfer policy. We all said we needed experienced cover in defence for when Vlaar had his annual lay off.
We all said we needed creativity in midfield, a decent wide man and someone who could put his foot in and bully a game. Just about the only thing we didn't need was a 6'4 striker, because we'd just had our existing one sign a new deal.
Clarke and AVB amongst others have lost their jobs yet shown far more competence in just about every aspect. I wonder whether Randy shows a little too much loyalty sometimes, and so doubt Lambert will be sacked.
Unless we spend big, and spend well in Jan, we really are in the shit.
Problem is, even if Lerner splashes the cash, would you trust Lambert to spend it wisely?
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I know it's a cliche but some cliches are true, but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. It's Lerner's pitiful budget that is dragging us down. This is why the likes of Martinez and OGS turned us down. They took one look at their budget and said "no thanks". Until this changes we'll always be a perennial relegation battler or even a Championship club.
I don't think OGS turned us down because of budget , it was made difficult for him to leave molde at the time and they are hardly big spending themselves .
I think he is more gettable now .
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Lets find the positives then. errrr.....
65% possession, their keeper made some nice saves and we lost at the last gasp to a very nice strike?
Thats all I got :)
and Guzan was probably our MOM
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I was in the "give him some time to see it through" camp until today..... But that's enough for me. No leadership at pitch level, dugout level or boardroom level. No passion, no real hope.
It's just bloody boring !!! And as for improving when powderpuff Ron comes back .. I'm not convinced and Benteke seems to be killing time until the summer
I want to be excited by the Villa. By the signings, the football and the atmosphere !!!
Please make it happen
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I know it's a cliche but some cliches are true, but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. It's Lerner's pitiful budget that is dragging us down. This is why the likes of Martinez and OGS turned us down. They took one look at their budget and said "no thanks". Until this changes we'll always be a perennial relegation battler or even a Championship club.
This is true.
Championship wages = championship players.
Championship players = Championship eventually.
It isn't a bold experiment, this is ridiculously optimistic cheapness. They can tell themselves it is about young and hungry all they like but this is a truly pathetic squad.
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I really think he wants it to be better.
I really think he has signed some players who will turn out to have good Villa careers.
I really think he sees that the style of play isn't good enough.
However, he clearly does not know what to do. He signs players who can play good passing football, but has no idea how to coach them to do it. So sometimes they pass the ball well kind of by accident, but mostly they're clueless and aimless in possession. For that reason alone, he cannot continue. If he won't improve, then he must go.
I'm never quite sure why with Lambert people always talk about him "wanting things to be better".
As though there are managers out there who "want" to be shit and to lose football matches...
Sorry, that's not a dig at you, I just think Lambert gets so much good will it's untrue at times.
I understand that, I merely meant to explain why Lambert got so much goodwill. McLeish thought everything was fine, that's just how he played, but Lambert clearly wanted things to be better so people like me gave him some goodwill in exchange for his own good intentions (and before anyone says it's just because of the flaws of his predecessor, save your breath - of course it was).
I think he's signed players who are meant to play good football, and at times, by some accident of their qualities, they do. The problem is that Lambert, unlike Martinez or Rodgers or OGS (as we saw on that Youtube programme), surely doesn't understand how to make them play this way consistently and as a gameplan and definitely doesn't get them to train in the obsessively practising way that those managers do with their players. Lambert wanted it to succeed and I wanted him to succeed, but I just don't think he understands training or modern footballing strategies, and if he continues not to then he must go.
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I know it's a cliche but some cliches are true, but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. It's Lerner's pitiful budget that is dragging us down. This is why the likes of Martinez and OGS turned us down. They took one look at their budget and said "no thanks". Until this changes we'll always be a perennial relegation battler or even a Championship club.
doubt it was the budget with OGS . I think they offered more wages in the end .
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so how many home wins in 2013 ?
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I know it's a cliche but some cliches are true, but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. It's Lerner's pitiful budget that is dragging us down. This is why the likes of Martinez and OGS turned us down. They took one look at their budget and said "no thanks". Until this changes we'll always be a perennial relegation battler or even a Championship club.
This is true.
Championship wages = championship players.
Championship players = Championship eventually.
It isn't a bold experiment, this is ridiculously optimistic cheapness. They can tell themselves it is about young and hungry all they like but this is a truly pathetic squad.
I think Lerner is gambling with the immediate future of the club with the strategy he is allowing Lambert to take. Pay peanuts, get monkeys is fair enough a saying, wanting to follow the Dortmund pathway is also not likely to work in the Premiership because the money is so well spread out at the lower bits of the table. I fully expect both Fulham and Palace to spend some money in the TW.
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he looked clueless when he hurried off at the end too
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so how many home wins in 2013 ?
5 in the league in 2013....FIVE!!!!
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so how many home wins in 2013 ?
Truly pathetic again today... as was Lambert hiding in the dugout once they scored. He needs to stand up and take some responsibility for the money he has wasted on a bunch of poor players....
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Some thoughts:
Spooky how history repeats: last year we followed a great away win (at Liverpool then, at Saints now) with a run of awful defeats whilst missing Ron Vlaar.
Weimann should not play out wide (on either wing) in a 4-4-2.
Delph for England? Not on today's performance. I can remember three times he put us in jeopard losing possession and he if he couldn't tackle Gayle or show him wide at the end, then he should have fouled him.
How bad must Gardner and Helenius be in training if they can't get even a few minutes in this side?
Of the recent four defeats, three have been against Fulham, stoke and Palace - I'd have hoped for something like four points, at least, from those games. That's a big worry.
Why is it that we play teams after they replace their manager, rather than before, this season? Why couldn't we have played Fulham with Jol, Palace with Holloway and Sunderland with Di Canio?
I'd still stick with Lambert, seeing as he has been here and rescued us before. But he must buy a midfielder of the standard of a Gary Parker or a Mark Draper.
Does anyone remember how many points we had after Boxing Day last season?
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Failing to score in 6 out of. 9 home games is utterly ridiculous. He should be sacked on that alone. This is the man who allegedly was about playing football the right way. Truley feel enough is enough for a lot of people tonight. Lambert should walk away.
Another defeat against Swansea and that's 5 loses on the bounce all against sides below or around us in the table. Can he survive that?
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Guzan Least shit player we've got
Lowton Shit
Clark Very shit
Baker Extremely shit
Luna Amazingly shit
Albrighton Averagely shit
El Ahmadi Monumentally shit
Weimann Outstandingly shit
Delph Pretty shit
Agbonlahor Medium shit
Kozak Massively shit
Bacuna Fairly shit
Bowery Championshit
Tonev Mildly shit
Lambert He picked us up and we were shit again
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He picks his P45 up and we go again.
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Lerner and Lambert both out for me. Between them they have managed to 'shape' the worst Villa side I can remember. The squad is devoid of any quality and can't even do the basics. As others have said you can't expect to compete with a bunch of kids and lower league players. We deserve to know the plan but I fear there isn't one.
Even if the wallet is opened in January I wouldn't trust Lambert with it.
Totally disillusioned of Walmley.
Apparently over the last 3 years we have the worst home record in any major European league.
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That was shocking. Worst all-round display and performance I can remember for many years. Poor ball control, awful ball retention and overall lack of creativity.
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Gabby is useless he has one good game then just runs around fast for the next 8. I don't want him here forever. How many games has he played now, he'll never improve.
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People are taking about the plan, and the way I see it the plan is not about what we will do, but what we will not do.
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so how many home wins in 2013 ?
5 in the league in 2013....FIVE!!!!
Or his 56 games in charge = 15 wins home and away. Abysmal
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If it had ended 0-0 as it should've then we'd have got away with it just like the Sunderland game.
Palace deserved that for the second half performance.
Left back is a problem. Luna has turned into a major liability as Bolaise was getting past him so much but with Bennett unfit the only other alternatives are centre halfs. Who plays lb for the youth team?
I think it's got to a point now where whatever personel, formation we put out the players have it in their minds they just can't win at Villa Park. The reality is what has saved us from no home wins this season is two excellent Bacuna free kicks from 25 yards.
Not good, not good at all. At bleeding Xmas again aswell.
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Does anyone remember how many points we had after Boxing Day last season?
I'll have a go at answering my own question: I think we had one less point (18) this time last year (and we probably have a better goal difference which may ultimately count for another point).
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We are the worst side in the league at the moment and getting worse every week. We've all seen some shit down at VP in the past but this is incredible.
Big changes need to occur for us not to go down. Probably involving the manner and a P45. I just don't see another way out.
Very depressing.
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Does anyone remember how many points we had after Boxing Day last season?
I'll have a go at answering my own question: I think we had one less point (18) this time last year (and we probably have a better goal difference which may ultimately count for another point).
Correct. We then got three draws before we played West Ham in mid February:against Swansea, West Brom and Everton.
In short, we needto pick up points asap or another amazing end of season run will be needed to keep us up.
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Palace deserved that for the second half performance.
My cousin supports them i'm happy for him. Yep they fully deserved to win, Swansea fans must be going crazy on twitter right now.
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so how many home wins in 2013 ?
5 in the league in 2013....FIVE!!!!
Almost a win every 4 games...that's going down this season form.
We were only lucky last season that there were 3 worse teams than us....can we rely on that this year....I hope not.
Or his 56 games in charge = 15 wins home and away. Abysmal
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Does anyone remember how many points we had after Boxing Day last season?
I'll have a go at answering my own question: I think we had one less point (18) this time last year (and we probably have a better goal difference which may ultimately count for another point).
Problem is a couple of weeks we were 4-5 points better than last season and really with a decent run on paper that should still be the case.
I really don't see being marginally better than last season as any sort of achievement given the shambolic state we were in this time last year, we're not far off that now.
And I think we'll need more points to stay up than whatever Wigan went down on (think it was 36) as the teams in the bottom 3 are more capable of getting wins than the ones down there last year as we've seen with Fulham and Sunderland also both winning today.
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How the smeg did KEA and Weimann stay on the pitch so long? Weimann was truly awful yet again, one of my concerns now with Lambert is that despite the poor for of Weimann he is a regular starter. Even if The Gladiator only has one leg, how the fuck can he be any less effective?
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That was shocking. Worst all-round display and performance I can remember for many years. Poor ball control, awful ball retention and overall lack of creativity.
Sadly all that's been generally true of us for quite a while now.
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I was very disappointed that we didn't get Solskjær at the time, and of the prospective candidates I thought Lambert the least impressive, with a mixed record of physical football and lots of long balls to big men. My views on him have changed significantly and there's a lot about him which impresses me, but the disconnect between the football he wants to play and the football he knows how to play is enormous.
The thing is we have seen what is possible. That didn't happen by accident. When Benteke got injured we were still doing well and playing well. And though we won that day the quality of our football has got progressively worse since. Transition should have been maintaining certain aspects and improving other things and I think when he got injured that disrupted those plans. That said, what has happened since is way worse than any of us could have imagined. Not as much the results but the level of play is hideous. If he remains which I suspect he will he needs to view this window as his salvation. He needs to get it right and very quickly.
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On a positive note, I was planning to go to these 3 straight home matches including the cup. I ducked out because our team cannot play football on even the most basic level. So, with tickets, petrol and refreshments, I am over £150 better off. But, I'd rather spend more and follow a Villa team that bothers to repay its fans for their support.
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They've all had Christmas, a lovely one at that I bet. No worries about bills and mortgages....and without a care in the world for Villa.
Cheers for a crap Christmas guys...all of you from the top to the bottom. Now I'm off to try and make ends meet...try that on the training ground and pitch one day, might do you some good.
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Another thing that pissed me off today. Why the smeg were we bringing all 11 players back when defending corners? Palace aren't exactly a side filled with giants. Left us with no out ball so even when we cleared it we were straight back under pressure.
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Another thing that pissed me off today. Why the smeg were we bringing all 11 players back when defending corners? Palace aren't exactly a side filled with giants. Left us with no out ball so even when we cleared it we were straight back under pressure.
I'll tell you why....because Lambert instructed them too, and that my friend is the the kind of witchcraft we have to put up with.
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Dragged my ass to the top of the Trinity and down again for nothing other than a cold in the making. Utter shit.
And if you know the woman that tripped over with a hot cup of coffee in her hand, please pass on my best wishes.
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Another thing that pissed me off today. Why the smeg were we bringing all 11 players back when defending corners? Palace aren't exactly a side filled with giants. Left us with no out ball so even when we cleared it we were straight back under pressure.
I'll tell you why....because Lambert instructed them too, and that my friend is the the kind of witchcraft we have to put up with.
I never ever understand why any manager does that in any game. Keep one on half way line and occupies 2 of their bods. Simple fucking arithmetic
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Dragged my ass to the top of the Trinity and down again for nothing other than a cold in the making. Utter shit.
And if you know the woman that tripped over with a hot cup of coffee in her hand, please pass on my best wishes.
Get your kit on, that's the best pass of the day
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Is it just me or do Lambert's tactical changes baffle everyone else? The players seem to have no idea what they are supposed to be doing and the changes actually make us worse!
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Is it just me or do Lambert's tactical changes baffle everyone else? The players seem to have no idea what they are supposed to be doing and the changes actually make us worse!
Well they don't baffle the opposite manager's who seem to be taking him to the cleaners every game.
I went with my wife today a casual fan and her opinion was no pass's forward and Bannan was better than our midfielders..
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Is it just me or do Lambert's tactical changes baffle everyone else? The players seem to have no idea what they are supposed to be doing and the changes actually make us worse!
Jordan Bowery looks like he can't quite believe he's playing professional football, let alone Premier League football. If that lad ever plays in the top division after he leaves us, I'll buy a hat and eat it.
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Any post match interview?
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Bowery is pretty poor but he was unlucky with his header.
We are just so bloody crap it is heartbreaking to watch us plod through every game.
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Bowery is pretty poor but he was unlucky with his header.
We are just so bloody crap it is heartbreaking to watch us plod through every game.
If there was any power behind it, we'd have snatched that game 1-0.
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Any post match interview?
I started shouting so loudly after 'We g...' that I could not hear the rest.
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A crack team of interpreters are working on the mumbleview as I type, the translation should be with us presently.
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Well so far there has been "manger reaction" from every other manager.....accept Lambert! A sign he's been told to sod off......?? :)
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I'm fed up with coming on here week after week and saying 'another shocking performance' and 'too many players simply not good enough'. Palace were far and away the worst team I've seen at Villa Park in a long time - except for us. Our football is now an embarrassment. I liked the idea of what Lambert was trying to do but I've now slipped over the fence to the 'he's just not good enough' side. The worst stat I heard on the way home was that Villa have scored less goals at home this season than any other team in the English leagues. Another relegation battle looms and this year (to date) we haven't got Benteke's goals to get us out of it. I really fear the worst.
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Any post match interview?
Seems delayed tonight - hopefully faulkner is walking him around the rose garden.
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Well so far there has been "manger reaction" from every other manager.....accept Lambert! A sign he's been told to sod off......?? :)
I wouldn't be entirely surprised.
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Another manager has just got the bullet for bad results ,Millwall have just sacked their manager .Seems only at villa could a manager be so bad and keep his job
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Another manager has just got the bullet for bad results ,Millwall have just sacked their manager .Seems only at villa could a manager be so bad and keep his job
Watch this space.
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Interesting either he's locked the team in the dressing room for ages properly unleasing the riot act or yes he is meeting the directors.
I'd still be amazed if he loses his job tonight.
See you all in 48 hours for the depressing reality of another home game at Villa Park!
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No such luck...
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I'd be gob-smacked if he was given the sack before the Swansea game.
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Would we all say if we lose to Swansea then he goes??
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I'd be gob-smacked if he was given the sack before the Swansea game.
Me too. I think he'll have been expected to win at least one of the home games, and he still has another chance.
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I'd be gob-smacked if he was given the sack before the Swansea game.
Can't see it happening unless we lose the next 3 in all honesty. Faulkner would have to admit another recruitment error. It would or most definitely should reflect badly on him. I take reflecting badly on Lerner as a given.
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Something isn't quite right though. We should be improving that was the whole point of 'young and hungry'?
Anyone else get the impression there is something wrong in the dressing room? They had more fight in them last year, and worked harder. All in my opinion of course.
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I'd be gob-smacked if he was given the sack before the Swansea game.
We shouldn't be really. His record is awful.
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Avtv have spoken to him afterwards. IABfQ
Great endeavour and effort says Lambert :(
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I'd be gob-smacked if he was given the sack before the Swansea game.
We shouldn't be really. His record is awful.
Based on results you have a point, based on what the club's hierarchy know about football it would be. McDoom was give a whole season after all.
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Paul Lambert on Palace loss.
Paul Lambert spoke of his deep frustration after the 1-0 home loss to Crystal Palace - and then called for his team to meet the upcoming challenges head on.
Lambert was gutted to see Dwight Gayle hit a wonder goal to win it for the visitors in stoppage time.
He was happy with the team's effort and endeavour but accepted there was a lack of creativity in the side for the Boxing Day encounter.
The boss is now demanding a rapid response from his team to get them back on track - and give the loyal supporters something to cheer about.
He said: "It was tough to take.
"There was a lot of endeavour and hard work but not much creativity.
"We got hurt with the classic counter-attack. Their goal was a great strike. But it was disappointing.
"It was very tight in there. They defended well and deep. We needed that creativity or that goal. But it never happened.
"I thought we had two decent chances from Andi. We might have got one of those.
"But if you can't win, you don't lose it. We got caught.
"We have no time to dwell on it because there's a quick turnaround. We have to go again on Saturday.
"It's the old cliché but you have to pick yourselves up. You have to meet the challenge.
"There's no point wilting. I am disappointed. But you pick yourself up and meet that challenge."
On the home form - which has seen us win just two in nine - he added: "It isn't good enough. The lack of goals is contributing to the not winning games. You have to turn it around.
"There's no magic formula. There's more pressure because of the size of crowd but you should overcome that. That should be a given. The crowd are right on your side.
"You have to stand up and be counted. We have to get on the front foot. We have to create more.
"There shouldn't be too much pressure because you've got 40,000 behind you every time.
"There shouldn't be that pressure but there's an expectancy level you have to try to live up to if you play here. That's normal. I have said that from day one since I came in.
"You have to handle that situation.
"We have to give them something to go with. The support was there. It will always have the support.
"You can't be critical of the fans here because they have backed us all the way.
"You stick with it. It's important everyone sticks together.
"I understand their frustration. That's any club. This one even more so because it's big.
"They will vent their frustration in the same way they will get behind you when you're winning. It's the same.
"You have to be big enough to take it. You have to see it through. You can't run away from it. It's there.
"The team is big enough to take it. It's more or less the same group of lads who went on that run last time.
"My job is to be as positive as I can. That's my job. I am not going to be downbeat.
"You have to get them going again for Saturday.
"I have looked at the table. It's as tight as anything for midway through to right down."
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Avtv have spoken to him afterwards. IABfQ
Great endeavour and effort says Lambert :(
Not far off from the same junk that comes out of his gob. He's a lucky manager like MON and his luck ran out a long time ago for me. He's not very good to keep it simple.
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If we get beaten by Swansea and Sunderland he would surely have to go. I don't see happening before then.
Not sure it would make a massive difference though, the squad is piss poor
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Lerner has got a lot to answer for, there is no doubt about it. But, you can not say he's hasn't backed Lambert. 40 million in 18 months is more than a lot of Prem teams have spent... it's not his fault that Lambert has decided to piss the majority of it up the wall. Some of these players may, and it's a big may, become good enough - but the simple fact is they are a million miles away from being ready now. I've tried hard to keep the faith with this guy, but I've reached tipping point now. Who do I want in? I don't know - but one thing for certain is it can't be worse than is happening at the minute. Villa are so bad and lifeless it's making me hate football.
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I honestly would not be at all surprised if Learner has no idea how bad things are He knows next to nothing about football and is probably being told by Faulkner and Mr Mumbles how well we are doing
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Something isn't quite right though. We should be improving that was the whole point of 'young and hungry'?
Anyone else get the impression there is something wrong in the dressing room? They had more fight in them last year, and worked harder. All in my opinion of course.
Unusually we watched the team warm up before the game and to quote what I said at the time - "this lot look pissed off" They didn't look happy and I do wonder what is going on behind closed doors ?
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Two appalling sides and a game decided by the only bit of quality. Really need maximum points from the next two games, but can't see it. Swansea will pass us to death and Sunderland seem to have a new lease of life with Poyet.
Today was the first time the crowd have really turned on Lambert, and I'm stunned its taken this long. He's running out of time and excuses.
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Lambert spoke on Tom Ross show at 5.45. I was listening on the way home. Not joking at all but I did not understand 90% of his speech. He was more incoherent than normal. What I did hear was "we will fight we will roll our sleeves up and fight"
If a manager having been given job and authority to do what's required says that halfway through his second season than I despair. In my job I will be replaced in similar situation.
I have nothing more on this.
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Something isn't quite right though. We should be improving that was the whole point of 'young and hungry'?
Anyone else get the impression there is something wrong in the dressing room? They had more fight in them last year, and worked harder. All in my opinion of course.
Unusually we watched the team warm up before the game and to quote what I said at the time - "this lot look pissed off" They didn't look happy and I do wonder what is going on behind closed doors ?
In what way. I wasn't there due a delibitating bout of man flu
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The players who looked good last year collectively look shit this year, and there isn't one player you can say is quite clearly a cut above the rest. I agree that there's something odd going on that we don't know; I can accept one or two players losing form, but for a whole side?
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Would we all say if we lose to Swansea then he goes??
I hold out hope we don't lose at home to fellow mid-table dwellers, but after today's result, if we lose again, then I'd be surprised if he didn't get the bullet. We're not even playing well. Albrighton was doing ok, but he was put out on loan by Lambert before being recalled.
The huge majority of his signings are rubbish. There's no quality in the squad if we have a couple of injuries; there's no game plan, no ideas how to break sides down, no skill, no tactics. What happens in training? Teams gave spent leas than us and play better football. The rot that was there since MON's time is still there; the club is listless; we're just bobbing along.
This is not good enough, it really, really isn't.
What if we get a new manager though? We're starting all over again, AGAIN. I'm at a loss to know where we go from here, we're stuck in an impossible situation; keep the current manager and struggle on, or get a new guy and struggle on until the next appointment.
Perhaps I should take the night off and enjoy the rest of my boxing day.
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Something isn't quite right though. We should be improving that was the whole point of 'young and hungry'?
Anyone else get the impression there is something wrong in the dressing room? They had more fight in them last year, and worked harder. All in my opinion of course.
Unusually we watched the team warm up before the game and to quote what I said at the time - "this lot look pissed off" They didn't look happy and I do wonder what is going on behind closed doors ?
You'd have thought the bomb squad being out of harms way would have improved morale if nothing else. It's just that so many solid players from last year now aren't performing you wonder if something has happened?
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I can't see anything other than a defeat by the swans next. That will make it 5 losses in a row. How can anyone survive that especially as they are our 'winnable' games. God help us when we face the likes of Liverpool next month.
Times up I'm afraid, he has to go
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Something isn't quite right though. We should be improving that was the whole point of 'young and hungry'?
Anyone else get the impression there is something wrong in the dressing room? They had more fight in them last year, and worked harder. All in my opinion of course.
Unusually we watched the team warm up before the game and to quote what I said at the time - "this lot look pissed off" They didn't look happy and I do wonder what is going on behind closed doors ?
You'd have thought the bomb squad being out of harms way would have improved morale if nothing else. It's just that so many solid players from last year now aren't performing you wonder if something has happened?
I wonder if there is more to the Benteke situation?
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Another of the so called winnable games gone . God it is so depressing being a villa fan these days
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Maybe the disaffection apparent in the team is them angling for a winter loan spell in sunny Malaga?
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Maybe getting Benteke to sign a new contract was a bit of a 'winner's curse'? Can't have been good for the other young and impressionable players to see somebody who wanted out of 'the project' get rewarded with a big fat contract?
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Totally and utterly clueless all over the park. No tactical or positional plan whatsoever. Lambert will be lucky, very lucky to come through this. A disgrace to the shirt.
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Maybe getting Benteke to sign a new contract was a bit of a 'winner's curse'? Can't have been good for the other young and impressionable players to see somebody who wanted out of 'the project' get rewarded with a big fat contract?
Seems nearly all those who new improved deals have played well below their best since - Weimann, Lowton , Westwood, baker .
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Maybe getting Benteke to sign a new contract was a bit of a 'winner's curse'? Can't have been good for the other young and impressionable players to see somebody who wanted out of 'the project' get rewarded with a big fat contract?
Seems nearly all those who new improved deals have played well below their best since - Weimann, Lowton , Westwood, baker .
Agreed. With the exception of Benteke, was there really any need to give these players new deals?
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McLeish had a whole season before we spoke out from the terraces - Lambert has heard the first rumblings after one and a half seasons of interminable rubbish - that end of season run was a "blip" - this is the real deal
Fickle my arse ;-)
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God only knows what goes on at training. They cant watch replays of the game or even talk to each other. They really are that bad at the moment.
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Totally and utterly clueless all over the park. No tactical or positional plan whatsoever. Lambert will be lucky, very lucky to come through this. A disgrace to the shirt.
He doesn't need luck. He has a boss who doesn't really care anymore.
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Maybe getting Benteke to sign a new contract was a bit of a 'winner's curse'? Can't have been good for the other young and impressionable players to see somebody who wanted out of 'the project' get rewarded with a big fat contract?
Seems nearly all those who new improved deals have played well below their best since - Weimann, Lowton , Westwood, baker .
The only new deal Baker should have been given was with a team of flower arrangers. Mind, he'd still hit the floor feeling his knee after slightly pricking his finger on a rose.
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Just home from the game. I have got to the point now when I do not expect them to win. I expect them to be appallingly bad and to lose. There will still be those who come on these pages demanding that Lambert is given time and that his master plan will come good. That Lerner really is Villa through and through and that Faulkner is a football man through and through. I shall keep going to watch Villa play for one reason and one reason only - because I always have. I expect nothing and nothing is what we will get. There is no master plan, no cunning strategy, no light at the end of the tunnel. Lambert is winging it. He winged it at Colchester and he winged it at Norwich. The Villa job has found him out.
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Another frustrating thing, how often is it that when we do manage to pass the ball forward and it reaches another Villa player they are facing our goal. So there is no fast passing as they either have to pass back or sideways at best, or take the time to turn and face the right direction. I have no coaching experience and even I know about pass and move, passing the ball to a bloke going forwards etc. What the smeg do our coaches teach these players?
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Maybe getting Benteke to sign a new contract was a bit of a 'winner's curse'? Can't have been good for the other young and impressionable players to see somebody who wanted out of 'the project' get rewarded with a big fat contract?
Seems nearly all those who new improved deals have played well below their best since - Weimann, Lowton , Westwood, baker .
The only new deal Baker should have been given was with a team of flower arrangers. Mind, he'd still hit the floor feeling his knee after slightly pricking his finger on a rose.
Swiftly followed by putting his head through the front door and rolling about for 15 minutes.
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Crab football. Or crap football.
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Another frustrating thing, how often is it that when we do manage to pass the forward and it reaches another Villa player they are facing our goal. So there is no fast passing as they either have to pass back or sideways at best, or take the time to turn and face the right direction. I have no coaching experience and even I know about pass and move, passing the ball to a bloke going forwards etc. What the smeg do our coaches teach these players?
Exactly. I managed a Sunday morning team. And seeing that shower, I ridiculously feel certain that I could improve them.
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What was this Weimann altercation with a fan after the match? Read it in the telegraphs post match report?
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Spot on, PWS. I manage a few school football teams. I could do better. C- for Mr Lambert and that's being generous.
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I know it's a cliche but some cliches are true, but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. It's Lerner's pitiful budget that is dragging us down. This is why the likes of Martinez and OGS turned us down. They took one look at their budget and said "no thanks". Until this changes we'll always be a perennial relegation battler or even a Championship club.
This is true.
Championship wages = championship players.
Championship players = Championship eventually.
It isn't a bold experiment, this is ridiculously optimistic cheapness. They can tell themselves it is about young and hungry all they like but this is a truly pathetic squad.
It is repeat to fade. So obvious. Lambert may not be the answer but if you strip your squad of experienced premier league players and replace them with our squad you are by the law of averages bound to fail more often than not.
I got challenged a couple of weeks ago about whether the owner should continually invest. But in this business you have to keep investing to stay ahead. Otherwise I simply cannot see the point of continuing. He sure as hell won't have a chance of recouping his 300m or whatever outlay it is with the current strategy especially when in the Championship.
Typical Villa though will change the manager more than likely and not address the root cause.
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Lambert assured us this Christmas would not be as bad as last year. Well it is. I couldn't see what plan he had then and still can't. I am expecting nothing from Swansea and Sunderland. A 'shock' exit in the cup would not surprise me but a 'shock' managerial exit would.
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There seems to be something deeper wrong with our team! I was at the game. Just got home. We seem to be totally lacking in any confidence and additionally inept at making short sensible passes to break teams open. We seem to be completely clueless.
All the players who saved our bacon last year have all gone off the boil at the same time. They all seem to have the first touch of an elephant. There must really be some kind of coaching issue here. At the start of the Season I thought we looked like we had made some improvement. sadly we look no better than when we were playing under TSM. The lack of any kind of plan B is worrying. It would appear that when we want to bring on a match winner we bring on a 450k player from Chesterfield
We still have no sting or strength in midfield and look overall sloppy. There were a few moment s of classy play today but we are unable to sustain pressure on teams.
This is a disappointing time, At the moment we are lucky that there are even worse teams than us!
This should have been 3 points, we should not be worrying about teams like Palace. I think that Lambert could be in trouble if we lose again on Saturday!
Frankly I will not be renewing my ST next year. My job makes it difficult to attend mid week games and TV seem to insist on making more and more games midweek and Sunday at 4 pm etc. So it really a special effort to get to games and when I am rewarded with rubbish like that, it is hard to justify. I doubt Villa will care if I don't renew!
The average player can just go , join another club, as do the managers, we are stuck with them for life!
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But if we lose to Swansea and Sunderland that's 7 on the bounce. Has any manager ever lost 7 in a row and not lost his job!?
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If.
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What was this Weimann altercation with a fan after the match? Read it in the telegraphs post match report?
Oh that wasn't a fan. It was a Wolves scout waving a contract. Andi simply emphasised that he would be out of his depth anywhere higher than Kidderminster.
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But if we lose to Swansea and Sunderland that's 7 on the bounce. Has any manager ever lost 7 in a row and not lost his job!?
With arsenal Liverpool and everton to come next :(
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What was this Weimann altercation with a fan after the match? Read it in the telegraphs post match report?
Maybe the fan pointed out o Weimann that seeing as we've doubled his wages he had better start putting some effort in. We live in hope anyway...
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I know it's if but it's on comment to the poster expecting nothing from those two games.
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Ive just got back. Luckily not from the match but from the Lake District! No change today I see. The current performances equal anything in 86/87 or 66/68. We are magnificently dire in the extreme. Now we all know Doug would have got rid of the current manager by now and equally we know there is not a 'cats in hell chance' that Randy has any intention of doing anything whatsoever.
Forget the spectre of relegation for a minute. We are playing an appalling brand of football, its depressing to watch. Supporters pay a great deal of money to attend games home and away and they should expect a certain level of entertainment . Mr Lambert, a dour stubborn individual, does not appear to have ability or intellect to provide this. He has fallen far short of what we require at Aston Villa.
I for one would hope that Eastie would stop posting Lambert's post match excuses . I for one have had enough of him (Lambert that is!) and
am not interested one iota in anything he says anymore.
I would like to think he's a dead man walking.....but I suspect he is not.
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There seems to be something deeper wrong with our team! I was at the game. Just got home. We seem to be totally lacking in any confidence and additionally inept at making short sensible passes to break teams open. We seem to be completely clueless.
All the players who saved our bacon last year have all gone off the boil at the same time. They all seem to have the first touch of an elephant. There must really be some kind of coaching issue here. At the start of the Season I thought we looked like we had made some improvement. sadly we look no better than when we were playing under TSM. The lack of any kind of plan B is worrying. It would appear that when we want to bring on a match winner we bring on a 450k player from Chesterfield
We still have no sting or strength in midfield and look overall sloppy. There were a few moment s of classy play today but we are unable to sustain pressure on teams.
This is a disappointing time, At the moment we are lucky that there are even worse teams than us!
This should have been 3 points, we should not be worrying about teams like Palace. I think that Lambert could be in trouble if we lose again on Saturday!
Frankly I will not be renewing my ST next year. My job makes it difficult to attend mid week games and TV seem to insist on making more and more games midweek and Sunday at 4 pm etc. So it really a special effort to get to games and when I am rewarded with rubbish like that, it is hard to justify. I doubt Villa will care if I don't renew!
The average player can just go , join another club, as do the managers, we are stuck with them for life!
Firstly, you are correct and, secondly, far from feeling guilty about your ST, your stoicism for the last 4 seasons should earn you a New Year Honour.
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I know it's if but it's on comment to the poster expecting nothing from those two games.
If we get nothing from Swansea or Sunderland I'll be less supportive of Lambert.
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I know it's if but it's on comment to the poster expecting nothing from those two games.
If we get nothing from Swansea or Sunderland I'll be less supportive of Lambert.
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We need the orange dot!
Wait until tomorrow.
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The last time the dot worked, it was so long ago that it was a black and white dot.
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Last season.
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We were awful and only Guzan kept us in the game. And that was against a very poor Palace side. The big thing is, Lambert seems to have now lost a large enough percentage of the fans to question whether he will ever turn that particular situation around. If he doesn't it will have a negative impact on results for the rest of the season. Results that are looking negative enough without that added issue.
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Last season.
Actually it was Cardiff 2-0 this season. Worked a treat. One of the only times I've ever bet on a Villa win.
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We've suffered long injuries and loss of form to our most influential players but the fact is we've only scored in three home league games this season. We never even looked remotely like scoring against Sunderland and Palace, two of the worst teams in the league. That is completely unacceptable. The table doesn't confirm it yet but we actually are the worst team in the Premier League. We have a defence that can't defend adequately and the midfield and attack don't have the ability to create and score goals unless we sucker somebody on the counter attack. Thank God for Brad Guzan. Lowton and Baker were pitiful defenders today. Palace would have won comfortably were it not for Brad. As for Andi Weimann, he's been a waste of space for a long long time now. He shouldn't be anywhere near our first team. I need, and intend to drink myself to sleep tonight after that horror show.
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Last season.
Actually it was Cardiff 2-0 this season. Worked a treat. One of the only times I've ever bet on a Villa win.
Ah. Time for a resurrection.
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The fact Guzan turned into Les Sealey as the game went on tells you everything about the defensive performance and what he thought of it.
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He was nearly at the half-way line in the second half berating the incompetent muppets in front of him.
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Another frustrating thing, how often is it that when we do manage to pass the ball forward and it reaches another Villa player they are facing our goal. So there is no fast passing as they either have to pass back or sideways at best, or take the time to turn and face the right direction. I have no coaching experience and even I know about pass and move, passing the ball to a bloke going forwards etc. What the smeg do our coaches teach these players?
It's as though they're using the ball to Waltz. Forward, side, back, side, forward........ Or however it goes.
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Brad is my current Villa hero. Fuck me he doesn't half care. It's a sad state of affairs where as we reach the half way mark of the season him and Delph, and possibly Kozak, are the only players to come out of it with any credit. Oh and Vlaar.
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A collective set of Mark Drapers.
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Bannan was far better than all of our midfield.
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Brad is my current Villa hero. Fuck me he doesn't half care. It's a sad state of affairs where as we reach the half way mark of the season him and Delph are the only players to come out of it with any credit. Oh and Vlaar.
Yep. Okore aswell.
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Brad is my current Villa hero. Fuck me he doesn't half care. It's a sad state of affairs where as we reach the half way mark of the season him and Delph, and possibly Kozak, are the only players to come out of it with any credit. Oh and Vlaar.
Yep, those were the only four names my son and I could come up with after the game. Out of a squad of how many? No wonder we are struggling.
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I am one of the prats who post comparison stats on here when weve lost yet another game to try and make us feel better but will not be doing that tonight, after attending the game today I am thoroughly depressed and officially worrired, it feels like a slow death at the moment and I really fear for us tonight, I think two more defeats will follow against Swansea and Sunderland which will probably see us a fraction above the drop zone, will that mean the end for Lambert?, probably not.
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If that is the case then it should do.
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If we lost the next two then i'd want him gone. Lose 7 in a row, with the majority of those games against mid-table or lower, and it's P45 time.
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If we lost the next two then i'd want him gone. Lose 7 in a row, with the majority of those games against mid-table or lower, and it's P45 time.
To score 1 goal and get zero points v Sturke, Fulham and Palace is abysmal, lose to Swansea and Sunderland and he would have to be sacked.
Interesting has there been any statement of support from Faulkner as per last year and for Houllier in Jan 2011?
IIRC under TSM we were dire from Feb onwards when we lost Bent and Petrov.
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I have no doubt Palace came for a draw before the game but I could almost hear Pulis's half time team talk at the game. We were their for the taking. Get the ball wide and play on Villa's truly awful left back.
Make no mistake they deserved to win, if only for us suicidally leaving ourselves one on one in injury time when we weren't losing the game.
I have tried to be patient and to see the bigger picture up to now but there is no way players like Luna, Baker, KEA, Bowery will ever be competent Premier League players.
Lambert's experiment is a noble failure but should never have been attempted at a great club like Aston Villa. I am embarrassed at the terrible statistics he has thrown up in the last 18 months. We need to make a change before it's too late.
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I actually found the first half very entertaining in a "look at all the funny people looning about" sort of way*.
If you imagine clown music as they rush about it is quite enjoyable until the moment you realise you have paid money to watch it.
*Crystal Palace added to the delight by being bloody awful as well
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Change it now Villa. It ain't working.
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Being reported that Culverhouse told booing fans to "shut the fuck up" .
Quite a few people who sat by dugout reporting this on twitter.
Imagine how much worse it would be for PL if he hadn't followed TSM!
Really hope he goes soon as totally lost any ounce of faith I had left. I just don't trust him to bring in any of the players we need
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If that is the case then it should do.
It should do Legion but I honestly think our ship would go down with Lambert in it.
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There was a time when the turf wore out in the goalmouths. Ours now wears out in two triangles at the junctions of the half way line and the touch lines. We spend minutes on end playing in these areas, especially the one in front of the dugout. Forwards, backwards, sideways, forwards, backwards, sideways. All the opposition has to do is box us into those spaces and we eventually surrender possession. That is usually followed by one of our players lunging in to get the ball back and conceding a free kick. We do it endlessly. You can see a Villa player in a wide position in acres of space but he gets ignored while the others try to muddle their way through the touchline melee. If the wide unmarked men ever get noticed it comes to late and the defence shifts over to deny the space they have been standing in waiting for a pass. It is all so elementary. If you have the ball, look up. That is all you have to do. Look for the options. But they don't they just carry on playing their touchline triangles.
I also think KEA is in my top six all time worst Villa players since WW2.
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I've tried to be positive in the past but we plunged new depths of shitness today. That has to be in the top 3 worst games I've seen down Villa park. The goal at the end was just the icing on the cake. It's not even the fact we're so bad though. It's the fact I see no real light at the end of the tunnel. Even a change of manager won't do us much good because it's clear we're not going to spend any money and get any half decent players in, which in the end is what makes the difference. The top sides in the league have hoarded most of the good ones and sides like us and Palace are stuck watching average players try and out battle each other week in week out. Modern football is a joke.
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Being reported that Culverhouse told booing fans to "shut the fuck up" .
Quite a few people who sat by dugout reporting this on twitter.
Imagine how much worse it would be for PL if he hadn't followed TSM!
Really hope he goes soon as totally lost any ounce of faith I had left. I just don't trust him to bring in any of the players we need
If that is true, and only if, then he (Culverhouse) needs to offer an unreserved apology immediately with said apology being supported by Lambert.
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Unfortunately, it is true.
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Being reported that Culverhouse told booing fans to "shut the fuck up" .
Quite a few people who sat by dugout reporting this on twitter.
Imagine how much worse it would be for PL if he hadn't followed TSM!
Really hope he goes soon as totally lost any ounce of faith I had left. I just don't trust him to bring in any of the players we need
Culverhouse did the same last season. McLeish took vile abuse on the chin. This lot have had nothing yet but Culverhouse, by turning on the fans, has proved that he is not, and never will be, a Villa man.
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If, and it is if, he said that then he should be sacked imo.
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Being reported that Culverhouse told booing fans to "shut the fuck up" .
Quite a few people who sat by dugout reporting this on twitter.
Imagine how much worse it would be for PL if he hadn't followed TSM!
Really hope he goes soon as totally lost any ounce of faith I had left. I just don't trust him to bring in any of the players we need
@rotundafilms: @mini_beest he did, being 10 feet from the incident he actually said "shut up you f**king moron"
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If, and it is if, he said that then he should be sacked imo.
It is true and he has also said similar before.
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If we lost the next two then i'd want him gone. Lose 7 in a row, with the majority of those games against mid-table or lower, and it's P45 time.
Always respect your comments ,but that's like opening your reserve parachute 10 feet from the ground.how much more 'evidence' do we need ?
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He should be sacked then. If he'd said it to me I'd have smacked him one.
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When Luna was taken off he also switched Clark and Baker around so that Clark was defending Boloise's (sp) side with Bacuna. Worked pretty well as Boloise never really troubled us after that. Unfortunately their goal came from a long ball down our right hand side, where Baker was now playing and the rest as you say is history.
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If, and it is if, he said that then he should be sacked imo.
It is true and he has also said similar before.
Disgusting, they have deserved much more displeasure than what's been seen to date. Agree with the poster who says he needs to come out with a formal apology and backed up by PL.
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A picture of Dave Clark Five appears in today's programme.
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No doubt the "In Lambert we trust brigade " brigade will mock me for saying it,but saying it i will If this manager stays in charge ,there is every chance we could do a Wolves and be in League 1 after next season
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If we lost the next two then i'd want him gone. Lose 7 in a row, with the majority of those games against mid-table or lower, and it's P45 time.
Always respect your comments ,but that's like opening your reserve parachute 10 feet from the ground.how much more 'evidence' do we need ?
What I mean is I'm still in the shake him all about camp. Admittedly I'm shaking him by the neck right now. But lose the next two and I'll have my tent pitched, stove on and be sitting with a guitar around the fire in the Lambert out camp.
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No doubt the "In Lambert we trust brigade " brigade will mock me for saying it,but saying it i will If this manager stays in charge ,there is every chance we could do a Wolves and be in League 1 after next season
Wind in your digs aimed at anyone who disagrees with you or be banned. Consider this a final warning.
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Oh any Villa manager who loses six in a row should be ejected from the position very forcefully. The question is, should this manager go for losing four in a row?
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Pity Culverhouse isn't as aggressive towards the players as he is towards the season ticket holder fans that have to put up the same sh*t week in week out... he might get something more out of the players then...
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No doubt the "In Lambert we trust brigade " brigade will mock me for saying it,but saying it i will If this manager stays in charge ,there is every chance we could do a Wolves and be in League 1 after next season
Please just give it a rest. Post your opinions by all means but cease and desist with the unnecessary digs.
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With fans and the atmosphere turning against Lambert and a game in two days his mate Culverhouse hasn't done himself, his manager or his fellow coaches any favours has he?
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Someone had better tell Culverhouse that he is failing in his job, and the best thing he can do is keep his mouth shut and let his 'coaching' do the talking. He needs the fans more than we need him.
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I do fear that even if we managed to get someone in that gave us fans some confidence, he would struggle to do anything with the woeful lack of quality in Lambert's squad. To my mind, it is the worst since the mid 80's. We don't deserve to stay up with the garbage we are playing.
How has it come to this?
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I think that his time is up.
He is clearly out of his depth at Villa, and Lerner is not helping the situation.
Villa is too big a club for him, we need a manager like SGT who an tell the board what needs to be done.
Lambert is not a big enough character for us
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If they just did there job it would be a start. Interesting to see that Bannan's corners were whipped in to box as opposed to aimlessly floating them in the general direction of the box... following directions clearly.
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Just got back and it may be a while before I go back. Utter shit no cohesion poor passing non existent movement etc. etc.
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If they just did there job it would be a start. Interesting to see that Bannan's corners were whipped in to box as opposed to aimlessly floating them in the general direction of the box... following directions clearly.
Another example of lack of coaching and/or lack of skill was Albrighton when he was passed to at the Witton End. A natural player would have hit a short cross with his left foot, providing an outswinger enabling a striker to get power on with a header. Marc stopped to get the ball onto his right foot. He then delivered a feeble inswinger that was easy to mop up.
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didn't BFR get the push for loosing 4 in a row or was it more? Too sick of it all at the moment to check
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Someone had better tell Culverhouse that he is failing in his job, and the best thing he can do is keep his mouth shut and let his 'coaching' do the talking. He needs the fans more than we need him.
Correct on all counts.
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Wasn't it 1 point from 27 when Fatkinson got sacked?
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Have not been today as I had to work. So I am commenting from a distance and not been directly subjected today to what most of you have.
Yes I'm pissed off, my faith in Lambert is being shaken but I still say stick with him if for no other reason that clubs are all too ready to sack the manager after a run of bad results.
But never mind that, I am more concerned about Culverhouse. If what is being said is true then he should issue an immediate public apology to the fans and make sure nothing remotely similar happens again. If not then he should be sacked immediately. This is Aston Villa and we don't keep people like that in our club. Savo Milosovic didn't stay around for long after the spitting incident at Blackburn. I reckon Doug made sure of that and I hope Lerner/Faulkner have the same values.
Fans don't really pay their wages now - the TV does - but they are still the heart and soul of the club.
Culverhouse - Apologise or be sacked.
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Word for the crowd today, 37.5k against a no mark team like Palace was a really good attendance (I accept season ticket holders who didn't turn up were still counted and there were cheap ticket deals but still). Judging from the tv pictures Palace surprisingly didn't fill much of the bottom tier so it would've been close to 39k if they'd all turned up.
Really given the garbage we watch every other week at Villa Park, it's a tribute to loyalty we get much over 30k. We really deserve to watch a better football team imo.
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They didnt fill the top tier either. Holte looked pretty much full.
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I do believe that come full time vs Swansea its a case of feck off lambert the villa is ours chant round he ground.
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Wasn't it 1 point from 27 when Fatkinson got sacked?
43 points from 42 games as well I believe.
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Is Culverhouse Lambert's Peter Grant?
Not the most popular amongst the players whilst TSM was here.
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Culverhouse is a disgrace if this is true and should be marched out of the club.
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I do believe that come full time vs Swansea its a case of feck off lambert the villa is ours chant round he ground.
You won't find me joining in with such bully boy tactics. That sort of chant is appropriate to people who have slagged the fans off. I am not aware of Lambert doing that.
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didn't BFR get the push for loosing 4 in a row or was it more? Too sick of it all at the moment to check
Not really. It was the total results from after the League cup win the previous season and end of October (I think) the following season. Something like 10 wins in 40+ games.
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I do believe that come full time vs Swansea its a case of feck off lambert the villa is ours chant round he ground.
You won't find me joining in with such bully boy tactics. That sort of chant is appropriate to people who have slagged the fans off. I am not aware of Lambert doing that.
Spot on but lambert needs to deal with culverhouse. He can't let him get away with what he did this evening.
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didn't BFR get the push for loosing 4 in a row or was it more? Too sick of it all at the moment to check
Not really. It was the total results from after the League cup win the previous season and end of October (I think) the following season. Something like 10 wins in 40+ games.
41 points from 42 previous league games. We were poor other than the fantastic League Cup win and great Inter night when Bergkamp and Co were downed.
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Word for the crowd today, 37.5k against a no mark team like Palace was a really good attendance (I accept season ticket holders who didn't turn up were still counted and there were cheap ticket deals but still). Judging from the tv pictures Palace surprisingly didn't fill much of the bottom tier so it would've been close to 39k if they'd all turned up.
Really given the garbage we watch every other week at Villa Park, it's a tribute to loyalty we get much over 30k. We really deserve to watch a better football team imo.
I couldn't have said it better myself, I would just like to add though, if that drose on the pitch carries on the numbers will dwindle.
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Given the dire football, the support home and away has been superb all season. Again today, magnificent.
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Given the dire football, the support home and away has been superb all season. Again today, magnificent.
~Totally agree - average over 35k and this is the 5th season of average / poor home form.
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It is incredible really. Fair play to those going, I have not been regular for 2-3 seasons now, and miss match days but watching online I do think well that money was better spent on the house than the football.
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Quite apart from my belief that the root cause is the lack of comparable investment (with other teams) I do think it's worth looking at the case for the managers defence.
1. When do players start taking some responsibility for performances? Look at Weimann and Lowton as examples. What is it about much improved contracts for these two amongst others that have turned them so poor overnight?
2. The loss of Benteke and Vlaar are hard to overestimate. If you accept the fact that Benteke has been playing whilst unfit (something I do blame Lambert for) then it isn't a surprise he isn't the same player. After all he was looking very good up to the injury.
3. Gabby although loved by many continues to flatter to deceive season in, season out. I think he goes unnoticed as at some point in the season he chips in with a customary clutch of five goals and its considered job done for another season.
4. Finally the biggest disappointment for me has been the complete disappearance of the 'feelgood' factor of the 2nd half of last season. I think everyone including me expected those players to bounce into this season and compete above halfway at least . That it hasn't materialised only adds to the current angst of supporters.
I'm not sure whether Lambert is the right man for the job and his constant drivel about us being fantastic is wearing thin and I think his tactics are bordering on throwing down cones at times but it does bug me that professional players often go under the radar when it comes to collective blame.
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Given the dire football, the support home and away has been superb all season. Again today, magnificent.
I know we have no 'divine right to success' and all that but, yes, surely we deserve better than this.
Averaging a tad under 37k, more than Everton which as you say is excellent.
Today for the 4th season running I thought we are in big trouble. Under Houllier it was the Sunderland home game that started my annual panic and it was as depressing as today was.
I fully agree with the sentiment that sacking Lambert will do no good if the club is fixed on the current investment levels. That squad with no Benteke or Vlaar won't keep us up in my opinion.
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37.5k paying customers, 13th in the PL. If we were top 4 we would only fit another 5k in. Randy is laughing all the way to the bank. Nothing will change here.
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A picture of Dave Clark Five appears in today's programme.
I bet your household is Glad All Over tonight, Jon.
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its a recurring theme since lerner has been at the villa, appoints managers on the cheap (in comparison) and imo gives them unrealistic directives, ie get the wage bill down and sign bargain basement players. of all the players lambert has signed who has he signed from another premiership club?
we are buying at best championship players , so where do you think we'll be in no more than 2 seasons.
Then lerner how much of your dough do you think you'll get back.
At least get a football man back in as director of football. Sir Graham Taylor, and save money by sacking culverfuck
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New song to the tune of 'Nigel Spink, he rolls the ball to Platty':-
Nathan Baker, he passes the ball to Clarky,
Clarky turns around and passes the ball to Lowton.
Lowton takes two steps forward and passes to El Ahmadi.
El Ahmadi turns to face his goal….. and passes the ball back to Baker.
Repeat until fall asleep.
Somehow, I don't think we'll be singing this version in 25 years time.
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Damon summed it up very neatly when we walked back to our cars today. He compared the feelings brought on by that game to the feelings you have when you are about to be sick. You don't want to be sick, you tell yourself you are not going to be sick but up it comes. Likewise the feelings about the manager. You don't want him to go, you don't think he should go but ultimately he has to go. We are so bad and getting worse so fast it has become inevitable.
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Within minutes of a fairly bright start by us, Lowton was skinned by their No. 13. Shortly afterwards he did it again. Then their No. 7 came across to have a (successful) go. This was before they started probing Luna's deficiencies on the other side of the defence.
The fact is, that without Vlaar, the wheels have fallen off. I still maintain that with a fit Okore and Vlaar, things would have been considerably different in all areas of the pitch. But that is conjecture, and the fact that this is yet another home display to be filed under the inexorably expanding "unmitigated shit" category.
As a battle hardened veteran of our descent to the old Div 3, I am ashamed to say I have had enough, and will attend no more games this season. I will use the money to upgrade my membership at Edgbaston, where at least they seem to have an inkling of a fucking clue.
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A positive, we had 65% possession today. Didn't seem it but that's what the bbc says.
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A positive, we had 65% possession today. Didn't seem it but that's what the bbc says.
Most of it in our own half
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Damon summed it up very neatly when we walked back to our cars today. He compared the feelings brought on by that game to the feelings you have when you are about to be sick. You don't want to be sick, you tell yourself you are not going to be sick but up it comes. Likewise the feelings about the manager. You don't want him to go, you don't think he should go but ultimately he has to go. We are so bad and getting worse so fast it has become inevitable.
Whether the board act or not I feel we may be approaching the end game for PL. The supposed Culverhouse action towards fans is unacceptable. Once fans turn in different ways - e.g. Spuds with AVB, Ince at Blackburn, us v TSM at home to Bolton, Liverpool with 10k stay aways under Woy and Di Canio and his ludicrous actions v Albyion it is normally terminal.
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Agree, I'd say lambert has lost the fans now aswell as the dressing room. Bye.
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Looking forward to reading what the Lambert apologists made of today. For me in a must win game I thought the first 45 minutes were among the worst in terms of effort and invention I have witnessed in 20 years at VP. We sat too deep and were second best to a poor Palace side. When we need inspiration we got Bowery. God help us. The consensus was we need 4 pointd from the Christmas fixtures - oooops. I still dont think Lambert will go but on todays performance I cant see us winning another game. I always thought there were at least three sides worse than us but now im not so sure. Clueless manager and inadequate team.
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I think time is up and it's a shame because at the start he had the right ideals but I don't know what's happened to them. It's all crumbling and falling apart.
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No doubt the "In Lambert we trust brigade " brigade will mock me for saying it,but saying it i will If this manager stays in charge ,there is every chance we could do a Wolves and be in League 1 after next season
I agree, we have absolutely no quality apart from 4 players who are performing shit to average at best (except Guzan).
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There were some moments today where I had to laugh at how bad we were, or I'd have cried.
Without Vlaar we just look like a pub team with an awesome goalie.
I am dreading Swansea, as I've dreaded most home games for the last three years.
On the plus side I bet on an opposition clean sheet every time so I'm quids in this season.
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A positive, we had 65% possession today. Didn't seem it but that's what the bbc says.
We know what Lambert thinks about those stats... "the only one that counts is the score"...indeed
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Unfortunately, it is true.
Then he simply has to go. Even a grovelling apology is not enough to redeem that sort of behaviour.
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Unfortunately, it is true.
Then he simply has to go. Even a grovelling apology is not enough to redeem that sort of behaviour.
Anyone see Weimann's actions to the crowd? Hearing some rumours
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Unfortunately, it is true.
Then he simply has to go. Even a grovelling apology is not enough to redeem that sort of behaviour.
Indeed
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Worth noting Fulham ,Sunderland and Palace all won today and all changed managers after poor starts.Sometimes the manager needs time with Fergie turning it round at United often used as an example of patience and other times the guy in charge is useless and needs to go ..I'm leaning towards the latter now.
We are so easy to beat just sit back wait for us to cock up and take advantage.
Guzan -Kept us in it with great saves again
Luna-Holy fuck scares me everytime the ball goes near him.Curently out of his depth
Lowton - As a defender he is unconvincing alot of the time.Tidy enough on the ball and linked with Albrighton well at times
Baker - Wins alot of headers and makes eyecatching tackles..but like Luna fills me with dread when he is on the ball.His passing is woeful unless it's sideways
Clark -Did ok but dwells too long on the ball.Made some decent blocks
Albrighton - worst game since returning ..but was still one of the better ones.Played the one decent through ball all match that went to waste when Weimann skyed the ballback
KEA- Tidy enough on ball but creates zero and lightweight on the ball.Not player you want in a 2 man midfield
Delph - Tries hard but made some mistakes today by dwelling on ball.Went nuts in first half at a quick free kick played to him whilst every one piled into box leaving him no pass.Cares if nothing else
Weimann -No idea at all why he is played wide offered nothing at all.Had 2 good chances and fluffed both the second when he hit a tame volley inside the box was woeful
Kozak - Ineffective ,won little in the air and when he did get a break fluffed his cross into the box.
Gabby - Dangerous due to pace at times but dear lord he has no football brain fails to see better placed players time and time again.
Bowery - Made the keeper make a save ,,,best I can say
Tonev - Not on long enough
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If you can't keep clean sheets you need to be able to score plenty. We can do neither. It's Lambert's team, with his signings, so he has to take responsibility.
If Lerner got rid now it would take him a good two weeks to dither over a replacement and they would then have little time to bring in new players in January.
We may as well modestly back Lambert in January to put it right and get rid in the summer irrespective.
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No doubt the "In Lambert we trust brigade " brigade will mock me for saying it,but saying it i will If this manager stays in charge ,there is every chance we could do a Wolves and be in League 1 after next season
How in the name of he who's birthday we celebrated yesterday did you arrive at that conclusion?
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No doubt the "In Lambert we trust brigade " brigade will mock me for saying it,but saying it i will If this manager stays in charge ,there is every chance we could do a Wolves and be in League 1 after next season
How in the name of he who's birthday we celebrated yesterday did you arrive at that conclusion?
And anyway, I thought that to 'do a Wolves' would be to sack a stable but uninspiring manager without any actual plan to replace him and sinking flounderingly down.
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No doubt the "In Lambert we trust brigade " brigade will mock me for saying it,but saying it i will If this manager stays in charge ,there is every chance we could do a Wolves and be in League 1 after next season
How in the name of he who's birthday we celebrated yesterday did you arrive at that conclusion?
Apologist!!!!!!!!!!
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absolutely fucking woeful, start to finish
to top it off we had to spend an hour with Palace family afterwards, which was the highlight of the fucking day
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Everyone that paid for a season ticket deserves to get a refund. Its just heartbreaking to watch Villas iconic shirts being animated by such hapless creatures!
The most troubling thought is the knowing that with the tough fixtures at the start of the season, the end of the season is going to have the same encounters.
Can anyone see how the squad we saw today will get anything from Chelsea, MaN C, Liverpool or Arsenal? If we cant get the points needed to stay up NOW we are screwed!!!
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No doubt the "In Lambert we trust brigade " brigade will mock me for saying it,but saying it i will If this manager stays in charge ,there is every chance we could do a Wolves and be in League 1 after next season
I don't hate modern football, I just hate modern football fans. A few weeks ago Liverpool fans were calling for Rodgers to be sacked after losing to Hull. Thankfully Villa fans are adverse to OTT knee-jerk reactions. ::)
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We got away with it last season but we have to spend some money or we're down.
What a shambolic load of piss, beaten by Palace at home FFS!
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Apologist!!!!!!!!!!
I know I can't believe I am that transparent!
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No doubt the "In Lambert we trust brigade " brigade will mock me for saying it,but saying it i will If this manager stays in charge ,there is every chance we could do a Wolves and be in League 1 after next season
I don't hate modern football, I just hate modern football fans. A few weeks ago Liverpool fans were calling for Rodgers to be sacked after losing to Hull. Thankfully Villa fans are adverse to OTT knee-jerk reactions. ::)
Whether you agree or not with the common consensus is of course your opinion. It isn't however a knee jerk reaction. We were awful for the vast majority of last season and have been for the vast majority of this. Lambert has had 3 transfer windows and this is now his team. He has filled it with mostly dross who seem to lack even the most basic ability to be able to pass the ball or move into space.
We have failed to even score a goal in 6 out of our 9 home games and there are absolutely zero signs of it improving any time soon.
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6 out of 10 I believe.
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No doubt the "In Lambert we trust brigade " brigade will mock me for saying it,but saying it i will If this manager stays in charge ,there is every chance we could do a Wolves and be in League 1 after next season
I don't hate modern football, I just hate modern football fans. A few weeks ago Liverpool fans were calling for Rodgers to be sacked after losing to Hull. Thankfully Villa fans are adverse to OTT knee-jerk reactions. ::)
Whether you agree or not with the common consensus is of course your opinion. It isn't however a knee jerk reaction. We were awful for the vast majority of last season and have been for the vast majority of this. Lambert has had 3 transfer windows and this is now his team. He has filled it with mostly dross who seem to lack even the most basic ability to be able to pass the ball or move into space.
We have failed to even score a goal in 6 out of our 9 home games and there are absolutely zero signs of it improving any time soon.
For some it's a jerk of the knee, but for some of us it's more a slow raising of palm to face. We didn't want it to get there, but it has.
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We got away with it last season but we have to spend some money or we're down.
What a shambolic load of piss, beaten by Palace at home FFS!
Don't agree with your first line. Completely agree with your succinct summary in your second line.
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No doubt the "In Lambert we trust brigade " brigade will mock me for saying it,but saying it i will If this manager stays in charge ,there is every chance we could do a Wolves and be in League 1 after next season
I don't hate modern football, I just hate modern football fans. A few weeks ago Liverpool fans were calling for Rodgers to be sacked after losing to Hull. Thankfully Villa fans are adverse to OTT knee-jerk reactions. ::)
Whether you agree or not with the common consensus is of course your opinion. It isn't however a knee jerk reaction. We were awful for the vast majority of last season and have been for the vast majority of this. Lambert has had 3 transfer windows and this is now his team. He has filled it with mostly dross who seem to lack even the most basic ability to be able to pass the ball or move into space.
We have failed to even score a goal in 6 out of our 9 home games and there are absolutely zero signs of it improving any time soon.
For some it's a jerk of the knee, but for some of us it's more a slow raising of palm to face. We didn't want it to get there, but it has.
I think actively fought against it getting there, and tried to rationalise and find positives to keep a sunny disposition.
Losing at home to Palace and deserving to go down by more realistically, has broken my spirit on the back of the defeats to Stoke and Fulham.
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No doubt the "In Lambert we trust brigade " brigade will mock me for saying it,but saying it i will If this manager stays in charge ,there is every chance we could do a Wolves and be in League 1 after next season
I don't hate modern football, I just hate modern football fans. A few weeks ago Liverpool fans were calling for Rodgers to be sacked after losing to Hull. Thankfully Villa fans are adverse to OTT knee-jerk reactions. ::)
Whether you agree or not with the common consensus is of course your opinion. It isn't however a knee jerk reaction. We were awful for the vast majority of last season and have been for the vast majority of this. Lambert has had 3 transfer windows and this is now his team. He has filled it with mostly dross who seem to lack even the most basic ability to be able to pass the ball or move into space.
We have failed to even score a goal in 6 out of our 9 home games and there are absolutely zero signs of it improving any time soon.
Like you said, we have been awful for way, way too long for it to be in any way kneejerk, it's the total opposite of kneejerk, in fact.
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For some it's a jerk of the knee, but for some of us it's more a slow raising of palm to face. We didn't want it to get there, but it has.
I think actively fought against it getting there, and tried to rationalise and find positives to keep a sunny disposition.
Losing at home to Palace and deserving to go down by more realistically, has broken my spirit on the back of the defeats to Stoke and Fulham.
That's my position too.
However, I have to be fair, and the last time I gave up on Lambert was just before we went on that brilliant run last season, so here's hoping (but with face firmly placed in hands).
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We always go on about winnable games, but then manage to win precisely none of them.
Zero points from Fulham away, Stoke away and Palace at home is absolutely unforgiveable. That's just atrocious.
What scares me more, though, is that it's not as if we can say we were in any way unlucky. We were absolutely terrible in all of them.
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It's like a recurring nightmare isn't it. Next season won't be any better either.
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Like you said, we have been awful for way, way too long for it to be in any way kneejerk, it's the total opposite of kneejerk, in fact.
It is knee jerk to walk from where we are today heading for another relegation battle to suggesting we will be in League 1 season after next.
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Horrible. The team should run out to 'In the Bleak Midwinter'.
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Like you said, we have been awful for way, way too long for it to be in any way kneejerk, it's the total opposite of kneejerk, in fact.
It is knee jerk to walk from where we are today heading for another relegation battle to suggesting we will be in League 1 season after next.
In fairness that was only one poster, and they only said it could happen, which whilst highly unlikely, wouldn't be the first time a team suffered back to back relegations.
I suppose the only positive about going down is that we are already full of championship players which no premiership team would want! ;)
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Thank you taylorsworkrate for pointing out i said it COULD happen not it will
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From the Guardian:
this loss at home to Crystal Palace means Paul Lambert's side have the lowest home scoring record in all four divisions.
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Unfortunately the manager needs to go. Seemed a good appointment at the time but it hasnt worked out at all.
Finding the next manager could be a struggle but thats not a valid reason to stick with Lambert.
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What's this about Weimann's incident with some fans as he was walking off? I read a report from the Telegraph insinuating something happened?
Culverhouse can fuck off. Get your players to pass the ball a bit and no one will boo. Simple.
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The club should issue a statement as to what actions they have taken against Culverhouse, you cannot have a member of staff telling a paying customer to shut the f... up, and there is Lamberts way out, sack one of his coaches and he goes for the club interfering with his staff, not for the footballing reasons he should be gone for.
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From the Guardian:
this loss at home to Crystal Palace means Paul Lambert's side have the lowest home scoring record in all four divisions.
Ouchhh.
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Everyone that paid for a season ticket deserves to get a refund. Its just heartbreaking to watch Villas iconic shirts being animated by such hapless creatures!
The most troubling thought is the knowing that with the tough fixtures at the start of the season, the end of the season is going to have the same encounters.
Can anyone see how the squad we saw today will get anything from Chelsea, MaN C, Liverpool or Arsenal? If we cant get the points needed to stay up NOW we are screwed!!!
I think anyone / everyone who renews next season should get a serious discount - at least 30%.
Having slept on it - I wussed out and couldn't even watch us on MOTD I still think give him the next 3 games to see if he can turn it around.
Mr Faulkner and Co can you please ensure you have a workable practical contingency plan to deploy in the event Lambert falls short. And make sure any such plan does not involve a return of TSM.
Thanks in advance.
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From the Guardian:
this loss at home to Crystal Palace means Paul Lambert's side have the lowest home scoring record in all four divisions.
Ouchhh.
Crap but not at all surprising.
Coupled with the manner of the last 4 defeats means it must last chance saloon.
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From the Guardian:
this loss at home to Crystal Palace means Paul Lambert's side have the lowest home scoring record in all four divisions.
Ouchhh.
Crap but not at all surprising.
Coupled with the manner of the last 4 defeats means it must last chance saloon.
You could imagine this stat being applicable to the dwellers down the road but for us to literally have the worst in all leagues should be p45 time by itself. Utter crap
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If there is the slightest possibility that PL would be sacked for losing the next two games he should lose his job now. With him as manager we WILL lose both. I am also in the camp of it's not for us to have to say who would do a better job but recognise that the job being done is not good enough. Three transfer windows, his team, his tactics. Even with the tight financial constraints it's not good enough
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I thought we were on the slide, and I gave us 2 to 3 seasons to go, but as a lot have pointed out we are loosing to poor teams, at best palace are a championship team, and they were shit yesterday, but I could see within the first half hour, their confidence growing because they saw this as a chance of an away win
So if we go down, our ground to a lot of clubs in the championship is going to be biggest ground they've ever played on, so again I think we will be there a while until someone comes in and quotes things like Proud history Bright future bolox.
the game now more then ever , is about investment and the understanding that you aint going to make money out of it as an owner that is. So randy has tried to do it, comparatively on the cheap, being stung by o'neil when he first came, but he appoints managers and gives them little money and the mantra of reduce the wage bill.
as I said in a previous post the writings on the wall.
Th
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Tony your post is a bit lumpy but all the points you make are exactly correct especially the part about understanding by an owner that they are not going to make money out of a football club and that the levels of investment have to be very high.
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Take the Ci£y home game out and we have scored 3 in 9 at home !! Sweet fucking Jesus !! We are down unless this clown and his cronies are removed !!
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Take the Ci£y home game out and we have scored 3 in 9 at home !! Sweet fucking Jesus !! We are down unless this clown and his cronies are removed !!
May I enquire as to which clown you are referring?
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Anyway putting aside our team's performance issues some of our fans didn't do themselves proud yesterday. Why was Barry Bannan booed specially by lower Witton End in the second half? Maybe it's to do with the fact that likes of Young and Barry were booed on their return but do some people not understand the difference? Barry is from our youth set up and we sold him. The lad is trying to resurrect his career at Palace and we should wish him well in that not moronically boo him because he is our ex player.
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BB has gone to a club where he is held in high regard and will play well for them. I wish him well in his future career. He was the best player on the pitch yesterday.
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Take the Ci£y home game out and we have scored 3 in 9 at home !! Sweet fucking Jesus !! We are down unless this clown and his cronies are removed !!
I know its not great but why take out a game? Take the Cardiff game out as well if it pleases you?
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New song to the tune of 'Nigel Spink, he rolls the ball to Platty':-
Nathan Baker, he passes the ball to Clarky,
Clarky turns around and passes the ball to Lowton.
Lowton takes two steps forward and passes to El Ahmadi.
El Ahmadi turns to face his goal….. and passes the ball back to Baker.
Repeat until fall asleep.
Somehow, I don't think we'll be singing this version in 25 years time.
Excellent.
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BB has gone to a club where he is held in high regard and will play well for them. I wish him well in his future career. He was the best player on the pitch yesterday.
I thought bolaise was the best player on the pitch but BB did play well.
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Anyway putting aside our team's performance issues some of our fans didn't do themselves proud yesterday. Why was Barry Bannan booed specially by lower Witton End in the second half?
I clapped him when he went off. The booing was ridiculous.
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I have seen some shit in my 30 odd Villa supporting years but yesterday ranks as one of the worst displays I have ever seen. It was an embarassment, we got what we deserved and to be honest a better team would have had 3 or 4 if it had not been for Guzan. I am starting to think a better team will come in for Guzan in the Summer and then we'll be totally fucked.
What summed it up for me was during the second half we tried to gather a bit of momentum, had a couple of corners got the Holte End on their feet, then the ball went back to Baker just inside the palace half he looked up to see what was on and then just punted the ball straight to their keeper. This type of football is not good enough at any level of the game so to then read Ian Culverhouse swore at supporters who showed their frustration at the end really boils my piss.
Another complete mystery to me is what has happened to Matt Lowton? I was tipping this guy for the World Cup squad at the end of last season, he couldn't pass it 5 yards yesterday in stark contrast to Barry Bannan, pity he couldn't have showed a bit more like that in a Villa shirt he'd still be here.
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Lowton, Weimann, Westwood - all rewarded in the summer with pay rises and new deals and all have been woeful this season - it really is very disappointing.
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Playing the game at walking pace, this is one of our biggest problems, in my opinion.
We do this all along the back line. This is because there is little or no movement from the players in front on the ball. Consequently, the player in possession has nowhere to go and no one free to pass to. More often than not its a midfielder who drops very deep to take a pass, merely to knock it back to the same defender !
This is where the manager/coach earns their corn.
What is the manager/coach telling the players ?
Where is the movement ?
Where is the pace ?
Where are the runs into space or the runs to pull opposition players out of position to make room for others to exploit that space ?
Where is the confidence and bravery for one of our midfilders (or defenders) to run at the opposition with pace and make things happen?
This constant sideways passing along the back line, or short into a midfileder facing his own goal does not make us 'Arsenalesque'.
All it does is give the other team time to regroup, get every man behind the ball and stifle us.
Movement,movement,movement - that is where we need to improve, big time.
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When you go through all 18 games this season, how many have we actually deserved to win ? 2 or 3 perhaps ? That is shocking. I cannot think of a game that we have controlled and won comfortably, it really is alarming
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Anyway putting aside our team's performance issues some of our fans didn't do themselves proud yesterday. Why was Barry Bannan booed specially by lower Witton End in the second half? Maybe it's to do with the fact that likes of Young and Barry were booed on their return but do some people not understand the difference? Barry is from our youth set up and we sold him. The lad is trying to resurrect his career at Palace and we should wish him well in that not moronically boo him because he is our ex player.
Maybe so, but frankly we have more to worry about than whether Barry Bannan gets booed or not.
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This is not the first time that Culverhouse has reacted to fans. What does he or even Lambert expect after the dirge we are being served up? I'm struggling to find a worse side in the last 30 years than this one.
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When you go through all 18 games this season, how many have we actually deserved to win ? 2 or 3 perhaps ? That is shocking. I cannot think of a game that we have controlled and won comfortably, it really is alarming
Again selective use of stats or subjectivity does not help. By same token how many games have we not deserved to lose. I can think of 4.
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I don't want to frighten anyone but I've seen a quote from him this morning that has the words 'pick up and go again' contained within it.
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BB has gone to a club where he is held in high regard and will play well for them. I wish him well in his future career. He was the best player on the pitch yesterday.
Agree Brian, clear man of the match for me.
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Yes, he was.
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On the coach back from Stoke a villa fan of 65 years came on 5 live. He said in the manure game we reminded him of a bunch of chickens in the coop and someone had let a fox in everyone running around like headless chickens not knowing where to go.
I have stuck up for lambert on here because I don't think slagging the manager will get us anywhere, the players are as much to blame but there seems to be no cohesion to our play. When was the last time we seen our full backs overlapping and taking players on why do our wide players continually come in off the touch line Ben Arfa for the Geordies hugged that touch line all game and tore us to shreds.
Benteke will be another John Carew score a goal here and there and we think he's god like just hope he goes in January and the money spent wisely.
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Lambert, for all his faults (and there are clearly many), is doing exactly what our absentee landlord asked him to do when he gave him the job. Get the wages down, buy at the cheap end of the market and keep us at least fourth from the bottom.
Two and maybe three out of three will be enough to keep him in his job I fear. Lerner is the REAL problem. Leadership comes from the top and sets the mood for any business. The man is a coward who has never shown any leadership in seven years of ownership in my humble opinion No leadership on or off the pitch brings us to where we find ourselves.
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Guzan Least shit player we've got
Lowton Shit
Clark Very shit
Baker Extremely shit
Luna Amazingly shit
Albrighton Averagely shit
El Ahmadi Monumentally shit
Weimann Outstandingly shit
Delph Pretty shit
Agbonlahor Medium shit
Kozak Massively shit
Bacuna Fairly shit
Bowery Championshit
Tonev Mildly shit
Lambert He picked us up and we were shit again
had to come off last night , my dad turned up before he goes off on his south american trek for four months and I told him the score , his face looked like he won the lotto and lost his ticket.
just came on , read this and spat my tea out - shouldnt laugh but this cheered me up .
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Lambert, for all his faults (and there are clearly many), is doing exactly what our absentee landlord asked him to do when he gave him the job. Get the wages down, buy at the cheap end of the market and keep us at least fourth from the bottom.
Two and maybe three out of three will be enough to keep him in his job I fear. Lerner is the REAL problem. Leadership comes from the top and sets the mood for any business. The man is a coward who has never shown any leadership in seven years of ownership in my humble opinion No leadership on or off the pitch brings us to where we find ourselves.
I agree with this. Unfortunately, Randy hasn't considered the flaw in his plan -that the team's miserable home performances over many years now will ultimately see a lot of paying customers say enough is enough and vote with their feet next season.
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Lowton, Weimann, Westwood - all rewarded in the summer with pay rises and new deals and all have been woeful this season - it really is very disappointing.
I think i was the only one questioning all these new contracts. In the summer people seemed to forget how bad we were last season.
No. The club continues to dish out new contracts for no reason whatsoever. We were one game off from relegation no one deserves one imo.
That's your opinion. Not one I share.
You said it. If their in the last year of their contracts what's the problem with signing a new one in January or at the end of the season.
That is a very bizarre viewpoint. By January they would be free to sign a pre-contract with anyone else, so if they have a blinder of a season we could lose them for nothing. Do you think it makes sense to take that gamble?
Yes.
Ok, so this is just one of those crazy, "not-thought-through" things like your conspiracy masons post?
All those conspiracy posts are all 100% true and fact.
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just heard Lambert say I dont run away from anything and Im not running away from this ... ffs
as long as we maintain that work rate and effort .. ffs
what about your tactics ??? what about getting a proper coaching team ?
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Just read all 25 pages of this thread.
The rope and strong pain killers are now ready.
Bloody awful display again yesterday.
I really have nothing more to say at the moment. We are woeful and deserve to go down.
Not joining the lambert out camp just yet, but not far away from it.
It really is painfull to watch, again.
FFS Lambert, grow some balls and demand some cash. And don't spend it on young and fucking hungry, get some experience into the team.
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If we get beaten by Swansea and Sunderland he would surely have to go. I don't see happening before then.
Not sure it would make a massive difference though, the squad is piss poor
If we get beat by those two - Im afraid we are down
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If we get beaten by Swansea and Sunderland he would surely have to go. I don't see happening before then.
Not sure it would make a massive difference though, the squad is piss poor
If we get beat by those two - Im afraid we are down
Too early to say that.
However, if we do lose them that'll be 6 straight defeats in the league, which nobody can really argue with nhim getting the chop for.
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just heard Lambert say I dont run away from anything and Im not running away from this ... ffs
as long as we maintain that work rate and effort .. ffs
what about your tactics ??? what about getting a proper coaching team ?
He doesn't have to run away............... Walking would be fine by me, as long as it is brisk.
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But if we lose to Swansea and Sunderland that's 7 on the bounce. Has any manager ever lost 7 in a row and not lost his job!?
With arsenal Liverpool and everton to come next :(
cant wait for Suarez against Baker
Gerrard , Henderson and Coutinho against KEA and Westwood ;(
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When you go through all 18 games this season, how many have we actually deserved to win ? 2 or 3 perhaps ? That is shocking. I cannot think of a game that we have controlled and won comfortably, it really is alarming
Again selective use of stats or subjectivity does not help. By same token how many games have we not deserved to lose. I can think of 4.
I can only think of 2. The Chelsea game and perhaps Liverpool/Stoke. But we were crap against Stoke. My point is, we have been playing bad all season. In my opinion.
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Lambert, for all his faults (and there are clearly many), is doing exactly what our absentee landlord asked him to do when he gave him the job. Get the wages down, buy at the cheap end of the market and keep us at least fourth from the bottom.
Two and maybe three out of three will be enough to keep him in his job I fear. Lerner is the REAL problem. Leadership comes from the top and sets the mood for any business. The man is a coward who has never shown any leadership in seven years of ownership in my humble opinion No leadership on or off the pitch brings us to where we find ourselves.
Do you have any proof that this is what our absentee landlord asked of Lambert?
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just heard Lambert say I dont run away from anything and Im not running away from this ... ffs
as long as we maintain that work rate and effort .. ffs
what about your tactics ??? what about getting a proper coaching team ?
He doesn't have to run away............... Walking would be fine by me, as long as it is brisk.
Quality
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Just read all the pages also and glad it is not just an exaggeration or over reaction from me. Nearly 40 years of following the Villa and I struggle to remember performances like this. Yes we have had poor players, poor managers, poor coaches etc and played some poor football in the past but this must be the biggest single collection together at any one time. Normally I would not have minded losing to that goal yesterday but its the manner of it. Tactically inept without any kind of enthusiasm, what the hell is going on. They didn't even look as they cared after the game. As for Culverhouse, if I see him in the flesh he is in for a volley of every swear word known to man and explain to him exactly who the F*ckin Moron is.
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Being reported that Culverhouse told booing fans to "shut the fuck up" .
Quite a few people who sat by dugout reporting this on twitter.
Imagine how much worse it would be for PL if he hadn't followed TSM!
Really hope he goes soon as totally lost any ounce of faith I had left. I just don't trust him to bring in any of the players we need
If that is true, and only if, then he (Culverhouse) needs to offer an unreserved apology immediately with said apology being supported by Lambert.
what does Culverhouse do . Hes as useless as the Lambert . They are just taking the piss , taking good wages while giving us this dross.
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If we get beaten by Swansea and Sunderland he would surely have to go. I don't see happening before then.
Not sure it would make a massive difference though, the squad is piss poor
If we get beat by those two - Im afraid we are down
Too early to say that.
However, if we do lose them that'll be 6 straight defeats in the league, which nobody can really argue with nhim getting the chop for.
That would be my stance. I hate the short term fire at will nature of football but he was brought into play more attractive football and reverse the decline. Aside from last 10-12 games of last season he has done neither.
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From the Guardian:
this loss at home to Crystal Palace means Paul Lambert's side have the lowest home scoring record in all four divisions.
Id sack him for that , NOT GOOD ENOUGH !!!!!!
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Another complete mystery to me is what has happened to Matt Lowton? I was tipping this guy for the World Cup squad at the end of last season, he couldn't pass it 5 yards yesterday i
Lowton needs to sort his private life out from what Im hearing. Too many nights out on the piss in Sheffield
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Another complete mystery to me is what has happened to Matt Lowton? I was tipping this guy for the World Cup squad at the end of last season, he couldn't pass it 5 yards yesterday i
Lowton needs to sort his private life out from what Im hearing. Too many nights out on the piss in Sheffield
Can we have less of the unsubstantiated rumours please.
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Did anyone find it hilarious when Bacuna booted it out for a goal kick and the whole ground booed?
That was probably the best moment of the game, which sums up my feelings pretty well :(
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No, not really.
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Dave - what are your thoughts on our immediate predicament?
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Yesterday I watched a great game of football. Paget Rangers 9-0 Polesworth.
Did you lot enjoy your day as much as I did?
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Well after being an intermittant attender for years (shift work) then a ST holder for the last 17 years plus attending the majority of away games, including some in Europe, I sat at the Sunderland game and then on the 125 mile drive home and decided that enough was enough. I was not going to bother attending any more matches when even the most basic of tactics and skill were missing from the team. I put our tickets for the December/January games on Viagogo at knockdown price and sold them. I will await to see what happens in the transfer window but I do not hold my breath that I will attend VP again anytime in the future or in the forthcoming seasons.
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The day after the Palace disaster and that last minute winner keeps appearing in my mind it just takes over your life doesn't it?, before the match you hope and pray for the win to pull us clear again and make for a good xmas but then you sit through 90 minutes of torture, as ive previously mentioned I think Lambert will stay on board even if our ship goes down so we just have to get on with it and hope we survive again, if next summer Vlaar and Benteke leave and are replaced by more lower league fodder then we will almost certainly drop next season, we deserve so much better than this.
Merry Xmas to you all.
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Happy New Year to you, too!
MotD (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/aston-villa-0-crystal-palace-1-motd/)
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The day after the Palace disaster and that last minute winner keeps appearing in my mind it just takes over your life doesn't it?, before the match you hope and pray for the win to pull us clear again and make for a good xmas but then you sit through 90 minutes of torture, as ive previously mentioned I think Lambert will stay on board even if our ship goes down so we just have to get on with it and hope we survive again, if next summer Vlaar and Benteke leave and are replaced by more lower league fodder then we will almost certainly drop next season, we deserve so much better than this.
Merry Xmas to you all.
cant see Vlaar leaving . Whos buying an injury prone defender
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Happy New Year to you, too!
MotD (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/aston-villa-0-crystal-palace-1-motd/)
Thank you Legion for making me smile, up the Villa
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Yesterday I watched a great game of football. Paget Rangers 9-0 Polesworth.
Did you lot enjoy your day as much as I did?
It's a bit unfortunate if you follow the Villa and Polesworth as well !
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BB has gone to a club where he is held in high regard and will play well for them. I wish him well in his future career. He was the best player on the pitch yesterday.
I had £1 on him at 18-1 for first goalscorer and kept thinking I should have put more on as it looked like he would score.
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Yesterday I watched a great game of football. Paget Rangers 9-0 Polesworth.
Did you lot enjoy your day as much as I did?
It's a bit unfortunate if you follow the Villa and Polesworth as well !
Shocked that you missed the visit of the mighty boro ;)
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Guzan Least shit player we've got
Lowton Shit
Clark Very shit
Baker Extremely shit
Luna Amazingly shit
Albrighton Averagely shit
El Ahmadi Monumentally shit
Weimann Outstandingly shit
Delph Pretty shit
Agbonlahor Medium shit
Kozak Massively shit
Bacuna Fairly shit
Bowery Championshit
Tonev Mildly shit
Lambert He picked us up and we were shit again
Thanks Leeg. At least that raised a smile with me in these trying times and I agree with your shitometer ratings. We all know that Lerner won't pull the trigger on Lambert. I honestly think this is the season when years of poor management will finally catch up with us.
Yes, I'd like to see Lambert walk now but realistically, I don't think that will happen. So we're stuck with him.
I think Lambert's first priority is to try to get the defence playing as a unit. Ok Vlaar and Okore (who is a big loss in my view) are injured. What have we got then? Clark, Herd and Baker. What do the defensive coaches at Bodymoor teach these guys? There needs to be a serious examination of that area first. Then, midfield. Where is the creativity? How are we going to create chances for our strikers? I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Bodymoor - what the hell do they tell them there? What motivational techniques are used? Somebody needs to do a complete review of the coaching set up.
Oh, and buy some premiership quality players. It's clear that the "young and hungry" approach cannot work without some experienced players in the team as well and if Lambert can't see that then he is not qualified to manage our club.
Once again, my Christmas and that of thousands of others has been ruined by people not doing their jobs. Four losses on the trot and five wins at home this calendar year. If I was that shit at my job, I'd quite rightly be sacked. I've tried to be constructive in my comments but basically, Lerner needs to grow a pair and sack Mr Mumbles now and he can "go again" with a club in League two where most of his players come from.
Rant over.
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I've had 22 hours to calm down now but did hit the Baileys coffees pre 11am today as I was still shaken with the events of yesterday afternoon.
I think we crossed a line yesterday, like houllier did with his antics at anfield, as mcleish did after the Bolton debacle. Yesterday's performance and loss coupled with the Culverhouse/Weimann shenanigans is the beginning of the end for Mr Lambert.
I won't shed many tears.
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Has that odorous little weasel Culverhouse apologised yet?
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I am trying to make last as long as possible the numbness I have felt since yesterday's final whistle. My present mind set is that I am powerless to do anything to stop the pain so I I resign myself to it.
I don't care whether we sack or keep Lambert. I don't care whether Culverhouse abuses the fans I don't care whether Lerner knows or cares about what is happening to his business investment. I don't care if we lose to Swansea tomorrow. I don't care if Benteke stays or goes. All I care about is that I have the health and strength to drive myself to the games and see the Villa play. All else is just sound and fury.
If I did care I could only suggest minor things which might help ease the pain of the playing performances.
Let's stop being so soft. Craig Gardner is a hard and nasty piece of work there must be some of that in Gary. Play him and tell him to make his presence felt.
Let's stop being so nice to Brad Guzan. His individual performances are good insofar as he is a shot stopper of quality but he must stop slowing down the play and hoofing the ball down the middle of the park. Roll it out. Throw it out. When a keeper has centre backs as young and as lacking in composure and confidence as Clark and Baker he knows they will take the soft option time and time again. The soft, easy option is the ball back to the keeper. WHAT THE KEEPER MUST NOT DO is hoof it way over the half way line where it becomes at the very best 50-50 ball and we come under pressure again. The ball back to the keeper is a legitimate pass only if the keeper makes a pass with it.
We must break the predictable pattern of our passing -forwards, backwards, sideways, forwards, backwards, sideways until we lose possession and lunge in to regain possession and give away a free kick LOOK FOR THE OUT BALL Make yourself a target for the out ball. Don't keep covering the same small area of turf with your triangles, move for each other. Look up when you are in possessions and see where your team mates are.
Do not play heading tennis. When the ball bobs about in the air in the middle of the pitch do not get suckered into the belief that a telling and accurate pass can be made over distance by head. The best you will achieve is to keep the ball in the air and the worst is that you will give the opposition the chance to skewer you. Get the ball down to your feet and pass it quickly and accurately. If you can't do that get it down to the feet of one of your own players.
Run with the ball. Have the courage to make them try to take it off you. If you can run ten or twenty yards with the ball run ten or twenty yards with it, don't off load it while you have acres of space in front of you.
Finally stop playing this stupid 4-3-3 at home until we can play with more confidence and precision. Three strikers up front does not work, especially if those strikers are sadly out of form. Leave one of them out, probably Weimann and play an extra midfield. Three just get in each other's way. Keep a striker, a proper one, not Bowery, on the bench for impact.
Finally I would suggest that Lambert plays an unchanged side against Swansea to give the Palace losers a chance to redeem themselves.
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Looks like I chose a bad week to stop drinking coffee.
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Has that odorous little weasel Culverhouse apologised yet?
I doubt it'll happen. A public apology would only draw attention to an incident that most fans are probably unaware of.
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Sorry. As I was still travelling back to the Midlands yesterday and wasnt at the game I have no idea what Culverhouse did or why he did it.
Could someone enlighten me please?
Somebody who was actually at the game and witnessed this incident please.
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Looks like I chose a bad week to stop drinking coffee.
You'll also appreciate why going tea-total won't be one of my New Year's resolutions.
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Sorry. As I was still travelling back to the Midlands yesterday and wasnt at the game I have no idea what Culverhouse did or why he did it.
Could someone enlighten me please?
Somebody who was actually at the game and witnessed this incident please.
First hand accounts over on Vital Villa backed up by Jon Fear. Also reports that Culverhouse has "previous" in this department basically verbally using villa fans.
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Sorry. As I was still travelling back to the Midlands yesterday and wasnt at the game I have no idea what Culverhouse did or why he did it.
Could someone enlighten me please?
Somebody who was actually at the game and witnessed this incident please.
First hand accounts over on Vital Villa backed up by Jon Fear. Also reports that Culverhouse has "previous" in this department basically verbally using villa fans.
Thanks.
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Just looked at Fears rant. Crowd shout abuse at club staff .Club Staff tell them where to stick it. Been going on since time immemorial.
Never change. Fear thinks he is important. He isnt!
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It's all over twitter too, it's not just Fear.
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Calling a fan a "fucking moron" for being pissed off with yesterday, and indeed our home form overall this year, isn't acceptable.
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Three strikers up front does not work, especially if those strikers are sadly out of form. Leave one of them out, probably Weimann and play an extra midfield. Three just get in each other's way. Keep a striker, a proper one, not Bowery, on the bench for impact.
I still cant believe he took of Kozak for Bowery and left it the same . We needed another midfield in there to feed Kozak not replace Kozak with Bowery and play the same system. I was banging my head on the bottle of JD.
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Oh Its on Twitter. Well Im wrong . It must be important then.
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Sorry. As I was still travelling back to the Midlands yesterday and wasnt at the game I have no idea what Culverhouse did or why he did it.
Could someone enlighten me please?
Somebody who was actually at the game and witnessed this incident please.
called a fan a fucking moran after the fan said sort it out
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They let you take a bottle of JD in the ground? Feckers make me take the lid off a plastic bottle of pop!
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Sorry. As I was still travelling back to the Midlands yesterday and wasnt at the game I have no idea what Culverhouse did or why he did it.
Could someone enlighten me please?
Somebody who was actually at the game and witnessed this incident please.
called a fan a fucking moran after the fan said sort it out
Why did he liken him to Kevin Moran? And a fornicating Kevin Moran at that.
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They let you take a bottle of JD in the ground? Feckers make me take the lid off a plastic bottle of pop!
;)
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Did anyone see Bacuna try that WBA back pass again. Luckily nobody was on hand for them to convert.
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Calling a fan a "fucking moron" for being pissed off with yesterday, and indeed our home form overall this year, isn't acceptable.
I suppose said supporter was politely requesting a change in tactics etc.....
If you dish it out you've got to be able to take it back.
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There wasn't any swearing though, just comments like "sort it out" "it's not good enough" "do your job"... most people know you can't swear sitting behind the dugout as you'll get slung out.
All Culverhouse needed to do was give a nod of acknowledgment to the fans showing that the management know it's not right. Arguing, swearing and being aggressive back to fans is just as stupid as most of the other tactics they currently employ...
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Calling a fan a "fucking moron" for being pissed off with yesterday, and indeed our home form overall this year, isn't acceptable.
I suppose said supporter was politely requesting a change in tactics etc.....
If you dish it out you've got to be able to take it back.
If you serve up shit time and time again you've got to be able to take it when someone tells you. Not insult the person who is paying for your shit.
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Calling a fan a "fucking moron" for being pissed off with yesterday, and indeed our home form overall this year, isn't acceptable.
I suppose said supporter was politely requesting a change in tactics etc.....
If you dish it out you've got to be able to take it back.
If you serve up shit time and time again you've got to be able to take it when someone tells you. Not insult the person who is paying for your shit.
It looks bad, but there might be more to it than we see at the moment. Like with Wilshere's gesture - if they were having a go at his kids he can say whatever he likes back as far as I'm concerned.
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Calling a fan a "fucking moron" for being pissed off with yesterday, and indeed our home form overall this year, isn't acceptable.
I suppose said supporter was politely requesting a change in tactics etc.....
If you dish it out you've got to be able to take it back.
If you serve up shit time and time again you've got to be able to take it when someone tells you. Not insult the person who is paying for your shit.
It looks bad, but there might be more to it than we see at the moment. Like with Wilshere's gesture - if they were having a go at his kids he can say whatever he likes back as far as I'm concerned.
I fully agree. But there has not been even the slightest indication that the fan said anything unacceptable.
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Calling a fan a "fucking moron" for being pissed off with yesterday, and indeed our home form overall this year, isn't acceptable.
I suppose said supporter was politely requesting a change in tactics etc.....
If you dish it out you've got to be able to take it back.
If you serve up shit time and time again you've got to be able to take it when someone tells you. Not insult the person who is paying for your shit.
It looks bad, but there might be more to it than we see at the moment. Like with Wilshere's gesture - if they were having a go at his kids he can say whatever he likes back as far as I'm concerned.
I fully agree. But there has not been even the slightest indication that the fan said anything unacceptable.
I don't know, there's no indication of what the fan said at all, and it's entirely within the realms of possibility that they overstepped the mark.
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What i've read is the fan said something along the lines of "Fucking sort it out" now he may well have sworn a bit more, but I can't see how that can include anything of a personal nature regarding his family etc.
Of course I also accept that what i've read is incorrect as I was Lower North so nowhere near the incident. I just think that on a forum somewhere someone would have mentioned by now if the fan had been out of order with what they said.
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I didn't hear anything of a personal nature, all football related. They got a lot more at the final whistle, but they were hiding in the dugout at that point, so either didn't hear it or managed to ignore that time around.
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I didn't hear anything of a personal nature, all football related. They got a lot more at the final whistle, but they were hiding in the dugout at that point, so either didn't hear it or managed to ignore that time around.
Well fair enough, but until some really concrete facts are established I'd rather reserve judgement. However, I admit, it really doesn't look good.
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I remember a game against Ipswich, 00/01 when we got tickets by the dug out. We losing and someone shouted out "gotta get some fight into them John (Gregory)" His response?
"Fucking right and all"
I had a lot of respect for him that day, and we even went on to win the game 2-1
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The difference being that JG is Villa through and through and understands what the fans are going through, As for Culverhouse or Lambert for that matter they are just hired hands who should not bite the had that feeds them
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"Let's stop being so nice to Brad Guzan. His individual performances are good insofar as he is a shot stopper of quality but he must stop slowing down the play and hoofing the ball down the middle of the park. Roll it out. Throw it out. When a keeper has centre backs as young and as lacking in composure and confidence as Clark and Baker he knows they will take the soft option time and time again. The soft, easy option is the ball back to the keeper. WHAT THE KEEPER MUST NOT DO is hoof it way over the half way line where it becomes at the very best 50-50 ball and we come under pressure again. The ball back to the keeper is a legitimate pass only if the keeper makes a pass with it."
I HAVE to believe that he is coached to do this? Surely, he can see the futility of it, so why would it continue? Even if it *is* on Guzan, the manager needs to see the futility of it and tell Guzan to stop doing it. It goes back to the manager, in my opinion.
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Why are people leaping to Culverhouse's defence ? I've not seen an apology from the useless chav yet !!
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Trouble is none of the back four that played yesterday can pass to Villa players... the amount of time they give the ball away while under no pressure is terrible for premiership footballers...
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Why are people leaping to Culverhouse's defence ? I've not seen an apology from the useless chav yet !!
It doesn't look as if the incident is going to get big enough coverage outside of a couple of forums or twitter, for it to either be completely substantiated, or for Culverhouse to having to do anything about.
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cant wait for Suarez against Baker
Gerrard , Henderson and Coutinho against KEA and Westwood ;(
Surely you are not looking forward to that gleefully?
Anyway Baker knows how to stop him except it results in Gerrard scoring from a penalty!
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Interesting view pelty , I can only presume he doesn't maybe have enough confidence in the defence to expect them to pass without losing possession?
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Why are people leaping to Culverhouse's defence ? I've not seen an apology from the useless chav yet !!
It doesn't look as if the incident is going to get big enough coverage outside of a couple of forums or twitter, for it to either be completely substantiated, or for Culverhouse to having to do anything about.
He should. The team he is partly responsible is an absolute disgrace and he needs to be told that we won't accept it. I firmly believe that practically every other Prem club would have given him and Lambert their cards by now. We have been more than patient. Shape up or piss off.
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Finally I would suggest that Lambert plays an unchanged side against Swansea to give the Palace losers a chance to redeem themselves.
Brilliant post sums up all of mine and many other fans frustration who turn up at VP every other week.
And I like your suggestion on an unchanged team.
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Why are people leaping to Culverhouse's defence ? I've not seen an apology from the useless chav yet !!
It doesn't look as if the incident is going to get big enough coverage outside of a couple of forums or twitter, for it to either be completely substantiated, or for Culverhouse to having to do anything about.
He should. The team he is partly responsible is an absolute disgrace and he needs to be told that we won't accept it. I firmly believe that practically every other Prem club would have given him and Lambert their cards by now. We have been more than patient. Shape up or piss off.
Oh he definitely should, but I just can't see it becoming a story outside of say, here and a couple of other villa forums. It's hardly going to be reported on midlands today.
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Yesterday I watched a great game of football. Paget Rangers 9-0 Polesworth.
Did you lot enjoy your day as much as I did?
It's a bit unfortunate if you follow the Villa and Polesworth as well !
Shocked that you missed the visit of the mighty boro ;)
No trains. I don't drive to football unless I really have to.
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"Let's stop being so nice to Brad Guzan. His individual performances are good insofar as he is a shot stopper of quality but he must stop slowing down the play and hoofing the ball down the middle of the park. Roll it out. Throw it out. When a keeper has centre backs as young and as lacking in composure and confidence as Clark and Baker he knows they will take the soft option time and time again. The soft, easy option is the ball back to the keeper. WHAT THE KEEPER MUST NOT DO is hoof it way over the half way line where it becomes at the very best 50-50 ball and we come under pressure again. The ball back to the keeper is a legitimate pass only if the keeper makes a pass with it."
I HAVE to believe that he is coached to do this? Surely, he can see the futility of it, so why would it continue? Even if it *is* on Guzan, the manager needs to see the futility of it and tell Guzan to stop doing it. It goes back to the manager, in my opinion.
This is definitely a managerial change. We were playing it from the back last season but this one, it is always hoof up to Benteke/Kozak from a goal kick. Just one of many managerial decisions that is not doing him or the team any favours. The same with the throw-ins have to be made to either striker as well.
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Yesterday I watched a great game of football. Paget Rangers 9-0 Polesworth.
Did you lot enjoy your day as much as I did?
It's a bit unfortunate if you follow the Villa and Polesworth as well !
Shocked that you missed the visit of the mighty boro ;)
No trains. I don't drive to football unless I really have to.
Fair enough, draw seemed a decent enough result for both sides .
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Yesterday I watched a great game of football. Paget Rangers 9-0 Polesworth.
Did you lot enjoy your day as much as I did?
It's a bit unfortunate if you follow the Villa and Polesworth as well !
Shocked that you missed the visit of the mighty boro ;)
No trains. I don't drive to football unless I really have to.
Fair enough, draw seemed a decent enough result for both sides .
Two horrendous goalkeeping errors in a poor game from the reports I've seen.
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Yesterday I watched a great game of football. Paget Rangers 9-0 Polesworth.
Did you lot enjoy your day as much as I did?
It's a bit unfortunate if you follow the Villa and Polesworth as well !
Shocked that you missed the visit of the mighty boro ;)
No trains. I don't drive to football unless I really have to.
Fair enough, draw seemed a decent enough result for both sides .
Two horrendous goalkeeping errors in a poor game from the reports I've seen.
Quite, although I heard both keepers redeemed themselves later .
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The Culverhousegate has really angered me. Even mcleish and grant, bearing in mind the abuse they took were totally professional and never had a go back in public. They probably had more grounds to. Who the hell does this Culverhouse bloke think he is ? Can't wait til he's gone, he's a big part of the problem as whatever they do at BH all week must involve practicing 7 or 8 short 5 yard square balls in our own half before one of them launches 80 yards to nobody . Garbage.
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He's listed as Assistant Manager on Pravda.
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If Weimann really did put his finger to his lips as well, he'd better start pulling said finger out if his ample arse and doing something about this utter shit we are putting up with.
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If Weimann really did put his finger to his lips as well, he'd better start pulling said finger out if his ample arse and doing something about this utter shit we are putting up with.
Or better yet, go the whole hog and make a fist of it.
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It would fit I'm sure
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https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/143340eb8f373014
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https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/143340eb8f373014
You do know that we don't all have access to your email inbox Dan?
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https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/143340eb8f373014
I get a pretty picture of a flower.
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https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/143340eb8f373014
You do know that we don't all have access to your email inbox Dan?
Oh well. Nothing to hide in my box.
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From my viewpoint for the first 20 mins or so Guzan was playing it to feet the long punts up field started when he realized we were getting no where passing it about side to side at the back.
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https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/143340eb8f373014
You do know that we don't all have access to your email inbox Dan?
Oh well. Nothing to hide in my box.
However we need your gmail user name and password please?
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If Weimann really did put his finger to his lips as well, he'd better start pulling said finger out if his ample arse and doing something about this utter shit we are putting up with.
Without having to drag through the forum and find the post what the story with Weimann?
I'm in the lower North and and there was a point in the 2nd half where he just left a man he should have been tracking and looked totally disinterested. He got a lot stick from fans for that, but I didn't see any gesture from him at the time.
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https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/143340eb8f373014
That's not going to work, Dan.
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Dan Dan the IT man.
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Have you tried switching it off, and then back on again...?
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By Mike Walters | 27/12/13
Paul Lambert will face the music if Aston Villa come a cropper at home again and he is serenaded by more orchestral manoeuvres in the dark.
For the first time in his managerial career, Lambert is on the verge of a crisis with fans’ patience exhausted by a glut of dreadful home performances.
Villa were booed off after suffering a Boxing Day sucker punch in added time against struggling Crystal Palace – and the natives will be even more restless if they come unstuck against Swansea today.
Lambert’s job is NOT under imminent threat, but the facts read like a ransom note.
Villa have scored only six goals in nine home League games this season – half of them in one memorable fightback against Manchester City – the worst home scoring record in all four divisions.
They have lost four games on the bounce, last season’s talisman Christian Benteke is injured, they have failed to score in five of the last six at Villa Park and Lambert’s cushion against the drop zone is down to three points.
Twelve months ago, when Villa shipped 15 goals without reply in a bleak festive programme against Chelsea, Tottenham and Wigan, Lambert – assembling a young side – was cut some slack on the basis of his squad’s inexperience. But patience is wearing thin because early-season optimism, generated by a startling win at Arsenal, has evaporated amid a series of moribund displays at home, culminating in Lambert’s painful Boxing Day concerto from his flock.
Lambo said: “It’s a challenge and I’m not going to duck it.
“We are doing everything we can to keep building on last season, but we are a million miles short of what we are trying to do with the club.
“I’ve never wilted in the face of a challenge – you fight it, you don’t wilt or run away from it.
“There is so much pressure in football these days that if you haven’t won in two games, there’s a crisis. It seems to be getting shorter and shorter, and Swansea are on that same kind of run.
“I played with some big clubs as a footballer – I was not exempt from criticism then, and I’m not exempt from it now. I can remember my first few games at Celtic – I lost them and people were saying, ‘Go back to Dortmund, not good enough’ until I bedded myself in and got a grip of it.
“We can’t turn round and be critical of the crowd. They give us energy when we win, so they are entitled to voice an opinion when we lose. You have to be big enough to take it and you see it through.
“Some people talk about bravery as being going in for a tackle that’s 10ft high or blood, guts and thunder – but real bravery in football is taking the ball in front of 40,000 fans in an area where others would shy away from it.
“As long as these players don’t try to hide and run away, then I’ll never criticise them for trying to do the right things.
Goalkeeper Brad Guzan, who had denied Palace with three excellent saves before substitute Dwight Gayle’s stoppage-time bolt from the blue sent Villa fans into open revolt, warned Swansea’s visit was a game for “big characters” with a burning desire to atone for Boxing Day’s horror show.
Guzan has been a safe pair of hands for Lambert in more senses than one, consistent on the pitch and a reliable ambassador when a voice from the dressing room is required to articulate the party line.
The American keeper admitted: “We have to put this behind us and find a way to get a result against Swansea.
“There’s a determination that we want to make things right and do it for ourselves and for the fans. We sense that ability to go and get a result, and there is no doubt in my mind we will have a response.
“Yes, we are going through a bad run of results, but that doesn’t make us a bad team.
“We are still the same team that won away at the Emirates (on the season’s opening day) and have picked up other positive results along the way.
“Let’s dust ourselves down, go again and find a way to get a win – but it’s never an easy task, which is the beauty of the Premier League, and it’s going to take some big characters to step on to the pitch and find a way to get a result.
“It’s not the way we wanted to finish the Palace game and not the result we wanted, but the good thing about the Christmas period is that we can turn it around quickly because the games come thick and fast.”