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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on December 03, 2013, 05:27:37 PM
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Villa are consulting with West Midlands Police over a pyrotechnics amnesty ahead of the Club's next home game against Manchester United.
The Club will encourage any supporters in possession of flares, smoke bombs and other pyrotechnic devices to hand these over anonymously and safely in order to protect themselves and fellow fans from the extreme dangers that pyros present.
John Handley, Villa's Head of Security, said: "We have been in discussions with West Midlands Police and are working towards an amnesty ahead of our next home game.
"On the broader front, we're trying to emphasise the dangers and anti-social nature associated with these devices.
"Pyrotechnics do not enhance the experience or excitement of a football game - they do precisely the opposite and, in fact, can do real harm."
Research conducted by the Premier League, Football League and The FA established that one third of fans attending Premier League games have been affected by pyrotechnics while 78% of fans are demanding more action against pyro users.
The use of pyrotechnics is a relatively new phenomenon in English football, as opposed to continental Europe where the issue has been much more prevalent for many years. But it is a rising issue for the game in this country.
During the 2010-11 season there were just eight incidents across the Premier League, Football League and Football Conference as well as domestic cup competitions. In 2011-12 instances increased to 72 and last season there was a exponential rise to 172 reported cases. To the end of October 2013 alone there have been 96 separate incidents.
Cathy Long, Head of Supporter Services at the Premier League, said: "We have launched an education campaign because we want fans to be fully aware of the dangers of pyrotechnics and to realise the harm they can cause to other supporters.
"Pyrotechnics are not innocent fun, they can be very dangerous and there are victims.
"Fans, club staff and match officials have already been injured, some of them severely, and supporters who bring them are doing so illegally and can face jail and long bans. We don't want that, we just want everyone to be safe and able to still come to the game."
It is illegal to enter a football ground with a pyro and supporters risk jail and banning orders for being in possession of one.
Flares are used for marine distress and are designed not to be extinguished easily or quickly. They contain chemicals and burn at temperatures of 1600°C, the melting point of steel. Smoke bombs are mainly used recreationally in paintballing and war games, but these also burn at high temperatures and are designed to be used in wide open spaces. They are dangerous for those with asthma or breathing difficulties and can cause panic in a tightly-packed crowd. They are not designed for use in confined spaces and it is illegal to to be in possession of a smoke bomb and to enter a football stadium.
Policing Minister Damian Green said: "Football fans might see images of football grounds in other parts of Europe full of smoke and light caused by pyrotechnic devices and think that they create a good atmosphere — but they do not.
"Flares are very dangerous and can cause severe injuries. We are very lucky that no one has been seriously injured or killed by a flare here for a long time.
"This campaign clearly sets out the dangers of flares and smoke bombs. I want to see the courts taking this problem seriously and dealing in the strongest way possible with fans who still illegally smuggle pyrotechnics into football grounds."
Alan Weir, Head of Medical Services at St John Ambulance said: "We know that St John Ambulance volunteers have treated people for burns and smoke inhalation caused by flares at several football grounds.
"These cases could have led to disfigurement or other serious injuries, so we're advising fans to seek prompt emergency help should they come into contact with a flare to help prevent their injuries from getting worse.
"Our volunteers are trained and equipped with life-saving skills to help those who need it. We urge fans to stop using flares and think about the safety of those around them."
Amanda Jacks, Caseworker at The Football Supporters' Federation said: "Whether it's down to concerns around injury, or issues with smoke blocking their view, the survey results indicate that a clear majority of fans oppose the use of pyro inside stadiums. This tallies with anecdotal feedback from members.
"Despite this, the use of pyrotechnics does seem to have been on the rise lately, particularly among those fans who see it as a way to improve the atmosphere. However, we would strongly advise against supporters taking flares or smoke bombs into stadiums.
"Putting aside arguments over rights and wrongs the simple fact is it's against the law and could be an inadvertent danger to other fans.
"Use pyro in stadiums and there's a good chance you'll be caught, get a criminal record, and long-term football banning order. You might even go to jail.
"Over the past few years we've spoken to lots of fans who've used pyro in grounds without realising the severity with which the law will come down on them. Is it really worth it?"
The Club would remind fans that anyone found in possession of pyro devices on entering Villa Park will be arrested, causing injury to fellow fans by using these devices could result in a custodial sentence and life bans are almost certain to ensue.
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This was discussed on Sky news this morning. Eamonn Holmes came across as plastic as ever with his views, and the two examples they kept showing were the Spurs smoke bomb and the flare tennis at the Sty.
And Smoke Bombs & Flares would be a great band name.
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Lightweights - Millwall lobbed a hand grenade on the pitch in the 60's - a dud like but caused a stir I bet! ;-)
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Cathy Long, Head of Supporter Services at the Premier League, said: "We have launched an education campaign because we want fans to be fully aware of the dangers of pyrotechnics and to realise the harm they can cause to other supporters.
"Pyrotechnics are not innocent fun, they can be very dangerous and there are victims.
She's right there, I almost lost a flare up my arse trying to smuggle it to Slavia Prague . Very painful.
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95% of instances of pyro we're seeing on these shores are purely smoke bombs so why is the article focusing on the dangers of flares?
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95% of instances of pyro we're seeing on these shores are purely smoke bombs so why is the article focusing on the dangers of flares?
It isn't. They use the term pyrotechnics which covers flares and smoke bombs.
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This thread wont get two pages before the first reference to 70's clothing.
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I note the views of that tit Damian Green in the initial post. I have always hated the cobblers he posts on here so it should be no surprise.
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I wonder if Cathy Longs "Education Campaign" will be informing the media, who have created a moral panic around pyro, the difference between a smoke bomb and a flare? The level of ignorance in the press would be astounding if it weren't the British press who were showing it.
Even in this article there are some huge inaccuracies, smoke bombs do not burn at high temperatures, they burn cold and are non toxic.
There's an interesting article from the other side of the discussion here ukultrascene.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://ukultrascene.blogspot.co.uk/)
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· Create an area of the stadium, perhaps one block or two, where pyrotechnics are ‘tolerated’. This means that fans that buy tickets in this area are made fully aware of the risks and the club will not be held accountable for any injury that occurs (should there be any, highly unlikely however). This solution should at least be tried on a trial basis.
· Anyone who is in this area agrees not to throw any pyrotechnics on to the pitch or at anyone else in the stadium. If this occurs, they should be liable to prosecution.
Is it April 1st already? We could have a bottle throwing area as well.
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Does make a show though, even if it is dangerous.
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Is it April 1st already? We could have a bottle throwing area as well.
Millwall already have one.
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God forbid that we are ever allowed to get some sort of atmosphere back into our sterile sit down or thrown out stadia.
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God forbid that we are ever allowed to get some sort of atmosphere back into our sterile sit down or thrown out stadia.
We used to be quite happy throwing bog rolls.
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God forbid that we are ever allowed to get some sort of atmosphere back into our sterile sit down or thrown out stadia.
We used to be quite happy throwing bog rolls.
That was when bog rolls were cheaper than flares 8) 8)
I have clicked the "Like" option but there are serious Health and Safety issues involved with flares and smoke bombs, very aware of them.
I do think that the Ultra movement from clubs abroad gives games a certain edge, but they do become a law unto themselves and that is a problem.
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A bog roll properly thrown down a terrace or unrolled from the window of a Football Special was a great sight, particularly if you were the person who let it go.
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Not denying that the good old bog roll days were fun, they were, but i do like the flares, especially after dark.
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Bog rolls in the dark are rubbish !
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I like them, then again from my seat I can enjoy the spectacle without fear of third degree burns.
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Our grounds are much safer than a lot of other countries grounds, particularly those in South America which are bloody dangerous.
A lot of the banners that are unraveled or hung around stadia in other countries are also carrying political slogans. Some areas of grounds are pretty much no go zones for police and become totally lawless, hence the flares and smoke bombs. Not really a family atmosphere in those areas. A good atmosphere but not a safe one.
I wouldn't be to comfortable for an area inside any ground at home to become totally lawless. Banners and flags, like the Brigada have really bring a better atmosphere to games and should be encouraged as should Amfy's safe standing trial. Then we would have a fantastic atmosphere back in our grounds.
Flares would be good but only if done by Pyrotechnic experts in safe areas around the pitch. Don't want to see any injuries to supporters because some idiot has thrown a flare into a crowded stand.
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Can we not forget that flares/smoke bombs can cause lung problems if inhaled. Any 'safe' area is not necessarily going to prevent inhalation.
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I know we are only talking Manchester and not Milan but will there be an amnesty for supporters turning up at the game with scooters?
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Pyro has recently been legalised in Norway following prolonged discussions between fan groups and clubs, contrast that witht he UK where police are receiving money to hand out extended banning orders.
Fans must apply to the club to let off flares, smokes and Stroboscobes. I'm presuming that only trusted fans are able to do this.
http://m.ultras-tifo.net/photo-news/1993-stromsgodset-start-27102013.html (http://m.ultras-tifo.net/photo-news/1993-stromsgodset-start-27102013.html)
There has been talk about the effects of inhaling smoke, obviously inhaling smoke isn't a good idea, however smoke bombs are non toxic and providing you aren't stood directly above one I wouldn't have thought they're any more harmful than walking down the Soho Road on a busy day.
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Pyro has recently been legalised in Norway following prolonged discussions between fan groups and clubs, contrast that witht he UK where police are receiving money to hand out extended banning orders.
Fans must apply to the club to let off flares, smokes and Stroboscobes. I'm presuming that only trusted fans are able to do this.
http://m.ultras-tifo.net/photo-news/1993-stromsgodset-start-27102013.html (http://m.ultras-tifo.net/photo-news/1993-stromsgodset-start-27102013.html)
There has been talk about the effects of inhaling smoke, obviously inhaling smoke isn't a good idea, however smoke bombs are non toxic and providing you aren't stood directly above one I wouldn't have thought they're any more harmful than walking down the Soho Road on a busy day.
Last bonfire night some dickhead let a smoke bomb off near me and I realised that the shit spewing out of it was definitely not fresh air as I couldn't fucking breathe (i'm mildly asthmatic).
I also fail to see how not being able to see the fucking pitch due to being in the middle of a smokescreen "improves the atmosphere" in any way shape or form.
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I also fail to see how not being able to see the fucking pitch due to being in the middle of a smokescreen "improves the atmosphere" in any way shape or form
Half way through the West Ham game the other week I'd have taken temporary blindness over having to watch the shite being served up on the pitch.
Talking of West Ham - didn't Newcatsle fans chuck a proper fire bomb into their end once?
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A bog roll properly thrown down a terrace or unrolled from the window of a Football Special was a great sight, particularly if you were the person who let it go.
I do hope you compensated pauline for the loss of household materials ;)
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/my-life-as-a-child-flare-mule-2-2013120681802 (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/my-life-as-a-child-flare-mule-2-2013120681802)
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God forbid that we are ever allowed to get some sort of atmosphere back into our sterile sit down or thrown out stadia.
You don't ne
Cathy Long, Head of Supporter Services at the Premier League, said: "We have launched an education campaign because we want fans to be fully aware of the dangers of pyrotechnics and to realise the harm they can cause to other supporters.
"Pyrotechnics are not innocent fun, they can be very dangerous and there are victims.
She's right there, I almost lost a flare up my arse trying to smuggle it to Slavia Prague . Very painful.
I nearly left Prague with the match ball. Then some arse ripped it out my hands and threw it around because they thought the stewards were trying to get it back. They just wanted me to put out my fag (I thought it was allowed). Bad times. Bally would have had a great night in the strip club with us.
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People should think about the Bradford fire before wasting their time trying to justify bringing these things into football grounds.
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Green Brigade (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25293305)
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People should think about the Bradford fire before wasting their time trying to justify bringing these things into football grounds.
How many stands these days are made of wood with decades of rubbish accumulated undreneath?
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The smoke-flare at the Baggies was thrown over my head and landed two rows in front. It was a very unpleasant experience. We'll done to the steward who dealt with it promptly.
I'd be in favour of bans for anyone found carrying such things into a ground.
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People should think about the Bradford fire before wasting their time trying to justify bringing these things into football grounds.
How many stands these days are made of wood with decades of rubbish accumulated undreneath?
Not many but Bradford City were hardly a club in the limelight at the time. A tragedy, similarly caused, took place at Kings Cross Underground Station. Because we are nearly always at grounds with new stands, we may forget old stands still exist but they do. The Fire Service would not differentiate between new and old anyway. The dangers have been explained regarding smoke inhalation and it does not need an inferno to cause that.
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People should think about the Bradford fire before wasting their time trying to justify bringing these things into football grounds.
How many stands these days are made of wood with decades of rubbish accumulated undreneath?
Not many but Bradford City were hardly a club in the limelight at the time. A tragedy, similarly caused, took place at Kings Cross Underground Station. Because we are nearly always at grounds with new stands, we may forget old stands still exist but they do. The Fire Service would not differentiate between new and old anyway. The dangers have been explained regarding smoke inhalation and it does not need an inferno to cause that.
I hate incendiaries, good post DC5
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West Midlands Police have given West Bromwich Albion supporters special dispensation to use yacht flares at their home games. A spokesman said that they should only be used when people are in distress, they've hit the rocks and are in danger of going down and sinking without a trace.
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West Midlands Police have given West Bromwich Albion supporters special dispensation to use yacht flares at their home games. A spokesman said that they should only be used when people are in distress, they've hit the rocks and are in danger of going down and sinking without a trace.
Brilliant.
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A smoke bomb isn’t actually alight though is it? Isn’t it just expending the gas contained within the canister?
I don’t think comparisons with the Bradford fire are relevant, as I recall hearing that parts of the Telegraph and Argus newspaper from 1968 had been found after and I cannot think of a similar ground in the top flight beyond Everton where there is anything remotely combustible.
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West Midlands Police have given West Bromwich Albion supporters special dispensation to use yacht flares at their home games. A spokesman said that they should only be used when people are in distress, they've hit the rocks and are in danger of going down and sinking without a trace.
Brilliant.
may I steal this please ? cheers Mrs Slag
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A smoke bomb isn’t actually alight though is it? Isn’t it just expending the gas contained within the canister?
I don’t think comparisons with the Bradford fire are relevant, as I recall hearing that parts of the Telegraph and Argus newspaper from 1968 had been found after and I cannot think of a similar ground in the top flight beyond Everton where there is anything remotely combustible.
Thank fuck scousers don't wear shell suits anymore.
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I don’t think comparisons with the Bradford fire are relevant, as I recall hearing that parts of the Telegraph and Argus newspaper from 1968 had been found after and I cannot think of a similar ground in the top flight beyond Everton where there is anything remotely combustible.
The stand I was in at Craven Cottage yesterday (the one to your right as you look at the pitch from the away end) has wooden staircases, floorboards and seats. It felt a bit like the old Trinity Road stand, albeit on a less grand scale.
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A smoke bomb isn’t actually alight though is it? Isn’t it just expending the gas contained within the canister?
I don’t think comparisons with the Bradford fire are relevant, as I recall hearing that parts of the Telegraph and Argus newspaper from 1968 had been found after and I cannot think of a similar ground in the top flight beyond Everton where there is anything remotely combustible.
Coming from a safety critical environment as I do, you try to close down opportunities for anything unsafe to happen. In the case of smoke bombs and flares, no consideration would be given to differentiate between smoke bombs and flares. They both have the ability to cause harm.
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he stand I was in at Craven Cottage yesterday (the one to your right as you look at the pitch from the away end) has wooden staircases, floorboards and seats. It felt a bit like the old Trinity Road stand, albeit on a less grand scale
It's no coincidence
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A smoke bomb isn’t actually alight though is it? Isn’t it just expending the gas contained within the canister?
I don’t think comparisons with the Bradford fire are relevant, as I recall hearing that parts of the Telegraph and Argus newspaper from 1968 had been found after and I cannot think of a similar ground in the top flight beyond Everton where there is anything remotely combustible.
Coming from a safety critical environment as I do, you try to close down opportunities for anything unsafe to happen. In the case of smoke bombs and flares, no consideration would be given to differentiate between smoke bombs and flares. They both have the ability to cause harm.
Many activities have the ability to cause harm but are tolerated, surely you have to measure the extent of the risk? Playing contact sport carries a higher degree of risk than non toxic smoke being expelled from a canister.
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A smoke bomb isn’t actually alight though is it? Isn’t it just expending the gas contained within the canister?
I don’t think comparisons with the Bradford fire are relevant, as I recall hearing that parts of the Telegraph and Argus newspaper from 1968 had been found after and I cannot think of a similar ground in the top flight beyond Everton where there is anything remotely combustible.
Coming from a safety critical environment as I do, you try to close down opportunities for anything unsafe to happen. In the case of smoke bombs and flares, no consideration would be given to differentiate between smoke bombs and flares. They both have the ability to cause harm.
Many activities have the ability to cause harm but are tolerated, surely you have to measure the extent of the risk? Playing contact sport carries a higher degree of risk than non toxic smoke being expelled from a canister.
Why should the Police spend time determining if it is a smoke bomb or a flare? Besides, the smoke can be harmful and has been proved to be as such.
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A smoke bomb isn’t actually alight though is it? Isn’t it just expending the gas contained within the canister?
I don’t think comparisons with the Bradford fire are relevant, as I recall hearing that parts of the Telegraph and Argus newspaper from 1968 had been found after and I cannot think of a similar ground in the top flight beyond Everton where there is anything remotely combustible.
Coming from a safety critical environment as I do, you try to close down opportunities for anything unsafe to happen. In the case of smoke bombs and flares, no consideration would be given to differentiate between smoke bombs and flares. They both have the ability to cause harm.
Many activities have the ability to cause harm but are tolerated, surely you have to measure the extent of the risk? Playing contact sport carries a higher degree of risk than non toxic smoke being expelled from a canister.
You choose to play sport.
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West Midlands Police have given West Bromwich Albion supporters special dispensation to use yacht flares at their home games. A spokesman said that they should only be used when people are in distress, they've hit the rocks and are in danger of going down and sinking without a trace.
Brilliant.
may I steal this please ? cheers Mrs Slag
Me too, please Hilda?.
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From the OS:
Use of Pyrotechnics
There has, of late, been a noticeable rise in the number of fans of all teams bringing flares and smoke devices (pyrotechnics) to football matches.
These can be dangerous and offensive to fellow supporters and also a criminal offence.
Their use is deplored by all within the game including the Premier League and the Football Supporters Federation.
Any person found either in or trying to enter a football stadium with any form of pyrotechnic will be arrested, will face criminal charges and will be banned either by a court or this club from attending football matches.
At all times, please remember that your support of your club should never discredit that club.
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A smoke bomb isn’t actually alight though is it? Isn’t it just expending the gas contained within the canister?
I don’t think comparisons with the Bradford fire are relevant, as I recall hearing that parts of the Telegraph and Argus newspaper from 1968 had been found after and I cannot think of a similar ground in the top flight beyond Everton where there is anything remotely combustible.
Coming from a safety critical environment as I do, you try to close down opportunities for anything unsafe to happen. In the case of smoke bombs and flares, no consideration would be given to differentiate between smoke bombs and flares. They both have the ability to cause harm.
Many activities have the ability to cause harm but are tolerated, surely you have to measure the extent of the risk? Playing contact sport carries a higher degree of risk than non toxic smoke being expelled from a canister.
Why should the Police spend time determining if it is a smoke bomb or a flare? Besides, the smoke can be harmful and has been proved to be as such.
I doubt some of the police down Villa have the mental faculties to make such a basic assessment.
The smoke can be harmful if inhaled by people with respiratory problems, the best idea would be to have a section of grounds where people who want to use smokes can do so. Secondary smoke from cigarettes is said to cause cancer, we have set areas for people to smoke at Villa Park, granted smoke travels but the smoke contained in smoke bombs is non-toxic, unlike those in cigarettes, i'd imagine that any negative affect to those who may be susceptible to it only really applies if you're stood directly next to a smoke that goes off.
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As far as I know there is one designated smoking area. Upper Holte on the outside balcony. Everyone out there chooses to be out with the smokers. Even if there was a designated smoke bomb area it will affect people not in that area.
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I see the Club have issued a letter on the subject with the Stoke tickets.
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I guess the stewards down the Villa wouldn't want to have us recreate the Aris Thessaloniki welcome for Boca Juniors then...Things start to hot up on 50 seconds when the teams come out.
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A smoke bomb isn’t actually alight though is it? Isn’t it just expending the gas contained within the canister?
I don’t think comparisons with the Bradford fire are relevant, as I recall hearing that parts of the Telegraph and Argus newspaper from 1968 had been found after and I cannot think of a similar ground in the top flight beyond Everton where there is anything remotely combustible.
Coming from a safety critical environment as I do, you try to close down opportunities for anything unsafe to happen. In the case of smoke bombs and flares, no consideration would be given to differentiate between smoke bombs and flares. They both have the ability to cause harm.
Many activities have the ability to cause harm but are tolerated, surely you have to measure the extent of the risk? Playing contact sport carries a higher degree of risk than non toxic smoke being expelled from a canister.
Why should the Police spend time determining if it is a smoke bomb or a flare? Besides, the smoke can be harmful and has been proved to be as such.
I doubt some of the police down Villa have the mental faculties to make such a basic assessment.
The smoke can be harmful if inhaled by people with respiratory problems, the best idea would be to have a section of grounds where people who want to use smokes can do so. Secondary smoke from cigarettes is said to cause cancer, we have set areas for people to smoke at Villa Park, granted smoke travels but the smoke contained in smoke bombs is non-toxic, unlike those in cigarettes, i'd imagine that any negative affect to those who may be susceptible to it only really applies if you're stood directly next to a smoke that goes off.
I know the football is bad at Villa Park, but i'm surprised you want an area where you can keep on setting off smoke bombs so you don't have to see the pitch.
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I guess the stewards down the Villa wouldn't want to have us recreate the Aris Thessaloniki welcome for Boca Juniors then...Things start to hot up on 50 seconds when the teams come out.
Now that is some atmosphere, never to be re-created in a British stadium.
I am sure i spotted Danny Dyer hiding in a corner shitting himself.
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I guess the stewards down the Villa wouldn't want to have us recreate the Aris Thessaloniki welcome for Boca Juniors then...Things start to hot up on 50 seconds when the teams come out.
Now that is some atmosphere, never to be re-created in a British stadium.
I am sure i spotted Danny Dyer hiding in a corner shitting himself.
Imagine it at Villa Park. Mad firework (pyro) display for 5 minutes then near silence for the rest of the game.
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A smoke bomb isn’t actually alight though is it? Isn’t it just expending the gas contained within the canister?
I don’t think comparisons with the Bradford fire are relevant, as I recall hearing that parts of the Telegraph and Argus newspaper from 1968 had been found after and I cannot think of a similar ground in the top flight beyond Everton where there is anything remotely combustible.
Coming from a safety critical environment as I do, you try to close down opportunities for anything unsafe to happen. In the case of smoke bombs and flares, no consideration would be given to differentiate between smoke bombs and flares. They both have the ability to cause harm.
Many activities have the ability to cause harm but are tolerated, surely you have to measure the extent of the risk? Playing contact sport carries a higher degree of risk than non toxic smoke being expelled from a canister.
Why should the Police spend time determining if it is a smoke bomb or a flare? Besides, the smoke can be harmful and has been proved to be as such.
I doubt some of the police down Villa have the mental faculties to make such a basic assessment.
The smoke can be harmful if inhaled by people with respiratory problems, the best idea would be to have a section of grounds where people who want to use smokes can do so. Secondary smoke from cigarettes is said to cause cancer, we have set areas for people to smoke at Villa Park, granted smoke travels but the smoke contained in smoke bombs is non-toxic, unlike those in cigarettes, i'd imagine that any negative affect to those who may be susceptible to it only really applies if you're stood directly next to a smoke that goes off.
I know the football is bad at Villa Park, but i'm surprised you want an area where you can keep on setting off smoke bombs so you don't have to see the pitch.
I've never known a pyro display go on all game, they tend to be at the start of games before the game kicks off or when a goal is scored, I think it would cost far too much money to provide a smokescreen that covers a full 90 minutes of sideways passing. Sorry for the incovenience ;)
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Never been a fan of flares always thought they were a bit of a fashion disaster,
Am still lead to believe that they're still der-rigure in Chesterfield though :)
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Hey, don't you knock Chezz Vegas, mate!
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Well done to whichever bellends lit at least two smoke bombs at Stoke today and then just dropped them.
I nearly choked to death.
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Well done to whichever bellends lit at least two smoke bombs at Stoke today and then just dropped them.
I nearly choked to death.
Are you sure they were smoke bombs because according to our resident expert, they are fine to use and cause no issues at all if they are harmless smoke bombs.
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Well done to whichever bellends lit at least two smoke bombs at Stoke today and then just dropped them.
I nearly choked to death.
Are you sure they were smoke bombs because according to our resident expert, they are fine to use and cause no issues at all if they are harmless smoke bombs.
Maybe the club should start handing the fucking things out as we walk into the ground.
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Well done to whichever bellends lit at least two smoke bombs at Stoke today and then just dropped them.
I nearly choked to death.
I thought I saw the after effects of one before kick off. Didn't see anything during game, which is just as well as I'm dead set against them because of the health issues.
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Well done to whichever bellends lit at least two smoke bombs at Stoke today and then just dropped them.
I nearly choked to death.
I thought I saw the after effects of one before kick off. Didn't see anything during game, which is just as well as I'm dead set against them because of the health issues.
Yeah they were set off as the players were walking out.
I just don't get it. I would've thought the fun of having a flare or smoke bomb would be holding it aloft as it burns but the people who bring them to games obviously have just enough common sense to know that that's a sure fire way of getting a banning order so just drop them.
But if you just drop them there's no fun surely?!
I just don't get it.
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Well done to whichever bellends lit at least two smoke bombs at Stoke today and then just dropped them.
I nearly choked to death.
I thought I saw the after effects of one before kick off. Didn't see anything during game, which is just as well as I'm dead set against them because of the health issues.
Yeah they were set off as the players were walking out.
I just don't get it. I would've thought the fun of having a flare or smoke bomb would be holding it aloft as it burns but the people who bring them to games obviously have just enough common sense to know that that's a sure fire way of getting a banning order so just drop them.
But if you just drop them there's no fun surely?!
I just don't get it.
I don't either, ad@m.
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Well done to whichever bellends lit at least two smoke bombs at Stoke today and then just dropped them.
I nearly choked to death.
I thought I saw the after effects of one before kick off. Didn't see anything during game, which is just as well as I'm dead set against them because of the health issues.
Yeah they were set off as the players were walking out.
I just don't get it. I would've thought the fun of having a flare or smoke bomb would be holding it aloft as it burns but the people who bring them to games obviously have just enough common sense to know that that's a sure fire way of getting a banning order so just drop them.
But if you just drop them there's no fun surely?!
I just don't get it.
I don't either, ad@m.
If you lived in an area where da yutes put incendiary devices into post boxes, you would not bother trying to understand.