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Title: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on September 22, 2013, 02:03:27 PM: Tuesday 24.9.13 7.45pm KO

2-0 home win

Weimann 24
Tonev 54 (stop laughing at the back)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on September 22, 2013, 02:11:38 PM: Does the 54 stand for the average amount of yards Tonev will shoot from? Or the number of mishit shots? He's gotta be better than he showed second half v Norwich so I'm still optimistic he'll be the player we all hope.

I think we'll win this one.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on September 22, 2013, 02:23:18 PM: 2-1 Spurs with Kozak scoring for us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Irish villain on September 22, 2013, 02:25:51 PM: Quote from: Legion on September 22, 2013, 02:03:27 PM
Tuesday 24.9.13 7.45pm KO

2-0 home win

Weimann 24
Tonev 54 (stop laughing at the back)

The law of averages would suggest Tonev is bound to score eventually if he keeps shooting at that rate.

However, the accuracy of his shots yesterday would suggest the law of averages is seriously flawed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on September 22, 2013, 02:49:17 PM: Tonev's shooting is a worry. The Guardian minute by minute report called him a clown for the one in the second half where he had a man free on the right. I wouldn't mind if they were any good but they're mostly hopeless! Let's hope he's not always like this! Maybe he's playing to instruction!

For Tuesday, I think Tottenham's squad strength will be too much for a weakened villa side, given the injuries and knocks we're carrying. They could bring in Defoe, Chadli, Lamela, Holtby, Friedel, Sandro, Naughton, Kaboul and still have a much better side than us.

Interested to see how Lambert plays. Suspect those carrying knocks like Delph wouldn't be risked if they continue to have fitness doubts.

Maybe something like:

Steer - Lowton Vlaar Baker Bennett - KEA Sylla - Tonev Bacuna Weimann - Kozak
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paulcomben on September 22, 2013, 03:15:12 PM: Quote from: Rigadon on September 22, 2013, 02:11:38 PM
Does the 54 stand for the average amount of yards Tonev will shoot from? Or the number of mishit shots? He's gotta be better than he showed second half v Norwich so I'm still optimistic he'll be the player we all hope.

I think we'll win this one.

It's the seat number in the back row that he is aiming to hit.

Last season's league cup run came from impressive away wins. Since we cannot break down good teams at home, it may be better to rotate the squad. Lambo dropped a hint yesterday when he said that the PL is paramount. And none of us can face a 4th successive relegation battle. Then again, this is always our only real chance of silverware.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on September 22, 2013, 04:08:58 PM: I'd shamelessly prioritise the league I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 22, 2013, 04:27:27 PM: Comfortable 3-1

Agbonlahor
Helenius
Vlaar
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 22, 2013, 04:34:35 PM: No idea what team Spurs will put out for this one.

No idea with injuries what team we will put out for this one.

I have a feeling this will go all the way to penalties, it's been a while since we've been involved in a shoot out anyway.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 22, 2013, 04:42:33 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on September 22, 2013, 04:34:35 PM
No idea what team Spurs will put out for this one.

No idea with injuries what team we will put out for this one.

I have a feeling this will go all the way to penalties, it's been a while since we've been involved in a shoot out anyway.

Correct me if I'm wrong but we've never lost one at home and we've never won one away.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on September 22, 2013, 05:17:01 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on September 22, 2013, 04:08:58 PM
I'd shamelessly prioritise the league I'm afraid.

This is the League Cup and we are Aston Villa.

Winners 1961, 1975, 1977, 1994, 1996
Runners Up 1963, 1971, 2010
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 22, 2013, 05:34:26 PM: We won on penalties at Sunderland in the League Cup.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Witton Warrior on September 22, 2013, 05:44:59 PM: Have a feeling this could be a late night with us winning with a Luna penalty 10-9
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on September 22, 2013, 05:48:33 PM: 2-0. Tonev with two tap-ins.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 22, 2013, 05:58:22 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 22, 2013, 04:42:33 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on September 22, 2013, 04:34:35 PM
No idea what team Spurs will put out for this one.

No idea with injuries what team we will put out for this one.

I have a feeling this will go all the way to penalties, it's been a while since we've been involved in a shoot out anyway.

Correct me if I'm wrong but we've never lost one at home and we've never won one away.

Sunderland away was fun
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 22, 2013, 06:10:51 PM: Just looking at the Spurs team today....Defoe wasn't in the 18, dunno if he's injured but I imagine he'll start if he's fit. Whatever midfield 5 they put out will probably be good and would imagine the likes of Friedel and Kaboul will get starts at the back.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2013, 06:11:36 PM: Us 2 Them 1.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on September 22, 2013, 06:12:07 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on September 22, 2013, 05:34:26 PM
We won on penalties at Sunderland in the League Cup.

Also won the 2009 Peace Cup on pens against Juventus.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on September 22, 2013, 06:12:13 PM: Looking forward to seeing Big Brad back at VP.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Left Side on September 22, 2013, 06:12:36 PM: 2-1 Villa AET for me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: l_mckay on September 22, 2013, 07:20:28 PM: 2-1 villa win I think
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Shrek on September 22, 2013, 07:53:54 PM: Put Tonev in the bomb squad and play Albrighton, couldnt be any worse?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on September 22, 2013, 07:58:10 PM: Give the bloke a chance. He's only just signed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 22, 2013, 07:59:45 PM: Quote from: Legion on September 22, 2013, 07:58:10 PM
Give the bloke a chance. He's only just signed.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: kipeye on September 22, 2013, 08:35:21 PM: I think it was encouraging to see Tonev shooting at every opportunity. When he scores one, I am sure it will settle him down. Our problem has been lack of goals from midfield, can't blame him for trying.
No idea about the result against Spuds. Could be absolutely anything. :o
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on September 22, 2013, 09:41:06 PM: I think Spuds will win after 90 minutes, we just aren't strong enough at home.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 22, 2013, 10:52:11 PM: Any win. Just any win. If the winner comes off the refs arse I'll take it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Louzie0 on September 22, 2013, 10:58:21 PM: Quote from: Legion on September 22, 2013, 06:12:13 PM
Looking forward to seeing Big Brad back at VP.
Always a gent.

Our Brad will beat him, though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on September 22, 2013, 11:10:12 PM: Having watched spurs and man city today I may avoid football for the next week or so. Teywere both absolutely awesome. We've got spurs and Everton coming up at home in the league too

Tourist start to a season I can remember. Don't think there'll be too many points from these games. I think November and December will define our season. Lots of very winnable games and hopefully a fit and in form squad to choose from.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Stu on September 23, 2013, 07:50:39 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on September 22, 2013, 02:49:17 PM
Tonev's shooting is a worry. The Guardian minute by minute report called him a clown for the one in the second half where he had a man free on the right.

The Guardian can fuck off.

These are shit, 2-0 Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaAlways on September 23, 2013, 08:01:33 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on September 22, 2013, 11:10:12 PM
Having watched spurs and man city today I may avoid football for the next week or so. Teywere both absolutely awesome.
I wouldn't describe Spurs as being absolutely awesome.They just about managed to squeak past Cardiff who were very unlucky as the had what looked like a perfectly legitimate goal chalked off and created a few more chances themselves .You could also argue Spurs should have been playing most of the game with 10 men

Thrashing the Champions 4-1 is awesome.Narrowly beating a newly promoted side, with a couple of dodgy ref decisions,not so much
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KevinGage on September 23, 2013, 08:42:13 AM: Any of our Scottish brethren know of a decent bar that's likely to have the match on in Edinburgh?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on September 23, 2013, 08:49:00 AM: Looking at the ticket planner - its going to less than half full.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on September 23, 2013, 08:54:40 AM: I think spurs had over 30 shots. The Cardiff keeper had a blinder. I thought they looked great to be honest.

Even though in many ways we defended very well on Saturday, if we put in the same sort of defensive performance in our next two games I suspect we'd concede a fair few
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on September 23, 2013, 09:11:48 AM: Plus I just read that spurs have conceded one goal this season. To be honest I could do without having to play them twice at home within a month.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2013, 09:47:42 AM: It's hard to pick a team when you're not sure who's fit and who isn't. I've got a sneaky feeling we'll get past these though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: danlanza on September 23, 2013, 09:55:50 AM: Villa win aet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dekko on September 23, 2013, 09:57:11 AM: I think Spurs are going to be a real force this season, but luckily for us they haven't settled and bedded in all the new signings quite yet. Better to play them now than in a later round.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Merv on September 23, 2013, 09:58:45 AM: The injuries are stacking up, that's for sure. I'd err on the side of caution with anyone not fully (or almost) fit for this one, and go with:

Steer
Lowton Vlaar Baker Bennett

Bacuna Sylla KEA Albrighton

Weimann Kozak

Subs: Guzan, Clark, Herd, Tonev, Gardner (if fit), Helenius, Luna.

Clark was superb on Saturday but I'd take the opportunity to give Baker a game; I'd also give Albrighton a run wide left and allow Weimann to play alongside Kozak, as I thought, though Andi was bright on the left on Saturday, with Helenius and Kozak together we looked a bit one-paced.

I would started Tonev wide left but having watched him against Norwich...

Another option, if Luna was fit, would be to play Bennett LM; with him there and Bacuna RM we'd be pretty solid.

I really wouldn't mind us getting Carruthers back as soon as we can, to be honest. I'd start with him tomorrow if he was available.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on September 23, 2013, 10:00:29 AM: Sadly think we'll lose this. We're without our 2 best outfield players and AVB (pre-)spent the Bale money well and built a decent squad. Pity he didn't buy himself a packet of Strepsils while he was at it. 3-1 to them
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 23, 2013, 10:06:13 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on September 23, 2013, 08:54:40 AM
I think spurs had over 30 shots. The Cardiff keeper had a blinder. I thought they looked great to be honest.

Even though in many ways we defended very well on Saturday, if we put in the same sort of defensive performance in our next two games I suspect we'd concede a fair few
And the disallowed goal was the right desision
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on September 23, 2013, 10:37:54 AM: Quote from: KevinGage on September 23, 2013, 08:42:13 AM
Any of our Scottish brethren know of a decent bar that's likely to have the match on in Edinburgh?

It's not on Sky, is it? If not you're unlikely to find anyway here that'll show the thing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 23, 2013, 12:14:18 PM: Too many changes and we'll get battered. We are already going to miss Okore and Benteke, so I'd prefer that we played as close to first choice team as possible. I'd go with

Guzan, Lowton, Luna, Vlaar, Clark, Delph, Bacuna, Helenius, Sylla, Gabby, Kozac

Subs: Steer, Baker, Albrighton, Tonev, KEA, Bennett, Weimann, Westwood

Kozac up front, Gabby and Helenius just behind. Delph, Bacuna and Sylla breaking things up and helping out defensively.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2013, 12:22:34 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 23, 2013, 12:14:18 PM
Too many changes and we'll get battered. We are already going to miss Okore and Benteke, so I'd prefer that we played as close to first choice team as possible. I'd go with

Guzan, Lowton, Luna, Vlaar, Clark, Delph, Bacuna, Helenius, Sylla, Gabby, Kozac

Subs: Steer, Baker, Albrighton, Tonev, KEA, Bennett, Weimann, Westwood

Kozac up front, Gabby and Helenius just behind. Delph, Bacuna and Sylla breaking things up and helping out defensively.

I'd go with that line up but I'm not sure we'd be allowed 8 subs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 23, 2013, 12:25:13 PM: Quote from: Clampy on September 23, 2013, 12:22:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 23, 2013, 12:14:18 PM
Too many changes and we'll get battered. We are already going to miss Okore and Benteke, so I'd prefer that we played as close to first choice team as possible. I'd go with

Guzan, Lowton, Luna, Vlaar, Clark, Delph, Bacuna, Helenius, Sylla, Gabby, Kozac

Subs: Steer, Baker, Albrighton, Tonev, KEA, Bennett, Weimann, Westwood

Kozac up front, Gabby and Helenius just behind. Delph, Bacuna and Sylla breaking things up and helping out defensively.

I'd go with that line up but I'm not sure we'd be allowed 8 subs.

Hey now you know keep that shit to yourself. Taps nose. I thought I might slide an extra man in hoping the ref might not notice.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 23, 2013, 12:36:47 PM: Was hoping to get a disabled ticket for my girlfriend's granddad for this, he's 90 and was a season ticket holder for about 75 years. Hasn't been to a game for about 4 years, but he still keeps up with all of our games and rang us on Saturday to chat about the win over Norwich. :D

Not looking like we'll be able to get him a ticket though, the club did say that even on the day of the game a ticket may come up for this.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on September 23, 2013, 12:41:59 PM: Extra time win. 3-2
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on September 23, 2013, 01:23:31 PM: There is another 2 week break after the Hull game - so strongest team please. Resting players against a decent team like Spurs is criminal. If you are going to do that you should let people in for free.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dekko on September 23, 2013, 01:33:38 PM: Quote from: TonyD on September 23, 2013, 01:23:31 PM
There is another 2 week break after the Hull game - so strongest team please. Resting players against a decent team like Spurs is criminal. If you are going to do that you should let people in for free.

He might not have much of a choice - a lot of our players on saturday were carrying injuries already and with a tough game this weekend.....
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on September 23, 2013, 02:59:38 PM: With their fixture list and our knocks it is hard to predict the line ups and even harder to predict the result.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: KevinGage on September 23, 2013, 03:16:54 PM: Quote from: Montbert on September 23, 2013, 10:37:54 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on September 23, 2013, 08:42:13 AM
Any of our Scottish brethren know of a decent bar that's likely to have the match on in Edinburgh?

It's not on Sky, is it? If not you're unlikely to find anyway here that'll show the thing.

As I expected, thought I'd chance it anyway.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 23, 2013, 03:36:10 PM: AVB reckons it's an impossible task for Spurs. I think with the squad they have they'll be able to put out a pretty strong team.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on September 23, 2013, 04:19:40 PM: Very tough game but sometimes these cup nights at villa park under floodlights produce something special- i will go for a hard fought 2-1 win , but in all honesty i fear spurs will be too strong for us.
They will see this as a real chance for silverware and although resting a few will put out a strong side.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on September 23, 2013, 04:26:00 PM: @sportbbcwm: #avfc Paul Lambert says still awaiting scan results on Benteke hip injury. But will make a number of changes for Spurs Cup tie tomorrow.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on September 23, 2013, 05:47:47 PM: Quote from: TonyD on September 23, 2013, 01:23:31 PM
There is another 2 week break after the Hull game - so strongest team please. Resting players against a decent team like Spurs is criminal. If you are going to do that you should let people in for free.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/8938235?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 23, 2013, 06:35:18 PM: Looking at the comments of both managers, there seems to be a competition for who wants to win the least. Lambert is clearly not excited, and AVB is doing his level best to say he hopes they lose. Could be a cracking game!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 23, 2013, 06:41:48 PM: Marc Albrighton to remind us all of his existence. Last minute winna at the villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on September 23, 2013, 06:47:55 PM: With injury doubts over Clark and Delph, I expect to see them both rested.

Something like:

Steer - Lowton vlaar baker Bennett - sylla KEA - Weimann bacuna Tonev - kozak
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on September 23, 2013, 06:56:06 PM: Guzan
Lowton
Bennett
Vlaar
Baker
Sylla
Delph
Westwood
Weimann
Tonev
Kozak
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 23, 2013, 07:11:09 PM: Could be a good game for Albrighton to shine.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on September 23, 2013, 07:45:16 PM: Quote from: official website
Christian Benteke has been ruled out of tomorrow's clash against Tottenham - as Paul Lambert prepares to ring the changes for the Capital One Cup tie.

Benteke leads a lengthy casualty list after being forced out of Saturday's game at Norwich with a hip flexor injury.

The Belgian striker is awaiting the results of a scan to determine the length of his absence.

Lambert revealed up to eight players - including Ashley Westwood, Antonio Luna, Gary Gardner and Chris Herd - are carrying knocks going into the Spurs showdown.

In addition, Gabby Agbonlahor, Fabian Delph and Ciaran Clark played through the pain barrier in the victory at Carrow Road.

It means the Villa boss is likely to make several changes against Tottenham.

Asked about the extent of Benteke's injury, he said: "We don't know yet. We are waiting for the scan today and then waiting for the results so we will just have to wait and see.

"I can't comment on something I don't know about until the results come back and then we will know what is happening.

"If you look at his injury he has actually slipped at that moment.

"I'm not a doctor but we will have to wait until the results come back and speak to the relevant people that we think are the best in that field.

"You are sitting hoping it is going to be pretty quick but you don't know and I have to wait and see when I get a call later to see what everybody's thinking."

On the other players carrying knocks, the manager added: "It is not just Christian that took a knock.

"There are a right few lads that are hobbling about at the minute. But we have to get them going again.

"Luna took a bad one and stayed with it which was great for the team.

"Even Gabby wasn't fully fit and we had to throw him in. Fabian was the same and Ciaran is another one. The lads did brilliantly for us on Saturday.

"I've got to make changes for tomorrow, that's for sure, because I've got a lot of injuries at the minute and Saturday's [game against Manchester City] is massive for us as well."
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Louzie0 on September 23, 2013, 07:49:23 PM: If Villa have to put out a youth team, well, been there, done that. All last season. :)

Look on our works ye mighty (and Spurs) and despair!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 23, 2013, 07:50:21 PM: Would rather see helenius get a start personally.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Steve R on September 23, 2013, 07:56:22 PM: if we go into the game with just two in central midfield we will get striped. I'd go 4-3-3, play a much changed team and still win by a street.

Steer
Lowton Donacien Baker, Bennett
Sylla, Westwood, KEA
Weimann, Kayak, Helenius
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 23, 2013, 07:57:15 PM: Don't like it...all this news of injuries and hints from VP of big changes but if that means we have beat Spuds with our second team than so be it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Hoppo on September 23, 2013, 08:03:08 PM: Who is Kayak? Cant we all please spell our own players names correct?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dr_Fegg on September 23, 2013, 08:03:48 PM: Althought they got a decent squad to choose from they have played a few games in quick succession and have a few more coming up so may be feeling it. If we can stay level by FT we'll win on ET but it will be close.

Agree Albrighton should get a run-out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on September 23, 2013, 08:09:37 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on September 23, 2013, 08:03:08 PM
Who is Kayak? Cant we all please spell our own players names correct?

Kojak.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: danlanza on September 23, 2013, 08:11:09 PM: Quote from: Legion on September 23, 2013, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on September 23, 2013, 08:03:08 PM
Who is Kayak? Cant we all please spell our own players names correct?

Kojak.
Suppose you want a lollipop now ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Hoppo on September 23, 2013, 08:16:15 PM: I asked for that.. kodak..
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on September 23, 2013, 09:07:32 PM: Quote from: olaftab on September 23, 2013, 07:57:15 PM
Don't like it...all this news of injuries and hints from VP of big changes but if that means we have beat Spuds with our second team than so be it.

It will be their second team as well, pretty much.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Steve R on September 23, 2013, 09:28:30 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on September 23, 2013, 08:03:08 PM
Who is Kayak? Cant we all please spell our own players names correct?

Jeez. Good job I left Clarke out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on September 23, 2013, 09:32:54 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on September 23, 2013, 09:07:32 PM
Quote from: olaftab on September 23, 2013, 07:57:15 PM
Don't like it...all this news of injuries and hints from VP of big changes but if that means we have beat Spuds with our second team than so be it.

It will be their second team as well, pretty much.

Which will be a lot stronger than ours. I agree that anyone struggling should probably be rested and calls for Albrighton. I'd maybe look at something like:

Guzan

Bacuna Vlaar Baker Bennett

Albrighton KEA Sylla Tonev

Weimann Kozak
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 23, 2013, 11:25:33 PM: I would rest Weimann too.

Steer

Bacuna
Vlaar
Baker
Bennett

Sylla
KEA
Gardner

Albrighton
Helenius
Kozak
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: peter w on September 23, 2013, 11:32:46 PM: 0-3
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 23, 2013, 11:57:08 PM: I would be happy to see us rest all the players who need it for Saturday.

Steer
Lowton Baker Vlaar Bennett
Bacuna KEA Sylla
Tonev
Helenius Kozak

Andi to either start or replace helenius up front. Albrighton to come off the bench for Bacuna when needed.

Sure its a "B" team but sod it, they need to play sometime. Why not now?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 12:03:06 AM: We're not going to win the league. We CAN win this cup. I want Lambert to play the strongest side possible. Spurs will be resting a few players having played Thursday and Sunday. We should do everything we can to win this.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on September 24, 2013, 06:48:46 AM: Agree Toronto Villa. It's very disappointing to think about playing a weakened team in the only cup we have a better than zero (league) or highly unlikely (Fa Cup) chance of winning. If it's injuries it's understandable though.

If it's going to be a team of fringe players I can only see a Spurs win.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 24, 2013, 07:41:01 AM: Steer
Lowton Clark Baker Bennett
Sylla
Gardner Delph
Albrighton Gabby
Kozak
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on September 24, 2013, 07:46:54 AM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 24, 2013, 07:41:01 AM
Steer
Lowton Clark Baker Bennett
Sylla
Gardner Delph
Albrighton Gabby
Kozak

I thought that Gary G. was still injured
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 24, 2013, 07:54:09 AM: I can't keep track of who is injured and who isn't.

;D
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on September 24, 2013, 07:58:20 AM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 24, 2013, 07:54:09 AM
I can't keep track of who is injured and who isn't.

;D

Don't bother trying. Every time I see a list another name has been added to it. I'm sure someone got second degree burns to the mouth eating Sunday dinner.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on September 24, 2013, 08:39:25 AM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 12:03:06 AM
We're not going to win the league. We CAN win this cup. I want Lambert to play the strongest side possible. Spurs will be resting a few players having played Thursday and Sunday. We should do everything we can to win this.

agree, and I think he will play the strongest side he can, he has done so far in the cup comps
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on September 24, 2013, 08:42:52 AM: I think Kozak starting up top with Helenius floating in and around him is a fairly obvious selection.

I expect Sylla, Delph and KEA to start, its just a question of whether he fancies Tonev or Bacuna in midfield. I would give Bennett a run, but keep Vlaar and Clarke in at centre half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 24, 2013, 08:57:39 AM: Managed to get a ticket for my girlfriend's Granddad, so regardless of the score it'll be worth going :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dekko on September 24, 2013, 10:04:57 AM: Delph was playing through injury on saturday apparently. I doubt he'll start.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on September 24, 2013, 10:11:10 AM: Steer
Lowton Baker Clark Bennett
Bacuna Sylla
Albrighton Helenius Tonev
Kozak

Difficult to come up with a team that balances the need to rest people and yet still have a chance of winning.

Delph certainly needs to be rested and I quite like the idea of seeing Bacuna playing more central.

Tonev needs to have a good game otherwise I'd have him out of the match day squad for a while.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Gregorys Boy on September 24, 2013, 10:21:00 AM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 12:03:06 AM
We're not going to win the league. We CAN win this cup. I want Lambert to play the strongest side possible. Spurs will be resting a few players having played Thursday and Sunday. We should do everything we can to win this.

I agree with this also, besides it is still early in the league and we have a tough match against City next anyway.

I am going to be confident and go for a 2-1 Villa win in Full Time.

Clark, and Kozak for us

Defoe for Spurs
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on September 24, 2013, 12:05:15 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on September 24, 2013, 10:11:10 AM
Steer
Lowton Baker Clark Bennett
Bacuna Sylla
Albrighton Helenius Tonev
Kozak

Difficult to come up with a team that balances the need to rest people and yet still have a chance of winning.

Delph certainly needs to be rested and I quite like the idea of seeing Bacuna playing more central.

Tonev needs to have a good game otherwise I'd have him out of the match day squad for a while.

Replace Baker with Vlaar and I'd go with that, we need the central defenders to form an understanding so the starters should stick together unless form or injury forces a change, for the time being.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on September 24, 2013, 01:01:42 PM: I'd ditch the 433. Play Weimann up front with Kozak. Got a good feeling about tonight, think Tonev is gonna score one of his 25 shots from outside the box.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 24, 2013, 01:12:03 PM: Helenius just doesn't look like he should be playing as a traditional number 10 role.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on September 24, 2013, 01:17:38 PM: Quote from: PaulTheVillan on September 24, 2013, 01:12:03 PM
Helenius just doesn't look like he should be playing as a traditional number 10 role.
Why? - because he's 6'7" or is there some other reason?
I'd be surprised if any of us have seen enough to make such definite judgements on players.

Not having a pop at you, PTV, but Helenius, Bacuna, Tonev and Luna have all been roundly rogered on this forum over the last few days and it seems bizarre to me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on September 24, 2013, 01:34:27 PM: So lets get this straight - I am leaving work early to collect VCTM jnr from school, we journey 100 miles in stop start traffic on the M6, pay for the privilege of watching an under strength Villa X1 "compete" against a under strength Spurs X1 - and I am supposed to be happy that our Manager considers the game on Saturday more important??
Seriously unhappy at the modern game along with many others of my vintage - I seriously considered the merits of getting a season ticket again this year but I convinced myself that when Benteke committed his "future" to the club it would be fun to watch us develop. I am now seriously peed off that the club are half arsed about winning a cup - probably the only cup we have half a chance of winning. How can I be cheered up ? A healthy 3-0 win will do me:) UTV
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 01:37:48 PM: Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on September 24, 2013, 01:34:27 PM
So lets get this straight - I am leaving work early to collect VCTM jnr from school, we journey 100 miles in stop start traffic on the M6, pay for the privilege of watching an under strength Villa X1 "compete" against a under strength Spurs X1 - and I am supposed to be happy that our Manager considers the game on Saturday more important??
Seriously unhappy at the modern game along with many others of my vintage - I seriously considered the merits of getting a season ticket again this year but I convinced myself that when Benteke committed his "future" to the club it would be fun to watch us develop. I am now seriously peed off that the club are half arsed about winning a cup - probably the only cup we have half a chance of winning. How can I be cheered up ? A healthy 3-0 win will do me:) UTV

And I've flown from Canada for my first game in a couple of seasons; Okore and Benteke, two llayers I really wanted o see are both knackered on top of everything you've just said. Still, I'll take any Villa win tonight.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 24, 2013, 01:43:50 PM: Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on September 24, 2013, 01:34:27 PM
So lets get this straight - I am leaving work early to collect VCTM jnr from school, we journey 100 miles in stop start traffic on the M6, pay for the privilege of watching an under strength Villa X1 "compete" against a under strength Spurs X1 - and I am supposed to be happy that our Manager considers the game on Saturday more important??
Seriously unhappy at the modern game along with many others of my vintage - I seriously considered the merits of getting a season ticket again this year but I convinced myself that when Benteke committed his "future" to the club it would be fun to watch us develop. I am now seriously peed off that the club are half arsed about winning a cup - probably the only cup we have half a chance of winning. How can I be cheered up ? A healthy 3-0 win will do me:) UTV

If he's playing an understrength team because of injuries and knocks, then that's fair enough for me. He played a full strength team in the last round so he can't be accused of being 'half arsed'.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: fredm on September 24, 2013, 01:44:46 PM: Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on September 24, 2013, 01:34:27 PM
So lets get this straight - I am leaving work early to collect VCTM jnr from school, we journey 100 miles in stop start traffic on the M6, pay for the privilege of watching an under strength Villa X1 "compete" against a under strength Spurs X1 - and I am supposed to be happy that our Manager considers the game on Saturday more important??
Seriously unhappy at the modern game along with many others of my vintage - I seriously considered the merits of getting a season ticket again this year but I convinced myself that when Benteke committed his "future" to the club it would be fun to watch us develop. I am now seriously peed off that the club are half arsed about winning a cup - probably the only cup we have half a chance of winning. How can I be cheered up ? A healthy 3-0 win will do me:) UTV

Don't think he will leave people out willy nilly but why risk aggravating a slight injury when we, allegedly, have players who are quite capable of stepping in and making their mark.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on September 24, 2013, 01:48:57 PM: If Delph is injured, I would rather he be rested than risk the chance of making his knock worse.

I am looking forward to tonight and seeing the likes of Kozak and Helenius from the start. I am more than annoyed that they have made it average 50 and then 40 mph heading northbound between 12-13 of the M6.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Concrete John on September 24, 2013, 01:53:44 PM: Had to nip out at lunch and Talkshite seemed quite certain that Spurs would play a weakened team. After the team he picked at Rotherham, I can't see Lambert doing the same, although injuries will affect us. That makes it very hard to predict, but I'm gonna go Villa to win with an extra time goal from Gabby.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: martyn ellis on September 24, 2013, 02:25:10 PM: Except Gabby is one of the players probably not playing
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on September 24, 2013, 02:30:42 PM: Big difference between resting injured or half injured players versus resting fit players.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on September 24, 2013, 02:34:04 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 01:37:48 PM
And I've flown from Canada for my first game in a couple of seasons; Okore and Benteke, two llayers I really wanted o see are both knackered on top of everything you've just said. Still, I'll take any Villa win tonight.
Bloody lightweight ;D

Enjoy yourself - regardless of the game / result.
It'll be interesting to get your perspective on things ...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 24, 2013, 02:38:38 PM: AVB has talked us up quite a lot.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 02:46:54 PM: Quote from: Mister E on September 24, 2013, 02:34:04 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 01:37:48 PM
And I've flown from Canada for my first game in a couple of seasons; Okore and Benteke, two llayers I really wanted o see are both knackered on top of everything you've just said. Still, I'll take any Villa win tonight.
Bloody lightweight ;D

Enjoy yourself - regardless of the game / result.
It'll be interesting to get your perspective on things ...

Cheers. It's funny that now getting to a game means so much yet something we all somewhat take for granted when you live close by. Nothing beats a Villa Park match at night. Can't wait. I'll try and hit the Barton's around 5.30 and then meet my brother at the ground.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Mister E on September 24, 2013, 03:26:15 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 02:46:54 PM
Quote from: Mister E on September 24, 2013, 02:34:04 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 01:37:48 PM
And I've flown from Canada for my first game in a couple of seasons; Okore and Benteke, two llayers I really wanted o see are both knackered on top of everything you've just said. Still, I'll take any Villa win tonight.
Bloody lightweight ;D

Enjoy yourself - regardless of the game / result.
It'll be interesting to get your perspective on things ...

Cheers. It's funny that now getting to a game means so much yet something we all somewhat take for granted when you live close by. Nothing beats a Villa Park match at night. Can't wait. I'll try and hit the Barton's around 5.30 and then meet my brother at the ground.
My brother had to come over from California in late-April and happened to arrive on the day of the Sunderland match.
It was his first game at VP since 1996 and after he asked what all the fuss was about!

Needless to say, he was very enthused.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rico on September 24, 2013, 04:51:19 PM: A win tonight please Villa. Don't care how it's done, a penalty, own goal, crazy deflection - don't care. We need to start winning trophies again, and the League Cup has generally been good to Villa! Best part of twenty years without a trophy is too long for a club of Villa's stature. Can't see us getting relegated or qualifying for Europe via our league position, therefore the cups represent our best hope of glory. Go for it Villa!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on September 24, 2013, 05:26:24 PM: Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on September 24, 2013, 01:34:27 PM
So lets get this straight - I am leaving work early to collect VCTM jnr from school, we journey 100 miles in stop start traffic on the M6, pay for the privilege of watching an under strength Villa X1 "compete" against a under strength Spurs X1 - and I am supposed to be happy that our Manager considers the game on Saturday more important??
Seriously unhappy at the modern game along with many others of my vintage - I seriously considered the merits of getting a season ticket again this year but I convinced myself that when Benteke committed his "future" to the club it would be fun to watch us develop. I am now seriously peed off that the club are half arsed about winning a cup - probably the only cup we have half a chance of winning. How can I be cheered up ? A healthy 3-0 win will do me:) UTV

Lambert will not be taking this lightly VCM. He will put out the best possible team out available. Trouble is none of us have a clue who that involves !!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JJ-AV on September 24, 2013, 06:02:38 PM: Right, Villa cash and tonight. How can I use it? Ticket office pre-match?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: levico on September 24, 2013, 06:06:09 PM: A lot depends on AVBs attitude to this match but with our injury list I fear a heavy home defeat.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on September 24, 2013, 06:36:58 PM: Quote from: levico on September 24, 2013, 06:06:09 PM
A lot depends on AVBs attitude to this match but with our injury list I fear a heavy home defeat.

Or the lads coming into the team could see it as a chance to impress lambert and put on a display .
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 24, 2013, 06:38:40 PM: Quote from: levico on September 24, 2013, 06:06:09 PM
A lot depends on AVBs attitude to this match but with our injury list I fear a heavy home defeat.

What was your prediction for last Saturday?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 24, 2013, 06:42:57 PM: I do hope Lambert is NOT resting players tonight. To me I would take a win tonight and defeat on Saturday. League points can be recovered cup games can not. Progress in this cup is very important.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: stevo_st on September 24, 2013, 06:45:04 PM: Think spurs will win this one, would settle with good performances from the new arrivals
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 24, 2013, 06:47:36 PM: 3-1 Spurs for me. Just cannot see our second team getting near theirs. They have a squad I envy.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 24, 2013, 06:50:23 PM: Quote from: stevo_st on September 24, 2013, 06:45:04 PM
Think spurs will win this one, would settle with good performances from the new arrivals
Just good performance in a cup game. No thanks this is must win at any cost. GP's wait for the league games!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on September 24, 2013, 06:52:30 PM: potential Champions league place up for grabs tonight

win carling cup, enter Europa league, win that, enter Champs league, win that,
and its 1982 all over again
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on September 24, 2013, 06:53:36 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on September 24, 2013, 06:47:36 PM
3-1 Spurs for me. Just cannot see our second team getting near theirs. They have a squad I envy.

We were better than Spurs 3 or 4 years ago. Miles behind now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PGW on September 24, 2013, 06:55:10 PM: steer, lowton,vlaar,baker, bennet, kae, bacuna, albrighton,sylla, tonev, kozak
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PGW on September 24, 2013, 06:56:11 PM: subs,
guzan,clark,helenius, weimann, bowery, johnson, robinson
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 24, 2013, 06:58:15 PM: Albrighton and Tonev... Doesn't look good.