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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eastie on September 13, 2013, 08:26:02 AM
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@MatKendrick: Jackie Chance: Villa's highly rated youngster Jack Grealish set to join Notts County on loan #avfc http://t.co/wsPlPdRcl4
Good luck to the lad , he could be a very good player for us in a year or two.
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There's a good interview on the guardian with Martinez talking about the youth/loan system. For me, the pertinent point was that players up to the age of about 20 play/train 35 hours a week. This drops off to about ten hours when they've graduated but are not playing regularly ie on the bench.
He says it vital players aged 21 to 23 go on loan as this is the key period, or the biggest difference between England and Spain. Good move by the club.
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He really impressed me in pre-season. Actually we've been talking about a dearth in Irish talent, but there's some very promising Irish youngsters coming through our ranks.
This is the right time to get him out on loan too. Get him playing. Hes at a good level, he's got Enda down there with him too, which'll help him settle quicker. Good luck to him.
I reckon we loan him to L1. See how he does. Then perhaps loan him out again in the Championship if possible. Get him well prepared to step up to Prem level in a year or two.
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Good to see hopefully this will aid his development.
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Glad to see we are doing this more. I feel there has been a missing 'X Factor' these past 10 years or so where we have consistently produced youth teams capable of winning things, but much fewer youngsters than you would have thought given that success, who have made it at Premier League level. I hope that loaning out players is that missing link
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Glad to see we are doing this more. I feel there has been a missing 'X Factor' these past 10 years or so where we have consistently produced youth teams capable of winning things, but much fewer youngsters than you would have thought given that success, who have made it at Premier League level. I hope that loaning out players is that missing link
I agree, maybe we will see Gardner and Bowery go out on loan to championship clubs too.
There is no problem loaning these players out if we have a recall option on them .
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"Loan watch" thread?
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Glad to see we are doing this more. I feel there has been a missing 'X Factor' these past 10 years or so where we have consistently produced youth teams capable of winning things, but much fewer youngsters than you would have thought given that success, who have made it at Premier League level. I hope that loaning out players is that missing link
I disagree on the 'made it at premier league level'. There are currently a more than reasonably number of players in premier league matchday squads who came through our academy. What has been missing is the 1 superstar we can point to as our major success but I doubt there's many sides in the premier league with a better success rate than us when it comes to regular premier league players.
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"Loan watch" thread?
That's for players out playing on loan , this is news of grealish going out on loan, there's a difference.
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"Loan watch" thread?
That's for players out playing on loan , this is news of grealish going out on loan, there's a difference.
There's nothing wrong with this thread, but I was suggesting that with all these players going out on loan, maybe we start a loan watch thread so we could talk about how they're all doing.
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"Loan watch" thread?
That's for players out playing on loan , this is news of grealish going out on loan, there's a difference.
There's nothing wrong with this thread, but I was suggesting that with all these players going out on loan, maybe we start a loan watch thread so we could talk about how they're all doing.
I agree. Potentially grelish could play against carruthers this weekend v MK Dons.
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"Loan watch" thread?
That's for players out playing on loan , this is news of grealish going out on loan, there's a difference.
There's nothing wrong with this thread, but I was suggesting that with all these players going out on loan, maybe we start a loan watch thread so we could talk about how they're all doing.
Sorry, i misunderstood your point, yes a loan watch thread may be interesting with Burke, grealish, Stevens, Fonz etc out on loan .
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I think it will do him good to get some first team action.
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I think it will do him good to get some first team action.
definitely, I think this kid has enough about him to be a bit special so now we need to see how he mentally handles being given a bit of a kicking.
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The one good thing about the Youth Champions League being scrapped is that we have to get those players loan moves. It has seemed in the last couple of years that we've actively avoided loaning these players out because they had big European games at their level.
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"Loan watch" thread?
That's for players out playing on loan , this is news of grealish going out on loan, there's a difference.
There's nothing wrong with this thread, but I was suggesting that with all these players going out on loan, maybe we start a loan watch thread so we could talk about how they're all doing.
Sorry, i misunderstood your point, yes a loan watch thread may be interesting with Burke, grealish, Stevens, Fonz etc out on loan .
Not forgetting Stevie I.
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The one good thing about the Youth Champions League being scrapped is that we have to get those players loan moves. It has seemed in the last couple of years that we've actively avoided loaning these players out because they had big European games at their level.
The other good thing is we are Champions forever.
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So how did Edna and Jackie get on?
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MK Dons beat Notts County 3-1. Carruthers seems to have had a good game: got an 8 in the 'Milton Keynes Citizen'!
I do wonder if Carruthers could come in and actually make a positive difference in an attacking midfield role. You'd have to think Tonev was ahead of him, but he seems more N'Zogbia-like to me. Would leave us exposed. Carruthers looks like he can mix it up.
But it's a big step up from league one.
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Thought it was interesting to note that Darren Bent has picked up an injury already at Fulham. Thigh strain I believe, which he had once or twice with us. He's been pretty injury prone over the last couple of years in particular. That would mark another reason why we just couldnt carry a player on his wages here, even if Lambert could have got him performing. I don't think Benty will ever be the same player again that he was 2-3 years ago.
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MK Dons beat Notts County 3-1. Carruthers seems to have had a good game: got an 8 in the 'Milton Keynes Citizen'!
I do wonder if Carruthers could come in and actually make a positive difference in an attacking midfield role. You'd have to think Tonev was ahead of him, but he seems more N'Zogbia-like to me. Would leave us exposed. Carruthers looks like he can mix it up.
But it's a big step up from league one.
Carruthers will attack and take people on which is something we could do with - certainly hope lambert will give him a chance as he should have had one last season.
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Carruthers looked the part. 2 years ago. Strange he hasnt had a sniff under Lambert. I wonder why?
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MK Dons beat Notts County 3-1. Carruthers seems to have had a good game: got an 8 in the 'Milton Keynes Citizen'!
I do wonder if Carruthers could come in and actually make a positive difference in an attacking midfield role. You'd have to think Tonev was ahead of him, but he seems more N'Zogbia-like to me. Would leave us exposed. Carruthers looks like he can mix it up.
But it's a big step up from league one.
Not as big a step up as it is from youth football though and Westwood/Lowton are 2 examples who have made the step up from League One to Premier League.
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Thought it was interesting to note that Darren Bent has picked up an injury already at Fulham. Thigh strain I believe, which he had once or twice with us. He's been pretty injury prone over the last couple of years in particular. That would mark another reason why we just couldnt carry a player on his wages here, even if Lambert could have got him performing. I don't think Benty will ever be the same player again that he was 2-3 years ago.
Its difficult to judge, he wasn't really playing under us. That's going to impact on his fitness.
He didn't have much of a pre season, and at his age the niggling injuries are picked up easier.
It may just be that the stop start nature of his time here is a root cause.
We'll know more once he's fit and has a run of games,
but if he can't stay injury free for very long, then yeah I can definitely see a Michael Owen-esque decline.
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Thought it was interesting to note that Darren Bent has picked up an injury already at Fulham. Thigh strain I believe, which he had once or twice with us. He's been pretty injury prone over the last couple of years in particular. That would mark another reason why we just couldnt carry a player on his wages here, even if Lambert could have got him performing. I don't think Benty will ever be the same player again that he was 2-3 years ago.
Its difficult to judge, he wasn't really playing under us. That's going to impact on his fitness.
He didn't have much of a pre season, and at his age the niggling injuries are picked up easier.
It may just be that the stop start nature of his time here is a root cause.
We'll know more once he's fit and has a run of games,
but if he can't stay injury free for very long, then yeah I can definitely see a Michael Owen-esque decline.
I mean the thing was, he started out as skipper for us under Lambert, then had a niggling injury and obviously never really got back in the side. But it did appear that he had a few fitness issues too.
In all honesty, when Benty has played in the last year, he appears to have lost a couple of yards of pace, which for me takes away a big part of his game. He's still got good movement in the box, but when it comes to hanging on a last high line defender, and breaking clear, Im not sure he can do that. Much like Owen too, his all round attributes aren't good enough to re-adapt his game.
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They seem to like Jack at Notts County
re: Team & Match Thread:
Grealish (?)... Best player ive seen in a Notts shirt in years
re: Team & Match Thread:
Boucard MOTM?
... never... Grealish by a country mile!
Zero coincidence that we started well Tuesday night, played well and won today.
Good Lad Jack
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They seem to like Jack at Notts County
re: Team & Match Thread:
Grealish (?)... Best player ive seen in a Notts shirt in years
re: Team & Match Thread:
Boucard MOTM?
... never... Grealish by a country mile!
Zero coincidence that we started well Tuesday night, played well and won today.
Good Lad Jack
Nice one. Keep it up Jack.
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They seem to like Jack at Notts County
re: Team & Match Thread:
Grealish (?)... Best player ive seen in a Notts shirt in years
re: Team & Match Thread:
Boucard MOTM?
... never... Grealish by a country mile!
Zero coincidence that we started well Tuesday night, played well and won today.
Good Lad Jack
Nice one. Keep it up Jack.
I still believe he'll be right in the first team squad by the end of the season, great player, has a great low centre of gravity so he drifts past people with ease.
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BBC :
'Aston Villa teenage loanee Jack Grealish was a constant menace for the Magpies and at centre of all of their early ingenuity'
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http://www.nottinghampost.com/story-19832084-detail/story.html?
Appears they think he is on for big things. Hope he gets a shot in the first team this season.
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How long is on loan for? I quite fancy a trip up to Nottingham to watch him.
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How long is on loan for? I quite fancy a trip up to Nottingham to watch him.
Till Christmas I think
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Ireland looked shit on the brief Stoke highlights I saw.
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How did Messi get on for Palace, I know he was starting...
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How did Messi get on for Palace, I know he was starting...
He got subbed as they chased the game. Hopefully tactical, I want him to do well.
Unlike Ireland.
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How did Messi get on for Palace, I know he was starting...
He got subbed as they chased the game. Hopefully tactical, I want him to do well.
Unlike Ireland.
I watched the game ....i would say it was not tactical...he was mediocre at best. Palace fans seem to have taken to him as they give him good applause as he left field. I also want him to do well.
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How did Messi get on for Palace, I know he was starting...
He got subbed as they chased the game. Hopefully tactical, I want him to do well.
Unlike Ireland.
I watched the game ....i would say it was not tactical...he was mediocre at best. Palace fans seem to have taken to him as they give him good applause as he left field. I also want him to do well.
radio 5, I think it was Claridge, didn't seem to think he contributed much.
The bit I seen of Ireland was him giving the ball away needlessly which Arsenal should have scored from.
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I hope somebody at County tells Grealish to put on a pair of shin pads as judging from the images of him on Saturday, he's playing with his socks at half mast, something I can't remember seeing any player do since the 70's.
Sounds like he had a great debut and is enjoying his time there.
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I hope somebody at County tells Grealish to put on a pair of shin pads as judging from the images of him on Saturday, he's playing with his socks at half mast, something I can't remember seeing any player do since the 70's.
Sounds like he had a great debut and is enjoying his time there.
He must have them on, he isn't allowed on the field of play without them!
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I hope somebody at County tells Grealish to put on a pair of shin pads as judging from the images of him on Saturday, he's playing with his socks at half mast, something I can't remember seeing any player do since the 70's.
Sounds like he had a great debut and is enjoying his time there.
He must have them on, he isn't allowed on the field of play without them!
See images 16, 17, 18 and 26.
http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/article/tranmere-in-photos-1070936.aspx
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Curruthers really should get a chance here when he gets back from his loan.
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Had a look on a NCFC forum they sure love Jack. Wished we could throw him on against Spurs.
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A loan move is great for Grealish, he's not ready for the first team bench yet, from what I've seen he's a talent but very raw, hopefully the loan spell will enable him to get his head up more.
He'll do well at some point.
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Had a look on a NCFC forum they sure love Jack. Wished we could throw him on against Spurs.
He'd be better off on-loan at the other magpies. Shake-up their basket case of under-achieving midfielders.
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I hope somebody at County tells Grealish to put on a pair of shin pads as judging from the images of him on Saturday, he's playing with his socks at half mast, something I can't remember seeing any player do since the 70's.
Sounds like he had a great debut and is enjoying his time there.
He must have them on, he isn't allowed on the field of play without them!
See images 16, 17, 18 and 26.
http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/article/tranmere-in-photos-1070936.aspx
You can clearly see the shadow of a pair of shinnies under the socks.
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Oh and Francesco Totti wears his socks down.
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Darren Bent scored the winner for Fulham tonight against Everton. The player that allegedly does nothing but score goals
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Darren Bent scored the winner for Fulham tonight against Everton. The player that allegedly does nothing
Happy for him. Never had a problem with the fans or disrespected the club. He is off banging em in for Fulham and they are paying his wages.
Win/Win.
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Darren Bent scored the winner for Fulham tonight against Everton. The player that allegedly does nothing
Happy for him. Never had a problem with the fans or disrespected the club. He is off banging em in for Fulham and they are paying his wages.
Win/Win.
I'd be happier if he was available for back up for us so we can compete when we've got injuries to be honest.
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Darren Bent scored the winner for Fulham tonight against Everton. The player that allegedly does nothing
Happy for him. Never had a problem with the fans or disrespected the club. He is off banging em in for Fulham and they are paying his wages.
Win/Win.
I'd be happier if he was available for back up for us so we can compete when we've got injuries to be honest.
Been trying to offload for ages, so I am v happy he has found his berth with Fulham.
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Where does Chris Herd feature in Lamberts plans does anyone know? Very limited on the ball but would surely do a decent job for a championship team in midfield. Best to send him on loan as Bacuna seems to have taken his place as right back/midfield cover.
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I hope somebody at County tells Grealish to put on a pair of shin pads as judging from the images of him on Saturday, he's playing with his socks at half mast, something I can't remember seeing any player do since the 70's.
Sounds like he had a great debut and is enjoying his time there.
He must have them on, he isn't allowed on the field of play without them!
See images 16, 17, 18 and 26.
http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/article/tranmere-in-photos-1070936.aspx
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You can see he is definitely wearing a pair. You just wouldn't be allowed not to these days.
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Where does Chris Herd feature in Lamberts plans does anyone know? Very limited on the ball but would surely do a decent job for a championship team in midfield. Best to send him on loan as Bacuna seems to have taken his place as right back/midfield cover.
Injured
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Stephen Ireland scored tonight for Stoke. Reminds world hes still a footballer.
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Article on how some of the loanees are doing. Good stuff about Grealish and Carruthers:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/special-feature-mixed-fortunes-aston-6123597
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@MatKendrick Graham Burke has returned to Villa from loan spell at Shrewsbury. Piece in today's Brum Mail about his lack of opportunities there #avfc
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I've never really seen what Burke has to offer to be honest. But Grealish has surprised me with how good he's looked in the last six months.
I'd like to see Jordan Graham (when fit) and Gary Gardner go out on loan too. And maybe see Carruthers and Grealish move up to the championship after their current loan spells end, if they've done well enough.
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Interesting interview in today's sun with darren bent -says he still has no clue why lambert froze him out .
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Interesting interview in today's sun with darren bent -says he still has no clue why lambert froze him out .
A couple of goals aside, he's not done anything for Fulham so far, and he's also had an injury (that goes along with his questionnable fitness record of the last two seasons).
I'd suggest they may well be a couple of reasons if Darren really needs to know. lol.
Honestly though, Lamberts been pretty straight up from the word go. He gave his reasons countless times last season.
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Hmm, his extremely well taken winner today has probably kept his manager in a job. And he's still just getting back to fitness (having been rotting away with us). Great attitude, fine goalscorer. Too one-trick for Lambert but I'll always have time for Benty.
Anyway, back to loan watch and I caught SSN showing the goals from the Notts County game. They scored four and Jackie Grealish looked to be involved in at least two of them.
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Young Jack seems to be enjoying his loan spell from comments on twitter and really think it could be the making of him
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How long is Jack's loan spell? Would like to see him take a step up to championship next.
This is exactly what we should be doing with our best kids. Quite why the likes of Clark didn't have a similar spell are a bit of a mystery to me. The reserve league is just shocking from what I've seen.
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I know Lambert has his reasons for bombing out Bent, but when I see the likes of Bowery coming on as sub in a Premier League game, it still disappoints me that a player who is still technically ours, scores the winner to grab the 3 points to pull his team out of the drop zone. Fulham may well be one of our rivals this season, down at the wrong end.
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Darren took that goal really well (created by Ireland) but Lambert prefers a big targetman up front. Bentys a goalscorer plain and simple.
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And we can't justify a bench player on those wages
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Darren took that goal really well (created by Ireland) but Lambert prefers a big targetman up front. Bentys a goalscorer plain and simple.
It's quite frustrating when you see Kozak waiting around for service, like Bent used to. We hoofed it long to Kozak of course as that's one option to use him for but he won 4 aerial battles out of 17. I'd wager even Benty could match that ratio.
I honestly think, playing style aside, Lambert doesn't seem to get on with players who have a big reputation.
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And we can't justify a bench player on those wages
If Lambert hadn't farmed him out, I doubt if he'd spending too much time on the bench at the moment. What would you rather have? A striker who can come on and get you all three points or a League One target man with the scoring record of an average centre half? As for wages, I can see bent scoring a lot more goals than Kozak and Bowery this season, even if it is from the bench. That's money well spent in my opinion.
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What would you rather have? A striker who can come on and get you all three points or a League One target man with the scoring record of an average centre half?
Out of those two options I'd definitely choose the sub who comes on and gets you all three points. I'd be surprised if anyone chooses option 2.
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How long is Jack's loan spell? Would like to see him take a step up to championship next.
This is exactly what we should be doing with our best kids. Quite why the likes of Clark didn't have a similar spell are a bit of a mystery to me. The reserve league is just shocking from what I've seen.
Clark would almost certainly have gone out on loan in his formative years had we not suffered so many injuries.
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How long is Jack's loan spell? Would like to see him take a step up to championship next.
This is exactly what we should be doing with our best kids. Quite why the likes of Clark didn't have a similar spell are a bit of a mystery to me. The reserve league is just shocking from what I've seen.
Clark would almost certainly have gone out on loan in his formative years had we not suffered so many injuries.
This is what may hamper Gary Gardners development. We've had such high hopes but it just looks like his career will stagnate a bit. I honestly wonder if he'll even be able to emulate crazy eyed Craig. Gary's still young mind, and he can look at Delph's progress in 2013 as a real positive, but Delphy's been lucky to have had so much time to turn things around. It's not normally something afforded to players in great quantities.
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How long is Jack's loan spell? Would like to see him take a step up to championship next.
This is exactly what we should be doing with our best kids. Quite why the likes of Clark didn't have a similar spell are a bit of a mystery to me. The reserve league is just shocking from what I've seen.
Clark would almost certainly have gone out on loan in his formative years had we not suffered so many injuries.
He made his debut in August 2009 and that was it for his first team involvement that season especially as the back 4 pretty much stayed fit that season (the injuries happened in the Houllier year).
Great to hear Grealish doing well at Notts, he'll learn more in their relegation battle than playing the odd reserve game here imo.
Carruthurs also sounds like he's been decent at Franchise, he should be getting a chance or two when he returns I reckon.
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How long is Jack's loan spell? Would like to see him take a step up to championship next.
This is exactly what we should be doing with our best kids. Quite why the likes of Clark didn't have a similar spell are a bit of a mystery to me. The reserve league is just shocking from what I've seen.
Clark would almost certainly have gone out on loan in his formative years had we not suffered so many injuries.
This is what may hamper Gary Gardners development. We've had such high hopes but it just looks like his career will stagnate a bit. I honestly wonder if he'll even be able to emulate crazy eyed Craig. Gary's still young mind, and he can look at Delph's progress in 2013 as a real positive, but Delphy's been lucky to have had so much time to turn things around. It's not normally something afforded to players in great quantities.
Agreed - is GG still injured? He needs game-time and a loan would be great for him.
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How long is Jack's loan spell? Would like to see him take a step up to championship next.
This is exactly what we should be doing with our best kids. Quite why the likes of Clark didn't have a similar spell are a bit of a mystery to me. The reserve league is just shocking from what I've seen.
Clark would almost certainly have gone out on loan in his formative years had we not suffered so many injuries.
This is what may hamper Gary Gardners development. We've had such high hopes but it just looks like his career will stagnate a bit. I honestly wonder if he'll even be able to emulate crazy eyed Craig. Gary's still young mind, and he can look at Delph's progress in 2013 as a real positive, but Delphy's been lucky to have had so much time to turn things around. It's not normally something afforded to players in great quantities.
Agreed - is GG still injured? He needs game-time and a loan would be great for him.
Back injury - probably another 3 weeks yet.
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How long is Jack's loan spell? Would like to see him take a step up to championship next.
This is exactly what we should be doing with our best kids. Quite why the likes of Clark didn't have a similar spell are a bit of a mystery to me. The reserve league is just shocking from what I've seen.
Clark would almost certainly have gone out on loan in his formative years had we not suffered so many injuries.
This is what may hamper Gary Gardners development. We've had such high hopes but it just looks like his career will stagnate a bit. I honestly wonder if he'll even be able to emulate crazy eyed Craig. Gary's still young mind, and he can look at Delph's progress in 2013 as a real positive, but Delphy's been lucky to have had so much time to turn things around. It's not normally something afforded to players in great quantities.
Agreed - is GG still injured? He needs game-time and a loan would be great for him.
Back injury - probably another 3 weeks yet.
Cheers, eastie.
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I'm not sure we had that many injuries in Clark's formative years? Cuellar couldn't even get a game at centre back and was able to stoke the myth that he was our best defender.
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We had horrendous injuries in the Houllier and McLeish seasons.
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I think the injuries would have been less of an issue if we had a bigger squad back then.
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Just an update. Jack is back at Villa tomorrow. He injured his ankle on Saturday and will be out for a few weeks at least. Hopefully he will go back when fit.
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Could be out for up to 8 weeks apparently.
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Yes that was what was said but he is having it examined today so will know more soon.
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Is Stevens back now?
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Goalkeeper Bradley Watkins has joined Tranmere on a month-long youth loan from Aston Villa.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24491406?
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Goalkeeper Bradley Watkins has joined Tranmere on a month-long youth loan from Aston Villa.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24491406?
Great move for a player that stood out during last season's NG series.
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Noticed that carruthers has been subbed off in the last couple of games. Wonder if he's waning a bit?
I would really love it if one of our kids went on loan and absolutely ripped it up, especially in the championship. Tho plenty of good players - like ravel Morrison - don't. Cahill was the last I can remember.
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Noticed that carruthers has been subbed off in the last couple of games. Wonder if he's waning a bit?
I would really love it if one of our kids went on loan and absolutely ripped it up, especially in the championship. Tho plenty of good players - like ravel Morrison - don't. Cahill was the last I can remember.
It's a level below but the reports from Notts County fans suggest that Grealish has done pretty much what you're asking for.
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Grealish does look to be doing really well. But needs to get some goals and more assists. And I think some of their other loan players are doing as well if not better. He's very young though still. Only just 18 I think
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Goalkeeper Bradley Watkins has joined Tranmere on a month-long youth loan from Aston Villa.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24491406?
Great move for a player that stood out during last season's NG series.
Was involved as a sub yesterday in what was a pretty feisty affair!
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/10735852.Parkinson_accused_in_Moore_rant_at_Bradford_City_boss/
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Vital Wigan voted Marc Albrighton their man of the match for the Yeovil game.
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From the Beeb;
Aston Villa winger Samir Carruthers, who is on loan at MK Dons, and Millwall striker Aiden O'Brien score early goals as the Republic of Ireland race into a 2-0 lead against the Faroe Islands in a European Under-21 Championship qualifier.
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It is half-time at the Showgrounds in Sligo and the Republic of Ireland lead the Faroe Islands 5-2 in a European Championship Under-21 qualifier. The Republic's goals have come from Samir Carruthers, Aiden O'Brien (2), Jack Grealish and Anthony Forde.
Now final score.
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Carruthers and grealish both on the bench today. It may be because they've come back from international duty, though I've the impression both have waned a bit after promising starts.
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Grealish was unlucky not to score for the Magpies on Saturday -the defender did well to get the ball away from the line.
I should know better by now but I've got very high hopes for this lad.
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I think a lot of young players have been let down by the lack of first team football once they're Grealish's age. Getting him and Carruthers out on loan at least gives them a chance of progressing.
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I agree on grealish. He's very young still and not physically developed.
Carruthers? I think if you're nearly 21 and on the bench at a league one club that probably says something
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Grealish was unlucky not to score for the Magpies on Saturday -the defender did well to get the ball away from the line.
I should know better by now but I've got very high hopes for this lad.
sounds so familiar. Hope its true this time!!!!
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Some other players for us to keep an eye on whilst they're on loan.
Ben Siegrist has joined Burton Albion and Jordan Graham has gone to Ipswich.
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Jordan Graham has joined Ipswich until January 4th following recovery from long term injury. Surprised that it is only 5 weeks, must be Ipswich's decision because Albi is back now.
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It will be interesting to see if Seigrist gets some game time, from the little I've seen of him he looks very good, I pretty surprised that Steer has automatically been put ahead of him given they're about the same age, I suppose Steer has played a few games but still...
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Enda Stevens joins Doncaster Rovers until January.
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Shay GIven gone to middelsbrough for a month
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Shay GIven gone to middelsbrough for a month
Completes the set for him having played for sunderland and newcastle too- good luck shay!
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Hopefully it'll lead to him getting a longer move, either loan of permanent, in Jan. Shay deserves to be playing.
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Graham going on loan to Ipswich excites me (I assume this is his first loan?) Very rarely do you see a young player go on loan to a championship club first time, they normally have to work their way up from league 1/2 like Grealish is doing.
The Siegrist loan is overdue aswell, he's been with us since 2010 hasn't he?
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Graham going on loan to Ipswich excites me (I assume this is his first loan?) Very rarely do you see a young player go on loan to a championship club first time, they normally have to work their way up from league 1/2 like Grealish is doing.
The Siegrist loan is overdue aswell, he's been with us since 2010 hasn't he?
2009 I think, it's less of an issue for keepers to go out on loan in my opinion.
I'm also looking forward to seeing how Graham progresses, it's a very good move for him.
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What's happening with the two Irish lads, Drennan and Burke?
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Is Graham good? Don't think I've seen him play.
I'm pleased we're loaning out players from the academy. They'll learn a lot more playing competitive football.
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I'm not sure about siegrist to be honest. He seems to make quite a few mistakes
Like the looking graham though. I think he might have the most potential of our young forwards - though I've not seen a huge amount of any of them
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@No1shaygiven: Great to be back in action today @Boro & also to make my 600th club app. A clean sheet but more importantly the 3 points made a perfect day
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Hopefully falling in love with football again will make Given amenable to permanent moves on much less money.
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A Villa mate was at the game, all the way from Shropshire (!) he did try and explain why he went but I wasn't buying it, said that Given had an excellent game, looked fit and sharp. Fair play, he must still be training properly.
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If Guzan got injured I'd feel more assured with Given between the sticks than Steer.
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Hopefully falling in love with football again will make Given amenable to permanent moves on much less money.
Bit harsh. I've not been his biggest supporter but his professionalism can't be questioned. I'm sure if someone had come in for him and had him in mind for their number one spot, he would have gone.
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Hopefully falling in love with football again will make Given amenable to permanent moves on much less money.
Bit harsh. I've not been his biggest supporter but his professionalism can't be questioned. I'm sure if someone had come in for him and had him in mind for their number one spot, he would have gone.
It's a bit chicken and egg though isn't it. I'm sure clubs would have made him that offer if he/his agent made it aware that the new club would not have to match his current salary.
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A Villa mate was at the game, all the way from Shropshire (!) he did try and explain why he went but I wasn't buying it, said that Given had an excellent game, looked fit and sharp. Fair play, he must still be training properly.
Hope it works out for him.
He's never bad mouthed us (the 60k+ a week might help, but it hasn't stopped others) and was often the difference between winning and losing (or drawing and losing, if we're being honest) in that Horrible Anus of a year under Big Eck. Not his fault that Guzan has since eclipsed him.
If we'd have had that level of competition for all positions in the starting XI we'd have been in far better shape these past few years.
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I keep seeing this £60k figure. I think it's more like £40k/week - with that being the reason for the 5-year contract i.e. if it had been a 3-year contract, it would have been more like £70k/week to equal the £10m contract. It still doesn't justify the signing mind.
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He was reportedly on 90k a week at city and took a pay cut to come to Villa - but over a five year contract to make up the shortfall. The obvious consequence of that being if he'd seen out the five years with us, he wouldn't have been much worse off financially. If he left before the five years (as looks likely) we'll have to subsidise part of his contract at his new club or pay him off.
A bit of a pisser, but he did at least give us an extended run of good form when he was in the starting XI, unlike some of the other leeches.
A braver manager than Bg Eck might have gone with Guzan back in 2011. But he wasn't staring from a strong position support-wise, so it's clear he wanted what he thought would be senior players guaranteed to come in and hit the ground running. In the case of Given, there weren't too many that questioned the quality of the signing at the time. Even if the length of contract did raise a few eyebrows.
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Found a report from a notts county fan on grealish. Seems slightly harsh but largely plays to my prejudices. I think he's got about one assist whilst there
The best thing that can be said of Grealish is that he has passed the first acid test of the young loanee – he actually looks like he wants to be here and is grateful for his first opportunity in senior football, which perhaps makes his peripheral performances in black and white more concerning for the future.
His spell started brightly, with his pace and quick feet causing real problems for Tranmere Rovers and Carlisle United, but as his time at Notts winds towards a conclusion it is becoming harder to escape the conclusion that Grealish has been found out by League One defences.
Most often used on the left by first Chris Kiwomya and then his replacement, Shaun Derry, Grealish’s reliance on his right foot has led to a frustrating situation where he is constantly being shown aside, coaxed into the trap like a mouse is attracted to a lump of Edam before being suffocated and losing the ball. His final ball is also frustratingly absent, with Grealish’s goals and assists columns since his arrival at the club looking worryingly empty, like the cupboard in the bunker just after the apocalypse.
Not that all is lost for Jack – his touch and ability to glide past players that has underpinned the rave reviews he has received as a young footballer have been evidenced, but currently he is being held back by a lack of footballing intelligence and a lack of final product, perhaps the two toughest things to find in the game.
To compare him to previous loanees who have floated through Meadow Lane, Grealish is miles away from the explosive talent of the eighteen year-old Thomas Ince, whose brief spell at the club saw him winning games single-handedly and being a central factor to our League One survival come the end of the season.
Nor, however, is he a lost cause – a Craig Lindfield who arrived from Liverpool as the new Michael Owen (interestingly he came with far more expectation from their fans than Ince), but left as a player who would drift through a career that has taken in Accrington Stanley, Macclesfield Town and Chester. That Ince is still only a Championship player, albeit perhaps the best, is enough indication that the hype around Grealish must be tempered, however, and that it is perhaps time to stop telling him just how good he is and begin focusing on the areas in which he needs to improve.
Talk of him being ready to impact on the Villa first team squad is, frankly, ridiculous for a player currently struggling to impact on a struggling League One side.
A loan spell at a side who aren’t quite as dreadful as Notts would be a start, although our season has been deceptive in its incompetence. The side sees far more possession game on game than you might expect for a side marooned at the foot at the table, but is being held back by its lack of creativity, something for which Jack must be somewhat culpable.
The overtures around his mythical talent must stop and he should be seen as a promising footballer who has a long way to go, as the evidence of senior football is worth so much more than any internet highlights package. I hope that, one day, I see Jack on Match of the Day and can smile that my club had a small role in his development as a footballer, rather than his name triggering something in my head when he scores a goal for Tamworth or Solihull Moors.
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Excellent post. Young Jack has obvious talent but so did the Moores and Stephen Cooke. He seems a distance away from what we hope he will achieve in the future.
Carruthers too does not seem to be imposing himself at MK Dons.
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My Donny Rovers supporting mate said Enda looked decent enough on Saturday. He's playing for them against the Noses tonight.
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Good post. Sums up why getting young players out on loan is so important. Let them experience first team football at a league team and then when teams start to find and exploit their weaknesses and ask questions of them. It's then up to that young player to work on their weaknesses and find answers to these questions. Doing so could be the making of them. You're always going to be playing the numbers game with kids though.
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Grealish is still young and doesn't look physically developed, so he may need a fair bit of time. His 'glide' is lovely
But he's not got much pace nor does he seem to have a great cross on him.
I'm not sure from what I've seen. Carruthers looks very stocky for a winger to me
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Interesting that Jordan graham went to a championship side. Though he's not actually played yet. That's despite being younger than carruthers
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The Notts fan clearly knows squat. No mouse would set paw near edam, you need marmite or chocolate for those wily little buggers.
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Rodent eating habits aside, it was a well put-together piece worthy of inclusion in the print H&V.
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" Carruthers too does not seem to be imposing himself at MK Dons.
MK Dons boss Karl Robinson told BBC Three Counties Radio: ( Sat 7th Dec )
" I thought Samir Carruthers was outstanding. Today he's really shown me his coming of age."
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Stunning goal for Grealish today, glided past about 5 and nailed it
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Yes, it was a world class bit of football.
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" Carruthers too does not seem to be imposing himself at MK Dons.
MK Dons boss Karl Robinson told BBC Three Counties Radio: ( Sat 7th Dec )
" I thought Samir Carruthers was outstanding. Today he's really shown me his coming of age."
Good. Thats what we want to see.
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Can it be found anywhere online?
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Can it be found anywhere online?
iPlayer tomorrow
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That post regarding Grealish on loan. I'm sure some posters scour the internet for anti Villa stuff.
A certain David Beckham went to Preston and was shite.
Jack's goal today was awesome. With better players and more space he could do some damage down the wing.
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Just put in Jack Grealish on you tube.
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Nice.
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Was indeed a great goal, great run across the box before drilling home......well done Jack
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Was indeed a great goal, great run across the box before drilling home......well done Jack
Would like to see jack and Samir get some game time as the season progresses - both have that creative spark in them.
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Was indeed a great goal, great run across the box before drilling home......well done Jack
Would like to see jack and Samir get some game time as the season progresses - both have that creative spark in them.
Personally I'd leave them out on loan. I think playing week in, week out will develop them quicker than getting the odd cameo at Villa.
Nice to read that Carruthers has 'come of age' and Grealish scoring a cracker. It'll be interesting to see how they react now as their confidence should be growing.
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Was indeed a great goal, great run across the box before drilling home......well done Jack
Would like to see jack and Samir get some game time as the season progresses - both have that creative spark in them.
Personally I'd leave them out on loan. I think playing week in, week out will develop them quicker than getting the odd cameo at Villa.
Agreed. I'd let them see the season out where they are. They'll come back stronger.
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When I read he glided past five players I thought it was a Dalian/Messi mazy run from his own half rather than just running in a straight line past an entire back four! Shocking defending. Great finish, mind. Hopefully it will give him the confidence to kick-on.
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It has to be said Stephen Ireland scored a beauty.
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It has to be said Stephen Ireland scored a beauty.
No it doesn't >:(
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Great to see Grealish running straight to his Dad to celebrate too. All the time spent taking him football training since he was 4 paid off
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Does Grealish always play with his socks rolled down?
That's a real throwback, last player who I remember doing that was Manuel Rui Costa. And Steve Claridge.
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Let's hope he's more like the former than the latter. He's usually compared to Chris Waddle.
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When I read he glided past five players I thought it was a Dalian/Messi mazy run from his own half rather than just running in a straight line past an entire back four! Shocking defending. Great finish, mind. Hopefully it will give him the confidence to kick-on.
The 3 on the edge of the box he sold a fantastic dummy too, all three raise a boot to block the shot and he just carries on his run into space, it's very subtle but it is a brilliant bit of skill to open the space.
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Does Grealish always play with his socks rolled down?
That's a real throwback, last player who I remember doing that was Manuel Rui Costa. And Steve Claridge.
I think Claridge was just going for the disheveled hobo look to be fair.
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Our side is screaming out for someone to do what Ireland's doing for Stoke, which is annoying.
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Our side is screaming out for someone to do what Ireland's doing for Stoke, which is annoying.
What playing for a new contract?
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Our side is screaming out for someone to do what Ireland's doing for Stoke, which is annoying.
he's a wanker of the highest order. We gave him loads of opportunities. For a while he threatened to be the player we spunked all of that money on but the longer it went on the more it became abundantly clear that he is a c***.
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Our side is screaming out for someone to do what Ireland's doing for Stoke, which is annoying.
What, playing for a new contract? He'll stop caring once he gets it.
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Our side is screaming out for someone to do what Ireland's doing for Stoke, which is annoying.
he's a wanker of the highest order. We gave him loads of opportunities. For a while he threatened to be the player we spunked all of that money on but the lolonger it went on the more it became abundantly clear that he is a c***.
That's sort of my point, I wish he'd:
1) Play like that for us
2) Not be a knob so Lambert would let him into the side
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Our side is screaming out for someone to do what Ireland's doing for Stoke, which is annoying.
he's a wanker of the highest order. We gave him loads of opportunities. For a while he threatened to be the player we spunked all of that money on but the lolonger it went on the more it became abundantly clear that he is a c***.
That's sort of my point, I wish he'd:
1) Play like that for us
2) Not be a knob so Lambert would let him into the side
He's a had a couple of decent games, but I'll believe it's the return of the mythical Stephen Ireland (circa 08ish) when he's done it for the rest of this season. Which I don't think he will. He didn't even start the last game and has been in and out the Stoke team this season.
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Or put another way, let his contract run out and then buy a genuine playmaker who has the hunger and desire to succeed with us.
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Or put another way, let his contract run out and then buy a genuine playmaker who has the hunger and desire to succeed with us.
Well...buy one in Jan(the first- asap), then let Irelands contract run out. ;)
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Grealish on target again today.
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Grealish on target again today.
Set County on their way to a six pointer win at Colchester.
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He got an assist for the 4th as well, and hit the post just before their 3rd. Sounds like he played very well.
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Carruthers played very well today at Molineaux. Looked a good standard so the bloke across the road tells told me. Apparently he was taken off late in the game and replaced by....Alan Smith!. I thought he had retired a few seasons ago!. Looked a player at Leeds.
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Great to hear about young Jack. Good thread this.
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Jack's goal was beautifully taken.
He could be a really good player.
'Crossed fingers thingy'.
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Jack has done very well. His form dipped a little after his injury and he had a couple of Notts fans saying he wasn't all that. What has to be taken into consideration is the players age. Jack is still an Under 18 player and was eligible to play in the Youth Cup game the other day.
Jordan Graham and Callum Robinson are the year above but also players of great potential and hopefully they will also get a bit of first team football this season.
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Really pleased for jack - he looks to have got back into form. His assist for the fourth goal was better than his goal.
I've been a big advocate of the loan system. Though watching the lower league highlights recently I've been a bit shocked about how bad the defending is! Grealish is going past people with a shrug of the shoulders. That's impressive when you consider how slight and young he is.
But the next match on the highlights package had some kid on loan from Man U scoring two absolute belters on his debut. Perhaps a suggestion that there's a huge step up to top flight football. My main uncertainty with grealish is on whether he's got the physical attributes to succeed. He's not particularly fast or strong and I don't think I've seen him strike the ball too often. So he'll have to be genuinely very skilful to make it I think. He does have a lovely way of gliding past players so hopefully he's got what it takes
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Keep him out on loan this season.
Good pre season and he could easily be part of the 18 here next season.
Would rather give Carruthers a chance when he gets back as he's been on the fringes for two years now.
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BBC iPlayer has the highlights. Notts County are about 51/52 mins in. The goal is a bit scrappy, but the run and pass for the 4th are encouraging. Also was that Carruther's pass to set up the 1st dons goal? My laptop's not got the best definition in full screen mode.
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I think we need to get Callum Robinson out on loan and getting experience.
With Jack, maybe he could get into the 18 next season but I don't think he would get many games and would be better off going out on loan again. Hopefully to a higher standard though like a Championship club. Unless we're lucky enough to find ourselves with a genuinely world class talent on our hands this should be the career path for any of 18 year-olds who we believe have a future with us.
You see clubs like Spurs loaning out so many young players and then they've been able to send the likes of Kyle Walker, Danny Rose, Kyle Naughton, Andros Townsend and Jake Livermore out to Premier League clubs to get them experience there before integrating them into their first team. For me that's the right model for this league and I would like to see us sending out more and more youngsters and the standard of club they're loaned out to improving bit by bit.
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I agree. Next stop has got to be a championship team for both of them. It's just a question of whether it's after Xmas or next year
Graham doesn't seem to be getting any game time at Ipswich yet. Perhaps he'd have been better off in division one
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Is Grealish playing with his socks rolled down and no shinpads? Every picture he posts on Twitter of himself he seems to be.
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Yes I asked about that when I saw his goal last week. Used to be a regular occurance in the 80s but you don't see modern players do it anymore. I like it.
I was surprised Jordan Graham went straight to a championship club for his loan spell. Big Mick must have attended a reserve game or two and liked what he'd seen.
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We're crying out for a player like Grealish at the moment. I'd get the lad on the bench as soon as he's back. I don't think we can use the too young excuse with our current set up. He's got a bit of guile we sorely lack. Carruthers too.
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We're crying out for a player like Grealish at the moment. I'd get the lad on the bench as soon as he's back. I don't think we can use the too young excuse with our current set up. He's got a bit of guile we sorely lack. Carruthers too.
He's playing for a club who are in the bottom reaches of League One. That would be a massive step up for him.
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We're crying out for a player like Grealish at the moment. I'd get the lad on the bench as soon as he's back. I don't think we can use the too young excuse with our current set up. He's got a bit of guile we sorely lack. Carruthers too.
He's playing for a club who are in the bottom reaches of League One. That would be a massive step up for him.
Most of our squad have made massive step ups to be fair. Our Youth sides seem to promote football in the right way. I'd give him some time on our bench when he's back. Get him among the first team squad and give him a go. Rather see Grealish on the bench over Bowery. There's no such thing as too young under our current regime and ethos IMO.
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Excellent work to set up their fourth goal by Grealish, too.
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We're crying out for a player like Grealish at the moment. I'd get the lad on the bench as soon as he's back. I don't think we can use the too young excuse with our current set up. He's got a bit of guile we sorely lack. Carruthers too.
He's playing for a club who are in the bottom reaches of League One. That would be a massive step up for him.
Most of our squad have made massive step ups to be fair. Our Youth sides seem to promote football in the right way. I'd give him some time on our bench when he's back. Get him among the first team squad and give him a go. Rather see Grealish on the bench over Bowery. There's no such thing as too young under our current regime and ethos IMO.
I agree.
This is what I dont get wiht Lambert. Why buy players like Bowery, Helenius, Bennett etc when he hasnt given any of our own youth a chance.
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We're crying out for a player like Grealish at the moment. I'd get the lad on the bench as soon as he's back. I don't think we can use the too young excuse with our current set up. He's got a bit of guile we sorely lack. Carruthers too.
He's playing for a club who are in the bottom reaches of League One. That would be a massive step up for him.
didnt we sign Bowery from the bottom of the leagues too . why I dont know
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We're crying out for a player like Grealish at the moment. I'd get the lad on the bench as soon as he's back. I don't think we can use the too young excuse with our current set up. He's got a bit of guile we sorely lack. Carruthers too.
He's playing for a club who are in the bottom reaches of League One. That would be a massive step up for him.
didnt we sign Bowery from the bottom of the leagues too . why I dont know
From Chesterfields bench basically. That signing bemused everyone at his club, and probably Bowery himself more than anyone. Very strange indeed, to sign a player who couldn't hold down a place at Chesterfield and who's scoring record made Heskey look like Ian Rush.
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We're crying out for a player like Grealish at the moment. I'd get the lad on the bench as soon as he's back. I don't think we can use the too young excuse with our current set up. He's got a bit of guile we sorely lack. Carruthers too.
He's playing for a club who are in the bottom reaches of League One. That would be a massive step up for him.
didnt we sign Bowery from the bottom of the leagues too . why I dont know
From Chesterfields bench basically. That signing bemused everyone at his club, and probably Bowery himself more than anyone. Very strange indeed, to sign a player who couldn't hold down a place at Chesterfield and who's scoring record made Heskey look like Ian Rush.
very odd signing
all I heard Villa fans justifying it by saying ' well it wasnt alot of money'
oh dear
quantity over quality
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quantity over quality
Which was probably needed at the time, but the logic of signing Bowery is still confusing.
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Unless they start producing the likes of Bowery will be gone in time.
Taking young players away from successful loan spells to make the bench look a bit stronger makes no sense to me and is pure short-termism. I would much rather we ensure we give our young players the best chance of making it by letting them develop their games in an environment where they're starting every game. The first team needs to be dealt with separately until that young player is genuinely ready to not just play a few minutes here and there but to be someone who can start games regularly.
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Unless they start producing the likes of Bowery will be gone in time.
Taking young players away from successful loan spells to make the bench look a bit stronger makes no sense to me and is pure short-termism. I would much rather we ensure we give our young players the best chance of making it by letting them develop their games in an environment where they're starting every game. The first team needs to be dealt with separately until that young player is genuinely ready to not just play a few minutes here and there but to be someone who can start games regularly.
You need a mix of both, time away on loan, if it goes well have a month or 2 back at the club around the first team and maybe the odd cameo from the bench and see how it pans out.
However well planned a loan is the work in training won't be the same so that time back with the club is just to see what they've picked up, if there are any bad habits, etc.
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Unless they start producing the likes of Bowery will be gone in time.
Taking young players away from successful loan spells to make the bench look a bit stronger makes no sense to me and is pure short-termism. I would much rather we ensure we give our young players the best chance of making it by letting them develop their games in an environment where they're starting every game. The first team needs to be dealt with separately until that young player is genuinely ready to not just play a few minutes here and there but to be someone who can start games regularly.
I certainly wouldn't bring anyone back early. But I do think when Jack is due back, he could have a part to play in the run-in. Perhaps Carruthers is more suitable given he's a little older and has been in and around the first team already. I'd be getting Johnson out on loan for a month or two as well. I think he might prove useful in the run in, because I suspect we'll do minimal business in Jan.
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Unless they start producing the likes of Bowery will be gone in time.
Taking young players away from successful loan spells to make the bench look a bit stronger makes no sense to me and is pure short-termism. I would much rather we ensure we give our young players the best chance of making it by letting them develop their games in an environment where they're starting every game. The first team needs to be dealt with separately until that young player is genuinely ready to not just play a few minutes here and there but to be someone who can start games regularly.
You need a mix of both, time away on loan, if it goes well have a month or 2 back at the club around the first team and maybe the odd cameo from the bench and see how it pans out.
However well planned a loan is the work in training won't be the same so that time back with the club is just to see what they've picked up, if there are any bad habits, etc.
Bad habits like scoring goals!
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Unless they start producing the likes of Bowery will be gone in time.
Taking young players away from successful loan spells to make the bench look a bit stronger makes no sense to me and is pure short-termism. I would much rather we ensure we give our young players the best chance of making it by letting them develop their games in an environment where they're starting every game. The first team needs to be dealt with separately until that young player is genuinely ready to not just play a few minutes here and there but to be someone who can start games regularly.
You need a mix of both, time away on loan, if it goes well have a month or 2 back at the club around the first team and maybe the odd cameo from the bench and see how it pans out.
However well planned a loan is the work in training won't be the same so that time back with the club is just to see what they've picked up, if there are any bad habits, etc.
Bad habits like scoring goals!
Or playing slide rule passes into the path of runners from midfield (which for me was a far more significant contribution from young Jack than his goal at the weekend, it's a fantastic assist, the weight of the pass was exceptional).
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Paul_e: agree with the comment about Grealish's pass for the 4th goal; superb.
Re Bowery: perhaps we can convert him in to a decent CB?! we certainly need cover there.
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It's about playing games for Lambert.
He'll sign players from lower leagues and young players but all of them have played a lot of senior games for their previous clubs.
Lambert said when he arrived that we've not been using loans to progress our young talent anywhere near enough. in some cases to the detriment of their development.
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It was a really nice run and pass from grealish, but I think calling the weight of the pass exceptional is a bit OTT. I'm not sure you can weight a three yard pass exceptionally!
I think we might want to wait and see if a championship team comes in for grealish for the second half of the season, ditto carruthers. Only worth it if they're going to play though - graham has only played about 10 minutes at Ipswich.
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Was indeed a great goal, great run across the box before drilling home......well done Jack
Would like to see jack and Samir get some game time as the season progresses - both have that creative spark in them.
Personally I'd leave them out on loan. I think playing week in, week out will develop them quicker than getting the odd cameo at Villa.
over half of Lamberts signing then
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It was a really nice run and pass from grealish, but I think calling the weight of the pass exceptional is a bit OTT. I'm not sure you can weight a three yard pass exceptionally!
I think we might want to wait and see if a championship team comes in for grealish for the second half of the season, ditto carruthers. Only worth it if they're going to play though - graham has only played about 10 minutes at Ipswich.
I might be making this up but I think Charlton were showing an interest on getting Grealish in on loan. No need to rush him though, he's still very young.
Johnson and Carruthers on the other hand, they need to be playing week in week out at a championship club at their age I'd say.
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Sorry but I don't see what all this bigging up of Johnson is. He went out on loan to Yeovil and if I recall correctly didn't break any pots there, in fact didn't he return early? He has not gone to another club on loan - has no one wanted him? In the u-21 match at Liverpool when PL was there watching, he was fairly innocuous. I honestly don't think he is good enough to make it but I would dearly love to be proved wrong.
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I was told that the coaching staff rate Johnson highly but dont think he tries hard enough and pushes himself enough. 'He plays well within himself' was the phrase used.
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It was a really nice run and pass from grealish, but I think calling the weight of the pass exceptional is a bit OTT. I'm not sure you can weight a three yard pass exceptionally!
I think we might want to wait and see if a championship team comes in for grealish for the second half of the season, ditto carruthers. Only worth it if they're going to play though - graham has only played about 10 minutes at Ipswich.
So only a 30yard pass can be exceptional?
The reason that pass is so good is that it is the perfect weight to make the keeper make a decision, he can come and try to make himself big or he can stay and try to save the shot but there was no chance he was going to get there ahead of striker. Given there was enough on it that the defence were also completely taken out of the game as well I don't think I'm being over the top. It's the kind of pass that Xavi uses to get his 15-20 assists a season, forgive me if I'm impressed to see it from an 18 year old kid.
The key thing is, from the first time I saw Grealish I thought he'd develop into a 10 and that assist sums up why I think that, he has the skillset to do it, as a club we need to do everything we can to ensure that we can keep progressing.
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I agree, the little through ball was lovely because it was well-disguised.
He's at a good club at the moment, because County do play the best football in that division when they get going, lots of style. However, it does look almost hilariously easy for him at times, everyone else is so slow it's like he's in the matrix. It is a good sign for his talent, that he's so obviously above it considering his age, but he's also got to be aware that the Premier League is a touch less sedate and roomy in the final third, and he'll have some pretty harsh adjusting to do.
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I was told that the coaching staff rate Johnson highly but dont think he tries hard enough and pushes himself enough. 'He plays well within himself' was the phrase used.
Think they have got it spot on. The lad has definitely got the ability now he has to use what is between his ears and make a decision as to what level he wants to achieve. Someone needs to sit him down and talk to him about The Moores and Delfeunso (sp) and where they are or if he wants to be a Gabby.
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I agree, the little through ball was lovely because it was well-disguised.
He's at a good club at the moment, because County do play the best football in that division when they get going, lots of style. However, it does look almost hilariously easy for him at times, everyone else is so slow it's like he's in the matrix. It is a good sign for his talent, that he's so obviously above it considering his age, but he's also got to be aware that the Premier League is a touch less sedate and roomy in the final third, and he'll have some pretty harsh adjusting to do.
I love the way you know your League 2 football well enough to differentiate who plays good football or not. And on a completely unrelated topic you're able to give a well-written précis of highly lauded Italian novels. H&V can be such an educational resource. For that reason Monty, you're my poster of the year.
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I agree, the little through ball was lovely because it was well-disguised.
He's at a good club at the moment, because County do play the best football in that division when they get going, lots of style. However, it does look almost hilariously easy for him at times, everyone else is so slow it's like he's in the matrix. It is a good sign for his talent, that he's so obviously above it considering his age, but he's also got to be aware that the Premier League is a touch less sedate and roomy in the final third, and he'll have some pretty harsh adjusting to do.
I love the way you know your League 2 football well enough to differentiate who plays good football or not. And on a completely unrelated topic you're able to give a well-written précis of highly lauded Italian novels. H&V can be such an educational resource. For that reason Monty, you're my poster of the year.
I try to waste my life in all possible directions.
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I too can see grealish making it as a number 10
But that pass was just a nice poke forwards to expose some slapdash defensive organisation. You won't convince me it was any more than that!
I want to see him in the championship after Xmas.
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He's not quick but he seems to have a good brain on him. Finds pockets of space well, good eye for a pass and a neat finisher. I remember his pre-season goal against Crewe was very well taken. Definitely a lot of promise with this lad.
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Not a loan player, but what a goal from Stefan Moore:
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Another assist and another goal then. He was very composed with that finish. I'm more and more convinced that Grealish is going to be the real deal, he seems to have adjusted to senior football now and has been getting great reviews for the last month or so. I still think he'll be in the first team squad by the end of the season and he will be a '10' in the long term.
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He's doing really well, but let's not get over excited again about one of our kids. He's playing in league one. The best goal of the game was from Jamal Campbell Ryce, who picked it up on the half way line before larruping it into the top corner. I don't think anyone's suggesting he's going to take the prem by storm
I do hold out a lot of hope for grealish. He's still a baby. But let's not build him up too much. An awful, awful long Way to go
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He's doing really well, but let's not get over excited again about one of our kids. He's playing in league one. The best goal of the game was from Jamal Campbell Ryce, who picked it up on the half way line before larruping it into the top corner. I don't think anyone's suggesting he's going to take the prem by storm
I agree with not getting over excited, but I don't really see the relevance of some other player scoring a belter in the same match.
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I just meant that it's two divisions below us. So when grealish tucks away a nice goal from ten yards I don't think we can take it as a sign he's the real deal. People are ripping it up in that league but will never play at a higher level
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I said I think he's going to be, not that he is. He has done this at youth level as well and, after a couple of months struggling to settle into a pretty tough (physically) league with probably the weakest side in that league he's now had a run of 3 goals and 3 assists in 7 games, that's pretty impressive for an 18year old. As I've said, I think we'll see him around the Villa first team before the end of the season unless he stays on loan, in which case we'll see a lot of him in pre-season and we'll go from there.
I don't think it's being over excited to suggest that his performances in the last 5-6 weeks are impressive, but I will admit to being more optimistic about him and most of the 'next big thing' players we've had in the last 10years or so, I think he, like Gabby, is able to raise himself for the important games from what I've seen, which is a great quality in a young player.
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Chelsea are taking Patrick Bamford away from MK Dons and he's going to Derby I think. I'd like to see us do the same with grealish and carruthers. Just not sure either have quite done enough in league one yet for championship clubs to want them.if that is right (and it may not be) that seems a fairly reliable sign that they're not likely to be in the villa side too soon.
Everton did the same with Ross Barkley. Div one then championship then first team. Hard to argue with the logic of it
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Bare in mind that Grealish is 18 and time is on his side. If a Championship side want him and he'll get games, sure but otherwise he can stay where he is and maybe go to a Championship side next season.
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Speaking to Notts County ST holder yesterday: he wonders why Grealish is still there; reckons he needs to be playing at a higher level.
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Speaking to Notts County ST holder yesterday: he wonders why Grealish is still there; reckons he needs to be playing at a higher level.
The loan is due to finish in just over a week, why bother calling him back early when we only have to wait until the 12th and then we have the rest of the month to see if we can find a championship club for him to go to (or see if he's ready for a few sub appearances for the first team).
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Speaking to Notts County ST holder yesterday: he wonders why Grealish is still there; reckons he needs to be playing at a higher level.
The loan is due to finish in just over a week, why bother calling him back early when we only have to wait until the 12th and then we have the rest of the month to see if we can find a championship club for him to go to (or see if he's ready for a few sub appearances for the first team).
As long as he stays out on loan for the majority of the time then I don't mind. May be a few weeks back at Villa to check how he's developed. As above, he can have a season in the championship next year.
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I'd be tempted to keep him at the club until the end of the month and maybe have him in the squad for a game or 2, show him that he's in the thinking, then send him out to get a bit more experience at a championship club.
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Early days but lambert does seem to have a better idea of how to develop our young player. Nurturing them rather than letting them rip it up in the reserves and then throw then into the first team during an injury crisis.
There was a good interview with Martinez a few months back where he said English players are the equal of spain up to the age of about 18. After that the spanish players go to their feeder clubs and play loads of competitive matches whereas their english counterparts get a handful of reserve matches. By the time they're 23 the Spanish version are much better players.
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Grealish is going for his next loan to Peterborough
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Grealish is going for his next loan to Peterborough
FFS. Can't we send Weimann to Peterborough and give this kid a try instead?
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Grealish is going for his next loan to Peterborough
Is that true? I'm not sure there's much point in that to be honest as he's just starting to gel with Notts County.
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It's on a Posh website it says it's up to Jack if he goes or not or stays at County
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Surely it is better for him to be playing in a side nearer the top than the bottom. So long as he does play.
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Surely it is better for him to be playing in a side nearer the top than the bottom. So long as he does play.
Maybe, but I don't think it should necessarily be the deciding factor.
He's done OK for County. If he is going to stay out on loan (and, depending on what happens in this transfer window, I am not too sure he should), then there's maybe an argument that he should stay where he is now and build on the good start, rather than getting shipped off elsewhere to start all over again. He's a young kid, it'd mean another new dressing room and training regime to get used to.
Also, Notts County being near the arse end of League One is a much better reflection of the style of play he'd need to work with if he starts for us, more so than Peterborough near the top /obligatory_villa_joke
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Yes, they like him at Notts County and he seems to be enjoying playing there, why move him now unless it is to a team that is a much bigger step up, which Peterborough, with due respect, aren't.
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I think it can be beneficial to a young player to play under different coaches and to learn different philosophies. Peterborough are at the right end of the table so they will have better players for him to work alongside and they seem very keen to get him so presumably he will be a regular - which is the most important factor. Villa have accepted the loan bid but they have given the lad himself the choice as to whether he stays with Notts or goes to Peterborough.
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Nowt on posh website
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Hes staying put at Notts. Jacks older brother Kevan is a regular poster on VillaTalk and he had this to say:
Well... dads just had a phone call from Villa. Apparently the past few days have been pretty hectic. Meaning a lot of teams have came in for jack.
Notts county, Peterborough, Wolves, Huddersfield, Bradford,Rotherham and one more club...
BIRMINGHAM CITY ON A ONE MONTH EMERGENCY LOAN :lol:
Dont worry, dad told em he'd rather send him irish dancing than move to the blues. UTV.
and later:
Can confirm that Jack wants to stay at Notts County..
Fans love him and he really likes Derry. A great down to earth person. He will be signing for them soon. I hope now hes found his feet he can help steer them away from the relegation fight.
Seems pretty sensible to me. If he's going to stay in League 1 then he might as well stay where he's settled, made friends and fitted in with the rest of the team.
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I would have been happy either way as long as he was getting games but it's good to see he's loyal to the club he's currently at.
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I used to know his dad, I bet he really did say that about the Irish dancing.
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Much better fighting a relegation battle than going to the Posh. Prepare him for what's to come in our first team.
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Playing every week there will do him better than a few substitute appearances for us. Good luck to him.
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How's Samir doing at MK Dons? I've not heard anythinh about him since he got married to Deirdre and was attacked by those BNP blokes in a dark alleyway.
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Grealish staying at Notts County until the end of the season!
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Jack Grealish wins Notts County Goal of the Month for December -
http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/article/jack-voted-gotm-1279763.aspx?
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Samir Carruthers extends his loan at MK Dons:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3608235,00.html?
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It sounds like we're sending Jordan Graham out on loan to Bradford. As part of a deal for one of their strikers possibly?
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It sounds like we're sending Jordan Graham out on loan to Bradford. As part of a deal for one of their strikers possibly?
Interesting. Maybe we'll get Wells then. At the very least it's a good level for Graham to get some games.
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Still shudder every time it hear Bradford City :-)
Good luck to him, hope he gets a proper run there
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It seems obvious Lambert doesnt like or rate Carruthers. With our midfield lacking somewhat and Carruthers having some level of skill you would hope he would be given a chance to prove himself. But no he hasn't.
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I'd be weary of any off our promising young players being thrown in now when we're struggling - it could really hurt them.
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It seems obvious Lambert doesnt like or rate Carruthers. With our midfield lacking somewhat and Carruthers having some level of skill you would hope he would be given a chance to prove himself. But no he hasn't.
Samir has a questionnable attitude sometimes, that seems to be something that is holding him back. There was some phone incident, albeit minor, shortly after Lambert had arrived, which really put Samir two steps back having broken through and been quite impressive under McLeish.
When I've seen him play, mostly in pre-season, he's reminded me a lot of Craig Bellamy. Has skill but he's a niggly player. He seems easily wound up, when he's not trying to wind someone up, and he moans a lot. I think he might have a touch of the billy bigs about him, who knows, that's how I read it, so perhaps it's why Lambert's not particularly taken to him just yet.
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It seems obvious Lambert doesnt like or rate Carruthers. With our midfield lacking somewhat and Carruthers having some level of skill you would hope he would be given a chance to prove himself. But no he hasn't.
Hhmmm I'd say the opposite to be honest. The players who are loaned in this careful manner are the ones I think he is grooming for the first team. The way it's been handled requires to much management/time/effort to suggest he doesn't care. If he didnt care he'd either be training with the stiffs or on a season long loan like the Fonz.
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It sounds like we're sending Jordan Graham out on loan to Bradford. As part of a deal for one of their strikers possibly?
Confirmed as a one month loan deal. Will report if he gets a game!
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Surely it is better for him to be playing in a side nearer the top than the bottom. So long as he does play.
He's a young kid, it'd mean another new dressing room and training regime to get used to.
This.
The loan process is not about skill or technique it is about hardening off young talent. Only game time among men can do this. So the current form or position of the loaning club is irrelevant. The quality of the manager and coaches at the loaning club is more important. As is the opinion of the young player in question.
For instance - one player in question here was highly sought after - even prompting the city's third team to make a cheeky offer to take him on loan. He could stay at home in familiar surroundings they said. The player said no - in fact he said - **** off - and returned to the down and dirty battle he had already begun.
Which shows character and a sense of what playing for Villa means. Put these qualities together with undoubted talent and I think we have a future to be excited about. Our senior young talents need to be out and playing against men - getting shoved, pushed, and bullied - they do not need to be strolling past other pampered boys in the hot house environment of Premiership Academies. It may make us feel good about our academy set up - but it doesn't help the first team - and without hardening and strengthening - these young talents are not quite ready for the premier league.
In this, Lambert is doing the right thing, the likes of Grealish and Carruthers need to be out playing and learning and taking their lumps - if nothing else it will make them stronger and having tasted life as a professional in the lower leagues they will return to us with an understanding of what a privilege it is to play for a club like Aston Villa FC.
UTV
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In this, Lambert is doing the right thing, the likes of Grealish and Carruthers need to be out playing and learning and taking their lumps - if nothing else it will make them stronger and having tasted life as a professional in the lower leagues they will return to us with an understanding of what a privilege it is to play for a club like Aston Villa FC.
I think pushing home the ' be thankful where you are' message is the main thing with Carruthers. As mentioned above he seems to have a bit of a cockiness about him, I have no issue with sportsmen knowing how good they are, but only when you've done it, you earn the right to be full of yourself and carruthers comes across as someone who needs to be reminded of that, which a season in league 1 should do. If he can get his head down and carry on working at his game he's got the talent to make it now we need to get him mentally right for it.
Grealish is different, with him I think it's all about getting game time, he has massive potential and drifts away from tackles effortlessly but he needs to learn when to do that and when to play the simple passes. In the last month he's started to adapt and he's scoring and creating goals pretty regularly since the start of December. I think his attitude is spot on though, looks like he's having fun and he's always trying to get involved.
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If MK Dons want to extend his loan deal Carruthers must be doing something right.
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On the subject of players thinking they've made it when they haven't, I was talking to an Albion fan yesterday. He said that Berahino has a huge ego and that he's becoming more of a problem because of it. Nothing to do with us but I thought it fell into the conversation about young players' attitudes.
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I think lambert has made clear that he feels the youth and reserve league is weak preparation for the Prem, both in standard of football and leaving players too cosseted. And you get the impression that he may think the likes of bannan, delfouneso, etc didn't benefit from being too protected - and too well paid - too early
I agree. I think clark wouldn't have struggled like he did last year if he'd had a year in the lower leagues earlier in his career
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On the subject of players thinking they've made it when they haven't, I was talking to an Albion fan yesterday. He said that Berahino has a huge ego and that he's becoming more of a problem because of it. Nothing to do with us but I thought it fell into the conversation about young players' attitudes.
I've heard the opposite from a couple of coaches at the club who also work part-time at my son's school. They have nothing but good words to say about him and his attitude, He had a couple of decent offers when his contract was running down last year but chose to stay at West Brom because they gave him his chance.
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On the subject of players thinking they've made it when they haven't, I was talking to an Albion fan yesterday. He said that Berahino has a huge ego and that he's becoming more of a problem because of it. Nothing to do with us but I thought it fell into the conversation about young players' attitudes.
I've heard the opposite from a couple of coaches at the club who also work part-time at my son's school. They have nothing but good words to say about him and his attitude, He had a couple of decent offers when his contract was running down last year but chose to stay at West Brom because they gave him his chance.
Fair enough. Makes me wonder why this Albion fan would have this view though, unless it's just an unfounded rumour that's circling their fans that he's been suckered into.
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Grealish recalled?
Jack Grealish @JackGrealish1
A true piece on my future for this season. I am going back 2 villa on Monday and we'll see what happens from there pic.twitter.com/vWNTP6cspf
https://twitter.com/jackgrealish1/status/422110274846732288
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Notts County 2 Sheffield United 1: Man of the match? Jack Grealish
Meadow Lane was absolutely bouncing today as Notts County came from behind to beat relegation threatened rivals Sheffield United 2-1 today.
A wonderful team performance left Shaun Derry beaming, and with two home wins on the bounce and seemingly a very strong bond in the changing room, there are very few negatives around at County right now.
However, as good a team performance as it was, one man stood out for Notts – as he has so often this season – gliding forward whenever he had the ball, bringing his side with him, continually making the right decisions on the ball, spreading the play, coming inside off his wing and popping up all over the place: Jack Grealish.
And here we stumble upon one of the only negatives rolling round Meadow Lane tonight, as today could be his last game for the club.
On loan from Aston Villa, his contract with Notts runs out on Monday and as yet, hasn’t been extended.
Grealish himself has said he’d like to stay, and manager Shaun Derry has made it abundantly clear that he wants to keep the 18-year-old winger, but Aston Villa have yet to play their hand and there’s talk that he may move on to a club a little higher in League One, or even up to the Championship.
“Jack has to go back to Villa on Monday to discuss his short term future, but long term he’ll be playing for Aston Villa, that’s for sure,” said Derry after the game, who is clearly a huge fan of the youngster.
“He’s got numerous options but next season Jack’s got the ability to play for Villa and let’s hope here at Notts County we can help him on his way.”
If Derry can indeed keep hold of the stylish winger, it’ll help his quest to keep County up no end.
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Jamal Campbell-Ryce, playing on the opposite wing to Grealish today, was exceptional too, setting up Enoch Showunmi’s equalising goal and terrorising the Sheffield United defence in the first half.
But he quietened down a little in the second period, whilst Grealish remained prominent throughout, picking up the ball all across the line and generally always beating a man before picking out the right pass.
County’s winning goal was set up by Alan Sheehan, who whipped in a delicious ball from left back, but it was Grealish, breaking through the centre, who played the defender in initially.
Then, in the last two minutes with his side hanging on for victory, Grealish found himself on the halfway line surrounded by three defenders but somehow he glided through – and he really does glide, covering the ground with an admirable elegance – made his way down the line and won a corner to take the pressure off his own defence.
It was a wonderfully mature display from a very young footballer, a footballer who is clearly destined for bigger and better things – but let’s just hope he sticks around at Notts for a little while longer yet.
George Solomon
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Grealish shows us how to beat Sheff Utd then.
Get him back and get him in the squad. We don't look remotely close to a signing at the moment. Jack seems to have a good brain on him, and it's something very difficult to teach. If he has that naturally then that's a great start.
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I think lambert has made clear that he feels the youth and reserve league is weak preparation for the Prem, both in standard of football and leaving players too cosseted. And you get the impression that he may think the likes of bannan, delfouneso, etc didn't benefit from being too protected - and too well paid - too early
I agree. I think clark wouldn't have struggled like he did last year if he'd had a year in the lower leagues earlier in his career
Walsall have a player called Lakovic on loan from Chelsea for the season. He had a slow start but has come alive over the last 6 weeks. Apparently when he came in his fitness was nowhere near what was required for competitive lower league football. I think the reserve league has had it's day, half the teams don't even bother with reserve teams anymore and it just doesn't stretch players once they're too old to play for the youth team so I'm all for sending as many of them out on loan as possible. I couldn't give a stuff if we don't win another youth tournament.
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Just watching Southampton on MOTD. I wonder if Grealish could be a Lallana type player? Not got great pace and very slight. But technically very good. Better drifting between the lines than hugging the touch line perhaps
Love the thought of him coming back to villa and helping add creativity to the team. But suspect its just a bit early for him
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We desperately need options in midfield.
I wouldn't deduce from his performances at Notts County that Grealish is read to play for us, far from it, but what I would say is that if there is even a tiny chance we won't add quality players to our midfield in this window, I would hold back on letting Grealish go on loan anywhere, whether it be an extension at County or a deal elsewhere.
Our requirement for options in midfield is far more pressing than our need to get more experience under the belt of one of our kids.
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I agree, but how about next season?
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I think lambert has made clear that he feels the youth and reserve league is weak preparation for the Prem, both in standard of football and leaving players too cosseted. And you get the impression that he may think the likes of bannan, delfouneso, etc didn't benefit from being too protected - and too well paid - too early
I agree. I think clark wouldn't have struggled like he did last year if he'd had a year in the lower leagues earlier in his career
one of the few decent calls he has made in his time at the club. clark and baker should have had a season or two adult football inside them before they were ready for the first team.
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One of the few decent calls? Bit over the top isn't it?!
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Our use of the loan system under MON was atrocious.
Looking back at 09/10, Fonz, Clark, Bannan, Albrighton, none of them went out on loan at all during the season which was ridiculous when you think we actually went out of Europe very earlier that season.
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So true. At 18 if they think they are destined for the first team they should be on 12 month loans getting first team football somewhere. It is the only way they get proper match experience.
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Our use of the loan system under MON was atrocious.
Looking back at 09/10, Fonz, Clark, Bannan, Albrighton, none of them went out on loan at all during the season which was ridiculous when you think we actually went out of Europe very earlier that season.
MON was clueless in a number of areas. Youth development being one of them.
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Grealish has a long way to go, but he has that thing about him where he appears to have more time on the ball than anyone else. Of course that's at League One level, but it's not a bad start.
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Grealish has a long way to go, but he has that thing about him where he appears to have more time on the ball than anyone else. Of course that's at League One level, but it's not a bad start.
This is why I'm excited about him, he has all the time he wants and if people try to rush him he drifts away effortlessly. He does have a long way to go but those 2 things mean he's got a better chance than most. Looking at the way he plays and reading comments from coaches, etc I think he's got the right attitude as well.
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Notts County 2 Sheffield United 1: Man of the match? Jack Grealish
Posted on Saturday, January 11th, 2014 in National and International Sport, Sports, Sports News.
Meadow Lane was absolutely bouncing today as Notts County came from behind to beat relegation threatened rivals Sheffield United 2-1 today.
A wonderful team performance left Shaun Derry beaming, and with two home wins on the bounce and seemingly a very strong bond in the changing room, there are very few negatives around at County right now.
However, as good a team performance as it was, one man stood out for Notts – as he has so often this season – gliding forward whenever he had the ball, bringing his side with him, continually making the right decisions on the ball, spreading the play, coming inside off his wing and popping up all over the place: Jack Grealish.
And here we stumble upon one of the only negatives rolling round Meadow Lane tonight, as today could be his last game for the club.
On loan from Aston Villa, his contract with Notts runs out on Monday and as yet, hasn’t been extended.
Grealish himself has said he’d like to stay, and manager Shaun Derry has made it abundantly clear that he wants to keep the 18-year-old winger, but Aston Villa have yet to play their hand and there’s talk that he may move on to a club a little higher in League One, or even up to the Championship.
“Jack has to go back to Villa on Monday to discuss his short term future, but long term he’ll be playing for Aston Villa, that’s for sure,” said Derry after the game, who is clearly a huge fan of the youngster.
“He’s got numerous options but next season Jack’s got the ability to play for Villa and let’s hope here at Notts County we can help him on his way.”
If Derry can indeed keep hold of the stylish winger, it’ll help his quest to keep County up no end.
Jamal Campbell-Ryce, playing on the opposite wing to Grealish today, was exceptional too, setting up Enoch Showunmi’s equalising goal and terrorising the Sheffield United defence in the first half.
But he quietened down a little in the second period, whilst Grealish remained prominent throughout, picking up the ball all across the line and generally always beating a man before picking out the right pass.
County’s winning goal was set up by Alan Sheehan, who whipped in a delicious ball from left back, but it was Grealish, breaking through the centre, who played the defender in initially.
Then, in the last two minutes with his side hanging on for victory, Grealish found himself on the halfway line surrounded by three defenders but somehow he glided through – and he really does glide, covering the ground with an admirable elegance – made his way down the line and won a corner to take the pressure off his own defence.
It was a wonderfully mature display from a very young footballer, a footballer who is clearly destined for bigger and better things – but let’s just hope he sticks around at Notts for a little while longer yet.
George Solomon
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Well-written piece by Solomon, and I have to say my excitement about this kid grows every match.
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Grealish has a long way to go, but he has that thing about him where he appears to have more time on the ball than anyone else. Of course that's at League One level, but it's not a bad start.
Agreed. In the same way that Chris Waddle made more time on the ball than you thought he had.
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Grealish has a long way to go, but he has that thing about him where he appears to have more time on the ball than anyone else. Of course that's at League One level, but it's not a bad start.
Agreed. In the same way that Chris Waddle made more time on the ball than you thought he had.
All great sportsmen are the ones who look like they have the most time at the highest level. Federer, for instance, or Sachin Tendulkar at his best, seem to have more time than anyone else.
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The comments about him finding time on the ball and making the right decisions are both very encouraging to be fair.
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I think the difference with Jack and other academy prospects is that he is out there doing it against men and proving himself on a competitive stage. It's all very good standing out against players your own age but he is clearly showing that he has the ability and the temperament for the professional game at a very young age. I'm really excited about this one, I hope he can be the gem in the crown.
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I think the difference with Jack and other academy prospects is that he is out there doing it against men and proving himself on a competitive stage. It's all very good standing out against players your own age but he is clearly showing that he has the ability and the temperament for the professional game at a very young age. I'm really excited about this one, I hope he can be the gem in the crown.
Exactly. And in the lower leagues there's no protection for skillful players against the wardrobe-sized monsters who batter them mercilessly and without punishment. Grealish is getting a very good training in looking after himself.
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I think leaving Grealish out on loan for the season is a good idea. I'd have no problem with bringing Caruthers back though, he's had a sniff of the first team already and he'd be another useful option off the bench.
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Grealish should stay at Notts County for the remainder of the season, where he is getting game time and becoming a vital player in their set up. Next season he should be loaned to a Championship team provided he is guaranteed a decent amount of game time. Then in 2015 he will be ready to challenge for a first team spot at VP.
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Appears we've recalled him just to play in a youth cup tie this week!
Apologies for anyone who's going to that game but I couldn't give a stuff about that or if we never win another youth tournament. We've seen from the past 5-6 years that winning regularly at that level doesn't produce premier league winners. I'd much rather the promising ones were all out on loan particularly as the next gen tournament which was decent has been scrapped.
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I was surprised he didn't play against Plymouth in the last round. Clubs rarely loan out U18 players. Just about Every England International will have played for their club in the FA Youth Cup. We won it with a team containing Little, Gidman and Bobby McDonald. We beat Liverpool in the final who had Phil Thompson playing and Birmingham in the Semi who fielded Trevor Francis, Kenny Burns and Joe Gallagher.
Gordan Cowans, Gary Shaw, Mark Walters, Gabby etc all played in it. Our last team that won the Cup beat an Everton team including Wayne Rooney in the final. I watched the Villa play Utd at Bodymore last season in a youth league game and they had Janusaj playing so I am sure he played in their FA Youth Cup Team.
The Youth Cup has a history and is one of the few times that U18 players get to play on the Main Ground with a bit of a crowd there.
For any pro it is important and it is something you remember and there is a different pressure to other youth games.
It is too easy to say Loan out all the players. It doesn't work like that. The whole point of the Youth Team is to provide players for the first team. Do you think Tony McAndrew isn't aware of that ?
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Gary Gardner should be out in the Championship on loan, IMO. He's not getting much game time with us right now.
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It's Bodymoor.
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Gary Gardner should be out in the Championship on loan, IMO. He's not getting much game time with us right now.
It did Albrighton the world of good
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Appears we've recalled him just to play in a youth cup tie this week!
Apologies for anyone who's going to that game but I couldn't give a stuff about that or if we never win another youth tournament. We've seen from the past 5-6 years that winning regularly at that level doesn't produce premier league winners. I'd much rather the promising ones were all out on loan particularly as the next gen tournament which was decent has been scrapped.
Cool your jets, Matt Kendrick tweeted that Jack is expected to rejoin Nott County on loan after the Youth Cup tie.
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So Grealish does what our First Team couldn't and runs rings round the Blades. Good lad.
Excellent, I hope his development continues being managed in the right way.
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Sounds like Samir Carruthers had a good game against Wigan last night;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25633547
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Michael Drennan has gone to Carlisle on loan. He's not long come back from a long injury so this may do him some good.
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Nottingham Post (http://www.nottinghampost.com/Notts-County-delight-Aston-Villa-starlet-Jack/story-20458742-detail/story.html)
Notts County delight as Aston Villa starlet Jack Grealish signs loan deal until the end of the season
Notts County's relegation fight was given a huge boost this afternoon as Aston Villa starlet Jack Grealish returned to the club on loan.
The talented winger has penned a deal until the end of the season as the Post revealed on Thursday.
Grealish has been a revelation for Notts during his spell at the club where he has scored three goals in 19 appearances.
He has developed enormously during his stay with a number of scouts monitoring his progress.
But despite rumoured interest from Peterborough, Grealish had his heart set on a return to Meadow Lane.
A club statement this afternoon read: "The club would like to thank Aston Villa for allowing Jack to rejoin the Magpies and for the professional and efficient manner in which they have handled discussions over the loan deal."
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Good news.
I've only just realised that Siegrist is on loan at Burton, any idea how he's getting on?
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I don't think he's been playing.
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Nottingham Post (http://www.nottinghampost.com/Notts-County-delight-Aston-Villa-starlet-Jack/story-20458742-detail/story.html)
Notts County delight as Aston Villa starlet Jack Grealish signs loan deal until the end of the season
Notts County's relegation fight was given a huge boost this afternoon as Aston Villa starlet Jack Grealish returned to the club on loan.
The talented winger has penned a deal until the end of the season as the Post revealed on Thursday.
Grealish has been a revelation for Notts during his spell at the club where he has scored three goals in 19 appearances.
He has developed enormously during his stay with a number of scouts monitoring his progress.
But despite rumoured interest from Peterborough, Grealish had his heart set on a return to Meadow Lane.
A club statement this afternoon read: "The club would like to thank Aston Villa for allowing Jack to rejoin the Magpies and for the professional and efficient manner in which they have handled discussions over the loan deal."
Jack seems to be remarkably popular there. With the club.the media,and the fans.
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And the manager who was saying he thought that jack would be part of our first team next season.
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Did he specify next season? I thought he just said that he was a Villa player and would be playing in the first team at some point.
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Good news.
I've only just realised that Siegrist is on loan at Burton, any idea how he's getting on?
Hasn't played for them at all, has been on the bench since he got there.
A bit pointless him being there really, I hope we recall him and send him somewhere he'll get a game.
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Grealish off injured after 30 odd minutes today!!
Anyone got details or severity?
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Grealish off injured after 30 odd minutes today!!
Anyone got details or severity?
Listening to the local radio coverage of Stevenage V Notts County it would seem that the Stevenage players singled out our Jack as the man who can and for 30 minutes gave him a bit of a seeing to. The injury sounded no more than a dead leg and I think Derry took him off as more of a precaution than anything else- good man.
Stevenage are a dirty bunch and are well known for dishing it out.
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Anybody seen the Shay Given save that the Middlesbrough fans are raving about? It got mentioned on Goals On Sunday as the Boro fans were requesting it and there were comments along the lines of it being the best save they've seen in 30 years.
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Anybody seen the Shay Given save that the Middlesbrough fans are raving about. It got mentioned on Goals On Sunday as the Boro fans were requesting it and there were comments along the lines of it being the best save they've seen in 30 years.
He seems happy and in really good form for them. The sensible thing for all parties would be to sort out a deal relieving us of much of his wages and him staying. I would assume he has decent roots in the area having played for Newcastle for so long
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It's clear what they think about him
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=402&fid=17&sty=2&act=1&mid=2111650637
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How much do Boro pay out nowadays, I'd imagine they'd have severely costcutted now they've been away from the prem for a good few years.
With us not playing at the weekend, I'm probably going to Notts County v Walsall so will report on how Grealish gets on against a good league 1 team if he's fit.
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Graham didnt get on v sheff utd for Bradford but hopefully will have some opp to play in a competitive division
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Horrendous tackle on our Jack
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2014/1/19/5324598/jack-grealish-injured-by-horror-tackle-while-playing-for-notts-county
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Any chance you can
Spell his surname correctly. Fix the link
Thank you for making the changes.
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Any chance you can
- Spell his surname correctly.
Fix the link
Any chance you can use some manners? ;)
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Good to see Hutton back in action. Was kind of hoping someone would do this to Suarez yesterday!
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Any chance you can
- Spell his surname correctly.
Fix the link
Any chance you can use some manners? ;)
I agree.
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@JackGrealish1: Tackle wasn't intentional nopeeee. Ah well it's gone now. Hopefully be fit again soon! Good luck 2 Stevenag... https://t.co/icmGWz0E6P
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That's a cracking tackle. Did the guy get set off?
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bloody hell thats nasty
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It may sound harsh but this is part of the point of sending him out on loan. In the lower leagues they will hit you with stuff you'd never dream of seeing in the reserves or youth leagues. Ideally, of course, you'd prefer him not to endure tackles which might cripple his career before it's begun, but he's got out of it without a serious injury and will be tougher for the experience.
Mind you, if I had to play against him I might kick him as well. That Notts County fan writer wasn't lying, he really does glide across the pitch, his technique is really secure.
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"As for Jack Grealish, the gaffer has been quoted by the Nottingham Post talking about the need to protect flair players as best we can, not from genuine challenges, but from tough fouls - such as the one that saw him substituted in the game against Stevenage.
Stevenage were the second side following Sheffield United to give the proverbial 'kick' to let him know they were there and Grealish can be thankful he only picked up a dead leg in our recent match and not a far more serious injury, but he does still remain a doubt for tonight's match.
'Jack was in on Sunday and saw the medical staff early yesterday as well. He took a pretty hefty dead leg from what I thought, at the time, was a really bad tackle. Looking back at the incident on video it simply clarified my thoughts.'
Derry goes on to say that it does anger him when you see a young player of his skill singled out for such treatment where the only aim can be to put them out of the game, and he thinks referee's should be doing a far better job of stamping out such obvious instances as this.
'We're fortunate to have him here so let's not kick him off the park. It's happening too often and I thought Saturday was not far from a disgrace.'
The manager adds that as well as Jack having to learn to deal with such treatment unfortunately, and he knows it'll be a wake up call from U21 football, he and Greg Abbott will also be working with him so he's clued in and can be more savvy to avoid being pummelled in games in the future, but the one thing he doesn't want to see is Grealish wilt through it and start to go missing, he wants him to rise to it, be better, be quicker, and when a team want to put him out of the game, get the best revenge possible - but them out of the game by the score line."
Read more: http://www.nottscounty.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=346428#ixzz2r36XzgxS
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He started tonight and has scored. Currently drawing 3-3.
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"As for Jack Grealish, the gaffer has been quoted by the Nottingham Post talking about the need to protect flair players as best we can, not from genuine challenges, but from tough fouls - such as the one that saw him substituted in the game against Stevenage.
Stevenage were the second side following Sheffield United to give the proverbial 'kick' to let him know they were there and Grealish can be thankful he only picked up a dead leg in our recent match and not a far more serious injury, but he does still remain a doubt for tonight's match.
'Jack was in on Sunday and saw the medical staff early yesterday as well. He took a pretty hefty dead leg from what I thought, at the time, was a really bad tackle. Looking back at the incident on video it simply clarified my thoughts.'
Derry goes on to say that it does anger him when you see a young player of his skill singled out for such treatment where the only aim can be to put them out of the game, and he thinks referee's should be doing a far better job of stamping out such obvious instances as this.
'We're fortunate to have him here so let's not kick him off the park. It's happening too often and I thought Saturday was not far from a disgrace.'
The manager adds that as well as Jack having to learn to deal with such treatment unfortunately, and he knows it'll be a wake up call from U21 football, he and Greg Abbott will also be working with him so he's clued in and can be more savvy to avoid being pummelled in games in the future, but the one thing he doesn't want to see is Grealish wilt through it and start to go missing, he wants him to rise to it, be better, be quicker, and when a team want to put him out of the game, get the best revenge possible - but them out of the game by the score line."
Read more: http://www.nottscounty.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=346428#ixzz2r36XzgxS
Little bit of irony from Shaun Derry criticising heavy tackles given some of the stick he dished out as a player. He woud have done exactly that in his time!
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Man of the Match poll on County Forum.
Bialkowski 0%
Sheehan 0%
Murray 0%
Fotheringham 0%
Smith 0%
Leacock 0%
Grealish 100%
Boucaud 0%
Showunmi 0%
Freeman 0%
Campbell-Ryce 0%
Sub - Ball
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He started tonight and has scored. Currently drawing 3-3.
Posh win 4-3, sounds like a crazy game.
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At what point can we start getting excited by Grealish?
How many had voted when that poll was cut and paste? One?
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The last one to make such a positive impression on loan was Cahill, he didn't end up doing too bad for himself
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Get him back asap, don't let him be another 'promising youngster aged 26'
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Get him back asap, don't let him be another 'promising youngster aged 26'
Complete opposite. The most important thing is he is getting games and match savvy.
In the future, that experience will be worth way more than sitting our bench or having his confidence ruined by a bad 4 months in the Premier League.
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He started tonight and has scored. Currently drawing 3-3.
Posh win 4-3, sounds like a crazy game.
Notts County were 2-0 up and then had a man sent off.
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He started tonight and has scored. Currently drawing 3-3.
Posh win 4-3, sounds like a crazy game.
Notts County were 2-0 up and then had a man sent off.
And that was 15 minutes in. Proper effin' game, that.
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Get him back asap, don't let him be another 'promising youngster aged 26'
No. Next season he should go on loan to a top Championship club and would then be ready to come into our first team in 2015.
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Get him back asap, don't let him be another 'promising youngster aged 26'
No. Next season he should go on loan to a top Championship club and would then be ready to come into our first team in 2015.
What he said. ^^^^^
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He's not long turned 18, we have lots of time to let him develop. A few months at a decent championship club early next year and then see where he is, if he carries on improving as he has in the last 18months I doubt we'll be waiting all that long.
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Get him back asap, don't let him be another 'promising youngster aged 26'
No. Next season he should go on loan to a top Championship club and would then be ready to come into our first team in 2015.
I'd give him a long look in pre-season games and maybe a couple of appearances as sub in August and then make a decision.
If Jack's as good as he looks, then maybe Villa only need a short term "10" (eg Hotlips).
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And make sure he's on a good, long contract!
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Get him back asap, don't let him be another 'promising youngster aged 26'
No. Next season he should go on loan to a top Championship club and would then be ready to come into our first team in 2015.
I'd give him a long look in pre-season games and maybe a couple of appearances as sub in August and then make a decision.
If Jack's as good as he looks, then maybe Villa only need a short term "10" (eg Hotlips).
As soon as we were linked with Hoolahan that was my thinking, With Carruthers as well I'm pretty sure that the thinking is to get someone they can learn from for a couple of years and see if 1 or both can force themselves into the team.
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A pre-season with the first team, blood him as a sub in a few Premier League games and the League Cup, then off to the Championship for the rest of the season.
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I'm not sure that we'll need to loan him out again next season. he's only 9 months younger than Raheem Sterling who's been featuring in the Liverpool first-team squad since last summer. I think he's already done enough to prove he can handle the physical side of the lower leagues (and will only get stronger as he gets older), and I wouldn't be surprised if Lambert throws him straight-in next season.
I'm sure many will disagree but I already see more in him than I do in Albrighton, in that he has the ability to go past his man on either side, and seems to have excellent awareness about when to release the ball. If he impresses in pre-season, as he did last summer, I think Lambert will be reluctant to send him to the Championship.
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I'm not sure that we'll need to loan him out again next season. he's only 9 months younger than Raheem Sterling who's been featuring in the Liverpool first-team squad since last summer. I think he's already done enough to prove he can handle the physical side of the lower leagues (and will only get stronger as he gets older), and I wouldn't be surprised if Lambert throws him straight-in next season.
I'm sure many will disagree but I already see more in him than I do in Albrighton, in that he has the ability to go past his man on either side, and seems to have excellent awareness about when to release the ball. If he impresses in pre-season, as he did last summer, I think Lambert will be reluctant to send him to the Championship.
This is what I mean, too many times we protect our players, did you see the 18 year old playing for Man City last night...if he's good enough, not this season, but defo next after a pre season as a first team squad player..
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Wish somebody would buy him some shin pads and make him wear them!
But maybe he is good enough and fast enough to avoid the cloggers.
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It's really good that he played last night (and scored) having been clattered and taken-off at the weekend. Shows that he's made of pretty stern stuff.
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He seems to be involved in a lot of their goals. If he's not scoring himself, he's part of the build-up play.
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Hi all,
I was at the game last night. I live about 25 mins away from Peterborough. I try to watch them, as my local side, occasionally, and really wanted to get a good look at Grealish. I was pleased that he made the starting line-up, as he was rated something like 70-30 to be fit, given the injury he'd received against Stevenage at the weekend.
Have to say, he was good. Very good. I watched him with a critical eye, but even so, he was the best player on the pitch, IMO. Played left midfield and tended to pull more into the middle once Notts County were down to ten men (as has been posted, NC were 2-0 up inside six or seven mins but had a player sent off, straight red, after around 20 mins).
What I admired most about him was his close control. Faultless, on a pretty poor pitch that had passed an inspection at midday. He's one of those rare players who just glides past opponents, with an effortless style, never looking like losing the ball, or having to expend any energy to get past them. Played it simple whenever he could. He didn't really attempt to go outside his opponent though - even deployed wide, he rarely (if ever) moved to the touchline or tried to go around the defender. He looked like a No.10 in the making, happier to move inside and look for clever passes that way. He never seemed rushed, even under pressure, or panicked. I can't recall him giving the ball away.
What I didn't like so much was that, at times, he seemed more intent on hanging on to the ball and enjoying himself than trying to hurt the opposition. Maybe that's a bit unfair - County had a man short for most of the game. He was good at drawing fouls, too - there was a stage where one of the P'Boro midfielders had just been booked for a foul on him, and he seemed to be trying to tempt him into another rash challenge. Grealish was booked himself for time wasting in the first half. With socks rolled down (and I couldn't see any shin pads) and bright green boots, he wasn't popular with the home crowd, and it's easy to see why. He has to be careful while he's on loan and playing in League One.
He's not overtly quick, or strong, but held his own physically, even if Peterborough's midfield were on the smaller side (direct opponent, Swanson at RM, is 5ft 6ins - neither CM, McCann and Payne, are particularly tall).
He took his goal well - found a bit of space on the left hand side and then did show a burst of pace to go straight at the right-back, zip past him on the outside, and score with a decent low left finish.
All in all, I was impressed. Peterborough aren't in great form but are still one of the better sides in the division, and Grealish ran the game at times - to have that influence in a League One match at 18 years of age deserves credit. And with his team down to 10 men for the majority of the match.
Incidentally, the other lad who really caught the eye was County's RM: Freeman. Looked him up today and he's a 21-year-old on loan from Derby. Very tidy on the ball, nice footballer. Listed as a defender but played in midfield last night.
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He did really well in the build up to their 2nd, drifted away from a couple of challenges in the middle and then made the right decision to pass the ball out wide.
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Interesting Merv, great post!
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Great post Merv, really useful. So basically what you're saying is that his only flaw is that he sometimes realises he's the best player in the match? He won't have to worry about that in the Premier League at least, so it sounds like we have a real potential talent here.
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Another reason why he wouldn't have been popular with the home fans was that Peterbrough wanted to take him on loan too and he rejected them to stay with Notts County.
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I know its division 1 but he just glides with the ball at his feet , the way he come this season is great
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Great post Merv, really useful. So basically what you're saying is that his only flaw is that he sometimes realises he's the best player in the match? He won't have to worry about that in the Premier League at least, so it sounds like we have a real potential talent here.
Yes, I guess so. He looked, in every way, a cut above anyone else out there.
OCD - yep, Peterborough were in for him. A Posh fan asked me a couple of weeks ago what he was like. On the evidence of last night, a genuine talent.
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We went to see Jack Grealish play against the Saddlers on Saturday.
Despite the result, Jack had a good game, some nice touches, a few runs where he beat one or two defenders; he also won the free-kick that Notts scored from.
Walsall were superb -the passing and movement was a delight to watch. Admittedly, the home defence was an open door but Dean's Smith's lads could have had double figures.
A fairer score would have been about 4-8!
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Incidentally, the other lad who really caught the eye was County's RM: Freeman. Looked him up today and he's a 21-year-old on loan from Derby. Very tidy on the ball, nice footballer. Listed as a defender but played in midfield last night.
What was Nicky Ajose like? Interesting that for a 22 yr old he's already scoring at almost 1 in 2 (23 from 54) and the goals look good.
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Incidentally, the other lad who really caught the eye was County's RM: Freeman. Looked him up today and he's a 21-year-old on loan from Derby. Very tidy on the ball, nice footballer. Listed as a defender but played in midfield last night.
What was Nicky Ajose like? Interesting that for a 22 yr old he's already scoring at almost 1 in 2 (23 from 54) and the goals look good.
If nothing else his 2nd goal was a belter.
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@MatKendrick: Sent to Coventry: Nathan Delfouneso seems to have kicked his last ball for Villa after joining Coventry on loan #avfc http://t.co/6hG5BSi87u
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Even with Okore, Kozak and N'Zogbia injured, three of Lambert's signings, Bowery, Luna and Tonev can't make the 18, wonder whether a loan spell would help them?
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Bowery was playing for the U21s this afternoon.
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Yer I saw that, Herd is another one supposedly fit but not getting involved.
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Looks like an updated bomb squad is taking shape.
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Mat Kendrick @MatKendrick 58s
Villa forgotten man Jordan Bowery has joined Doncaster Rovers on a 28-day emergency loan #avfc
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Mat Kendrick @MatKendrick 58s
Villa forgotten man Jordan Bowery has joined Doncaster Rovers on a 28-day emergency loan #avfc
J-BOWZ gonna tear up the Championship
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Mat Kendrick @MatKendrick 58s
Villa forgotten man Jordan Bowery has joined Doncaster Rovers on a 28-day emergency loan #avfc
Good move for him. Hopefully he gets to play a few games while there. It's a very good level for him to be getting game time.
Bowery is also starting today it seems. Good luck to him. Will be interesting to see how he gets on at Championship level.
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He's getting thrown right into the thick of it as well - a relegation 6 pointer and a local Derby against Barnsley.
Barnsley have one of the worst defences in the league, and they're awful away from home so hopefully he can bag a few goals.
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Mat Kendrick @MatKendrick 58s
Villa forgotten man Jordan Bowery has joined Doncaster Rovers on a 28-day emergency loan #avfc
On the "Emergency Scale", at one end you have calling for International Rescue and at the other end you have calling for Jordan Bowery.
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Good luck to him, I don't think he'll ever make it at Villa but hopefully he'll have a decent career.
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Mat Kendrick @MatKendrick 58s
Villa forgotten man Jordan Bowery has joined Doncaster Rovers on a 28-day emergency loan #avfc
Hardly forgotten: they're about to name the dugout after him, following all his appearances in the matchday 18 (even if he didn;t actually get on the pitch that often).
Forgotten men: what about Helenius, or Herd?
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Brings to mind the conversation about what potential transfer values Lambert's signings have - I wonder what Doncaster have seen in Bowery over the past 18 months to think that he might be good enough even for the Championship?
The very fact that a Premier League club decided to spend a few hundred thousand on him to sit on the bench seems to make them think that someone who hasn't really played at a level higher than the league below where they are now is going to be good enough.
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Things must be bad for Doncaster if they've had to resort to an emergency loan for Bowery. Even worse now they've gone 0-1 down.
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1-1 now
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Bowery assist, too, by the sound of it
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Bowery assist, too, by the sound of it
Bring him back!!!
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Donny fans seemed happy with Bowery:
Cracking performance from young Jordan today, no surprise we went flat when he went off
He's got everything this guy pace, power and a fantastic work ethic young C Brown in the making.
And the 'nail on the head' comment:
Good performance from the lad. Great work rate but doesn't look like a natural goal scorer.
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Apparently Carruthers had a good game for Wimbledon as well
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Apparently Carruthers had a good game for Wimbledon as well
Just had a look on the football league show - scored a really nice goal for their equaliser beating three (!) challenges before slotting it in the corner, and their winner was a tap in after the keeper couldn't deal with his long range shot. Good stuff.
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Well, he's clearly too good for that level, and that just proves it. Whether or not he's ready for the top level is yet to be proven, but he's in danger of getting bored down there. Same as Grealish.
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Well, he's clearly too good for that level, and that just proves it. Whether or not he's ready for the top level is yet to be proven, but he's in danger of getting bored down there. Same as Grealish.
I could not see Tonev doing that at any level.
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Well, he's clearly too good for that level, and that just proves it. Whether or not he's ready for the top level is yet to be proven, but he's in danger of getting bored down there. Same as Grealish.
Absolutely. What's encouraging is they both seem to be enjoying their football, getting regular first team football and looking to make a step up. A few months on loan next season in the Championship with a decent team would be the next logical step before considering bringing them back home.
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Well, he's clearly too good for that level, and that just proves it. Whether or not he's ready for the top level is yet to be proven, but he's in danger of getting bored down there. Same as Grealish.
I could not see Tonev doing that at any level.
Except for in Poland, where he did it regularly I assume you mean?
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Well, he's clearly too good for that level, and that just proves it. Whether or not he's ready for the top level is yet to be proven, but he's in danger of getting bored down there. Same as Grealish.
It's taken Carruthers a little longer to start really influencing things though, if he carries on playing for the rest of the season then we can say he's too good for that level but 2 goals and 5 assists in 22 isn't a record which marks someone as clearly playing below their level. I like Carruthers and I think he'll be a good player but I'd be very surprised if, at this point, he's finding things so easy that he's getting bored. Grealish has a similar record (4 goals and 4 assists in 23), I think both have benefited greatly from being at that level for a year though and I think both will get game time in pre-season before we decide what to do with them next year.
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Carruthers is worth a punt now probably. It won't happen till next season but honestly, he had people off their seats 2 years ago in the brief cameos he had.
I'd have him back in the squad at the start of next season. He's at a key age. Grealish I'd loan to a Champ club for a couple of months then bed him in over Crimbo/new year.
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Well, he's clearly too good for that level, and that just proves it. Whether or not he's ready for the top level is yet to be proven, but he's in danger of getting bored down there. Same as Grealish.
It's taken Carruthers a little longer to start really influencing things though, if he carries on playing for the rest of the season then we can say he's too good for that level but 2 goals and 5 assists in 22 isn't a record which marks someone as clearly playing below their level. I like Carruthers and I think he'll be a good player but I'd be very surprised if, at this point, he's finding things so easy that he's getting bored. Grealish has a similar record (4 goals and 4 assists in 23), I think both have benefited greatly from being at that level for a year though and I think both will get game time in pre-season before we decide what to do with them next year.
Of course, I was being willfully excitable (God knows we're a bit starved of opportunities for that around here). However, too much is made of the assists statistic - I always thought it was a bullshit statistic, to tell the truth. Let's say a player dribbles round fifty players, passes to a guy in front of goal who passes to another guy who scores. Who gets the assist, and who caused the goal? Things like that are more common than the overblow of my analogy suggests.
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Well, he's clearly too good for that level, and that just proves it. Whether or not he's ready for the top level is yet to be proven, but he's in danger of getting bored down there. Same as Grealish.
It's taken Carruthers a little longer to start really influencing things though, if he carries on playing for the rest of the season then we can say he's too good for that level but 2 goals and 5 assists in 22 isn't a record which marks someone as clearly playing below their level. I like Carruthers and I think he'll be a good player but I'd be very surprised if, at this point, he's finding things so easy that he's getting bored. Grealish has a similar record (4 goals and 4 assists in 23), I think both have benefited greatly from being at that level for a year though and I think both will get game time in pre-season before we decide what to do with them next year.
Of course, I was being willfully excitable (God knows we're a bit starved of opportunities for that around here). However, too much is made of the assists statistic - I always thought it was a bullshit statistic, to tell the truth. Let's say a player dribbles round fifty players, passes to a guy in front of goal who passes to another guy who scores. Who gets the assist, and who caused the goal? Things like that are more common than the overblow of my analogy suggests.
I don't disagree at all, I also find the assists stat pretty useless (key passes is a much better measure but you don't get that one for league 1 games) but the stats back up the fact that mk dons fans seem to think he's a very good player without being clearly above that level.
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I think he's taken a while to get there but he's playing well above the level required now. Grealish has pretty much done that for most of the season, but Carruthers took a while. There now though, I think.
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Yeah, that's the impression I get as well.
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A few of my mates are MK Dons fans and they were more impressed by the chap from Chelsea than Carruthers, however now they're saying he looks a good, not great player. He also seems to be targeted a bit by the opposition which suggests his reputation is growing.
Therefore I think you're both right in your assessment that it's taken him a bit of time to get to the required level, which massively highlights how important loans are. I'm not sure there are any fans in the country who would be patient enough to afford a player a similar period for them to 'get up to speed' and this a few levels below the required level.
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From what I've read Carruthers has been pretty inconsistent at MK Dons, he started the season well and dropped off a little, and now he's coming back into form. Also he was apparently just as bad in the first half at the weekend as he was good in the second.
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Well, he's clearly too good for that level, and that just proves it. Whether or not he's ready for the top level is yet to be proven, but he's in danger of getting bored down there. Same as Grealish.
I could not see Tonev doing that at any level.
Except for in Poland, where he did it regularly I assume you mean?
Yes I think everyone else needed a bell in the ball.
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Bad taste CL
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Well, he's clearly too good for that level, and that just proves it. Whether or not he's ready for the top level is yet to be proven, but he's in danger of getting bored down there. Same as Grealish.
He's a winger who's just scored his first goal in three months. It hardly demonstrates he's too good for that level. I'd like to see him and grealish in the championship for a month or two at the start of next season and then see if they're good enough for the first team
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Carruthers has definitely got the ability. Whether he has the mentality and work ethic for the highest level is another matter. He fell foul of Lambert very early on, and it never seems to take long, or much for Lambert to make his mind up on a player. I noticed in pre-season with Carruthers that he carried himself on the pitch a little like Bellamy. Very niggly, moaned a lot, could lose his head a little at times and show a lot of frustration to team mates. Obviously with an aggressive player you don't want to curb that fire too much, but at the same time he needs to channel it in the right way. Hopefully his time at the Don's just grounds him a bit and will inspire him to knuckle down more when he's back here. He runs the risk of following in the path of Stefan and Delfouneso etc.
He does have a bit of unpredictability that could be useful for us. I'm hoping he has a very good pre-season.
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Well, he's clearly too good for that level, and that just proves it. Whether or not he's ready for the top level is yet to be proven, but he's in danger of getting bored down there. Same as Grealish.
He's a winger who's just scored his first goal in three months. It hardly demonstrates he's too good for that level. I'd like to see him and grealish in the championship for a month or two at the start of next season and then see if they're good enough for the first team
Both should be very involved in pre-season.
Grealish has time on his side. I would like to see him loaned to a good Championship team for the first half of next season and if we can, to a lower Premier League team second half of next season (otherwise, Championship).
Carruthers - probably the same but it really depends on his progression. There's no point in keeping him around the squad if he's not getting games.
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" if we can, to a lower Premier League team second half of next season (otherwise, Championship). "
You are leaving yourself wide open there OCD!!!
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Carruthers has definitely got the ability. Whether he has the mentality and work ethic for the highest level is another matter. He fell foul of Lambert very early on, and it never seems to take long, or much for Lambert to make his mind up on a player. I noticed in pre-season with Carruthers that he carried himself on the pitch a little like Bellamy. Very niggly, moaned a lot, could lose his head a little at times and show a lot of frustration to team mates. Obviously with an aggressive player you don't want to curb that fire too much, but at the same time he needs to channel it in the right way. Hopefully his time at the Don's just grounds him a bit and will inspire him to knuckle down more when he's back here. He runs the risk of following in the path of Stefan and Delfouneso etc.
He does have a bit of unpredictability that could be useful for us. I'm hoping he has a very good pre-season.
Not having a go at you specifically, but this thing about Lambert not rating our youngsters etc comes up a lot.
If he's already made his mind up on Carruthers and doesn't want him, why did Lambert give him a new contract last summer?
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Carruthers has definitely got the ability. Whether he has the mentality and work ethic for the highest level is another matter. He fell foul of Lambert very early on, and it never seems to take long, or much for Lambert to make his mind up on a player. I noticed in pre-season with Carruthers that he carried himself on the pitch a little like Bellamy. Very niggly, moaned a lot, could lose his head a little at times and show a lot of frustration to team mates. Obviously with an aggressive player you don't want to curb that fire too much, but at the same time he needs to channel it in the right way. Hopefully his time at the Don's just grounds him a bit and will inspire him to knuckle down more when he's back here. He runs the risk of following in the path of Stefan and Delfouneso etc.
He does have a bit of unpredictability that could be useful for us. I'm hoping he has a very good pre-season.
Not having a go at you specifically, but this thing about Lambert not rating our youngsters etc comes up a lot.
If he's already made his mind up on Carruthers and doesn't want him, why did Lambert give him a new contract last summer?
I didn't think he meant in terms of not rating young players, just any player who Lambert has a problem with (more so off the field) deserved or not doesn't often get an opportunity to make ammends.
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Carruthers has definitely got the ability. Whether he has the mentality and work ethic for the highest level is another matter. He fell foul of Lambert very early on, and it never seems to take long, or much for Lambert to make his mind up on a player. I noticed in pre-season with Carruthers that he carried himself on the pitch a little like Bellamy. Very niggly, moaned a lot, could lose his head a little at times and show a lot of frustration to team mates. Obviously with an aggressive player you don't want to curb that fire too much, but at the same time he needs to channel it in the right way. Hopefully his time at the Don's just grounds him a bit and will inspire him to knuckle down more when he's back here. He runs the risk of following in the path of Stefan and Delfouneso etc.
He does have a bit of unpredictability that could be useful for us. I'm hoping he has a very good pre-season.
Not having a go at you specifically, but this thing about Lambert not rating our youngsters etc comes up a lot.
If he's already made his mind up on Carruthers and doesn't want him, why did Lambert give him a new contract last summer?
I didn't think he meant in terms of not rating young players, just any player who Lambert has a problem with (more so off the field) deserved or not doesn't often get an opportunity to make ammends.
That is what I meant. I mean sometimes a player with Lambert has their card marked and they have to do a lot to reverse that. He clearly sees talent in Carruthers, but it would seem that the lad has to really up his game in order to force his way back. Again, going back to the pre-season games, Carruthers never really stood out unfortunately. At least not for the right reasons.
Conversely it also seems like Lowton has fallen foul of Lambert and is no longer on the favourites list. He's got to really do something special to pull his Villa career back on track. As we've seen previously, Lambert makes his mind up pretty sharpish and can be pretty stern in his stance. Reputations mean little either, as Bent found out.
I hope Carruthers gets another shot. The talent is there, he just needs the attitude and application to go with it.
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Carruthers used his phone at the training ground, right? Can someone tell me what he's done to make Lambert dislike him?
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His ringtone was the theme from Benny Hill.
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Carruthers used his phone at the training ground, right? Can someone tell me what he's done to make Lambert dislike him?
That was essentially it. Lambert came in, set his intentions very quickly, and Carruthers got on the wrong side very early. Harsh of course. There's been other passing suggestions that Carruthers could apply himself a bit better, similar to Bannan, but that's hearsay.
I guess we'll see what happens in pre-season. If Carruthers doesn't break the first team next season then time is running out to do so. Sounds funny saying that about a lad who'll be 21 in April.
But yeah last pre-season he didn't have enough of an impact in the games he played. Too much letting his gob do the talking and not his feet.
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Although you could equally argue that by virtue of the fact that he is out on loan getting experience that Lambert rates him and the other loanees as the closest to being ready for the first team. Not sure why, probably due to their age and previous experience, but I see bent, given and the fonz as being jettisoned whereas Grelish and Carruthers are being groomed for the first team.
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Although you could equally argue that by virtue of the fact that he is out on loan getting experience that Lambert rates him and the other loanees as the closest to being ready for the first team. Not sure why, probably due to their age and previous experience, but I see bent, given and the fonz as being jettisoned whereas Grelish and Carruthers are being groomed for the first team.
Hopefully. Pre-season will be interesting and the first months. You'd naturally assume the two lads will get sent to the championship next season to take another step to the top level.
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Although you could equally argue that by virtue of the fact that he is out on loan getting experience that Lambert rates him and the other loanees as the closest to being ready for the first team. Not sure why, probably due to their age and previous experience, but I see bent, given and the fonz as being jettisoned whereas Grelish and Carruthers are being groomed for the first team.
I agree completely with this, the loans of most of the youngsters seem to be about getting them gametime at a competitive level. Looking at the signings he's made they've all got a lot of games under their belts at a lower level, he's trying to get our own kids that same experience, but you'd hope that they will have the extra bit of quality (which led to them being premier league academy players) to add to it.
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From what I've read Carruthers has been pretty inconsistent at MK Dons, he started the season well and dropped off a little, and now he's coming back into form. Also he was apparently just as bad in the first half at the weekend as he was good in the second.
Fuck me, he'd slot right into our first team then.
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MKWEB (http://www.mkweb.co.uk/Sport/Football/MK-Dons/2013-2014/Football-Aston-Villa-winger-sent-for-scan-on-knee-injury-20140220113147.htm)
Football: Aston Villa winger sent for scan on knee injury
Samir Carruthers will undergo a scan after picking up a knee injury in the 0-0 draw with Preston on Tuesday night.
The Dons winger - on loan from Aston Villa - was replaced by George Baldock after just 12 minutes of the stalemate.
After the scan the full extent of the Republic of Ireland U21 international’s injury will be revealed.
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Michael Drennan to Portsmouth
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/portsmouth
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Grealish on target for County again today.
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@No1shaygiven: Thanks to all the staff, players & fans @Boro Best of luck to all at the club for the future. I really enjoyed my time there 👍
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Drennan scored on his debut too.
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GG played the full 90 today in a 2-0 away win.
Jonathan Hogg played against him and apparently played well.
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Drennan scored on his debut too.
In a 5-1 battering, though to be fair he was a second half sub, and they were already 3-0 down.
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I went down to Notts County today. Grealish got a goal and won the penalty as County went two up early. That said, he was on the periphery in the first half. Tidy though.
Game changed on a red card for County and Shrewsbury won 3-2. Grealish was much better second half. Got involved a lot more, although it was tough with ten men. He showed an ability that no one else on the pitch had in that he didn't look rushed when he had the ball. He looked confident and could beat a player. He really tired towards the end.
I can see how he might frustrate fans because the end product is a bit sporadic but hopefully he can learn as he plays more. It's pretty difficult to say whether he'll "make it". He has enough ability. It's all down to how he uses it now.
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I have high hopes for Grealish but his goal was a bit of a fluke. One of those crosses that drift in at the far post when no-one gets the expected touch.
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Delighted that I could not read your post.
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I stand corrected, I thought Jack was the crosser.
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Either he was playing in a central role or he had instructions to keep getting in the box. Shame they're not winning many games.
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<Outer Limits Music>Uncanny!</Outer Limits Music>
Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/loan-watch---look-aston-6738382)
Loan Watch - A look at Aston Villa's youngsters
What were Villa's loan rangers up to this weekend?
By Gregg Evans 24 Feb 2014 10:09
Jordan Bowery (Doncaster) - Mixed emotions for the young forward. Personally, Bowery would have been pleased to complete 90 minutes for the first time since August 2012. However, his loan club, Doncaster were beaten 1-0 by Yeovil, and his goal drought runs on. Speaking to reporters recently, Bowery said: “I just need to get the goals. I couldn’t tell you when the last time I scored a goal was. I’ve not scored for Villa so it’s been a while.”
Well, the last time he bagged was the last time he played a full game before the weekend. It was during a 1-1 draw with Chesterfield. Bowery has scored just one competitive goal in 22 months and is looking to significantly improve that figure before he returns to Villa on March 15.
Gary Gardner (Sheffield Wednesday) - Got 90 minutes under his belt with an excellent performance in a 2-0 win over Huddersfield. The 21-year-old has shown great promise in the early stages of his loan spell and is in line to feature again tonight in the FA Cup replay against Charlton at Hillsborough. Manager Stuart Gray has already praised his form alongside fellow loanee Sam Hutchinson. The Owls boss said: “Hutchinson and Gardner did really well considering they haven’t played much football together, and to get 95 minutes out of them at that intensity was great. They’re good players. They are not cup-tied and they come into my thoughts (for tonight).”
Jack Grealish (Notts County) - Opened the scoring in a 3-2 defeat at home to Shrewsbury. The midfielder took his tally to five goals this season and is really reaping the benefits of a loan spell.
Michael Drennan (Portsmouth) - Scored on his Portsmouth debut after coming off the bench for the second half in a 5-1 defeat to Scunthorpe. Only signed on Friday and is already making a big impression.
Enda Stevens (Doncaster) - The Irish defender was an unused substitute in the 1-0 defeat to Yeovil. He has not featured since January 11.
Samir Carruthers (MK Dons) - Missed Saturday’s 1-0 defeat at Bradford due to a knee injury. Has been a regular starter in previous weeks, impressing on many of his starts.
Nathan Delfouneso (Coventry) - Hasn’t featured for the last two games due to injury. Is hoping to shake off a thigh strain in time for Sunday’s home clash with Shrewsbury. On loan until the end of the season.
Darren Bent (Fulham) - Wasn’t in the squad for Fulham’s 1-1 draw with Albion.
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Shay Given wants to complete another loan move away from Aston Villa and claims the club want him "out of the door".
The 37-year-old has recently enjoyed a short-term spell at Middlesbrough, where he kept 10 clean sheets in 16 Championship matches.
He wanted to extend the deal until the end of the campaign, although the move fell through because Villa would have been unable to recall him at 24 hours notice.
However, Given can still join another club on loan before the end of March, with his future at Villa Park looking increasingly bleak.
He told the Birmingham Mail: "It has been really frustrating not playing.
"That's obvious for everyone to see and the window doesn't open until the summer, so maybe there is a Championship club out there who might want me.
"I might go back out on loan again somewhere before the end of March.
"Aston Villa want me out of the door, so something might happen."
Given still has two years remaining on his contract in the West Midlands, having signed from Manchester City back in 2011.
However, he has found himself out-of-favour with boss Paul Lambert, who gave USA international Brad Guzan the nod ahead of him at the start of last season.
Should a temporary move not be agreed next month, the veteran 'keeper is widely expected to leave this summer
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Shay Given wants to complete another loan move away from Aston Villa and claims the club want him "out of the door".
The 37-year-old has recently enjoyed a short-term spell at Middlesbrough, where he kept 10 clean sheets in 16 Championship matches.
He wanted to extend the deal until the end of the campaign, although the move fell through because Villa would have been unable to recall him at 24 hours notice.
However, Given can still join another club on loan before the end of March, with his future at Villa Park looking increasingly bleak.
He told the Birmingham Mail: "It has been really frustrating not playing.
"That's obvious for everyone to see and the window doesn't open until the summer, so maybe there is a Championship club out there who might want me.
"I might go back out on loan again somewhere before the end of March.
"Aston Villa want me out of the door, so something might happen."
Given still has two years remaining on his contract in the West Midlands, having signed from Manchester City back in 2011.
However, he has found himself out-of-favour with boss Paul Lambert, who gave USA international Brad Guzan the nod ahead of him at the start of last season.
Should a temporary move not be agreed next month, the veteran 'keeper is widely expected to leave this summer
Of course we want him 'out the door'. What a pointless news story.
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Alan Hutton to Bolton?
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2014/02/28/aston-villa-outcast-aln-hutton-set-for-switch-to-bolton-wanderers/?
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Seemingly not a very good weekend for the loan lads.
Grelish and Gardner on the bench and Carruthers injured. All their teams lost.
Have I missed anyone?
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Drennan should play tonight for Portsmouth in their televised clash at Chesterfield.
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I have a friend who - to his eternal shame - is an MK Dons fan and he says word is that Carruthers' injury is a nasty one. Better not be.
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Drennan should play tonight for Portsmouth in their televised clash at Chesterfield.
Scratch that... he's unavailable due to playing for Ireland kids this week. Won't bother watching that game then.
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I have a friend who - to his eternal shame - is an MK Dons fan and he says word is that Carruthers' injury is a nasty one. Better not be.
Theres a rumour doing the rounds that hes done his cruciate
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Oh for fuck's sake.
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Oh for fuck's sake.
Just a rumour, could be wrong. But it was heavily hinted at elsewhere by someone who would know.
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http://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/sport/mk-dons/carruthers-returns-to-aston-villa-1-5904356
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Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-well-keep-close-6783068)
Paul Lambert: 'We'll keep a close eye on Gary Gardner while he's out on loan'
Paul Lambert yet to decide on new Villa contract for Gary Gardner as injury-hit midfielder looks to regain fitness while on loan at Sheffield Wednesday
By Mat Kendrick
Gary Gardner still has a chance of saving his Aston Villa career – but manager Paul Lambert admits the midfielder is running out of time to earn a new contract.
Gardner is currently out on a month long loan at Sheffield Wednesday and is set to feature in the Championship match at Yeovil on Saturday.
The 21-year-old Bodymoor Heath academy graduate’s current deal expires in the summer and it is understood there have yet to be any talks about a new one.
Lambert cannot guarantee that Gardner will be kept on and admitted the Brummie youngster’s injuries had hampered his progress.
Having missed most of last season with his second cruciate ligament problem, he suffered back trouble at the start of this term and has been unable to dislodge Fabian Delph, Ashley Westwood, Karim El Ahmadi and Yacouba Sylla from the central midfield places.
Asked if there was any prospect of Gardner getting a new deal, Lambert replied: “There’s still a chance yes, but it’s hard for me to judge him when I haven’t seem much of him due to his injuries.
“He’s had injuries where it’s been long term, with his cruciate then his back.
“The thing about Gary is he’s a really good kid, really nice guy and a really top lad that wants to do well. We have to keep looking at him over the next few months.
“There is scope for something. I’m not dismissing it. I just need to see the progress that he makes when he’s out playing.
“He’s been really unfortunate with injuries. But I’m not dismissing anything at all. We have to see more of him performing at a level where we think he can make an impact here. We’ll keep a close eye on him while he’s out on loan.”
Gardner, who has previously been out on loan at Coventry, made his senior Villa debut under Alex McLeish as a substitute in the 3-1 victory at Chelsea on December 31 2011 and has made five starts and 13 substitute appearances in the Premier League and the cup competitions.
He has been used sparingly by Lambert, getting just two run-outs, totalling 18 minutes, on the first and final days of last season at West Ham and Wigan.
Gardner, whose initial loan spell at Hillsborough expires in around a week’s time, has made three starts for Wednesday and was an unused substitute for last weekend’s win over Middlesbrough.
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I'm going down to Notts County tomorrow. I'll let you know how Grealish goes
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Sunday Times (http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/article1385173.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_03_08)
Rest of article behind paywall.
Exciting talent Grealish keeps Ireland on tenterhooks
Teenager thrills Under-21s but does not rule out return to England
Paul Rowan Published: 9 March 2014
HAILING a taxi on a Dublin street on Thursday who should pull up driving one but Fabrizio Miele, the father of the Ireland Under-19 international Brandon Miele. Fabio, to use his more familiar name, had seen the Republic of Ireland Under-21s the previous day and like virtually everybody else is raving about Jack Grealish, the Aston Villa winger on loan at Notts County.
With his socks falling down around his ankles and the ball stuck to his right foot as though it was glued there, Grealish is the closest thing we have seen in an Ireland shirt to Tony Galvin. And not only was he by far the youngest Ireland player on the pitch in the game against Montenegro in Tallaght on Wednesday, he was also the best by some distance.
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Sunday Times (http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/article1385173.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_03_08)
Rest of article behind paywall.
Exciting talent Grealish keeps Ireland on tenterhooks
Teenager thrills Under-21s but does not rule out return to England
Paul Rowan Published: 9 March 2014
HAILING a taxi on a Dublin street on Thursday who should pull up driving one but Fabrizio Miele, the father of the Ireland Under-19 international Brandon Miele. Fabio, to use his more familiar name, had seen the Republic of Ireland Under-21s the previous day and like virtually everybody else is raving about Jack Grealish, the Aston Villa winger on loan at Notts County.
With his socks falling down around his ankles and the ball stuck to his right foot as though it was glued there, Grealish is the closest thing we have seen in an Ireland shirt to Tony Galvin. And not only was he by far the youngest Ireland player on the pitch in the game against Montenegro in Tallaght on Wednesday, he was also the best by some distance.
You'll probably think I'm going over the top, but when I watched him on a recent You tube clip, as he glided past half a team, with his socks round his ankles and the ball tied to his boot before scoring. The player I thought of was Georgie Best!
True he's got to do it consistently over a longer period, but he's definately one to watch and should be in the first team squad for next season.
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Jack would be ill advised to chose Ireland but that really depends on how irish he feels? He will develop into an excellent player and more than good enough for England.
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Jack would be ill advised to chose Ireland but that really depends on how irish he feels? He will develop into an excellent player and more than good enough for England.
What are you basing that on?
It's impossible to tell at the minute. Yes, he's doing well but it's only League One.
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I have seen him play and it's really the way he deals with the ball and moves it on. He has poise and time. He reminds me of Brian Little and Gary Shaw at the same age. I am convinced next season he will be on the fringe of first team selection.
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I have seen him play and it's really the way he deals with the ball and moves it on. He has poise and time. He reminds me of Brian Little and Gary Shaw at the same age. I am convinced next season he will be on the fringe of first team selection.
Hopefully you're right but it's a bit early to be making predictions about his future career. I'd like to see him in the Championship next season for a few months.
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I have seen him play and it's really the way he deals with the ball and moves it on. He has poise and time. He reminds me of Brian Little and Gary Shaw at the same age. I am convinced next season he will be on the fringe of first team selection.
Hopefully you're right but it's a bit early to be making predictions about his future career. I'd like to see him in the Championship next season for a few months.
Y'see this the thing: we on t'interweb make these comments completely blind. But our friend and fellow poster, olaftab, has actually seen the lad play and he believes he has a real chance of adding to our squad in the near-future. He furthermore invokes the dual godheads of Brian and Gary ... and you still have the gall to challenge that!
Doh!
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I'm hopeful but we've had so many false dawns over the years. As long as he keeps his head down and doesn't start believing the hype that he is and will get, he should have an exciting career.
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almost certain that Grealish will be called up to the next irish senior squad. MON was quoted as saying he was seriously considering bringing him into the squad for the recent Serbia game. Grealish was by all accounts outstanding in the preceeding u21 game and unfortunately the Irish squad is very low on quality at present. Grealish is being hyped as the next great white hope so I imagine MON will be under pressure to cap him asap.
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almost certain that Grealish will be called up to the next irish senior squad. MON was quoted as saying he was seriously considering bringing him into the squad for the recent Serbia game. Grealish was by all accounts outstanding in the preceeding u21 game and unfortunately the Irish squad is very low on quality at present. Grealish is being hyped as the next great white hope so I imagine MON will be under pressure to cap him asap.
MON will call him up and then play him at right back ...
Keep the young lad as far away as possible from him, would be my advice.
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Grealish will win a lot more caps for Ireland than he will for England, and let's face it, he has just as a much chance of winning a tournament with Ireland.
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almost certain that Grealish will be called up to the next irish senior squad. MON was quoted as saying he was seriously considering bringing him into the squad for the recent Serbia game. Grealish was by all accounts outstanding in the preceeding u21 game and unfortunately the Irish squad is very low on quality at present. Grealish is being hyped as the next great white hope so I imagine MON will be under pressure to cap him asap.
MON will call him up and then play him at right back ...
Keep the young lad as far away as possible from him, would be my advice.
Be fair, if there's 1 position on the field that MON has managed to get consistently good performances from it's his wingers.
I'll join with the king of Sweden on this, from what I've seen of him Grealish has the ability to be special, his close control is fantastic and he shifts his balance brilliantly to get past people. What he needs to show is that he has the desire and mental strength to keep pushing on. That's been our Achilles heel with the previous false dawns (except for Gardner where it's been plain bad luck so far), we get kids who look like world beaters but never make the step up to the reality of the premier league. If we can get Grealish over that hurdle then he'll be a great player.
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Just regarding Fonzie, it's really disappointed me that he hasn't been smashing them in for fun at a lower level. There seems to be something, be it determination, desire, or something else, that's holding that boy back. When he broke into MON's side he looked like a clinical finisher and seemed to have lots of potential, his goals to minute ratio under MON was actually quite good. Comfortable with the ball too.
I really hope his first goal for Cov will kick him on for the remainder of this season. However he's had so much time to impress in the Championship and come up pretty short, if he can't stand out in L1 at his age, he'll have problems. It's a shame. He seems destined to go the Moore route, more likely Stefan than Luke too.
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My main memory of Delfouneso will be that shot at St. Andrews that hit the bar. Gutted it didn't go in as I feel it may have given him the confidence to kick on. Oh well!
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His biggest problem was that MON just didn't trust him enough to give him some game time when it mattered. He had potential and looked a great young talent but we only ever saw him in early rounds of the cups or for a couple of minutes late in the game, all whilst players like Harewood and Heskey were playing regularly. I doubt he'd have had any complaints about being behind Gabby and Carew but seeing the club spend a fortune to bring in Heskey and push him down the list can't have been good for his confidence and that tied in with the point where he started to look disinterested.
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O Neill definitely should have handled him better in the Premier League. I would also say that Fonzie just seems a soft touch too. I think he was easily bullied by defenders at this level. One good knock and he'd go hiding. He could hold his own, where-as Gabby has always stood up pretty well to the physical side of this level. Fonzie just lacks a touch of aggression. Similar to the Moores I guess. A couple of times in O Neills final season, Fonz actually seemed to played quite well alongside Heskey. Heskey took away a lot of physical pressure as he does for a strike partner at his best, and Fonzy enjoyed it. I'm thinking of the FA cup tie with Blackburn IIRC, and when both came on against Portsmouth. He scored in both.
But certainly, better handling between 08-10 and more minutes in the league to get him physically ready, and he could have kicked on. He's a player with a bit more skill and technical ability perhaps than Weimann for example, but Andi's workrate and determination means he's become a key player for us. Even when he's not playing well at least he's not hiding.
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I'm not sure Fonz has the desire or hunger to really make It at the highest level - seems too laid back to me.
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I always felt Fonz was not (is not) hungry enough He seems to be happy to be a nearly man. Such a shame.
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Some kids forge a very good career at the lower levels. Remember Martin Carruthers who played and scored consistently for a couple of clubs when he left us. However Delfouneso gives the impression that a bit of skill and the occassional goal is all it takes. File under Stephen Cooke.
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Wasn't the fonz given a pretty hefty contract too? After that I'd imagine it's quite easy to lose some focus and hunger.
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Wasn't the fonz given a pretty hefty contract too? After that I'd imagine it's quite easy to lose some focus and hunger.
I haven't read any solid info on this (although you rarely do about contracts) but he signed his last contract in July 2011. Before that, he signed a contract in '09. So assuming he was on O'Neill wages in '09, and that he didn't take a pay cut when he re-upped in '11, I imagine he's on fairly good money. Maybe whatever Bannan was on, or what Clark was on before the summer.
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Grealish will win a lot more caps for Ireland than he will for England, and let's face it, he has just as a much chance of winning a tournament with Ireland.
If he chooses Ireland he may never get to play at the World Cup.
And he is English after all.
Hopefully he is playing for us at the start of next season and he can get into the England U21s.
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Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-youngster-samir-carruthers-6830951)
Villa youngster Samir Carruthers ruled out until summer with knee injury
Boss Paul Lambert confirms Bodymoor Heath graduate out for the rest of the season after suffering posterior knee problem on loan at MK Dons
Mar 13, 2014 22:31 By Mat Kendrick
Samir Carruthers has been ruled out of action for the rest of the season after suffering a serious injury on loan with MK Dons.
Carruthers was forced to cut short his season-long spell in League One and return to Aston Villa last month when he sustained the posterior knee problem.
Villa manager Paul Lambert confirmed that the 20-year-old Bodymoor Heath graduate would be sidelined at least until the summer.
“He’s got a posterior knee injury so Samir will be out for the rest of this season,” confirmed Lambert.
“It’s pretty bad. He was doing all right, I think he enjoyed being out playing men’s football, but that’s what can happen. We just have to get him back fit.”
Carruthers made 28 appearance for MK Dons, scoring twice and being booked four times for the League One play-off contenders.
The Ireland under-21 midfielder is contracted to Villa until summer 2015, having signed a new two-year deal last July.
He is yet to make a competitive first team appearance under Lambert, with his last claret and blue action coming almost two years ago in April 2012.
Carruthers was handed a debut by Alex McLeish as a substitute at Liverpool and also stepped off the bench for cameos at Manchester United and West Brom.
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Really bad news for Carruthurs that, was looking for him and grealish to be part of our 18 next year.
The Fonz should've been loaned out for the season in 09/10 instead of just warming the bench that year especially as we were knocked out of europe in August that year.
He missed a year of playing and low and behold when we had a striker injury crisis the next season and he was thrown in he looked undercooked.
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The Fonz just never seemed able to be consistent enough and I remember his new contract in 2011 and I couldn't understand why Villa offered it to him. I do think he could have been better than he turned out, still he has made a very good living by not being all that good, perhaps thats all he wanted.
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Sheffield Wednesday winning 3-0 at home to QPR, Gary Gardner not playing or on the bench, I see.
I take it it isn't going well there?
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Sheffield Wednesday winning 3-0 at home to QPR, Gary Gardner not playing or on the bench, I see.
I take it it isn't going well there?
He's been back here for a week or two.
I think thats it for him here sadly.
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I missed that completely - is his month with them up already?
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I missed that completely - is his month with them up already?
Im not sure if his time there ran out or they sent him back early, either way he didnt impress.
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I see that Darren Bent didnt appear for Fulham last weekend for 'personal reasons'
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Some kids forge a very good career at the lower levels. Remember Martin Carruthers who played and scored consistently for a couple of clubs when he left us. However Delfouneso gives the impression that a bit of skill and the occassional goal is all it takes. File under Stephen Cooke.
Add also
B.Bannan
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I hope we do give Gardner another year. He's had so long out I just think it's unfair to judge him on a few months
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I hope we do give Gardner another year. He's had so long out I just think it's unfair to judge him on a few months
Me too. I'd be tempted with 2-years, one whole season on loan and the second with us, but it'd have to be on a low wage.
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I hope we do give Gardner another year. He's had so long out I just think it's unfair to judge him on a few months
Me too. I'd be tempted with 2-years, one whole season on loan and the second with us, but it'd have to be on a low wage.
I agree, others are better placed to comment than me but from what I have seen letting him go could just come back to haunt us in a year or two.
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Bowery back at Villa:
http://www.clubcall.com/aston-villa/bowery-back-at-villa-1718728.html?
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Bowery back at Villa:
http://www.clubcall.com/aston-villa/bowery-back-at-villa-1718728.html?
Well, salvatiion is at hand for the first team .....
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Portsmouth The News (http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/drennan-extends-pompey-stay-1-5956666)
Drennan extends Pompey stay
Michael Drennan has extended his Pompey loan until the end of the season.
The Aston Villa striker has impressed Richie Barker during his initial month at Fratton Park, making five appearances and scoring one goal.
Now the Blues manager has moved to tie him to the club ahead of Thursday’s deadline for emergency loans to be completed.
The 20-year-old appeared as an 80th-minute substitute in Saturday’s 1-0 defeat against York.
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Jacky Grealish's black n white army have had 3 wins in a week, to go from bottom of the table to outside the relegation zone.
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Come on you County.
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Hutton's loan to Bolton extended until the end of the season
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26819868
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Hutton's loan to Bolton extended until the end of the season
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26819868
Get in!
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He is staying in a hotel near me , I spotted him driving out of it other morning . Drives the usual footballers expensive Range Rover
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You should have said to him "As an accountant I'd recommend you see out your contract. As a Villa fan, ge tae fuck outta my club!"
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Bent voices Fulham frustration (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/darren-bent-denies-felix-magath-claim-i-was-fine-to-play-says-onloan-fulham-striker-9227814.html)
Doesn't look like Bent will find a club easy to come by next season, when does his contract end?
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Bent can moan all he likes but it's been clear the last 2 seasons that his time as Premiership striker is coming to an end. Teams can't carry a player who does so little besides tap the ball in from 6 yards given the chance.
Fulham have been awful but he can't even get into their side. They're picking a teenager over him. 3 Fulham managers have been reluctant to start him regularly. Lambert, after all the questions about dropping Bent he got early last season, seems to have been more than vindicated too.
Bents a busted flush...and FUCK...I've just remembered we still own him! Bloody hell. How long's he got left, one more year here?
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I don't think Bent's issues are with play style, the league hasn't changed so much in 2-3years that his style of striker has suddenly become obsolete, it's that his legs have gone, too many injuries too close together have stolen half a yard of pace. The same thing happened to Owen, and has happened to a number of good strikers over the years.
Look at the list of injuries (http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/players/226/darren_bent_injury.html) - all the groin and hamstring injuries stack up, not his fault and not something he really could've prevented but they all mean that his time as a regular starter at the top level is gone.
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I don't think Bent's issues are with play style, the league hasn't changed so much in 2-3years that his style of striker has suddenly become obsolete, it's that his legs have gone, too many injuries too close together have stolen half a yard of pace. The same thing happened to Owen, and has happened to a number of good strikers over the years.
Look at the list of injuries (http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/players/226/darren_bent_injury.html) - all the groin and hamstring injuries stack up, not his fault and not something he really could've prevented but they all mean that his time as a regular starter at the top level is gone.
I think it's a mixture of both. In terms of style there are some teams who still set up to use someone like Bent, but every year more teams seem to set up in a way where you need someone who'll work hard at the top, as most sides play one up, or you need a big man.
But yes. One big part of Bents game was always his ability to play on the shoulder of the last defender because he had pace. We saw that under Houlllier and McLeish. The injuries he had in McLeish's season and the niggles in Lamberts have taken all his pace away. As you say, like Michael Owen.
Bent is probably still good at getting space in the 6 yard area and putting it away given the chance, but that's not enough in the modern game. I think he's heading to the Championship to be honest. There aren't many teams left in the top flight who will be desperate to pick him up at his age, fitness and wages.
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I'd fully expect Leicester to throw a couple of million at us for him in the summer and I expect he'd be delighted to go and be their first-choice.
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I'd fully expect Leicester to throw a couple of million at us for him in the summer and I expect he'd be delighted to go and be their first-choice.
That would be a good move for him.
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"Steven Pressley had seen enough of his side’s toothless intentions and made a double switch with 14 minutes left, throwing on Nathan Delfouneso..................."
Only a sub in a divison 3 team lacking their top scorer. Says it all really!
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I'd fully expect Leicester to throw a couple of million at us for him in the summer and I expect he'd be delighted to go and be their first-choice.
That would be a good move for him.
And a better move for us.
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Except he'd score against us. Guaranteed.
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You should have said to him "As an accountant I'd recommend you see out your contract. As a Villa fan, ge tae fuck outta my club!"
Lol not his fault the daft fool faulkner gave him that contract
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You should have said to him "As an accountant I'd recommend you see out your contract. As a Villa fan, ge tae fuck outta my club!"
Lol not his fault the daft fool faulkner gave him that contract
His goals kept us up that first season. We've bought worse players.
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You should have said to him "As an accountant I'd recommend you see out your contract. As a Villa fan, ge tae fuck outta my club!"
Lol not his fault the daft fool faulkner gave him that contract
His goals kept us up that first season. We've bought worse players.
And in fairness his goals the following season. We weren't doing terribly until he got injured. He played half a season and was still easily our top scorer.
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You should have said to him "As an accountant I'd recommend you see out your contract. As a Villa fan, ge tae fuck outta my club!"
Lol not his fault the daft fool faulkner gave him that contract
His goals kept us up that first season. We've bought worse players.
He's talking about Hutton.
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You should have said to him "As an accountant I'd recommend you see out your contract. As a Villa fan, ge tae fuck outta my club!"
Lol not his fault the daft fool faulkner gave him that contract
His goals kept us up that first season. We've bought worse players.
He's talking about Hutton.
His exceptional tackling kept us up that season. ;)
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Did anybody else know that a couple of weeks ago Ben Siegrist joined Cambridge on loan until the end of the season?
Don't recall seeing it mentioned at any point.
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Yeah, pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere.
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Did anybody else know that a couple of weeks ago Ben Siegrist joined Cambridge on loan until the end of the season?
Don't recall seeing it mentioned at any point.
yeah saw him play for the U's vs Barnet after watching the annual drubbing by Manure on the telly.
He could do nothing about the Barnet goal, but he was solid through out , came off his line and did all the basic things very well.
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How is Grealish getting on?
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How is Grealish getting on?
I looked a few weeks back and he was on the bench which is a shame as he was progressing really well say three months ago.
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He came on at half time at the weekend
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Spoke to a Sheffield Weds fan at weekend. He said Gary G wasn't up to much in his games for them. They got him due to having injuries and as soon as these cleared they didn't bother wanting to keep him.
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"Coventry City boss Steven Pressley tells Nathan Delfouneso he has a month to escape football scrapheap"
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-boss-steven-pressley-6936559
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23! Where did the time go Nathan? Only yesterday you were 16 and looking the real deal for England.
Sad for us and him unless something remarkable happens.
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If he's not careful he'll be another Stefan Moore. Plenty of talent but something in his attitude just doesn't seem right.
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If he's not careful he'll be another Stefan Moore. Plenty of talent but something in his attitude just doesn't seem right.
Sounds like he's already there, PWS.
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It's strange how our academy has worked out with strikers in recent years. I would say in terms of natural ability, the Moores and Delfouneso had more than Gabby and Weimann. As it has transpired of course, the latter are still in the top flight playing regularly.
I think you need exceptional hard work, and to be honest, in Gabby's case, he was a limited player as a lad (still is if we're honest) who had one exceptional attribute. To still be a Premier League regular after 8 years takes a great deal of hard work and will to succeed. He's improved slowly as a player too. Likewise Weimann might be struggling at the moment, but the lad isn't the most technically gifted. He does work bloody hard though, and not only that, he's overcome a serious injury early in his career too and still broken through.
I think another part of it is aggression. Gabby has plenty of aggression in the way he plays, as does Weimann. They don't let the big boys bully them. To some extent I felt like the Moores and Fonzy could sometimes be wet blankets. They could get bullied out of games. Of course Darius was a bit of a softy but still succeeded at this level, though in truth he had a hell of a lot of talent but what he lacked in aggression he made up for in application, even if it times you just wish he had more self confidence.
If only you could meld Fonzy and Weimann together. You'd have a hell of a player.
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It's strange how our academy has worked out with strikers in recent years. I would say in terms of natural ability, the Moores and Delfouneso had more than Gabby and Weimann. As it has transpired of course, the latter are still in the top flight playing regularly.
I think you need exceptional hard work, and to be honest, in Gabby's case, he was a limited player as a lad (still is if we're honest) who had one exceptional attribute. To still be a Premier League regular after 8 years takes a great deal of hard work and will to succeed. He's improved slowly as a player too. Likewise Weimann might be struggling at the moment, but the lad isn't the most technically gifted. He does work bloody hard though, and not only that, he's overcome a serious injury early in his career too and still broken through.
I think another part of it is aggression. Gabby has plenty of aggression in the way he plays, as does Weimann. They don't let the big boys bully them. To some extent I felt like the Moores and Fonzy could sometimes be wet blankets. They could get bullied out of games. Of course Darius was a bit of a softy but still succeeded at this level, though in truth he had a hell of a lot of talent but what he lacked in aggression he made up for in application, even if it times you just wish he had more self confidence.
If only you could meld Fonzy and Weimann together. You'd have a hell of a player.
Some interesting points there.
Remember that DV and JPA had to bulk up and lose some pace due to the farcical all-in wresting arena which describes a dead ball into the box in the modern PL.
Also, variants of 4-5-1 often end up with what in past years would be striker being moved wide. To play up front alone you need to be the type of player who is not deterred by rough treatment. Think of Savo: very underrated in the role.
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Attitude is very much as important as talent. Look at Byfield for example, nowhere near the talent of the Moore, Fonz, and yet his attitude meant he had a decent pro career.
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Attitude is very much as important as talent. Look at Byfield for example, nowhere near the talent of the Moore, Fonz, and yet his attitude meant he had a decent pro career.
And Jamelia too. That's worth a tip of the hat to the guy.
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I also think that a lot of the players are given big contracts too young.
Being on the brink of failure is probably the best motivation any young player can have and that desperation and work ethic probably sticks with them for the rest of their careers. I recall Gabby being pretty woeful on loan at S. Wednesday and Weimann had that injury, whereas when the Fonz looks at his bank account I doubt 'failure' is one of the words which pops into his head.
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It's true. Young players tend to lose their hunger when they feel like they've made it already.
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I also think that a lot of the players are given big contracts too young.
Being on the brink of failure is probably the best motivation any young player can have and that desperation and work ethic probably sticks with them for the rest of their careers. I recall Gabby being pretty woeful on loan at S. Wednesday and Weimann had that injury, whereas when the Fonz looks at his bank account I doubt 'failure' is one of the words which pops into his head.
At the same time though, if we have promising players coming through and we want them to stay then we have to offer them the sort of wages that other clubs would.
A club like Man City or Arsenal will think nothing at all of offering a promising youth player the sort of money that we pay Delfouneso.
If we had let the 17 year old version of him leave (bearing in mind that he was playing and scoring for us at that age) then I think there would have been uproar on here. There was enough discontent when that youth player whose name I forget went to Arsenal last year and he was nowhere near the first team.
Sometimes players don't kick on in the way you'd hope, but unless they are offered the same sort of terms as they might be elsewhere then it's a sure-fire way to not have them in the first place.
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I also think that a lot of the players are given big contracts too young.
Being on the brink of failure is probably the best motivation any young player can have and that desperation and work ethic probably sticks with them for the rest of their careers. I recall Gabby being pretty woeful on loan at S. Wednesday and Weimann had that injury, whereas when the Fonz looks at his bank account I doubt 'failure' is one of the words which pops into his head.
At the same time though, if we have promising players coming through and we want them to stay then we have to offer them the sort of wages that other clubs would.
A club like Man City or Arsenal will think nothing at all of offering a promising youth player the sort of money that we pay Delfouneso.
If we had let the 17 year old version of him leave (bearing in mind that he was playing and scoring for us at that age) then I think there would have been uproar on here. There was enough discontent when that youth player whose name I forget went to Arsenal last year and he was nowhere near the first team.
Sometimes players don't kick on in the way you'd hope, but unless they are offered the same sort of terms as they might be elsewhere then it's a sure-fire way to not have them in the first place.
I agree. It's a fine balance and the timing of that first fat contract is largely a coincidence.
To put it another way I'd prefer that we do offer enough to keep these youngsters because the extra £2-5k/week is peanuts compared to losing a star player completely. However, in the particular instance of the Fonz, he signed during a period where we were generally paying too much in wages anyway so getting £20k a week (guess) is easier to justify when Habib Beye is picking up £40k/week.
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It's a shame some of these lads can't think a little further ahead. A footballers career is short. Earning say 20k a week on a 4 year contract is bloody great if you're 20 years old, of course. But what about pushing to succeed at the top level? What about working your bollocks off to try and sustain a 10 year career at the top and earn even more on average?
Some players (Gabby) do, some don't sadly. 1-2 of Fonzies mates will probably still be at Villa in 5-6 years time and he'll be long gone. When his bank balance isn't looking quite as impressive when he's flitting around League 2 (if he's bloody lucky), I'm sure he'll look on enviously at the lads like Clark and Weimann who may either be here still, or at the very least playing at a high level.
In Fonzies case I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see him getting another bite at top flight football, short of a lot of work. Whitts got another shot, and even so, spending most of your career in the Championship is no bad thing. Likewise Davis went to the mickey mouse league for a bit but has come back strongly. Even Luke Moore dropped away before getting another stab with Swansea, and that was enough to get him a transfer to Turkey and then the MLS, which will have been quite an experience for better or worse. I see him going Stefan's route unfortunately. Will he be happy as a non-league superstar? Who knows.
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Luke's gone to America? How did that come about? British players seem to last about two minutes in Turkey. Trouser the big signing-on fee, enjoy the odd adulation and local women before they realise they're not cut out for living there long-term?
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I think players tend to grow frustrated in the Turkish League when they discover, shortly after arriving, that their new employers have no intention of actually paying them.
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I think players tend to grow frustrated in the Turkish League when they discover, shortly after arriving, that their new employers have no intention of actually paying them.
Bread heads.
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I think players tend to grow frustrated in the Turkish League when they discover, shortly after arriving, that their new employers have no intention of actually paying them.
Bread heads.
You'd think Darius might have had a word in Luke's ear on this one. It was never gonna end well.
He's ended up at JPA's old MLS club, Chivas.
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I wonder if JPA had a word with him about Chivas. They had the makings of an interesting partnership for half of O Neills first season alongside Gabby.
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I wonder if JPA had a word with him about Chivas. They had the makings of an interesting partnership for half of O Neills first season alongside Gabby.
We played some good football with the three up top. Luke then got injured and when he bought Sutton in he switched to the standard 4-4-2. From then on we only really played good football on the counter attack.
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Mikey Drennan at the double at Dagenham for Pompey. Put them two up in twenty mins.
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Mikey Drennan at the double at Dagenham for Pompey. Put them two up in twenty mins.
Scored a hat-trick... well done!
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Grealish got two assists yday. Impressed with how he's doing. But when you see the highlights you realise the chasm in quality.
I've always been an advocate of loaning players out to the championship because the standard of reserve football is so poor. But I've been a bit suprised by how crap league one looks. And I also noticed that the Southampton academy director was saying that Saints don't loan out. Their view is that if you've got the best facilities, coaches and a style and set of habits you want to use, then you risk them learning bad habits elsewhere. Not convinced yet, but they're obviously doing somethign right there.
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I think loaning out players is a good thing as it gets them used to playing under pressure, gives them valuable game time as well as experience although Chelsea, who I believe have loaned out 21 players this season, do take the piss out of the system.
As for Grealish its good to see him playing with confidence and taking players on, only time will tell whether he makes it or not but at least he gets the crowd excited and provides entertainment which is more than can be said for a lot of our players.
Great strike by Drennan for his second goal (apparently he didn't score the first Portsmouth goal).
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Grealish got two assists yday. Impressed with how he's doing. But when you see the highlights you realise the chasm in quality.
I've always been an advocate of loaning players out to the championship because the standard of reserve football is so poor. But I've been a bit suprised by how crap league one looks. And I also noticed that the Southampton academy director was saying that Saints don't loan out. Their view is that if you've got the best facilities, coaches and a style and set of habits you want to use, then you risk them learning bad habits elsewhere. Not convinced yet, but they're obviously doing somethign right there.
What, the chasm in quality between us and Notts County? Are you sure? Or maybe you meant they are so much better than us, can't disagree with that..
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Mikey Drennan at the double at Dagenham for Pompey. Put them two up in twenty mins.
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Grealish got two assists yday. Impressed with how he's doing. But when you see the highlights you realise the chasm in quality
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That miss towards the end from Port Vale has to be seen to be believed.
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Grealish got two assists yday. Impressed with how he's doing. But when you see the highlights you realise the chasm in quality.
I've always been an advocate of loaning players out to the championship because the standard of reserve football is so poor. But I've been a bit suprised by how crap league one looks. And I also noticed that the Southampton academy director was saying that Saints don't loan out. Their view is that if you've got the best facilities, coaches and a style and set of habits you want to use, then you risk them learning bad habits elsewhere. Not convinced yet, but they're obviously doing somethign right there.
It's an interesting alternative view as most clubs seem to think that playing is better than reserve football hence most players drop down a level. However, I guess on that token Southampton are pretty good at giving their youngsters some games without completely exposing them. Shaw, Chambers, Ward-Prowse have all played a fair amount of football this year.
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Shaw has played most of the games for the last 2 years and it's more down to him being an outstanding talent; it was like when Barry first became a regular for us. Ward-Prowse has probably been less involved this year than last but delivers a really good ball. Chambers and their striker Gallagher (I think) are better examples of incorporating young talents that they feel are ready. The thing is Southampton have had the luxury of being safe for most of the season and they do seem to have some very good youth coming through.
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If playing reserve football is such a breeding ground for talent we'd have brought more youngsters through in the last 5-7 years. I think they can learn much more by playing against experienced opposition that they could ever against kids of the same age.
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I really like the look of Grealish (terrible haircut aside). He seems to have a footballing brain on him and that will hold him in good stead. I wish our midfielders looked even half as composed on the ball as he does.
Get him in amongst the squad again in pre-season and give him a few tastes of action next season, in amongst a championship loan or two.
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That miss towards the end from Port Vale has to be seen to be believed.
wow!
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I really like the look of Grealish (terrible haircut aside). He seems to have a footballing brain on him and that will hold him in good stead. I wish our midfielders looked even half as composed on the ball as he does.
Get him in amongst the squad again in pre-season and give him a few tastes of action next season, in amongst a championship loan or two.
he might be in the championship for us ;)
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I really like the look of Grealish (terrible haircut aside). He seems to have a footballing brain on him and that will hold him in good stead. I wish our midfielders looked even half as composed on the ball as he does.
Get him in amongst the squad again in pre-season and give him a few tastes of action next season, in amongst a championship loan or two.
Thought I was watching a Lee Hendrie 1997/98 with the curtains hairstyle and dainty footwork for a minute.
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That second goal from Drennan was a bit good.
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I really like the look of Grealish (terrible haircut aside). He seems to have a footballing brain on him and that will hold him in good stead. I wish our midfielders looked even half as composed on the ball as he does.
Get him in amongst the squad again in pre-season and give him a few tastes of action next season, in amongst a championship loan or two.
Thought I was watching a Lee Hendrie 1997/98 with the curtains hairstyle and dainty footwork for a minute.
Even bringing through 1-2 of Hendries standard at the moment would be great for us, and better than signing players like Tonev.
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Drennan's 2nd is a great goal.
Both of the assists for Grealish show that's far too good for that level, his first in particular no one got anywhere near him, he just wandered through 4 or 5 players without ever looking under pressure. If he can keep his feet on the ground and keep working hard he's going to be a top player, his balance and touch are top class and he's adding an end product as well (5 goals and 6 assists now).
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Drennan's 2nd is a great goal.
Both of the assists for Grealish show that's far too good for that level, his first in particular no one got anywhere near him, he just wandered through 4 or 5 players without ever looking under pressure. If he can keep his feet on the ground and keep working hard he's going to be a top player, his balance and touch are top class and he's adding an end product as well (5 goals and 6 assists now).
The assists were brilliant but I wonder whether he's getting involved in the general play enough or indeed is doing the simple things correctly. Without watching the matches is impossible to say whether he's a highlights player or genuinely a proper talent.
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Drennan's 2nd is a great goal.
Both of the assists for Grealish show that's far too good for that level, his first in particular no one got anywhere near him, he just wandered through 4 or 5 players without ever looking under pressure. If he can keep his feet on the ground and keep working hard he's going to be a top player, his balance and touch are top class and he's adding an end product as well (5 goals and 6 assists now).
The assists were brilliant but I wonder whether he's getting involved in the general play enough or indeed is doing the simple things correctly. Without watching the matches is impossible to say whether he's a highlights player or genuinely a proper talent.
That they were desperate to take him back suggests he's doing the basics pretty well.
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If playing reserve football is such a breeding ground for talent we'd have brought more youngsters through in the last 5-7 years. I think they can learn much more by playing against experienced opposition that they could ever against kids of the same age.
When you consider the ones now playing at other Premier League clubs, I think we've produced our fair share of talent over that period. I am beginning to think more and more that it is the way forward for our club. Get a strong squad of around 15 players, a couple of good loans and fill the holes with graduates from the academy. That should give them enough of a chance over a couple of years to see what they are like. If they turn out to not be quite up to standard, then we should still be able to sell them for a decent price and give the next graduate his chance.
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From Notts County v Crawley Town report
The first 20 minutes were scrappy, and Jimmy Spencer did his best to make the most of the long balls that were knocked up to him, but in truth there was little created by either side.
That was until Aston Villa loanee Jack Grealish, who appears to have refound his form in recent weeks, won the ball back in midfield and ran at the Crawley defence, beating one man before being bundled down in the box. It looked a certain foul, but the referee appeared to play an advantage, as the ball fell to Ronan Murray. His shot, though, was blocked.
But County’s frustration didn’t last long. Grealish again carved out the chance, turning centre half Mark Connolly inside out and drawing a cynical foul on the wing. Alan Sheehan, as he so often has this season, sent in a wonderful ball which was converted by the excellent Spencer from close range.
Meadow Lane was bouncing now, and a few minutes later it was so nearly two. Sheehan wandered forward from the back and hit an enticing cross-cum-shot that was so nearly turned home by Ronan Murray.
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If playing reserve football is such a breeding ground for talent we'd have brought more youngsters through in the last 5-7 years. I think they can learn much more by playing against experienced opposition that they could ever against kids of the same age.
When you consider the ones now playing at other Premier League clubs, I think we've produced our fair share of talent over that period. I am beginning to think more and more that it is the way forward for our club. Get a strong squad of around 15 players, a couple of good loans and fill the holes with graduates from the academy. That should give them enough of a chance over a couple of years to see what they are like. If they turn out to not be quite up to standard, then we should still be able to sell them for a decent price and give the next graduate his chance.
We produced a bunch of players who were about 21 when randy started splashing the cash. Only gabby (and Cahill) were good enough to get a game in that environment and the others needed quite a few games at first team level before they were good enough. If the likes of Gardner, Davis, whitts, Cahill had come through now they'd be useful squad players at least.
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Jack Grealish has been nominated for the League One player of the month award for April.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-midfielder-nominated-award-7058492
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Well done Jack.
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If we are safe come Saturday night, I wouldn't mind seeing him involved in the last couple of games.
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I like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/aFEKO0g.jpg)
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I would give him his debut v Manchester City tomorrow , why not we got nothing to lose?
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I would too, or at least bring him on. We haven't got anyone else who can play the attacking midfield role, so why not?
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Absolutely. Be good to see him and Robinson involved.
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Fonzie found a bit of form in the last couple of games for Cov. Hopefully he's done enough to convince them he's worth signing.
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Took both goals well. Strength, power and skill. Such a pity he didn't take-off with us after such high hopes.
Him and Helenius, our two goalscorers against Sheff Utd this year.
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Thought we might as well have a generic thread for this and keeping an eye on loanees' progress.
Jed Steer has gone to Doncaster on a three-month loan deal. I guess Given is our back-up again. Should be good experience for Jed.
Previously confirmed that Helenius has gone back to Kent Nielsen's Aalborg for the season while Sylla will probably be spending about ten minutes at Kayseri Erciyesspor before finding out they don't bother paying wages, as often seems to happen to foreign players in Turkey. I doubt we'll see either of them play for Villa again anyhow.
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Thanks for starting the thread.. Glad he will get matches. Died anyone know what's happened to Ben Siegrist? He seems to have disappeared.
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Thanks for starting the thread.. Glad he will get matches. Died anyone know what's happened to Ben Siegrist? He seems to have disappeared.
Injured at the end of last season playing for Cambridge on loan.
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Are you happy for me to rename this thread Loanwatch 2014-15 and sticky it?
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Yep.
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Thanks Dave.
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Glad that Steer is out on loan. He was never going to get any better sitting on the bench here and I wouldn't be comfortable relying on him if Guzan got injured or suspended. Good move for all concerned I think.
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Three months is a decent amount of time also. Enough for him to get a number of games under his belt, but also not too long from our point of view should we need to call on him. Think a number of players currently on our books could do with getting a loan move.
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My downside of Given being back up is it means he will play in the cups and I don't like older goalkeepers in penalty shoot-outs, if it comes to that. Suppose we could always do a Holland and bring Guzan on after 119 minutes.
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My downside of Given being back up is it means he will play in the cups and I don't like older goalkeepers in penalty shoot-outs, if it comes to that. Suppose we could always do a Holland and bring Guzan on after 119 minutes.
That is one reason why I thought we could have held on to Steer to give him experience in the Cups. My friend actually made a good point about playing a different keeper in the cups than league, and that is that it can be more difficult than with an outfield player because a keeper has to strike up an understanding with his back four, so if you bring someone in who is not used to those players then it makes it harder. Hope Given plays today and at least one of the other friendlies.
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Good luck to Tony Moon with your loan to Hellas Verona. Thanks for that quite spectacular goal last season.
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"Spend some facking money!" Good luck Tony.
http://vimeo.com/72561509
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One of the many Nazi clubs in Italy. I can't really wish him luck there, to be honest.
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You can wish him luck, if not the club.
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Ok, sounds fair.
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Daniel Johnson has gone on loan to Chesterfield
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Daniel Johnson has gone on loan to Chesterfield
Good move for him. He's got ability and I've wanted to see him pushing closer to the first team but it hasn't happened. Hopefully he can stand out for them and then come back to push for the first team.
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Nah he's been talked about for ages but never really threatened to break into the first team. Think this will lead to a permanent somewhere else in league one.
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Nah he's been talked about for ages but never really threatened to break into the first team. Think this will lead to a permanent somewhere else in league one.
Yeah, he just hasn't kicked on. Good on the ball and a decent shot too, but somehow never looked likely to get into the first team.
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Tonev has joined Celtic on loan for the season.
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So, with Tonev bombed out, is that every signing from last summer binned, other than Okore and Bacuna?
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Kozak.
Edit: January innit
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Glasgow glaziers gloat as glass to be broken by Bulgarian's ballooning balls.
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Kozak.
Edit: January innit
No, you were right first time.
By the start of January he'd had his injury.
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Tonev has joined Celtic on loan for the season.
So now he's Andy Irvine or Gavin Hastings rather than Jonny Wilkinson.
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Another one out on loan, Donacien this time to Tranmere.
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Another one out on loan, Donacien this time to Tranmere.
Good, want him to have a proper test.
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I like the look of Donacien. Hope he does well at Tranmere.
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There are rumours on Twitter that Joe Bennett's on his way to Brighton on loan.
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Now confirmed by a proper source.
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Lerner has prepared and loaned out most of our Championship team, in case we need it. Lowton will be next. Robinson, once the injured strikers return. Steer, Lowton, Bennett, Luna, Donacien, Sylla, Helenius, Johnson, Tonev, Robinson...
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Joe Bennett has joined Brighton on a season-long loan deal.
Bennett will link up with boss Sami Hyypiä and former Villa defender Aaron Hughes at the Championship side.
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Good move for him that.
Regular games, get a bit of confidence back.
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Living in Brighton beats the crap out of where all of the others have gone.
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Living in Brighton beats the crap out of where all of the others have gone.
You know, I'll take a year in Verona over a year in Brighton.
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Tonev isn't even on Celtic's bench tonight - is he injured, ineligible or just not selected?
Helenius (as I've mentioned on the Other Games thread -sorry, repeating myself) playing for Aalborg though.
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Living in Brighton beats the crap out of where all of the others have gone.
You know, I'll take a year in Verona over a year in Brighton.
Ah. Oh, to be a crap left back on a year's secondment, either way.
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Living in Brighton beats the crap out of where all of the others have gone.
You know, I'll take a year in Verona over a year in Brighton.
How dare you sir! Brighton is a wonderful city!
This makes sense he just isn't cutting it at Villa, and playing in the Championship will be of help to him if not for Brighton?
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Verona is a lovely city.
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Another year's experience and he might be ready to push for a place in our team. He's shown potential at times and just looked a little raw and needing to understand his defensive duties better.
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Verona is a lovely city.
Didn't say it wasn't, but I doubt that was Dave's point.
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Another year's experience and he might be ready to push for a place in our team. He's shown potential at times and just looked a little raw and needing to understand his defensive duties better.
He'll be 25 at the start of next season, at what point does he stop being a promising youngster?
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Another year's experience and he might be ready to push for a place in our team. He's shown potential at times and just looked a little raw and needing to understand his defensive duties better.
He'll be 25 at the start of next season, at what point does he stop being a promising youngster?
I didn't say he was a 'promising youngster'. I said he looked raw at times which means inexperienced due to a lack of games. Given a season on loan for experience, he can either be integrated into the squad or moved on.
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Another year's experience and he might be ready to push for a place in our team. He's shown potential at times and just looked a little raw and needing to understand his defensive duties better.
He'll be 25 at the start of next season, at what point does he stop being a promising youngster?
I guess one thing you would say in his defence is that he has not had a lot of top level experience, its not always about age. You could be 40, but if you have never played in the top flight you are still going to struggle to adapt. Not sure he has ever been a promising youngster.
I see enough in Lowton, and would keep him as part of the squad at least.
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The problem we had with our own youth and the youngsters brought in was they had no one to learn from. We have obviously gone on a complete full circle.
The Stoke fans I spoke to Saturday were convinced that Stoke were stronger when Cameron played.
Riise also played as effective left winger.
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Verona is a lovely city.
Well said. You're a gentleman.
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Verona is a lovely city.
Well said. You're a gentleman.
I have only been for a day trip when staying in Venice, but I found Verona utterly enchanting. Much more so than Florence and Milan where I also visited.
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Brighton is a good move. With Hyypia and Hughes there he's done great experience to learn from. I think there is great potential with Bennett; at times he looks great and it's a confidence thing in the main.
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Good move. Either he'll come back a better player ready to fight for a place or we'll enhance his value and be able to recover our investment/make a profit on him.
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Verona is a lovely city.
Didn't say it wasn't, but I doubt that was Dave's point.
It was precisely my point. Verona's probably my favourite city in Europe.
Brighton is perfectly nice as well. It's just not as great as Verona.
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Bennett is a 'nice' footballer, but lacks the tenacity to be a top full-back in my opinion. I see more in Lowton than I do in Bennett, so I'd persevere with him as cover for Hutton (who would have thought we'd be saying that 12 months ago), but it wouldn't surprise me if Lambert does look to offload him.
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Another year's experience and he might be ready to push for a place in our team. He's shown potential at times and just looked a little raw and needing to understand his defensive duties better.
He'll be 25 at the start of next season, at what point does he stop being a promising youngster?
Same goes for the likes of Baker and Clark. There has to come a point where they turn potential into ability and consistency.
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Another year's experience and he might be ready to push for a place in our team. He's shown potential at times and just looked a little raw and needing to understand his defensive duties better.
He'll be 25 at the start of next season, at what point does he stop being a promising youngster?
Same goes for the likes of Baker and Clark. There has to come a point where they turn potential into ability and consistency.
Clark was a 'promising youngster', Baker was just a 'youngster'
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Any updates on our lots progression at various English and European outposts this weekend?
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Any updates on our lots progression at various English and European outposts this weekend?
Joe Bennett got an assist in Brighton's win against Bolton and then went off with an injury.
Jed Steer kept a clean sheet for Doncaster in their 1-0 win against some other league 1 team.
Thats all I've got for ya.
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Helenius has scored 2 in 5 games.
I'm not sure Sylla, Tonev or Luna have played yet.
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Verona is a lovely city.
Well said. You're a gentleman.
I have only been for a day trip when staying in Venice, but I found Verona utterly enchanting. Much more so than Florence and Milan where I also visited.
You're two gentlemen.
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Helenius has scored 2 in 5 games.
I'm not sure Sylla, Tonev or Luna have played yet.
Not seen too much of him in Supaliga games as there haven't been so many AaB games shown.
His first goal was a penalty, about 3 minutes after he'd come on as a sub in his first game back.
His hold up play looked good in the first half of the CL qualifier last week, and was what started the move for AaB's goal, but in and around the penalty area he looks devoid of confidence.
Try and see how he looks tomorrow.
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Gardner on loan to Brighton until January.
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On 5 live on Saturday during the match commentary they mentioned Lowton had gone out on loan, not seen it anywhere though. So they give Gardner a 1 year contract and send him out on loan?
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Lowton hasn't gone out on loan. 5 Live talking out of their proverbials just for a change.
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On 5 live on Saturday during the match commentary they mentioned Lowton had gone out on loan, not seen it anywhere though. So they give Gardner a 1 year contract and send him out on loan?
Gardner's got two years I think.
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Yes, he has.
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Is there a particular reason (aside from poor management) that Villa rarely receive any fairly decent players on loan? Was Kyle Walker the only recent exception?
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Is there a particular reason (aside from poor management) that Villa rarely receive any fairly decent players on loan? Was Kyle Walker the only recent exception?
I think it is about us not really getting the best out of the loan system, in general, really.
I wish we would. The system is shit, it shouldn't work that way, but it does, so we should be doing the best we can out of it.
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Is there a particular reason (aside from poor management) that Villa rarely receive any fairly decent players on loan? Was Kyle Walker the only recent exception?
Bertrand was nothing special, but he was clearly an upgrade on what was there before.
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Gardner came on as a sub for Brighton tonight in their win at Swindon. Bennett was benched. The last time he played there, I imagine, was the night Paolo tried to take the piss out of us.
I noticed Aalborg were in the Champs League qualifiers on ITVs round-up but got hammered by Apoel. Don't know if Helenius was involved. Odd to think that he and Tonev might have been playing in the group stages of the Champs League had their teams progressed tonight.
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Bennett started and Gardner came on at half time in their 2-2 draw with Charlton.
Steer started in goal for Doncaster as they lost 2-0 to Oldham
Johnson started for Chesterfield in their 2-1 at Port Vale (played 84 minutes)
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 2-1 win against Morecambe
From what I can see Luna, Sylla, Helenius and Tonev all their teams play tomorrow.
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It's good to see our loaned out players getting a good amount of football. Sometimes we've loaned players out and then they've ended up not playing.
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Thanks for the updates.
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I sometimes read the forums where our Loanee's are.
They reckon Donacian had a good debut after a nervous start
But Daniel Johnson must have cracked a ball off the park in the pre match warm up, then he ran from the halfway line to the back of the stands to apologise to the lad he hit, they liked that
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Bennett started and Gardner came on at half time in their 2-2 with Charlton.
Steer started in goal for Doncaster as they lost 2-0 to Oldham
Johnson started for Chesterfield in their 2-1 at Port Vale (played 84 minutes)
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 2-1 win against Morecambe
From what I can see Luna, Sylla, Helenius and Tonev all their teams play tomorrow.
Nice one. Can I be cheeky and say 'keep up the good work'?
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I sometimes read the forums where our Loanee's are.
They reckon Donacian had a good debut after a nervous start
But Daniel Johnson must have cracked a ball off the park in the pre match warm up, then he ran from the halfway line to the back of the stands to apologise to the lad he hit, they liked that
Good stuff, ta.
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Bennett started and Gardner came on at half time in their 2-2 with Charlton.
Steer started in goal for Doncaster as they lost 2-0 to Oldham
Johnson started for Chesterfield in their 2-1 at Port Vale (played 84 minutes)
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 2-1 win against Morecambe
From what I can see Luna, Sylla, Helenius and Tonev all their teams play tomorrow.
Nice one. Can I be cheeky and say 'keep up the good work'?
Sure :) I'm going to try and keep tabs on them all so I'll keep posting on here whatever I can find out.
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We'll smoke you a kipper Karlos, for when you come back.
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Gardner came on as a sub for Brighton tonight in their win at Swindon. Bennett was benched. The last time he played there, I imagine, was the night Paolo tried to take the piss out of us.
I noticed Aalborg were in the Champs League qualifiers on ITVs round-up but got hammered by Apoel. Don't know if Helenius was involved. Odd to think that he and Tonev might have been playing in the group stages of the Champs League had their teams progressed tonight.
Helenius was a second half substitute. As with the first leg, some decent hold up play and bringing others into the game, but woefully short on confidence in front of goal.
Missed their best chance of the second half, while the score was still only 2-0.
Clean through, tried to hit it early and ended up more of a back-pass.
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Helenius starting for AaB away to Silkeborg.
If you think we're goal shy, Silkeborg haven't scored in their 1st 5 games!
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Today's updates:-
Tonev is still crocked so hasn't been able to let one of his shots enter the Glasgow sky.
Helenius played the whole game for Aalborg in their 2-2 draw with Silkeborg. Didn't score but was booked.
Sylla played the whole game for Erciyesspor in their 0-0 draw with Trabzonspor. Was booked.
Luna was an unused sub for Verona as they drew 0-0 with Atalanta.
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Tonev's not injured. Celtic aren't playing him due to a request by Icelandic air traffic control.
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Now that is funny.
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Tonev's not injured. Celtic aren't playing him due to a request by Icelandic air traffic control.
Very good :)
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Tonev's not injured. Celtic aren't playing him due to a request by Icelandic air traffic control.
Still on take off at that point. AWACS is scrambled for landing.
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Donacien played the whole game for Tranmere yesterday in their 3-2 defeat against Accrington.
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Donacien played the whole game for Tranmere yesterday in their 3-2 defeat against Accrington.
He gave away a penalty, mind.
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Donacien played the whole game for Tranmere yesterday in their 3-2 defeat against Accrington.
He gave away a penalty, mind.
I think this is the loan system working well for us. It's better that a player has these problems whilst at another club rather than with us.
We've sent out some good loans this year, players that we rate, so it's a great chance for Donacien, Gardner, Steer and a few others to impress at their current clubs and improve as players. It'll get them closer to the Villa first team that U23 matches that is for sure.
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Donacien played the whole game for Tranmere yesterday in their 3-2 defeat against Accrington.
He gave away a penalty, mind.
Good, in one sense. Character forming and you learn much more in any walk of life from your mistakes I think
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Gardner and Bennett aren't impressing the Brighton fans it seems. They reckon Bennett can't defend (no surprise there) but they're accusing Gardner of lacking work rate. I'm surprised by this and hope he's not losing motivation by being out on loan again.
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Daniel Johnson actually looked good on the highlights for Chesterfield. Did we sell or loan him out?
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He was loaned to Chesterfield.
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Helenius scored the only goal last night for AaB at home to FCK.
Penalty, which was pretty much his only contribution in the box. As with the other times I've half watched AaB this season, his hold up and link up play look good, but he's completely devoid of confidence in shooting situations.
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Other updates from yesterday:-
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-0 defeat away at Bristol City.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 0-0 draw away at Hartlepool.
Bennett and Gardner played the whole game in Brighton's 3-2 defeat away at Brentford.
Johnson come on in the 22nd minute in Chesterfield's 4-1 home win against Scunthorpe.
Tonev played 71 minutes in Celtic's 2-1 home win against Aberdeen.
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Gardner and Bennett aren't impressing the Brighton fans it seems. They reckon Bennett can't defend (no surprise there) but they're accusing Gardner of lacking work rate. I'm surprised by this and hope he's not losing motivation by being out on loan again.
I thought on the few occasions I saw him that he appeared a bit "ponderous" in that he is not the most energetic in appearance.
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Bad news about Tonev.
http://www.sundaypost.com/sport/football/celtic-s-tonev-in-racism-storm-1.574873
Aberdeen have reported Celtic star Aleksander Tonev for allegedly racially abusing Shay Logan.
The Pittodrie club reported the Bulgarian internationalist to referee Bobby Madden at the end of their 2-1 defeat at Parkhead yesterday.
It’s understood Logan is adamant the winger racially abused him on two separate occasions during the first-half of yesterday’s lunchtime kick-off. Logan informed the Aberdeen coaching staff as soon as he reached the away dressing-room at the interval, and was extremely upset.
Dons boss Derek McInnes informed his opposite number, Ronny Deila, of the situation – as well as his assistant John Collins – just before the beginning of the second-half.
Tonev was already back on the pitch by then, and wasn’t confronted by both Deila and Collins until the end of the match.
The Sunday Post understands the 24-year-old vehemently denied the allegations, and insisted he never abused his opponent. But it will now be up to the SFA to try and establish if the allegations can be proven when a probe gets underway.
Both players and both managers are likely to be contacted by the SFA Disciplinary Department, as will referee Madden.
However, an SFA insider suggested it will be almost impossible to substantiate Logan’s claims.
He said: “Right now, it is one player’s word against another player’s word. Unless it was overheard by another player – or somehow captured on TV pictures – then it makes it very difficult to take the matter any further.
“A process will take place where an investigation takes place.”
Tonev arrived at Parkhead this summer on a one-year loan deal from Aston Villa with a view to a permanent deal. He was making his debut yesterday after arriving with a groin injury, and is aiming to force his way back into the Bulgarian national team.
If the allegations were to be proven, Celtic would most likely attempt to rip-up his loan agreement and send him back to his parent club.
It’s understood Villa manager Paul Lambert was also made aware of the allegations late last night as he travelled back on the team coach following his side’s 1-0 victory over Liverpool. Lambert is believed to have found Tonev’s attitude to be less than acceptable throughout his one-year spell at the English Premier League club.
The final straw was his failure to secure a visa to travel to the United States for their pre-season tour. On his return, the former Celtic midfielder told both Tonev and his agent to find a new club.
Lambert has also made it clear he doesn’t want to see the winger back at the club.
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Gardner and Bennett aren't impressing the Brighton fans it seems. They reckon Bennett can't defend (no surprise there) but they're accusing Gardner of lacking work rate. I'm surprised by this and hope he's not losing motivation by being out on loan again.
I thought on the few occasions I saw him that he appeared a bit "ponderous" in that he is not the most energetic in appearance.
´Ponderous ´sums him up I,m afraid , I watched the pre-season game vs Chesterfield ( 15 quid !! ) from behind the Villa bench and Keane was clearly not impressed with Gardner, to the point where he got up and had a real go at the him .
Gardner , who looked like he was carrying some extra timber and appeared disinterested ,did,nt feature much after that and now he,s at Brighton , have to say I,m not really surprised .........Godzvilla!
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Oh dear :-[ Anyway its good that Lambert has been quick to distance the us from the player. And that should be the case no matter who he is.
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I suppose on the one hand it's good to see Bennett and Gardner getting game time at that level. If they don't stand out though, that's pretty much all she wrote for their Villa careers, which is more sad in Gardners case.
Gardner for me is pretty slow, and his lack of game time in the past 4 years hasn't helped him either. He needs a bit too much time on the ball, so I suppose looking ponderous could give the impression he's not working hard. He's not the sort who'll run around like a dog in heat like his brother, but he's got a bit more quality about him. It just seems like he'll never get to show it at the highest level. Losing a couple of key development years has buggered his chances I reckon. Very sad. He may have to get a move to a champ or league 1 side next summer, on a permanent, like Samir has, and try and rebuild his career, starting from a lower rung of the ladder.
As for Bennett, he's playing at just about the highest level for him to be honest. He's championship at best.
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It's sad Supertom but the correct thing for the club to be doing.
Like with Samir, I hope that we have decent sell on clauses on any players that we let go as they're not worth much when leaving Villa but after a year or two of regular football they could easily fetch a few million.
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Gardner and Bennett aren't impressing the Brighton fans it seems. They reckon Bennett can't defend (no surprise there) but they're accusing Gardner of lacking work rate. I'm surprised by this and hope he's not losing motivation by being out on loan again.
I thought on the few occasions I saw him that he appeared a bit "ponderous" in that he is not the most energetic in appearance.
´Ponderous ´sums him up I,m afraid , I watched the pre-season game vs Chesterfield ( 15 quid !! ) from behind the Villa bench and Keane was clearly not impressed with Gardner, to the point where he got up and had a real go at the him .
Gardner , who looked like he was carrying some extra timber and appeared disinterested ,did,nt feature much after that and now he,s at Brighton , have to say I,m not really surprised .........Godzvilla!
More than once I've thought he looks a bit gormless
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Surprised by that. Lambert has often spoke of how professional Gardner's attitude has been and he always comes across as likeable and mature on the avtv interviews. He was given a two year deal in the summer and he clearly has the talent so I'm not going to write him off yet based on suggestions of not trying.
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Sylla played the whole game for Erciyesspor in their 2-2 draw away at Gaziantepspor.
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Sylla played the whole game for Erciyesspor in their 2-2 draw away at Gaziantepspor.
They sound like dinosaurs that my 5 year-old finds on youtube clips.
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Other updates from yesterday:-
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-0 defeat away at Bristol City.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 0-0 draw away at Hartlepool.
Bennett and Gardner played the whole game in Brighton's 3-2 defeat away at Brentford.
Johnson come on in the 22nd minute in Chesterfield's 4-1 home win against Scunthorpe.
Tonev played 71 minutes in Celtic's 2-1 home win against Aberdeen.
Thanks Karlos.
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Other updates from yesterday:-
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-0 defeat away at Bristol City.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 0-0 draw away at Hartlepool.
Bennett and Gardner played the whole game in Brighton's 3-2 defeat away at Brentford.
Johnson come on in the 22nd minute in Chesterfield's 4-1 home win against Scunthorpe.
Tonev played 71 minutes in Celtic's 2-1 home win against Aberdeen.
Thanks Karlos.
No probs :)
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are the west ham fans in the corner?
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No, Baby is.
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The last one of the weekend is Luna, Verona are playing Palermo now, he hasn't made the starting 11 or the bench.
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Surprised by that. Lambert has often spoke of how professional Gardner's attitude has been and he always comes across as likeable and mature on the avtv interviews. He was given a two year deal in the summer and he clearly has the talent so I'm not going to write him off yet based on suggestions of not trying.
I don't think there's an attitude problem with Gardner, but I agree he looks slow and ponderous.
I'm hoping that a run of games will mean he gets up to speed, but I do have reservations.
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Surprised by that. Lambert has often spoke of how professional Gardner's attitude has been and he always comes across as likeable and mature on the avtv interviews. He was given a two year deal in the summer and he clearly has the talent so I'm not going to write him off yet based on suggestions of not trying.
I don't think there's an attitude problem with Gardner, but I agree he looks slow and ponderous.
I'm hoping that a run of games will mean he gets up to speed, but I do have reservations.
He's always looked slow footed too. With the pace of the game at this level, I think he'd really struggle, because if he receives a pass with an opposition player bearing down on him, I'm not sure he's got the speed in his feet to get control of the ball and shift it on before losing it. When you look at Barry as a comparison, despite a lack of pace, he was always quick footed and very good at getting out of tight spots. GG doesn't appear to have that. He can pick a pass, he can strike a shot well, but he'll perhaps need to much time to do so at this level.
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Daniel Johnson set up 2 goals in Chesterfield's 4-1 win and also won a penalty (which was missed).
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Callum Robinson has gone on loan to Preston.
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Callum Robinson has gone on loan to Preston.
Excellent news. Lets hope he shows up well and scores a few.
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Preston North End FC (http://www.pnefc.net/news/article/north-end-loan-international-forward-from-aston-villa-160914-1918678.aspx)
North End Loan International Forward From Aston Villa
England U20 international striker Callum Robinson has joined the Lilywhites on a youth loan and goes straight into the squad for the home game against Chesterfield.
The 19-year-old, who scored a brace on his U20 debut for the Three Lions recently has made five senior appearances for the Premier League side and joins PNE up to and including 18th October.
A product of the Villains’ youth academy, the Northampton-born front man made his debut for Paul Lambert’s side against Tottenham in September 2013 and made further appearances in the Premier League in 2013/14.
Callum has played for England at youth level from U16 all the way up to U20, making his debut in their win over Romania just 11 days ago, where he scored twice in a 6-0 triumph for Aidy Boothroyd’s men at Telford.
Manager Simon Grayson was delighted to add Callum to his attacking options after a weekend that saw his squad depleted by injuries and suspensions, he said: “It is no secret that we have needed another striker in.
“He's a player we have watched a lot. Villa hold him in high regard and that is why they have only just allowed him to come out on loan.
“He has a great attitude, is pacy, tricky and can play down the middle or wide in a three. His is an England international and we have beaten a lot of other clubs to his signature.
“We are very grateful to Paul Lambert for allowing him to come here and hopefully it will benefit Villa, the player and of course ourselves.”
Callum has been given the No.27 shirt and goes straight into the squad for the visit of Paul Cook’s Spireites to Deepdale and he is also eligible for the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy tie with Port Vale as well as the league games during the period.
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Tonight's updates:-
Steer played the whole game for Doncaster in their 0-0 draw at home to Crawley.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 0-0 draw at home to Newport.
Bennett played the whole game in Brighton's 2-0 defeat away to Ipswich. Gardner was on the bench never got on.
Johnson played the whole game in their 3-3 draw away at Preston. Robinson come on for Preston in the 67 minute.
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I see Bowery scored. I know its not a loan player but thought I'd mention it.
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Tonight's updates:-
Steer played the whole game for Doncaster in their 0-0 draw at home to Crawley.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 0-0 draw at home to Newport.
Bennett played the whole game in Brighton's 2-0 defeat away to Ipswich. Gardner was on the bench never got on.
Johnson played the whole game in their 3-3 draw away at Preston. Robinson come on for Preston in the 67 minute.
Thank you, it is very good of you to provide these updates every week and make for interesting reading, much appreciated
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Tonight's updates:-
Steer played the whole game for Doncaster in their 0-0 draw at home to Crawley.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 0-0 draw at home to Newport.
Bennett played the whole game in Brighton's 2-0 defeat away to Ipswich. Gardner was on the bench never got on.
Johnson played the whole game in their 3-3 draw away at Preston. Robinson come on for Preston in the 67 minute.
Thank you, it is very good of you to provide these updates every week and make for interesting reading, much appreciated
No probs mate, just wish some of the sites would put a bit more information on like assists etc.
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Tonight's updates:-
Steer played the whole game for Doncaster in their 0-0 draw at home to Crawley.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 0-0 draw at home to Newport.
Bennett played the whole game in Brighton's 2-0 defeat away to Ipswich. Gardner was on the bench never got on.
Johnson played the whole game in their 3-3 draw away at Preston. Robinson come on for Preston in the 67 minute.
Thank you, it is very good of you to provide these updates every week and make for interesting reading, much appreciated
I concur.
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Callum Robinson has gone on loan to Preston.
Just shows that the 'Under 21' teams are a load of nonsense. If that system was any good, Robinson would be exactly the age of player to benefit.
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Hope he can make an impression there.
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Callum Robinson has gone on loan to Preston.
Just shows that the 'Under 21' teams are a load of nonsense. If that system was any good, Robinson would be exactly the age of player to benefit.
He saw the benefit last season and made the bench a fair bit later in the season (and had a few decent cameos) this season he'll get more benefit from some senior games, seems fair to me.
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There are two different schools of thought. Southampton don't send their players out on loan because they don't want them picking up bad habits. But they have of course been able to introduce many of them when they were themselves in the lower leagues
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Southampton seem to have been finding and developing very good prospects though. They blooded Chambers into the team last season for example and then sold him for £16m to Arsenal. If you have talents like that you can afford to bring them straight into the senior squad and not loan them out.
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I like young players to go out to smaller clubs to see what life out of the cosseted big club is like ie Tranmere & Chesterfield aren't going to have facilities like Bodymoor.
These youngsters have already been identified as talents - discovering hunger for the biggest stage and fear of failure will only add to that talent...
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Tonight's updates:-
Tonev came on in the 67th minute in Celtic's 2-2 draw at Salzburg.
Helenius came on in the 63rd minute in Aalborg's 6-0 defeat away at Steau Bucharest.
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Latest on Tonev charge: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/29285903
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Should be sacked if found guilty - end of.
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Should be sacked if found guilty - end of.
Absolutely.
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He should. But only if the club are convinced that he is guilty; not because, right now, he seems to be a drain on our wages;
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It seems that no officials, other players or Sky microphones picked up the alleged comment, so how the hell could he be found guilty? Celtic appear to be backing him, and how could they do otherwise?
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Yesterday's updates:
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-2 win against Chesterfield. Johnson played the whole game for Chesterfield.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 2-1 defeat against Exeter.
Bennett played the whole game in Brighton's 0-0 against Blackpool. Gardner was on the bench never got on.
Sylla played the whole game in Erciyesspor's 2-1 defeat against Akhisar Belediye.
Preston won 2-0 against Crawley, Robinson was on the bench never got on.
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Yesterday's updates:
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-2 win against Chesterfield. Johnson played the whole game for Chesterfield.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 2-1 defeat against Exeter.
Bennett played the whole game in Brighton's 0-0 against Blackpool. Gardner was on the bench never got on.
Sylla played the whole game in Erciyesspor's 2-1 defeat against Akhisar Belediye.
Preston won 2-0 against Crawley, Robinson was on the bench never got on.
Thank you Karlos
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Yesterday's updates:
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-2 win against Chesterfield. Johnson played the whole game for Chesterfield.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 2-1 defeat against Exeter.
Bennett played the whole game in Brighton's 0-0 against Blackpool. Gardner was on the bench never got on.
Sylla played the whole game in Erciyesspor's 2-1 defeat against Akhisar Belediye.
Preston won 2-0 against Crawley, Robinson was on the bench never got on.
It is actually Akhisar Belediyespor. I had to check it out because I wasn't sure if Sylla's team had been beaten by another side or just one bloke called Akhisar Belediye.
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Yesterday's updates:
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-2 win against Chesterfield. Johnson played the whole game for Chesterfield.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 2-1 defeat against Exeter.
Bennett played the whole game in Brighton's 0-0 against Blackpool. Gardner was on the bench never got on.
Sylla played the whole game in Erciyesspor's 2-1 defeat against Akhisar Belediye.
Preston won 2-0 against Crawley, Robinson was on the bench never got on.
It is actually Akhisar Belediyespor. I had to check it out because I wasn't sure if Sylla's team had been beaten by another side or just one bloke called Akhisar Belediye.
I just took the name off a results website I use that's how they had the name on there, all their names seem made up anyway never heard of half of them lol.
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Yesterday's updates:
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-2 win against Chesterfield. Johnson played the whole game for Chesterfield.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 2-1 defeat against Exeter.
Bennett played the whole game in Brighton's 0-0 against Blackpool. Gardner was on the bench never got on.
Sylla played the whole game in Erciyesspor's 2-1 defeat against Akhisar Belediye.
Preston won 2-0 against Crawley, Robinson was on the bench never got on.
It is actually Akhisar Belediyespor. I had to check it out because I wasn't sure if Sylla's team had been beaten by another side or just one bloke called Akhisar Belediye.
I just took the name off a results website I use that's how they had the name on there, all their names seem made up anyway never heard of half of them lol.
They sound like the sort of name you have with the made up teams on Pro Evo master league.
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Last two of the weekend:
Tonev started but was subbed at half time in Celtic's 1-1 with Motherwell.
Verona won 1-0 away at Torino - Luna was on the bench never got on.
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Callum Robinson has gone on loan to Preston.
Just shows that the 'Under 21' teams are a load of nonsense. If that system was any good, Robinson would be exactly the age of player to benefit.
He saw the benefit last season and made the bench a fair bit later in the season (and had a few decent cameos) this season he'll get more benefit from some senior games, seems fair to me.
I was watching my local club Polonia Warszawa last week who have been promoted to the Polish third division (I know). During the second half they made a 4th sub and the bloke next to me said that it was possible to make 4 subs as long as one of them is an under-21 player. I thought that was a good rule and would encourage teams to use young players more. In fact I'd keep it at 3 subs but make it that one had to be under-21. Thought I'd share that with you all.
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Last two of the weekend:
Tonev started but was subbed at half time in Celtic's 1-1 with Motherwell.
Verona won 1-0 away at Torino - Luna was on the bench never got on.
Luna's probably wondering why he's been left out again whilst Tonev readies his next denial.
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So after the first month of the season none of our loanees are exactly "ripping it up". Time ticking on their Villa futures...
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Last two of the weekend:
Tonev started but was subbed at half time in Celtic's 1-1 with Motherwell.
Verona won 1-0 away at Torino - Luna was on the bench never got on.
Luna's probably wondering why he's been left out again whilst Tonev readies his next denial.
I wonder why Tonev was subbed at half time? Was he damaging the empty seats in row-Z with his wayward shots?
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From the OS
JED STEER played 90 minutes as Doncaster ended their six-month wait for a home win with a thrilling triumph over Chesterfield in League One.
DANIEL JOHNSON also played 90 minutes - but for The Spireites.
Nathan Tyson headed home a Reece Wabara cross before Kyle Bennett lashed in off the crossbar to double Rovers' lead.
Sam Clucas pulled one back for the visitors as he pounced on a rebound, only for Jamie McCombe to score in similar fashion and restore the two-goal cushion soon after.
Eoin Doyle set up a nervy finish with a tap in but Doncaster held on.
The win moved Paul Dickov's side up to 15th in the table, while Chesterfield slipped to fifth.
CALLUM ROBINSON was an unused sub as Preston North End beat former Villa boss John Gregory's Crawley Town 2-0 in League One at Deepdale.
It was their first win in four league games.
Crawley goalkeeper Jamie Ashdown produced a magnificent save to deny Joe Garner, but from the resulting corner Preston went ahead.
Bailey Wright expertly tucked home from inside the area, but the Reds almost provided an immediate response as Dean Leacock hit the bar with a header.
Midway through the second half Garner wrapped up the win, slotting home a penalty after Mat Sadler handled.
JOE BENNETT played 90 minutes while GARY GARDNER remained on the bench as Brighton drew 0-0 with Blackpool at home in the Championship.
The Seagulls, now without a win in four league games, found visiting goalkeeper Joe Lewis in excellent form at the Amex Stadium as he pulled off a string of important saves.
JANOI DONACIEN played 90 minutes in the heart of the Tranmere defence as they went down 2-1 at home to Exeter City.
Jordan Moore-Taylor's superb second-half header was enough to earn the win at Prenton Park.
The visitors took a sixth-minute lead when David Wheeler's lob was only palmed goalwards by Owain Fon Williams for Graham Cummins to head home.
Danny Holmes' deflected shot found the bottom corner from the edge of the box to pull Rovers level on 25 minutes.
But the visitors won it when Moore-Taylor's 69th-minute diving header went in off the underside of the crossbar.
ALEKSANDAR TONEV played 45 minutes - replaced by former Derby and Nottingham Forest forward Kris Commons - as Celtic drew 1-1 at home to Motherwell.
John Sutton gave the visitors a shock lead and should have doubled his tally shortly afterwards when he found himself free in front of goal.
Motherwell were in the ascendancy but Stuart McCall's side could not record a first win at Celtic Park since 2008 as a penalty from Commons levelled matters.
But the point leaves Celtic five adrift of SPL league leaders Dundee United.
YACOUBA SYLLA played 90 minutes as his side Kayseri Erciyesspor went down 2-1 to Akhisar Belediyespor in the Turkish Super League.
Cenk Alkılıç opened the scoring for the hosts but goals from Theofanis Gekas - including one in the final minute - earned the victory for the visitors.
Kayseri Erciyesspor are 15th in the league table, which consists of 18 sides.
ANTONIO LUNA was an unused sub as his side Hellas Verona beat Torino 1-0 in the Stadio Olimpico di Torino.
It was the visitors who came away with all three points, thanks to substitute Artur Ionita's goal.
The hosts had a golden opportunity to take a well-deserved point but a penalty and rebound save by Verona goalkeeper Rafeal from El Kaddouri meant Verona continued their unbeaten start to the season in Serie A.
NICKLAS HELENIUS came on as a sub for 23 minutes as Aalborg went down 6-0 to Steaua Bucharest in the Europa League on Thursday.
Goals came from Lucian Sanmartean, Raul Rusescu [2], Claudiu Keseru [3].
They travel to Vestsjælland in the Danish Super League tonight.
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Callum Robinson has gone on loan to Preston.
Just shows that the 'Under 21' teams are a load of nonsense. If that system was any good, Robinson would be exactly the age of player to benefit.
He saw the benefit last season and made the bench a fair bit later in the season (and had a few decent cameos) this season he'll get more benefit from some senior games, seems fair to me.
I was watching my local club Polonia Warszawa last week who have been promoted to the Polish third division (I know). During the second half they made a 4th sub and the bloke next to me said that it was possible to make 4 subs as long as one of them is an under-21 player. I thought that was a good rule and would encourage teams to use young players more. In fact I'd keep it at 3 subs but make it that one had to be under-21. Thought I'd share that with you all.
I like that... a lot. Forces the use of some youngster being picked on the bench. I would definitely instantly include it for extra time, I've always wanted an additional sub for then anyway.
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Looks like Herd is the next one to go out on loan to Bolton for a month:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29313825?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Looks like Herd is the next one to go out on loan to Bolton for a month:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29313825?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Fairly decent move for him. Don't think we'll ever see him in a Villa shirt again.
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Looks like Herd is the next one to go out on loan to Bolton for a month:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29313825?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Fairly decent move for him. Don't think we'll ever see him in a Villa shirt again.
I don't either, to be honest I think the majority of the ones out on loan we won't see again.
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One update from this evening:
Helenius played the whole game in Aalborg's 1-0 defeat away to Vestsjaelland.
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Bennett can come back and be competition for Aly next season, I worry about Gardner if he can't even get on the pitch at Brighton, the rest can disappear for good apart from the youngsters just starting out like Robinson
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Why do they bother going into such detail about games where our players didn't play? I know i don't give two shits if they haven't taken part. In fact even when they do just tell me our player was amazing. That'll do.
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Herd hasn't played competitive football in an age so a loan move seems sensible for him.
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thanks you for all the updates on the players on loan well done
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I wonder if Stevens, Burke or Lowton will be next.
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I wonder if Stevens, Burke or Lowton will be next.
may aswell send all three out.
Lowton has ability but doubt he has the mental or physical strength to make it at the top level.
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Presumably Lowton's screwed unless one of the Sheffield clubs come in for him.
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Am I the only one who quite likes Herd?
Don't get me wrong, he's no genius, but he's versatile, doesn't hide and always puts in a shift.
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Am I the only one who quite likes Herd?
Don't get me wrong, he's no genius, but he's versatile, doesn't hide and always puts in a shift.
I like him for those same reasons. The major problem is ability and his level is probably Championship at best unfortunately. I quite liked Holman too. He was all action, and it seemed to matter to him, but unfortunately he was a bit bobbins.
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Am I the only one who quite likes Herd?
Don't get me wrong, he's no genius, but he's versatile, doesn't hide and always puts in a shift.
Agreed, problem is the flip side to jack of all trades is 'master of none'. Handy player to have on the bench as he can cover a number of positions in case of injury but suspect he will be looking for a bit more than that.
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I like him
I quite like Chris Herd as a player. There, i've said it. It's like a weight off my shoulders. I'm PWS, and I quite like Chris Herd.
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According to Tom Ross - Mikey Drennan has joined Portsmouth on a one month loan.
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Gardner and Herd started for Brighton & Bolton in the league cup ties tonight.
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According to Tom Ross - Mikey Drennan has joined Portsmouth on a one month loan.
He was there last season so must have impressed though he/the club may have had designs on a club higher up the pyramid wanting to give him games.
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Am I the only one who quite likes Herd?
Don't get me wrong, he's no genius, but he's versatile, doesn't hide and always puts in a shift.
The problem with Herd is like Baker, he can come in and do well for a game or two...but when he plays for 4-5 games his limitations at this level become all too obviously.
I'm o.k keeping him in the squad this season as he can cover options but with barely any injuries atm makes sense to give him some games on loan.
Edit: Are there two Paulie's on this site now, banging on about keeping possesion all the time and liking Herd, can that be mutually exclusive? ;)
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Updates from today:
Sylla's team played in the Turkish cup today can't find anything online about the line ups. His team lost 1-0 anyway so even if he did play he never did anything of note.
Gardner played the whole game in Brighton's 3-0 win away at Burton. Bennett didn't play and wasn't on the bench, I am assuming he was rested not heard of him picking up an injury.
Herd played the whole game in Bolton's 2-1 defeat away at Chelsea. Was booked.
Luna's team Verona drew 2-2 with Genoa he never played and wasn't on the bench either.
Tonev came on in the 72nd minute in Celtic's 3-0 win over Hearts.
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Gardner assisted for Brighton's first, nice helping header onto the scorer.
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Am I the only one who quite likes Herd?
Don't get me wrong, he's no genius, but he's versatile, doesn't hide and always puts in a shift.
I like him for those same reasons. The major problem is ability and his level is probably Championship at best unfortunately. I quite liked Holman too. He was all action, and it seemed to matter to him, but unfortunately he was a bit bobbins.
My God, I'd totally forgotten about Holman. Hard worker and I liked him to. Got a few goals as well, which we've struggled with from midfield for basically forever.
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There was one update from yesterday Helenius come on in the 57th minute in Aalborg's 0-0 against Randers.
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Jed Steer has gone off injured at Walsall.
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Today's updates:-
Steer played 30 minutes in Doncaster's 3-0 defeat away at Walsall. As PWS said above he went off injured. I've had a look online but haven't been able to find out what his injury is yet.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere Rovers 1-0 defeat away at Carlisle.
Verona lost 2-0 away at Roma, Luna was on the bench never got on.
Bennett played the whole game in Brighton's 0-0 away at Nottingham Forest was booked. Gardner came on in the 88th minute.
Johnson played the whole game in Chesterfield's 1-1 at home to Notts County.
Celtic won 2-1 away at St Mirren - Tonev was on the bench never got on.
Bolton lost 2-0 at home to Derby - Herd never started and wasn't on the bench either.
Robinson came on in the 77th minute in Preston's 2-0 win at Coventry.
Drennan came on in the 62nd minute in Portsmouth's 0-0 with Hartlepool.
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Jaysus, not a positive bit of news from the whole lot! The Fonz scored the opening goal for Blackpool against Norwich, I saw.
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I fear Gardner is never going to make it.
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Last one of the weekend:
Sylla played the whole game for Erciyesspor in their 1-1 away at Konyaspor.
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I fear Gardner is never going to make it.
I don't think he will either. Not sure if those injuries have taken too much of a toll on him.
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Bennett and Gardner both played the whole game for Brighton tonight in their 1-1 with Cardiff.
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The Football League Show suggested Steer had a hip injury.
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Bennett was motm for brighton. Gardner got mixed reports but it seems was better than his first few games
I'm not sure he'll make it but I'll reserve judgement for a full year given his horrendous luck with injuries
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Bennett was motm for brighton. Gardner got mixed reports but it seems was better than his first few games
I'm not sure he'll make it but I'll reserve judgement for a full year given his horrendous luck with injuries
Yeah, it's a tricky one. It took Delph a long time to get his game back, Ramsey too, so Gardner deserves the same privilege.
I think the club did well putting him on a 2 year deal (arguably he did not deserve it) as we now have a whole season which can be written off. The loan move is also good for him, as hopefully he can play regularly.
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Yeah, as others have said, Delph struggled pretty badly for about 18months (Mcleish season and the until christmas under Lambert) with a lot of people writing him off at that point but once the fitness and match sharpness was there and the fear of being injured was gone we saw him become the player we hoped we were getting. The fitness is the key, when you're (comparatively) unfit basic skills don't just happen like they should. When you play in a league that is such a high tempo those basic errors become even more exaggerated.
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A bit worrying that the majority of our on loan players do not even make the starting line ups .
I do think we get a bit carried away with their readyness for the first team at times.
Hopefully the unfettered optimism surrounding Grealish currently will not prove misplaced.
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I think there's a lot more too it than just that, Herd for example will probably become a regular but he's only been with them for a couple of weeks so getting used to other players in training, etc. Drennan and Robinson shouldn't be starting regularly yet, they're best off both being eased in over a month or 2, Gardner is the same for different reasons. Tonev and Luna not getting much/any time are the ones to worry about, they're both fit and have played a decent amount of games at senior level in decent leagues, they really should be starting.
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Gardners biggest problem was his injuries coming at key times during his development. He's barely played between 18-21 when ideally he'd have notched up 50 or so games at a good level, including ourselves. Delph of course had his first three years here all but written off, but he'd already at that stage played about 50 games for Leeds.
It's really unfortunate. He's 22 now, he's coming up to that make it or break it stage for us. I think a permanent move, where he can get adequate game time is best for him next season.
A lot was expected as of course he was seen as the far more naturally talented of the siblings but of course Craig managed to get a fair bit of game time between 18-21 for us. Whilst he might be a limited player, he's stayed in and is still plying his trade in the Premier League.
I hope he makes it in the long run but I don't think he'll make it as a Villa player. Unless he ends up back here in 5 years.
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Let's wait and see how things look by Christmas before writing him off, if he can stay fit and force his way into the starting line-up we'll start to see what he can become.
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Herd played the whole game for Bolton in their 4-0 defeat away at Fulham, he was booked. The site where I checked the result suggest he played the game at right back.
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Gardner seems to have picked up in the last 2-3 games for Brighton. Lets not forget how long match fitness and sharpness will take. Give him time. Hypia seems to be a decent manager to learn from too.
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Tonight's updates:
Helenius played 78 minutes for Aalborg in their 1-0 win against Rio Ave. Helenius scored the goal :)
Tonev played 88 minutes for Celtic in their 1-0 win against Dinamo Zagreb.
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Gardner seems to have picked up in the last 2-3 games for Brighton. Lets not forget how long match fitness and sharpness will take. Give him time. Hypia seems to be a decent manager to learn from too.
Yes. I'd give him several months before taking a view. It's not just fitness, it's a huge amount of development time he's missed
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Tonight's updates:
Helenius played 78 minutes for Aalborg in their 1-0 win against Rio Ave. Helenius scored the goal :)
Tonev played 88 minutes for Celtic in their 1-0 win against Dinamo Zagreb.
Good on you gladiator, I really hope he kicks on and shows his ability again, I'm not ready to give up on him, looked a very good player in the bits and pieces we saw.
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Tonight's updates:
Helenius played 78 minutes for Aalborg in their 1-0 win against Rio Ave. Helenius scored the goal :)
Tonev played 88 minutes for Celtic in their 1-0 win against Dinamo Zagreb.
Good on you gladiator, I really hope he kicks on and shows his ability again, I'm not ready to give up on him, looked a very good player in the bits and pieces we saw.
Not sure if it has been mentioned here but I read he had some off field issues, maybe a virus, which knocked him out for most of last season.
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Not sure if it has been mentioned here but I read he had some off field issues, maybe a virus, which knocked him out for most of last season.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=49933.570
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Tonight's updates:
Helenius played 78 minutes for Aalborg in their 1-0 win against Rio Ave. Helenius scored the goal :)
Tonev played 88 minutes for Celtic in their 1-0 win against Dinamo Zagreb.
Good on you gladiator, I really hope he kicks on and shows his ability again, I'm not ready to give up on him, looked a very good player in the bits and pieces we saw.
Excellent news. Good on him, I'd love to see him back one day and prove himself.
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Gardner seems to have picked up in the last 2-3 games for Brighton. Lets not forget how long match fitness and sharpness will take. Give him time. Hypia seems to be a decent manager to learn from too.
Yes. I'd give him several months before taking a view. It's not just fitness, it's a huge amount of development time he's missed
Brighton fans seem to be liking Gardner and Bennett: http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?310066-Bennett-and-Gardner&highlight=gary+gardner
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Good to see, it looks like, as I suspected, Gardner has had a bit of a slow start but hopefully he'll step things up over the next few months. He's got ability but he really needs a run of games (and fitness) to see if it's enough to be the player we thought was coming when he was 16.
Their comments on Bennett mirror my opinion of him, good going forward and has some real quality but can be suspect defensively. I still think he'll end up playing at premier league level as a left winger, he's got the work rate, crossing and technique for it and without the confidence draining defensive howlers he might start believing in himself more.
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Well, quite. A lot already condemning Gardner to lower-league wasteland when in truth, he's still gearing-up to playing at a competitive high level consistently for the first time in his career.
Gardner pinged what was probably the best long pass i have witnessed last night.He also had a few other beauties as well.Absolute class.
More please and thank you.
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Good to read the comments, especially about Gary Gardner. It's going to take him a few months of playing to get back up to speed, but if he does we could (fingers crossed), have one hell of a player.
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Today's updates:
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 2-1 win away at Scunthorpe.
Donacien played the game in Tranmere's 2-0 defeat away at Bury.
Verona won 1-0 against Cagliarli - Luna was on the bench never got on.
Gardner and Bennett played the whole game for Brighton in their 1-1 away at Watford. Gardner was booked.
Sylla played for 71 minutes in Erciyesspor's 2-1 defeat against Galatasaray.
Johnson played the whole game in Chesterfield's 3-2 win against Sheffield United.
Herd played the whole game for Bolton in their 2-1 defeat against Bournemouth, he was booked.
Drennan played 69 minutes in Portsmouth's 0-0 away at York City.
Robinson came on in the 68th minute in Preston's 4-2 win against Colchester.
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That's the quantitative data, anyone got the qualitative?
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Today's updates:
Helenius played the whole game in Aalborg's 2-1 defeat away at Brondby.
Tonev come on in the 61st minute in their 1-0 defeat against Hamilton.
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Johnson is getting rave reviews from the Chesterfield fans. He has been playing regularly and running the show in most games. They want him on loan for the rest of the season or possibly put a bid in for him. IMO i dont think he would make it at the villa, and as a Villa/Chesterfield fan i would like him to stay for the rest of the season to push the spireites as high as possible this season!
UTV
http://www.thecfss.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=51948
http://www.thecfss.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=51935
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Johnson is getting rave reviews from the Chesterfield fans. He has been playing regularly and running the show in most games. They want him on loan for the rest of the season or possibly put a bid in for him. IMO i dont think he would make it at the villa, and as a Villa/Chesterfield fan i would like him to stay for the rest of the season to push the spireites as high as possible this season!
UTV
http://www.thecfss.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=51948
http://www.thecfss.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=51935
I had high hopes for Johnson. He's mobile, he can pass the ball and he's probably got a few goals in him too. He just hasn't been able to make the step up for us. He looked out of his depth in the few times he appeared for us this pre-season sadly.
Glad he's doing well for Chesterfield though. If he's lucky he'll have a few Championship or League 1 clubs eyeing him for next summer.
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Today's updates:
Helenius played the whole game in Aalborg's 2-1 defeat away at Brondby.
Tonev come on in the 61st minute in their 1-0 defeat against Hamilton.
Caught the last 20 minutes of AaB v Brøndby.
As with previous games, hold up / link play was pretty good, looking short of confidence in the box.
Unlucky with a header right at the end, keeper made a really good save.
There's an interview with him next Friday talking about what he's been through which I'll try and catch.
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Couple of updates from tonight's games in the Johnstone's Paint Trophy:
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-0 win away at Burton.
Donacien played 64 minutes in Tranmere's 1-1 with Carlisle.
Preston won 3-2 against Port Vale, Robinson didn't play and wasn't on the bench.
Portsmouth lost 2-1 against Northampton, Drennan didn't play and wasn't on the bench.
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Couple of updates from tonight's games in the Johnstone's Paint Trophy:
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-0 win away at Burton.
Donacien played 64 minutes in Tranmere's 1-1 with Carlisle.
Preston won 3-2 against Port Vale, Robinson didn't play and wasn't on the bench.
Portsmouth lost 2-1 against Northampton, Drennan didn't play and wasn't on the bench.
I think the missing lads are with England u20s due to play Germany.
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Couple of updates from tonight's games in the Johnstone's Paint Trophy:
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-0 win away at Burton.
Donacien played 64 minutes in Tranmere's 1-1 with Carlisle.
Preston won 3-2 against Port Vale, Robinson didn't play and wasn't on the bench.
Portsmouth lost 2-1 against Northampton, Drennan didn't play and wasn't on the bench.
I think the missing lads are with England u20s due to play Germany.
Robinson is with England, but Mikey Drennan is an Irishman from Kilkenny.
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Celtic fans not rating Tonev
http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/topic/9132768/56/
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Celtic fans not rating Tonev
http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/topic/9132768/56/
He's been sussed, is all.
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Tonev is Stan Petrovs greatest ever practical joke. I'm sure of it. In much the same way that Ferguson must have chuckled heartily to himself when McLeish was unveiled here.
Tonev is a really poor player though. It says a lot about the league he came from that he looks out of his depth in the SPL. After this season he'll go back to a league in Eastern Europe where he'll be more in his element. We took a punt but it hasn't worked out.
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Tonev is Stan Petrovs greatest ever practical joke. I'm sure of it. In much the same way that Ferguson must have chuckled heartily to himself when McLeish was unveiled here.
Tonev is a really poor player though. It says a lot about the league he came from that he looks out of his depth in the SPL. After this season he'll go back to a league in Eastern Europe where he'll be more in his element. We took a punt but it hasn't worked out.
So did he, frequently
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Tonev is Stan Petrovs greatest ever practical joke. I'm sure of it. In much the same way that Ferguson must have chuckled heartily to himself when McLeish was unveiled here.
Tonev is a really poor player though. It says a lot about the league he came from that he looks out of his depth in the SPL. After this season he'll go back to a league in Eastern Europe where he'll be more in his element. We took a punt but it hasn't worked out.
So did he, frequently
That'll be on Tonev's tombstone one day. "He took a punt but it didn't work out."
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Tonev is Stan Petrovs greatest ever practical joke. I'm sure of it. In much the same way that Ferguson must have chuckled heartily to himself when McLeish was unveiled here.
Tonev is a really poor player though. It says a lot about the league he came from that he looks out of his depth in the SPL. After this season he'll go back to a league in Eastern Europe where he'll be more in his element. We took a punt but it hasn't worked out.
So did he, frequently
That'll be on Tonev's tombstone one day. "He took a punt but it didn't work out."
Or:
"Even the law of averages failed him"
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Did we really spend £3m on him? A rare aberration on money misspent by Lambert. We got Westwood and Bacuna combined for that amount, didn't we?
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Did we really spend £3m on him? A rare aberration on money misspent by Lambert. We got Westwood and Bacuna combined for that amount, didn't we?
Westwood was a million sterling, Bacuna a million euros.
But as hardly any of the figures from that summer were reported correctly, it wouldn't surprise me if £3m for Tonev was massively exaggerated as well.
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Yeah, true, hopefully.
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Did we really spend £3m on him? A rare aberration on money misspent by Lambert. We got Westwood and Bacuna combined for that amount, didn't we?
Celtic and Werder Bremen also wanted him, we stole him at the last minute so that bidding war pushed the price up.
Although Celtic being Celtic and Bremen currently bottom of Bundesliga give an indication the cream of europe were hardly after him.
I didn't get a good feeling when on his debut v Liverpool, we had a free kick 30 yards out in the last minute with plenty in the box and he hit it into row F of the Holte End.
He makes N'zogbia look a reasonably intelligent footballer.
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Was quite excited when I first saw him. It was a friendly (possibly against Malaga) and he took our corners, with his left or right foot depending on which side he was taking them from.
I've never seen that before.
Mind you, the corners were massively over-hit.
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Enda Stevens off to Northampton Town one month emergency loan!
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Northampton Chronicle (http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/wilder-confirms-loan-signing-stevens-will-go-straight-into-cobblers-team-1-6351492)
Wilder confirms loan signing Stevens will go straight into Cobblers team
by Jeremy Casey
jeremy.casey@northantsnews.co.uk
Boss Chris Wilder has confirmed that new loan signing Enda Stevens will go straight into the Cobblers team to take on Burton Albion at Sixfields on Saturday.
The Irishman has signed for a month from Premier League outfit Aston Villa and is a forward-thinking left-back, and Wilder wants to utilise his talents straight away.
Gregor Robertson has played left-back for the majority of the season, and is available again after serving his one-match ban for being sent-off at Wycombe Wanderers, but it seems the Scotsman may have to stay on the sidelines.
“It’s been pretty obvious with Evan Horwood being out all season and not really kicking a ball for us, we have been light in that area (left-back),” said Wilder.
“Enda is a player that we watched last season when he was at Doncaster, he has an excellent CV, and he has become available.
“I think it is a really good one for us, he is an attacking left-back, and he will go straight into the team on Saturday.”
Stevens is 24, and has played Premier League and Europa League football, as well as being a double title winner during his time with League Of Ireland side Shamrock Rovers, the club from which Villa signed him in January, 2012.
“Enda has played in Aston Villa’s first team, and you don’t sign for a club like Aston Villa if you’ve not got anything about you,” said the Cobblers boss.
“He wants to get back playing some first team football, which is good, and he sees us as a good fit for a month, so we will take it from there.”
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Anyone know how Donacien is doing at Tranmere?
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I'm pretty sure Petrov had nothing to do with Tonevs signing.
Tonev was interviewed on the club site on signing with Petrov acting as interpreter. At one point Petrov was asked whether he had recommended him to the club to which Petrov replied he hadnt.
I must admit I thought that he would have done if he was any good.
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Updates from today:
Donacien played the whole game for Tranmere in their 1-0 defeat against Plymouth.
Johnson played 68 minutes for Chesterfield in their 3-2 defeat away to Bristol City.
Drennan played 68 minutes for Portsmouth in their 1-1 against Mansfield.
Stevens played the whole game for Northampton in the 2-1 defeat against Burton, he was booked.
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Updates from Friday and Saturday:
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-1 defeat away at Fleetwood.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 2-0 defeat away at Oxford, he was booked.
Gardner and Bennett played the whole game in Brighton's 2-1 defeat against Middlesbrough, Gardner was booked.
Stevens played the whole game in Northampton's 3-2 defeat away at Cheltenham.
Helenius played 68 minutes in Aalborg's 1-1 with Hobro.
Johnson played 88 minutes in Chesterfield's 1-1 with Oldham.
Celtic won 5-0 against Ross County - Tonev didn't start wasn't on the bench either.
Bolton won 1-0 against Small Heath :) - Herd didn't start wasn't on the bench either.
Drennan played 62 minutes in Portsmouth's 3-0 defeat away at Bury, he was booked.
Robinson came on in the 70th minute in Preston's 2-0 win against Port Vale.
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Updates from Friday and Saturday:
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-1 defeat away at Fleetwood.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 2-0 defeat away at Oxford, he was booked.
Gardner and Bennett played the whole game in Brighton's 2-1 defeat against Middlesbrough, Gardner was booked.
Stevens played the whole game in Northampton's 3-2 defeat away at Cheltenham.
Helenius played 68 minutes in Aalborg's 1-1 with Hobro.
Johnson played 88 minutes in Chesterfield's 1-1 with Oldham.
Celtic won 5-0 against Ross County - Tonev didn't start wasn't on the bench either.
Bolton won 1-0 against Small Heath :) - Herd didn't start wasn't on the bench either.
Drennan played 62 minutes in Portsmouth's 3-0 defeat away at Bury, he was booked.
Robinson came on in the 70th minute in Preston's 2-0 win against Port Vale.
Bloody hell. Only one of our players involved in a win, and then only for the last twenty minutes. The losing habit travels well.
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Updates from Friday and Saturday:
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 3-1 defeat away at Fleetwood.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 2-0 defeat away at Oxford, he was booked.
Gardner and Bennett played the whole game in Brighton's 2-1 defeat against Middlesbrough, Gardner was booked.
Stevens played the whole game in Northampton's 3-2 defeat away at Cheltenham.
Helenius played 68 minutes in Aalborg's 1-1 with Hobro.
Johnson played 88 minutes in Chesterfield's 1-1 with Oldham.
Celtic won 5-0 against Ross County - Tonev didn't start wasn't on the bench either.
Bolton won 1-0 against Small Heath :) - Herd didn't start wasn't on the bench either.
Drennan played 62 minutes in Portsmouth's 3-0 defeat away at Bury, he was booked.
Robinson came on in the 70th minute in Preston's 2-0 win against Port Vale.
Bloody hell. Only one of our players involved in a win, and then only for the last twenty minutes. The losing habit travels well.
I was thinking the same, what with our game and these it makes depressing reading.
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Robinson's loan has been extended until January.
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The last two from the weekend Luna didn't play or make the bench. Sylla was on the bench never got on.
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Worth mentioning that Stevens had an assist.
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Anyone know how Donacien is doing at Tranmere?
Tranmere are bottom of the entire league, so I am going to suggest ' not very well' .
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Tonight's updates:
Steer played the whole game in Doncaster's 2-0 defeat against Leyton Orient.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 0-0 against Mansfield.
Gardner played the whole game in Brighton's 1-1 against Huddersfield, he was booked. Bennett never played and wasn't on the bench.
Stevens played the whole game in Northampton's 3-1 defeat against Oxford, he scored Northampton's goal he was booked as well.
Johnson came on in the 61st minute in Chesterfield's 2-1 defeat away at Colchester.
Bolton lost 2-1 away to Charlton - Herd never started wasn't on the bench either.
Portsmouth won 3-2 against Stevenage, Drennan never started wasn't on the bench either.
Robinson played 86 minutes in Preston's 1-0 win away at Gillingham.
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I rarely rant about Villa but the form of these players is concerning to me. I always thought that our long term 'Plan A' was to invest in youth. However the current evidence suggests that this has either not happened or has not been successful. They're not bad, but not discernably better than rivals.
I think we all acknowledge that we cannot afford to pump money into all areas but we need to specialise in at least one in order to have some sort of competitive advantage (youth/scouting/'money ball'/sporadic marque signings). Just cost cutting will only end the slow erosion of the whole club. i'd love to know what the plan is. In fact I think most fans would forgive a multitude of sin, if there was an identifiable strategy to move us forward.
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Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/young-aston-villa-striker-ends-7977816)
Young Aston Villa striker ends disappointing loan spell at Portsmouth
Michael Drennan failed to reproduce goal-scoring form he enjoyed at Pompey last season
Oct 22, 2014 10:41
By Gregg Evans
Michael Drennan will return to Villa after Portsmouth decided against renewing his loan deal.
The 20-year-old failed to score in four appearances at the south coast club and is heading back to the Midlands today.
When Drennan didn’t make the squad for last night’s 3-2 win over Stevenage the writing appeared to be on the wall and today boss Andy Awford confirmed as much.
He said: "It didn’t work with Drenno unfortunately.
"Michael’s loan is up tomorrow and we won’t be extending it, so he will go back today.
"I spoke to him yesterday and unfortunately we are not quite playing the way to suit him, so I am not going to keep him.
"I think Michael is a very good player, I really do, but the way we are playing at the moment is not going to suit him.
"There is no point him staying as a loan player if he is not going to play.”
Drennan scored three times in 10 matches during his loan spell at Pompey last season but he didn’t have the same impact this time around.
He will now return to Villa’s development side.
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I don't follow the other divisions that closely so can't really comment about individual teams or players, but we should be careful not to get someone half decent playing in a shit team going nowhere fast mixed up with a shit player going nowhere fast playing in a half decent team.
I'd be just as concerned about some of these players getting into the same mediocrity is something to aspire to mindset that that the first team appear to display too often, by repeatedly being on the end of too many shoeings.
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Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/young-aston-villa-striker-ends-7977816)
Young Aston Villa striker ends disappointing loan spell at Portsmouth
Michael Drennan failed to reproduce goal-scoring form he enjoyed at Pompey last season
Oct 22, 2014 10:41
By Gregg Evans
Michael Drennan will return to Villa after Portsmouth decided against renewing his loan deal.
The 20-year-old failed to score in four appearances at the south coast club and is heading back to the Midlands today.
When Drennan didn’t make the squad for last night’s 3-2 win over Stevenage the writing appeared to be on the wall and today boss Andy Awford confirmed as much.
He said: "It didn’t work with Drenno unfortunately.
"Michael’s loan is up tomorrow and we won’t be extending it, so he will go back today.
"I spoke to him yesterday and unfortunately we are not quite playing the way to suit him, so I am not going to keep him.
"I think Michael is a very good player, I really do, but the way we are playing at the moment is not going to suit him.
"There is no point him staying as a loan player if he is not going to play.”
Drennan scored three times in 10 matches during his loan spell at Pompey last season but he didn’t have the same impact this time around.
He will now return to Villa’s development side.
That's a hell of a lot of words to say he's shit
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Which is why that's not what it's saying. I haven't seen a minute of portsmouth playing this season but I can only assume that it means they need a striker who they can build the team around rather than a guy to finish the chances they were already creating.
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Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/young-aston-villa-striker-ends-7977816)
Young Aston Villa striker ends disappointing loan spell at Portsmouth
Michael Drennan failed to reproduce goal-scoring form he enjoyed at Pompey last season
Oct 22, 2014 10:41
By Gregg Evans
Michael Drennan will return to Villa after Portsmouth decided against renewing his loan deal.
The 20-year-old failed to score in four appearances at the south coast club and is heading back to the Midlands today.
When Drennan didn’t make the squad for last night’s 3-2 win over Stevenage the writing appeared to be on the wall and today boss Andy Awford confirmed as much.
He said: "It didn’t work with Drenno unfortunately.
"Michael’s loan is up tomorrow and we won’t be extending it, so he will go back today.
"I spoke to him yesterday and unfortunately we are not quite playing the way to suit him, so I am not going to keep him.
"I think Michael is a very good player, I really do, but the way we are playing at the moment is not going to suit him.
"There is no point him staying as a loan player if he is not going to play.”
Drennan scored three times in 10 matches during his loan spell at Pompey last season but he didn’t have the same impact this time around.
He will now return to Villa’s development side.
That's a hell of a lot of words to say he's shit
What makes you say something like that? Have you seen much of him?
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Everything is shit. Didn't you know?
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Off to watch Chesterfield at Walsall soon.
Will be watching out for Daniel Johnson.
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Joe Bennett scores for Brighton
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Jordan Bowery hasn't scored today.
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That's the case most days.
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Updates:
There were a couple from Thursday:
Helenius played 70 minutes in Aalborg's 3-0 against Dynamo Kiev.
Tonev came on in 57th minute in Celtic's 2-1 against Astra, he was booked.
Today's games:
Steer played the whole game in their 0-0 against MK Dons.
Donacien played the whole game in their 2-2 against Wimbledon.
Bennett played the whole game and Gardner played 68 minutes in their 1-1 with Rotherham. Bennett scored Brighton's goal :)
Stevens played the whole game in Northampton's 1-0 defeat away at Luton, he was booked.
Chesterfield lost 1-0 to Walsall Johnson never played wasn't on the bench either.
Bolton won 3-1 against Brentford Herd never played wasn't on the bench either.
Robinson played the whole game in Preston's 3-2 win against Fleetwood.
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Updates:
There were a couple from Thursday:
Helenius played 70 minutes in Aalborg's 3-0 against Dynamo Kiev.
Tonev came on in 57th minute in Celtic's 2-1 against Astra, he was booked.
Today's games:
Steer played the whole game in their 0-0 against MK Dons.
Donacien played the whole game in their 2-2 against Wimbledon.
Bennett played the whole game and Gardner played 68 minutes in their 1-1 with Rotherham. Bennett scored Brighton's goal :)
Stevens played the whole game in Northampton's 1-0 defeat away at Luton, he was booked.
Chesterfield lost 1-0 to Walsall Johnson never played wasn't on the bench either.
Bolton won 3-1 against Brentford Herd never played wasn't on the bench either.
Robinson played the whole game in Preston's 3-2 win against Fleetwood.
True. He didnt make the team or squad but, Daniel Johnson did come on the pitch at half time for a kick about with Gboly Ariyibi though.
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Bit odd that Herd isn't featuring. Injured?
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Bit odd that Herd isn't featuring. Injured?
No. Not very good.
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Callum Robinson at least is getting valuable game time for Preston.
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Bit odd that Herd isn't featuring. Injured?
No. Not very good.
Exactly. It's astonishing he's still at a premier league club at 25 despite having had about two good games in his entire career
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Few more updates:
Sunday:
Verona lost 6-2 away to Napoli, Luna had his usual seat on the bench.
Monday:
Helenius come on in the 65th minute in Aalborg's 1-0 win away at Nordsjaelland.
Sylla come on in the 72nd minute in Erciyesspor 3-2 win against Besiktas.
Today:
Johnson come on in the 53rd minute in Chesterfield's 3-0 defeat against Swindon.
Robinson played 73 minutes in Preston's 2-0 win away at Leyton Orient.
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Few more updates:
Sunday:
Verona lost 6-2 away to Napoli, Luna had his usual seat on the bench.
Monday:
Helenius come on in the 65th minute in Aalborg's 1-0 win away at Nordsjaelland.
Sylla come on in the 72nd minute in Erciyesspor 3-2 win against Besiktas.
Today:
Johnson come on in the 53rd minute in Chesterfield's 3-0 defeat against Swindon.
Robinson played 73 minutes in Preston's 2-0 win away at Leyton Orient.
Worth pointing out that Robinson scored the first goal too.
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Okay then.
Robinson scored the first goal too.
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At least one Villa player is scoring then.
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At least one Villa player is scoring then.
First one for a while, indeed.
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Okay then.
Robinson scored the first goal too.
That was worth pointing out.
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Few more updates:
Sunday:
Verona lost 6-2 away to Napoli, Luna had his usual seat on the bench.
Monday:
Helenius come on in the 65th minute in Aalborg's 1-0 win away at Nordsjaelland.
Sylla come on in the 72nd minute in Erciyesspor 3-2 win against Besiktas.
Today:
Johnson come on in the 53rd minute in Chesterfield's 3-0 defeat against Swindon.
Robinson played 73 minutes in Preston's 2-0 win away at Leyton Orient.
Worth pointing out that Robinson scored the first goal too.
Sorry about that when I checked it last night they'd credited the goal to someone else I would have mentioned it otherwise.
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Nice to see a big club like Leyton Orient taken down a peg or two by a Villa product, well done Callum.
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Jed Steer has joined Yeovil Town FC until January 31, 2015.
The 22-year-old goalkeeper will spend the next three months with the League One outfit, who travel to Chesterfield tomorrow.
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Yeovil are only 2 points above Doncaster so it would be an odd footballing decision. He's been on loan at Yeovil before so maybe he's happier there?
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Jed Steer has joined Yeovil Town FC until January 31, 2015.
The 22-year-old goalkeeper will spend the next three months with the League One outfit, who travel to Chesterfield tomorrow.
Come on you Spireites ! Spireite boys making all the noise !!
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Doncaster got a keeper in from elsewhere so I don't think he was gonna play
Good that robinson scored tho from the highlights he doesn't look first team ready to me (very brief glimpse of him tho)
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Well Preston are in a good run of form and he is in the team. So, he must be doing something right.
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Absolutely
It is two leagues down though. So best to leave him there for a bit
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Bennett and Gardner starting for Brighton in the 5.15pm game if anybody is interested.
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I see Gardner's like taking grass cutter free kicks. With a bit of luck that could have been a goal.
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Our two looking okay at that level.
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Yesterday and today's updates:
Bolton lost 2-1 to Norwich, Herd never played wasn't on the bench.
Steer played the whole game for Yeovil in their 0-0 away at Chesterfield. Johnson came on for Chesterfield in the 62nd minute.
Donacien played the whole game for Tranmere in their 2-2 draw with Stevenage.
Bennett and Gardner played the whole game for Brighton in their 3-2 defeat against Bournemouth. Bennett was booked.
Northampton won 2-0 against Wimbledon, Stevens never played wasn't on the bench.
Preston lost 3-0 to Rochdale, Robinson played 54 minutes.
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Yesterday and today's updates:
Bolton lost 2-1 to Norwich, Herd never played wasn't on the bench.
Steer played the whole game for Yeovil in their 0-0 away at Chesterfield. Johnson came on for Chesterfield in the 62nd minute.
Donacien played the whole game for Tranmere in their 2-2 draw with Stevenage.
Bennett and Gardner played the whole game for Brighton in their 3-2 defeat against Bournemouth. Bennett was booked.
Northampton won 2-0 against Wimbledon, Stevens never played wasn't on the bench.
Preston lost 3-0 to Rochdale, Robinson played 54 minutes.
Seems our curse is spreading. Aren't most of those near or in the relegation zones of their respective leagues?
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Yesterday and today's updates:
Bolton lost 2-1 to Norwich, Herd never played wasn't on the bench.
Steer played the whole game for Yeovil in their 0-0 away at Chesterfield. Johnson came on for Chesterfield in the 62nd minute.
Donacien played the whole game for Tranmere in their 2-2 draw with Stevenage.
Bennett and Gardner played the whole game for Brighton in their 3-2 defeat against Bournemouth. Bennett was booked.
Northampton won 2-0 against Wimbledon, Stevens never played wasn't on the bench.
Preston lost 3-0 to Rochdale, Robinson played 54 minutes.
Seems our curse is spreading. Aren't most of those near or in the relegation zones of their respective leagues?
Pretty much:
Bolton 23rd in the Championship
Yeovil 23rd in League One
Chesterfield 11th in League One
Tranmere 23rd in League Two
Brighton 21st in the Championship
Northampton 15th in League Two
Preston 2nd in League One
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A couple of Preston fan's thoughts on Robinson:
We had Danny Wellbeck mate and he struggled at our place and hes kind of a similar build and player nice touches and that but you thought to yourself about Wellbeck, uumm not sure! But the rest is history. So you never know.
Get better players around your lad giving him more time on the ball and you could have a similier story to Wellbeck. But this is a tough division mate and you dont get that time on the ball but it won't do him any harm and you just have to look at Wellbeck now to see anything is possible.
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I personally thought Robinson was crap yesterday. Been a better player coming off the bench than starting. Never beat the fullback once. In fairness, young lads like that need to be given a challenge and in my opinion, since he got the starting shirt, he's kind of lost the hunger. If you see where I'm coming from.
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I was crying out for Reid to come on in his place. Nothing against Robinson but wasn't effective enough yesterday
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Yeah I think we were all shouting for that one. Like I say it wasent Robinson sort of game yesterday
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Needs to put 2 stone of muscle on !
Never got a sniff out of the full back yesterday
Not sure of his best position wide or central
1 thing I do like about him he always gives 100% and seems to have a good attitude ( unlike a lot of our ex loan players )
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Hes a luxury player that was what I was saying but nobody was really on it yesterday. All the lads looked off the pace. When he took Welsh off he could have took anybody off. Just an all round bad day at the office. Lets see how we react on Tuesday.
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Brighton fans not too impressed by Gardner's efforts at the weekend, 3/10 type ratings - http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?312078-Player-Ratings-Bournemouth-away
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A few more updates from the weekend:
Sylla played 53 minutes in Erciyesspor's 1-1 against Rizespor.
Helenius come on in the 58th minute in Aalborg's 2-0 win against Silkeborg.
Luna sat on the bench for Verona, they drew 1-1 with Cesena.
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This lot seem to be stinking their respective clubs out! We're not going to be stuck with them again next summer, are we?
Luna's move is pointless if he's on the bench, he should go back to Spain where a Segunda team will pick him up.
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Tonight's updates:
Gardner and Bennett played the whole game for Brighton in their 1-0 win against Wigan. Gardner scored the goal :)
Bolton won 3-0 against Cardiff no sign of Herd again.
Preston lost 1-0 to Swindon, Robinson was on the bench never got on.
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Saw Gary's goal, sound was turned down but his Gardner stance is quite noticeable once you've seen either play. Hopefully he got more than three out of ten ratings on the Brighton fan forums. Those ghosting runs from midfield is certainly something he is capable of and should be doing more.
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MoM performance from Gardner apparently.
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We could do worse than recalling Gardner. He seems to have hit form for them and is looking sharp and we're currently light on options whilst waiting for Delph's return. Sanchez is still struggling with the pace of the Premiership at the moment and I'd probably play Gardner over Westwood as things stand. Gary at least offers a long range rifle.
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I'd leave him there for now, isn't it only until January anyway? Might as well let him complete the loan spell and get as much confidence as possible. Aside from that his form seems to still be a bit up and down but his goal should do him a lot of good.
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It's funny, we're always harshest on our own players (regardless of which club you support), Gardner seems to be getting lots of poor reviews from Brighton fans. They're hardly pulling up trees so it might be best to monitor his performances between now and January.
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Some good movement from the Seagulls players in the attack which led to the goal. PL and RK should let young Gary take a training session when he rejoins us and tell him give our players a few tips on the subject.
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MoM performance from Gardner apparently.
Brighton fans don't seem to rate him at all.
http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?312302-Player-ratings-vs-Wigan
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Joe Bennett... Please please please stop trying to take on players in your own half.
Thanks.
Snigger
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Ungrateful bastards.
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And Gordon Bennett and Landscape Gardner (lol) are probably the pick of our loanees at the moment. It doesn't say too much really, particularly in regards to Lamberts signings.
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Enda Stevens back out on loan at Doncaster (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/29943950)
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Gardner has had so long out he needs at least until Xmas playing regularly
One goal which the keeper should have saved doesn't mean he needs to be playing premier league football
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He's scored again.
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With any luck he'll be a factor for us in the second half of the season.
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With any luck he'll be a factor for us in the second half of the season.
He'd struggle to be as ineffective as Westwood and Cleverley to be fair to him, and would at least offer something a little different.
That said I don't think he'll make it at this level now. Too many important years lost to injury which is a damn shame.
He's better off staying there as long as possible too, if he comes back here he's likely to play 2 minutes and then end up injured again.
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With any luck he'll be a factor for us in the second half of the season.
He'd struggle to be as ineffective as Westwood and Cleverley to be fair to him, and would at least offer something a little different.
That said I don't think he'll make it at this level now. Too many important years lost to injury which is a damn shame.
He's better off staying there as long as possible too, if he comes back here he's likely to play 2 minutes and then end up injured again.
Fabian Delph was much the same at a similar age three years ago.
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Yesterday and today's updates:
Bolton beat Wigan 3-1 Herd never played not on the bench.
Steer played the whole game in Yeovil's 1-0 win against Crawley.
Donacien played the whole game in Tranmere's 1-0 win against Bristol Rovers.
Bennett and Gardner played the whole game in Brighton's 1-1 with Blackburn. Gardner scored Brighton's goal :)
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Re: Gardner - it seems that for a Cruciate injury that it takes 2 years to recover from. 1 to recovery physically and another to get back to the sort of level needed for professional football. Delph is the best example for us because we've seen it first hand and it's looking like it will be the same with Okore and Gardner too. Gardner was getting terrible reviews but it sounds like he's had a good couple of games and things might be changing for him. I don't understand why we haven't loaned Okore out but maybe that's just because we don't have the information the club has.
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With any luck he'll be a factor for us in the second half of the season.
He'd struggle to be as ineffective as Westwood and Cleverley to be fair to him, and would at least offer something a little different.
That said I don't think he'll make it at this level now. Too many important years lost to injury which is a damn shame.
He's better off staying there as long as possible too, if he comes back here he's likely to play 2 minutes and then end up injured again.
Fabian Delph was much the same at a similar age three years ago.
Delph at least had the benefit of 50 odd games for Leeds before joining us. He's also incredibly lucky the way things have worked out. Ordinarily you don't get so much patience afforded in the top level.
I hope Gary comes good. So much was expected of him. But not getting much game time around 18-21, really key development time has held him back.
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Just let the lad play every week in the Championship (hopefully, though Brighton fans don't seem that keen on him) for the rest of the season, whether that be south or somewhere else after January. No point having him sit on the bench (as I have no doubt he will if he's back) watching our annual relegation battle.
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Yeah he looks like he's improving from a lacklustre start. That suggests he should stay exactly where he is. He's missed so much football.
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Great header from Gestede for Blackburn's equaliser.
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Re: Gardner - it seems that for a Cruciate injury that it takes 2 years to recover from. 1 to recovery physically and another to get back to the sort of level needed for professional football. Delph is the best example for us because we've seen it first hand and it's looking like it will be the same with Okore and Gardner too. Gardner was getting terrible reviews but it sounds like he's had a good couple of games and things might be changing for him. I don't understand why we haven't loaned Okore out but maybe that's just because we don't have the information the club has.
Gardner's had two in his career so I still think it will be a massive struggle for him to establish himself at the top level.
He's a decent player though as he's showing at Brighton.
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Didn't he sign a new deal recently? If so, let him have a whole season there. I'd bet he's enjoying playing regularly and hopefully improving. Sitting on our bench will serve no purpose especially as be sat there with Sanchez/Bacuna. We need to get the balance right between having cover on the bench and also ensuring that players are fully involved and engaged. I fear the three of them sitting on the bench would result in at least one losing commitment and ultimately not fulfilling their potential.
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Today's updates:
Helenius come on in the 81st minute in Aalborg's 2-0 win against Vestsjaelland.
Chesterfield won 6-0 away at Braintree, Johnson didn't play not on the bench.
Verona drew 2-2 away at Inter Luna was on the bench again never got on.
Sylla played the whole game for Erciyesspor in their 1-1 with Bursaspor.
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Re: Gardner - it seems that for a Cruciate injury that it takes 2 years to recover from. 1 to recovery physically and another to get back to the sort of level needed for professional football. Delph is the best example for us because we've seen it first hand and it's looking like it will be the same with Okore and Gardner too. Gardner was getting terrible reviews but it sounds like he's had a good couple of games and things might be changing for him. I don't understand why we haven't loaned Okore out but maybe that's just because we don't have the information the club has.
Gardner's had two in his career so I still think it will be a massive struggle for him to establish himself at the top level.
He's a decent player though as he's showing at Brighton.
It will be difficult for him but some comments make it sound as though it's something that can't be done. Difficult isn't the same as can't be done, that's all I mean.
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BBC Sport (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29991180?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Oldham Athletic sign Aston Villa midfielder Daniel Johnson
Oldham Athletic have signed Aston Villa midfielder Daniel Johnson on loan until 5 January.
The 22-year-old had recently returned to the Premier League side after a three-month loan spell with the Latics' League One rivals Chesterfield.
The Jamaica-born midfielder, who has yet to make his competitive debut for Villa, played 13 times for the Spireites.
He could make his bow for the Latics in Saturday's home match against Crawley.
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Callum Robinson scores for PNE.
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Callum Robinson scores for PNE.
Twice.
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Callum Robinson scores for PNE.
Twice.
Callum Robinson scores for PNE.
Twice.
Callum Robinson scores for PNE.
Twice.
Well, we best keep him in loan then. We don't want to ruin him with new revolutionary style of attack.
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Hat trick,third goal from a pen after he had a shit handled on the line :-)
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Hat trick,third goal from a pen after he had a shit handled on the line :-)
Dirty bastard!
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BT Sport taking the piss that Robinson has scored almost as many tonight as the entire Villa team have since August.
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Sounds like a statiatic to me which is in fact true!
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Hat trick,third goal from a pen after he had a shit handled on the line :-)
Dirty bastard!
Well, it was his tird.
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Robinson's goals here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29999004
Nice finish for the second
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That will do Robinson the world of good. He seems to be hitting stride for them now so hopefully he score a few more in the league for them.
If he can get a good run of form he'll be readier should he come back here. And to be honest he couldn't do much less than Gabby or Bent.
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Great run for the first, great finish for the 2nd 3rd he was pretty unlucky with the header, really smart to place the shot that was handled where he did (not sure if it was intentional but that's the height where you can't get a foot or head to it easily, which is why the guy used his hand). Penalty wasn't great a better keeper would've saved that (and not left such a big gap at the near post for the first) but all in he's done very well there. I have high hopes for Robinson, I think he'll be a good option for Gabby in the front 3 in the long term.
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So he will probably leave on a free at the end of his contract then.
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Great run for the first, great finish for the 2nd 3rd he was pretty unlucky with the header, really smart to place the shot that was handled where he did (not sure if it was intentional but that's the height where you can't get a foot or head to it easily, which is why the guy used his hand). Penalty wasn't great a better keeper would've saved that (and not left such a big gap at the near post for the first) but all in he's done very well there. I have high hopes for Robinson, I think he'll be a good option for Gabby in the front 3 in the long term.
With the penalty, bare in mind the power of the shot and that it's just above goalkeeper height. It wouldn't have been easy for a top keeper to stop that (for one thing he has to be going in the right direction).
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Great run for the first, great finish for the 2nd 3rd he was pretty unlucky with the header, really smart to place the shot that was handled where he did (not sure if it was intentional but that's the height where you can't get a foot or head to it easily, which is why the guy used his hand). Penalty wasn't great a better keeper would've saved that (and not left such a big gap at the near post for the first) but all in he's done very well there. I have high hopes for Robinson, I think he'll be a good option for Gabby in the front 3 in the long term.
With the penalty, bare in mind the power of the shot and that it's just above goalkeeper height. It wouldn't have been easy for a top keeper to stop that (for one thing he has to be going in the right direction).
I don't disagree but I'dstill be disappointed with Guzan if he'd let one like that in, hence my thinking that you'd expect a top keeper to do a better job of it.
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Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-career-over-irish-8111540)
Aston Villa career is over for Irish defender Enda Stevens
24-year-old on loan at League One Doncaster Rovers as his Villa Park contract runs down
Nov 14, 2014 15:45 By Gregg Evans
Enda Stevens has conceded that his Aston Villa career is over after failing to make an impact in the West Midlands.
The 24-year-old left-back was signed by Alex McLeish in 2011 but it was current boss Paul Lambert who gave him his debut a year later.
Initially there was hope that the Irishman could carve out a successful career for himself in the Premier League but he has since struggled to build on his first-team breakthrough.
Stevens is currently on loan at League One side Doncaster Rovers and admits he is now playing for his future as his claret and blue contract expires in six months time.
When asked if he was looking for a new club because his Villa days were effectively over, he replied:
“Yes. It’s just football, it happens. You’ve just got to get on with it, do well and work hard.”
Stevens, who is in his second loan spell at Doncaster following a previous temporary switch last term added:
“It was good [being at Villa].
“I’ve enjoyed myself, it’s a massive club.
“Paul Lambert gave me my debut so I was grateful for that, it’s just time for me to move on.
“It was easy to come back to Doncaster. I really enjoyed myself here last season. It was a no-brainer.
“The loan is for me, it’ll improve me and my football.”
The former Shamrock Rovers man has made seven first-team appearances for Villa but has been shipped out on loan four times in the last 15 months.
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Johnson has just scored for Oldham.
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Can't believe they didn't use the 'Enda The Road' headline.
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Yesterday's updates:
Steer played the whole game for Yeovil as they lost 1-0 to Fleetwood.
Donacien played 67 minutes as Tranmere lost 1-0 away to Luton.
Stevens played the whole game as Doncaster lost 1-0 to Sheffield United, he was booked.
Johnson played 80 minutes as Oldham drew 1-1 with Crawley. Johnson scored Oldham's goal :)
Robinson played the whole game as Preston lost 2-1 to Bradford.
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Yesterday's updates:
Steer played the whole game for Yeovil as they lost 1-0 to Fleetwood.
Donacien played 67 minutes as Tranmere lost 1-0 away to Luton.
Stevens played the whole game as Doncaster lost 1-0 to Sheffield United, he was booked.
Johnson played 80 minutes as Oldham drew 1-1 with Crawley. Johnson scored Oldham's goal :)
Robinson played the whole game as Preston lost 2-1 to Bradford.
Looks like good preparation for their return....it shouldn't be too much of a shock for them then
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Yesterday's updates:
Steer played the whole game for Yeovil as they lost 1-0 to Fleetwood.
Donacien played 67 minutes as Tranmere lost 1-0 away to Luton.
Stevens played the whole game as Doncaster lost 1-0 to Sheffield United, he was booked.
Johnson played 80 minutes as Oldham drew 1-1 with Crawley. Johnson scored Oldham's goal :)
Robinson played the whole game as Preston lost 2-1 to Bradford.
Looks like good preparation for their return....it shouldn't be too much of a shock for them then
Yep they'll fit right in.
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I think Robinson set up the Preston goal
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I think Robinson set up the Preston goal
Indeed!
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Helenius scored in a 4-2 win against Odder from league 2 (equivalent of league 1 in England) in the Danish Cup on Tuesday.
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Herd back from his Bolton loan? Sounds like he hardly played.
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Robinson has scored again.
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Callum Robinson scores...again... for Preston,
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Callum Robinson scores...again... for Preston,
5 in 5.
Daniel Johnson set one up for Oldham.
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Callum Robinson scores...again... for Preston,
Is he back in Jan or there the whole season? We may well need him with all our injuries and Darren Bent seemingly done for.
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Can't we just recall Calum Robinson ?
Loaning him out ? Another lambert masterstoke
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Can't we just recall Calum Robinson ?
Loaning him out ? Another lambert masterstoke
Look, I'm as annoyed with Lambert as the next person but is it really right to criticise him for loaning out a kid to gain experience, and play every week?
And are you saying that the answer to our lack of goals is a 19 year old whose achievements to date amount to 'scored a couple of goals in league 1' and 'scored a hattrick against a team of semi-professionals from the conference south'?
I think its better for him (and by extension us) if he stays put.
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He was on the verge of breaking into our team . 19 is a prime age nowadays for anyone with real talents . Loaning him seems bizarre when the back up is Darren bent
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Looks like the definition of moaning for the sake of it has been written.
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One thing I would credit Lambert on as opposed to his predecessors is that he has got a lot more of the youngsters out on meaningful loans rather than u21 football, Robinson is a great example of this, hopefully he comes back ready to challenge for a shirt
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He was on the verge of breaking into our team . 19 is a prime age nowadays for anyone with real talents . Loaning him seems bizarre when the back up is Darren bent
Yes bring him straight into a struggling team in dire straits and destroy him permanently rather than loan him out to a good club at lower level and let him build confidence.
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"Moaning for the sake of it" ?? Really .
5 in 14 ? We are desperate right now for a goalscorer
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"Moaning for the sake of it" ?? Really .
5 in 14 ? We are desperate right now for a goalscorer
He's a young kid. He's never played at anywhere near this level. And you're slagging the manager for letting him go on loan.
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Heard Robinson being interviewed after his hat trick in the FA Cup and was impressed wih his attitude and admitted he would have had a bollocking when he scored at near post for the first. Really admired Kevin Davies (who was chatting with him) allowing him to take the penalty for his hat trick ahead of him when he is apparently chasing 150 goals. Robinson seems to be gaining massively in confidence and will grow as a young man. Just hope when he comes back he will get a proper chance unlike Grealish
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I'm pretty sure that Robinson playing regularly for Preston is much better for him, and us, long term than the odd 5 mins from the bench for us. Complaining that a 19 year old out on loan is doing well so it was a mistake to send him out in the first place seems a tad OTT to me.
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Nice assist from Johnson.
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How did GG do for Brighton today?
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How did GG do for Brighton today?
Played full game in 3-3 with Norwich .
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Can't we just recall Calum Robinson ?
Loaning him out ? Another lambert masterstoke
With respect, what utter rubbish. Young players need to go out on loan. Just because he's scoring goals, it dose'nt mean Lambert buggered up sending him out.
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Updates from yesterday:
Steer played the whole game as Yeovil won 2-1 away at Notts County.
Donacien played the whole game as Tranmere lost 2-1 to Southend.
Stevens played the whole game as Doncaster won 3-1 away at Rochdale.
Bennett and Gardner played the whole game as Brighton drew 3-3 away at Norwich.
Johnson played 80 minutes as Oldham drew 1-1 with Sheffield United. Johnson set up the goal.
Robinson played the whole game as Preston won 1-0 away at Bristol City. Robinson scored the goal.
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He looked good when he came on against Citeeeh last season, him and Grealish played much better than the players they replaced.
Having said that, because we are so shit atm, playing them regularly could destroy them.He looks as if he has a good attitude, let him stop there, he needs to develop, i always had high hopes for Delf, but something went wrong there.
Keep him at Preston, it just shows how poor we are atm, that we are pinning our hopes on a young lad on loan at Preston.
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Sending a player on loan to a team two divisions down, who takes a little time to get going before starting to do really well, is surely a sign that sending him on loan was the right thing to do. Not the wrong thing
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This is one thing Lambert has got right. There's zero point these kids mooking around playing youth football games ad infinitum.
Grealish will have learned loads, both in terms of football and mental and physical fortitude from going to Notts County on loan. Were there many of us exalting him before he went out on loan? I don't think so.
Robinson, likewise, is going to get absolutely nothing from the odd 3 minutes here and there off the bench with us, he is going to get way, way more from going out on loan.
I can think of plenty - really, lots - of reasons Lambert deserves criticism, but this isn't one of them.
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It'll be very interesting to see what happens with Robinson when he returns in January. With Kozak some way off, Benteke not looking sharp yet, Bent seemingly done in and Gabby looking like he doesn't care, I would think we could probably do with the extra option. It's almost got to the point this season we've almost (almost) missed Bowery as an option. He certainly offered slightly more last season than Bent has been able to this.
If we were to loan him out again, perhaps a Championship club might be beneficial. See if he can step up another level.
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While it's nice that Robinson is doing okay I hope we don't too carried away. 3 of his goals were against Havant & Waterlooville who are level 6. Unless he really hits some major form or we really are screwed for attacking options i'd go along with trying to loan him to a Championship club in Jan and see how he does.
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Looking at it objectively, Robinson is gaining good experience out with Preston . It's just the lack of options we currently have due to illness , suspension , age etc .
Is Burke a striker ? Maybe he's another bench option as well as Bent.
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If Benteke looked half fit and Bent looked like he still had a pulse I'd say for definite, keep Robinson out on loan for the whole season. Given our injuries, if we get one or two more up front we may have to call on Burke and Drennen perhaps, as opposed to Robinson who will be away (and is the better of the prospects).
I'm all for putting the lads out on loan for game time, but the luck we're having right now I think we probably need a 30 man squad to cope.
I've a nightmarish vision akin to the days of Scimeca playing as an emergency CF, of Baker being pushed up top to be an emergency forward. But then again, Bakers always injured too.
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Hopefully we'd be smart enough to have a clause in to call him back. Yes yes, I know!
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Hopefully we'd be smart enough to have a clause in to call him back. Yes yes, I know!
You'd hope so.
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It's 100% the right thing to have done. If there's a major criticism of the club like so many others in England over the past 5-10 years is the lack of proper game time players graduating from youth to seniors get between the ages of 18-21. This could be the making of him.
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I'd completely forgotten about Kozak, is he near to coming back yet?
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I'd completely forgotten about Kozak, is he near to coming back yet?
He was until the latest set back.
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Good bit of nous from the lad there. Like vintage Bent.
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It's looking very much like Callum Robinson is being recalled from PNE. If this is true, I have to say the PNE bit of me is more gutted than the Villa bit of me is pleased. I don't expect we'll even play him.
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Callum Robinson recalled
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Just confirmed on the PNE boards that Robinson is on his way back to us.
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Lambert needs to play him instead of Zog/Weimann, alongside Gabby.
Welcome home Callum!
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Grealish only seems to get as far as the bench and up to now he has seemed a little more developed than Robinson. Says a lot about us that we're not able to allow a young lad to develop at his own pace. You just know he'll be an unused sub the majority of the time.
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Weird indeed that he came on v Southampton.
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Jordan Graham has gone to Wolves until January.
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With a view to a permanent move, which is a shame as he was being talked about in the same breath as Grealish at one point.
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El Ahmadi scored against Sevilla in the Europa League tonight.
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One for an 'ex-players' thread there. He moved back to Feyernoord permanently.
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Just seen el ahmadis goal, it was a screamer. Colin kazim richards (if you remember him) chested it down and he dipped a half volley over the keeper from 20 odd yards. I kid you not.
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Updates from today:
Yeovil lost 2-0 to Preston, Steer didn't play not on the bench either.
Donacien played the whole game as Tranmere beat Portsmouth 3-1.
Stevens played the whole game as Doncaster drew 1-1 away at Crewe.
Verona lost 2-1 to Sassuolo, Luna sat on the bench again and never got on.
Brighton lost 2-1 to Fulham, Bennett played 78 minutes, Gardner played the whole game, Bent played the whole game and scored Brighton's goal.
Erciyesspor beat Balikesirspor 4-0, Sylla played the whole game.
Oldham beat Rochdale 3-0, Johnson played the whole game and scored two goals :)
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Well done Johnson. Donacien must be doing okay, seems to be a fixture in the side.
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I really liked the look of Donacien a couple of pre-seasons ago when he played a few games.
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He was moved from central defence to right wing-back when their new manager came in. He looks quick enough to play there at least.
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Manchester Evening News (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dans-man-latics-look-keep-8210748)
Dan's the man as Latics look to keep their loan ranger
Aston Villa youngster has impressed Oldham boss Lee Johnson
Dec 02, 2014 10:58 By Sheldan Keay
OLDHAM manager Lee Johnson admits that he will be doing all he can to keep Daniel Johnson at the club when his loan expires next month.
The midfielder is on loan from Aston Villa and is yet to put a foot wrong during his time at the club.
His deal is set to expire on January 5 and Latics boss Johnson has been delighted with his performances so far.
“He’s a talented player and he’s been really effective since coming to us,” he said.
“You never know what’s going to happen but we would certainly like to keep him at the club.
“We will speak to him and to Aston Villa but at the moment we should just enjoy him while he’s here.”
Johnson was a key figure in the 3-0 victory over local rivals Rochdale on Saturday, scoring two of his side’s goals.
The win has seen Latics move into the play-off places and Johnson, 22, was glad to contribute to the win.
“It was a big derby game against our rivals and I’m happy that I got the goals that I did,” he said.
“It was the first time that I played at Spotland and the atmosphere with the fans was brilliant.
“The supporters were different class and it really helped to drive us through the game.
“It was a good team performance and I’m just delighted to get the win, that’s the most important thing.”
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Manchester Evening News (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dans-man-latics-look-keep-8210748)
Dan's the man as Latics look to keep their loan ranger
Aston Villa youngster has impressed Oldham boss Lee Johnson
Dec 02, 2014 10:58 By Sheldan Keay
OLDHAM manager Lee Johnson admits that he will be doing all he can to keep Daniel Johnson at the club when his loan expires next month.
The midfielder is on loan from Aston Villa and is yet to put a foot wrong during his time at the club.
His deal is set to expire on January 5 and Latics boss Johnson has been delighted with his performances so far.
“He’s a talented player and he’s been really effective since coming to us,” he said.
“You never know what’s going to happen but we would certainly like to keep him at the club.
“We will speak to him and to Aston Villa but at the moment we should just enjoy him while he’s here.”
Johnson was a key figure in the 3-0 victory over local rivals Rochdale on Saturday, scoring two of his side’s goals.
The win has seen Latics move into the play-off places and Johnson, 22, was glad to contribute to the win.
“It was a big derby game against our rivals and I’m happy that I got the goals that I did,” he said.
“It was the first time that I played at Spotland and the atmosphere with the fans was brilliant.
“The supporters were different class and it really helped to drive us through the game.
“It was a good team performance and I’m just delighted to get the win, that’s the most important thing.”
So, what is it about Johnson? He's been on the cusp for a while and has always looked like a reasonable prospect when tested ....
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Manchester Evening News (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dans-man-latics-look-keep-8210748)
Dan's the man as Latics look to keep their loan ranger
Aston Villa youngster has impressed Oldham boss Lee Johnson
Dec 02, 2014 10:58 By Sheldan Keay
OLDHAM manager Lee Johnson admits that he will be doing all he can to keep Daniel Johnson at the club when his loan expires next month.
The midfielder is on loan from Aston Villa and is yet to put a foot wrong during his time at the club.
His deal is set to expire on January 5 and Latics boss Johnson has been delighted with his performances so far.
“He’s a talented player and he’s been really effective since coming to us,” he said.
“You never know what’s going to happen but we would certainly like to keep him at the club.
“We will speak to him and to Aston Villa but at the moment we should just enjoy him while he’s here.”
Johnson was a key figure in the 3-0 victory over local rivals Rochdale on Saturday, scoring two of his side’s goals.
The win has seen Latics move into the play-off places and Johnson, 22, was glad to contribute to the win.
“It was a big derby game against our rivals and I’m happy that I got the goals that I did,” he said.
“It was the first time that I played at Spotland and the atmosphere with the fans was brilliant.
“The supporters were different class and it really helped to drive us through the game.
“It was a good team performance and I’m just delighted to get the win, that’s the most important thing.”
So, what is it about Johnson? He's been on the cusp for a while and has always looked like a reasonable prospect when tested ....
I had high hopes for him. He's mobile, good on the ball, eye for a pass and in the U-21's he's got goals in him, and I believe he's captained the side.
He's just not really broken through. I thought the 13-14 pre-season he impressed in a few games. This pre-season he didn't get so many games and didn't really standout in the ones he did unfortunately.
He looks like one of those who will drift away from the side and end up at a L1 or if he's lucky, Championship club.
I'd like to see him get a chance though. We're short of options in midfield and Westwood and Cleverley have hardly set the world alight.
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He was moved from central defence to right wing-back when their new manager came in. He looks quick enough to play there at least.
He was our best player in the friendly at Luton pre-season before last - in defence and going forward!
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I really rate Daniel Johnson and feel that the loan move could work really well for him/us. He's very creative though a bit lightweight - inevitably; his experience at Oldham should help toughen him up - but it would be great to see him back with us hungry for a place in the first team and being given a chance by PL.
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I really rate Daniel Johnson and feel that the loan move could work really well for him/us. He's very creative though a bit lightweight - inevitably; his experience at Oldham should help toughen him up - but it would be great to see him back with us hungry for a place in the first team and being given a chance by PL.
Westwood and TC are pretty lightweight, so you'd hope with Sanchez offering the physical presence we could get Johnson in somewhere. Maybe he needs to work harder in training, but certainly his loan will have helped. I hope he gets a chance.
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Has Tonev been playing whilst his ban was under appeal. I see that its going to be another two weeks before there's a verdict.
Seems to be dragging on
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Has Tonev been playing whilst his ban was under appeal. I see that its going to be another two weeks before there's a verdict.
Seems to be dragging on
Yes, I read a snippet that he missed a sitter having been "put clean through" in their last game.
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Today's updates:
Yeovil drew 1-1 with Accrington, Steer never played not on the bench.
Brighton lost 3-0 away at Derby. Bent, Bennett and Gardner played the whole game, Gardner was booked.
Donacien played the whole game as Tranmere drew 2-2 away at Oxford United.
Oldham lost 1-0 against Doncaster. Johnson played 89 minutes for Oldham, Enda Stevens played the whole game for Doncaster.
Tonev came on on the 64th minute as Celtic won 1-0 away at Motherwell.
Helenius came on in the 73rd minute as Aalborg drew 1-1 with Odense.
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From his two loan spells Daniel Johnson is a class above league one it's fair to say.
He's always seemed highly rated without breaking through for some reason.
I suppose he was a bit young during the Houllier season when we gave endless youth products debuts but I maybe thought he would've got a shot in one of the first two seasons under Lambert.
I think his chance has passed here but he'll have a good career in the lower leagues.
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Bent had a goal disallowed for offside
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Wonder why Steer didn't play. Injury or recall?
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Wonder why Steer didn't play. Injury or recall?
funny, 'cos he was mentioned yesterday on R5L as being in the goal and saving a one-on-one.
And on the team sheet as having played, on Sky.
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Wonder why Steer didn't play. Injury or recall?
funny, 'cos he was mentioned yesterday on R5L as being in the goal and saving a one-on-one.
And on the team sheet as having played, on Sky.
BBC think he played the whole match as well. I think we can assume that he did.
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From his two loan spells Daniel Johnson is a class above league one it's fair to say.
He's always seemed highly rated without breaking through for some reason.
I suppose he was a bit young during the Houllier season when we gave endless youth products debuts but I maybe thought he would've got a shot in one of the first two seasons under Lambert.
I think his chance has passed here but he'll have a good career in the lower leagues.
Yep, I think that he could be the next Jonathan Hogg
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The talk before the start of last season was that whilst Johnson was the pick of that crop technically, he was viewed as too laid back and if he didn't change, then they weren't certain he was going to make it here.
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If Westwood is out for any length of time, could Johnson be recalled or will Villa muddle thro with the current midfield options ?
As well as sitting on the bench, is Robinson also getting games for the U21s ?
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If Westwood is out for any length of time, could Johnson be recalled or will Villa muddle thro with the current midfield options ?
As well as sitting on the bench, is Robinson also getting games for the U21s ?
I would imagine Gardner will get a recall before DJ does. Assuming he has a recall clause.
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I thought that GG was on a season loan but I see that he's due back on Jan 5 the same as DJ
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I imagine one of them will come back a little early, unless Delphy's almost ready.
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Yeah - if Westwoods out for 4-5 weeks, I'd imagine we'd definitely be looking to get GG back ASAP. With Westwood, Delph and potentially Cole and Cleverley all out it's an area we're now short in. In fact, I wouldn;t be surprised if we line-up with a midfield 3 of Sanchez, Richardson and Bacuna on Saturday...
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In fact, I wouldn;t be surprised if we line-up with a midfield 3 of Sanchez, Richardson and Bacuna on Saturday...
"Shudders!"
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Herd was on the bench, so he may get a game at some stage.
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Herd was on the bench, so he may get a game at some stage.
Barrel? Check! Scraping device? Check!
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Herd was on the bench, so he may get a game at some stage.
Barrel? Check! Scraping device? Check!
Or we could always get Sylla back off loan :-D
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Funny you should mention Sylla. On that JPA retirement story there is a link to this...
While Aston Villa loanee Yacouba Sylla remains determined to return to England next season, the 24-year-old midfielder admits that his future at the club is up in the air.
Sylla first joined Villa from French second division side Clermont Foot in January 2013 for around £2 million, showing enough during his first few months in the Midlands for some to hail him as the team’s long-term answer in the holding role.
The Mali international’s first full campaign at Villa Park did not go at all to plan, however, as he made just 11 league appearances in a side battling against relegation for most of 2013-14, failing to get off the bench for the final two months of the season.
Subsequently shipped out to Turkish Super Lig club Kayseri Erciyesspor on a season-long loan this past summer, Sylla has impressed during his time on the other side of Europe but, with manager Paul Lambert since moving to sign Carlos Sanchez to fill his former role, isn’t sure what plans the Claret and Blues have for him moving forward.
“I'm focused on the season in Turkey,” he said in an interview with France Football. “Aston Villa is the club to which I belong, the club where I progressed.
“I always look out for their results. I left to come back stronger, but the truth of tomorrow is we do not know. There are a lot of unemployed people so I'm not going to fuss, though. I remain privileged.
"I could not fall lower than last season,” he continued. “Here, I have the chance to establish myself, even if I always have something to prove.
“This is what I expected. I did not want to travel to all four corners of England on the bench. Last season, I may have made mistakes, but I know I gave everything. That dark season with Aston Vila does not leave bad memories because we learn through the difficulty.”
With a contract until 2016, it remains to be seen what will happen to Sylla when he comes back to Villa next season but, given the current injury crisis in midfield, one wonders whether he might have been set to get a run in the line-up had he been kept around.
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He was probably the one who suffered most from our football steadily descending into utter shite last season. Probably won't make it here, but his play during the 2013 run-in suggests that there's a decent player in there somewhere.
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I dont remember Sylla being particularlly shit - especially relative to the level of others at that point. Maybe my memory is failing me
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I dont remember Sylla being particularlly shit - especially relative to the level of others at that point. Maybe my memory is failing me
I dunno. I remember him being pretty atrocious in games last season. He looked a completely different player to the one who seemed to be getting better and better in the run-in the previous season. I remember against Chelsea in the penultimate game in Lambo's first season, Sylla was superb.
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Sylla was awful last year
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I dont remember Sylla being particularlly shit - especially relative to the level of others at that point. Maybe my memory is failing me
I dunno. I remember him being pretty atrocious in games last season. He looked a completely different player to the one who seemed to be getting better and better in the run-in the previous season. I remember against Chelsea in the penultimate game in Lambo's first season, Sylla was superb.
He's a very limited player, but reading the above, it at least sounds like his attitude is spot on.
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Watching Brighton and for the first 20 minutes, the only thing I could see the loan helping Gardner with was his ability to look up at the sky. The football improved a bit as the half went on, but, in all honesty, he isn't really standing out at all in a game full of pretty average players.
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Watching Brighton and for the first 20 minutes, the only thing I could see the loan helping Gardner with was his ability to look up at the sky. The football improved a bit as the half went on, but, in all honesty, he isn't really standing out at all in a game full of pretty average players.
And that is exactly how I saw it. Gardner had one reasonable free kick and Bent took up the right positions but the ball never got through to him. Sami Hypia looked a deeply worried man even before they started!.
Terrible game.
Gardner booked for a bad foul.
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He was probably the one who suffered most from our football steadily descending into utter shite last season. Probably won't make it here, but his play during the 2013 run-in suggests that there's a decent player in there somewhere.
He was excellent in that run-in because he played - regularly...pretty obvious!
But, he got better with games...the following season he underperformed because he only played bits and pieces.
He needs to play games to play at his best, like most players, I suppose....IMHO.
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All I can say about Sylla is I struggle now to recall him playing for us.
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Sylla was very good when he was playing as the furthest forward of the 3 but as a defensive midfielder (as odd as that sounds). He hasn't got great positioning but he's got loads of energy and has enough ability to win the ball and move the ball on. When he came in during his second season he was being asked to sit and defend space, and his concentration and reading of the game isn't good enough for that.
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When we do come to change the manager (whenever that is), everyone will get a fresh chance so it's not inconceivable that the likes of Sylla could still have a future with us. Then again, Lambert could outlast him.
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Watching Brighton and for the first 20 minutes, the only thing I could see the loan helping Gardner with was his ability to look up at the sky. The football improved a bit as the half went on, but, in all honesty, he isn't really standing out at all in a game full of pretty average players.
And that is exactly how I saw it. Gardner had one reasonable free kick and Bent took up the right positions but the ball never got through to him. Sami Hypia looked a deeply worried man even before they started!.
Terrible game.
Gardner booked for a bad foul.
A wit on the main Brighton supporters' message board calls him Landscape Gardener, "best seen from 180 miles away".
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Sylla was very good when he was playing as the furthest forward of the 3 but as a defensive midfielder (as odd as that sounds). He hasn't got great positioning but he's got loads of energy and has enough ability to win the ball and move the ball on. When he came in during his second season he was being asked to sit and defend space, and his concentration and reading of the game isn't good enough for that.
And that's just another illustration of the about turn between the end of his first season and the last 18 months. Sylla thrived playing the pressing game high up the pitch, but looked completely lost (along with just about everyone else) when we became way more passive and only started pressing 10 yards into our half instead of 20 yards into the opposition's.
We might well be more compact and a bit more defensively robust, but it's come at a hell of a cost.
Hopefully the positive signs against Leicester wI'll be continued.
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Sylla was very good when he was playing as the furthest forward of the 3 but as a defensive midfielder (as odd as that sounds). He hasn't got great positioning but he's got loads of energy and has enough ability to win the ball and move the ball on. When he came in during his second season he was being asked to sit and defend space, and his concentration and reading of the game isn't good enough for that.
And that's just another illustration of the about turn between the end of his first season and the last 18 months. Sylla thrived playing the pressing game high up the pitch, but looked completely lost (along with just about everyone else) when we became way more passive and only started pressing 10 yards into our half instead of 20 yards into the opposition's.
We might well be more compact and a bit more defensively robust, but it's come at a hell of a cost.
Hopefully the positive signs against Leicester wI'll be continued.
Good point.
Okore gives us the option of playing a higher defensive line. I think his delayed return was due to PL having understandably lost his nerve, and thinking the risk to the new solidity was too great.
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Aston Villa: How the loan players are performing at struggling Brighton (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-how-loan-players-8303612)
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Nearly all of my Brighton supporting mates think Gardner is pretty shit / ineffectual and would like him dropped. I have been down the Amex a couple of times and he didn't really stand out in any way in either game.
Some tidy touches but that is about it.
Having said that things aren't going well for Brighton just now, if the team were playing like they were for last few seasons I am sure he would be performing at a higher level.
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My brighton supporting mate - and I take the point they are on a downer at the mo - said:
Bennett - should be a good championship full back but needs to learn to defend
Gardner - you just don't notice him playing and he's incredibly slow
Bent - good positioning but doesn't contribute anything to the team
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Bent - good positioning but doesn't contribute anything to the team
That faint noise you can hear is monty clapping somewhere.
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It's been a hectic week for our loanees.
In League Two, it's been a mixed few days for JANOI DONACIEN'S Tranmere Rovers.
The Merseysiders lost 2-0 at Burton Albion on Friday where Rovers defender Liam Ridehalgh saw red for a foul on Kelvin Maynard and Damien McCrory scored the resulting penalty.
Shane Cansdell-Sheriff's header doubled Burton's lead from Matty Palmer's corner.
However, Micky Adams' men made it a super Sunday as they moved out of the relegation zone with a 2-1 win over Northampton at Prenton Park yesterday.
The hosts took the lead when Kayode Odejayi converted low at the front post for his first league goal for the club.
Veteran Marc Richards levelled before the break after good work by Joel Byrom.
But Tranmere regained the lead when Kirby curled home after a one-two with Max Power, inflicting a fifth straight league loss on the visitors.
In League One, ENDA STEVENS and Doncaster Rovers enjoyed a fruitful Christmas period after picking up four points out of a possible six.
On Boxing Day, the Yorkshire side beat 10-man Coventry 2-0 after early goals from Andy Butler and Harry Forrester.
They then travelled to Peterborough on Sunday, earning a point in a goalless draw despite creating numerous chances.
The ever-present Forrester struck the woodwork while goalkeeper Ben lnwick saved well from left-back STEVENS.
Rovers now sit 14th, three points off the play-off places in a congested League One.
Three goals in the final 20 minutes saw DANIEL JOHNSON's Oldham beaten on Boxing Day by Crewe Alexandra.
Leeds loan man Nicky Ajose fired the Alex ahead from the penalty spot after Harry Davis was fouled by George Elokobi with 20 minutes remaining.
Elokobi then made amends five minutes later as he equalised from a corner.
But Ajose had the final say and secured the points with a brilliant 30-yard chip four minutes from time.
The on loan Villa man played the final 16 minutes of the contest and the Latics will look to get back to winning ways in their trip to Barnsley on Monday evening.
Goalkeeper JED STEER'S Yeovil Town dropped to the bottom of League One after defeat to Bristol City on Boxing Day.
Matt Smith scored his first goal for league leaders City in the 31st minute while Jay Emmanuel-Thomas doubled the reds' lead from the penalty spot.
Ben Nugent's 35-yard shot two minutes from time gave Yeovil late hope but the Ashton Gate outfit held out to take the West Country bragging rights.
The Glovers now host fellow strugglers Leyton Orient on Monday evening.
In the Championship, DARREN BENT, JOE BENNETT AND GARY GARDNER all featured as Brighton came from behind to draw 2-2 at home to Reading on Boxing Day.
It was the tale of the two managers as Brighton contested their first match since Sami Hyypia's departure while Steve Clarke earned his first point as Reading boss.
Two first half goals from Glenn Murray put the Royals in cruise control but the Seagulls pulled one back through Jake Forster-Caskey's effort just before the break.
And, in the 90th minute, Inigo Calderon converted Adrian Colunga's 90th-minute delivery to earn a point.
Brighton take on Fulham at Craven Cottage on Monday and are likely to be without Bent who picked up a groin injury on Friday.
Elsewhere, YACOUBA SYLLA played 90 minutes as Kayseri Erciyesspor lost 3-1 at İstanbul Başakşehir in the Super Lig on Saturday.
Alexandru Epureanu put the hosts ahead after 17 minutes but Edinho equalised.
Two goals in 10 minutes from Doka Madureira and Jérémy Perbet sealed victory to extend Sylla's side's winless run to four matches.
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It's been a hectic week for our loanees ...
.. goals in 10 minutes from Doka Madureira and Jérémy Perbet sealed victory to extend Sylla's side's winless run to four matches.
Pretty depressing stuff, really. Second-rate players playing in lower clubs all of whom seem to be fighting for their lives.
Like the first team, we need to up the game for these types of players.
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It's been a hectic week for our loanees.
In League Two, it's been a mixed few days for JANOI DONACIEN'S Tranmere Rovers.
The Merseysiders lost 2-0 at Burton Albion on Friday where Rovers defender Liam Ridehalgh saw red for a foul on Kelvin Maynard and Damien McCrory scored the resulting penalty.
Shane Cansdell-Sheriff's header doubled Burton's lead from Matty Palmer's corner.
However, Micky Adams' men made it a super Sunday as they moved out of the relegation zone with a 2-1 win over Northampton at Prenton Park yesterday.
The hosts took the lead when Kayode Odejayi converted low at the front post for his first league goal for the club.
Veteran Marc Richards levelled before the break after good work by Joel Byrom.
But Tranmere regained the lead when Kirby curled home after a one-two with Max Power, inflicting a fifth straight league loss on the visitors.
In League One, ENDA STEVENS and Doncaster Rovers enjoyed a fruitful Christmas period after picking up four points out of a possible six.
On Boxing Day, the Yorkshire side beat 10-man Coventry 2-0 after early goals from Andy Butler and Harry Forrester.
They then travelled to Peterborough on Sunday, earning a point in a goalless draw despite creating numerous chances.
The ever-present Forrester struck the woodwork while goalkeeper Ben lnwick saved well from left-back STEVENS.
Rovers now sit 14th, three points off the play-off places in a congested League One.
Three goals in the final 20 minutes saw DANIEL JOHNSON's Oldham beaten on Boxing Day by Crewe Alexandra.
Leeds loan man Nicky Ajose fired the Alex ahead from the penalty spot after Harry Davis was fouled by George Elokobi with 20 minutes remaining.
Elokobi then made amends five minutes later as he equalised from a corner.
But Ajose had the final say and secured the points with a brilliant 30-yard chip four minutes from time.
The on loan Villa man played the final 16 minutes of the contest and the Latics will look to get back to winning ways in their trip to Barnsley on Monday evening.
Goalkeeper JED STEER'S Yeovil Town dropped to the bottom of League One after defeat to Bristol City on Boxing Day.
Matt Smith scored his first goal for league leaders City in the 31st minute while Jay Emmanuel-Thomas doubled the reds' lead from the penalty spot.
Ben Nugent's 35-yard shot two minutes from time gave Yeovil late hope but the Ashton Gate outfit held out to take the West Country bragging rights.
The Glovers now host fellow strugglers Leyton Orient on Monday evening.
In the Championship, DARREN BENT, JOE BENNETT AND GARY GARDNER all featured as Brighton came from behind to draw 2-2 at home to Reading on Boxing Day.
It was the tale of the two managers as Brighton contested their first match since Sami Hyypia's departure while Steve Clarke earned his first point as Reading boss.
Two first half goals from Glenn Murray put the Royals in cruise control but the Seagulls pulled one back through Jake Forster-Caskey's effort just before the break.
And, in the 90th minute, Inigo Calderon converted Adrian Colunga's 90th-minute delivery to earn a point.
Brighton take on Fulham at Craven Cottage on Monday and are likely to be without Bent who picked up a groin injury on Friday.
Elsewhere, YACOUBA SYLLA played 90 minutes as Kayseri Erciyesspor lost 3-1 at İstanbul Başakşehir in the Super Lig on Saturday.
Alexandru Epureanu put the hosts ahead after 17 minutes but Edinho equalised.
Two goals in 10 minutes from Doka Madureira and Jérémy Perbet sealed victory to extend Sylla's side's winless run to four matches.
Good to see that the 90th minute delivery led to a 90th minute equaliser. If Brighton had scored in the 90th minute from a 47th minute pass you'd have to ask questions about the Reading marking.
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Gardner and Bent no longer at Brighton and they start winning again.
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Is that Bennett finished there as well now?
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Gardner and Bent no longer at Brighton and they start winning again.
It's Midsomer Murders all over again. The bent gardener did it with the lead piping in conservatory.
No need for Miss Marple or that harridan from Hove.
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More a case of no Hyypia.
Gardner is there until Jan 1st. Bennett is there all season.
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I was told last week that Gary was off to Nottingham Forest in the new year on loan. Not sure about Bent, he has not been there that long and was only talking about signing fulltime for them a couple of weeks ago....
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Talk of bent going to Leeds on loan next.
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Gardner has returned from Brighton
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Bent is off to Derby apparently
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Bent is off to Derby apparently
Done and dusted.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30657286
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Great move for him. Big club, big ambitions, will be fighting us for 15th place next season.
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Enda Stevens to stay on loan at Doncaster until the end of the season.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9630138/enda-season-deal-for-stevens
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Enda Stevens to stay on loan at Doncaster until the end of the season.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9630138/enda-season-deal-for-stevens
So in all likelihood he won't be making another appearance in a Villa shirt again.
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Not really sure where to post this
But of all the players out on loan, who is most likely to play for us again? (apart from Steer )
Helenius Sylla Tonev Bennett Luna Donacien Johnson.
I'd like to think we'd give Helenius another crack, but am expecting some of these players departures
to be quietly announced in the summer.
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None of them.
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I can see Luna getting another crack.
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Are any of them doing well on loan? I haven't heard anything about the ones listed.
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I can see Luna getting another crack.
funnily enough he's probably the player who would fit best into this system.
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He's not getting much of a look-in at Verona, is he?
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I'd like to see Donacien back.
Looked really promising the times I've seen him play for the U21s before going on loan.
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I can see Luna getting another crack.
funnily enough he's probably the player who would fit best into this system.
Except he's really weak physically and defensively. Sure he can go forwards ok but do we want to go back to having centre halfs getting pulled across because the fullbacks are getting murdered?
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Yeah he makes Lowton look solid against a winger
Move on
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Midfielder Gary Gardner has moved to Nottingham Forest on loan.
The deal is until the end of this season.
Gardner's last loan away from B6 was at Brighton earlier this term.
The 22-year-old was with the Seagulls from August 2014 to January 2015.
He has spent time on loan at Coventry City and Sheffield Wednesday previously too.
Gardner is eligible for today's home clash for Forest against his former club, the Owls.
In other news, Janoi Donacien has returned to Villa following the completion of his loan at Tranmere Rovers.
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Thomas Strain to Chester.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30797520
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A post on HITC (http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/01/14/report-aston-villa-outcast-antonio-lunas-loan-deal-at-verona-to/) quotes an Italian sports paper reporting that Luna is moving from Verona.
He has not had it much better with the Italian side. He has not played a single game for the club and the report today suggests he could be moving on.
They even suggest the two locations most likely to be looking into him, unless Aston Villa want him back that is.
La Liga side Elche are said to be keen while Croatian outfit Dinamo Zagreb are also rumoured to be interested in him, according to the same report
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A post on HITC (http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/01/14/report-aston-villa-outcast-antonio-lunas-loan-deal-at-verona-to/) quotes an Italian sports paper reporting that Luna is moving from Verona.
He has not had it much better with the Italian side. He has not played a single game for the club and the report today suggests he could be moving on.
They even suggest the two locations most likely to be looking into him, unless Aston Villa want him back that is.
La Liga side Elche are said to be keen while Croatian outfit Dinamo Zagreb are also rumoured to be interested in him, according to the same report
Clearly back peddling with arms behind back is not a talent highly sought by Champions League sides.
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Gardner had a pretty good game v Derby today; played some good long balls and some nice passes round the corner.
He seemed to be moving freely as well, which was good to see.
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Gardner had a pretty good game v Derby today; played some good long balls and some nice passes round the corner.
He seemed to be moving freely as well, which was good to see.
Got a yellow for a scything tackle as well, so should be welcome back at B6 ;D
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Grauniad reporting that Grealish may be off on loan to Forest or Derby ...
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Grauniad reporting that Grealish may be off on loan to Forest or Derby ...
Oh FFS, this is one player you need to send on in the last 30mins to pull defenders out of position and allow the strikers some freedom.
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Grauniad reporting that Grealish may be off on loan to Forest or Derby ...
Oh FFS, this is one player you need to send on in the last 30mins to pull defenders out of position and allow the strikers some freedom.
What strikers? ;D
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Grauniad reporting that Grealish may be off on loan to Forest or Derby ...
Daily Heil (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2916769/Aston-Villa-youngster-Jack-Grealish-ready-leave-club-loan-FOUR-Championship-teams-ready-swoop.html)
Aston Villa’s teenage winger Jack Grealish is set to go out on loan this month to gain experience in the Championship.
Ipswich, Brentford, Nottingham Forest and Wolves have registered an interest, with Paul Lambert keen to see the 19-year-old to get regular football having been unable to find space for him in recent squads.
Grealish is likely to stay with Villa for the FA Cup fourth round tie against Bournemouth on Sunday, before agreeing a temporary spell at one of the the second-tier’s upwardly mobile teams.
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Presumably not expecting to be in the 5th round of the cup then.
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Gardner had a pretty good game v Derby today; played some good long balls and some nice passes round the corner.
He seemed to be moving freely as well, which was good to see.
It might be time for him to move away in the summer to try and kick start his career.
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Presumably not expecting to be in the 5th round of the cup then.
Because we're possibly sending a squad player out on loan means we expect to lose Sunday?
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Grauniad reporting that Grealish may be off on loan to Forest or Derby ...
Oh FFS, this is one player you need to send on in the last 30mins to pull defenders out of position and allow the strikers some freedom.
What strikers? ;D
Good point!
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Presumably not expecting to be in the 5th round of the cup then.
Because we're possibly sending a squad player out on loan means we expect to lose Sunday?
No, it read like we wanted to use Grealish in the FA Cup but were planning to loan him out straight afterwards as though we expected to not be in the competition afterwards. It wasn't a serious comment.
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Oh dear.
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Yes I saw that, has he thought of playing for Liverpool?
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Sylly boy.
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Going by the radio commentary, Joe Bennett did well against Alexis Sanchez second half
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Jed Steer saved a penalty for Yeovil yesterday too.
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Going by the radio commentary, Joe Bennett did well against Alexis Sanchez second half
I watched the last fifteen minutes, and although they were chasing the equaliser so he was likely to be trying to push forward it looked as though Brighton were playing with a back three and no left-back.
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LOAN NEWS: Chris Herd has joined Wigan Athletic on loan.
He will be with the Latics until the end of the season.
Good luck Chris.
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According to Sky Jed Steer has been called back from loan I dont know why.
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Can anyone confirm if Gardner has gone to Forest? Caught something on the radio but not sure.
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Can anyone confirm if Gardner has gone to Forest? Caught something on the radio but not sure.
Went there a couple of weeks ago until the end of the season.
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I note Gardner was not in the Forest 18 today ...injured or dropped? Still not good either way
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Pearce is now sacked so Jack and Gary can...y'know, go again.
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Can you send managers out on loan?
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Can you send managers out on loan?
Nice idea Percy.
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According to Sky Jed Steer has been called back from loan I dont know why.
Maybe he is one of those keepers who likes to play centre forward sometimes in training and Lambert reckons anything is worth a go to try to get more goals.
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Can you send managers out on loan?
Nice idea Percy.
It worked out well for Bournemouth when they sent young Howe to Burnley for a bit.
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Can you send managers out on loan?
Nice idea Percy.
Actually (and I'm not talking about Lambert here), that's something that I'm surprised that some clubs haven't tried before.
eg why don't Man Utd send Giggs off to manage a League 1 club for a couple of seasons with the idea of bringing him back to the club for another one/two years as assistant before taking over the main job.
I'm sure that some League 1 club would take a big name ex-player on this basis and the manager would learn more than being a number two.
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Can you send managers out on loan?
Nice idea Percy.
Actually (and I'm not talking about Lambert here), that's something that I'm surprised that some clubs haven't tried before.
eg why don't Man Utd send Giggs off to manage a League 1 club for a couple of seasons with the idea of bringing him back to the club for another one/two years as assistant before taking over the main job.
I'm sure that some League 1 club would take a big name ex-player on this basis and the manager would learn more than being a number two.
Because Ryan Giggs wouldn't want to go and manage a league one club?
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He might if he was told that he needed experience being a number one elsewhere for Man Utd to even consider him for the job as their manager.
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In which case, he'd already be managing a League One club, surely? He'd definitely get offers. Probably higher than League One, too.
Plus, Man United would require far more of a track record of success at a decent level to appoint someone manager, way more than doing it in the lower divisions, even if it is a club legend doing it.
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I get the feeling that Van Gaal doesn't want Giggs there. He never looks at him during a match or seeks his opinion. Giggs might just as well
move on elsewhere.
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I get the feeling Van Gaal doesn't want anyone else's opinion, let alone some bloke he inherited.
Sorry, correction. Some bloke he was desperate to work with and who was his first choice assistant out of everybody in the whole wide world.
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Aston Villa striker Callum Robinson has returned to League One side Preston North End on a loan deal for the rest of the season. Robinson scored five goals in 11 appearances for Preston earlier in the campaign.
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Aston Villa striker Callum Robinson has returned to League One side Preston North End on a loan deal for the rest of the season. Robinson scored five goals in 11 appearances for Preston earlier in the campaign.
Made a lot of sense recalling him.
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One of the most pointless loan recalls of all time?
Another example of Lambert's muddled thinking?
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One of the most pointless loan recalls of all time?
Another example of Lambert's muddled thinking?
Based on the timing of it and the amount of use he's been since, my guess is that Lambert recalled him with the intention of using him against Blackpool without checking whether he was cup-tied or not.
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One of the most pointless loan recalls of all time?
Another example of Lambert's muddled thinking?
Wasn't it when one or more of our star strikers was out?
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I just mentioned on the transfer thread, without him we'd have had no striker on the bench with injuries suspensions. So we needed a backup, especially if someone had got a knock in training.
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Lambert could have stuck Burke on the bench. Mind you he is totally useless so he would have been ideal.
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I just mentioned on the transfer thread, without him we'd have had no striker on the bench with injuries suspensions. So we needed a backup, especially if someone had got a knock in training.
Fair enough. Just seemed a bit strange to recall him just as he seemed to be settling in at Preston. It must have fallen around Gabby's suspension / injury.
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Lambert could have stuck Burke on the bench. Mind you he is totally useless so he would have been ideal.
[Cheap shot]We've already got one Berk permanently on the bench.[/cheap shot]
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I'm guessing, but I don't think Burke is overly rated. I reckon he'll be released on a free this summer.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-championship-clubs-queueing-8575417
I thought that Jack was already at Forest
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Didn't happen after Pearce was sacked.
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I think the deal fell through when Pearce and Faulkner left.
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The Truth is back in business!
For us he'd look as useful as a scarecrow though. Or Gabby/Weimann.
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As Dave said last night, which of our 'chances' last night would Bent have scored?
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Oh I agree - he's long gone at Villa. He needs a move.
The other two do as well though.
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As Dave said last night, which of our 'chances' last night would Bent have scored?
When Benteke headed it down in the six yard box and there was no-one on the end of it?
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So he may have had one chance. I have a sneaky feeling Bent isn't the answer to our current problems.
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Bent at the very least should be sat on our bench rather than banging in goals for derby.
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Bent at the very least should be sat on our bench rather than banging in goals for derby.
Whilst I tend to agree, you could also argue 'what's the point'? We don't create anything.
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People are forgetting how unbelievably bad Bent was at Fulham. It's not just us - it's that he's done at the top level. Completely done.
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People are forgetting how unbelievably bad Bent was at Fulham. It's not just us - it's that he's done at the top level. Completely done.
He scored 6 goals in 14 games for Fulham. Not what I'd call bad. He's scoring for Derby regularly now, as he has wherever he has played. Now remind me , how many goals have we scored this season.
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Actually he scored 3 in 24 games for Fulham.
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His record in all competitions for Fulham was 6 in 30, and as Monty says, 3 in 24 in the league, 13 appearances as sub.
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Bent at the very least should be sat on our bench rather than banging in goals for derby.
It would appear that the point is moot.
Owen Bradley @OwenBradley 24m24 minutes ago
Steve McClaren also confirms there is no clause that could see Darren Bent return to Aston Villa. He'll be staying at Derby. #dcfcfans
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People are forgetting how unbelievably bad Bent was at Fulham. It's not just us - it's that he's done at the top level. Completely done.
People also forget that whilst on face value he might appear to be a good option on the bench, he doesn't tend to get into a game when coming on as a sub.
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McClaren has ended the discussion as to whether Bent can be recalled or not. I'm curious as to what the rules are on this though. Could we have had a clause in the loan deal that allowed us to recall him? We are his parent club after all so its not like buying a new player outside of the transfer window. If such a clause is allowed, we didn't cover all scenarios.
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Let's not get get all dewy eyed about Bent just because he has banged a few in for a team that is one of the best in that League.
1. we don't dominate in the last third.
2. Bent in not an impact player.
3. Bent has to carried in the team till that chance falls to his feet.
3. It has been proven at number of clubs in the last 2/3 seasons that he is a luxury player and not scored enough goals till he got to Derby.
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Amazing the transformation in Ince and Bent in a few weeks under a good coach.
The player out of that highlight reel we should be looking at is Callum Wilson.
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Bent thrives on good service. It wasn't his fault that Young and Downing were sold which effectively cut off his supply line. Lambert ruined him by banishing him to the bomb squad and stripping him of the captaincy. Not exactly good man management. Stupid that we can't recall him - about par for yhe course from the club's decision makers.
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We've got good attacking players. Anyone half decent at getting the best out of them will have us scoring and creating more. We could have used someone like Bent to be honest. He's a poacher. I don't think his fitness was great at Fulham, in part down to him having to train with kids in pre-season, and his injury niggles, but I'd sooner have him on our bench than Gabby or Wiemann right now.
Put it where Bent wants it and he'll score, as he's showing at Derby. Defences aren't much better in the top flight either to be honest. I don't think it's that he's having it necessarily easier by any stretch.
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Stupid that we can't recall him - about par for yhe course from the club's decision makers.
Not really, those are the FA rules. Short term loans (anything up to 28 days) can include a recall clause if both clubs agree to it. Anything longer than that is fixed for the time agreed.
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Stupid that we can't recall him - about par for yhe course from the club's decision makers.
Not really, those are the FA rules. Short term loans (anything up to 28 days) can include a recall clause if both clubs agree to it. Anything longer than that is fixed for the time agreed.
But still subject to be broken on agreement from both parties (same as any contract). Robinson for example we recalled early despite the contract being longer.
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Stupid that we can't recall him - about par for yhe course from the club's decision makers.
Not really, those are the FA rules. Short term loans (anything up to 28 days) can include a recall clause if both clubs agree to it. Anything longer than that is fixed for the time agreed.
But still subject to be broken on agreement from both parties (same as any contract). Robinson for example we recalled early despite the contract being longer.
True, but I can't see why Derby would agree to it.
What would they stand to gain?
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Stupid that we can't recall him - about par for yhe course from the club's decision makers.
Not really, those are the FA rules. Short term loans (anything up to 28 days) can include a recall clause if both clubs agree to it. Anything longer than that is fixed for the time agreed.
But still subject to be broken on agreement from both parties (same as any contract). Robinson for example we recalled early despite the contract being longer.
True, but I can't see why Derby would agree to it.
What would they stand to gain?
I am sure I read somewhere that the proportion of wages being paid by the loanee club and any fee involved feed into the equation as well as the length of loan. Lower division clubs are less likely to have some much clout in this respect but Derby have him securely tied up. McLaren was unequivocal in hs esponse the question.
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See what we're missing with Bent? Who else could be so brilliant as to stand completely still while the ball bounces in off his arse?
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Lambert got plenty wrong but loaning Bent out wasn't one of the things, I was adamant that Bent should have been bought back into the fold from the bomb squad but a few matches of watching him changed my opinion totally, Lambert was correct, Bent is finished in the top flight, his legs have gone.
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And yet he might well be playing for Derby in it next season.
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And yet he might well be playing for Derby in it next season.
Or he might not. Or he might and look as shit as he has the last couple of seasons in it.
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Were Bent and Sherwood at Spurs at the same time? Sherwood might want to offer him a new contract.
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Bent scored again I see. From about 2 yards of course!
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Injured Herd returns from Wigan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31532717
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Bent scored again I see. From about 2 yards of course!
At an angle, was a deft finish. The boy deserves praise no matter how begrudging.
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As shit as Bent is according to some on here,i would back him every time to score more goals than Gabby or Weimann.
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Thomas Strain loaned out to Chester.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30797520
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Apparently Gardner's doing well at Forest.
So, y'know, should be useful for us in the Championship next season then.
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Joe Bennett had a stormed against Small Heath yesterday including an assist, makes me feel slightly better on a miserable day,anyone think he'd be worse than Cissoko?
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Joe Bennett had a stormed against Small Heath yesterday including an assist, makes me feel slightly better on a miserable day,anyone think he'd be worse than Cissoko?
Me
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Joe Bennett had a stormed against Small Heath yesterday including an assist, makes me feel slightly better on a miserable day,anyone think he'd be worse than Cissoko?
Me
I think Cissokho is better defensively and Bennett is better going forward.
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Joe Bennett had a stormed against Small Heath yesterday including an assist, makes me feel slightly better on a miserable day,anyone think he'd be worse than Cissoko?
Me
I think Cissokho is better defensively and Bennett is better going forward.
Part of me wants to agree with you but aside from an assist against Ipswich in the FA cup (god knows how I remember that one) I'm struggling to think of a single offensive contribution Bennett made in his time here. Not that Cissokhos made many either.
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Cissokho is fine as a defender.
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Joe Bennett had a stormed against Small Heath yesterday including an assist, makes me feel slightly better on a miserable day,anyone think he'd be worse than Cissoko?
Me
I think Cissokho is better defensively and Bennett is better going forward.
Part of me wants to agree with you but aside from an assist against Ipswich in the FA cup (god knows how I remember that one) I'm struggling to think of a single offensive contribution Bennett made in his time here. Not that Cissokhos made many either.
I think it was his ball in for Benteke's goal in that horrible Bradford win.
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Cissokho is fine as a defender.
He isnt though.
He is a bit like John Travolta at the Oscars with his hands all over the place attackers on the wings, giving away countless unnecessary free kicks. Its just rank lazy defending from him. Again with Walters last weekend, instead of making it difficult just gets his arms around him.
Poor positionally, Clark has been covering up for his mistakes for weeks.
For a big guy, he doesnt half pull out of physical contact. Hull in particular he was a disgrace, Stephen Warnock esque even.
With the ball, he is in a league of his own. Im struggling to think of a more technically limited player that has played for the club.
The longer the season has gone on, the more he holds his own in our left back hall of shame - Warnock, Shorey, Bennett, Stevens, Luna. What a collection
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Disagree completely.
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Gary Gardner regaining his form, as a defensive mid-fielder at Forest, their fans very positive.I,d love to see Gary find the form that initially made him such a highly acclaimed youngster......Godzvilla!
Nottingham Forest fans react on Twitter to Gary Gardner's performance against Bournemouth.
Having taken 13 points from the past five matches to move up to eight in the table, one of the key reasons for their recent revival has been the form of on-loan Aston Villa midfielder Gary Gardner, who appears to be thriving in a deeper defensive role under the new boss.
With the youngster’s presence in front of the back-four freeing up Ben Osborn and skipper Lansbury to push forward, fans have been more than pleased with his impact, and a number took to Twitter following the Bournemouth result to hail his latest run out and even call for his permanent signing.
See fans reaction here, too many to paste ....Godzvilla!:
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/02/26/nottingham-forest-fans-react-to-gary-gardners-performance-agains/? ....
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That's interesting.
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Good to see because he wasn't getting good reviews at Brighton and he was being written off.
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Good to see because he wasn't getting good reviews at Brighton and he was being written off.
Seems a deeper role is suiting him really well.
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Good to see because he wasn't getting good reviews at Brighton and he was being written off.
Seems a deeper role is suiting him really well.
Gardner, Westwood and Sanchez to compete for one slot in the starting XI next season?
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Doesn't look like we'll be short of a defensive midfielder - shocker. Could do with more creative types mind (to say the least).
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Joe Bennett had a stormed against Small Heath yesterday including an assist, makes me feel slightly better on a miserable day,anyone think he'd be worse than Cissoko?
Me
I think Cissokho is better defensively and Bennett is better going forward.
Part of me wants to agree with you but aside from an assist against Ipswich in the FA cup (god knows how I remember that one) I'm struggling to think of a single offensive contribution Bennett made in his time here. Not that Cissokhos made many either.
In that season he and Lowton were 1 & 2 for assists.
Cissokho is a better defender and is suited in a back 4. I reckon Bennett would be fine in a back 3/5 being used as a wing back/wide midfield
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Good to see because he wasn't getting good reviews at Brighton and he was being written off.
Difference being that he's playing with a team in the top third rather than a struggling team in the bottom five
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Good to see because he wasn't getting good reviews at Brighton and he was being written off.
Just like scoring sensation Marco van Bentsten.
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I did wonder if Gardner would be a better bet as a DCM. He's got a good physique but he always looks too slow to play in an attacking position
Still need to give him a fair bit of time to show his potential
Could well be playing in the championship for us next year so good to see he can do it
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I was talking to someone who knows the Gardner family. They said the family's footballing allegiances are split but are mostly toward Villa. I asked if Gary ever left, would he suddenly come out as a Bluenose and apparently he really is Villa through and through so that's a relief.
On a sidenote, its been reported that Sherwood has moved the U21's training area next to the first team. It's such glaring common sense I can't believe it wasn't like that before.
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I was talking to someone who knows the Gardner family. They said the family's footballing allegiances are split but are mostly toward Villa. I asked if Gary ever left, would he suddenly come out as a Bluenose and apparently he really is Villa through and through so that's a relief.
On a sidenote, its been reported that Sherwood has moved the U21's training area next to the first team. It's such glaring common sense I can't believe it wasn't like that before.
He scored today and a Forest fan on Call Collymore was raving about him. It pains me to say it but maybe he will be an asset for us next season in a lower division.
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I was talking to someone who knows the Gardner family. They said the family's footballing allegiances are split but are mostly toward Villa. I asked if Gary ever left, would he suddenly come out as a Bluenose and apparently he really is Villa through and through so that's a relief.
On a sidenote, its been reported that Sherwood has moved the U21's training area next to the first team. It's such glaring common sense I can't believe it wasn't like that before.
He scored today and a Forest fan on Call Collymore was raving about him. It pains me to say it but maybe he will be an asset for us next season in a lower division.
can we recall him?
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I did wonder if Gardner would be a better bet as a DCM. He's got a good physique but he always looks too slow to play in an attacking position
Still need to give him a fair bit of time to show his potential
Could well be playing in the championship for us next year so good to see he can do it
This was my thinking. Playing in a deeper lying role will give him more time on the ball. He's got a good range of passing. When he's around the box his feet aren't really quick enough. But you'd fancy him to run from deep sometimes and pelt a 30 yarder in the net.
I'd play him now if we could. But certainly in the Championship next season he could prove useful. Cleverley won't be signed and Westwood needs to either go or be relegated to squaddie.
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I think Westwood would be perfectly fine as a first-choice starter in the Championship, but only if there's another midfielder who can force the issue in the final third. That player we may be yet to sign, or it could be Bacuna or Grealish (or Gil, if somehow he doesn't leave this summer.)
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Helenius scored tonight
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Helenius scored tonight
He also tweeted on Tuesday "come on Villa today"
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Helenius scored tonight
He also tweeted on Tuesday "come on Villa today"
New manager could mean another bite of the cherry next season. I quite liked Helenius from what I'd seen in the pre-season. There's potential there. Hopefully he comes back fit and firing in the next pre-season. Ditto Libor.
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GG scored a belter and Stuart Pearce said that's what you get with him!
http://www.soccerxtra.com/newsrumors/watch-gary-gardeners-unreal-goal-for-nottingham-forest-video/
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That was his goal against Reading the previous week rather than the one against Boro yesterday
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sorry this one then
http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/watch-nottingham-forests-gardner-scores-wonder-goal-against-boro/
if TC decides for Goodison then GG will find a home back here to be sure if he continues to do this
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Which was another belter
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Callum Robinson scored a nice goal too yesterday.
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Gardner's yesterday was even better than the reading one, he just passes it into the top corner as if it's the easiest thing in the world.
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I'm really encouraged by our Gary doing really well. Praying that he stays healthy because our new manager will give him every opportunity to get a place in the squad and the team.
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He does seem to be getting better all the time
Hopefully he's getting some zip into his legs as he has looked unbelievably slow for villa.
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Callum Robinson scored a nice goal too yesterday.
He ( Robinson) is getting lots of plaudits at Preston, it would be great to se him and Gardner coming through. Maybe they,re also benefiting from playing with a different Manager!..............Godzvilla!
"Dele Alli, the leading goalscorer for Milton Keynes Dons who is destined for Tottenham Hotspur in the summer, was missing through injury, leaving another exciting young talent to dominate this meeting between two teams competing for automatic promotion from Sky Bet League One.
Unfortunately for the Dons, that player was Callum Robinson, the forward loaned to Preston North End by Aston Villa for the second time this season and developing into a key element in their increasingly impressive promotion drive.
Robinson, 20, who scored five times in 11 games for Preston in his first spell at the club this season, opened the scoring as they moved four points clear of their hosts and consolidated their place in the top two behind Bristol City.
Bailey Wright, the Preston defender, has sympathy for the League One defenders trying to cope with Robinson, who has made four appearances for his parent club.
“MK Dons didn’t seem to be able to handle him and, to be honest, it’s a bit like that in training,” Wright said. “We can’t handle him either. He is a player with a lot of potential and he is only going to get better and better.
“We saw that when he came on his first loan spell. He has a great attitude and wants to win games. It’s not just about his work on the ball, he works hard off it as well. Everyone appreciates that because he has come on loan from a big club and sometimes you don’t get both.”
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Weimann's replacement next season?
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That's a fantastic away following for Preston, puts both of our nearest and dearest to shame.
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Callum Robinson looked a bit ordinary in Prestin's 5-1 win yesterday, but maybe that was with the rest of the team on fire! I liked watching the understanding he has with Daniel Johnson which has clearly come out of them growing up together at Villa.
Daniel Johnson totally ran the game, and would definitely have got man of the match but for Joey Garner's hat trick. They sing £50 grand £50 grand Daniel Johnson - no one can believe what a steal he was. If they go up, he will still do well in The Championship next season, & could well come back to haunt us at a later stage of his career! Certainly, I can see PNE making money on him.
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No sell-on clause then..
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Would have been interesting to see what Sherwood would have done with him.
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How did GG do yesterday?
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Always thought Daniel Johnson looked talented. A bit delph-like
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I didn't even realise we had sold him! Thought he was on loan
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Callum Robinson looked a bit ordinary in Prestin's 5-1 win yesterday, but maybe that was with the rest of the team on fire! I liked watching the understanding he has with Daniel Johnson which has clearly come out of them growing up together at Villa.
Daniel Johnson totally ran the game, and would definitely have got man of the match but for Joey Garner's hat trick. They sing £50 grand £50 grand Daniel Johnson - no one can believe what a steal he was. If they go up, he will still do well in The Championship next season, & could well come back to haunt us at a later stage of his career! Certainly, I can see PNE making money on him.
To be fair, Garner's goals were a bit bloody good too.
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Always liked the look of Johnson.
Surprised that we let him go at a good age.
I know they play different positions but it always rankles with me to see the player that Cahill has turned into and for us this season Clark...a little more patience with the classier players - and I count Johnson as one of those - seems to be worth it.
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Always liked the look of Johnson.
Surprised that we let him go at a good age.
I know they play different positions but it always rankles with me to see the player that Cahill has turned into and for us this season Clark...a little more patience with the classier players - and I count Johnson as one of those - seems to be worth it.
I always thought Cahill was a good player. Same with Clark, although I have wondered in the past if holding midfielder might turn out to be his best position.
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The thing that impresses me about Clark is that he really wants to win, he above all is the one shouting and geeing up his team mates, he loves playing for the Villa.
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Always liked the look of Johnson.
Surprised that we let him go at a good age.
I know they play different positions but it always rankles with me to see the player that Cahill has turned into and for us this season Clark...a little more patience with the classier players - and I count Johnson as one of those - seems to be worth it.
I always thought Cahill was a good player. Same with Clark, although I have wondered in the past if holding midfielder might turn out to be his best position.
Just spoke to a Preston fan at work and he's raving about Johnson and Robinson. Can't believe the steal they had with Johnson and reckons, like most of us do, that Robinson would have been given a real chance by Sherwood. Hopefully see him flourish next year!
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Always liked the look of Johnson.
Surprised that we let him go at a good age.
I know they play different positions but it always rankles with me to see the player that Cahill has turned into and for us this season Clark...a little more patience with the classier players - and I count Johnson as one of those - seems to be worth it.
I always thought Cahill was a good player. Same with Clark, although I have wondered in the past if holding midfielder might turn out to be his best position.
I also really like Clark but I don't think he's mobile enough or has quick enough feet to play as a holding midfielder, especially not that he's bulked-up quite considerably. Definitely a centre-back for me.
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Surely clark's form this year has finally put to bed the idea he's a midfielder
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One Forest fan on their forum saying that Gary Gardner was MOTM again today and far too good for the Championship.
I think he'll fit in very well under Sherwood next year.
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Promising on Gardner, hope he makes it.
I was amongst Clark's biggest critics but he's running Hutton close for most improved player this season.
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I have a feeling that we will come to regret giving Johnson away for almost nothing.Having watched him many times in the U21 ,it was clear to see he had talent and while i did not think he was good enough for the Premier,he certainly looked good enough to be given a chance at least. It is a pity that Lambert seemed scared to give the likes of Johnson,Robinson and Grealish a decent chance.
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I was told by a regular watcher of the youth and reserve teams that Johnson had real talent and could play at the highest level. It will be a sad thing if it was his attitude that meant the Villa to let him go rather than ability.
But if he has now realised what is required of him to be a professional footballer then good for him and well done Preston for giving him an opportunity to demonstrate that.
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Sounds like a buy back option or sell on clause should have been included, as the alleged £50k is neither here nor there, whereas he could be a £1m + player soon. At £50k I would not be surprised if there is something of that ilk.
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It is a pity that Lambert seemed scared to give the likes of Johnson,Robinson and Grealish a decent chance.
True. Although Lambert didn't spend a king's ransom on the likes of Luna, Bennett and Tonev it is still money that could have been saved by trusting the kids more and we'd have been no worse off overall. Heck, he could have used Enda Stevens more at left back (I realise Enda was another player bought in but he was already here when Lambert arrived).
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Nottingham Forest fans react on Twitter to Gary Gardner's performance against Rotherham (http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/03/19/nottingham-forest-fans-react-to-gary-gardners-performance-agai-1/)
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Good news on Gardner, hopefully he'll be able to make the step up with us next year.
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That's the second time in a few weeks that the NFFC fans on twitter have raved about Gardner isn't it?
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It reminds of when Delph went out on loan after being injured , he got his confidence back and look at him now.
Hopefully Gary can do the same
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I am as happy to see that he has managed a season injury free, we, by and large, could see the talent was there, the question has been over whether he would have the strength to come back after the last couple of horror seasons. It looks as though he has. It would be nice for another one of our, much vaunted, academy players to establish themselves in the Premier League, one of our most disappointing failings.
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Relative failings in my opinion. It is possibly because we have historically kept all our players in house rather than loan them out, as a consequence we win the 'reserve league' and hype up our players, whereas spurs/arsenal/chelsea have had the equivalent players on loan involved in real matches.
Regardless, our youth set up is far from a failure, but it can improve.
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Lewis Kinsella has gone out on loan to Luton. Cos we've got loads of left backs knocking about the place at the moment.
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Burke's gone out on loan too.
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And Williams has gone to Notts County, too.
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I wondered why there was a burst of loan activity. But then I realised it is 'loan deadline day' today isn't it? Not quite the good old days of rushing back from school to check teletext on deadline Thursday.
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Burke's gone on loan to Notts County. I'm not sure who Williams is.
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Burke's gone on loan to Notts County. I'm not sure who Williams is.
That's my inability to read anything with an A1 hangover. Please ignore.
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Burke's gone on loan to Notts County. I'm not sure who Williams is.
That's my inability to read anything with an A1 hangover. Please ignore.
I think Jordan Williams is a Liverpool player who has also signed on loan for Notts County
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Gardner quite rightly booked for Nottingham Forest.
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Gardner quite rightly booked for Nottingham Forest.
First thing he has done in this match.
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Didnt realise Andy D'Urso was still going.
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Brilliant goalmouth clearance from Eric Lihaj!
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Callum Robinson appears to be playing well again. Preston 1 up at HT
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Tranmere fans seem to be saying that Donacien is best at right-back, but having to play centre-back as their other centre-backs are all rubbish.
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I see Bent got another 2 goals for Derby last night in their 4-0 win against bottom club Blackpool (12 goals in 15 games now). He got the 3rd and 4th the last being a penalty. After their poor run of form looks like Derby should make the play offs.
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Mr Amfy won't be happy, throwing away a 2 goal lead.
Lovely goal from Robinson.
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I see Bent got another 2 goals for Derby last night in their 4-0 win against bottom club Blackpool (12 goals in 15 games now). He got the 3rd and 4th the last being a penalty. After their poor run of form looks like Derby should make the play offs.
Would be a cracking Permanent move for him, particularly if they go up. He needs to play week in, week out at his age.
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In fact we have the in form striker in the Prem and the in form striker in the Championship both on our books. This is the club that couldn't score goals a couple of months ago!
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One of the papers linked us with a (loan?) move for Patrick Bamford in the summer.
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Gary Gardner scores tonight.
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Gardner has to be back at Villa next year. He's going really well
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You would imagine Sherwood will want to give him a chance next season. He doesn't seem to rate Westwood too highly and who knows what will happen with Cleverley.
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Robinson's got to be worth a shout, too.
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Yeah I'm sure he'll get a few run-outs in pre-season and then it will be up to him.
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Apparently sherwood was there tonight
I wonder if he's at all considering recalling him for Sunday? Forest don't have anything to play for and we are very light in midfield
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Apparently sherwood was there tonight
I wonder if he's at all considering recalling him for Sunday? Forest don't have anything to play for and we are very light in midfield
He can't
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Apparently sherwood was there tonight
I wonder if he's at all considering recalling him for Sunday? Forest don't have anything to play for and we are very light in midfield
He can't
And wouldn't
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Saw GG's goal on Sky. Direct free-kick, very good.
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I saw a vine on Twitter and it looked a bit central - or keeper would be disappointed not to save it?
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Is Tonev still at Celtic? I haven't seen his name mentioned for some time.
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I didnt see him last night but the last couple of times I saw him play he was excellent on set pieces but slow.. really slow during open play. Has he sped up a bit?
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I have a feeling both Gardener and Robinson will be given a fair chance next pre season. Lambert did not have the guts to give young players a chance,while Sherwood has shown if he thinks the player is good enough,he is old enough.
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You would imagine Sherwood will want to give him a chance next season. He doesn't seem to rate Westwood too highly and who knows what will happen with Cleverley.
I imagine he'll give him a chance this season before making contract decisions, Forest's season finishes on May 2nd so he'd be available for our last three league games.
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You would imagine Sherwood will want to give him a chance next season. He doesn't seem to rate Westwood too highly and who knows what will happen with Cleverley.
I imagine he'll give him a chance this season before making contract decisions, Forest's season finishes on May 2nd so he'd be available for our last three league games.
MOTM last night, judging by this article and posts from the N.F.twitterati,we should sign him now ...before someone else steps in...........Godzvilla!
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/04/16/forest-fans-react-on-twitter-to-gardners-performance-against-wat/page/1/
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I have a feeling both Gardener and Robinson will be given a fair chance next pre season. Lambert did not have the guts to give young players a chance,while Sherwood has shown if he thinks the player is good enough,he is old enough.
Gardner certainly is old enough, not a kid anymore. 22 - 23 before the start of next season.
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I have a feeling both Gardener and Robinson will be given a fair chance next pre season. Lambert did not have the guts to give young players a chance,while Sherwood has shown if he thinks the player is good enough,he is old enough.
Gardner certainly is old enough, not a kid anymore. 22 - 23 before the start of next season.
I have a feeling both Gardener and Robinson will be given a fair chance next pre season. Lambert did not have the guts to give young players a chance,while Sherwood has shown if he thinks the player is good enough,he is old enough.
Gardner certainly is old enough, not a kid anymore. 22 - 23 before the start of next season.
He's missed so much time through serious injury that he's more like a 19-20 year old in terms of development.
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I have a feeling both Gardener and Robinson will be given a fair chance next pre season. Lambert did not have the guts to give young players a chance,while Sherwood has shown if he thinks the player is good enough,he is old enough.
Gardner certainly is old enough, not a kid anymore. 22 - 23 before the start of next season.
I have a feeling both Gardener and Robinson will be given a fair chance next pre season. Lambert did not have the guts to give young players a chance,while Sherwood has shown if he thinks the player is good enough,he is old enough.
Gardner certainly is old enough, not a kid anymore. 22 - 23 before the start of next season.
He's missed so much time through serious injury that he's more like a 19-20 year old in terms of development.
It's true he's had no luck with injuries, but including his loan spells he's made over 50 first team appearances. Granted, over half of these are at Championship level but he's got a bit of experience.
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Interesting that one of the comments said that Sherwood was in the stands watching the game.
Forest's season may end before ours but I don't think we'll be able to use him. I imagine the loan period will be up to June 30th.
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Interesting that one of the comments said that Sherwood was in the stands watching the game.
Forest's season may end before ours but I don't think we'll be able to use him. I imagine the loan period will be up to June 30th.
Credit to Sherwood for being there (assuming it is true). It suggests that he works hard and will put in the hours. He has been called a chancer (by me) yet this sort of thoroughness demonstrates the complete opposite, or at least that he is on the fast-track trajectory.
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I'd hope to see Robinson taking Weimann's place in the squad next season as our third choice striker/wide forward. Be nice to See Gardner back having a chance as well as we all had such high hopes for him. If he's been playing a deeper role though I guess he'll have to compete with Westwood and Sanchez which could be tough for him.
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when I saw him in the NextGen, he played the Gerrard box to box role, obviously a lot better. He was head and shoulders above anyone else.
when he has played for us, it has never been in that role and combined with his injuries, we haven't had the chance to see him at his best yet.
I still have high hopes for him if he can stay injury free and get a run of games for us
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when I saw him in the NextGen, he played the Gerrard box to box role, obviously a lot better. He was head and shoulders above anyone else.
I'm not convinced he has the pace or engine to play such a role. Happily proved otherwise and concede that I've only seen him in a handful of games.
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I see Helenius got on the scoresheet for Aalborg the other day.
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I see Helenius got on the scoresheet for Aalborg the other day.
Forgot to add this to the thread.
Really good finish from a tight angle. Some good hold up play and through ball for their first goal as well.
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The Gladiator rattled in a first half hat-trick today as Aalborg strolled to a 5-0 home win over Hobro, who should obviously stick to making sweets.
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Maximus Helenius has taken a while to get back in the swing of things, but looks like he's picking up some form. I felt he had something about him. Certainly not lacking in ability. I'll be interested to see if he catches Sherwoods eye in pre-season.
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Maximus Helenius has taken a while to get back in the swing of things, but looks like he's picking up some form. I felt he had something about him. Certainly not lacking in ability. I'll be interested to see if he catches Sherwoods eye in pre-season.
Ahem. From Helenius' own thread.
Helenius didn't have the gumption to make it. He lacked an aggressive streak it seems and obviously didn't settle. That's unfortunately what you get when you pay peanuts sometimes. Did he get a fair crack of the whip? Probably not, but Lambert will have his reasons for that. Perhaps Lambert saw enough by August to realise it would take time for Niklas, and then went ahead with the Kozak deal.
However stories about Helenius struggling to settle were circulating pretty early on last season and continued. His agents not particularly done him many favours. I recall one of his ex coaches being asked to give his opinion on Niklas and how he'd settle. The guy said that for a big man he's not good in the air and he needed to improve his strength at this level, and also IIRC, that he'd have to quicken his decision making on the ball.
Now it might be that in another 6months to a year, he might turn it around but if he's not willing to wait and bide his time, then good luck to him. He can go back to anonymity in Denmark.
It wasn't to be. This experiment failed. Goodbye, good luck, not good enough. He clearly doesn't have enough aggression or quite the arrogance to make it in this league, whereas conversely, arrogance has taken Bentdner quite far.
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pwned! As I think I've had more than once...
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Maximus Helenius has taken a while to get back in the swing of things, but looks like he's picking up some form. I felt he had something about him. Certainly not lacking in ability. I'll be interested to see if he catches Sherwoods eye in pre-season.
Ahem. From Helenius' own thread.
Helenius didn't have the gumption to make it. He lacked an aggressive streak it seems and obviously didn't settle. That's unfortunately what you get when you pay peanuts sometimes. Did he get a fair crack of the whip? Probably not, but Lambert will have his reasons for that. Perhaps Lambert saw enough by August to realise it would take time for Niklas, and then went ahead with the Kozak deal.
However stories about Helenius struggling to settle were circulating pretty early on last season and continued. His agents not particularly done him many favours. I recall one of his ex coaches being asked to give his opinion on Niklas and how he'd settle. The guy said that for a big man he's not good in the air and he needed to improve his strength at this level, and also IIRC, that he'd have to quicken his decision making on the ball.
Now it might be that in another 6months to a year, he might turn it around but if he's not willing to wait and bide his time, then good luck to him. He can go back to anonymity in Denmark.
It wasn't to be. This experiment failed. Goodbye, good luck, not good enough. He clearly doesn't have enough aggression or quite the arrogance to make it in this league, whereas conversely, arrogance has taken Bentdner quite far.
To be fair this was before the story came up about his illness and personal problems which accounted for his seeming lack of drive.
He's got ability. I thought he looked good in that pre-season.
He may not still gain that aggression or strength required for this league however. We'll see. As with many players under Lambert, they need to be re-evaluated I think in pre-season. Granted I doubt many of those will ultimately make it, but 1-2 may do such as Gardner and possibly Bennett.
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So you rated his ability high enough to write
"Goodbye, good luck, not good enough."?
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So you rated his ability high enough to write
"Goodbye, good luck, not good enough."?
You can have all the ability in the world and not make it. The Moores had more natural talent than Gabby. And as I say, I and most of us weren't privvy to all the facts about Helenius behind the scenes. So on the surface initially, when you have a players agent complaining about lack of playing time and pushing for a move back to Denmark, on the surface it looks a little like a lack of fight.
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So you rated his ability high enough to write
"Goodbye, good luck, not good enough."?
You can have all the ability in the world and not make it. The Moores had more natural talent than Gabby. And as I say, I and most of us weren't privvy to all the facts about Helenius behind the scenes. So on the surface initially, when you have a players agent complaining about lack of playing time and pushing for a move back to Denmark, on the surface it looks a little like a lack of fight.
It still doesn't answer "not good enough". He might well not have what it takes at this level, there's a hell of difference between the Supaliga and the PL.
I just can't square "I felt he had something about him." with "Goodbye, good luck, not good enough."
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Video of Helenius' hattrick here (http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/Fodbold/Superliga/2015/05/01/202313.htm)
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He might still have a chance. We will have to see. Many changes this summer I suspect.
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So you rated his ability high enough to write
"Goodbye, good luck, not good enough."?
You can have all the ability in the world and not make it. The Moores had more natural talent than Gabby. And as I say, I and most of us weren't privvy to all the facts about Helenius behind the scenes. So on the surface initially, when you have a players agent complaining about lack of playing time and pushing for a move back to Denmark, on the surface it looks a little like a lack of fight.
It still doesn't answer "not good enough". He might well not have what it takes at this level, there's a hell of difference between the Supaliga and the PL.
I just can't square "I felt he had something about him." with "Goodbye, good luck, not good enough."
As with anything things change in football. Before August Alan Hutton was an abomination that almost no one wanted to see back in the side. And now we're coming up to the end of the season and he's been one of our best players.
It's the football fans prerogative. If he comes back and tries to win his place then I'll root for him. Alternatively if he feels this is a step beyond him at this level and wants to stay in Aalborg, then it'll be goodbye, good luck and ultimately, not good enough. Personally, I hope he does try.
The same applies to Carles Gil. If players really give it their all to make it work at a club then they get my support. If Gil pushes for a move back to Spain this summer then I'm short of sympathy. Again he's got talent to burn. But is he a Premiership player? We'll see.
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Excuse my ignorance please, who's the player we're looking at there and who's he playing for. Sorry I don't recognise him.
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Excuse my ignorance please, who's the player we're looking at there and who's he playing for. Sorry I don't recognise him.
Graham Burke for Notts County.
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Thank you.
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On that video, AaB's number 23 Thomsen looks useful.
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On that video, AaB's number 23 Thomsen looks useful.
Thomsen Cleversen?
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I wonder that, if Ramsey stays at QPR next season, a few of our younger fringe players don't end up on-loan there due to his links with Sherwood. They have about 9 senior players out-of-contract this summer, so loans for the likes of Bennett, Lowton - maybe even Weimann, might make sense for both parties.
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It looks like Bennett might just have a future with us;
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4716973,00.html
I think we can also safely say that Cissokho will be on his way in the summer.
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It looks like Bennett might just have a future with us;
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4716973,00.html
I think we can also safely say that Cissokho will be on his way in the summer.
I'm not sure Richardson should be anything more than a short term measure.
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It looks like Bennett might just have a future with us;
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4716973,00.html
I think we can also safely say that Cissokho will be on his way in the summer.
I'm not sure Richardson should be anything more than a short term measure.
I'm not sure, he's been good since the QPR game (which was his worst performance for us by a long way). If he can keep playing at this level then he's fine for where we are and it gives us a chance to look at Bennett and then replace 1 or both next summer instead. I have a similar opinion on Gabby and Joe Cole, they're worth keeping because they give experienced cover whilst we see if the younger players can make the step up.
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I do hope we give Helenius another look and the player himself is looking at the changes at the club in the past few months and is excited about returning. I know he had some of his own issues to deal with but he is looking sharp again from that footage.
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I think the ship has sailed with Helenius. Kozak is still to come back and we should be looking at proven quality up-front in the summer to help the Beast, not one of the old regime's hopeful punts.
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Joe Bennett will come back more experienced and I trust Sherwood and his coaches more to get the most out of him that I do Lambert and his coaches. Richardson has shown he can do, I just wonder how long he can stay fit. I don't mind having those 2 next season and spending more money on other areas of the squad.
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Joe Bennett will come back more experienced and I trust Sherwood and his coaches more to get the most out of him that I do Lambert and his coaches. Richardson has shown he can do, I just wonder how long he can stay fit. I don't mind having those 2 next season and spending more money on other areas of the squad.
I think the major thing is not to have our fullbacks defending for the majority of games. An awful lot of pressure has been put on players like Lowton, Bennett, Luna and the others under Lambert and these are fullbacks probably more comfortable going forward than back. If you have to defend for 90 minutes you're gonna make mistakes.
Sherwood's Villa push forward and allow the fullbacks to express themselves more in attack and give the opposition wingers and fullbacks something to think about. Lambert really did his fullbacks no favours. Isolating them going forward, and also in defence too often. I remember the game when Ben Arfa was absolutely murdering Tony Moon. It was brutal to watch but Lambert did absolutely nothing to try and rectify it.
I guess pre-season will tell us a lot. Sherwood will undoubtedly know by August just who is worth keeping and who will be sold on.
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On that point, Bacuna has notched up a lot of assists in a short amount of time. If we can make him solid defensively he'll be some right back.
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On that point, Bacuna has notched up a lot of assists in a short amount of time. If we can make him solid defensively he'll be some right back.
and consider playing 3 CB with two wing backs. Bacuna and Bennett would fit the bill well.
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On that point, Bacuna has notched up a lot of assists in a short amount of time. If we can make him solid defensively he'll be some right back.
and consider playing 3 CB with two wing backs. Bacuna and Bennett would fit the bill well.
I'm amazed that formation has never been tried. Although westwood occasionally drops into a sort of libero position so it could be argued we employ the formation as a variation on the diamond 442.
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On that point, Bacuna has notched up a lot of assists in a short amount of time. If we can make him solid defensively he'll be some right back.
He was awful defensively yesterday. Against clever, fast attacking full backs he looks very dodgy to me
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On that point, Bacuna has notched up a lot of assists in a short amount of time. If we can make him solid defensively he'll be some right back.
He was awful defensively yesterday. Against clever, fast attacking full backs he looks very dodgy to me
He was brilliant in the second half, you should have seen it.
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On that point, Bacuna has notched up a lot of assists in a short amount of time. If we can make him solid defensively he'll be some right back.
He was awful defensively yesterday. Against clever, fast attacking full backs he looks very dodgy to me
Everybody was dreadful yesterday. He's got to get better defensively but when all around him are dreadful, I don't see what chance someone's got when they're still learning the defensive side of the game. Okore was possibly the worst, and apparently is injured, but he's next to Bacuna. It wouldn't be a bad idea to have a more experienced right sided centre back in the squad when we come to rebuild.
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On that point, Bacuna has notched up a lot of assists in a short amount of time. If we can make him solid defensively he'll be some right back.
He was awful defensively yesterday. Against clever, fast attacking full backs he looks very dodgy to me
He was brilliant in the second half, you should have seen it.
Superb!
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On that point, Bacuna has notched up a lot of assists in a short amount of time. If we can make him solid defensively he'll be some right back.
He was awful defensively yesterday. Against clever, fast attacking full backs he looks very dodgy to me
He was brilliant in the second half, you should have seen it.
On that point, Bacuna has notched up a lot of assists in a short amount of time. If we can make him solid defensively he'll be some right back.
He was awful defensively yesterday. Against clever, fast attacking full backs he looks very dodgy to me
He was brilliant in the second half, you should have seen it.
Superb!
Yawn. I did and he wasn't, just a bit less shit. As you were both there though, I'm sure you know that already
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Who wasn't poor defensively? Got to say I think leaving at half time is something I have never done or never will, would rather slag them off than leave
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If you want to try the better fan route Richard, want to compare games been to this season?
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Who wasn't poor defensively? Got to say I think leaving at half time is something I have never done or never will, would rather slag them off than leave
If I had to go back to Luton, I'd have stayed to slag them off like you
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If you want to try the better fan route Richard, want to compare games been to this season?
I thought most of them were awful under Lambert, better with Tim at the helm, how about you?
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If you want to try the better fan route Richard, want to compare games been to this season?
I thought most of them were awful under Lambert, better with Tim at the helm, how about you?
How many have you been to this season that weren't at Wembley?
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If you want to try the better fan route Richard, want to compare games been to this season?
I thought most of them were awful under Lambert, better with Tim at the helm, how about you?
How many have you been to this season that weren't at Wembley?
0.5, actually the five of us left after 43 minutes, so make that 0.43. I left at half time against Man City too in 87 when I think we were only about 3 down so I have previous form on this. You are a much better fan than me and I am only just beginning to come to terms with myself for leaving because two of our party insisted they didn't want to stay. I'm thinking of giving up the Villa in disgust at my actions. Oh and we were the only five who left which makes it worse. We walked back to the pub to watch the second half and I never realised how many people who live in Southampton have Brummie accents.
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I wasn't the one who tried the better fan routine because I managed half a game someone else who does a lot more than me every season didn't go to. I just thought it was a very funny joke Lee did.
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I wasn't the one who tried the better fan routine because I managed half a game someone else who does a lot more than me every season didn't go to. I just thought it was a very funny joke Lee did.
I'm unemployed by the way too and don't have a car. As I said, you are a much better fan than me for going to all the matches you have been to. My dad treated me to the money for my Wembley ticket and yesterday. We left because one of our party wasn't well, too much sun and drink, and he sat outside the pub in the shade while we watched the rest of the match inside.
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I don't have a car, Dave W, Legion and RedSox who know me irl know how (nearly always) tight money is for me. I never have, and never will, have a go at anyone who can't afford it.
I will however find jokes funny and take the piss over things, ask RedSox what reply he got when he text to say he was bailing at 6-1 with 10 or so to go as proof of it. But if someone tries the better fan routine like you did, I will have a go back.
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Richard, I was just pulling your leg. For balance, I've been 4 times this season, and wasn't there Saturday.
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Fair point about Bacuna defensively though...
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InsideFutbol (http://www.insidefutbol.com/2015/05/22/aston-villa-negotiate-contract-termination-with-nicklas-helenius/209683/)
Aston Villa Negotiate Contract Termination With Nicklas Helenius
Aston Villa are negotiating with Danish striker Nicklas Helenius to terminate his contract.
Helenius has been on loan in his homeland of Denmark this season with former side AaB after struggling to make an impact at Villa Park with the English Premier League club.
The Denmark international joined Aston Villa in 2013 from AaB, penning a three-year contract with the Premier League outfit.
Helenius still has a year remaining on his deal with Aston Villa, but is ready to terminate his contract with the club, even if it means forgoing some of the salary to which he is entitled.
The striker's agent Mads Bach Lund told Danish daily Ekstra Bladet: "Niklas has acted in a 100 per cent professional way in the way he has tackled things and he was ready to return to Aston Villa if desired.
"But they have indicated that he may look at other options and so we are now trying to solve things."
AaB appear the likely destination for Helenius when he terminates his contract with Aston Villa, however he may have interest from elsewhere.
Helenius has won two caps at international level with Denmark.
He cost Aston Villa around £1.2m and was signed by Paul Lambert.
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Strange. Not even a transfer just a straight cancelling of the contract.
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Gardner's interview sounds very positive.
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What interview Paul? Please, be nice and link us.
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what was the point in recalling callum robinson and not playing him on sunday, and depriving him of the chance of playing at wembley for preston?
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what was the point in recalling callum robinson and not playing him on sunday, and depriving him of the chance of playing at wembley for preston?
It would only have made sense to me if Tekkers had been rested completely and Andi or Robinson had started.
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what was the point in recalling callum robinson and not playing him on sunday, and depriving him of the chance of playing at wembley for preston?
So he could look at him in full, meaningful training and decide if he is ready to be part of the main squad next year? Given he's apparently said he wants much of the business done before pre-season getting a look at players he's not seen much of is important, especially if he's heard big things about them.
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Robinson wasn't starting games since Garner came back from injury so seeing him in training will have had more value to us.
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But isn't the fact that he wasn't starting a suggestion that he's not ready for us yet anyway?
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Not necessarily. Beckford and Garner have been scoring goals for fun since Garner came back. When Garner was injured, Robinson was playing, scoring and showing signs of maturing. He'll probably be quite involved in pre-season and then Sherwood will have to decide whether to blood him through or get him on loan somewhere where he'll play regularly and hopefully scoring plenty.
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Not necessarily. Beckford and Garner have been scoring goals for fun since Garner came back. When Garner was injured, Robinson was playing, scoring and showing signs of maturing. He'll probably be quite involved in pre-season and then Sherwood will have to decide whether to blood him through or get him on loan somewhere where he'll play regularly and hopefully scoring plenty.
Possibly the Championship this time.
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Not necessarily. Beckford and Garner have been scoring goals for fun since Garner came back. When Garner was injured, Robinson was playing, scoring and showing signs of maturing. He'll probably be quite involved in pre-season and then Sherwood will have to decide whether to blood him through or get him on loan somewhere where he'll play regularly and hopefully scoring plenty.
Possibly the Championship this time.
With Preston I hope
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Only if something happened to Beckford or Garner. There's little to be gained from having him on somebody else's bench.
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I see Calder has gone to Dundee on loan until Jan. That will prove valuable to him.