Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine

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Title: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Legion on August 21, 2013, 01:24:32 PM
(http://www.heroesandvillains.info/images/issue184.jpg)

Available Saturday 24th from your favourite seller (me) outside the ground (@3:30pm onwards) or via subscription (http://heroespublishing.co.uk/Shop/shop.html).
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: eastie on August 21, 2013, 01:27:20 PM
Looking forward to downloading this - always good to read the first issue of a new season.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Damo70 on August 21, 2013, 01:33:20 PM
I always think it is the perfect size for reading in the bath. If Mr Woodhall wants to use that at any point in future as a little advertising/sales line he is welcome. I won't hold my breath though.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: eastie on August 21, 2013, 01:35:54 PM
I always think it is the perfect size for reading in the bath. If Mr Woodhall wants to use that at any point in future as a little advertising/sales line he is welcome. I won't hold my breath though.

Can be a bit awkward though if you have more than one rubber duck in there to play with too.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2013, 04:39:22 PM
Don't forget to say hello when you buy from me. Please buy from me, Dave won't let me out of the cellar if I don't sell enough copies.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 21, 2013, 05:55:21 PM
And I have written about a quarter of the content so you had better enjoy it!
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2013, 05:58:35 PM
You going to be signing copies Chelts?

I'm really hoping one of my Fives made it in.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 21, 2013, 06:10:46 PM
I think I have told the story before. The wife was very proud one Christmas a few years back, before I started writing for the fanzine.

She had purchased me a copy of Dave's book on Villa managers. The bit she thought was immensely exciting however was that she had a signed copy.

She was probably expecting me to gush in excitement when she pointed out the scribble inside the front cover on Christmas morning.

My response: "I am having a pint with him after the game".

Also, on the famous front. Blackburn away league cup semi.

In a pub before the game and met Guy Manners who used to post round here. I think I was selling him a spare ticket.

After the formalities I mentioned my real name rather than user name.

He took a back step and said "I didn't know you were THE Stuart".

My only moment as a -Z list celeb and it made me very uncomfortable.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2013, 06:14:47 PM
Who's that on the cover? I don't recognise half our team these days.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2013, 06:16:32 PM
Who's that on the cover? I don't recognise half our team these days.

Andi?
Hard to tell as it's a small pic. I'll tell you for sure on Saturday when you buy a copy from me *hint hint*
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: TheSandman on August 21, 2013, 06:17:05 PM
Weimann, I think.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Legion on August 21, 2013, 06:17:15 PM
Who's that on the cover? I don't recognise half our team these days.

Weimann, I think.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: martin@ardenley on August 21, 2013, 08:24:55 PM
Who's that on the cover? I don't recognise half our team these days.

Weimann, I think.

Yes indeed
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 23, 2013, 12:58:18 PM
And the digital version is now available.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Nev on August 23, 2013, 01:05:41 PM
And the digital version is now available.

Is it free?
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 23, 2013, 02:10:32 PM
And the digital version is now available.

Is it free?

No.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2013, 02:11:48 PM
And the winner of the daftest ever question on H&V award goes to *drum roll* Nev.

Speech speech.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Nev on August 23, 2013, 02:24:21 PM
And the winner of the daftest ever question on H&V award goes to *drum roll* Nev.

Speech speech.

Ahem, while I'm unaccustomed to speeches of this kind I am very familiar with  the reluctance of big business to give anything away, come the revolution, exploitation of this will be a thing of the past but in the meantime I could not pass up the opportunity to bait those that reside in opulence, lighting expensive cigars with £20 notes while slaves run around attending to their every whim.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: UK Redsox on August 23, 2013, 02:43:00 PM
Don't forget to say hello when you buy from me. Please buy from me, Dave won't let me out of the cellar if I don't sell enough copies.

Is Mr W letting you out of his sight this season or will you still be by the car park gates ?
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2013, 02:48:26 PM
Don't forget to say hello when you buy from me. Please buy from me, Dave won't let me out of the cellar if I don't sell enough copies.

Is Mr W letting you out of his sight this season or will you still be by the car park gates ?

North Stand gates as usual as far as I know. I now have squatters rights on that spot.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 23, 2013, 02:55:24 PM
Seems I was a bit hasty in saying the new digital was available. Come back tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 23, 2013, 03:03:30 PM
Is it free? Dave charged himself two quid to see if the digital version was ready.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: andyaston on August 23, 2013, 03:36:45 PM
Don't forget to say hello when you buy from me. Please buy from me, Dave won't let me out of the cellar if I don't sell enough copies.

Is Mr W letting you out of his sight this season or will you still be by the car park gates ?

North Stand gates as usual as far as I know. I now have squatters rights on that spot.
Good luck with the drunken Dippers aplenty.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: eastie on August 23, 2013, 03:38:53 PM
Seems I was a bit hasty in saying the new digital was available. Come back tomorrow morning.

Will do, looking forward to it immensely - first edition of a new season , hopes , dreams and promises :)
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2013, 03:39:36 PM
Don't forget to say hello when you buy from me. Please buy from me, Dave won't let me out of the cellar if I don't sell enough copies.

Is Mr W letting you out of his sight this season or will you still be by the car park gates ?

North Stand gates as usual as far as I know. I now have squatters rights on that spot.
Good luck with the drunken Dippers aplenty.

Last time we played them I was selling there and they really did live up to the stereotypes. One was selling knockoff merch from a shopping trolley, a few more were selling the same kind of thing from sports bags and I had 2 Tarby types chirping away in my ear for a while. And nearly every coach of them that went past was from Wales.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Whiney MacWhineface on August 23, 2013, 04:17:33 PM
Seems I was a bit hasty in saying the new digital was available. Come back tomorrow morning.

It's there now.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: eastie on August 23, 2013, 05:20:30 PM
Seems I was a bit hasty in saying the new digital was available. Come back tomorrow morning.

It's there now.

Yes just had e mail from them - I look forward to an evenings reading .
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 23, 2013, 05:39:17 PM
Have the paper copy subs arrived yet?
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: mjlions on August 23, 2013, 09:20:15 PM
Not received mine yet
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: richl on August 23, 2013, 09:26:53 PM
Don't forget to say hello when you buy from me. Please buy from me, Dave won't let me out of the cellar if I don't sell enough copies.


Is Mr W letting you out of his sight this season or will you still be by the car park gates ?

North Stand gates as usual as far as I know. I now have squatters rights on that spot.

That was my old pitch  ;)
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2013, 10:01:07 PM
Not received mine yet

Can't believe you've deserted me mj.

(wipes away tear).
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2013, 10:02:40 PM
Don't forget to say hello when you buy from me. Please buy from me, Dave won't let me out of the cellar if I don't sell enough copies.


Is Mr W letting you out of his sight this season or will you still be by the car park gates ?

North Stand gates as usual as far as I know. I now have squatters rights on that spot.

That was my old pitch  ;)


Not such a great pitch when it rains as it's the only one with no cover.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: richl on August 23, 2013, 11:11:05 PM
Don't forget to say hello when you buy from me. Please buy from me, Dave won't let me out of the cellar if I don't sell enough copies.


Is Mr W letting you out of his sight this season or will you still be by the car park gates ?

North Stand gates as usual as far as I know. I now have squatters rights on that spot.

That was my old pitch  ;)


Not such a great pitch when it rains as it's the only one with no cover.

I think that's why it was my old pitch. Although I did 2 boxes once. I got promoted once to Mac's by the church, and occasionally the Trinity

You are just a pretender though lol, when you have done some of these aways ,Everton, Liverpool, Wigan, Burnley, West Ham, Blackburn (several bloody times), Doncaster, Man U, Man City, Bolton (again a few times), Chelsea, Spurs, Wrexham,  Leeds and Wolves then you own my spot lol  ;)
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2013, 11:27:24 PM
Well you can chalk Wigan off that list as I did that last year. So i'm getting there. Slowly!
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 24, 2013, 12:46:26 AM
Don't forget to say hello when you buy from me. Please buy from me, Dave won't let me out of the cellar if I don't sell enough copies.


Is Mr W letting you out of his sight this season or will you still be by the car park gates ?

North Stand gates as usual as far as I know. I now have squatters rights on that spot.

That was my old pitch  ;)


Not such a great pitch when it rains as it's the only one with no cover.

Apart from opposite the church (mine) and Trinity Road gates (Greg's).
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: eastie on August 24, 2013, 07:34:32 AM
Really enjoyed the interview with paul faulkner in this issue , he got off to a tough start but seems to have come through and is now looking much better in the role .
Very good article indeed.

Many other good pieces to read as well and I have spent a few hours checking out the issue - well worth the money.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on August 24, 2013, 09:13:00 AM
I will be purchasing mine from Mr W, part of my lucky pre-match routine.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Clampy on August 24, 2013, 09:15:08 AM
I'll no doubt buy one off somebody or another.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2013, 09:43:44 AM
Don't forget to say hello when you buy from me. Please buy from me, Dave won't let me out of the cellar if I don't sell enough copies.


Is Mr W letting you out of his sight this season or will you still be by the car park gates ?

North Stand gates as usual as far as I know. I now have squatters rights on that spot.

That was my old pitch  ;)


Not such a great pitch when it rains as it's the only one with no cover.

Apart from opposite the church (mine) and Trinity Road gates (Greg's).

Ahem...
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 24, 2013, 10:14:04 AM
Don't forget to say hello when you buy from me. Please buy from me, Dave won't let me out of the cellar if I don't sell enough copies.


Is Mr W letting you out of his sight this season or will you still be by the car park gates ?

North Stand gates as usual as far as I know. I now have squatters rights on that spot.

That was my old pitch  ;)


Not such a great pitch when it rains as it's the only one with no cover.

Apart from opposite the church (mine) and Trinity Road gates (Greg's).

Ahem...

I thought you were under the tree?
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: mjlions on August 24, 2013, 10:21:05 AM
Not received mine yet

Can't believe you've deserted me mj.

(wipes away tear).

Sorry changed parking spot last season and as a result missed a couple of copies due to not passing a seller. Decided to subscribe to ensure I didn't miss out and Mr W still got his money!
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Clampy on August 24, 2013, 10:29:35 AM
As I'll be walking past both Dave W and PWS, I've decided i'll buy off whoever shouts the loudest.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Legion on August 24, 2013, 10:37:52 AM
Don't forget to say hello when you buy from me. Please buy from me, Dave won't let me out of the cellar if I don't sell enough copies.


Is Mr W letting you out of his sight this season or will you still be by the car park gates ?

North Stand gates as usual as far as I know. I now have squatters rights on that spot.

That was my old pitch  ;)


Not such a great pitch when it rains as it's the only one with no cover.

Apart from opposite the church (mine) and Trinity Road gates (Greg's).

Ahem...

I thought you were under the tree?

Only when Greg sells.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: UK Redsox on August 24, 2013, 11:12:05 AM
As I'll be walking past both Dave W and PWS, I've decided i'll buy off whoever shouts the loudest.

Please say hello if Mr Shin appears to have a security guard with him.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Clampy on August 24, 2013, 11:18:55 AM
As I'll be walking past both Dave W and PWS, I've decided i'll buy off whoever shouts the loudest.

Please say hello if Mr Shin appears to have a security guard with him.

Bloody hell, I didn't realise he was that important.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2013, 11:22:02 AM
Don't forget to say hello when you buy from me. Please buy from me, Dave won't let me out of the cellar if I don't sell enough copies.


Is Mr W letting you out of his sight this season or will you still be by the car park gates ?

North Stand gates as usual as far as I know. I now have squatters rights on that spot.

That was my old pitch  ;)


Not such a great pitch when it rains as it's the only one with no cover.

Apart from opposite the church (mine) and Trinity Road gates (Greg's).

Isn't there a bus stop right by you? And Greg can walk 6 inches and be under the Trinity. Whereas poor me just has to stand there and get wet.

I hear violin music.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: UK Redsox on August 24, 2013, 12:14:26 PM
Quit yer bloody moaning. What do you want ? Someone to hold an umbrella over you like you're Tiger Woods ?

(http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/sport2009/golf/us_open_09/woods_umbrella_2.jpg)
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2013, 12:15:31 PM
Yes please Mr Sox, bring your brolly with you, just in case.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: UK Redsox on August 24, 2013, 12:16:47 PM
Yes please Mr Sox, bring your brolly with you, just in case.

If its that wet, I'll be in the Lions Club with villajk and DC5
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2013, 12:17:45 PM
Yes please Mr Sox, bring your brolly with you, just in case.

If its that wet, I'll be in the Lions Club with villajk and DC5

Some security guard you are!
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: DaveK on August 24, 2013, 02:01:24 PM
Have the paper copy subs arrived yet?

Mine arrived about an hour ago.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2013, 06:29:50 PM
I met DC5. he does really exist! Still not convinced Pauline does though. 
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: UK Redsox on August 24, 2013, 10:21:25 PM
Woo Hoo........ three of my lists in the "Fives" section. Take that Mr Shin !!
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2013, 08:23:06 PM
I met DC5. he does really exist! Still not convinced Pauline does though. 
I confess I am Pauline ....at weekends.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2013, 08:28:33 PM
After making the purchase from my usual seller (however he confused me by standing at gates of Trinity rather than his own tree) I was walking past players car park and saw Moyse walking towards Trinity. So quick as a snail I got to him with words "David can I have your autograph please?" And being a gentleman he signed the back cover and than read the caption and laughed!
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: GarTomas on August 27, 2013, 06:02:04 PM
Purchasing this on Saturday made me smile - especially since the vendor at the corner of North and DE stand at the time was having trouble explaining to a rather bewildered looking man that this was a fanzine and that's why it didn't look like the official programme.....
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 27, 2013, 06:14:35 PM
Right then, time for me to play at feedback from the great and good.

I wrote a few but I was most pleased with the Next Generation one. How did that go over?

I know I can moan until the cows come home about modern football but, to my mind, that one had a certain resonance that I was half happy with.

Also, what would you prefer to see in the mag as I am conscious I mostly write pissed off articles!

Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Clampy on August 27, 2013, 06:41:54 PM
I thought the Paul Faulkner interview was quite good but whoever wrote the John Terry rant wasn't horrible about him enough.

Not finished it all yet though.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 27, 2013, 07:56:30 PM
Bastard.....

PS Dave edited all the good stuff out re JT! Libellous apparently.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2013, 01:18:18 PM
Purchasing this on Saturday made me smile - especially since the vendor at the corner of North and DE stand at the time was having trouble explaining to a rather bewildered looking man that this was a fanzine and that's why it didn't look like the official programme.....

That would have been me. Dave sent us to night school to help us show politeness and patience to those kinds of twats. confused members of the public.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: UK Redsox on August 28, 2013, 01:53:34 PM
In order to purchase from either Mr Shin or Captain Chaos, people have to walk right past the "Official Programme" Huts. Yet some people still can't figure out that H&V isn't the same as the Official Programme.

People am stupid

Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2013, 01:58:32 PM
In order to purchase from either Mr Shin or Captain Chaos, people have to walk right past the "Official Programme" Huts. Yet some people still can't figure out that H&V isn't the same as the Official Programme.

People am stupid


The hut is a few feet to my left. And yet still they ask.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: clogger on August 28, 2013, 02:21:24 PM
We seem to have a new vendor this year- he was very grateful we stopped, said he was Percy's son and that he would have to go back up the chimney/down the mine if he didn't sell enough (or something like that anyway)  ;)
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: eastie on August 28, 2013, 02:47:17 PM
I started off buying from mr woodhall way back over 20 years ago and have never bought from anyone other than the great man - now though i prefer to download to my ipad .
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 28, 2013, 02:58:50 PM
We seem to have a new vendor this year- he was very grateful we stopped, said he was Percy's son and that he would have to go back up the chimney/down the mine if he didn't sell enough (or something like that anyway)  ;)

He signed Academy forms during the summer and had a late call-up to make his debut due to a seller being caught in traffic.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2013, 03:11:51 PM
We seem to have a new vendor this year- he was very grateful we stopped, said he was Percy's son and that he would have to go back up the chimney/down the mine if he didn't sell enough (or something like that anyway)  ;)

He signed Academy forms during the summer and had a late call-up to make his debut due to a seller being caught in traffic.

And another son works opposite me outside the church. We are the fanzine sellers' equivalent of the Moss family.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Legion on August 28, 2013, 04:04:11 PM
Not tonight he won't be. Happy Birthday, by the way.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2013, 04:11:14 PM
I'm selling in a new spot tonight. Which is nice.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 28, 2013, 04:25:41 PM
We seem to have a new vendor this year- he was very grateful we stopped, said he was Percy's son and that he would have to go back up the chimney/down the mine if he didn't sell enough (or something like that anyway)  ;)

He signed Academy forms during the summer and had a late call-up to make his debut due to a seller being caught in traffic.

And another son works opposite me outside the church. We are the fanzine sellers' equivalent of the Moss family.
Steady on!
;-)
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2013, 04:42:31 PM
Not tonight he won't be. Happy Birthday, by the way.

Thanks Lee. Isn't Kurtis working tonight then? I'm not, I'll be carousing with my wife instead. Will say hello if we walk that way.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2013, 05:59:26 PM
I'm at the ground, Dave believes Kurtis is selling.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: GarTomas on August 28, 2013, 08:40:23 PM
Purchasing this on Saturday made me smile - especially since the vendor at the corner of North and DE stand at the time was having trouble explaining to a rather bewildered looking man that this was a fanzine and that's why it didn't look like the official programme.....

That would have been me. Dave sent us to night school to help us show politeness and patience to those kinds of twats. confused members of the public.

It was so funny I'd swear it was put on for my entertainment.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2013, 08:47:30 PM
Tonight was a record for being asked id it was the programme   
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Legion on August 28, 2013, 10:47:39 PM
It's a fanzine. A fucking fanzine. How many times do you need to be told, Rotherham fans? Never known anything like it. One woman had to be told three times. Dear McGrath.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Clampy on August 28, 2013, 10:53:21 PM
I saw several Rotherham fans queing for a programme outside one of those kiosk things so a few of them knew where to buy one from.

Spotted PWS walking across the North Stand car park to his spot.

Also saw Dave W with about 4 people around him no doubt being asked if he was selling the programme.
Title: Re: H&V Issue 184
Post by: Damo70 on August 29, 2013, 12:21:38 PM
Tonight was a record for being asked id it was the programme

Are you sure you weren't deliberately confusing them by asking if they wanted a bag of back issues thrown in for a fiver or charging a fiver a throw because we were playing a lower division Northern team in a cup game? (Bradford reference for those who don't buy the programme. I have to buy one every game for my lad).
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