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Title: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: Rich6by7 on May 21, 2013, 12:39:09 PM
At least Garth sees what we see. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22574993)

Hopefully we'll have some defenders competing for places in that line-up next season.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: supertom on May 21, 2013, 12:41:44 PM
I've always liked Garth Crooks.  ;D
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: supertom on May 21, 2013, 12:43:59 PM
Guzan claimed more catches than any other keeper in the league. I figured as much. I like Brad. He's old school. He'd rather claim a ball than punch, and he's not glued to his line like a lot of keepers now.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2013, 12:55:08 PM
Guzan claimed more catches than any other keeper in the league. I figured as much. I like Brad. He's old school. He'd rather claim a ball than punch, and he's not glued to his line like a lot of keepers now.

He's just in total control of his box. He's like a Mother Superior.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 21, 2013, 12:59:18 PM
Good old Pingu, never had a bad word to say about him, honest.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: neo_Villan on May 21, 2013, 01:27:31 PM
He ruins his credibility a bit though by saying we avoided relegation thanks to the presence of Ron Vlaar.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2013, 01:29:38 PM
He ruins his credibility a bit though by saying we avoided relegation thanks to the presence of Ron Vlaar though.

Yeah, I did an eyebrow raise at that as well.

Does Crooks actually watch much football, I wonder?
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 21, 2013, 01:33:38 PM
He ruins his credibility a bit though by saying we avoided relegation thanks to the presence of Ron Vlaar though.

Yeah, I did an eyebrow raise at that as well.

Does Crooks actually watch much football, I wonder?

I really don't think he does. As I don't have Sky I watch Final Score, he talks absolute crap most of the time. Staggeringly clueless.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: DerHammer on May 21, 2013, 01:37:40 PM
His attention to detail is shocking though, he says we have relied on the defensive capabilities of Ron Vlaar & Sebastion Bassong?-grade A bellend

scrap that-I misread that part  :-[
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: not3bad on May 21, 2013, 02:04:39 PM
Our improvement did coincide with Vlaar's return.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: newtonsballs on May 21, 2013, 02:24:33 PM
Our improvement did coincide with Vlaar's return.

I agree. Its his presence and leadership that makes him useful. I'm sure he knows as well as we do that he's no McGrath.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: bilsim on May 21, 2013, 02:36:05 PM
Guzan claimed more catches than any other keeper in the league. I figured as much. I like Brad. He's old school. He'd rather claim a ball than punch, and he's not glued to his line like a lot of keepers now.

He's just in total control of his box. He's like a Mother Superior.

This is clearly the part of his game that has developed in the past year, because before then he was very unsure of when to stay and when to come. The 4 goals conceded against Blackburn in the semi final are proof of this. He looks to be very confident in his game and it's a real shame the clean sheet record is so poor which may reflect badly on him to outsiders.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 21, 2013, 02:36:53 PM
He ruins his credibility a bit though by saying we avoided relegation thanks to the presence of Ron Vlaar though.

Yeah, I did an eyebrow raise at that as well.

Does Crooks actually watch much football, I wonder?

I doubt it. The morning after we beat Sunderland 6-1 he picked his team of the week and overlooked Lowton who had turned in one of the best full back performances I'd seen in years in favour of some Albion right back. He'd obviously not bothered to see our game.

Apparently his choice of centre half for his all time Man Utd Fergie XI was interesting too - Bryan Robson.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2013, 02:49:34 PM
I'm convinced there is a lot more to come from Ron Vlaar. He needs a strong player next to him so he can concentrate on his game as opposed to baby sitting a CB and LB that are mistake prone. I think it has affected his game. He's a good leader and you can see he commands respect but he's not good enough on his own to make up for his own deficiencies as well as those around him.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: Deano's Mullet on May 21, 2013, 02:57:13 PM
Robbie "Wanker" Savage was scoffing at this on Football Focus on Sunday saying the two players were on a team nearly relegated and Garth responded by saying that Savage had predicted 100% we would be relegated. It was a getting a bit tasty before the presenter stepped into intervene and change topics. Good old Garth.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2013, 02:59:57 PM
Robbie Savage and Attention Seeking Penis work well together in the same sentence
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: neo_Villan on May 21, 2013, 03:15:59 PM
Our improvement did coincide with Vlaar's return.
Actually it coincided with us changing from 3-5-2 back to 4-3-3. Your argument would only carry weight if our upturn was down to our defensive record. Which it obviously wasn't.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2013, 03:25:14 PM
He ruins his credibility a bit though by saying we avoided relegation thanks to the presence of Ron Vlaar though.

Yeah, I did an eyebrow raise at that as well.

Does Crooks actually watch much football, I wonder?

Yes bit of a surpise that, although it should be noted for all his frailties the awful run we went through over the Christmas period was when Vlaar was out of the team.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2013, 03:26:11 PM
I'm convinced there is a lot more to come from Ron Vlaar. He needs a strong player next to him so he can concentrate on his game as opposed to baby sitting a CB and LB that are mistake prone. I think it has affected his game. He's a good leader and you can see he commands respect but he's not good enough on his own to make up for his own deficiencies as well as those around him.

I agree.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: curiousorange on May 22, 2013, 12:25:37 AM
I find Crooks most amusing on Final Score. He's so intense. Plus one day, his shirt is going to collapse under the strain, and his gut will spring out and envelop that desk between him and Gabby Logan.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2013, 12:20:41 PM
I actually get the point about Vlaar, I think he's a big part of the reason that, since the new year, we've developed a bit more steel and stopped looking like a goal against us was going to lead to a complete collapse.  Yes we've conceded more than we'd like, a lot from errors, but we've been battle hardened since Vlaar has come back, I think he's done a good job as captain in a difficult season.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: ktvillan on May 22, 2013, 01:39:14 PM
I like the fact that you can generally rely on Guzan to come and claim crosses although he almost gifted Norwich an equalizer recently when misjudging one.   I've started having some doubts about his shot stopping though - there's been one or two where I've thought his reflexes were a bit on the slow side and that maybe Given would have stopped them.   But he's a better all round keeper than Given.   

As for Joe Hart, he must be the most overrated keeper since Shilton turned 35.   Lacks agility, not the best reflexes, fumbles plenty of crosses, and prone to needless errors.  Ben Foster should walk into the England team ahead of him.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2013, 03:34:09 PM
On a related note, if Lawros predictions had been correct we would have finished 19th with 27 points.
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: VillaAlways on May 22, 2013, 03:41:57 PM
On a related note, if Lawros predictions had been correct we would have finished 19th with 27 points.
And QPR 8th on 56 points.Did it not ever click with him that QPR were utter crap
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2013, 11:41:06 PM
Robbie "Wanker" Savage was scoffing at this on Football Focus on Sunday saying the two players were on a team nearly relegated and Garth responded by saying that Savage had predicted 100% we would be relegated. It was a getting a bit tasty before the presenter stepped into intervene and change topics. Good old Garth.

Yeah I saw that too. As we've seen elsewhere Savage just loves having digs at us. It was only two season ago after all West Ham were relegated and Scott Parker won player of the year!
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: rob_bridge on May 24, 2013, 04:15:33 PM
I like the fact that you can generally rely on Guzan to come and claim crosses although he almost gifted Norwich an equalizer recently when misjudging one.   I've started having some doubts about his shot stopping though - there's been one or two where I've thought his reflexes were a bit on the slow side and that maybe Given would have stopped them.   But he's a better all round keeper than Given.   

As for Joe Hart, he must be the most overrated keeper since Shilton turned 35.   Lacks agility, not the best reflexes, fumbles plenty of crosses, and prone to needless errors.  Ben Foster should walk into the England team ahead of him.

Agree - a string of good games and Hart as he is English he must be World Class. Load of hyped up bollards.
Shilts was passed his best by about 1984-5 so agree there.
Seaman other than Euro 96 was not great for England probably because the defence was not as good as Arse's
Don't think Foster is any better than Hart  if truth be told

Guzan better than both
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: olaftab on May 25, 2013, 09:50:49 AM
He's just in total control of his box. He's like a Mother Superior.
But she has never ever caught anything ;)
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: olaftab on May 25, 2013, 10:00:25 AM
Not sure if Yaya Toure should be in that team but can't think who else could replace him other than Delph!
Title: Re: Guzan and Benteke in Crooks's team of the season
Post by: OCD on May 25, 2013, 06:30:35 PM
Not sure if Yaya Toure should be in that team but can't think who else could replace him other than Delph!

Maybe they could if it were team of the last 2 months.
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