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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: adam#1 on May 15, 2013, 04:15:27 PM
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Just to say absolutely horrified at the sick Tweet some supposed Villa fan sent Savage about his Dad.
That kind of offensive behaviour should be considered a criminal offence, and if the guy who tweeted is a member here I hope they get banned (but presumably they're too scared; will hide behind a pseudonym rather than having the guts to come forward and apologise for their behaviour). If they are a season ticket holder I also hope the club find out who they are and ban them for life.
There is no place for this kind of personalised sick taunting ever, and I hate that the lowlife who posted it is linked to our club.
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Twitter, the battleground of the stupid and cowardly.
As for Savage, i'd love to join in with the "I hate him" camp, but I don't, as to hate him i'd actually have to care about him.
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I can't say i'm a big fan of the bloke really but there's always some idiots around. That's twitter for you sometimes.
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Unfortunately every club seems to have a mindless minority who get kicks out of such things. I've seen Birmingham and Rangers fans wishing death on Petrov (while the vast majority have been sympathetic).
I'm not on Twitter, but I'm sure those of you that are can reassure Mr Savage that the moron in question does not represent the views of the rest of us.
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Probably just some daft kid.
I'm sure Savage will milk it though.
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I can't say i'm a big fan of the bloke really but there's always some idiots around. That's twitter for you sometimes.
Indeed there are clampy!
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The great thing about this site is that pondlife, when they do occasionally surface, are frightened off by a combination of good grammar, spelling and reasoned argument.
Except for threads about Thatcher of course.
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I can't say i'm a big fan of the bloke really but there's always some idiots around. That's twitter for you sometimes.
Indeed there are clampy!
Indeed!
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Unfortunately every club seems to have a mindless minority who get kicks out of such things. I've seen Birmingham and Rangers fans wishing death on Petrov (while the vast majority have been sympathetic).
I'm not on Twitter, but I'm sure those of you that are can reassure Mr Savage that the moron in question does not represent the views of the rest of us.
Not heard anything about this message but i think savage is worth following on twitter - he's mellowed with age and any comments made about his father are well out of order - hopefully the culprit can be traced.
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What exactly did the tweet say?
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Freedom of speech is a bit too free these days.
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Savage has been stoking it though. Say things that he knew would generate a reaction, waiting for the first stupid response and then using it to generalise all Villa fans. Still a twunt of the highest order.
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Savage is an idiot, so are the so called fans that bite when he stoked it up. Not that it's justified but he knew he would get a reaction by posting what he did (something along the lines of Villa were celebrating a European Cup in the past and now they are celebrating staying up). File him alongside Barton as wanting to be in the limelight...
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What exactly did the tweet say?
Just checked -
@RobbieSavage8: Actually it was very peaceful RT @ajavfc: @RobbieSavage8 i hope your dad had a painful death
Distasteful and totally uncalled for , whatever you think of him.
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That is very poor behaviour. Although, its not a criminal offence to be an idiot.
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Oh dear, that's not good.
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What's this got to do with Villa?
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What's this got to do with Villa?
The Tweet was by a Villa fan, to someone who was talking about the Villa.
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Is there any point to Twitter, other than to give 2nd rate rags cheap headlines?
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Before I make my point I should emphasise that I in no way condone such a horribly offensive comment. One look at the profile of the so called 'fan' reveals he is an inarticulate, vapid fool.
However, upon reading Savage's provocative comments towards Villa throughout the day, particularly the following: 'Must say well done to villa for staying up once, winning European cups now celebrating survival in premier league ! Well done' it was evident that some moron was going to take the bait. Unfortunately, this reflects badly on us all. The best policy with Savageclown is to ignore him.
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Seems savage said his best moment of the season was seeing bradford beat villa - still there is no excuse for such cowardly and insensitive behaviour - i hope the culprit is outed and shamed.
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This isn't reflective of Villa fans. It's just one person being a tool.
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What's this got to do with Villa?
The Tweet was by a Villa fan, to someone who was talking about the Villa.
what did Savage say about Villa?
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Savage is like the Albion, desperate for someone to care about them and realised that trying to wind up Villa fans is the best way. Ignore them and they will soon go away.
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He ought to know better than to tweet things like that to be honest. It's as if he wants a reaction and he's got it. Not big or clever by either side really.
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Savage is like the Albion, desperate for someone to care about them and realised that trying to wind up Villa fans is the best way. Ignore them and they will soon go away.
Is the right answer.
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Is there any point to Twitter, other than to give 2nd rate rags cheap headlines?
It can be a good thing if used respectfully - i have had exchanges with the likes of paul McGrath, Brian little , gabby Logan, and many others and it is a way for fans to directly correspond with people they otherwise wouldn't have access to- as clampy rightly says though there will always be idiots who spoil it for the decent majority.
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Full story from the Meaning Evil:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-birmingham-city-star-robbie-3818014
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He ought to know better than to tweet things like that to be honest. It's as if he wants a reaction and he's got it. Not big or clever by either side really.
He's a football pundit and he made a remark about football.
If people are unable to read that without wishing death upon his family, they really are pathetic twats.
A far better response would've been "yes Robbie, we did avoid relegation. What does it feel like?".
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He ought to know better than to tweet things like that to be honest. It's as if he wants a reaction and he's got it. Not big or clever by either side really.
He's a football pundit and he made a remark about football.
If people are unable to read that without wishing death upon his family, they really are pathetic twats.
A far better response would've been "yes Robbie, we did avoid relegation. What does it feel like?".
Some people are not that clever though are they?
Let's face it, what he got tweeted was horrific and whilst i would'nt go so far to say he was asking for it, knowing he's not popular with Villa fans, it was'nt a very constructive thing to write.
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He ought to know better than to tweet things like that to be honest. It's as if he wants a reaction and he's got it. Not big or clever by either side really.
He's a football pundit and he made a remark about football.
If people are unable to read that without wishing death upon his family, they really are pathetic twats.
A far better response would've been "yes Robbie, we did avoid relegation. What does it feel like?".
He wasn't a remark about football, in reality it was a dig at the Villa and he was looking for a reaction and he got one.
He's a typical agent provocateur.
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He ought to know better than to tweet things like that to be honest. It's as if he wants a reaction and he's got it. Not big or clever by either side really.
He's a football pundit and he made a remark about football.
If people are unable to read that without wishing death upon his family, they really are pathetic twats.
A far better response would've been "yes Robbie, we did avoid relegation. What does it feel like?".
Some people are not that clever though are they?
Let's face it, what he got tweeted was horrific and whilst i would'nt go so far to say he was asking for it, knowing he's not popular with Villa fans, it was'nt a very constructive thing to write.
As savage has just said hes had banter with a few villa fans , and we give and take but this is not banter - its crossed the line and is cowardly and pathetic .
THe thing with typing comments on here , twitter or elsewhere is its hard to tell whether the comments are made in jest or jokingly and the context things are said - and people sometimes react in a totally unjust way .
I'm sure savage was winding up a few fans with his comments but as he says it was banter - not nasty .
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He ought to know better than to tweet things like that to be honest. It's as if he wants a reaction and he's got it. Not big or clever by either side really.
He's a football pundit and he made a remark about football.
If people are unable to read that without wishing death upon his family, they really are pathetic twats.
A far better response would've been "yes Robbie, we did avoid relegation. What does it feel like?".
Some people are not that clever though are they?
Let's face it, what he got tweeted was horrific and whilst i would'nt go so far to say he was asking for it, knowing he's not popular with Villa fans, it was'nt a very constructive thing to write.
As savage has just said hes had banter with a few villa fans , and we give and take but this is not banter - its crossed the line and is cowardly and pathetic .
He loves the attention.
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He's a bit of an eejit but overall Savage is alright as a pundit. It's a bit embarassing hearing most of the Villa callers on 606 ringing in specifically to ask Savage to apologise for his prediction that we'd be relegated.
He gave a fair opinion and was nearly right. Harping on about it makes him seem more important.
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Whatever Savage is, does or says is not the point. Whoever sent that tweet is a scumbag and well, well out of order. There's no place in society for this type of behaviour.
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Whatever Savage is, does or says is not the point. Whoever sent that tweet is a scumbag and well, well out of order. There's no place in society for this type of behaviour.
Very true .
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He's a dreadful pundit. He's just the latest Ian Wright. Hopefully the BBC will come to their senses and get rid of Savage like they did with Wright.
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He did also say after the comment about his dad that 'Villa fans are showing their true colours'...thus painting us all with the same brush. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever and him being nutted by Dublin is still one of my all-time favorite Villa memories.
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He's a dreadful pundit. He's just the latest Ian Wright. Hopefully the BBC will come to their senses and get rid of Savage like they did with Wright.
That is your opinion - there are other who rate savage highly , there are many worse pundits than Robbie savage .
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He's a shit pundit I think. More suited to Talk Sport than the Beeb. He talks like a muppet too.
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He did also say after the comment about his dad that 'Villa fans are showing their true colours'...thus painting us all with the same brush. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever and him being nutted by Dublin is still one of my all-time favorite Villa memories.
@RobbieSavage8: I should have said minority of villa fans showing real class today , majority have gave me some banter which is fine !
@RobbieSavage8: There's a few who let the rest down !
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He's a dreadful pundit. He's just the latest Ian Wright. Hopefully the BBC will come to their senses and get rid of Savage like they did with Wright.
That is your opinion - there are other who rate savage highly , there are many worse pundits than Robbie savage .
I don't think there's anyone quite as bad as Savage as a pundit. Even the morons on TalkRubbish are more eloquent than he is.
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He did also say after the comment about his dad that 'Villa fans are showing their true colours'...thus painting us all with the same brush. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever and him being nutted by Dublin is still one of my all-time favorite Villa memories.
@RobbieSavage8: I should have said minority of villa fans showing real class today , majority have gave me some banter which is fine !
@RobbieSavage8: There's a few who let the rest down !
Oh...fair enough then.
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I think the word banter may stop me following football one day.
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I think the word banter may stop me following football one day.
What about Bants? (puke)
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I think Savage is a decent pundit to be fair. He made a bold call in predicting us to go down and lets face it, he wasn't far off. I've also read some of his other articles on the Beeb and they are pretty spot-on. I'm more upset with the Beeb trying to groom Michael Owen to become a permanent fixture on MOTD. He makes Claridge and Rosenior on the Football League show seem insightful and interesting!
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Nobody should be in the least surprised at yet another tawdry example of twattery in the twattosphere.
I once witnessed Mr. Savage coming under a sustained volley of "bants" from a group of Villa fans near the Mailbox, and he was laughing his head off.
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Savage is a wind up merchant who invites abuse and can't complain when he gets it. When it comes to that sort of thing everyone draws their own line as to what is acceptable. But the comments made in this instance have crossed the line so much and are totally unacceptable to any decent person.
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Savage was an idiot and wind up merchant on the pitch and he's just the same off it. Not excusing the response, it was pathetic, but his intention from the outset here was to get a reaction.
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Savage was an idiot and wind up merchant on the pitch and he's just the same off it. Not excusing the response, it was pathetic, but his intention from the outset here was to get a reaction.
Spot on Chris.
B-lose players and fans only feel important when their world collides with Villa, so it's easy to see why they strive to make it happen whenever possible.
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He is the individual equivalent to Coventry. Through his journeyman career of Crewe, Leicester, Blues, Blackburn, Derby and Brighton he had to find a club to dislike and picked us. He was the panto villain while he was at blues and then we stopped caring when he left. If anything we quite liked him for shitting on them. Since then he likes to poke us every so often to remind us he still exists.
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He did also say after the comment about his dad that 'Villa fans are showing their true colours'...thus painting us all with the same brush. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever and him being nutted by Dublin is still one of my all-time favorite Villa memories.
He did also say after the comment about his dad that 'Villa fans are showing their true colours'...thus painting us all with the same brush. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever and him being nutted by Dublin is still one of my all-time favorite Villa memories.
My all-time favourite Villa memories include winning trophies, great games and pieces of sublime skill. They don't include moments when we sunk to their level.
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Beat me to it.
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BBC MOTD football analysis.
I know I'm missing shrewd, perceptive, insightful and discerning technical discussions, but I just can't help using the mute button when Robbie appears.
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A cock.
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Fuck him anyway. The stupid, pikey gobshite.
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He doesn't bother me in the slightest any more.
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Savage was an idiot and wind up merchant on the pitch and he's just the same off it. Not excusing the response, it was pathetic, but his intention from the outset here was to get a reaction.
Spot on. It is a nasty thing to say back, but it was exactly what he was fishing for, and immediately ran to the moral high ground claiming foul, as he used to with the ref when someone had enough and kicked him. He is a vile specimen, and unfortunately someone said something he could bleat to all and sundry about.
I see the Chelsea fan wishing Petrov a painful death has not been done yet. Or is this worse because Savage has a big mouth? All clubs have idiot fans that will snap and say horrible things when their little anger light goes off.
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It has been. See the Petrov thread and our FB page.
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I think Savage is a decent pundit to be fair. He made a bold call in predicting us to go down and lets face it, he wasn't far off. I've also read some of his other articles on the Beeb and they are pretty spot-on. I'm more upset with the Beeb trying to groom Michael Owen to become a permanent fixture on MOTD. He makes Claridge and Rosenior on the Football League show seem insightful and interesting!
MichaelOwen , you cant believe they have him on. After the dross of shearer , lawrenson and co and the excellent Gary Neville on sky I have seen , you would think they would not go down that awful drab route again.
but thats the BBC for you , a bit like the FA
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Not read it sorry Leg....
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Why give this stuff the oxygen of publicity? Robbie Savage made his point in a dignified and not inflammatory way. Idiots won't listen to voices of reason and instead thrive on the attention that their shocking behaviour generates
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He ought to know better than to tweet things like that to be honest. It's as if he wants a reaction and he's got it. Not big or clever by either side really.
He's a football pundit and he made a remark about football.
If people are unable to read that without wishing death upon his family, they really are pathetic twats.
A far better response would've been "yes Robbie, we did avoid relegation. What does it feel like?".
He wasn't a remark about football, in reality it was a dig at the Villa and he was looking for a reaction and he got one.
He's a typical agent provocateur.
Which is typical Savage, ain't it? You know what to expect!
I'm sure this idiot was likely to have posted provocative comments towards the blue few regarding them buying tickets for Wigan on Sunday, much like I did. I wonder what reaction he would have made if someone mentioned his own family or Petrov?
The thing is, Savage loves a bit of banter, he was probably there pissing himself at the reactions until that one. Much like Stan Collymore posted to blose, olbeyun and wolves last night, its all banter and there to provoke a reaction.
And to be fair, Savage was getting stick from Villa fans the second the 3rd Arsenal goal went in.
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Savage is a parody at times, as we all know, but wishing death on his family is a bit far too put it mildly, but the pots calling the kettle black here `cos i went a bit far with Terry on saturday, felt bad about it ever since, there`s hope for me yet!!.
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Savage will have posted his dig at Villa to get a response, and he got one, but he then did not have to re-tweet the worst responses. No-one would have seen them unless he re-tweeted them. He was looking for some idiots to respond like the pond-life we all know they are so he could re-tweet them to create even more controversy and get more publicity.
Cabbage knew exactly what he was doing, he is very internet savvy.
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When I hear Robbie Savage on 606, his journalistic style puts me in mind of Jeremy Kyle. The guests/callers might be low life at times, but the patronising/provocative way the hosts speak to their core audience makes me want them to be on the receiving end of a smack in the face.
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When I hear Robbie Savage on 606, his journalistic style puts me in mind of Jeremy Kyle. The guests/callers might be low life at times, but the patronising/provocative way the hosts speak to their core audience makes me want them to be on the receiving end of a smack in the face.
he is awful with superficial knowledge about most teams , and i hate the way we have to listen to their feet under the table banter with fletchy and alike grrrr
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Savage is a wind up merchant, nothing more. Just as he was as a player (see also Dennis Wise) - they loved nothing more than being the villain and the attention it brings. We seem to have a large number of fans who just don't get this concept and get wound up by it...rather like old women used to with baddies at the wrestling.
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Don't let the bants get your pants in a twist.
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He's a twat!
Let him be a twat and show the world he's a twat.
Not responding to his wanky tweets is the best way to respond.
He does it to get a response.
He got one that he doesn't like.
Tough!
No one forced him to tweet the original tweet!
He did it out of choice and as soon as you make it public it's everybody's business.
And he knows it.
As far as Savage is concerned - mission accomplished!
Wanker!
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There once was a man named Robbie
Turns out he's rather gobby
As a player he was shit
No better as a pundit
And he has a face like a curry morning jobbie
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Feel free to shoot me, I actually think he's likeable. Nothing he's said about villa has had any significance.
He's no brain but I quite enjoy his experiences of football and I think he was 'unlucky' with his Villa relegation prediction.
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I can't stand him. Not because of his football days, just because he's crap. What the BBC were thinking when they hired him, I've no idea. Watching him on Football Focus you soon realise he's clueless, he has nothing to say and just stands there, gives a pathetic comment or two but like Lawrenson, he just looks bored and would rather be somewhere else.
It's obviously easy money but rather than build a career as a TV pundit, he seems to take it all for granted. Whilst I never liked Gary Neville as a player, I have nothing but admiration for him as a broadcaster. He's intelligent, he justifies and explains clearly his thinking; the complete opposite of Savage.
The only reason I can think of as to why he's employed by the BBC is they must have a Welsh quota and he was the only ex-player willing to take the job. The BBC of old would soon have moved him on with his ridiculous, pathetic tweets but for whatever reason, they prefer ex-players that have the knowledge and personality of a slug.
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The BBC want Savage to provoke controversy. It works.
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Savage hasn't said anything that hasn't been said on here,
I know its different on here because were all family,
but if your commenting on football or even just tweeting, everything and I mean everthing you say could be argued that it there to cause controversy, you can take nearly everything two ways
I've no time for Savage, I didn't like him as a player, and think he is a very average pundit, but I don't mind him having a bit of 'banter' about the Villa, its all very harmless
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I think the word banter may stop me following football one day.
Along with the phrase "bragging rights."
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I think the word banter may stop me following football one day.
Along with the phrase "bragging rights."
What about bants?
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I think the word banter may stop me following football one day.
Along with the phrase "bragging rights."
What about bants?
Oh come on! Get with the kids (not in Operation Yew Tree kind of way!). It's spelled bantz, and must be preceded with #!
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Savage is a superficial, shallow, z-list celebrity troll, with very little of quality to say about football at all.
He's the human equivalent of The Sun "news"paper.
That said, the offensive tweet was stupid and may come back to haunt the tweeter.
I remember when email was first introduced where I used to work, we were instructed to be careful what we wrote,
as it could one day be read out in court. That surely means even more now, with the advent of socila networking.
Slighty OT, my favourite TV soccer pundit moment was Boxing Day 2009, in Singapore, watching a live Premier league game.
The English presenter and his two ex-footballer pundits were dressed for the occasion, the presenter as Santa and his
pundits as elves. So there, talking utter b*ll*cks, dressed in the kit he should always have worn -an elf costume- was
Carlton Palmer.
All this 'banter' reminds me of the Monty Python RAF banter sketch.
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Savage is a superficial, shallow, z-list celebrity troll, with very little of quality to say about football at all.
He's the human equivalent of The Sun "news"paper.
That said, the offensive tweet was stupid and may come back to haunt the tweeter.
I remember when email was first introduced where I used to work, we were instructed to be careful what we wrote,
as it could one day be read out in court. That surely means even more now, with the advent of socila networking.
Slighty OT, my favourite TV soccer pundit moment was Boxing Day 2009, in Singapore, watching a live Premier league game.
The English presenter and his two ex-footballer pundits were dressed for the occasion, the presenter as Santa and his
pundits as elves. So there, talking utter b*ll*cks, dressed in the kit he should always have worn -an elf costume- was
Carlton Palmer.
All this 'banter' reminds me of the Monty Python RAF banter sketch.
Nice first post Weedy. Looks like you live shouting distance from me!