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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on April 08, 2013, 09:45:53 PM
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Is what I could see Darren Bent mouthing to Lowton when celebrating the goal. I know he has his detractors on here but I think it sums up the team spirit and togetherness at the club that Bent looked genuinely chuffed for Lowton.
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I know he's been injured and its as much to do with the form of Benteke, but I like how the Bent unhappy stories have died out too. Other players in our recent past would've been a lot more vocal in the press.
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No point in starting a thread on this and in any case Bent has contributed f all in our season of need.
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I was going to post something similar. After the mess in the papers about Bent and the hoohaa about him not being picked, it has gone very quiet from his side. I'm not sure whether he has decided to just stick it out or has realised that he is still part of the a team, but whatever happens, I can still see him leaving. Who would have thought in August that Bent would be fourth/fifth choice striker?
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Who would have thought in August that Bent would be fourth/fifth choice striker?
Yep, I can't imagine what was going through his head when the team was announced for Saturday, we had four strikers in the starting line up, he wasn't one of them, but someone who less than 12 months ago was playing for Chesterfield in the 4th division was.
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I dont want us to lay into bent after all he was great in that side with young and downing.
Unfortunately for him he just isnt the type of play that fits into lamberts style of play.
It happens he isnt the first and he wont be the last.
I think he has finally accepted that his days are numbered but how could you have any other reaction to a goal like that
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If Bent is fit and his attitude is good then he'll offer us another option in the run in so that good news as far as I can see.
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I hope he does get (and finishes) the chance to sign off in a flourish that guarantees our survival.
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have you noticed that he's been replaced on motd opening credits by benteke ?
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I like bent. feel he's been a victim of necessity, i.e lambert would sell him given the chance so he's done everything to unsettle him.
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Who would have thought in August that Bent would be fourth/fifth choice striker?
Yep, I can't imagine what was going through his head when the team was announced for Saturday, we had four strikers in the starting line up, he wasn't one of them, but someone who less than 12 months ago was playing for Chesterfield in the 4th division was.
The realisation probably kicked in later that day when he saw he had been removed from the MOTD opening sequence before the season has even finished. As I have said previously, it is a shame it has ended this way with Bent, but it is just a case of square pegs, round holes. Never has and never will fit into Lambert's system.
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I think Lambert will sell him as he does not fit in with our style of play any-more. We need 11 workers on the pitch and can't see Bent ahead of any of the current three at the moment. I would definitely say that Lambert asserted his authority at the club after Bent mouthed off at the papers but everytime we tried to get him into the team he then picked up an injury.
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Bent is a professional.
That said, I'd imagine he's pretty pissed off with the way things have gone this season and imagine he'll look to move on in the summer.
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I like bent. feel he's been a victim of necessity, i.e lambert would sell him given the chance so he's done everything to unsettle him.
Seems like you're hunting for a bit of a conspiracy to me. Benteke is ahead of him on merit, anyone who can't see that must be mad. Once that's established can you see anyway to play how Lambert is lining us up where Bent can fit in? Wide left in place of Gabby, or right in place of Weimann? Can't see him doing much in either role, behind the front linking things up with the midfield?
He is a victim of circumstance in that he wasn't fully fit at the start of the season and was struggling for form and the guy who came in for him has been our best player in most of the games since. On top of that whenever we've been struggling a bit and could've done with bringing him in he's had a niggle and not been available.
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I like bent. feel he's been a victim of necessity, i.e lambert would sell him given the chance so he's done everything to unsettle him.
Seems like you're hunting for a bit of a conspiracy to me. Benteke is ahead of him on merit, anyone who can't see that must be mad. Once that's established can you see anyway to play how Lambert is lining us up where Bent can fit in? Wide left in place of Gabby, or right in place of Weimann? Can't see him doing much in either role, behind the front linking things up with the midfield?
He is a victim of circumstance in that he wasn't fully fit at the start of the season and was struggling for form and the guy who came in for him has been our best player in most of the games since. On top of that whenever we've been struggling a bit and could've done with bringing him in he's had a niggle and not been available.
nah i didn't mean it in an anti-lambchop way. He's just on massive money and is (was?) transfer-fee wise, a suitable player to offload given our squad and finances. I think he's suit lamberts system as much as the next guy, but he's 29 and that doesn't fit into Aston Villa 2013.
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We'll talk about that goal with the same fondness as Ashley Young's last minute winner at Everton I suspect.
<Calling Legion>
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I hope he does get (and finishes) the chance to sign off in a flourish that guarantees our survival.
The winner against Sunderland would be nice.
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I like Bent and I loved his obvious joy at Lowtons goal. Bent will help us yet gents. A good player who will fight his way back into the starting line up. We should be happy to have such competition for the forward spaces.
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I like Bent and I loved his obvious joy at Lowtons goal. Bent will help us yet gents. A good player who will fight his way back into the starting line up. We should be happy to have such competition for the forward spaces.
I like bent too- his goals saved us a couple of years back and he is a quality goalscorer- I think he will move on in the summer if we keep benteke , and if so i will wish him well.
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I like Bent and I loved his obvious joy at Lowtons goal. Bent will help us yet gents. A good player who will fight his way back into the starting line up. We should be happy to have such competition for the forward spaces.
Agreed. Like someone said on here yesterday, if there's an injury to Benteke or one of the others, then it's a hell of a player to have come in. As long has he's happy to fight for his place then i'd keep him.
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I like Bent and I loved his obvious joy at Lowtons goal. Bent will help us yet gents. A good player who will fight his way back into the starting line up. We should be happy to have such competition for the forward spaces.
I like bent too- his goals saved us a couple of years back and he is a quality goalscorer- I think he will move on in the summer if we keep benteke , and if so i will wish him well.
I'm not confident we'll keep Benteke.
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I like Bent and I loved his obvious joy at Lowtons goal. Bent will help us yet gents. A good player who will fight his way back into the starting line up. We should be happy to have such competition for the forward spaces.
I like bent too- his goals saved us a couple of years back and he is a quality goalscorer- I think he will move on in the summer if we keep benteke , and if so i will wish him well.
Darren Bent has scored 124 Premier League goals. At this present time everything appears hunky dory. Benteke/Weimann and even Agbonlahor (remarkably) are scoring goals so he doesnt matter.
But he might do.
If we go down it is accepted that Benteke will move on.Weimann might as well. If we stay up once again the money boys will come racing in for Benteke straight away with the offer of riches beyond his dreams which will set him up for life at the age of 22.
He has the choice of a wage increase at Villa Park that will be substantial or a wage increase ,at say ,Man City that would be astronomical.
What would you do?
Which leaves us without a goal scoring centre forward .Except we have one! Lambert only has to find a winger in the Aaron Lennon mould who can cross a ball at pace and Bent will get on the end of it.
Lambert (who is flavour of the month at the moment) will not do this and therefore he will play..
Jordan Bowery at centre forward a limited fourth division player who works hard.
Only my opinion but I think Lambert is poor tactically and wants our club to mirror how he had Norwich playing that is a mid table club like Fulham who sometimes look better than what they actually are.
The summer break will be interesting!
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I like Bent and I loved his obvious joy at Lowtons goal. Bent will help us yet gents. A good player who will fight his way back into the starting line up. We should be happy to have such competition for the forward spaces.
I like bent too- his goals saved us a couple of years back and he is a quality goalscorer- I think he will move on in the summer if we keep benteke , and if so i will wish him well.
Darren Bent has scored 124 Premier League goals. At this present time everything appears hunky dory. Benteke/Weimann and even Agbonlahor (remarkably) are scoring goals so he doesnt matter.
But he might do.
If we go down it is accepted that Benteke will move on.Weimann might as well. If we stay up once again the money boys will come racing in for Benteke straight away with the offer of riches beyond his dreams which will set him up for life at the age of 22.
He has the choice of a wage increase at Villa Park that will be substantial or a wage increase ,at say ,Man City that would be astronomical.
What would you do?
Which leaves us without a goal scoring centre forward .Except we have one! Lambert only has to find a winger in the Aaron Lennon mould who can cross a ball at pace and Bent will get on the end of it.
Lambert (who is flavour of the month at the moment) will not do this and therefore he will play..
Jordan Bowery at centre forward a limited fourth division player who works hard.
Only my opinion but I think Lambert is poor tactically and wants our club to mirror how he had Norwich playing that is a mid table club like Fulham who sometimes look better than what they actually are.
The summer break will be interesting!
The transfer thread will be a wonderful place to be this summer ;)
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This is getting very tired. Bent can only play up front, not in any of the support strikers role. Benteke is sensational. Lambert clearly made the right call. We can't play 442
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This is getting very tired. Bent can only play up front, not in any of the support strikers role. Benteke is sensational. Lambert clearly made the right call. We can't play 442
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Bent is a very different striker to benteke, he wouldn't make an out and out replacement for him if injured- i think bent will want to play regularly and move elsewhere and lambert will look for a striker as back up to benteke in a similar mould.
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This is getting very tired. Bent can only play up front, not in any of the support strikers role. Benteke is sensational. Lambert clearly made the right call. We can't play 442
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Correct. He is an out and out goalscoring centre forward
We know Benteke is sensational. So what do we do if he decides money is his objective and moves to a club who will pay him a weekly salary of far far in excess of the 40000 grand a week we will no doubt offer him?
Whats your solution to this problem Matt?
Nothing in life is simple.
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Given the injury problems and not making our starting eleven, Bent's transfer value has dropped a long way from the heady days when he was in the England squad.
I think he'll go but Villa will lose a lot of money on him but save the wages. But if Benteke leaves, maybe Lambert may have to reconsider his options.
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This is getting very tired. Bent can only play up front, not in any of the support strikers role. Benteke is sensational. Lambert clearly made the right call. We can't play 442
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Correct. He is an out and out goalscoring centre forward
We know Benteke is sensational. So what do we do if he decides money is his objective and moves to a club who will pay him a weekly salary of far far in excess of the 40000 grand a week we will no doubt offer him?
Whats your solution to this problem Matt?
Nothing in life is simple.
How about we trust the manager who bought the 'sensational' Benteke to find a suitable replacement, if he believes Bent is the right person to be that replacement then fine, if he doesn't then I'm going to trust his judgement. His eye for a good striker is one thing no one can deny right now.
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Bent is a dying breed of striker. He's a pure, out and out goal scorer who can't really do too much else. In the modern game players like him are becoming a rarity. Guys like Andy Cole, Michael Owen, Ian Wright who'd play right off the shoulder but would demand the service to get the best out them.
Also much like Andy Cole, a draw back to Bent is that, though he's always making very good runs and gets into good positions, he sometimes needs 3-4 chances to put one in the back of the net. So by virtue you have to be creating these chances for him.
Even Fergie recognised 6-7 years ago the way the league was heading and realised he couldn't carry Ruud Van Horseface. Fucking brilliant player at what he did, but all he did was score goals. You spend large amounts of the game with basically 9 outfield players when you play a striker like that. Hernandez is your classic goalscorer but adapted for the modern game. Technically he's very good, he can run at people and he gets involved in the game.
Lets face it though, every one wants to be Barca. In that side, every single player gets involved, every single player wants the ball.
Only 2 players in our side, Lowton and Westwood, have made more passes than Benteke this season, suggesting he gets a lot of the ball. He's our top scorer and our joint top in assists. Bent cannot do what Benteke has done.
I like Bent. But his days as a striker for a top club are over. He's also probably only got 2 more years at Prem level before his style becomes even more obsolete. To be honest we need to sell him now whilst we can get some sort of reasonable fee. Leave it till Jan, or the following summer and we'll get peanuts. Lambert isn't, and shouldn't, adapt his style to suit Bent.
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This is getting very tired. Bent can only play up front, not in any of the support strikers role. Benteke is sensational. Lambert clearly made the right call. We can't play 442
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Correct. He is an out and out goalscoring centre forward
We know Benteke is sensational. So what do we do if he decides money is his objective and moves to a club who will pay him a weekly salary of far far in excess of the 40000 grand a week we will no doubt offer him?
Whats your solution to this problem Matt?
Nothing in life is simple.
How about we trust the manager who bought the 'sensational' Benteke to find a suitable replacement, if he believes Bent is the right person to be that replacement then fine, if he doesn't then I'm going to trust his judgement. His eye for a good striker is one thing no one can deny right now.
Agreed the Benteke signing has proved to be an absolute masterstroke whatever happens now but let's hope he's got a similar talent for spotting centre halves as we'll be needing at least one maybe two in the summer.
We still have several positions within the side that are occupied by players that simply aren't good enough. Lambert still has a ton of work to do even if we stay up.
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Bent is a dying breed of striker. He's a pure, out and out goal scorer who can't really do too much else. In the modern game players like him are becoming a rarity. Guys like Andy Cole, Michael Owen, Ian Wright who'd play right off the shoulder but would demand the service to get the best out them.
Also much like Andy Cole, a draw back to Bent is that, though he's always making very good runs and gets into good positions, he sometimes needs 3-4 chances to put one in the back of the net. So by virtue you have to be creating these chances for him.
Even Fergie recognised 6-7 years ago the way the league was heading and realised he couldn't carry Ruud Van Horseface. Fucking brilliant player at what he did, but all he did was score goals. You spend large amounts of the game with basically 9 outfield players when you play a striker like that. Hernandez is your classic goalscorer but adapted for the modern game. Technically he's very good, he can run at people and he gets involved in the game.
Lets face it though, every one wants to be Barca. In that side, every single player gets involved, every single player wants the ball.
Only 2 players in our side, Lowton and Westwood, have made more passes than Benteke this season, suggesting he gets a lot of the ball. He's our top scorer and our joint top in assists. Bent cannot do what Benteke has done.
I like Bent. But his days as a striker for a top club are over. He's also probably only got 2 more years at Prem level before his style becomes even more obsolete. To be honest we need to sell him now whilst we can get some sort of reasonable fee. Leave it till Jan, or the following summer and we'll get peanuts. Lambert isn't, and shouldn't, adapt his style to suit Bent.
Thats a well constructed reply Supertom and on reflection you may well be right. We shall have to wait and see. The summer break (as Eastie says) will be very interesting. Say (god forbid) we get relegated would you keep Bent?
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He seemed happy enough on Sunday night said he was buzzing after the result , answered some questions for fans and signed off with #UTV.
Injuries this season have been his downfall would of got more game time but for that and Benteke exceeding all expectations.Useful to have for the run in but expect him to leave in Summer
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In contrast to others, I think Bent could, if asked, and if willing, play in the role out wide in the 3, he did as a kid coming through at Ipswich and I saw Curbishley when he was out of the side saying in our team, he would give Bent a run in one of the wide roles. If Andi or Gabby got injured I would be tempted to put him there, if only in the hope of 2-3 goals before may pumping his price back up.
He was the right signing, at the right moment, for a very small window of time. The appointment of McLeish killed him.
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In contrast to others, I think Bent could, if asked, and if willing, play in the role out wide in the 3, he did as a kid coming through at Ipswich and I saw Curbishley when he was out of the side saying in our team, he would give Bent a run in one of the wide roles. If Andi or Gabby got injured I would be tempted to put him there, if only in the hope of 2-3 goals before may pumping his price back up.
He was the right signing, at the right moment, for a very small window of time. The appointment of McLeish killed him.
The sale of downing and young killed him more than the appointment of Mcleish- bent needs good service and he had that until they left.
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In contrast to others, I think Bent could, if asked, and if willing, play in the role out wide in the 3, he did as a kid coming through at Ipswich and I saw Curbishley when he was out of the side saying in our team, he would give Bent a run in one of the wide roles. If Andi or Gabby got injured I would be tempted to put him there, if only in the hope of 2-3 goals before may pumping his price back up.
He was the right signing, at the right moment, for a very small window of time. The appointment of McLeish killed him.
He wouldn't work as hard as Gabby. But, what we might lose in work rate might give us a goal or two extra by him simply being there.
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If Lambert can get some use out of him for the last fwe games, then great. But longterm he needs to go for both financial and footballing reasons.
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This is getting very tired. Bent can only play up front, not in any of the support strikers role. Benteke is sensational. Lambert clearly made the right call. We can't play 442
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I feel weary just reading. Our front three have been playing out of their skins for weeks now; if we stay up, it's because of them. Swap any of them for Bent and the whole thing changes. He can only play that central role, and he won't contribute anywhere near as much as Benteke. It's the set up Lambert has wanted from the start, and since Gabby has come back from injury he's been able to play it, and it's starting to gel. I'm not sure how we get from that to Lambert being tactically poor. You'd have to say buying Benteke and giving him that role in the team is perhaps the best managerial decision of the season.
As for Bent: it's a shame. At times he's been excellent. I would like to see a breakdown of how many times he's been involved in the squad WHEN FIT however. He's been injured a lot this season. Not sure he's been genuinely overlooked that often.
Bowery - obviously not in the same 'class' as Bent, but again - Bent couldn't play that role, running the right wing, putting defenders under pressure. Bowery fitted that role, did it reasonably well.
I did notice Bent's obvious joy at celebrating Lowton's goal, though, which was heartening to see.
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He was left out completely wasn't he, for a few games, despite not being injured? Seem to recall Pat Murphy haranguing Lambert over it.
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He was. I think all this writing off Bent is way premature. Lambert is nothing if not changeable. If Bent hits form or adapts to how Lambert wants him to play, he will play. He played him before , even made him captain and he could do so again. Good managers do that, Fergie has dropped and reinstated Nani, Rooney and many key superstar players several times.
Bent will rise again. I am delighted we have him in our squad.