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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2013, 11:44:48 PM
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Not seen this posted elsewhere this evening, but this is by far the most depressing thing I've read coming out of the club, and makes it pretty clear, we've accepted our relegation, and are trying to minimise the damage.
Proud history, bright future, kids, and don't forget to snap up your tickets for the Newcastle clash!!!!
Paul Lambert: "If you don’t manage to stay in the league and you’ve spent loads of money then what does that do to your club if it goes down?
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert says he isn't optimistic about new signings and transfers could leave club in trouble if they go down
Paul Lambert doubts Aston Villa will make a signing in the next week, claiming a spending spree would threaten the club’s future if they splashed out and still went down.
Asked if he was optimistic there would be any new faces before the transfer window slams shut next Thursday, Lambert replied: “No, not really.”
Questioned on whether there were actually any deals in the offing or ‘irons in the fire’, the Villa boss gave the same answer, “No, not realy.”
Lambert went on to explain Villa would not be following the example of relegation rivals QPR, Newcastle and Southampton, who are all in the process of strengthening their squads.
The reason being, he suggested, was because adding to Villa’s expenditure this month would leave the club in an even more parlous financial position, if they were still relegated.
“I think that’s everybody else’s prerogative,” said Lambert.
“I don’t think I can ever worry about what other teams are doing. I can understand teams doing it.
“But if you don’t manage to stay in the league and you’ve spent loads of money then what does that do to your club if it goes down? Does that put the club’s future at risk? I don’t want to do that to this club, that’s for sure.”
When asked if Villa had actually bid for any players this month, Lambert replied: “We’ve spoken to a few lads and a few teams, but the finances were way too high.”
He was questioned further about whether the transfer fees asked by clubs or wage demands of players were proving to be the main the stumbling block.
“Both,” was his response.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-manager-paul-lambert-1241001
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more depressing by far was the smug git telling the world he's safe if we get relegated
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Haven't we all accepted it yet?
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Fucking hell. More depressing reading that than the day we appointed Eck.
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"We're not going to spend money trying not to get relegated, in case it doesn't work"
Fuck off, Lerner.
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Unbelievable
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Not seen this posted elsewhere this evening, but this is by far the most depressing thing I've read coming out of the club, and makes it pretty clear, we've accepted our relegation, and are trying to minimise the damage.
Proud history, bright future, kids, and don't forget to snap up your tickets for the Newcastle clash!!!!
Paul Lambert: "If you don’t manage to stay in the league and you’ve spent loads of money then what does that do to your club if it goes down?
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert says he isn't optimistic about new signings and transfers could leave club in trouble if they go down
Paul Lambert doubts Aston Villa will make a signing in the next week, claiming a spending spree would threaten the club’s future if they splashed out and still went down.
Asked if he was optimistic there would be any new faces before the transfer window slams shut next Thursday, Lambert replied: “No, not really.”
Questioned on whether there were actually any deals in the offing or ‘irons in the fire’, the Villa boss gave the same answer, “No, not realy.”
Lambert went on to explain Villa would not be following the example of relegation rivals QPR, Newcastle and Southampton, who are all in the process of strengthening their squads.
The reason being, he suggested, was because adding to Villa’s expenditure this month would leave the club in an even more parlous financial position, if they were still relegated.
“I think that’s everybody else’s prerogative,” said Lambert.
“I don’t think I can ever worry about what other teams are doing. I can understand teams doing it.
“But if you don’t manage to stay in the league and you’ve spent loads of money then what does that do to your club if it goes down? Does that put the club’s future at risk? I don’t want to do that to this club, that’s for sure.”
When asked if Villa had actually bid for any players this month, Lambert replied: “We’ve spoken to a few lads and a few teams, but the finances were way too high.”
He was questioned further about whether the transfer fees asked by clubs or wage demands of players were proving to be the main the stumbling block.
“Both,” was his response.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-manager-paul-lambert-1241001
Well what is the point then?
All ST holders should ask for a partial refund, all tickets be returned, fans to stop buying merchandise, release all players and staff, close the gates of Villa Park and forget it ever happened!
That is what the above comments may have well read!
On another thread there is a debate about fan action, I think the time for that debate has now passed, and the action must begin, because if we don't.....
Who will?
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Lerner, Faulkner, Lambchop - rotten from top to bottom.
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Jesus wept. Just how bad can the finances be, for fucks sake? I find it hard to believe that a man of Lerner's wealth can't find £10M to protect his investment. It's as if they're going through a checklist of all the things a club should do if it wants to get relegated.
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What a fucking disgrace.
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I genuinely cannot believe what I've just read. I genuinely cannot believe that the club is now apparently so spineless at all levels.
Reading this, it is impossible to envisage an immediate return should we be relegated - after all, why spend money chasing promotion in case it doesn't pay off? We are the new Leeds.
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When asked if Villa had actually bid for any players this month, Lambert replied: “We’ve spoken to a few lads and a few teams, but the finances were way too high.”
How depressing is that?
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When asked if Villa had actually bid for any players this month, Lambert replied: “We’ve spoken to a few lads and a few teams, but the finances were way too high.”
How depressing is that?
We were probably speaking to Danny Dichio and John Oster.
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Well I've accepted it. Maybe this was the mission creep I predicted all those years ago to the General when it was obvious he was trying to get a whole set of Stepford mums out of us.
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I wouldnt mind if we was cut off like QPR were. But we are currently the ones outside the relegation zone!!!
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Wow that'll pick the players up
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Basically we're fucked. I too have accepted relegation. We need to sort it out next season, we need another Graham Taylor to rebuild the club out of the omnishambles that it has become. I'm not holding my breath.
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Nurse ...when you have finished treating the inflicted on other threads there is one starting here.
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On the plus side, Bournemouth away in August would be lovely.
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That's one of the most depressing things I've ever read. Others have already asked the question but what really is the point now?
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Nurse ...when you have finished treating the inflicted on other threads there is one starting here.
What do you expect?
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Fuck 'em. If only. If only they knew how much we're hurting right now and have been for 3 seasons, not just Bradford, but 3 fucking seasons.
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Fuck 'em. If only. If only they knew how much we're hurting right now and have been for 3 seasons, not just Bradford, but 3 fucking seasons.
Exactly.
It's not as if it's a sudden outburst of grimness. It is the culmination of a process that has seen us get grimmer and grimmer for three years, and that interview is the absolute icing on the cake.
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Nice that his job is safe ..which he found out whilst having a nice break in NY taking in sights in between us losing to a relegation rival and a 4th division team ..cheers Paul.
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You have to wonder why McLeish was even sacked. He was unpopular but kept us up and got the boot. Lambert will be equally unpopular but take us down and keeps his job. I'm not even sure I'll be bothered to follow the club whilst Lerner remains in charge. A club without ambition to improve is an insult to the basic concept of sport. Proud history, pointless future.
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Lambert's interview is a disgrace and an insult to all Villa fans.
If spending a relatively modest amount to save us from relegation is too much for Lerner, even attempting to get promoted from the Championship for which there can be no guarantee of, will obviously be too much to even contemplate.
Lerner and his cronies really do need to get out of our club and leave it to someone who gives a shit.
This is a sad, sad day.
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Fuck 'em. If only. If only they knew how much we're hurting right now and have been for 3 seasons, not just Bradford, but 3 fucking seasons.
Exactly.
It's not as if it's a sudden outburst of grimness. It is the culmination of a process that has seen us get grimmer and grimmer for three years, and that interview is the absolute icing on the cake.
we are a lame horse that needs to be put out of its misery
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That's a fucking pathetic state of affairs isn't it.
Lambert has certainly accepted right there that the team might not be good enough but that we arn't prepared to do anything about it.
Quite frankly, that's disgraceful that the Club has been mismanaged to this position, absolutley disgraceful.
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Talk about your false economy. We really do appear to have two blithering idiots running our club.
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i think its a case of lets get all the bad news out in one week
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Nobody is asking to spend £50m. What about fucking loan signings?
I'm upset and fed up. Wished I didn't care like them, but I do.
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I've decided that gallows humour is the only possible reaction under the circumstances.
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Fuck 'em. If only. If only they knew how much we're hurting right now and have been for 3 seasons, not just Bradford, but 3 fucking seasons.
And many have tried to stay positive in those three seasons and went out on a limb to stick up for these scumbags destroying Aston Villa.
I don't like the word scumbag but when I see a billionaire destroying the club that has been a constant source of escape (and mostly enjoyment) for me then I will use it liberally.
Fuck off the lot of them.
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The worst is he could give lambert some money. This is his policy. He really just doesn't give a shit anymore.
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The worst is he could give lambert some money. This is his policy. He really just doesn't give a shit anymore.
See the article on the mail website? Lerner's fortune soared to £3bn this year.
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Nice that his job is safe ..which he found out whilst having a nice break in NY taking in sights in between us losing to a relegation rival and a 4th division team ..cheers Paul.
I can't help but feel the piece was written like that to provoke that kind of reaction against the manager (not blaming you for reacting like that, by the way). It's not Lambert at fault here for three years of piss poor leadership it's Lerner and Faulkner - they deserve both barrels.
Faulkner needs to address the fans before the end of January.
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One of two things will happen. We'll either scrape through and stay up just, which is what I think will happen. Then with the new tv deal money, they'll spend a decent chunk in the summer and we should then be in a lot better shape next season.
Alternatively, we go down and spend a couple of seasons in the championship and re-build from the bottom up. Finally get rid once and for all of the remaining couldn't give a toss high earners. It's likely most of the recent signings will be on contracts where there's relegation clauses if we do go down. We re-build sustainably within our means and be in a lot better shape when we do go back up, with a still young but more experienced squad who actually want to play for the club and taste success.
I'd much rather it was the former, but the for me the latter wouldn't be the end of the world. I've seen us go down before and it was painful but not the end of the world and we came back a lot stronger for it. The to of us doing a Leeds/ forest/ Sheffield Wednesday if we go down is wide of the mark in my book. We'd be far more likely to do a west ham and come straight back and be in far better shape to compete the season after. It is a bit depressing talking of villa in the same terms as the likes of west ham, but I think that's more realistic of where we are now than comparing us to the likes of spurs and Liverpool where we were a few seasons ago.
That's the reality as I see it.
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Shambles
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How did it come to this?
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Randy Lerner you are a ******.
Paul Faulkner you are a ******.
Paul Lambert you are a ******.
Feel better now.
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Lyrics of Napalm Death's new single?
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Lyrics of Napalm Death's new single?
It's off the new Dido album 'The death at B6'
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If the carrot of £60m per season guaranteed income for three seasons isn't enough for us to invest in the squad now - moderately then I can only assume that going down with any more costs on the balance sheet would see us go into Administration - that is the only logical conclusion I can draw from this utterly conservative and ludicrous approach.
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Good news, the flags have arrived for the Newcastle game
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wzDZ2dZJMC4/T1lfNrL8lJI/AAAAAAAACAY/7Qy26wUOiOI/s200/white+flag.jpg)
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Very good.
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A club without ambition to improve is an insult to the basic concept of sport.
Spot on. Disgraceful, spineless and pathetic attitude from those 'in charge.'
Lerner does not deserve to be a custodian of this club.
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"Asked if he was optimistic there would be any new funds from his wallet to the club after the relegation slams shut this season, CiggiesNBeer replied: “No, not really.”"
Sorry, I hope the club understand, but you have to be careful with your cash these days. Its just too risky for me to invest my hard earned money in a club that has no desire to compete.
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I can't believe we are in a position where we can't even make a couple of loan signings.
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What's Erik Bakke doing these days?
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The only glimmer of hope is that his lack of investment is a sign he intends to sell up as soon as possible. Why invest in something you're about to sell? Here's for hoping this incompetent rich boy buggers off soon.
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I can only think it's not about the money, it's about the complete and utter lack of interest in the club.
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Fuck 'em. If only. If only they knew how much we're hurting right now and have been for 3 seasons, not just Bradford, but 3 fucking seasons.
And many have tried to stay positive in those three seasons and went out on a limb to stick up for these scumbags destroying Aston Villa.
I don't like the word scumbag but when I see a billionaire destroying the club that has been a constant source of escape (and mostly enjoyment) for me then I will use it liberally.
Fuck off the lot of them.
Indeed fuck them...
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I read something similar yesterday on the BBCs Ivan Gaskells twitter page, he then went on to apologise for misquoting Paul Lambert and any innacurate reporting. Now it seems it might have been accurate after all. I have never known anything like this from the Villa, I am so fucked off right now. https://mobile.twitter.com/IvanGaskell1
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I can't believe what I have just read, Lerner is a fucking idiot, everyone around us is buying players trying to ensure they stay in the Prem as they all know how much money teams will be getting next season while he just sits there an accepts it. The guy doesn't have a clue about running a business, that's what you get when you're a little rich kid who has never had to work to get his money. I'm actually beginning to despise him, I've always felt that was something not quite right ever since he took over.
The next six days will shape our club for years if as it appears they will do nothing then it will take a miracle for us to stay up, if we go down we will not come back straight away this squad would struggle in the championship it's not good enough. I'm so fucking angry if you're not interested anymore Lerner sell us and fuck off you useless fucking clown.
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The only glimmer of hope is that his lack of investment is a sign he intends to sell up as soon as possible. Why invest in something you're about to sell? Here's for hoping this incompetent rich boy buggers off soon.
Too right. Just like the club was suddenly skint when Doug was getting ready to sell....
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I posted this on the 15th Jan:
It looks deliberate to me. How can you think anything else when, following the run of results we have had, the club does not do anything to address it?
The manager sits and watches as if he has been assured that his position is safe regardless of relegation.
I didn't think they'd be stupid enough to admit it though.
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we need to let the bastards know at the newcastle game how we feel or are going stiff upper lip acdc style
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If the carrot of £60m per season guaranteed income for three seasons isn't enough for us to invest in the squad now - moderately then I can only assume that going down with any more costs on the balance sheet would see us go into Administration - that is the only logical conclusion I can draw from this utterly conservative and ludicrous approach.
This is my worry too. Lerner/Faulkner have either been mismanaged us to the point of going bust or they just don't give a shit so refuse to spend anything.
What a choice!!
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Lerner is downsizing or he is totally and utterly skint. Shambolic.
Anybody still think Paul Lambert is the man?
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Can somebody with a more analytical brain than mine (or a nice Excel sheet) please explain to me how it could make better financial sense to allow to to wither and be relegated than stay up. I simply cannot cannot fathom this out given that we are on the cusp of a new number TV deal.
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So Wanker won't sanction spending and has no qualms about us going down?
Great.
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On this reasoning I think it's perfectly plausible that the club will be ready to sell to gut the wage bill. I can see Bent going this month now, someone will test us with a £8m bid or similar and they'll bite.
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The only reason I can think for not spending is that Lerner & Faulker doesn't believe Lambert can keep us up even if we spend but can't sack him either so they are hoping that the fans will turn against Lambert and they are trying to force him to resign.
Remember all the PR bullshit last summer after hiring Lambert how things will be much better this season and they'll fix the problems they had? I can bet on that Lerner and Faulkner doesn't want to admit that they got it wrong with Lambert and lose their face so now they are trying to spin things that it's impossible to spend on january due elavated fees and wages.
Now I actually wish that some rich arab would buy Villa, put actual competent football people in charge and give them enough money to get us promoted next season.
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Taking a step back, it is not implausible quotes are made to sound worse than they are by the press. This is going to big news, so even villa would surely deny it if it were not quite right
Secondly, there may be some sense in not doing a QPR who will be f****d if they go down, but you simply don't say it to the press. Madness for morale around the club.
My only hope is that PL is trying to play it very cool after some clubs and players are obviously taking the piss. Surely if there was no cash available, we wouldn't have even started talking?
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How about this for a zany idea, we just borrow someone elses players till the end of the season and send them back if we get relegated.
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Can we have Messi, van Persie...
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I haven't read all of this thread, so apologies if someone else has mentioned this:
There is an article on this very subject in my paper today, but it includes some sentences they seem to have been ignored here.
a. "I don't want to sit here and think 'we keep getting beat but I'm safe'. I worry like hell about things. I still feel like c... ."
b. "I don't go home and think 'that's all right, that's great' and switch off. You want to knock someone's pan in. I always used to blame myself as a footballer and think about what I could do better. As a manager, it's tenfold that."
c. "We have to fight like hell. Relegation? I'm not going to let that happen."
That, to me, doesn't sound like a manager who has accepted that we are going down.
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"How are you going to stop it then, Paul?"
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What's Mr Woodhall's take on this? He's a Lerner fan...
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I gave up a while back regarding us signing anyone. It's over, sad days for our great club.
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I'm so depressed.
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Remember when the General first arrived, saying that one of the main things the new regime wanted to restore was hope. I don't think any of us could have imagined that 7 years down the line it would be the hope that we don't get relegated. And for many of us, fans and club alike it seems, that hope has all but evaporated.
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This would make sense of suggestions that the goalposts have shifted in terms of what finance Lambert was given to believe was going to be available in this window. When it looked like we were on a roll before the Chelsea debacle the powers that be may have thought it was worth investing but since then they have decided that there is no point?
Lame.
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How about this for a zany idea, we just borrow someone elses players till the end of the season and send them back if we get relegated.
We would probably go for Pires and a spurs player with a career threatening injury.
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Lerner and Faulkner have got away so lightly.
I can't believe they have been allowed to do this with barely a whimper from the fans.
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So we are broke, why spend money on all those flags and why send a private jet to get the manager to the USA for a meeting, whats wrong with a video conference call (except someone might copy it and leak it)
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Where to start - 30 years a Lions fan and this.
Lerner clearly has given up on his plaything, Faulkwit is anaware of the sport we play and as for Lambert, to be honest i'm most disappointed with him over this article.
Surely if this is the party line he's having to communicate, what does it say about him as a professional and as a human. His stock is tumbling, so if he had even a small pair, surely now is the time to resign and keep some professional dignity. His position as manager is untenable under this regime.
To me this smacks of a bloke waiting to be punted and take with him a kings ransom in compensation - rather than a football person with any honour who should walk. If nothing else it might allow him another shot at another decent club.
Cannot remember feeling this dejected about our wonderful club - never ever thought we could sink this low!
Please Randy - thanks for everything, but for the good of all concerned please please step aside before you inflict any more damage
VTID
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What's the point in paying £40 to watch us if we're only going to get beat?
I'll take my lead from the club, and I won't bother turning up again.
I'm sick of putting my faith in this club, only to have it thrown back in my face.
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Can somebody with a more analytical brain than mine (or a nice Excel sheet) please explain to me how it could make better financial sense to allow to to wither and be relegated than stay up. I simply cannot cannot fathom this out given that we are on the cusp of a new number TV deal.
Its not about money its about Randy winning the Championship, like he promised fans he would
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What I cannot fathom is why he doesn't get the first seasons parachute money to spend. Its guaranteed if the worst happens.
If we go down then half the squad will be sold and you could make a fair argument to Lambert of using any generated funds from those sales to reshape the squad.
To sit back, shove our collective fingers in ours ears and just wait for the inevitable is mystifying.
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"We're not going to spend money trying not to get relegated, in case it doesn't work"
Fuck off, Lerner.
Indeed that's it for me. That is the most pathetic defeatist attitude I've ever seen, fucking try and find someone competant to buy the club Lerner you wanker. Frankly I think people should stop turning up to games, if the club have given up why should the fans put their hard earned money and their hearts into the club.
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I'm not giving a penny to this club while these fuckers are here.
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"We're not going to spend money trying not to get relegated, in case it doesn't work"
Fuck off, Lerner.
Indeed that's it for me. That is the most pathetic defeatist attitude I've ever seen, fucking try and find someone competant to buy the club Lerner you wanker. Frankly I think people should stop turning up to games, if the club have given up why should the fans put their hard earned money and their hearts into the club.
This is the only thing that the fans can do to make their voices heard.
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I'm not giving a penny to this club while these fuckers are here.
Wow, it really is like Doug is back.
Not having a go, just saying.
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Lerner and Faulkner have got away so lightly.
I can't believe they have been allowed to do this with barely a whimper from the fans.
Thing is, IV, if you let the John Wayne act slip for just a second you might be accused of being a drama queen, and you wouldn't want that.
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"We're not going to spend money trying not to get relegated, in case it doesn't work"
Fuck off, Lerner.
Indeed that's it for me. That is the most pathetic defeatist attitude I've ever seen, fucking try and find someone competant to buy the club Lerner you wanker. Frankly I think people should stop turning up to games, if the club have given up why should the fans put their hard earned money and their hearts into the club.
This is the only thing that the fans can do to make their voices heard.
Yes but I don't think they care a less. Given the cost of turning up to watch a team that clearly has already accepted relegation, it's just disgraceful. Speaking from personal experience, I spent around £125(after travel, ticket, food and drink) coming up from Winchester to watch Villa vs Southampton. That's a lot of money for me, had I known the ownership's contempt for the club they own I wouldn't have bothered.
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Where to start - 30 years a Lions fan and this.
Lerner clearly has given up on his plaything, Faulkwit is anaware of the sport we play and as for Lambert, to be honest i'm most disappointed with him over this article.
Surely if this is the party line he's having to communicate, what does it say about him as a professional and as a human. His stock is tumbling, so if he had even a small pair, surely now is the time to resign and keep some professional dignity. His position as manager is untenable under this regime.
To me this smacks of a bloke waiting to be punted and take with him a kings ransom in compensation - rather than a football person with any honour who should walk. If nothing else it might allow him another shot at another decent club.
Cannot remember feeling this dejected about our wonderful club - never ever thought we could sink this low!
Please Randy - thanks for everything, but for the good of all concerned please please step aside before you inflict any more damage
VTID
the trouble is as we have seen (allegedly) you can walk away from the club quit what ever you call it and still get a pay off
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I, as many others probably did, fell for it all, hook, line and sinker. Lerner's charm offensive by splashing the cash won me over in minutes. Renevating the Holte pub and training ground etc, was all ticks in the right boxes as a fan. Especially with him and Doug appointing MON, he was the right man at the right time. I didn't think at any point it would ever get to this, even with the cost cutting and trimming of wages. Which, had to happen, especially when you look at the shite players we was wasting millions of pounds on every year. I just didn't think he would end up appearing to not give a fuck.
I wonder if he's still got that tattoo on his leg?
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It's a total disgrace.
Once we stop being proud of our club will we ever get it back?
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As I said before, against Newcastle on Tuesday and for every home game after that if need be the fans need to go to the game, scream their heads off for the lads but not spend a single penny on anything in the ground in the club shop.
The only way Lerner will get the message is in the pocket. He isn't there to see or hear the issues, he isn't bothered about the club, but he is bothered about money. That is where he needs to get hit.
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Get ready to wave goodbye to top flight football for a very long time.
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Can I be the first to say "We are not going down"?
After all, there'll be about 2000 of you wrist-slitters queuing up to say "I told you so" if we do go down. However, I'll be the only smart-arse in town once we stay up. So Ner!
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Surely if this is the party line he's having to communicate, what does it say about him as a professional and as a human. His stock is tumbling, so if he had even a small pair, surely now is the time to resign and keep some professional dignity. His position as manager is untenable under this regime.
Lambert's body language and demeanour in press conferences is beginning to remind me a lot of Alex McLeish this time last year. When, you'll recall, we started to look like needed one or two new players, and yet we signed no-one....
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Get ready to wave goodbye to top flight football for a very long time.
Shame but that is spot on when we go down it will take years to get back. We may be the next shef wed >:(
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The abysmal performances are one thing but this defeatist, giving-up is just
FUCKING PATHETIC!
And I'm sorry but the ONLY way Lerner will take note is if the attendances drop massively or there is a huge protest at the game. Not buying a sodding pie will do bugger all.
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I'm not giving a penny to this club while these fuckers are here.
Wow, it really is like Doug is back.
Not having a go, just saying.
I didn't think things would get much more depressing than that last year or so under Doug/DOL.
We'll be playing Bradford in the league before too long.
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I genuinely cannot believe what I've just read. I genuinely cannot believe that the club is now apparently so spineless at all levels.
Reading this, it is impossible to envisage an immediate return should we be relegated - after all, why spend money chasing promotion in case it doesn't pay off? We are the new Leeds.
And that's what's so confusing. Our current squad of youngsters will struggle even more in the more physical Championship, which means we will have to recruit some solid, experienced personnel to get us back up. So, why not invest in those personnel now and give ourselves a fighting chance of staying in the top league? Aboslutely bewildering!!!!
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What a fucking disgrace.
Shambolic- really hurts seeing our club run down like this .
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Lerner and Faulkner have got away so lightly.
I can't believe they have been allowed to do this with barely a whimper from the fans.
Thing is, IV, if you let the John Wayne act slip for just a second you might be accused of being a drama queen, and you wouldn't want that.
Well excuse me for caring.
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I wonder if he's still got that tattoo on his leg?
He's had his leg amputated and replaced with a solid gold one.
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That is one of the sadiest interviews I've read. Really, really down about it. It also add fuel to the fire about what some people on here have said about lambert not getting sacked. Is it because they just can't afford to pay him and his staff off if they do?
Proud history... No future.
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As I said before, against Newcastle on Tuesday and for every home game after that if need be the fans need to go to the game, scream their heads off for the lads but not spend a single penny on anything in the ground in the club shop.
The only way Lerner will get the message is in the pocket. He isn't there to see or hear the issues, he isn't bothered about the club, but he is bothered about money. That is where he needs to get hit.
Firstly, I don't think this could ever work. How are you going to convince everyone to stop buying food/drink/shirts, etc.
Secondly, you risk putting people's job's in jeopardy. If no one buys a programme, why produce any programmes? If nobody buys any food or drink, then why provide the facility? Shut the lot down and save on electricity, transport and labour costs.
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Well, what do you know, it wasn't a 5 year plan after all, it was a 7 year plan.
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If we go down I actually don't know if Lambert would want to stay on. He's made mistakes so who knows how high his stock is, but I find it hard to believe he'd have come from Norwich if this was the plan - specifically plan not to strengthen the squad IF we're in trouble. It's the maddest, stupidest, most suicidal, most supine, pathetic, miserable abnegation of responsibility in the history of the club. Nothing can justify this, nothing, nothing at all.
Randy Lerner, that tattoo on your ankle is starting to look like a murderer wearing a trophy of his victim.
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It's the maddest, stupidest, most suicidal, most supine, pathetic, miserable abnegation of responsibility in the history of the club.
*nods respectfully*
*scribbles down in notebook*
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It's the maddest, stupidest, most suicidal, most supine, pathetic, miserable abnegation of responsibility in the history of the club.
*nods respectfully*
*scribbles down in notebook*
I learnt it the other day on here. H&V is good for the vocab.
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Can somebody with a more analytical brain than mine (or a nice Excel sheet) please explain to me how it could make better financial sense to allow to to wither and be relegated than stay up. I simply cannot cannot fathom this out given that we are on the cusp of a new number TV deal.
Trying to fathom this one out as well. I suppose you could say that as most clubs splurge most of the TV money straight to players and agents, it more or less comes in and goes straight out. Lower wages in the Championship would mean we could get rid of the expensive old codgers and build around a team of young, hungry, up-and-coming players? Oh, hang on a minute...
I suppose if wages are lower in the Championship, they'll be lower still in League One.
Doesn't really make much sense, does it? Surely, with decent management and a wise acquisition and wages policy, you could use the daftly inflated TV money prudently.
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Mate has just siad to me (may not be the first in anyway) but we get to lay Millwall tonight , then twice in the league next season.....:(
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We've all made the point that spending £20m or so now to shore up this callow squad will deliver a £60m per-annum return. This is the sort of investment that is difficult to argue against.
The fact that RL appears to be ignoring this suggests to me that he's already decided to pull down the shutters and get what he can out of the club, through interest payments and management charges. Sort of what was happening at the Browns, I suspect.
What he seems to be forgetting is that relegation means a reduction in revenue and therefore a paring back of costs. And an exodus of the best players. All of which makes his asset less valuable for would-be buyers.
Am I being too simplistic, or has RL sussed out something that I haven't?
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I can see the beginnings of asset stripping soon, although you could argue that has started by selling players and not replacing them adequately.
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Very sad times for us fans - how depressing to see such a great club run down in this way.
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It is a shocking article and to be honest nothing surprises me anymore, I wouldn't be surprised if the club turned around and said it's all our fault for being fickle or something, utter lack of respect is appauling.
it's just like all the fight has evapourated
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i must have had a long sleep last night, apparantly we have been relegated????
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What's Mr Woodhall's take on this? He's a Lerner fan...
Really? In what way?
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That's it eastie, it's like the death of a giant
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I wonder if he's still got that tattoo on his leg?
He's had his leg amputated and replaced with a solid gold one.
Or alternatively, it was just a henna tattoo anyway.
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That's it eastie, it's like the death of a giant
It is, it's actually physically painful. I wish the board could feel exactly what the fans are feeling and then they'd understand.
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Can somebody with a more analytical brain than mine (or a nice Excel sheet) please explain to me how it could make better financial sense to allow to to wither and be relegated than stay up. I simply cannot cannot fathom this out given that we are on the cusp of a new number TV deal.
If spending guaranteed staying up, then yes. They've probably realised from performances that we are just about the worst team in the division, and may even have drawn up a probability curve (amount spent vs probability of staying up), and, hypothetically, realised we need 8 or 9 players to have a realistic chance of staying up. Outlay of 120m or so. Anything less spent does not increase our chances of staying up enough to warrant the risk of financial burden in the Championship.
Another way of looking at it: if every team spent 1bn pounds, three would still go down at the end.
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I clearly remember the feeling of despair whn we were relegated under the old board in 1967. Never dreamt that feeling would return but here we are. At least back then relegation wasn't accepted until it was a mathematical certanty. Now, it looks as if everyone thinks we're down & we should shut up shop & go home. Well sod that,fight back. We the fans got rid of that old board by taking serious action, read Children Of The Revolution to find out how its done. This situation also underlines something else, Americans should never be allowed near football, they just don't get it. VTID!
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The very least that must be done is to explain the situation to the life blood of the club i.e. the fans. The business side of the club is the CEO's responsibility not the Managers. We need a clear a statement of explanation from PF ,not PL trying to explain something he plainly does not fully understand. I have already said that without sensible reinforcements we will go down and I cannot reconcile how an investment of say £10m to protect revenue of £60m is not a sensible level of risk to accept given the clubs precarious but not hopeless position. I would go as far to say that no other club in the Premier League would take the position we have regarding investment in this transfer window. What worries me even more is if and it is a big "if" we survive this season what funds will there be available come the summer? There is no point being in a lague that you cant compete in and you cannot ignore what others are doing around you that is just a nonsense. Anyway I want Faulkner to explain to us exactly what on earth is going on and justify to the life blood of the club the strategy that has been adopted.
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More than anything I've seen on the field this is worst I've felt supporting villa that I can remember.The sad thing is if we do go down which is more than likely, then I will not continue my season ticket that I have had for years.
Unfortunately I will look like a spoilt kid not backing the team just because they are relegated, but the reality is I will not invest all my time and money while Randy sits on his Billions.
Yes he has put money into the club, but he took on that Job you cannot wash your hand of it when it suits you.
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I normally have a 'gallows humour' about this sort of situation, but i'm having trouble even mustering that at the moment.
All I feel at the moment is cycles of anger and disbelief.
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We are still 4th from bottom, although if we insist on losing games against the teams around us thats not going to stay like that. Obviously, Newcastle next Tuesday will be the biggest game since Wigan last month and Southampton the other week (desparately unlucky to lose the latter, BTW)
I don't think the board, faulkner or even the tea lady will address the supporters - no matter how much people on here insist that they do.
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Can somebody with a more analytical brain than mine (or a nice Excel sheet) please explain to me how it could make better financial sense to allow to to wither and be relegated than stay up. I simply cannot cannot fathom this out given that we are on the cusp of a new number TV deal.
Trying to fathom this one out as well. I suppose you could say that as most clubs splurge most of the TV money straight to players and agents, it more or less comes in and goes straight out. Lower wages in the Championship would mean we could get rid of the expensive old codgers and build around a team of young, hungry, up-and-coming players? Oh, hang on a minute...
I suppose if wages are lower in the Championship, they'll be lower still in League One.
Doesn't really make much sense, does it? Surely, with decent management and a wise acquisition and wages policy, you could use the daftly inflated TV money prudently.
I'm assuming the club have a business plan in the event of relegation. They must have drawn up forecasts and budgets based on dropping out the PL and into the Championship, and perhaps they have concluded that it would be viable to operate accordingly next season.
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Lose to Newcastle. It's goodbye.
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We are still 4th from bottom, although if we insist on losing games against the teams around us thats not going to stay like that.
If we keep collectively voiding our bowels everytime there is a corner, we have no chance.
Guzan must be ripping out what little left he's got of his hair.
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"We're not going to spend money trying not to get relegated, in case it doesn't work"
Fuck off, Lerner.
Sums it up perfectly.
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I'm assuming the club have a business plan in the event of relegation.
Don't you fucking believe it.
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Lose to Newcastle. It's goodbye.
With all the games we have had to play and the fact they are fresh and Buoyant from new signings its safe bet that we will lose.
Maybe we should all take white flags and wave them at Learner.
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We are still 4th from bottom, although if we insist on losing games against the teams around us thats not going to stay like that. Obviously, Newcastle next Tuesday will be the biggest game since Wigan last month and Southampton the other week (desparately unlucky to lose the latter, BTW)
I don't think the board, faulkner or even the tea lady will address the supporters - no matter how much people on here insist that they do.
[You may well be right but believe me the more pressure we apply on this point the more uncomfortable they will feel and like I said this one is not for PL to try and explain./quote]
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I'm assuming the club have a business plan in the event of relegation.
Don't you fucking believe it.
They must have something though. They must have looked at the scenario of going down (after last season's scare), calculated revenue lost, adjusted budgets accordingly, know how they'd need to react in terms of staffing and squad, projected impact on attendance.
They would have done that. There will be a contingency plan. A business this size would have this in hand. They would.
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To all FANS its time for action
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Lose to Newcastle. It's goodbye.
With all the games we have had to play and the fact they are fresh and Buoyant from new signings its safe bet that we will lose.
Maybe we should all take white flags and wave them at Learner.
Best idea so far, wave our hankies or white flags !
As for the game i agree - newcastle will expect to win and i think they will with ease. 0-3
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Lose to Newcastle. It's goodbye.
With all the games we have had to play and the fact they are fresh and Buoyant from new signings its safe bet that we will lose.
Maybe we should all take white flags and wave them at Learner.
Actually that would be very funny in the context of the flags we had on Tuesday
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How do we protest against a chairman that's never bloody seen.
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You can't. It's pointless. He's rarely there, rarely accountable. It won't be RL who feels the heat, anyway. It'll be a young squad of players who are just about shot mentally, anyway.
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there is a hell of a lot of overeaction going on in this thread in my view
some of you guys have got us down 2 divisions before weve even been relegated out of the prem, where even as bad as weve been we are still above the drop spots
wheres the next point coming from i hear the cry,
well in the last league game we had we picked up a point after going away to a top half league side where we played them of the pitch in the first half,
Quality is not the problem, confidence is, as so many of our games this season have shown
if the players are all so rubbish and not fit for the prem league, how come if we go down loads of them will leave to play where.... in the prem league, thought they werent good enough ?
only the best will leave ! thought we didnt have any good players
in my view we have a lot of very good players, who are playing with no confidence and with a mixture of injuries, inexperience and bad luck we find ourselves in a battle for survival
the front two Benteke and Vieman are better than any other front partnership in the bottom half of the league, and some above to, the goalkeeer is solid, and we have the makings of some good players coming through, we just need a break
we went out of the cup to a lower league side, but we forget we made the semi final with some great performances to get there, and we werent the first Prem side to lose against Bradford, they might even go on and win the bloody thing
i'l be sticking with Randy and Lambert for now, the alternatives of RDM, Allardyce, Hughes etc do not thrill and to quote Lambert favourite saying
'i'l go with what we have thanks'
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Well I refuse to accept relegation until it is certain.
Even though we may be run by spineless, inept and invisible idiots, we must give ourselves the best chance by doing the only thing we can do and get behind the team once again.
Time for protest at the end of the season whether we go down or not.
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Well when we lost to Bolton last year they made a statement when the crowd turned ,so they do take notice.
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we must give ourselves the best chance by doing the only thing we can do and get behind the team once again.
The crowd was fantastic on Tuesday. How'd that work out?
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For a start Lambert can do something positive and re-instate Hutton and Warnock to the first team squad, even put them on the bench if you want but f**king do something POSITIVE, if not for the fans but for the players themselves!
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there is a hell of a lot of overeaction going on in this thread in my view
some of you guys have got us down 2 divisions before weve even been relegated out of the prem, where even as bad as weve been we are still above the drop spots
wheres the next point coming from i hear the cry,
well in the last league game we had we picked up a point after going away to a top half league side where we played them of the pitch in the first half,
Quality is not the problem, confidence is, as so many of our games this season have shown
if the players are all so rubbish and not fit for the prem league, how come if we go down loads of them will leave to play where.... in the prem league, thought they werent good enough ?
only the best will leave ! thought we didnt have any good players
in my view we have a lot of very good players, who are playing with no confidence and with a mixture of injuries, inexperience and bad luck we find ourselves in a battle for survival
the front two Benteke and Vieman are better than any other front partnership in the bottom half of the league, and some above to, the goalkeeer is solid, and we have the makings of some good players coming through, we just need a break
we went out of the cup to a lower league side, but we forget we made the semi final with some great performances to get there, and we werent the first Prem side to lose against Bradford, they might even go on and win the bloody thing
i'l be sticking with Randy and Lambert for now, the alternatives of RDM, Allardyce, Hughes etc do not thrill and to quote Lambert favourite saying
'i'l go with what we have thanks'
For me, it's not a case of turning my back on them, and I was a supporter of Lambert joining us. It's more that there is clearly no logic to the current situation: we've all made the point that spending £20m or so now to shore up this callow squad will secure EPL football and deliver a £60m per-annum return. This is the sort of investment that is difficult to argue against.
What RL seems to be forgetting is that relegation means a reduction in revenue and therefore a paring back of costs. And an exodus of the best players. All of which makes his asset less valuable for would-be buyers. Spending money to protect your assets and deliver a x3 benefit in the first year (i.e. £20m in transfer + fees, in return for the EPL TV bonus of £60m) seems like a no-brainer to me.
Am I being too simplistic, or has RL sussed out something that I haven't?
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How do we protest against a chairman that's never bloody seen.
Aren't you forgetting he watches every game via a satellite link? ;-)
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For a start Lambert can do something positive and re-instate Hutton and Warnock to the first team squad, even put them on the bench if you want but f**king do something POSITIVE, if not for the fans but for the players themselves!
Mutton's off to Majorca & Warnock is off to Leeds so fat chance.
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For the comments about overreaction, at exactly what stage is it ok to react? I think once the manager is saying 'we're not spending money avoiding relegation, in case it doesn't work' when you're 4th bottom in the league. That is the right time to get fucking pissed off and depressed with the running of the club.
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As an aside, with all clubs getting £60m isn't this just going to inflate all asking prices for players? So the pecking order will not change much, but 2m players will cost 6m?
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For a start Lambert can do something positive and re-instate Hutton and Warnock to the first team squad, even put them on the bench if you want but f**king do something POSITIVE, if not for the fans but for the players themselves!
Mutton's off to Majorca & Warnock is off to Leeds so fat chance.
Cheers, didn't realise, oh well might as well get rid of a few more while we are about it, won't need them where we are going!
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As an aside, with all clubs getting £60m isn't this just going to inflate all asking prices for players? So the pecking order will not change much, but 2m players will cost 6m?
It may take a little time for it to ripple through, but that's exactly what I expect to happen. And watch what happens to wages at the same time!
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Reading this has really riled me. I sent a link to my dad also a big Villa fan. We live pretty close to Paul Faulkner so I wanted to see what he thought about penning him a letter and poking it through his letter box. This was his response, which is hard to argue with:
'Yes I saw this last night and it is reported in the papers today. I don't think a letter will make any difference because the plan is:
1. Lock down on all expenditure so there will be no signings or loan players As soon as season finishes a fire sale of the big earners with no relegation clauses in their contracts i.e. Dunne, Given, Bent, Warnock, N'Zogbia, Hutton, Ireland Agbonlahor i.e. what Blues are trying to do now with Butland, Davies etc
3. Get best prices for the other players who are or might be good enough for Premiership or another European League - Vlaar, Benteke and Weimann for certain and possibly Clark - though I don't rate Clark that highly
4. Don't sack the manager or the coaches - leave that to the next owner to decide and pay for - see below
5. Try everything and anything to get somebody/anybody to buy the club asap once relegation confirmed - Lerner will be prepared to take a hit on his loans to the club just so he never has to come near the place again but he's got the problem that any prospective buyer will wait for all of the above to happen and then buy as cheap as possible and run it like a Notts Forest or Derby County - living on past glory whilst kicking around the Championship and Div 1 from year to year
6. Faulkener is a complete irrelevance to all of the above because his job is simply to execute what Lerner decides -and tells him to do he has no authority to make any decisions at alll - AVFC is a private limited companyin which all the shares are owned by Randy.
7. In the meantime leave Lambert to fron tall the press and media with the rope around his neck waiting to walk to the trap door - just as they did with McLeish before him
So personally I wouldn't waste the ink on a letter to the tea boy.'
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there is a hell of a lot of overeaction going on in this thread in my view
some of you guys have got us down 2 divisions before weve even been relegated out of the prem, where even as bad as weve been we are still above the drop spots
wheres the next point coming from i hear the cry,
well in the last league game we had we picked up a point after going away to a top half league side where we played them of the pitch in the first half,
Quality is not the problem, confidence is, as so many of our games this season have shown
if the players are all so rubbish and not fit for the prem league, how come if we go down loads of them will leave to play where.... in the prem league, thought they werent good enough ?
only the best will leave ! thought we didnt have any good players
in my view we have a lot of very good players, who are playing with no confidence and with a mixture of injuries, inexperience and bad luck we find ourselves in a battle for survival
the front two Benteke and Vieman are better than any other front partnership in the bottom half of the league, and some above to, the goalkeeer is solid, and we have the makings of some good players coming through, we just need a break
we went out of the cup to a lower league side, but we forget we made the semi final with some great performances to get there, and we werent the first Prem side to lose against Bradford, they might even go on and win the bloody thing
i'l be sticking with Randy and Lambert for now, the alternatives of RDM, Allardyce, Hughes etc do not thrill and to quote Lambert favourite saying
'i'l go with what we have thanks'
For me, it's not a case of turning my back on them, and I was a supporter of Lambert joining us. It's more that there is clearly no logic to the current situation: we've all made the point that spending £20m or so now to shore up this callow squad will secure EPL football and deliver a £60m per-annum return. This is the sort of investment that is difficult to argue against.
What RL seems to be forgetting is that relegation means a reduction in revenue and therefore a paring back of costs. And an exodus of the best players. All of which makes his asset less valuable for would-be buyers. Spending money to protect your assets and deliver a x3 benefit in the first year (i.e. £20m in transfer + fees, in return for the EPL TV bonus of £60m) seems like a no-brainer to me.
Am I being too simplistic, or has RL sussed out something that I haven't?
i agree its a good argument and difficult to dismiss,
but we are now paying for the sins of the past, Lerner has to take some blame as he is the owner, but he obviously feels he needs to get things under control and its going to be a bit painfull,
i think the club who's plan has the biggest chance of fianancial meltdown is QPR rather than Villa, if they go down it will be very difficult for them, i certainly would not want to be in there boots
the answer to are problems does not lie in bringing cheap rubbish back to the club like davies NRC etc
and loan players are generally on loan for a reason, they arnt performing for there current club, thats why they are not needed
we are very weak midfield, i would love to see someone brought in, but it doesnt look like that will happen,
remember last time we went out and spent 20 mill on Bent,
he now hangs around the club rarely playing picking up futunes and if we sold him would probably be looking at 8 mill at best, and whats more we have better strikers at the club who didnt cost anything like as much,
admittedly Bent is credited with keeping us up, so maybe it was a worthwhile investment but maybe Lerner has had enough of that, and has decided to go another way
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As an aside, with all clubs getting £60m isn't this just going to inflate all asking prices for players? So the pecking order will not change much, but 2m players will cost 6m?
It may take a little time for it to ripple through, but that's exactly what I expect to happen. And watch what happens to wages at the same time!
Indeed, not to mention increased competition for buying players from abroad, and bigger wages that average Premier League clubs will be able to offer our better players if/when we go down. Now is the time to buy players, the last chance we have, and it's being passed up.
I remember when Cleveland Browns fans were warning us about Lerner. In the early, benevolent days they looked ridiculous - now we see what they meant.
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Have enough goals in team and we could defend better we would have won against Swansea and WBA.
Need to tighten and god help me but play like Stoke ,win ugly now
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we must give ourselves the best chance by doing the only thing we can do and get behind the team once again.
The crowd was fantastic on Tuesday. How'd that work out?
I agree, we have given fantastic support but we HAVE to carry on doing that. There is nothing else we can do that is positive, and we need positivity right now or we are truly sunk.
Imagine the young and less experienced players, how will it help them if we do anything other then cheer for them.
Whatever issue we have with the management of the club at every level, its what happens on the pitch that counts right now.
This is where we are and nothing will change before the end of the season off the pitch. All I am asking is we continue to give the team our support. There have been severral games where if we had taken our chances we would have won, les hold on to that and who knows, if they start going in we could get something yet.
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For the comments about overreaction, at exactly what stage is it ok to react? I think once the manager is saying 'we're not spending money avoiding relegation, in case it doesn't work' when you're 4th bottom in the league. That is the right time to get fucking pissed off and depressed with the running of the club.
massive overeaction,
evidently we are going to do a Sheff Wednesday if we dont buy this window.
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To all FANS its time for action
I'm not so sure, I think we should keep it as a Secret Affair.
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To all FANS its time for action
I'm not so sure, I think we should keep it as a Secret Affair.
Applauds.
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I have been living in a cave the past few days and have only just read this.
I am not sure I can be bothered to make the 420 mile round trip to Millwall, I am not sure I can be bothered to go on Tuesday against Newcastle or again, as it is clear there is just no fucking point.
Lerner and your management cronies, you just defy words. I am completely bemused by it all. I am staggered that there is not interest in protecting his investment. I said a few weeks ago that relegation would lead to oblivion and it seems it will.
This squad would struggle to be promoted, it will lose the few bits of quality it has and potentially sink further.
Why is Lerner doing this? We know he is a moron, but such abject behaviour, giving up and accepting relegation? Why?
We are the most badly run and ramshackle outfit in the land.
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Reading this has really riled me. I sent a link to my dad also a big Villa fan. We live pretty close to Paul Faulkner so I wanted to see what he thought about penning him a letter and poking it through his letter box. This was his response, which is hard to argue with:
'Yes I saw this last night and it is reported in the papers today. I don't think a letter will make any difference because the plan is:
1. Lock down on all expenditure so there will be no signings or loan players As soon as season finishes a fire sale of the big earners with no relegation clauses in their contracts i.e. Dunne, Given, Bent, Warnock, N'Zogbia, Hutton, Ireland Agbonlahor i.e. what Blues are trying to do now with Butland, Davies etc
3. Get best prices for the other players who are or might be good enough for Premiership or another European League - Vlaar, Benteke and Weimann for certain and possibly Clark - though I don't rate Clark that highly
4. Don't sack the manager or the coaches - leave that to the next owner to decide and pay for - see below
5. Try everything and anything to get somebody/anybody to buy the club asap once relegation confirmed - Lerner will be prepared to take a hit on his loans to the club just so he never has to come near the place again but he's got the problem that any prospective buyer will wait for all of the above to happen and then buy as cheap as possible and run it like a Notts Forest or Derby County - living on past glory whilst kicking around the Championship and Div 1 from year to year
6. Faulkener is a complete irrelevance to all of the above because his job is simply to execute what Lerner decides -and tells him to do he has no authority to make any decisions at alll - AVFC is a private limited companyin which all the shares are owned by Randy.
7. In the meantime leave Lambert to fron tall the press and media with the rope around his neck waiting to walk to the trap door - just as they did with McLeish before him
So personally I wouldn't waste the ink on a letter to the tea boy.'
Isn't this the plot to "Major League"? Also, what happens should we stay up?
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Surely the best thing to do isn't to start refusing to buy anything in the ground, refusing to go to games, waving banners etc etc - all things suggested in previous pages - but to get behind the team, to show the board that whilst they may be thinking of going down without a fight, we aren't.
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So we won't spend to stay in the league ..so IF we got down and IF we get back up does Lerner think ,bearing in mind extra TV cash other clubs got we are not going to have to spend then.Guys a prize muppet.
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Support the team is all we can do, and just hope we stay up. Every other poster has covered the lot so not a lot more to say.
Just support the team.
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What's Mr Woodhall's take on this? He's a Lerner fan...
Really? In what way?
In an inexplicable way.
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That statement from Lambert is pretty depressing. I still can't understand why, if what he says is true, he isn't pursuing the option of loan signings? And I don't mean Jermaine Frigging Jenas neither. At least it will bring some fresh impetus, shouldn't cost too much in wages, and will not impact on us if we get relegated. And it would look they were at least trying instead of just bending over and allowing the relegation dildo to be shoved up their shitters.
But what can we do, at least Doug was there to see the protests and have a go at, this clown might as well not exist.
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we must give ourselves the best chance by doing the only thing we can do and get behind the team once again.
The crowd was fantastic on Tuesday. How'd that work out?
We won 2-1. I'd take that for the rest of the season.
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For the comments about overreaction, at exactly what stage is it ok to react? I think once the manager is saying 'we're not spending money avoiding relegation, in case it doesn't work' when you're 4th bottom in the league. That is the right time to get fucking pissed off and depressed with the running of the club.
massive overeaction,
evidently we are going to do a Sheff Wednesday if we dont buy this window.
On the other hand there are some who believe we will 'walk the Championship'.
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Surely the best thing to do isn't to start refusing to buy anything in the ground, refusing to go to games, waving banners etc etc - all things suggested in previous pages - but to get behind the team, to show the board that whilst they may be thinking of going down without a fight, we aren't.
I doubt lerner would even bat an eyelid.
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What's Mr Woodhall's take on this? He's a Lerner fan...
Really? In what way?
In an inexplicable way.
Oh do please explain what you mean by this hilarious phrase.
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I think it's dangerous to assume that, were we to go down, we'd do a Newcastle and come back up. Newcastle used their relegation to shed a load of crud, and held on to their best players.
Our crud seems to be totally unshiftable, and the rest of the squad looks like it belongs in the championship, with a few exceptions - and they're all players who'd be off the minute we went down. The likes of Benteke, for example.
This year there's also the added incentive of missing out on the gigantic money pot which will only ecacerbate the gulf between the PL teams and the rest.
It's really not a good time to be drifting away and out of the top flight.
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Oh do please explain what you mean by this hilarious phrase.
You're an intelligent man Dave, it's self-explanatory.
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Surely the best thing to do isn't to start refusing to buy anything in the ground, refusing to go to games, waving banners etc etc - all things suggested in previous pages - but to get behind the team, to show the board that whilst they may be thinking of going down without a fight, we aren't.
EXACTLY!
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I feel sorry for Lambert in that the other two wankers are nowhere to be seen, Lerner and Faulkner are spineless ***** their policy is not to spend but Lambert is the one who has to face the press.
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A very depressing article. I try to be optimistic but it really doesn't seem like Lerner cares. Or he's completely misguided. Due to financial constraints I don't go to many games, perhaps around 10 a season. I love going though and if I could I'd go to more. That's slowly changing however, after Tuesday I was actually glad I haven't got another game lined up for the next month. These comments just confirm that feeling. If the owner doesn't give a s*** how can he expect us to?
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Surely the best thing to do isn't to start refusing to buy anything in the ground, refusing to go to games, waving banners etc etc - all things suggested in previous pages - but to get behind the team, to show the board that whilst they may be thinking of going down without a fight, we aren't.
EXACTLY!
People paying their hard earned money have a right to express their feelings however they wish as long as not offensive .
A supposed itk reckoned on here a few weeks back that lerner was battling severe depression and had lost interest in many things including villa- could this be a possible explanation for this odd situation ?
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If (A really big one, as all the signs seem to point one direction), we don't buy anyone, Lambert stays in the job, and we don't get relegated, we could be in a really good position to buy players in the summer. For me, this is the 'all eggs in one basket' approach that the board are hoping for/clinging to.
It looks very unlikely though.
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Surely the best thing to do isn't to start refusing to buy anything in the ground, refusing to go to games, waving banners etc etc - all things suggested in previous pages - but to get behind the team, to show the board that whilst they may be thinking of going down without a fight, we aren't.
I agree in a way but that also looks like we are accepting what is being thrown at us!
I don't like certain ideas such as walking out of the ground and not turning up because at this point it will have a negative effect on the players (if that's possible currently) but some kind of planned reaction done in the correct way will at least get through.
It's common knowledge of our Petrov applause so in the same way we can make ourselves heard that we will not accept what Learner is letting happen.
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Surely the best thing to do isn't to start refusing to buy anything in the ground, refusing to go to games, waving banners etc etc - all things suggested in previous pages - but to get behind the team, to show the board that whilst they may be thinking of going down without a fight, we aren't.
Then Lerner has downgraded us and we've just sat back and taken it?
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Surely the best thing to do isn't to start refusing to buy anything in the ground, refusing to go to games, waving banners etc etc - all things suggested in previous pages - but to get behind the team, to show the board that whilst they may be thinking of going down without a fight, we aren't.
EXACTLY!
People paying their hard earned money have a right to express their feelings however they wish as long as not offensive .
I dont disagree with that, all i am saying is that to protest now will not change a thing off the pitch but has got every chance of making things worse on the pitch.
We have the right to express our feelings, but also the choice as to whther or not it is the right time to.
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Right. Who has been sending hate mail to Lambert ? Daily Express says he has had hate mail sent to him. Get a life please whoever it is. No need.
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People are kidding themselves if we think Villa are gonna take the championship by storm once the youngsters develop under Lambchop. The likes of Westwood and Benteke won't be here - they'll be cherry picked in the summer and replaced by journeymen championship players in the hope we can get up on the cheap. We couldn't keep our best players when we were finishing 6th so there's no chance in the championship.
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I drafted a letter...
Dear Mr Lambert,
WTF are you doing?
Yours sincerely
Mr NZMAV
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If (A really big one, as all the signs seem to point one direction), we don't buy anyone, Lambert stays in the job, and we don't get relegated, we could be in a really good position to buy players in the summer. For me, this is the 'all eggs in one basket' approach that the board are hoping for/clinging to.
It looks very unlikely though.
If that was the scenario Learner will then think "well we stayed up and I didn't spend any money last season when we were in trouble so there's no reason to do it again"
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Surely the best thing to do isn't to start refusing to buy anything in the ground, refusing to go to games, waving banners etc etc - all things suggested in previous pages - but to get behind the team, to show the board that whilst they may be thinking of going down without a fight, we aren't.
Then Lerner has downgraded us and we've just sat back and taken it?
Then if we get relegated, we've not done everything we can to stop it.
Shouting at Lerner is not going to change anything. He doesn't go to matches, and I don't really believe this recently created image of him, with him sat like a Bond villain, getting every match beamed back to him via his own personal satellite feed, either.
The kids need confidence. They're not going to get that if they see people walking out after 30 minutes, or hear them getting thrown abuse at them - and throwing abuse at a chairman who clearly doesn't care, and isn't there anyway is not going to perk them up much, either.
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I drafted a letter...
Dear Mr Lambert,
WTF are you doing?
Yours sincerely
Mr NZMAV
Dear Mr NZMAV,
Im planning for relegation as per the bosses instruction's and I'm doing a hell of of a job at it.
Yours sincerely
Mr Lambert
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I think it's dangerous to assume that, were we to go down, we'd do a Newcastle and come back up. Newcastle used their relegation to shed a load of crud, and held on to their best players.
Our crud seems to be totally unshiftable, and the rest of the squad looks like it belongs in the championship, with a few exceptions - and they're all players who'd be off the minute we went down. The likes of Benteke, for example.
This year there's also the added incentive of missing out on the gigantic money pot which will only ecacerbate the gulf between the PL teams and the rest.
It's really not a good time to be drifting away and out of the top flight.
Not a chance would we cruise the Championship, and also as you say we'd be so far behind even if we did that we'd be knackered.
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Surely the best thing to do isn't to start refusing to buy anything in the ground, refusing to go to games, waving banners etc etc - all things suggested in previous pages - but to get behind the team, to show the board that whilst they may be thinking of going down without a fight, we aren't.
I doubt lerner would even bat an eyelid.
On the contrary he would probably think "they're so loyal! They'll still be behind the team when they're in the championship"...
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Then if we get relegated, we've not done everything we can to stop it.
Shouting at Lerner is not going to change anything. He doesn't go to matches, and I don't really believe this recently created image of him, with him sat like a Bond villain, getting every match beamed back to him via his own personal satellite feed, either.
The kids need confidence. They're not going to get that if they see people walking out after 30 minutes, or hear them getting thrown abuse at them - and throwing abuse at a chairman who clearly doesn't care, and isn't there anyway is not going to perk them up much, either.
That's the trick isn't it: to still support the team passionately but to still somehow register your extreme disapproval of how the club is being run.
I agree though. I keep saying that we have to give ourselves the best possible chance to stay up and giving certain players the dog's abuse isn't a part of that. I don't see how we could hammer Lerner and Faulkner for not doing all they can if we the supporters aren't also doing all we can.
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I drafted a letter...
Dear Mr Lambert,
WTF are you doing?
Yours sincerely
Mr NZMAV
Perfectly acceptable. I sent the same letter to Lerner and Faulkner. As of yet, no reply........Strange, don't you think? ;)
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Then if we get relegated, we've not done everything we can to stop it.
Shouting at Lerner is not going to change anything. He doesn't go to matches, and I don't really believe this recently created image of him, with him sat like a Bond villain, getting every match beamed back to him via his own personal satellite feed, either.
The kids need confidence. They're not going to get that if they see people walking out after 30 minutes, or hear them getting thrown abuse at them - and throwing abuse at a chairman who clearly doesn't care, and isn't there anyway is not going to perk them up much, either.
That's the trick isn't it: to still support the team passionately but to still somehow register your extreme disapproval of how the club is being run.
I agree though. I keep saying that we have to give ourselves the best possible chance to stay up and giving certain players the dog's abuse isn't a part of that. I don't see how we could hammer Lerner and Faulkner for not doing all they can if we the supporters aren't also doing all we can.
I agree completely that we need to still back the team BUT us doing nothing at all is mirroring the clubs behaviour. I would never protest in the ground unless every alternative had been exhausted but we defientely need a way to show Lerner/Faulkner that this isnt acceptable.
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Then if we get relegated, we've not done everything we can to stop it.
Shouting at Lerner is not going to change anything. He doesn't go to matches, and I don't really believe this recently created image of him, with him sat like a Bond villain, getting every match beamed back to him via his own personal satellite feed, either.
The kids need confidence. They're not going to get that if they see people walking out after 30 minutes, or hear them getting thrown abuse at them - and throwing abuse at a chairman who clearly doesn't care, and isn't there anyway is not going to perk them up much, either.
The only thing our team has left is us. Know is not the time to let them down, but time to support them more than ever. That's my view anyway.
That's the trick isn't it: to still support the team passionately but to still somehow register your extreme disapproval of how the club is being run.
I agree though. I keep saying that we have to give ourselves the best possible chance to stay up and giving certain players the dog's abuse isn't a part of that. I don't see how we could hammer Lerner and Faulkner for not doing all they can if we the supporters aren't also doing all we can.
I agree completely that we need to still back the team BUT us doing nothing at all is mirroring the clubs behaviour. I would never protest in the ground unless every alternative had been exhausted but we defientely need a way to show Lerner/Faulkner that this isnt acceptable.
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I agree completely that we need to still back the team BUT us doing nothing at all is mirroring the clubs behaviour. I would never protest in the ground unless every alternative had been exhausted but we defientely need a way to show Lerner/Faulkner that this isnt acceptable.
So, what is that way? There hasn't been a single suggestion that doesn't involve not backing the club in some way.
I'd guess the obvious way is to not renew your ST in the summer, which is what I imagine a lot of people do.
In the meantime, get behind them.
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With you on this one Paulie
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I agree completely that we need to still back the team BUT us doing nothing at all is mirroring the clubs behaviour. I would never protest in the ground unless every alternative had been exhausted but we defientely need a way to show Lerner/Faulkner that this isnt acceptable.
So, what is that way? There hasn't been a single suggestion that doesn't involve not backing the club in some way.
I'd guess the obvious way is to not renew your ST in the summer, which is what I imagine a lot of people do.
In the meantime, get behind them.
Thats the $64million question
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If we go down, we'll get behind them and carry on supporting them as ever.
We support the club and have an unbreakable bond with it.
It's the fucking imbeciles we have in charge that we have an objection to.
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So, what is that way? There hasn't been a single suggestion that doesn't involve not backing the club in some way.
I'd guess the obvious way is to not renew your ST in the summer, which is what I imagine a lot of people do.
In the meantime, get behind them.
The thing is, just staying away from VP doesn't really tell the club much. Are people staying away because of Lerner, Lambert, ticket prices, just due to results, style of football, the temperature of the pies?
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People are kidding themselves if we think Villa are gonna take the championship by storm once the youngsters develop under Lambchop. The likes of Westwood and Benteke won't be here - they'll be cherry picked in the summer and replaced by journeymen championship players in the hope we can get up on the cheap. We couldn't keep our best players when we were finishing 6th so there's no chance in the championship.
Exactly. It's like Lerner has thrown a TV out of a hotel window, it doesn't stop falling until its hit the floor - wherever that is. League 1, 2 or worse?
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I agree completely that we need to still back the team BUT us doing nothing at all is mirroring the clubs behaviour. I would never protest in the ground unless every alternative had been exhausted but we defientely need a way to show Lerner/Faulkner that this isnt acceptable.
So, what is that way? There hasn't been a single suggestion that doesn't involve not backing the club in some way.
I'd guess the obvious way is to not renew your ST in the summer, which is what I imagine a lot of people do.
In the meantime, get behind them.
I agree completely that we need to still back the team BUT us doing nothing at all is mirroring the clubs behaviour. I would never protest in the ground unless every alternative had been exhausted but we defientely need a way to show Lerner/Faulkner that this isnt acceptable.
So, what is that way? There hasn't been a single suggestion that doesn't involve not backing the club in some way.
I'd guess the obvious way is to not renew your ST in the summer, which is what I imagine a lot of people do.
In the meantime, get behind them.
Bang on.
We need to support the team and get behind them as much as possible, be that 12th man, especially at home. Villa Park needs to become the fortress it once was and we can do our part and hopefully so will the players.
We aren't relegated yet, and it is still within our power to not get relegated, but i think it's going to be a hard struggle, and a close run thing.
Not renewing season tickets next year, relegated or not, and picking matches is a fair idea, it would send a big message out to Randy etc, that the fans just aren't going to put up with this any longer. I just don't know what kind of a protest / action this season would send the right message.
However, rose tinted glasses coming on, all this might be a moot point come June.
It's not over until the fat lady sings, even if she is warming up in the wings. VTWD.
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So, what is that way? There hasn't been a single suggestion that doesn't involve not backing the club in some way.
I'd guess the obvious way is to not renew your ST in the summer, which is what I imagine a lot of people do.
In the meantime, get behind them.
The thing is, just staying away from VP doesn't really tell the club much. Are people staying away because of Lerner, Lambert, ticket prices, just due to results, style of football, the temperature of the pies?
What is does tell the club though is that less bums on seats = less £££s in their pockets.
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So, what is that way? There hasn't been a single suggestion that doesn't involve not backing the club in some way.
I'd guess the obvious way is to not renew your ST in the summer, which is what I imagine a lot of people do.
In the meantime, get behind them.
The thing is, just staying away from VP doesn't really tell the club much. Are people staying away because of Lerner, Lambert, ticket prices, just due to results, style of football, the temperature of the pies?
What is does tell the club though is that less bums on seats = less £££s in their pockets.
and then Lerner downsizes us even more and we play Walsall and Coventry in Lge one
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Thing is it's a catch 22. People boycott the club and/or stop spending at catering, club shop and so on, and it's even less likely we'll have money to spend to get out the mess we're in.
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For the comments about overreaction, at exactly what stage is it ok to react? I think once the manager is saying 'we're not spending money avoiding relegation, in case it doesn't work' when you're 4th bottom in the league. That is the right time to get fucking pissed off and depressed with the running of the club.
massive overeaction,
evidently we are going to do a Sheff Wednesday if we dont buy this window.
We could well that yes.
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Paul Faulkner 14th May 2012.
"I suppose a disaster would have been getting relegated but this was too close for comfort," Faulkner told BBC Radio Five Live.
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I understand the depression and anger, but I don't understand why so much of it is directed at Lambert for this.
He may not be covering himself in glory with the way he is getting the team playing, but in that interview he is just being honest about where the club is now. That's not his fault. The rot set in long before he got here.
I think it is an absolute disgrace that Lerner and Faulkner cower away from the media, leaving Lambert to hang out to dry like that, fielding questions on the club's finances.
As fans we undoubtedly deserve better, but I think Lambert deserve's better too.
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I know I have posted this before,but this is when the penny should of dropped for us all.And note the date 14th March 2012.
“We’re seeing some very talented young players in the reserve team who will also play a part next year.
Paul Faulkner.
Maybe this is why we never hear from the club.
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I understand the depression and anger, but I don't understand why so much of it is directed at Lambert for this.
He may not be covering himself in glory with the way he is getting the team playing, but in that interview he is just being honest about where the club is now. That's not his fault. The rot set in long before he got here.
I think it is an absolute disgrace that Lerner and Faulkner cower away from the media, leaving Lambert to hang out to dry like that, fielding questions on the club's finances.
As fans we undoubtedly deserve better, but I think Lambert deserve's better too.
Lerner faulkner lambert - all to blame !
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I understand the depression and anger, but I don't understand why so much of it is directed at Lambert for this.
He may not be covering himself in glory with the way he is getting the team playing, but in that interview he is just being honest about where the club is now. That's not his fault. The rot set in long before he got here.
I think it is an absolute disgrace that Lerner and Faulkner cower away from the media, leaving Lambert to hang out to dry like that, fielding questions on the club's finances.
As fans we undoubtedly deserve better, but I think Lambert deserve's better too.
Lerner faulkner lambert - all to blame !
How is Lambert to blame that there isn't the proverbial pot to piss in?
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I understand the depression and anger, but I don't understand why so much of it is directed at Lambert for this.
He may not be covering himself in glory with the way he is getting the team playing, but in that interview he is just being honest about where the club is now. That's not his fault. The rot set in long before he got here.
I think it is an absolute disgrace that Lerner and Faulkner cower away from the media, leaving Lambert to hang out to dry like that, fielding questions on the club's finances.
As fans we undoubtedly deserve better, but I think Lambert deserve's better too.
Lerner faulkner lambert - all to blame !
How is Lambert to blame that there isn't the proverbial pot to piss in?
Hes had £22m ! Tactics, team selections, formations , substitutions , failure to get players to perform, lack of motivation, no team spirit - take your pick.
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I understand the depression and anger, but I don't understand why so much of it is directed at Lambert for this.
He may not be covering himself in glory with the way he is getting the team playing, but in that interview he is just being honest about where the club is now. That's not his fault. The rot set in long before he got here.
I think it is an absolute disgrace that Lerner and Faulkner cower away from the media, leaving Lambert to hang out to dry like that, fielding questions on the club's finances.
As fans we undoubtedly deserve better, but I think Lambert deserve's better too.
Lerner faulkner lambert - all to blame !
How is Lambert to blame that there isn't the proverbial pot to piss in?
I don't care how much his hands have been tied, he should have been able to motivate this squad to beat division 4 Bradford Bastard City over 3 hours of football.
As much as Lerner should take most of the blame for the current situation of this club, Lambert is still a bit shit.
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I understand the depression and anger, but I don't understand why so much of it is directed at Lambert for this.
He may not be covering himself in glory with the way he is getting the team playing, but in that interview he is just being honest about where the club is now. That's not his fault. The rot set in long before he got here.
I think it is an absolute disgrace that Lerner and Faulkner cower away from the media, leaving Lambert to hang out to dry like that, fielding questions on the club's finances.
As fans we undoubtedly deserve better, but I think Lambert deserve's better too.
Lerner faulkner lambert - all to blame !
How is Lambert to blame that there isn't the proverbial pot to piss in?
Hes had £22m ! Tactics, team selections, formations , substitutions , failure to get players to perform, lack of motivation, no team spirit - take your pick.
I was referring purely to the interview at the start of this thread...there is plenty of other threads discussing everything else that has gone wrong.
Blaming Lambert for not being able to sign any players is just shooting the messenger.
£22m was spent on 7 players. That's an average of £3 million a player. I imagine the max wages any of those players is on is fairly low as well. You can't expect to buy players at that price and for them all to come in ready to compete in the PL. But that is what Lambert was asked to do. You might say he should have used the money to buy 3,4,5 players, but having brought 7 in, we realise it still isn't enough. Especially, when you consider that the majority of his signings have done quite well and played most of the games.
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jonzy85 completely on the money. We all know the manager has made mistakes but it is the here and now that matters. Teams around us are doing something about it. If we are not going to protect our Premiership status due to the financial state of the club that is for the CEO to explain. Keep the pressure on him let's have some answers.
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I agree completely that we need to still back the team BUT us doing nothing at all is mirroring the clubs behaviour. I would never protest in the ground unless every alternative had been exhausted but we defientely need a way to show Lerner/Faulkner that this isnt acceptable.
So, what is that way? There hasn't been a single suggestion that doesn't involve not backing the club in some way.
I'd guess the obvious way is to not renew your ST in the summer, which is what I imagine a lot of people do.
In the meantime, get behind them.
Can we not get behind the lads on the pitch for 95mins, but protest after outside as we have seen many times before for a lot less!
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Not sure if this article by lilly savage has been posted yet -
Fantastic as Bradford’s achievement may be in reaching the Capital One Cup final, I really fear for Aston Villa now.
When you are on the rebound from one of the most embarrassing results in your history - and I’m sorry, but losing to a League Two side over two legs is an embarrassment - Millwall is about the last place you would want to go for an FA Cup tie.
But Paul Lambert takes his team to The Den tonight with Villa on the verge of a crisis. I don’t think that’s too strong a word for it.
If they had made it to Wembley in one cup competition already, they could take on Millwall with a sense of freedom and perhaps keep some of their powder dry for a real six-pointer against Newcastle on Tuesday night.
Where does Lambert go from here? Straight into the transfer market, preferably.
Recently, I have spoken about the need for Villa’s experienced heads to come back and lead the way to safety - but against Bradford, there was no shortage of old heads in the team.
I could hardly believe my eyes when Ron Vlaar, of all people, lost James Hanson at the set piece which sent Bradford to Wembley.
And Villa had Shay Given, Stephen Ireland, Charles N’Zogbia and Barry Bannan in their line-up - with nearly 1,000 Premier League appearances between them.
I got absolutely slaughtered on Twitter, Facebook and Six-O-Six when I predicted Villa would go down in August, and I still hope it doesn’t happen because it’s a great club with a huge fan base and a real history.
But if experienced players are going to let them down when they need to step up and be counted, I am beginning the fear the worst - the unthinkable.
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People are kidding themselves if we think Villa are gonna take the championship by storm
There is no chance of that as we won't need to do that.
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I got absolutely slaughtered on Twitter, Facebook and Six-O-Six when I predicted Villa would go down in August, and I still hope it doesn’t happen because it’s a great club with a huge fan base and a real history.
He conveniently misses out the part where he was forced to admit he was wrong on the radio about 6 weeks ago. Prick.
He hopes it doesn't happen? I bet.
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How was he wrong and why should he care anyway? He played for Blues, he doesn't support them.
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Right now, it looks like he might be right. After the Liverpool game he ate a delicious slice of humble pie when someone called in his radio show. He changes his opinion more often than a Nose changes their clothes.
I don't care that he thinks we'll go down, it just irritates me he tries to come across like he knew we'd go down all along, and pretends he hasn't jumped from side to side. Minor gripe, I know.
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I'm lost now with Savage.
Does he think we'll be relegated or not?
Has he changed his mind again?
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it would be good if he said he thought we were going down as our luck would prob change
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Savage is a twat but he's absolutely 100% right.
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We are in a rut and when you look around the club there is no sign of any leadership from top to bottom. I can't pinpoint one person who will kick arses and show some fight and spirit to lead us out of this mess. We are currently heading for rock bottom at an alarming rate and no-one knows where the brake is. The fans will start to vote with their feet and I can't blame them.
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Damage is all but complete.
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The club is really heading down at a terrifying pace.
Meanwhile, Doogan is on the radio telling everyone it's all about the youngsters yada yada and we're all being negative, the chairman is doing whatever the fuck he does the other side of the Atlantic, the manager is parroting the same bollocks about how we go again, and we're not even remotely interested in getting new players.
They deserve everything they get.
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I made a big mistake in altering the thread title. Paulie is/was correct. They have given up.
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We don't though sadly. The youngsters are fucking rubbish for the most part and not young as well.
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we are young gutless and crap and thats a fact
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there is some plonkers on the radio . I need to stop listening to them.
Lambert knows what he's doing . ffs
Albrighton is a top player who does not get played ffs again
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Albrighton is chronically fucking useless.
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You know the saddest thing is that we fully deserve to go down. We're such a poorly run club who have been limping along for a while now. I hate that we're like this I really do, but if there was an argument based around performance as to which three clubs should go down we would definitely be one.
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You know the saddest thing is that we fully deserve to go down. We're such a poorly run club who have been limping along for a while now. I hate that we're like this I really do, but if there was an argument based around performance as to which three clubs should go down we would definitely be one.
If we go down, we can have absolutely no complaints.
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Albrighton is chronically fucking useless.
and injured
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You know the saddest thing is that we fully deserve to go down. We're such a poorly run club who have been limping along for a while now. I hate that we're like this I really do, but if there was an argument based around performance as to which three clubs should go down we would definitely be one.
We would be all three!
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Sometimes the little things say an awful lot.
This is a status update from the club's official Facebook page.
How casual and unbothered does this sound?
FT: Millwall 2-1 Villa: Paul Lambert's men are knocked out of the FA Cup at The Den. John Marquis scores the winner with two minutes remaining from close range after his initial header comes back off the bar. Now on to the big Barclays Premier League clash with Newcastle United on Tuesday.
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We could have had no complaints last season if we had got relegated or the first 30 League Games under inspector Clueless - thankfully we had half a dozen games to put it right then.
I do detect a slight glee in the mainstream media at our plight though - similar to Newcastle
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Sometimes the little things say an awful lot.
This is a status update from the club's official Facebook page.
How casual and unbothered does this sound?
FT: Millwall 2-1 Villa: Paul Lambert's men are knocked out of the FA Cup at The Den. John Marquis scores the winner with two minutes remaining from close range after his initial header comes back off the bar. Now on to the big Barclays Premier League clash with Newcastle United on Tuesday.
Well that makes it all ok then doesn't it. Fucking arseholes.
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We need to purge the club.
The CEO needs to be executed for crimes against the revolution. A true leader installed and a Villa man who knows the club, cares for the club and knows the game to be a conduit between the CEO and a new manager. Lambert obviously requires a good purging also for crimes of staggering tactical ineptitude.
Then the players. The great kulak horders of wealth and offerers of much shitness, this class must be liquidated. Bannan should be placed in a trebuchet with a group of angry badgers, some with TB and some without. He should be fired towards Northfield.
Clark, Bennett, Albrighton, Holman, Given and others should be cleansed from the club. Maybe a dunking in the cut. If they float, then they are witches and should be burnt with fire. If they sink, then so what.
As for Lerner, well, Kaiser Sosa
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You know the saddest thing is that we fully deserve to go down. We're such a poorly run club who have been limping along for a while now. I hate that we're like this I really do, but if there was an argument based around performance as to which three clubs should go down we would definitely be one.
If we go down, we can have absolutely no complaints.
Given that it is looking like a very low points total will be enough to keep clubs up, the three that go down will certainly have no room for complaints or excuses.
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We need to purge the club.
The CEO needs to be executed for crimes against the revolution. A true leader installed and a Villa man who knows the club, cares for the club and knows the game to be a conduit between the CEO and a new manager. Lambert obviously requires a good purging also for crimes of staggering tactical ineptitude.
Then the players. The great kulak horders of wealth and offerers of much shitness, this class must be liquidated. Bannan should be placed in a trebuchet with a group of angry badgers, some with TB and some without. He should be fired towards Northfield.
Clark, Bennett, Albrighton, Holman, Given and others should be cleansed from the club. Maybe a dunking in the cut. If they float, then they are witches and should be burnt with fire. If they sink, then so what.
As for Lerner, well, Kaiser Sosa
Brilliant
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Sometimes the little things say an awful lot.
This is a status update from the club's official Facebook page.
How casual and unbothered does this sound?
FT: Millwall 2-1 Villa: Paul Lambert's men are knocked out of the FA Cup at The Den. John Marquis scores the winner with two minutes remaining from close range after his initial header comes back off the bar. Now on to the big Barclays Premier League clash with Newcastle United on Tuesday.
"Don't forget to pick up your tickets for the Newcastle match!"
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Sometimes the little things say an awful lot.
This is a status update from the club's official Facebook page.
How casual and unbothered does this sound?
FT: Millwall 2-1 Villa: Paul Lambert's men are knocked out of the FA Cup at The Den. John Marquis scores the winner with two minutes remaining from close range after his initial header comes back off the bar. Now on to the big Barclays Premier League clash with Newcastle United on Tuesday.
"Don't forget to pick up your tickets for the Newcastle match!"
Ha ha, 'match'.
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Sometimes the little things say an awful lot.
This is a status update from the club's official Facebook page.
How casual and unbothered does this sound?
FT: Millwall 2-1 Villa: Paul Lambert's men are knocked out of the FA Cup at The Den. John Marquis scores the winner with two minutes remaining from close range after his initial header comes back off the bar. Now on to the big Barclays Premier League clash with Newcastle United on Tuesday.
"Don't forget to pick up your tickets for the Newcastle match!"
it's not complete though unless they say "Cheer on Lambert's Lions..."
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Had a good chat with a fellow Villa fan this morning about which away games we will go to in the Championship. In a weird way it cheered us up.
Acceptance.
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Loving it!!
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We need to purge the club.
The CEO needs to be executed for crimes against the revolution. A true leader installed and a Villa man who knows the club, cares for the club and knows the game to be a conduit between the CEO and a new manager. Lambert obviously requires a good purging also for crimes of staggering tactical ineptitude.
Then the players. The great kulak horders of wealth and offerers of much shitness, this class must be liquidated. Bannan should be placed in a trebuchet with a group of angry badgers, some with TB and some without. He should be fired towards Northfield.
Clark, Bennett, Albrighton, Holman, Given and others should be cleansed from the club. Maybe a dunking in the cut. If they float, then they are witches and should be burnt with fire. If they sink, then so what.
As for Lerner, well, Kaiser Sosa
Far too cruel. Northfield!!!??
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Had a good chat with a fellow Villa fan this morning about which away games we will go to in the Championship. In a weird way it cheered us up.
Acceptance.
After last night, the thought of Friday Night Football fills me with dread.
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Haven't we all accepted it yet?
NO ! UTV and i hope the players and lambo dont have such a defeatest attitude. Still have plenty to play for and we are not even in the bottom 3! I just wonder with a thread like this what people will be like if we do stay up. Those comments Lambert made make sense. He also said we wont go down and that he is no quitter. UTV :)
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NO!
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I think the club seems to have accepted the possibility of it but not that they should be doing anything to prevent it.
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Show me the evidence that they have not accepted the inevitability of relegation.
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Theres seems to be a 'what will be will be' vibe from the club now. A few signings would show they're going to fight it.
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Show me the evidence that they have not accepted the inevitability of relegation.
Look at all the players we have invested in this transfer window...
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Show me the evidence that they have not accepted the inevitability of relegation.
Show me the evidence that they have.
They appear to have accepted that it's a possibility but any 'evidence' you present will be your own interpretation.
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Show me the evidence that they have not accepted the inevitability of relegation.
Show me the evidence that they have.
They appear to have accepted that it's a possibility but any 'evidence' you present will be your own interpretation.
The lack of signings so far, in a window where we definitely need new blood, suggests it.
The comments from the manger re the likelihood of new signings, too.
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I think they're expecting to go down and accordingly have decided not to spend on new players.
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I think they're expecting to go down and accordingly have decided not to spend on new players.
Indeed. Somewhat performative thinking, it has to be said. It's also fecking stupid.
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Show me the evidence that they have not accepted the inevitability of relegation.
Show me the evidence that they have.
They appear to have accepted that it's a possibility but any 'evidence' you present will be your own interpretation.
The lack of signings so far, in a window where we definitely need new blood, suggests it.
The comments from the manger re the likelihood of new signings, too.
I agree that's one way of looking at it, but it's still just an interpretation when Brian was talking about 'evidence'. I think they've been so stung by the problem of having expensive, non contributing players on the books that they've now gone to almost the opposite extreme. I think they've accepted it as a possibility but, as we have before, that we can get out of it without putting any additional strain on finances.
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I genuinely don't think we can, this team needs investment to stand a decent chance of survival. It doesn't have to be loads of money, but £10 million could save us.
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I think they've accepted it as a possibility but, as we have before, that we can get out of it without putting any additional strain on finances.
Seems an almighty gamble to be taking.
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I think they've accepted it as a possibility but, as we have before, that we can get out of it without putting any additional strain on finances.
Seems an almighty gamble to be taking.
I agree.
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I think they've accepted it as a possibility but, as we have before, that we can get out of it without putting any additional strain on finances.
Seems an almighty gamble to be taking.
I agree.
Blimey. Stop the internet.
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First laugh of the weekend. Thank you!
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I think they've accepted it as a possibility but, as we have before, that we can get out of it without putting any additional strain on finances.
Seems an almighty gamble to be taking.
I agree.
Blimey. Stop the internet.
You can always tell how desperate a situation is when you start agreeing with people you never did before. Like Piers Morgan on the guns in America.
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I think they've accepted it as a possibility but, as we have before, that we can get out of it without putting any additional strain on finances.
Seems an almighty gamble to be taking.
I agree.
Blimey. Stop the internet.
Ha ha ha.
This piece of the internet needs a blue plaque nailed to it.
"On this thread in 2013, Chris Smith and Hilts Coolerking found themselves in agreement ..."
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I woulnt call it a gamble more like playing Russian Roulette, but with no blanks
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I think I've sussed what's going on.
We're the victims of disaster capitalism. The club are employing 'shock therapy' to us, hitting us with so much fear and confusion that eventually we'll accept a new reality, which will be jobbing between the middle two divisions.
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Ha ha ha.
This piece of the internet needs a blue plaque nailed to it.
"On this thread in 2013, Chris Smith and Hilts Coolerking found themselves in agreement ..."
It's made me take a long hard look at myself. *takes long hard look at self*
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I think they've accepted it as a possibility but, as we have before, that we can get out of it without putting any additional strain on finances.
Seems an almighty gamble to be taking.
I agree.
Blimey. Stop the internet.
Ha ha ha.
This piece of the internet needs a blue plaque nailed to it.
"On this thread in 2013, Chris Smith and Hilts Coolerking found themselves in agreement ..."
I'm on a slippery slope, aren't I. Start agreeing with people on here and in no time at all you're believing the wildest of conspiracy theories and blaming Martin O'Neill for your inability to find a matching pair of socks in the draw.
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I think they've accepted it as a possibility but, as we have before, that we can get out of it without putting any additional strain on finances.
Seems an almighty gamble to be taking.
I agree.
Blimey. Stop the internet.
Ha ha ha.
This piece of the internet needs a blue plaque nailed to it.
"On this thread in 2013, Chris Smith and Hilts Coolerking found themselves in agreement ..."
I'm on a slippery slope, aren't I. Start agreeing with people on here and in no time at all you're believing the wildest of conspiracy theories and blaming Martin O'Neill for your inability to find a matching pair of socks in the draw.
Today i've been forced into sporting one with Saturday on it and Tuesday on the other. I blame Nicola Keye personally.
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Quck Chris, before it's too late.
O'Leary's a twat.
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Chris is right Lerner got pissed of with mon for having so many expensive players on the books who never kicked a ball in anger, he picked the same eleven every week even when they were playing shit. There will be last day transfers as no other club will have time to outbid us.
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Quick Chris, before it's too late.
O'Leary's a twat.
You had to push it that one step too far didn't you....
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Quck Chris, before it's too late.
O'Leary's a twat.
Er, cough, er, well, ahem, yes, I know.