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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on December 28, 2012, 06:33:35 PM
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Available Saturday afternoon.
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Villa
Guzan
Clark
Herd
Lowton
Lichaj
Bennett
Ireland
Holman
Bannan
Benteke
Weimann
Given, Westwood, Bowery, El Ahmadi, Carruthers, Stevens, Albright
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Off to VP now. Shit weather again hope it's not a shit result.
COME ON VILLA
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MUST WIN!
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COME ON LADS!!!
1-0 Benteke
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Interesting selection. Westwood must have a niggle or run out of legs, as he and Bannan together have been a bright spot. The midfield looks very, very lightweight, but I am pleased Lowton looks like he is dropping into the back 2/3. Interesting to see if Herd plays in the back 3 or shielding a back 4.
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8-0 Villa
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Sorry to see Westwood left out , nice to see Weimann back in .
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My guess for formation is:
--------------Guzan
Lichaj-Lowton-Herd-Clark-Bennett
------Ireland-Bannan-Holman
--------Benteke-Weiman
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Need a big game from Ireland today. When's he's on song we just look so much more fluent.
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Sorry to see Westwood left out , nice to see Weimann back in .
Can only think Westwood's done in. Started every game of last 10-12 and for his first run in the prem, he has covered a lot of ground lately. Resting him I can understand, I think Bannan was rested against Spurs to give us one or the other in these games. Bannan's hollywoods are more likely to catch Wigan out than Spurs too. I hope it is a bit more 4-2-3-1 though, with Herd playing holding than at the back.
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wasn't expecting Weimann to play . thats a bonus at least
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Westwood out I'm gutted about, but guess he's tired. However Weimann back is great news. Come on you Villa boys.
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Need a big game from Ireland today. When's he's on song we just look so much more fluent.
Never gonna happen.
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Important we don't lose. It is a six pointer but a draw wouldn't be a complete disaster. They need the three points more than we do. I always thought 19 points after this game would have us on course to stay up. I still think we will have a better second half of the season and could get another 20+ points.
Come on Villa!!
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I don't care how you do it, Villa, just do it.
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Weimann brings the best from Benteke so him being fit and available is a huge bonus.
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I don't care how you do it, Villa, just do it.
Well said. Would take any kind of win today.
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Come on lads. Focus and fight!
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Important we don't lose. It is a six pointer but a draw wouldn't be a complete disaster. They need the three points more than we do. I always thought 19 points after this game would have us on course to stay up. I still think we will have a better second half of the season and could get another 20+ points.
Come on Villa!!
My feelings exactly...
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Afternoon gents.
Let's fooking do these.
By all means necessary.
3-1 Villa
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Can't even get this on the wireless today.
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Important we don't lose. It is a six pointer but a draw wouldn't be a complete disaster. They need the three points more than we do. I always thought 19 points after this game would have us on course to stay up. I still think we will have a better second half of the season and could get another 20+ points.
Come on Villa!!
My feelings exactly...
Great minds... a win would ease the tension though!
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Wigan changed the match ball when the ref was doing the coin toss.
It was quite deliberate.
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oh noo
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Fuck me
Marking Villa!
Fucking shit
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That should have been a pen. Oh fuck.
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Fucking hell.
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Oh BOLLOCKS
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Great.
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Guzan should have had that.
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Absolutely criminal defending.
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Thats it, we're down
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Is this going to be another rout?
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Fuck it
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Great start...
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Fuck me - a shot!
We can win this.
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Ireland get stuck in FFS!!!
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Right Villa you now stare at doom, sort you fucking selves out and grow a pair.
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blimey
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Poo.
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Holman is awful isn't he in this system!
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Thats it, we're down
bit early for that, keep the faith...
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We're being taken apart by Wigan at home.
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Poor defending from corner, sloppy goal to concede and we could easily have had pen against us, dreadful start , we look very edgy.
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∞Thats it, we're down
bit early for that, keep the faith...
My faith is being tested...
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That defending was absolutely criminal. Step it up Villa, show some fucking bottle.
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Can tell the glee in Trevor Francis voice how he's loving this.
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This midfield is far too unbalanced for me and Holman for all is enviable workrate cannot control a ball half the time. We have to get something out of this but I feared an early goal more than anything else. The players will be panicking.
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if anyone would care to sent me a PM I would be happy to receive it...
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Very lucky not to have 2 pens against us now. Jesus edgy is not the word.
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We're lucky that the referee is being lenient.
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What the hell should be 3 down!
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Wigan should've had 2 pens already.
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Looks like two pens they could have had now.
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Why are Aston Villa such a massive pile of shit?
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just seen the goal . defending awful , benteke looked at fault
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Ireland had shirked tackles and got away with blatant fouling so far.
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I am not even sure what he can do to change this but the writing is looking very much on ther wall already today.
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5 at the back is not working should move herd into midfield!
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should have been a penalty then; Ireland on Maloney
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we are so bad, it's boring. come on Villa, you can win this lads!
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What the FUCK is Benteke doing? He's looked pissed up for a good three games in a row now.
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Why are Aston Villa such a massive pile of shit?
Club is run by clowns.
Who would have thought that six years into the takeover we'd be in our third straight season of fighting relegation?
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we dont look good ;(
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Southampton winning...we've just dropped into the relegation zone. Never thought I'd say this but...come on Stoke!!
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Whats happened to Christians lay offs....that was a godd part of his game!!
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We are fucking awful at the moment.
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It's a total shambles at the moment.
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Stream just kicked in. We look all over the place and I'm not sure about the team selection either.
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Southampton and Reading both in front early too.
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We constantly look like we're panicking.
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Trev you dick...its Guzan, not Gooseman!
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we are making wigan look like barcelona ffs..
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This is just not good enough. We are playing the 3rd worst team in the country at home and we've barely had the ball. Wake up!
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are we playing away against Barcalona here
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We're getting the run around by fucking Wigan. I repeat Aston Villa players step the fuck up.
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We look bloody awful. The midfield looked light, and can't get the ball at all.
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Why are Aston Villa such a massive pile of shit?
Club is run by clowns.
Who would have thought that six years into the takeover we'd be in our third straight season of fighting relegation?
Yeah.
It gets me down cause I don't think I enjoy football anymore.
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This is just not good enough. We are playing the 3rd worst team in the country at home and we've barely had the ball. Wake up!
They're playing the worst team in the league.
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Do we really miss Gabby that much...we've been really bad since his injury
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Big clubs like Villa, Everton and Spurs will have the odd season of struggle and then move to ensure it doesn't happen again. We are falling into making it a habit.
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We should be 3 down already , horrendous so far , making Wigan look like Barcelona.
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Do we really miss Gabby that much...we've been really bad since his injury
Since 2010 more like.
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Diabolically shit. Home to Wigan, we're penned into our own half!
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Do we really miss Gabby that much...we've been really bad since his injury
I don't miss him at all- he's not good enough either.
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This is just not good enough. We are playing the 3rd worst team in the country at home and we've barely had the ball. Wake up!
They're playing the worst team in the league.
You know, on our day we are comfortably the worst team I've seen this season.
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Why haven't we sacked Alex McLeish yet?
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Fucking hell our midfield and defence are just terrible at distribution at the moment.
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Herd and Lichaj together down our right are a nightmare. Need to go 4 at the back, whip off Herd and get Westwood into the middle. ASAP.
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Do we really miss Gabby that much...we've been really bad since his injury
Since 2010 more like.
Which is about the last time Gabby was any good!
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you almost get the impression Lambert is lost for ideas and confidence. It can't help when he looks down at his available players and sees names he barely recognises
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As Ned Flanders would say:
We're done diddly done for.
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Need Westwood on - we can't keep the ball.
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Why are Aston Villa such a massive pile of shit?
Club is run by clowns.
Who would have thought that six years into the takeover we'd be in our third straight season of fighting relegation?
Clowns who dont seem to give a fuck...
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Apparently we have had 30% possession. This is humiliating.
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it's this dreadful formation that does it for me...useless Villa, get a grip
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Hi all. Just logged in.
WTF?! what was their goal like?
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Thanks chaps, you know who you are.
WIBBLE
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One thing ive noticed that all of a sudden we run all over the place chasing the ball like under 9's on a Sunday. Pick a man up and stick with him like the good ole italians.
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Get that nonce Ireland off. Makes Downing look like Chopper Harris on the blob.
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We are shit.
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Switch to four at the back now Lambert! Do it!
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Herd and Lichaj together down our right are a nightmare. Need to go 4 at the back, whip off Herd and get Westwood into the middle. ASAP.
Yep Herd is so overrated by some Villa fans, he's not up to much at all.
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28% possession at home to Wigan- shocking.
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Southampton winning at Stoke.
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Not much fight or passion?
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Hi all. Just logged in.
WTF?! what was their goal like?
Basic. Corner, Benteke lost his man. Easy header from edge of 6 yard box.
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28% possession at home to Wigan- shocking.
Im not one for stats but thats bloody awful
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Also our midfield three is not at all suited to being a midfield three. Holman can't play there.
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In the relegation zone now.........
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I think it's clear that points aren't everything in football - the manner of our defeat at Chelsea has just completely destroyed us confidence-wise well beyond the points lost. The Spurs thing was kind of inevitable, and this couldn't look less like a side who beat Norwich and Liverpool an aggregate 7-2 in a week. They look down and out.
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Southampton winning at Stoke.
Drawing now
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We just don't get near anyone, our fitness seems to be awful.
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this is shocking . Herd is awful
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this is shocking . Herd is awful
Indeed.
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ireland is the worst at the moment, but getting raped on the flanks
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I dislike the way our defence sits waaaay too deep. Push the play up ffs
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Bannan is the only one of the midfielders who's trying to get on the ball, Holman and Ireland have been dire.
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ffs could have been 2-0
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Thank fuck Maloney is shit...
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This is incredible. They're all over us. Wigan.
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Need to move herd into midfield!
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Should have been two nil, Lichaj is fucking useless at right or left back.
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Not getting any better whatsoever. Lambert needs to change it and change it now.
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I mean honestly let's start thinking about it. What is the difference so far between the first half of last season and the first half of this season?
I can't think of much. Different players but same old shit performances with the odd good result;Chelsea away last season, Liverpool away this season.
We're still in the bottom 4/5 (3?) and our owner doesn't say or do anything.
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They all look like they are pissed.
Terrible stuff.
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I dislike the way our defence sits waaaay too deep. Push the play up ffs
It's the three at the back problem. The midfield is overrun and they're getting forced back.
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I must say I have never seen a Villa side unable to play football as much as this team today, they currently look like a Sunday league team who had a night on the piss last night.
Atrocious.
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Need to move herd into midfield!
Nope off the pitch, he's just not very good.
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we are being out classed by fucking Wigan, time to start thinking the worst...
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I hate to say it but the last 3 games now have been worse than watching a Mcleish team. This 3 man midfield is being shit on every game
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Get Benteke off. Fuck this 5-3-2 wank off. Fuck that left-back of ours off.
In fact just scrap it all and get in a new squad in January. This is worse than McLeish.
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Is it that bad?
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our belief has been destroyed. The Chelsea game was going to do one of two things. Get a strong positive reaction or exactly the opposite. There is not one string personaility in that starting line up and we are being torn a new one by every team now. The injuries need to clear up fast, players need to be bought or we are going in one direction. It was horrible last year and unless there is a Christmas miracle and sharpish it could be a lot worse in 2013.
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This is as bad as anything I've seen - we could be 4 or 5 down here- utterly unacceptable , lambert needs to look at his transfer policy and get experience in here, we are utterly shit.
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Wigan have so much space because the 3 in midfield are just following the ball like dicks.
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Is it that bad?
yep. The direction and feeling we had has all but fucked off.
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Holman and Ireland are running each other close for the worst performance of the season. I would have them both off.
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Holman's touch is fucking absymal.
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What a depressing spectacle.
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how have we gone from winning 3-1 at anfield to this in so short a period of time?
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Fuck, Southampton have scored again.
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It's like they're all stoned. Unreal, must be the worst display in the league all year by any team.
5 at the back FFS.
Can feel a red card coming on too.
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FFS Ireland what was that?!!
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worse injuries then McClown had, Vlaar, Dunne, Gabby, Bent all experienced pros, all injured, the kids need protection from thir shell shocked couple of games
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I know we're not playing very well. And it's 0-13. But it's a confidence thing. We're ridden our luck so far and I think if we get one we'll get six (five for Benteke).
Nice stuff this Ileach single malt.
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We are so unbalanced in this 5-3-2 formation, the players look like they do not have a clue what they are doing.
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Fucking Ireland is second to EVERY single ball. Every one. Get him OFF.
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It's like Aston Villa has cancer. There is something badly, badly wrong at the club. We can all feel it.
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Soton back up at Stoke
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shame to hear it's so bad. Nothing on the radio just the odd report.
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how have we gone from winning 3-1 at anfield to this in so short a period of time?
it almost feels like the win at Chelsea last season followed by complete bollocks pretty much thereafter
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Can sense the fans are beginning to turn here- lets be honest this is worse than anything Mcleish dished up.
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it feels good to shout abuse, but what good will it do really? It's a fucking dreadful experience supporting Villa at present..BUT...come on lads!!!!!!!!!
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As if this aint bad enough I am trying to explain to a nose why calling Spurs Yids is not acceptable.... fuck it, bed time
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Herd is fucking useless he really is.
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Fact is that basically 5 youth team/ reserves/ championship players arent good enough.
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Can sense the fans are beginning to turn here- lets be honest this is worse than anything Mcleish dished up.
It's not worse. But it is as bad.
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We should buy Southampton's two best players in Jan...just to ensure they're worse than us for the final few months...
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Even Reading are winning.
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The problem is the 5-3-2 is fine with the right men in the right places. Without that, it is awful.
Ireland is a fucking disgrace.
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another chance wigan
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My god we are so shit
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Dreadful.
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Herd off Westwood on please!!!!!
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Fucking Ireland is second to EVERY single ball. Every one. Get him OFF.
Absolutely, he is truly dreadful today.
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Come on Villa!
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plenty of time, we WILL still win this, believe in Villa, keep the faith VTID
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Up to 33% possession. Growing in to the game, we are.
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Fucking Ireland is second to EVERY single ball. Every one. Get him OFF.
I would play him in the stiffs until his contract runs out. Dispicable player.
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Playing 3 in midfield is one thing. Playing Ireland-Bannan-Holman as that 3 is insanity.
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a bit more urgency now, just a slow start thats all
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Come on the Villa!!! Can't get a stream, but do I really want one?
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Showed a bit of fight there.
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I wouldn't be surprised if we hear a little booing at half time, if things don't improve.
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Ireland for Westwood, Herd for Albrighton and try and get the ball forward a bit!
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Playing 3 in midfield is one thing. Playing Ireland-Bannan-Holman as that 3 is insanity.
The are in there to keep the ball. They aren't keeping the ball, therefore are redundant.
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Playing 3 in midfield is one thing. Playing Ireland-Bannan-Holman as that 3 is insanity.
thing is it's meant to be a flexible 5 with the two wide defenders pushing up and helping the attack. Kind of what Spurs do but we have significantly worse players that can't do it at all.
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I wouldn't be surprised if we hear a little booing at half time, if things don't improve.
There should be a lot. For all the reasons why the team are struggling, too many are playing like tools.
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I have tried so hard to be positive and upbeat but it's so fecking hard....
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We're giving balls away like croutons at a soup kitchen.
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Why isn't he changing things- get Westwood on for Ireland and Carruthers for Holman.
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Come on the Villa!!! Can't get a stream, but do I really want one?
PM me ;)
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Sad thing is I do not see anyone on the bench who will make a difference from an attacking point of view. We might be able to solidify but that is all. Depressing.
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Playing 3 in midfield is one thing. Playing Ireland-Bannan-Holman as that 3 is insanity.
The are in there to keep the ball. They aren't keeping the ball, therefore are redundant.
To keep the ball they've first got to win it. And none of those 3 of are ball winners.
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I wouldn't be surprised if we hear a little booing at half time, if things don't improve.
Our fans have taken an awful lot of crap for the past two years and have been incredibly patient this season.
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Oh fuck a corner
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Playing 3 in midfield is one thing. Playing Ireland-Bannan-Holman as that 3 is insanity.
It's three in midfield, but our lack of numbers in wide areas means the three are having to try and help out the full-backs, leaving it as more like two in midfield. Worst of both worlds.
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wigan are loving it this
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is that ****** Ireland still on the pitch?
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Why isn't he changing things- get Westwood on for Ireland and Carruthers for Holman.
This...I'd be tempted to give Stevens a run out too...
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I wish I supported Wigan.
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If we win this it's all down to Weimann he's the only one on the field who has done ok!
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Playing 3 in midfield is one thing. Playing Ireland-Bannan-Holman as that 3 is insanity.
The are in there to keep the ball. They aren't keeping the ball, therefore are redundant.
To keep the ball they've first got to win it. And none of those 3 of are ball winners.
Yep.
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I wish I supported Wigan.
no you don't
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is that c*** Ireland still on the pitch?
he doesn't give a shit, his body language says everything.
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Too many players who are not good enough.
Too much expected of too many young players.
A squad that really belongs in the Championship.
Major investment required in January, or we're in very deep trouble.
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Only 2 in the box? Do we have a midfield?
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If PL doesn't take Ireland off at HT, then he can join the pile of wank that is MON and TSM.
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This Joe Bennett bloke looks awful.
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I wish I supported Wigan.
no you don't
Indeed
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Possibly the worse cross I've ever seen.
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Gordon Bennett
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It was getting better, then that from Bennet. Christ.
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bennett ;(
great ball by Ireland to Benteke at last
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This Joe Bennett bloke looks awful.
I haven't seen a single thing from him this season which makes me think he might turn out to be good enough.
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Fulham are getting sucked down.
I'd bite your arm off for a draw today now.
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This Joe Bennett bloke looks awful.
Reading this about a incredible amount of players today.
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Too many players who are not good enough.
Too much expected of too many young players.
A squad that really belongs in the Championship.
Major investment required in January, or we're in very deep trouble.
Our first 11 is good enough to be lower mid table while the kids learn, but losing so many at once has really killed us.
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Too many players who are not good enough.
Too much expected of too many young players.
A squad that really belongs in the Championship.
Major investment required in January, or we're in very deep trouble.
Our first 11 is good enough to be lower mid table while the kids learn, but losing so many at once has really killed us.
I disagree. We've next to no quality, and too many kids.
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Herd, Lichaj, Bennett and Holman look awful.
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Reading 1-0 up v West Ham.
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fuck me....
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fuck offside good move thou
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Too many players who are not good enough.
Too much expected of too many young players.
A squad that really belongs in the Championship.
Major investment required in January, or we're in very deep trouble.
Our first 11 is good enough to be lower mid table while the kids learn, but losing so many at once has really killed us.
a side that would include Vlaar, Gabby, Petrov, Dunne, Bent used properly mixed in with the right kids would not be in this much trouble.
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That was much better.
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Their heads have gone after two totally demoralizing defeats. As I said after the Spurs game, I just don't know how we turn this around other than spending very big in January.
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BENTEKE! STOP BEING FUCKING OFFSIDE!
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Too many players who are not good enough.
Too much expected of too many young players.
A squad that really belongs in the Championship.
Major investment required in January, or we're in very deep trouble.
Our first 11 is good enough to be lower mid table while the kids learn, but losing so many at once has really killed us.
I disagree. We've next to no quality, and too many kids.
I think the depth is the issue. We would not be winning at places like Liverpool if the first 11 was no use. The problem is they can't cope with too many out
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Soton 3-1 up.
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This is genuine paper thin and low quality
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Benteke is the Inzaghi of offsides
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Too many players who are not good enough.
Too much expected of too many young players.
A squad that really belongs in the Championship.
Major investment required in January, or we're in very deep trouble.
Our first 11 is good enough to be lower mid table while the kids learn, but losing so many at once has really killed us.
a side that would include Vlaar, Gabby, Petrov, Dunne, Bent used properly mixed in with the right kids would not be in this much trouble.
Petrov isn't available, though, and hasn't been for a long time, and probably won't play again.
Gabby has delivered scraps for years now, and as for Dunne ....
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a fully fit 1st 11 is easily good enough to finish 1/2 way or higher, but...........................
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Too many players who are not good enough.
Too much expected of too many young players.
A squad that really belongs in the Championship.
Major investment required in January, or we're in very deep trouble.
Our first 11 is good enough to be lower mid table while the kids learn, but losing so many at once has really killed us.
a side that would include Vlaar, Gabby, Petrov, Dunne, Bent used properly mixed in with the right kids would not be in this much trouble.
It doesn't matter though, because one and possibly two of those were never going to play. We need a much better squad.
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Wigan have one point from 6 games.
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Can we register Jack Woodward to play in our midfield. He scares the hell out of me so might be good to scare the opposition !
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Benteke is the Inzaghi of offsides
Has he been onside for a villa attack in three games?
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We've come into it a bit more.
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Wigan have one point from 6 games.
Fucking hell.
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Too many players who are not good enough.
Too much expected of too many young players.
A squad that really belongs in the Championship.
Major investment required in January, or we're in very deep trouble.
Our first 11 is good enough to be lower mid table while the kids learn, but losing so many at once has really killed us.
a side that would include Vlaar, Gabby, Petrov, Dunne, Bent used properly mixed in with the right kids would not be in this much trouble.
It doesn't matter though, because one and possibly two of those were never going to play. We need a much better squad.
Randy needs to start again...
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a fully fit 1st 11 is easily good enough to finish 1/2 way or higher, but...........................
That's just it, though. A fully fit first 11, something no team goes through a whole season with.
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Too many players who are not good enough.
Too much expected of too many young players.
A squad that really belongs in the Championship.
Major investment required in January, or we're in very deep trouble.
Our first 11 is good enough to be lower mid table while the kids learn, but losing so many at once has really killed us.
I disagree. We've next to no quality, and too many kids.
I think the depth is the issue. We would not be winning at places like Liverpool if the first 11 was no use. The problem is they can't cope with too many out
It showed that we can play to a certain standard when literally everything goes right and that includes the opposition being inept in front of goal. We don't have the guns to perform to that level (by that level I mean mid table Prem standards) when the squad has been shredded by injuries and the opposition take their chances. I would argue that had we played Wigan after Liverpool we'd batter them. Instead we played Chelsea were ruthless in every sense and tore us to pieces.
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Too many players who are not good enough.
Too much expected of too many young players.
A squad that really belongs in the Championship.
Major investment required in January, or we're in very deep trouble.
Our first 11 is good enough to be lower mid table while the kids learn, but losing so many at once has really killed us.
I disagree. We've next to no quality, and too many kids.
I think the depth is the issue. We would not be winning at places like Liverpool if the first 11 was no use. The problem is they can't cope with too many out
We had pretty much the same team out against Liverpool, only changes are Bennett for Baker and Ireland for Westwood, the latter of which is unforced. Liverpool was a freak result in a game where they missed chances are our front two who do have genuine potential clicked at the same time. I think we are well past the point of looking back on the Liverpool game as some sort of sign that we are really infinitely better than the pile of cack we are at the moment.
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is vlaar still injured? we need him playing.
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Wigan have one point from 6 games.
Fucking hell.
From 9 games, I think.
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We've been a bit better last few minutes
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Wigan have one point from 6 games.
Fucking hell.
Looking like 4 from 7
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Herd is fucking useless he really is.
Yawn.
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if we loose again today will Randy have the balls to back PL again in the market?
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Much better. Herd, Holman and Bannan doing better
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Wigan have one point from 6 games.
Fucking hell.
From 9 games, I think.
Looking like 4 from 10 then....
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Fuck me, Lichaj is absolutely shit.
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Why didn't we start the game like this? COME ON VILLA!
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The passing veers from adequate to abysmal.
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Lowton that is shocking
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My god so bad, stumbling and fucking up all the time.
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That was a series of shit moments from everybody.
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Fuck me, Lichaj is absolutely shit.
I honestly thought he's be a solid back up. He is however gash in every sense.
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This is absolute bollocks. What was that from Lowton?
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if we loose again today will Randy have the balls to back PL again in the market?
He absolutely has got to, no question about it.
Fail to back the manager when he desperately needs it, and we're going to look likely for relegation.
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Fuck me, Lichaj is absolutely shit.
He is, him and Herd are fucking awful.
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wigan sitting back to hit us - and they will
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Q. What the fuck is Ireland doing?
A. Running around like a twat
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What sort of a welcome did Maloney get?
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what is about Wigan and Villa Park? We've got a decent record up there ourselves and when they come down to us we turn to fucking shit.
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Fuck me, Lichaj is absolutely shit.
He is, him and Herd are fucking awful.
Agreed on Herd as well.
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Herd is just playing completely out of position. He does not have the awareness to play centre half but has good energy and grit, which is best used in the spoiling midfield role or as an energetic full back. He is a better right back Lichaj from what I have seen.
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Horrendous from Maloney.
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Fuck me, Lichaj is absolutely shit.
He is, him and Herd are fucking awful.
We have far too many very poor players in our squad.
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fuck...
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Too many players who are not good enough.
Too much expected of too many young players.
A squad that really belongs in the Championship.
Major investment required in January, or we're in very deep trouble.
Our first 11 is good enough to be lower mid table while the kids learn, but losing so many at once has really killed us.
a side that would include Vlaar, Gabby, Petrov, Dunne, Bent used properly mixed in with the right kids would not be in this much trouble.
It doesn't matter though, because one and possibly two of those were never going to play. We need a much better squad.
Randy needs to start again...
We are in decline while the likes of Everton and Spurs are racing ahead of us. It will be a long way back to where we should be and I'm not even sure the owners would be interested enough to keep us in this league, let alone start progressing properly again. Gambling that our youngsters were the new Man United c. 1993-1996 was a risk that has not paid off. We need to spend about £30m in January to ease the pressure on their young shoulders.
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Bar
Fuck
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Awful.
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off the bar, its not going to be our day
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I think we're gonna need a huge slice of luck to win this game. Something like a red card for them or a dodgy pen.
In other news Holman that was fucking Blues that miss.
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Q. What the fuck is Ireland doing?
A. Running around like a twat
The new Heskey.
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Fuck me, Lichaj is absolutely shit.
He is, him and Herd are fucking awful.
We have far too many very poor players in our squad.
We do, but one summer under Lambert won't fix that. We need 2-3 years before the squad is how he wants it.
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Wigan beginning to show why they're down the bottom.
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Too many players who are not good enough.
Too much expected of too many young players.
A squad that really belongs in the Championship.
Major investment required in January, or we're in very deep trouble.
Our first 11 is good enough to be lower mid table while the kids learn, but losing so many at once has really killed us.
a side that would include Vlaar, Gabby, Petrov, Dunne, Bent used properly mixed in with the right kids would not be in this much trouble.
It doesn't matter though, because one and possibly two of those were never going to play. We need a much better squad.
Randy needs to start again...
We are in decline while the likes of Everton and Spurs are racing ahead of us. It will be a long way back to where we should be and I'm not even sure the owners would be interested enough to keep us in this league, let alone start progressing properly again. Gambling that our youngsters were the new Man United c. 1993-1996 was a risk that has not paid off. We need to spend about £30m in January to ease the pressure on their young shoulders.
Agreed, it needs to be well spent too.
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Southampton 3-1 up at Stoke
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off the bar, its not going to be our day
It's not our day because up to now we've been fucking atrocious.
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Its been said 3068 times today, but...Herd get off and practice your passing for about 39 years please mate
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Q. What the fuck is Ireland doing?
A. Running around like a twat
The new Heskey.
Shudder, how long has he got left on his contract?
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Right I don't really know where to start, but Westwood on for Herd and a 4-4-2 will do.
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This Joe Bennett bloke looks awful.
I strongly disagree, he's got a lot of talent and will be a good player
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This game has the feeling about it - apocalyptic weather, terrible football, restless crowd - of a side reaching rock bottom.
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cup of tea and a jaffa cake I think, or maybe some stollen:)
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Holman off, Lichaj off, Herd off, Ireland off...oh.
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Embarrassing, enough of this 'we go again' bollocks Lambert. Get Herd and Lichaj off the fucking pitch.
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Very very poor 1st 30 minutes, looked a bit better since but still a dreadful 1st half.
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Shocking ..looking at being in drop zone at moment.Some nice play at the end of the half and they look nervous
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We're a very, very poor team in very, very poor form. A shocking half of football, even though things picked up in the last ten minutes.
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Well HT..... Well despite all my moaning we were getting a bit better towards the end of the first half...
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PL. Westy for Ireland.
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Right, I'm off to eat some prunes.
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In many ways, the first 20 minutes were the worst of the season. We seemed totally devoid of confidence, quality and energy. The last 10 were marginally better but only because we've started to go long to Benteke.
I'm not sure how, but Lambert needs to earn his wages this afternoon because if we lose this it's freefall time.
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PL. Westy for Ireland.
The problems run deeper. The whole shape is wrong.
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urgh Villa, urgh. Fucking dreadful performance. Much better second half needed, but the defeatist in me thinks we'll lose by even more. Forest losing in Mcleish's first game. I don't really know who is worse, him or Lambert. How I wish we were good.
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At least Benteke's winning more in the air. Perhaps we need to a bit direct and bypass our featherweight midfield. A couple of half chances have come that way.
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Lichaj has been pretty good to be fair Herd should move to the middle and have a solid 4 defence.
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40% possession at home against fucking Wigan.... Says it all really.
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Right I don't really know where to start, but Westwood on for Herd and a 4-4-2 will do.
Who will play in central defence or should we just do away with it?
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We are awful.
Slight improvement for the last 15 minutes, but that was mostly sideways passing to stop Wigan getting the ball.
Wigan have had almost 60 percent possession. Terrible.
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Poole - Guzan
Norton - Lijah
Dorigo - Bennett
Keown - Clark
Elliott - Herd
Birch - Holman
Glover - Bannan
Hunt - Lowton
Stainrod - Ireland
Thompson - Benteke
Walters - Weimann
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Are bookies still accepting bets on us going down? May as well soften the blow.
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Awful for 25 minutes, then suddenly woken up. We can still win this if we keep the intensity up. We all know we are poor, but the last 15 minutes of the half showed that they have grown in confidence a little.
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Randy is at villa park today- at least he's seen how bad things are .
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At least with Bennett I've seen him go past a man, I've never seen Lichaj do that he's shit. Herd is massively overrated by some Villa fans because he came in with a bit of bite last year, but he's fucking rubbish as well. Awful, end of. No excuses this is shit.
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Right, I'm off to eat some prunes.
Take care in the second half....
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Well HT..... Well despite all my moaning we were getting a bit better towards the end of the first half...
All it takes is a scrappy villa goal and we could grow in confidence. We are due a slice of luck aren't we?
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So glad I didn't go to this one today.
Nice and warm at home, glass of red on the go. Looking at the rain there, it looks utterly fucking wretched.
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Lichaj has been pretty good to be fair Herd should move to the middle and have a solid 4 defence.
Lichaj has been comically terrible, and Herd just looks lost since the shallacking at Chelsea.
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Oh and changes, Holman wide left, Lichz off for Albrighton down the right, and give Ireland 15 minutes before hooking him for Westwood. Go 4-4-2 and give it everything
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At least with Bennett I've seen him go past a man, I've never seen Lichaj do that he's shit. Herd is massively overrated by some Villa fans because he came in with a bit of bite last year, but he's fucking rubbish as well. Awful, end of. No excuses this is shit.
Agreed, Herd and Lichaj need to be replaced asap and shipped to championship.
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At least with Bennett I've seen him go past a man, I've never seen Lichaj do that he's shit. Herd is massively overrated by some Villa fans because he came in with a bit of bite last year, but he's fucking rubbish as well. Awful, end of. No excuses this is shit.
Need to play 4-4-2 with the widemen doubling up on Wigan's wingers. Lichaj hasn't given the ball away in silly positions Bennett has both ain't good enough at second.
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I hate to say it but do we actually miss Hutton, Dunne, Collins, Cuellar and Warnock...im joking, but do we?
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At least with Bennett I've seen him go past a man, I've never seen Lichaj do that he's shit. Herd is massively overrated by some Villa fans because he came in with a bit of bite last year, but he's fucking rubbish as well. Awful, end of. No excuses this is shit.
Need to play 4-4-2 with the widemen doubling up on Wigan's wingers
I'd say 4-2-3-1/-4-3-3, but I agree about the width.
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Right I don't really know where to start, but Westwood on for Herd and a 4-4-2 will do.
Who will play in central defence or should we just do away with it?
Lowton.
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Lichaj really is having a poor game. Switch to four at the back and bring Carruthers on as he will at least try and beat a man and get at them.
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I hate to say it but do we actually miss Hutton, Dunne, Collins, Cuellar and Warnock...im joking, but do we?
Collins maybe due again he was hit and miss
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Got little to lose now, go for broke, Ireland off and Westwood on with Albrighton on for Liechaj
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Lichaj and Herd might be shit but at least they try. Ireland can just fuck off. I'm really starting to detest him.
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Southampton 3-1 up at Stoke
Who cares. This isn't the other games thread.
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Well HT..... Well despite all my moaning we were getting a bit better towards the end of the first half...
All it takes is a scrappy villa goal and we could grow in confidence. We are due a slice of luck aren't we?
So sad we have been reduced to hoping for a scrappy goal against Wigan. I could cry.
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Thought Ireland was the worst I've ever seen him, then oon 27 minutes he picked out Benteke over the top and from then on he was finding space, getting on the ball and the best route forward for us. He still can#t tackle, but we don't have anyone else to play that role.
Agree with Monty that the thing wrong is the formation. Apart from lacking quality almost everywhere :-)
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Is 3 players by the end of next week asking too much. That Derek Boateng fella in the midfield might be an option to shield the defence.
What about a loan of Scott Sinclair?
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Isnt Warnock is back at VP? could do with him on the bench today or maybe in midfield, give it a bit of bite
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The 5-3-2 or whatever it is, is not working at all.
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if we are going to lose then let's do it all guns blazing or as close it as we can muster. I'd rather us die trying than not try at all. My fear is HT came at the wrong time and we'll start the second as we did the first and concede again.
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Is 3 players by the end of next week asking too much. That Derek Boateng fella in the midfield might be an option to shield the defence.
What about a loan of Scott Sinclair?
We need it we really do.
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Benteke really needs a game out but who else could come in?
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Being a Villa fan is like watching your sister getting fucked whilst Randy Lerner secretly wanks in the corner.
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At least with Bennett I've seen him go past a man, I've never seen Lichaj do that he's shit. Herd is massively overrated by some Villa fans because he came in with a bit of bite last year, but he's fucking rubbish as well. Awful, end of. No excuses this is shit.
Paul, what has Herd done to you, you've turning into a screaming little girl. We have a make shift team, Herd is being asked to play in a position he's no familar with, there's no defensive cover from the midfield, the full backs are constantly exposed and caught out of position but in your eyes it's all Herd's fault. Not just today, it's every bloody game.
There's not a great deal to cheer about admitedly but the least we can expect is the players to put a shift in, something no matter where he plays, Herd never fails to deliver. Massively overrated? Nah. Scapegoat for some? Absolutely.
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Fed up with the Herd bashing he's the type of player who will hound players all day and get stuck in, he's clearly trying to do a job for the team at the back and I for one think he's giving it everything he's got. His passing needs to improve but I'd have him in midfield happily at the moment.
Same goes for Bennett, he's clearly got quality and he's young and only played a handful of times for us, please don't get on his back.
That said, fucking abysmal start to the match but we can get the 3 points here.
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We have been fucking awful and some of the players are playing for their Villa careers in the next half, or they should be if there's any leadership at the club.
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Is our great leader at the game?
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Is our great leader at the game?
Apparently so.
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Being a Villa fan is like watching your sister getting fucked whilst Randy Lerner secretly wanks in the corner.
My lap top is broken and I'm after spitting tea all over my desktop reading that!!!!
Hilarious! And True.
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The next 45 minutes are absolutely crucial for us.
As well as the obvious points issue, lose to this lot, and can you imagine how much worse the confidence will be?
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Thought Ireland was the worst I've ever seen him, then oon 27 minutes he picked out Benteke over the top and from then on he was finding space, getting on the ball and the best route forward for us. He still can#t tackle, but we don't have anyone else to play that role.
Agree with Monty that the thing wrong is the formation. Apart from lacking quality almost everywhere :-)
Largely agree. He was easily the worst player on pitch for the first 25minutes, he did improve afterwards but I'd still take him off for Westwood at half time.
Lichaj has been terrible, far too central defensively which gave Beausejour far too much space when Wigan were bossing possession, offers nothing going forward either.
I think Bennett, Weimann, Bannan and Lowton have generally been good and Benteke went from terrible to threatening once we started getting a foot on the ball.
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Is our great leader at the game?
Apparently so.
Wonder what he thinks?
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Being a Villa fan is like watching your sister getting fucked whilst Randy Lerner secretly wanks in the corner.
fuck me that's some statement, on top of "I wish I supported Wigan". You really have come out with some bollocks.
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At least with Bennett I've seen him go past a man, I've never seen Lichaj do that he's shit. Herd is massively overrated by some Villa fans because he came in with a bit of bite last year, but he's fucking rubbish as well. Awful, end of. No excuses this is shit.
Paul, what has Herd done to you, you've turning into a screaming little girl. We have a make shift team, Herd is being asked to play in a position he's no familar with, there's no defensive cover from the midfield, the full backs are constantly exposed and caught out of position but in your eyes it's all Herd's fault. Not just today, it's every bloody game.
There's not a great deal to cheer about admitedly but the least we can expect is the players to put a shift in, something no matter where he plays, Herd never fails to deliver. Massively overrated? Nah. Scapegoat for some? Absolutely.
It's not all Herd's fault, hence I've mentioned Lichaj and Bennett being poor. However he's not a good player. By definition of your defence of him you must see he's not playing well. As I say I don't blame him alone and he does put a shift in, but he's just not good enough to start for Villa. There are plenty of others who fall into that category.
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Being a Villa fan is like watching your sister getting fucked whilst Randy Lerner secretly wanks in the corner.
My lap top is broken and I'm after spitting tea all over my desktop reading that!!!!
Hilarious! And True.
Fortunately I don't have a sister. Otherwise I wouldn't watch.
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Oh Lambert we only have 45 mins to change this....make the changes at half time, they're bloody calling out for them
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The next 45 minutes are absolutely crucial for us.
As well as the obvious points issue, lose to this lot, and can you imagine how much worse the confidence will be?
Indeed it's huge, now come on Villa grow a pair.
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Well HT..... Well despite all my moaning we were getting a bit better towards the end of the first half...
All it takes is a scrappy villa goal and we could grow in confidence. We are due a slice of luck aren't we?
So sad we have been reduced to hoping for a scrappy goal against Wigan. I could cry.
I am trying not to get as emotionally involved this season. I was a wreck during April and May last year, trying to 'hope for the best' this time around. I'm beginning to get used to the struggle for survival.
I wouldn't go too attacking, a point against them would at least maintain the status quo.
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Being a Villa fan is like watching your sister getting fucked whilst Randy Lerner secretly wanks in the corner.
fuck me that's some statement, on top of "I wish I supported Wigan". You really have come out with some bollocks.
Both obviously said in jest.
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Tempo is the key, when we upped it we got on top, need to come out strong and keep that up.
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Can't ever imagine myselft suggesting Albrighton's introduction, having the pile of shite on the pitch at the minute is quite enough, without adding to it thank you!
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At least with Bennett I've seen him go past a man, I've never seen Lichaj do that he's shit. Herd is massively overrated by some Villa fans because he came in with a bit of bite last year, but he's fucking rubbish as well. Awful, end of. No excuses this is shit.
Paul, what has Herd done to you, you've turning into a screaming little girl. We have a make shift team, Herd is being asked to play in a position he's no familar with, there's no defensive cover from the midfield, the full backs are constantly exposed and caught out of position but in your eyes it's all Herd's fault. Not just today, it's every bloody game.
There's not a great deal to cheer about admitedly but the least we can expect is the players to put a shift in, something no matter where he plays, Herd never fails to deliver. Massively overrated? Nah. Scapegoat for some? Absolutely.
Agreed.
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Being a Villa fan is like watching your sister getting fucked whilst Randy Lerner secretly wanks in the corner.
fuck me that's some statement, on top of "I wish I supported Wigan". You really have come out with some bollocks.
He has a point though...
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I just hope the fans can really get behind the lads. We look for large parts of the game like we're playing with 9 or 10 players. Maybe than banner on the Holte should read "11th Man".
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Being a Villa fan is like watching your sister getting fucked whilst Randy Lerner secretly wanks in the corner.
fuck me that's some statement, on top of "I wish I supported Wigan". You really have come out with some bollocks.
Both obviously said in jest.
I thought you were serious :)
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Right come on Villa just please do better.
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Being a Villa fan is like watching your sister getting fucked whilst Randy Lerner secretly wanks in the corner.
My lap top is broken and I'm after spitting tea all over my desktop reading that!!!!
Hilarious! And True.
Fortunately I don't have a sister. Otherwise I wouldn't watch.
That part was sick, it was the Randy wanking in the corner bit that caught my attention
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VILLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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The last fifteen minutes of the first half, and this half so far, Wigan have started to give tantalising glimpses of how shit they really are.
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Right better tempo, now keep it up and fucking score Villa.
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The last fifteen minutes of the first half, and this half so far, Wigan have started to give tantalising glimpses of how shit they really are.
We have used the whole game to showcase that...
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You just get the feeling that 15 mins of quality and effort would be enough to beat these fuckers.
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No changes then? Please inform the blind among us.
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This is shaping up to be a painful half of football, more so than the last.
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much better
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You just get the feeling that 15 mins of quality and effort would be enough to beat these fuckers.
On current form, that could take the rest of the season.
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No changes then? Please inform the blind among us.
Nope. To be fair we ended the half strongly.
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Better well played by Herd there.
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We are getting a decent amount of possession but just dont seem to have the spark needed to score.
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We are getting a decent amount of possession but just dont seem to have the spark needed to score.
Yeah we don't actually look threatening.
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You just get the feeling that 15 mins of quality and effort would be enough to beat these fuckers.
On current form, that could take the rest of the season.
As shit as we have been I honestly .....
FUCK
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Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear
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Shit the fucking bed.
There you go, Villa, fucking useless.
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Like I said...we're down
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And that's the end of that.
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We're crushed.
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Garbage.
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That's it.
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Fucking bollocks.
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We're down.
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Awful defending again.
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Oh Villa. Absolutely shocking defending again.
I'm afraid to say I think we're going to get relegated.
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Christ almighty. 2-0 down at home to Wigan. 0-14 in less than 3 games.
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FUCK FUCK FUCK
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I don't know what to say.
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Jaysus Clark was crap for that goal.
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This is the worst Villa team I've ever seen - worse than McNeill's Mingers.
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FFS
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Oh Villa. Absolutely shocking defending again.
I'm afraid to say I think we're going to get relegated.
No No No No
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Why does or did Lambert think 2 championship full backs and 3 youth team defenders were/ are good enough in this league!!!?? WHY!???
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I cannot see how we can turn this around unless the pressure is taken off a group of kids who simply ain't ready right now. Their heads have totally gone and it matters not who we play right now, the results remain the same.
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Caught napping again. PL needs to go for broke now otherwise we may as well just pack it all in and concede another 4 in the second half
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Can't blame the keeper....
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We are going down : fact
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Why does or did Lambert think 2 championship full backs and 3 youth team defenders were/ are good enough in this league!!!?? WHY!???
Don't shoot the messenger.
It's about time the owners faced up to where their leadership has landed Aston Villa.
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'We go again', fuck off. This needs to be addressed, most of these players aren't good enough.
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Poole - Guzan
Norton - Lijah
Dorigo - Bennett
Keown - Clark
Elliott - Herd
Birch - Holman
Glover - Bannan
Hunt - Lowton
Stainrod - Ireland
Thompson - Benteke
Walters - Weimann
This. :-(
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FUCKING HELL, stop following the ball and pick a pissing man up....its not hard!!! Fuck me what are the coaches doing everyday
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I cannot see how we can turn this around unless the pressure is taken off a group of kids who simply ain't ready right now. Their heads have totally gone and it matters not who we play right now, the results remain the same.
Yup, that's about it.
Another piss poor defeat and it'll be even harder to pick the kids up. Too many are not good enough, too many getting too much responsibility lumped onto them.
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Stupid fucking Bannan....
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Sir Chris Hoy gets the yellow card out for Bannan there.
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Oh Villa. Absolutely shocking defending again.
I'm afraid to say I think we're going to get relegated.
No No No No
Take no pleasure in saying so.
Wigan are making us look like a league one team. Very, very poor and I wouldn't be surprised to see us concede another couple.
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If we dont spend in Jan we are down simple as that really.
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Can you imagine if we don't buy anyone in January?
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we are down
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FUCKING HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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Unbelievable.
Utterly unbelievable.
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Fuck off!
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We are like a team that has given up
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FFFFFFUCK, FUCK FUCK
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3 nil at home to Wigan, fucking disgusting and gutless.
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That's really beyond awful.
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boo's fans leaving this is the worse villa have been in years
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bloody hell! Villa fans streaming out with 35 minutes to go, cant blame them
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This is disappointing.
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I think Lambert has to think about resigning tonight. Even with a depleted squad, this is about as bad as I can remember us ever being.
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Anyone wish Martinez had taken the job when it was on offer? ::)
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5-3-2 does not work! unless you are wigan!
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Shambles. Something has to change. And straight away. Massive injection of funds on quality players - both transfer fees and salaries.
Otherwise we're down.
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3-0 ok im sorry thats 15 goals in 3 mactches Lambert has to go
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PL. no changes at HT. There you go. That's what happens. Quickly booking himself a place in the numpty manager lounge with the rest of the charlatans. Please prove me wrong.
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Worse Villa side I can remember since Billy McBingo
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Oh fucking hell, Villa. I'm not even angry, I'm just saddened.
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FUCK OFF ALL OF YOU....I dont care how old you are, you're shit and don't earn a pissing penny you get paid!
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It's worse than we all imagined. Gross irresponsibility from the manager and the board.
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We will be relegated.
LERNER OUT
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You can get rid of pretty much this entire team.
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And here we have the tipping point.
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Lambert looks lost.
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Why does or did Lambert think 2 championship full backs and 3 youth team defenders were/ are good enough in this league!!!?? WHY!???
So with both Dunne and Vlaar injured - who would you play?
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We are staring down the barrel of the largest gun we have in the long time, we do have time to turn it round but losing 3-0 to Wigan at home is unforgivable we have completely gone as a team!
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Losing I can take. Repeated capitulation I can't.
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Wigan can have as many as they fancy here.
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Anyone wish Martinez had taken the job when it was on offer? ::)
No
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20 games played, -24 goal difference :o
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we are reaping the benefit of being so badly managed for 3 or 4 years.
Time for Randy to fuck off and sell to someone who gives a fuck....
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Lambert looks lost.
That's what I just thought.
He looks totally broken.
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That's it: Lambert must go clueless fucking idiot
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even if it is not accepted, PL has to at least offer his resignation after this
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I also get the distinct feeling Wigan haven't finished scoring yet.
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oh dear...oh dear, oh dear
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I think Lambert has to think about resigning tonight. Even with a depleted squad, this is about as bad as I can remember us ever being.
And get who in?
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Can you imagine if we don't buy anyone in January?
I think it may be too late unless we're buying 4-5 quality players.
Another Darren Bent style signing isn't enough, we need quality throughout the pitch, not just one or 2 big signings.
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Lambert is fucking useless.get out
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Shat team.
Shat manager.
Shat owner.
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Why does or did Lambert think 2 championship full backs and 3 youth team defenders were/ are good enough in this league!!!?? WHY!???
So with both Dunne and Vlaar injured - who would you play?
I wouldnt of bought experience instead of the shit now
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I'm almost starting to miss TSM's stultifying won't win but won't lose approach. Lambert is starting to run out of any credit he had left with this performance.
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And here we have the tipping point.
Indeed. This result (and Wigan haven't finished with us yet) is as bad as it gets. We're down.
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Dire stuff and lambert must take his share of the blame - shameful and disgraceful- Lerner and lambert must both take the blame for this , no good blaming it on on past managers.
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Bollocks to the kids are the way forward, we need proper players in who have some fucking bottle and ability.
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even if it is not accepted, PL has to at least offer his resignation after this
And who would we get?
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It's very simple really. This current 11 is buggered. Unless a major injection comes in next month, we've not got much of a hope. With this utter lack of self belief we will struggle against Bradford.
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Lerner out
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we are reaping the benefit of being so badly managed for 3 or 4 years.
Time for Randy to fuck off and sell to someone who gives a fuck....
Who?
I'd love him to fuck off. In fact, the only thing that could cheer me up today is if someone throws a cup of piss at the bastard, but who's going to buy us?
Are there any more Arabs out there wanting a football club?
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whats bannon still doing on ffs
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Please don't resign Paul
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Why wasnt Albrighton on from the start, a bit feckin late when we are already 3-0 down
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Jordan Bowery....do me a fucking favour
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even if it is not accepted, PL has to at least offer his resignation after this
And who would we get?
Henning Berg.
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How on earth have we ended up here?
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I don't want to hear another 'we go again' bollocks. I don't care if these players try hard, they're shocking. 15 goals without reply, absolute joke.
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Being a Villa fan is like watching your sister getting fucked whilst Randy Lerner secretly wanks in the corner.
this
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It's ok everyone. Albrighton and Bowry are coming on
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even if it is not accepted, PL has to at least offer his resignation after this
And who would we get?
Somebody who could inspire a bunch of journeymen and kids in a relegation dogfight. Lambert seems incapable.
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My stream went down at 0-1. I can't fucking believe this.
Bye Bye Lambert!!!
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The centre of our defence is constantly cut through like butter. It's obvious we need a screening player just in front. And a new central defence.
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It's ok everyone. Albrighton and Bowry are coming on
Fucking hell. Can I have a game yet?
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kEA on .ffs get samir on at least
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Good luck Jordan, brought on in another hopeless cause.
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jeezuz Lambert is not the problem
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Why does or did Lambert think 2 championship full backs and 3 youth team defenders were/ are good enough in this league!!!?? WHY!???
So with both Dunne and Vlaar injured - who would you play?
I wouldnt of bought experience instead of the shit now
Great in hindsight eh...
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Lambert's policy of youth and potential is a season too early, we needed to ensure a safe position in the premiership first with experience and build from that. This will take us to relegation and a loss of a lot of money to the club.
If TSM was still here, the banners would be out by now
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I wanted lambert but not in my worst nightmare did I imagine it could ever be this shit- appalling.
Lerner is there today so I hope the fans give him it both barrels- kea coming on - shocking!
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
Lerner has to put his hand in his pocket, and he has to add to the wage bill, because more of the same is not going to change anything at all.
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Can't believe those calling for Lambert to resign - we've 10 players out injured. Get a grip!
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I cant leave the ground but this is so bad I'm leaving the stream and leaving the thread, see you next year guys
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Collymore has tweeted: Owners need to invest in a Premier League squad or villa may as well fold and die.
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even if it is not accepted, PL has to at least offer his resignation after this
And who would we get?
Someone better I think would be the plan. Although with Lerner and Faulkner doing the looking, it might not be what we ended up with.
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Sorry, can someone clarify - triple substitution? KEA, Bowery Ballroom and Marky Mark for who?
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Bye lambert....
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Jesus Christ.
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I have been behind PL but I am having serious doubts now. This is quite incredible.
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
Lerner has to put his hand in his pocket, and he has to add to the wage bill, because more of the same is not going to change anything at all.
I would've agreed up to this week Paulie. Villa have got to stay up this year. It's essential.
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jeezuz Lambert is not the problem
Agreed, years of selling our best players and getting little or no quality back in return. Lerner is the issue pure and simple.
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Im not even joking but Lerner has to take some of his billions from the Browns sale and give Lambert at least 50 million to buy 4 defenders and 4 midfielders....im serious
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lambert can't survive if we loose today. I know thousands will disagree but its time to admit its not working. I don't have a clue who would replace him but a dead cat bounce from anyone might be enough to keep us up
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Unbelievable substitutions when the game is lost. When have we ever scored 4 to win a match from 3 down???
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How on earth have we ended up here?
Randy and Paul haven't a clue.
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Im not even joking but Lerner has to take some of his billions from the Browns sale and give Lambert at least 50 million to buy 4 defenders and 4 midfielders....im serious
8 players for 50 million? We'll end up with more relegation fodder.
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Jesus Christ.
Unless randy digs deep, I don't think even he could help us.
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Lerner has to put his hand in his pocket, and he has to add to the wage bill, because more of the same is not going to change anything at all.
The wages is the key thing. Yes we spent £20M on players but we got half a dozen for that money so you can bet they're not earning fortunes. And as we all know your finishing position correlates more to your wage bill than your transfer spend.
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This thread deserves a cliche warning.
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
Lerner has to put his hand in his pocket, and he has to add to the wage bill, because more of the same is not going to change anything at all.
That'd be it, but the manager needs to realise that as well.
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How on earth have we ended up here?
Randy let MoN spunk all the money then MoN fucked off. Randy then showed us his football knowledge by employing shit managers who between them ran the club into the ground, allowing the squad to end up paper thin and short of quality.
We now have a decent manager who has fuck all to work with, a squad that would not get promoted from the division below us.
Randy needs to take ownership of the situation and spend big in january or if you think things look bad now wait till May...
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I have been behind PL but I am having serious doubts now. This is quite incredible.
It isn't incredible, it is entirely predictable.
Look at the squad. A few injuries and it falls so far short of acceptable, it is laughable.
Run down the squad, invest only in lower league dross with the hope it comes good, and you end up with a squad this piss poor.
Terrible stewardship from Lerner to reduce such huge investment to this in so short a spell of time.
Still, at least the wage bill looks a bit better.
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Im not even joking but Lerner has to take some of his billions from the Browns sale and give Lambert at least 50 million to buy 4 defenders and 4 midfielders....im serious
8 players for 50 million? We'll end up with more relegation fodder.
I missed a nought....500 million
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I have been behind PL but I am having serious doubts now. This is quite incredible.
Same as .
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Can't believe those calling for Lambert to resign - we've 10 players out injured. Get a grip!
I think they are pissed of that he doesn't change the formation when it doesn't work.
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Clueless owner, clueless manager...resign the pair of you should be ashamed
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even if it is not accepted, PL has to at least offer his resignation after this
And who would we get?
Someone better I think would be the plan. Although with Lerner and Faulkner doing the looking, it might not be what we ended up with.
I dont want him to go, I think PL is the answer for the future and his resignation offer should be refused, but at least he should offer it, 16 goals without reply (if you start with Gerards goal) is shocking by anyones standard
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Have the fans turned yet? Or have they all left?..
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This thread deserves a cliche warning.
It's a cliche because it's true.
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We haven't a clue how to break them down and no one wants to shoot just pass it around the edge of the box
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
Lerner has to put his hand in his pocket, and he has to add to the wage bill, because more of the same is not going to change anything at all.
Precisely. It really is spend or bust. The experiment has failed in spectacular fashion. If it ain't fixed over the next month then it's bye bye top flight.
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.
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I don't want the manager to resign, I want him to recognise his errors and address it very quickly.
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Miles better playing 442!
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these wankers will still keep getting paid
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jeezuz Lambert is not the problem
Doesn't he manage and pick this team?
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We are shit
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This thread deserves a cliche warning.
It's a cliche because it's true.
Some of it ... a lot of it is hysterically delivered received wisdom.
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Chris Herd gives way too many needless free kicks away
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wouldn't it be nice to win 4-3..to completely turn it around, a miracle win which you see every so often happen to another team. Just once, Villa, could you do this?
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How is he "clearly fouled" you bluenose c@*t??
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This thread deserves a cliche warning.
It's a cliche because it's true.
I have always fallen into the positive camp, but how the hell do you expect us to react to another drubbing?
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.
It doesn't matter how good a manager you are if you have to shop from the bargain bin.
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.
He also has to work with the wage bill, hence all his signings being either lower league or selling European league, which means low (comparatively) wages.
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LOL back in the bottom 3.
we need to buy good experience in J anuary, you can't expect such a young and inexperienced team to get better without the help of older players to guide them in the right direction.
this is beyond belief what is happening. I actually thought we would win today.
these 3 games have been the real wake up call now. you can't get any lower than losing 3-0 at home.
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We even get destroyed by Wigan at home. We are in serious trouble unless we bring in some proven premier League quality next month. I'm getting very worried now.
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Enough is enough
Please give me my Villa back
Randy - not good enough
Lambert - not good enough
Just been released from hospital with a heart complaint - can I get a refund on my season tickets I cant take this any more
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C'mon Stoke
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Lerner should have sold up in August 2010. He hasn't got a clue.
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jeezuz Lambert is not the problem
Doesn't he manage and pick this team?
He does but look at what he has to pick from.
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Lerner should have sold up in August 2010. He hasn't got a clue.
Who to?
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Can't buy a goal.
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unless miracles happen, I think we will hear boos ring around VP at full time
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.
He also has to work with the wage bill, hence all his signings being either lower league or selling European league, which means low (comparatively) wages.
What about the bid we had accepted for Dempsey? Presumably having gone that far we would have agreed (big, no doubt) wages. Lower league purchases and the wages that go with it could be as much Lambert's idea as Lerner's.
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33374
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Lerner should have sold up in August 2010. He hasn't got a clue.
Who to?
Henning Berg.
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getting rid of Lambert is the last thing we need. what is this nonsense.
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Who went off and came on?
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unless miracles happen, I think we will hear boos ring around VP at full time
Never from me.
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take about 5000 off that now
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Lerner should have sold up in August 2010. He hasn't got a clue.
He started with good intentions, trusted his manager 100 percent, threw loads of money around, realised too late that we couldn't afford it, his manager dumped on him, he made a poor appointment, had to throw more money at it, made a truly gobsmacking appointment, then got fixated by a dream that we could turn into Ajax and get by by signing cheap players and using academy graduates.
He has had several things go against him, but ultimately, it is his fault, the buck stops with him.
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This thread deserves a cliche warning.
It's a cliche because it's true.
Some of it ... a lot of it is hysterically delivered received wisdom.
Too fucking right I am hysterical, anyone who loves the club has every right to go fucking ballistic.
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Lambert needs to realise 4-4-2 is better!
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Lerner should have sold up in August 2010. He hasn't got a clue.
It would appear neither have the managers he's employed.
We'remaking Wigan look like world beaters.
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A Wigan team on a dreadful run of results have come here and pissed all over us.
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jeezuz Lambert is not the problem
Doesn't he manage and pick this team?
He does but look at what he has to pick from.
But he has bought a lot of those players!
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LOL back in the bottom 3.
I'm so pleased that you find it so amusing.
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We wont beat Bradford defending like this
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I will never turn on Paul Lambert.
Randy is the problem and has been for some time. Our spirit has been hallowed out for the past two years.
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should have been 4
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jeezuz Lambert is not the problem
Doesn't he manage and pick this team?
He does but look at what he has to pick from.
But he has bought a lot of those players!
The problem was the wage bill.
He's bought players, every single one of them either lower leagues youngsters or from cheap foreign leagues.
The thing I worry about most is that he still thinks this is the way forward, and January will see more of the same coming in.
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So fucking bad it's untrue, I mean fucking hell.
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Can't believe those calling for Lambert to resign - we've 10 players out injured. Get a grip!
Lambert hasnt got a clue at the moment .kids or not . this is Wigan ( one point out of 27 ) at home
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This is incompetence of the highest order, we are Aston Villa for fucks sake.
Something has to be done now, Wigan are looking like Real Madrid.
It doesn't matter that they are young and hungry, there is no quality and that is going to send us down.
A clear direction for once in your life this evening please, Mr Lerner.
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LOL back in the bottom 3.
I'm so pleased that you find it so amusing.
I don't think I have ever abused another forum member but if you think it's funny fuck off...
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We have a corner they nearly score, simple epitimises the Villa
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Lambert HAS to stay. 4 at the back and we're suddenly miles better. Bowery looks a good player too
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15 minutes to score 3 goals, paper over the cracks and possibly save our season
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C'mon Stoke
Yep, it's that desperate - whats happened to Stoke's rock solid defence today?
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Good fucking lord. Lambert has to resign as soon as this finishes. Has literally has no idea how to stop the rot.
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Wigan should have had 2 penalties in the first 5 minutes as well... so we have got off lightly!
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I am genuinely confused at how utterly dreadful we have been the past week. What the hell happened?
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Lambert has to take a fair share of the blame today. This pissing formation has not just seen us beaten in the last two games, it has seen us ripped to shreds yet he sticks with it and compounds the problem by selecting the most ridiculously unbalanced midfield known to man and let's Wigan have a free run at our shellshocked defence. We may well all be sticking with him but he is contributing heavily towards this utter devastation at the moment.
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Randy fucking Lerner is to blame. we are an absolute laughing stock and have been for 3years
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LOL back in the bottom 3.
I'm so pleased that you find it so amusing.
I don't think I have ever abused another forum member but if you think it's funny fuck off...
Indeed it's fucking horrendous. Lerner and Lambert wake up, this isn't working. I don't care about the injuries, because you need a squad capable of competing. Our squad is fucking atrocious.
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Wow a shot on goal
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jeezuz Lambert is not the problem
Doesn't he manage and pick this team?
He does but look at what he has to pick from.
But he has bought a lot of those players!
The problem was the wage bill.
He's bought players, every single one of them either lower leagues youngsters or from cheap foreign leagues.
The thing I worry about most is that he still thinks this is the way forward, and January will see more of the same coming in.
He said yesterday experience guarantees nothing and he believes in going with young players so I wouldn't hold my breath on him changing his philosophy.
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I've said all season it's like watching a kick about in the playground, the way Villa play is so niave
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LOL back in the bottom 3.
I'm so pleased that you find it so amusing.
I don't think I have ever abused another forum member but if you think it's funny fuck off...
I think it's probably a nervous laugh - like when some people laugh when they see a hearse pass them in the street
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I am genuinely confused at how utterly dreadful we have been the past week. What the hell happened?
I dont know either, from a goal of the month contender against Liverpool, to this! WTF happened
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.
He also has to work with the wage bill, hence all his signings being either lower league or selling European league, which means low (comparatively) wages.
There's no real proof of that though is there. Just putting two and two together and choosing a number that suits the argument. Obviously the wage bill had to be brought under control but it's still down to Lambert who he buys and I don't believe we now have a wage ceiling on players. There's plenty of clubs with far smaller wage budgets than us so I don't see it as a principle reason for Lambert buying kids.
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I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.
I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.
If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.
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Bannans passing is dump!
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Madness. The team has imploded. Never ever seen us do this with such force. This might even be league record for goals conceded over 3 games.
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Poor team selection, poor formation and poor tactics- lambert has to take the blame for all of those things.
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Collymore's tweets are really giving Randy hell. He is really putting the boot in. We must be the worst run club in the League.
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LOL back in the bottom 3.
I'm so pleased that you find it so amusing.
I don't think I have ever abused another forum member but if you think it's funny fuck off...
I think it's probably a nervous laugh - like when some people laugh when they see a hearse pass them in the street
I see fuck all to laugh at, if something is not done we will go down L O fucking L
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Genuine question, how many points have we got when Bennett has started?
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If the reason that Lambert had to buy lower league players was the wage budget, why did he leave Norwich in the first place? Surely he knew of any financial limits before he took the job?
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Wigan happy to have a clean sheet and hit us on the break for a fourth or fifth.
Lumping blls into benteke isn't working other sides have sussed him out and he has little room to create an opportunity
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I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.
I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.
If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.
I don't think he should offer his resignation, but it should be plain as day that the club's method isn't working.
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jeezuz Lambert is not the problem
Doesn't he manage and pick this team?
He does but look at what he has to pick from.
But he has bought a lot of those players!
The problem was the wage bill.
He's bought players, every single one of them either lower leagues youngsters or from cheap foreign leagues.
The thing I worry about most is that he still thinks this is the way forward, and January will see more of the same coming in.
I think that is the point I am trying to make that Lambert is even worse than MON for stubbornness and he cannot see the folly of his formations and transfer policy!
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I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.
I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.
If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.
100% agree with all of this
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Even when we talk about some of our injured players - Bent, Dunne, Gabby, N'Zogbia - they're not exactly players who have delivered consistently for us are they? Shining lights of industry and spirit?
When they are your experienced senior pros then you've got problems.
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Lambert HAS to stay. 4 at the back and we're suddenly miles better. Bowery looks a good player too
so why hasnt he been playing this formation ?
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Oh and Benteke has been fucking awful the last 3 games, so at least people won't sign him in January.
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.
He also has to work with the wage bill, hence all his signings being either lower league or selling European league, which means low (comparatively) wages.
There's no real proof of that though is there. Just putting two and two together and choosing a number that suits the argument. Obviously the wage bill had to be brought under control but it's still down to Lambert who he buys and I don't believe we now have a wage ceiling on players. There's plenty of clubs with far smaller wage budgets than us so I don't see it as a principle reason for Lambert buying kids.
McLeish was brought in to lower the wage bill. I'm sure not a lot has changed. I think Lambert would have bought better players if he had more money. Lerner's policy is to keep the wage bill down and stay in the Premier League.
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That tackle sums it all up really.
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Bannans passing is dump!
I think all these kids have been damaged by the last two years of upheaval - promising players ruined by incompetence from the board. Sell up Lerner!!
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.
He also has to work with the wage bill, hence all his signings being either lower league or selling European league, which means low (comparatively) wages.
There's no real proof of that though is there. Just putting two and two together and choosing a number that suits the argument. Obviously the wage bill had to be brought under control but it's still down to Lambert who he buys and I don't believe we now have a wage ceiling on players. There's plenty of clubs with far smaller wage budgets than us so I don't see it as a principle reason for Lambert buying kids.
Agreed. I mentioned a couple of pages ago that we were willing to stump-up the cash and wages for Dempsey in August. I don't think it's as cut and dried as telling Lambert he can only buy players on less than 30 grand a week. Lambert in his press conference yesterday made a telling comment that how experience has caused Villa's problems in the last couple of years. He wants to mould young players who happen to not cost the earth in fee or wage. That's his thing.
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dreadfully missing Stan and Gabby
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Lerner should have sold up in August 2010. He hasn't got a clue.
Who to?
To wit to who?
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In relative terms this is th same as being hammered 8-0 at Chelsea. I don't know if this is the bottom of the barrel but we have to be at it or close. I cannot remember for a long, long time ineptitude of this level and that includes some pearlers from last season.
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I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.
I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.
If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.
100% agree with all of this
I 100% disagree. This manager can sort us out if he is given the resources to do it.
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The only thing that would make me feel worse right now is if Lambert left. He has to stay but we have to invest. Bare bones beyond belief
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Collymore's tweets are really giving Randy hell. He is really putting the boot in. We must be the worst run club in the League.
Why what's he saying?
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I just wanna stay up. That's all I care about.
Please please do not get relegated Villa.
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jeezuz Lambert is not the problem
Doesn't he manage and pick this team?
He does but look at what he has to pick from.
But he has bought a lot of those players!
The problem was the wage bill.
He's bought players, every single one of them either lower leagues youngsters or from cheap foreign leagues.
The thing I worry about most is that he still thinks this is the way forward, and January will see more of the same coming in.
I think that is the point I am trying to make that Lambert is even worse than MON for stubbornness and he cannot see the folly of his formations and transfer policy!
Given the present circumstances, continuing to leave Bent out is looking like wilful negligence.
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We were told in the summer the money was there for lambert , he chose to buy younger lower league players - he wasn't made to do so.
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Bannans passing is dump!
I think all these kids have been damaged by the last two years of upheaval - promising players ruined by incompetence from the board. Sell up Lerner!!
And who do you propose to replace him?
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I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.
I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.
If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.
Lambert has got to resign or be sacked. He's been an absolute disaster of an appointment. OK it was the appointment we all wanted, but it simply hasn't worked, and he's made us the laughing stock of English football. The mumbling, incoherent "we go again" arse.
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What's the record deficit goal difference over three games in the league's history? We must be pretty close.
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LOL back in the bottom 3.
I'm so not amusing.
Oh ok, thanks for reminding me.
edit my post completely out of context just to point out one bit confusing laughing in disbelief for something else. how childish.
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In relative terms this is th same as being hammered 8-0 at Chelsea. I don't know if this is the bottom of the barrel but we have to be at it or close. I cannot remember for a long, long time ineptitude of this level and that includes some pearlers from last season.
This is disgusting on every level. They are all an embarrassment.
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Doug in!
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dreadfully missing Stan and Gabby
Missing bent but not missing one goal in 33 games gabby.
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.
He also has to work with the wage bill, hence all his signings being either lower league or selling European league, which means low (comparatively) wages.
There's no real proof of that though is there. Just putting two and two together and choosing a number that suits the argument. Obviously the wage bill had to be brought under control but it's still down to Lambert who he buys and I don't believe we now have a wage ceiling on players. There's plenty of clubs with far smaller wage budgets than us so I don't see it as a principle reason for Lambert buying kids.
We've heard about nothing but the wage bill for years now.
There is absolute proof there - look at the discussion of the wage bill from the club, the endless talk of self supporting, and then look at the incoming signings and every one of them fits that bill.
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I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.
I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.
If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.
Lambert has got to resign or be sacked. He's been an absolute disaster of an appointment. OK it was the appointment we all wanted, but it simply hasn't worked, and he's made us the laughing stock of English football. The mumbling, incoherent "we go again" arse.
Even Mourinho wouldn't get this sack of shit squad in comfortable mid-table. Massive upheaval of the team needed and bloody quickly.
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In relative terms this is th same as being hammered 8-0 at Chelsea. I don't know if this is the bottom of the barrel but we have to be at it or close. I cannot remember for a long, long time ineptitude of this level and that includes some pearlers from last season.
It's worse. Wigan have been utterly shite - until today.
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I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.
I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.
If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.
100% agree with all of this
I 100% disagree. This manager can sort us out if he is given the resources to do it.
Read the above properly then
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I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.
I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.
If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.
100% agree with all of this
I 100% disagree. This manager can sort us out if he is given the resources to do it.
The fucking idiot was given more than most managers in the summer, on top of a team that even Mcleish managed to keep up! 3-0 at home against Wigan after an 8-0 and 4-0 - he's got to go, if he's got an ounce of decency he'll resign, he's clearly not up to the task.
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I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.
I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.
If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.
100% agree with all of this
I 100% disagree. This manager can sort us out if he is given the resources to do it.
Perhaps not 100%
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I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.
I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.
If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.
Lambert has got to resign or be sacked. He's been an absolute disaster of an appointment. OK it was the appointment we all wanted, but it simply hasn't worked, and he's made us the laughing stock of English football. The mumbling, incoherent "we go again" arse.
Easy to be wise after the event
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Let's face it, if Gabby, Ireland, Dunne, Zog et al were any good they'd have been flogged already.
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What's the record deficit goal difference over three games in the league's history? We must be pretty close.
18 according to the match commentator. Against Wigan
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I just want to crawl up in a ball in a corner, sleep and hope when I wake up that these last 3 matches, nay, the last 3 years have all been a horrible dream for the club.
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I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.
I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.
If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.
100% agree with all of this
I 100% disagree. This manager can sort us out if he is given the resources to do it.
The fucking idiot was given more than most managers in the summer, on top of a team that even Mcleish managed to keep up! 3-0 at home against Wigan after an 8-0 and 4-0 - he's got to go, if he's got an ounce of decency he'll resign, he's clearly not up to the task.
So you sack him tonight.
Then what?
Two days before the window opens, what do you then do?
It's easy to be righteously angry, especially when there's reason for it, but it's much harder seeing a way out of the mire we are in.
The only thing that would rubber stamp our relegation more than not spending in January would be to change manager right now. I can't think of a more daft thing to do.
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I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.
I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.
If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.
100% agree with all of this
I 100% disagree. This manager can sort us out if he is given the resources to do it.
The fucking idiot was given more than most managers in the summer, on top of a team that even Mcleish managed to keep up! 3-0 at home against Wigan after an 8-0 and 4-0 - he's got to go, if he's got an ounce of decency he'll resign, he's clearly not up to the task.
Look at who he has available, not a lot.
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Lambert going is the last thing we need. What we need is 4 players in January, and some of the other lads being fit. We have 1 centre half today and second half against Spurs realistically. We need a big hard bugger in the middle, and some options going forward.
I still think we will be ok.
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The thing is If Bent and Nzogbia were fit , they would start on the bench.
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Calm down and have faith. All is not lost.
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He has to be backed in Jan.
The whole Ajax nonsense was a badly thought out pipe dream from square one. if they had travelled to Holland they would have very quickly seen why Ajax were successful and that it has less to do with youth players and more to do with their place in the Dutch food chain.
The club wanted to give the fans the sense that we had a plan, when in reality we have been all over the place since pubehead left.
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Let's face it, if Gabby, Ireland, Dunne, Zog et al were any good they'd have been flogged already.
You're right, this injury crisis papers over the cracks. Overall we've been fucking awful this season injuries or not.
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3 home wins all year ;(
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We love you Villa, we do, we love you Viila we do, Ooooooooooooh Villa we love you
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I'm upset. I like football, but this is ruining it for me.
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Calm down and have faith. All is not lost.
Well said!
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What's the record deficit goal difference over three games in the league's history? We must be pretty close.
we seem to be breaking all the wrong records at the moment
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If we sack the manager now we will go down. PL is a good manager who if given time will turn us around in a couple of years, not months.....
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dreadfully missing Stan and Gabby
Missing bent but not missing one goal in 33 games gabby.
agree
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I bet Martinez was glad he didn't come to B6
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Keep faith based on what though? sorry there needs to be something from the club and consecutive massacres does not inspire faith.
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Most of the injured players aren't good enough either in all honesty.
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We really don't look like we'd score if we played until next Christmas.
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Keep faith based on what though? sorry there needs to be something from the club and consecutive massacres does not inspire faith.
Fuck it then, lets just give up.
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Collymore's tweets are really giving Randy hell. He is really putting the boot in. We must be the worst run club in the League.
Why what's he saying?
That e don't have a PL squad and you need a mix of youth and experience. If quality leaves it must be replaced by quality, Luke Young, Barry, Ashley young, Downing, Milner all left for big money and were never replaced. We sold Cahill on the cheap. He actually said we need to invest or die (which is way OTT).
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Gallows humour from the Villa fans there. Lovely stuff.
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PL I think you deserve to stay and buy some players in Jan.
BUT I NOW HAVE MY BEADY EYE ON YOU!
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I think he should offer his resignation after a run like this.
I think and hope Lerner would reject it, but in doing so, he absolutely must then back him properly in January. Big, big style.
If he's not going to get backed, if he's not going to be allowed to buy anything other than low wage players, then we're going down, it's as simple as that.
100% agree with all of this
I 100% disagree. This manager can sort us out if he is given the resources to do it.
The fucking idiot was given more than most managers in the summer, on top of a team that even Mcleish managed to keep up! 3-0 at home against Wigan after an 8-0 and 4-0 - he's got to go, if he's got an ounce of decency he'll resign, he's clearly not up to the task.
So you sack him tonight.
Then what?
Two days before the window opens, what do you then do?
It's easy to be righteously angry, especially when there's reason for it, but it's much harder seeing a way out of the mire we are in.
The only thing that would rubber stamp our relegation more than not spending in January would be to change manager right now. I can't think of a more daft thing to do.
I can't think of a more stupid thing to do than retain a man who is performing so woefully. Our worst ever start to a season, our worst ever defeat, the worst goal difference in the division, conceding two goals a game on average, hardly scoring any, and a run of three games where we've conceded 15 and scored none. Face it, he's hopeless, and we'd be better off with just about anybody else. Alan fucking Curbishley even, anybody.
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We are doing a fantastic job of making ourselves a fucking laughing stock.
No one outside of villa gives a shit about young players, injuries ,or inexperience.
They don't see the 'big picture' or the development of a long term plan.
They just see a club that is in freefall, shipping goals and looking a shambles.
Frankly, I'm starting to feel the same.
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Collymore just tweeted this
Arsenal 27th Dec 2009 Friedel - L Young - Dunne - Cuellar - Warnock - A Young - Petrov - Milner - Downing - Gabby - Heskey.
Even allowing for Heskey, compare that side with the side today and you see the problem straight away.
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I think a fit Dunne and Vlaar all season would've have formed a good solid defence and been a steadying influence on the defence, so in that sense Lambert has been very unlucky. I do question our medical staff and fitness methods though.
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If we sack the manager now we will go down. PL is a good manager who if given time will turn us around in a couple of years, not months.....
Agreed.
Any talk of PL getting sacked is just a hot-headed knee jerk reaction from angry fans. To be fair it's understandable but that doesn't mean it's sensible.
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Collymore's tweets are really giving Randy hell. He is really putting the boot in. We must be the worst run club in the League.
Why what's he saying?
That e don't have a PL squad and you need a mix of youth and experience. If quality leaves it must be replaced by quality, Luke Young, Barry, Ashley young, Downing, Milner all left for big money and were never replaced. We sold Cahill on the cheap. He actually said we need to invest or die (which is way OTT).
If by die he means get relegated then he is right...
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Keep faith based on what though? sorry there needs to be something from the club and consecutive massacres does not inspire faith.
Fuck it then, lets just give up.
Stoke just equalised...
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It is going to be a long hard slog, but if Randy is there today which is rumoured it may help convince him 20 million or so to the manager might be useful.
3 games in such a short space of time, with the massive defeat of Chelsea has hurt. Vlaar out, Baker out from half time against Spurs meaning 7 goals since he was out.
Bennett looks like he will be ok to me. Lichaj and Herd are not good enough in the slightest.
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Lerner has to find a buyer - a good one.
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Keep faith based on what though? sorry there needs to be something from the club and consecutive massacres does not inspire faith.
Fuck it then, lets just give up.
Well that's the attitude coming from the very top down at B6 to be fair.
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Stoke keep us up with a last minute goal! Get in!
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even Steve Macmanaman is taking the piss out of us and he must be 43
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Stoke you beauties
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At least Stoke have equalised. Fucking hell.
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When was the last time we were 3 up away from home and looked as utterly comfortable as Wigan have here?
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It is going to be a long hard slog, but if Randy is there today which is rumoured it may help convince him 20 million or so to the manager might be useful.
3 games in such a short space of time, with the massive defeat of Chelsea has hurt. Vlaar out, Baker out from half time against Spurs meaning 7 goals since he was out.
Bennett looks like he will be ok to me. Lichaj and Herd are not good enough in the slightest.
He gave him £20m in the summer, and look what he spent it on, a load of absolute shite.
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It is going to be a long hard slog, but if Randy is there today which is rumoured it may help convince him 20 million or so to the manager might be useful.
3 games in such a short space of time, with the massive defeat of Chelsea has hurt. Vlaar out, Baker out from half time against Spurs meaning 7 goals since he was out.
Bennett looks like he will be ok to me. Lichaj and Herd are not good enough in the slightest.
£20m is nowhere near enough .
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Are we allowed to use the f word now?
Freefall?
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Fortunately Southampton play Arsenal next week, so shouldn't be picking up any points there.
Just as well, as Swansea will probably give us a good kicking.
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.
He also has to work with the wage bill, hence all his signings being either lower league or selling European league, which means low (comparatively) wages.
There's no real proof of that though is there. Just putting two and two together and choosing a number that suits the argument. Obviously the wage bill had to be brought under control but it's still down to Lambert who he buys and I don't believe we now have a wage ceiling on players. There's plenty of clubs with far smaller wage budgets than us so I don't see it as a principle reason for Lambert buying kids.
We've heard about nothing but the wage bill for years now.
There is absolute proof there - look at the discussion of the wage bill from the club, the endless talk of self supporting, and then look at the incoming signings and every one of them fits that bill.
2+2= 5,175,245
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Keep faith based on what though? sorry there needs to be something from the club and consecutive massacres does not inspire faith.
Fuck it then, lets just give up.
Well that's the attitude coming from the very top down at B6 to be fair.
I don't give a fuck if Randy has given up. I and many others will never throw the towel in, we were here before Randy and we will be here when he has fucked off....
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When was the last time we were 3 up away from home and looked as utterly comfortable as Wigan have here?
Probably against Derby I'd say.
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When was the last time we were 3 up away from home and looked as utterly comfortable as Wigan have here?
Liverpool away a couple of weeks ago.
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It is going to be a long hard slog, but if Randy is there today which is rumoured it may help convince him 20 million or so to the manager might be useful.
3 games in such a short space of time, with the massive defeat of Chelsea has hurt. Vlaar out, Baker out from half time against Spurs meaning 7 goals since he was out.
Bennett looks like he will be ok to me. Lichaj and Herd are not good enough in the slightest.
He gave him £20m in the summer, and look what he spent it on, a load of absolute shite.
Wow.
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plenty of boo's
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.
He also has to work with the wage bill, hence all his signings being either lower league or selling European league, which means low (comparatively) wages.
There's no real proof of that though is there. Just putting two and two together and choosing a number that suits the argument. Obviously the wage bill had to be brought under control but it's still down to Lambert who he buys and I don't believe we now have a wage ceiling on players. There's plenty of clubs with far smaller wage budgets than us so I don't see it as a principle reason for Lambert buying kids.
We've heard about nothing but the wage bill for years now.
There is absolute proof there - look at the discussion of the wage bill from the club, the endless talk of self supporting, and then look at the incoming signings and every one of them fits that bill.
2+2= 5,175,245
Err, not really.
Self supporting - fact
Wage bill too high - fact
Signings all low wage - fact
It's pretty simple really, Mark.
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When was the last time we were 3 up away from home and looked as utterly comfortable as Wigan have here?
Probably against Derby I'd say.
It's funny you mention Derby, that's who Lambert has turned us into.
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thankfully a lack of booing at full time, UTV, VTID
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When was the last time we were 3 up away from home and looked as utterly comfortable as Wigan have here?
Anfield. I suggest you buy yourself a memory stick.
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It is going to be a long hard slog, but if Randy is there today which is rumoured it may help convince him 20 million or so to the manager might be useful.
3 games in such a short space of time, with the massive defeat of Chelsea has hurt. Vlaar out, Baker out from half time against Spurs meaning 7 goals since he was out.
Bennett looks like he will be ok to me. Lichaj and Herd are not good enough in the slightest.
He gave him £20m in the summer, and look what he spent it on, a load of absolute shite.
Bentekkkkkkeeeee and Concrete Ron?
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Is it me or does Bowery look MILES better than Benteke?
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thankfully a lack of booing at full time
you must be joking!
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Keep faith based on what though? sorry there needs to be something from the club and consecutive massacres does not inspire faith.
Fuck it then, lets just give up.
Well that's the attitude coming from the very top down at B6 to be fair.
I don't give a fuck if Randy has given up. I and many others will never throw the towel in, we were here before Randy and we will be here when he has fucked off....
My point is that the club expect us to still dig deep into our pockets when they won't.
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Lambert has lost me now
3 conceded no decent efforts on target against a team out of form ..absolute shite
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thankfully a lack of booing at full time, UTV, VTID
That's called shock
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When was the last time we were 3 up away from home and looked as utterly comfortable as Wigan have here?
Anfield. I suggest you buy yourself a memory stick.
Comfortable?
I certainly don't remember that bit. I remember us throwing bodies in front of everything at 3 up. Wigan barely had to break sweat to hold onto their lead today, we looked so blunt.
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It is going to be a long hard slog, but if Randy is there today which is rumoured it may help convince him 20 million or so to the manager might be useful.
3 games in such a short space of time, with the massive defeat of Chelsea has hurt. Vlaar out, Baker out from half time against Spurs meaning 7 goals since he was out.
Bennett looks like he will be ok to me. Lichaj and Herd are not good enough in the slightest.
He gave him £20m in the summer, and look what he spent it on, a load of absolute shite.
Bentekkkkkkeeeee and Concrete Ron?
Benteke maybe, Vlaar isn't anything special at all.
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thankfully a lack of booing at full time, UTV, VTID
That's called shock
It's also called having the sound muted, there was plenty in evidence from the stream I watched.
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It is going to be a long hard slog, but if Randy is there today which is rumoured it may help convince him 20 million or so to the manager might be useful.
3 games in such a short space of time, with the massive defeat of Chelsea has hurt. Vlaar out, Baker out from half time against Spurs meaning 7 goals since he was out.
Bennett looks like he will be ok to me. Lichaj and Herd are not good enough in the slightest.
He gave him £20m in the summer, and look what he spent it on, a load of absolute shite.
Bentekkkkkkeeeee and Concrete Ron?
Benteke maybe, Vlaar isn't anything special at all.
There's a difference between not being anything special and "absolute shite", mind.
What about Westwood?
It's too easy to shout and scream that all his signings were gash. They weren't. They were on the whole, decent. The problem was they were almost all youngsters being added to a squad bereft of experience.
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thankfully a lack of booing at full time, UTV, VTID
That's called shock
Eh? Just heard an immense amount of booing on my stream.
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It isn't a new manager we need, it is a realisation that kids and lower league players alone are nothing like enough.
So tell that to Lambert, he's the man that buys the players.
He also has to work with the wage bill, hence all his signings being either lower league or selling European league, which means low (comparatively) wages.
There's no real proof of that though is there. Just putting two and two together and choosing a number that suits the argument. Obviously the wage bill had to be brought under control but it's still down to Lambert who he buys and I don't believe we now have a wage ceiling on players. There's plenty of clubs with far smaller wage budgets than us so I don't see it as a principle reason for Lambert buying kids.
We've heard about nothing but the wage bill for years now.
There is absolute proof there - look at the discussion of the wage bill from the club, the endless talk of self supporting, and then look at the incoming signings and every one of them fits that bill.
2+2= 5,175,245
Err, not really.
Self supporting - fact
Wage bill too high - fact
Signings all low wage - fact
It's pretty simple really, Mark.
Nobody forced Lambert to buy those players. FACT
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It is going to be a long hard slog, but if Randy is there today which is rumoured it may help convince him 20 million or so to the manager might be useful.
3 games in such a short space of time, with the massive defeat of Chelsea has hurt. Vlaar out, Baker out from half time against Spurs meaning 7 goals since he was out.
Bennett looks like he will be ok to me. Lichaj and Herd are not good enough in the slightest.
He gave him £20m in the summer, and look what he spent it on, a load of absolute shite.
Bentekkkkkkeeeee and Concrete Ron?
Benteke maybe, Vlaar isn't anything special at all.
There's a difference between not being anything special and "absolute shite", mind.
What about Westwood?
It's too easy to shout and scream that all his signings were gash. They weren't. They were on the whole, decent. The problem was they were almost all youngsters being added to a squad bereft of experience.
Westwood is rubbish, Lowton is rubbish, KEA is absolutely dire.
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Collymore just tweeted this
Arsenal 27th Dec 2009 Friedel - L Young - Dunne - Cuellar - Warnock - A Young - Petrov - Milner - Downing - Gabby - Heskey.
Even allowing for Heskey, compare that side with the side today and you see the problem straight away.
when I saw the team lineup against spurs I thought to myself how this team is unrecognizable compared to just two years ago. right now I can say maybe 6 definite starters. guzan, lowton, vlaar, holman, benteke and weimann.
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Keep faith based on what though? sorry there needs to be something from the club and consecutive massacres does not inspire faith.
Fuck it then, lets just give up.
Well that's the attitude coming from the very top down at B6 to be fair.
I don't give a fuck if Randy has given up. I and many others will never throw the towel in, we were here before Randy and we will be here when he has fucked off....
My point is that the club expect us to still dig deep into our pockets when they won't.
My point was in order to keep faith, you need to be given something to keep faith in. I'll keep supporting the club as I always have done, but at the moment there is nothing coming from top to bottom to believe our troubles can be sorted.
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thankfully a lack of booing at full time
you must be joking!
didnt hear a lot on the feed I was on, not surprised though
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thankfully a lack of booing at full time, UTV, VTID
That's called shock
Eh? Just heard an immense amount of booing on my stream.
Thankfully I'm not watching it and was responding to the previous comments. It's hard to imagine that the locals having paid their hard cash over the past few games, plus Christmas won't be venting their spleen.
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if money was so tight in the summer, it begs the question why lambert bought benteke and bowery when we already had bent, gabby, weimann and delfouneso as strikers, and failed to get a strong midfield player which it was clear was a vital need.
obviously benteke is looking a good buy, but if there was a limited budget surely we could have done without another forward and spent the money where it was needed more.
and a stricter wage bill does not necessarily mean having to buy youngsters from league 1. other clubs have low wage bills but dont have a team full of kids.
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Keep faith based on what though? sorry there needs to be something from the club and consecutive massacres does not inspire faith.
Fuck it then, lets just give up.
Well that's the attitude coming from the very top down at B6 to be fair.
I don't give a fuck if Randy has given up. I and many others will never throw the towel in, we were here before Randy and we will be here when he has fucked off....
My point is that the club expect us to still dig deep into our pockets when they won't.
Yep, Randy will be over in the Summer getting his staff to ring us pleading for us to buy season-tickets for the Championship. Bright future?....
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When was the last time we were 3 up away from home and looked as utterly comfortable as Wigan have here?
Anfield. I suggest you buy yourself a memory stick.
Comfortable?
I certainly don't remember that bit. I remember us throwing bodies in front of everything at 3 up. Wigan barely had to break sweat to hold onto their lead today, we looked so blunt.
Lucky deflection got them a goal...just because we're used to losing a slim lead we're hanging on to doesn't mean it's always like that. Liverpool had lost their way and really didn't look like scoring until they got lucky.
It's bad and results don't lie. No cause for hysteria though. Stay Calm and Win The Cup. UTV
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can we recall the Fonz?
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Terrible week to be a Villa supporter. Tough to see how we go forward as a club right now. Maybe the transfer window will have some pleasant surprises.
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thankfully a lack of booing at full time, UTV, VTID
That's called shock
It's also called having the sound muted, there was plenty in evidence from the stream I watched.
Considering the numbers left in the ground I'd agree that the booing was quite spirited.
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if money was so tight in the summer, it begs the question why lambert bought benteke and bowery when we already had bent, gabby, weimann and delfouneso as strikers, and failed to get a strong midfield player which it was clear was a vital need.
obviously benteke is looking a good buy, but if there was a limited budget surely we could have done without another forward and spent the money where it was needed more.
and a stricter wage bill does not necessarily mean having to buy youngsters from league 1. other clubs have low wage bills but dont have a team full of kids.
Yep, I feel for Lerner when he's down to his last $1.5 Billion - money is very tight.
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The only good thing about being this end of the table is that I have lost all interest in the doings of the red and blue scum of manchester and the other Sky arse teams. And that is a pleasure.
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A three game bad run. Yes we may get relegated but there are still 18 games to go to try and save our PL status. At least it will be 'exciting' or nerve wracking rather than boring mid-table mediocraty? Plus we may get a trip to Wembley too!!
We have to stick with PL - changing the manager would be utter madness IMO. It is tight at the bottom - string an unbeaten run together things will look a whole lot different. If we get relegated so what - I think a more exciting league to get out of and I think PL would get us out of it??
Think positive chaps!!
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I very rarely look at this thread but agree with a great deal of it.
It is a pathetic situation. We can all have faith or just blind faith but this is fucking crap.
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Just heard Lambert say on the radio after the game,that he won't be looking to bring any experience in during the window,but will try to add some young hungry kids if he can. Never dreamed i would be saying this,but the longer this guy is in charge the more clueless he seems.He comes across to me as being even more stubborn than the loser we had in charge last year.If Lambert is serious in what he says,then Championship here we come i'm afraid .This present squad just not good enough