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Off Topic => Sports Arena => Topic started by: placeforparks on September 11, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
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wiggins, farah, murray, weir, ennis.
hard to remember a year when we had so many deserving candidates.
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Shouldn't this be in the "Sports Arena" section ?
Can a Mod/Admin please do the honours.
Wiggo should win by a mile but he'll probably just about scrape home.
If Murray wins, the Beeb will have to change the wording at last, to read "Person" rather than "Personality".
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Armando Iannucci @Aiannucci
I think all the nominees for "Sports Personality of the Year" should fight it out in a series of events held over a fortnight in Stratford.
Seems a reasonable idea to me.....
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Got to be John Terry.
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They gave it to Nigel No Personality Mansell one year so a precedent has been set.
Surely to goodness Wiggo or Ennis over that professional miserabalist Murray.
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Fuck Murray, Sour faced ******, Ennis for me and she is also pleasing on the eye
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I there are so many possibles this year, it would be unfair to single out one particular person or team, so they should forget it this year and do a huge joint award for Team GB, Olympic and Paralympic.
That way both Wiggins and Murrey would be awarded too.
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Jess Ennis is lovely and was fantastic but in terms of achievement she really shouldn't be competing with Wiggo, Mo or the miserable scot this year.
Wiggo first ever British Winner of the TDF and a gold medal at the olympics.
Mo did the double in 2 of the hardest track events, again the first brit to ever achieve it.
Murray olympic gold and a grand slam, first british grand slam winner for 30odd years, first male in 76years.
Ennis olympic gold in an event we last won 12 years ago, I'd actually not even have her as top female, for me that would go to Katherine Grainger for getting her gold after 3 consecutive Silvers.
I'd be suprised if Ainslie and Sir Chris aren't in the nominations as well.
I can't decide between Mo and Wiggo for my choice, both great achievements and both great personalities who will inspire a generation.
Ellie Simmonds has got to be favourite for the 'young' title, got a feeling Tom Daley will feature heavily in that one though.
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Team GB can get the team award, Murray the main award. He might be a miserable sod but his achievements this year are exceptional, that can't be denied and it's too difficult to choose between the likes of Wiggins et al.
Either that or give it to Fat Frank for nearly getting a hat trick in that sparkling display against Moldova.
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Has to be Wiggo. It has to be, surely.
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Sports personality.....??
Ellie Simmons
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Fuck Murray, Sour faced c***, Ennis for me and she is also pleasing on the eye
With all your experience of competing for grand slams I can see the authority from which you speak there.
Honestly, the Murray-bashing from keyboard warriors is totally pathetic. Fuck that, I say.
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Sports personality.....??
Ellie Simmons
Yes, now, if there's going to be a single winner that's exactly who should win it.
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So no darts or snooker players this year then ?
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Murray then Wiggo for me, Mo 3rd.
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I'd give it to Wiggo but I think Murray will win it and I don't particularly object to that.
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McIlroy for me.
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1. Wiggins
2. Farah.
3. Ennis
Team. Sky Cycling team.
Manager. Dave Brailsford.
Overseas. Phelps. Or the Lithuanian? swimmer from Plymouth.
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Wiggo has 54% of the vote a the moment on the Telegraph poll.
Murray has 22% with no one else in double figures
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Fuck Murray, Sour faced c***, Ennis for me and she is also pleasing on the eye
With all your experience of competing for grand slams I can see the authority from which you speak there.
Honestly, the Murray-bashing from keyboard warriors is totally pathetic. Fuck that, I say.
Agree completely.
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1. Wiggins
2. Farah.
3. Ennis
Team. Sky Cycling team.
Manager. Dave Brailsford.
Overseas. Phelps. Or the Lithuanian? swimmer from Plymouth.
Usain Bolt for overseas surely?
I can see all of Team GB and Paralympics GB being honoured with Team award, otherwise you're ignoring the successes of others like GB rowing who were just as succesfull
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Fucking hell lads it was a bit of tongue in cheek have a day off. If you don't like what I say just ignore it
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David Beckham
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I was following the Murray match on my phone, in bed, using Twitter as that seemed to update quicker than the BBC. Anyway, I was surprised to see everyone immediately start speculating about how that might affect SPOTY, as though that was as much an achievement as winning the bloody US Open!
It will be a very competitive one this time, I agree, but it should really just be a bonus for the likes of Wiggins, Murray and Farah.
I'd say the shortlist of 10 would be something like this:
Wiggins, Farah, Murray, Hoy, Kenny, Trott, Weir, Simmonds, Dujardin, McIlroy (if he remains "British"), and Ennis - with perhaps Storey or Ainslie swapped in; then I can see the cycling and paralympic votes being split, leaving the door open for Farah or Murray.
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After some consideration the winner must be.................Phillips Idowu!!
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Wiggo for me
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Should be Wiggins. I won't be Murray because not enough English will vote for him.
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In previous years the Beeb had a website poll so hopefully they will do the same.
Wiggo for me with Mo Farrah and Jess Ennis fighting it out for 2nd and 3rd. The combined Olympic/Paralympic teams should get the team vote and either Tom Daley or Ellie Simmonds for the young personality award. Bolt will walk the overseas award and I'd have Seb Coe as an outside bet for a lifetime achievement award.
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Wiggins for me but I can see the Scottish masses getting together and giving a huge vote for Murray.
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1. Wiggins
2. Farah.
3. Ennis
Team. Sky Cycling team.
Manager. Dave Brailsford.
Overseas. Phelps. Or the Lithuanian? swimmer from Plymouth.
I'd vote the same apart from having Bolt for Overseas
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For the overseas I'd go for David Rhodesia(sure the spelling is wrong)for what he did in the 800 metres.
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Bolt and Phelps are the only choices for the foreign spot.
Bolt should win the only person in history to defend 100 and 200 titles but phelps has to be included for the whole most medals ever, still not sure I deem that as big an achievement though, there are far too many similar events in swimming for my liking.
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Not sure why there's a debate. Wiggins did what no other Brit has done before. The rest are just repeat successes.
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any programme with that smug twat john inverdale on should be cancelled.
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Not sure why there's a debate. Wiggins did what no other Brit has done before. The rest are just repeat successes.
No brit has ever won the 5k and 10k in the same games either.
No brit has ever won the olympic gold and a grand slam in the same year.
I agree wiggo is the favourite but those 2 aren't repeat successes.
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Not sure why there's a debate. Wiggins did what no other Brit has done before. The rest are just repeat successes.
No brit has ever won the 5k and 10k in the same games either.
No brit has ever won the olympic gold and a grand slam in the same year.
I agree wiggo is the favourite but those 2 aren't repeat successes.
That's a fair comment re Farah no Brit man has ever won the 5 or 10 in the Olympics. I suspect the athletics vote will be split.
Regarding the tennis the Olympic gold in tennis counts for less than a slam in the overall focus of players year, you only need to look at previous winners. Wiggins has won the biggest bike race which happens only once a year unlike the 4 slams.
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I completely agree, which is why wiggo > mo > miserable scot is my order.
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It's nice to have lots of candidates for a change instead of the barrel scraping of recent years.
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In reverse order... Farah, Wiggins, Murray, Heskey.
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any programme with that smug twat john inverdale on should be cancelled.
Or, as its known in the business "polished".
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I would be truly amazed if Murray did not win this year- there are several worthy winners but I think the higher profile of tennis will see Murray get more votes than the likes of wiggins , farah ,etc.
Grand slam winner,Wimbledon final and Olympic gold and silvers medals I think will sway it in his favour- the standard this year is probably higher than ever .
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what about Sarah Storey with 4 gold medals , just failing to make the cut at ablebodied level too
oh sorry she's female ......
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what about Sarah Storey with 4 gold medals , just failing to make the cut at ablebodied level too
oh sorry she's female ......
Zara Phillips, Kelly Holmes, Paula Radcliffe, Liz Mcolgan, Fatima Whitbread! Virginia Wade, Mary Peters, The Princess Anne! Ann Jones, Mary Rand, Dorothy Hyman, Anita Lonsbrough.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/12/bbc-sports-personality-of-year-changes
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/12/bbc-sports-personality-of-year-changes
I completely forgot about the "no female" controversy last year.
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I would hope it was Elle or Jonny Peacock for yspoty. But I expect Daley to get the hormonal female votes.
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A few days later post, but another English cyclist with a chance for SPOTY?
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Who gets your vote? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sports-personality/20466947)
Poll to follow.
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McIlroy. Best in the world and he couldn't have done much more this year. He didn't get a gold medal in London though so he's got absolutely no chance with the Great British Public.
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Short list (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sports-personality/20466947) just been announced. Perhaps a mod could add a poll?
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or merge with the new topic?!
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Wiggins.
With all due respect to some absolutely outstanding achievements in the Olympics, his Tour win is unique in the sporting history of our country.
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Wiggins.
With all due respect to some absolutely outstanding achievements in the Olympics, his Tour win is unique in the sporting history of our country.
This.
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Wiggins.
With all due respect to some absolutely outstanding achievements in the Olympics, his Tour win is unique in the sporting history of our country.
This.
Absolutely
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Wiggins.
With all due respect to some absolutely outstanding achievements in the Olympics, his Tour win is unique in the sporting history of our country.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Wiggins.
With all due respect to some absolutely outstanding achievements in the Olympics, his Tour win is unique in the sporting history of our country.
This.
Absolutely
Yep. Me too.
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Wiggins.
With all due respect to some absolutely outstanding achievements in the Olympics, his Tour win is unique in the sporting history of our country.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Agreed.
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Anybody in sport that can get me jumping up and down in my living room like a lunatic the same way as when I see/hear the Villa scoring away from home has a chance of my vote. To do that twice makes it no contest.
Mo Farah.
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I've gone for Ben Ainslie. Medals at four consecutive games, in two different classes, three of the medals gold.
That said, I could probably look at this list and change my mind every day until the award is given.
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Wasn't this thread started after the Olympics, too?
I remember saying that there were too many worthy winners, but, Ellie Simmonds would be my pick.
EDIT:
Sports personality thread started on September 11th by placeforparks.
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Brian Little. He should win it every year.
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OUCH! Just seen this. Sorry. I'll merge the threads.
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Wasn't this thread started after the Olympics, too?
I remember saying that there were too many worthy winners, but, Ellie Simmonds would be my pick.
Yes. Not seen it before. I'll merge them as opposed to lock the original.
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It's really tough, because in any 'normal' year most of them would be more worthy winners than the likes of Ryan Gigss and other past winners.
Wiggins --> Farrah --Murray in that order.
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Wiggins just over Murray. Both fantastic achievements, but Wiggins seems like a genuinely good bloke. Farah for third.
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Wiggins
Farah
Not fussed
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You just know it's going to be one of the 'Big Guns' that win it. That's why I'd love to see someone like Ellie win with Katherine Grainger, Sarah Story or David Weir making up the top 3.
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Can't split the achievements of Wiggo and Murray, but I think Wiggo will win it due to the perceived anti Englishness of Murray (which is bollox). I would be happy with either winning it and I would hope that Farah is 3rd, because 5 and 10k double has never been done by a GB athlete before either.
It's a good list, although there is one glaring omission in my eyes with no Laura Trott listed and the panel that picked it should have their collective backsides kicked for not including her. I was lucky enough to be at the Rowing when Kath Grainger won her Gold medal and I am quite pleased she is on the list, but no way is she in front of what Trott has achieved this year?
I think they probably should have increased it to 15 and then Trott, Brownlee and maybe Poulter could have been included too.
I have also just read that they have increased the shows running time too 2.5 hours. I think that it has been such a stellar year that they should have cleared the schedules that night and done it proper justice with a 4 hour programme.
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Should be Wiggo but I have a feeling that the BBC Olympic coverage will swing the vote on the night to Mo Farah, who would be my second pick anyway.
That McIlroy, Jess Ennis and Chris Hoy probably won't make the top three will tell us all we need to know about what a superb year it was away from the bloody football!
The whole British Olypic and Paralympic team will win team of the year, that's a given.
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Bradley Wiggins, whatever the achievments of the others he simply had an incredible year. He won Paris–Nice,Tour de Romandie, Critérium du Dauphiné all top class races as well as the 2012 Tour de France and the time trial at the Olympics. He also has a personality.
And a good point about Laura Trott.
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Wiggins
Hoy
Anyone but Murray
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Wiggo
No one else in the picture
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How does a retired ex-Everon / ex-Rangers footballer make it onto the list ?
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Why wasnt Richard Whitehead on that list. By a mile the most sensational performance in either of the two summer games!
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Is he the one who moved from doing the marathon to sprinting because there wasn't a marathon for leg amputees in the Paralympics? If so then yes, a remarkable feat.
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Is he the one who moved from doing the marathon to sprinting because there wasn't a marathon for leg amputees in the Paralympics? If so then yes, a remarkable feat.
Thats the chappie.
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Is he the one who moved from doing the marathon to sprinting because there wasn't a marathon for leg amputees in the Paralympics? If so then yes, a remarkable feat.
Freudian?
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Is he the one who moved from doing the marathon to sprinting because there wasn't a marathon for leg amputees in the Paralympics? If so then yes, a remarkable feat.
Freudian?
Very good.
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Is he the one who moved from doing the marathon to sprinting because there wasn't a marathon for leg amputees in the Paralympics? If so then yes, a remarkable feat.
Freudian?
Ha!
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I follow cycling far more than tennis but my vote would go to Murray purely on the level of competition he faced. You can make a valid argument for either, though.
Overseas, I'd award it to Katie Taylor or David Rudisha.
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Murray for me to, not that i'm into tennis anymore,
i think one of the Olympians will win it, and it wouldnt matter which one as they are all well deserving apart from anyone that rides a bike, as they are all on drugs FACT
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Murray for me to, not that i'm into tennis anymore,
i think one of the Olympians will win it, and it wouldnt matter which one as they are all well deserving apart from anyone that rides a bike, as they are all on drugs FACT
So Wiggins then?
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Murray for me to, not that i'm into tennis anymore,
i think one of the Olympians will win it, and it wouldnt matter which one as they are all well deserving apart from anyone that rides a bike, as they are all on drugs FACT
So Wiggins then?
This is why Armstrong is such a big thing, it's completely sullied the reputation of the sport.
For the record the times recorded in the mountains and the performances in the stages suggest to me that this years tour was pretty clean, Wiggins in particular was tested after pretty much every stage, and has been very vocal against drugs for his entire career, I'd be very suprised if there was any evidence to suggest he's ever doped.
Importantly, because of the nature of cycling, the maths to predict someones physical capacity as a rider are pretty accurate and Wiggins performances for the last few years as a rider are perfectly in line with the maths for the predicted improvements.
It's also well worth noting just how good team sky were as a unit, the teamwork they showed was far in advance of anyone else, which pushed Wiggins and Froome to the top.
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Murray for me to, not that i'm into tennis anymore,
i think one of the Olympians will win it, and it wouldnt matter which one as they are all well deserving apart from anyone that rides a bike, as they are all on drugs FACT
I ride a bike and I don't take drugs FACT!!!!!!!!
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Also saying FACT at the end of a sentence doesn't make it true FACT.
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Also saying FACT at the end of a sentence doesn't make it true FACT.
really, i thought it did
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I ride a bike and I don't take drugs FACT!!!!!!!!
Has anyone ever tried riding a bike whilst off their chops on chemicals?
I tried it a few years ago - tried to ride a mate's mountain bike - and it was impossible
I dunno how Lance Armstrong manages it but fair play to him
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I ride a bike and I don't take drugs FACT!!!!!!!!
Has anyone ever tried riding a bike whilst off their chops on chemicals?
I tried it a few years ago - tried to ride a mate's mountain bike - and it was impossible
I dunno how Lance Armstrong manages it but fair play to him
I had a few beers at work a few years ago and tried to ride home. Ended up falling off my bike and into some bushes (luckily). Never again.
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my 'all on Drugs' line was tongue in cheek by the way.
but seriously i hope another bike person doesnt win tonight, the cyclists have a big following bit like fishing, but one winner every few decades or so years is quite enough
i'm not taring all cycle fans with the same brush but are they all 'trekkies' favourite comedy 'big bang theory, all wearers of North Face sleeveless jackets and probably go out for a 40 mile cycle ride on Christmas day during the queens speech to blow the cobwebs away ?
that Wiggins seems OK, but is there a more boring sportsman alive than Cavendish, and i'm including Murray
or am i being a touch disingenuous
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A touch perhaps. Us velominati tend to wear Rapha rather than vulgar North Face clothing.
Wiggins achievement at the Tour, Olympics and not forgetting the Spring Classics will see him win way ahead of the Scottish miserabalist Murray.
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my 'all on Drugs' line was tongue in cheek by the way.
but seriously i hope another bike person doesnt win tonight, the cyclists have a big following bit like fishing, but one winner every few decades or so years is quite enough
i'm not taring all cycle fans with the same brush but are they all 'trekkies' favourite comedy 'big bang theory, all wearers of North Face sleeveless jackets and probably go out for a 40 mile cycle ride on Christmas day during the queens speech to blow the cobwebs away ?
that Wiggins seems OK, but is there a more boring sportsman alive than Cavendish, and i'm including Murray
or am i being a touch disingenuous
Cavendish has a very dry sense of humour, but hey, you may be right about his personality, he does come across as a bit 'focused'.
Either way, Wiggins not only has a good personality, he has also done something that NO Brit has ever done before, something that makes him stand out even in a year as amazing as this was.
Ryder Cup team for team of the year?
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In any other year the Ryder Cup team, but Team GB will walk it surely?
Just so long as the lottery wining chavs from Stamford Bridge don't get a mention I'll be happy & hopefully Corinthians will have seen them off well before tonight.
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10:30 ko our time.
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Really? You should be ashamed you even know that ;)
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Not watching live then?
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I won't be to badly naffed of if Wiggins wins it because he seems a decent bloke for a cyclist,
but 2 in the last 2 years is just a Bit much
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John, look at how British cycling has come from the relative wilderness to the dominant force it is today, that's why cyclist win it.
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British Cycling, first on the track and now on the road, is quite possibly the greatest sporting success story from these islands in the last 20 years. That's why Hoy, Cav and, quite probably come this evening, Wiggo will have won SPOTY.
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Cycling is no more of a minority sport than tennis or athletics.
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That Posnan scene was cringeworthy.
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Cycling is no more of a minority sport than tennis or athletics.
Not anymore it isn't. Wiggins, Cav, Hoy but especially David Brailsford have seen to that.
I have normally avoided Sports Personality as most seem to lack personality but I thought this year I will watch it what with everything that has happened but even with a plethora of successes it is still an incredibly tedious programme.
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A bit of harmless fun, cringeworthy was Andy Murray. The blokes starts at downcast, completely misses out angry and ends up at dll and dour.
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Cycling in a velodrome is just pants. Super special bikes weighing an being ridden by physical freaks. Sorry just no correlation to real life something that a classic Olympic event must have. On the other hand Road cycling is great.
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Cycling in a velodrome is just pants. Super special bikes weighing an being ridden by physical freaks. Sorry just no correlation to real life something that a classic Olympic event must have. On the other hand Road cycling is great.
Why must a "classic Olympic event" look like real life ?
All sport at the highest level bears no relation to anything the rest of the general population could do.
Indoor cyclists are no more physical freaks than, for example, international Rugby players, Olympic swimmers or......... Christian Benteke
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Overseas SPOTY has got to be.............
(http://www.atticusuncensored.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Pablo-kung-fu-Panda-Sandoval.jpg)
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Voting phone line permanently engaged. I can feel a BBC controversy coming...
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/wanker_zps0e5affb0.jpg)
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If I were giving out awards tonight I'd definatly give Ennis one (boom boom).
Anyway, Wiggo ftw. Ennis 2nd, Farah 3rd.
Gamesmakers should be team of the year.
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Voting phone line permanently engaged. I can feel a BBC controversy coming...
Just made 3 calls from 3 different phones (3 different family members) without a problem.
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Ennis droping in the betting.
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Managed to get through now
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Ennis droping in the betting.
She could go down in my house as well.
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Voted for Wiggo.
2nd would be Murray & 3rd the Mobot.
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Ennis droping in the betting.
She could go down in my house as well.
Dirty!
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Oh FFS Brand Beckham somehow manages to get on stage once again.
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He's still a fucking Tory bastard.
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Just gone cringeworthy overload.
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Well I guess that leaves Wiggins.
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Fixed! On your bike son.
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The right man wins!
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A well worthy winner. I was hoping Mo got third mind.
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Pffft, rubbish choice. What's he ever done to warrant it? All he does is sit down. Fat people ride bikes just as well in the gym.
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I enjoyed that. Amazing year of sport, well documented. No doubt some of it provoked a chorus of harrumphing from the Statlers and Waldorfs but such programs aren't for everyone, evidently.
I inadvertently switched channels to BBC4 where I heard Phill Jupitus referring to Chas & Dave's "great body of work" which must be the unintentional joke of the century.
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I voted for Wiggo. The other two votes from the Maidstonevillain household were for Farah and Ennis. I hoped Farah would get second.
Do the full results get published?
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Ennis droping in the betting.
Ennis was droping? Got evidence.
Oh, dropping!
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Would have been happy with either Murray or Wiggins winning as I couldn't split their achievements. Didn't actually think that Murray would get top 3, so very happy with that.
Once again though I thought the actual programme was shite. I remember it in it's previous guise as "Sports Review of the Year" with the Personality revealed at the end. Would like to have seen a lot more actual sport last night and if I ever hear bloody Eddie Butler's voice over one more montage, it will be too soon.
I guess this is the price for most sport not being on the BBC anymore?
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Full results from the BBC website.
Total votes: 1,626,718
1. Bradley Wiggins 492,064 (30.25%)
2. Jessica Ennis 372,765 (22.92%)
3. Andy Murray 230,444 (14.17%)
4. Mo Farah 131,327 (8.07%)
5. David Weir 114,633 (7.05%)
6. Ellie Simmonds 102,894 (6.33%)
7. Sir Chris Hoy 42,961 (2.64%)
8. Nicola Adams 35,560 (2.19%)
9. Ben Ainslie 35,373 (2.17%)
10. Rory McIlroy 29,729 (1.83%)
11. Katherine Grainger 28,626 (1.76%)
12. Sarah Storey 10,342 (0.64%)
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BBC history was made last night. It was the first time the words "Andy Murray" and "personality" have ever been used in the same sentence.
If/when Scotland gain independence, can we retrospectively strip him of this award?
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I did intend to watch but missed it all for various reasons.
But then with David Beckham, a member of the Royal Family and an ex Tory MP all on stage at once I'm rather glad I did.
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i think its the only year i can remember that i wouldnt have minded any one of the nominees winning it,
they all looked worthy winners to me
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Ben Ainslie, sailing was the only way out of the ghetto.