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Title: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2012, 12:02:41 AM
Assuming some signings were too late for Newcastle.

Guzan (I hope)
Lowton
Bennett
Vlaar
Dunne
El Ahmadi
Westwood
Ireland
Nzogbia
Benteke
Bent

Subs Holman, Bowery, Bannan, Gabby, Given, Baker, Johnson
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2012, 12:04:04 AM
Get N'Zogbia out of there, Holman in the squad ahead of him for starters.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2012, 12:05:34 AM
Get N'Zogbia out of there, Holman in the squad ahead of him for starters.

Yes agree that was my biggest consideration, just think that Nzog surely has to start performing sooner or later.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: villan from luton on September 01, 2012, 12:11:19 AM
I think Holman has to be chosen ahead of N'Zogbia, who continues to flatter to deceive. Nzog has talent, but has done f all to show us this.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2012, 12:12:39 AM
Its quite tough now trying to pick a team.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Monty on September 01, 2012, 12:15:23 AM
Get N'Zogbia out of there, Holman in the squad ahead of him for starters.

Yes agree that was my biggest consideration, just think that Nzog surely has to start performing sooner or later.

I think he could do with being dropped. Now we have something resembling a squad with quite a few hungry younger players fighting for a place in the squad he needs to be shown he can't take anything for granted.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: villan from luton on September 01, 2012, 12:28:20 AM
What we need more than most is 11 players playing as a team. I think Ireland is now up for doing this, think he is a c*ck, but he has talent. Not sure N'Zogbia gives a monkeys about the club, hope I am proved wrong
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2012, 12:33:08 AM
Assuming some signings were too late for Newcastle.

Guzan (I hope)
Lowton
Bennett
Vlaar
Dunne
El Ahmadi
Westwood
Ireland
Nzogbia
Benteke
Bent

Subs Holman, Bowery, Bannan, Gabby, Given, Baker, Johnson

no Delph?
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2012, 12:35:21 AM
Assuming some signings were too late for Newcastle.

Guzan (I hope)
Lowton
Bennett
Vlaar
Dunne
El Ahmadi
Westwood
Ireland
Nzogbia
Benteke
Bent

Subs Holman, Bowery, Bannan, Gabby, Given, Baker, Johnson

no Delph?
Yes please. Always ahead of Bannan in my books.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2012, 12:39:18 AM
I think Holman has to be chosen ahead of N'Zogbia, who continues to flatter to deceive. Nzog has talent, but has done f all to show us this.
A great pity.
I was really pleased when he signed.
I desparately want him to do well and often fight his corner when everyone else around me is giving him stick, but....
...Holman ahead of him these days!
 
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2012, 01:13:54 AM
Assuming some signings were too late for Newcastle.

Guzan (I hope)
Lowton
Bennett
Vlaar
Dunne
El Ahmadi
Westwood
Ireland
Nzogbia
Benteke
Bent

Subs Holman, Bowery, Bannan, Gabby, Given, Baker, Johnson

no Delph?

Ok you've sold me but only on the bench and ahead of Johnson and for what it's worth I don't particularly like Bannan either.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 01, 2012, 01:22:12 AM
Assuming some signings were too late for Newcastle.

Guzan (I hope)
Lowton
Bennett
Vlaar
Dunne
El Ahmadi
Westwood
Ireland
Nzogbia
Benteke
Bent

Subs Holman, Bowery, Bannan, Gabby, Given, Baker, Johnson

no Delph?

Ok you've sold me but only on the bench and ahead of Johnson and for what it's worth I don't particularly like Bannan either.
Bannan just ain't got it IMO...
let's play the new boys!
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2012, 01:46:08 AM
I'll be the first to say it...I have no fcukin idea who will play so its time for us to sit back and watch PLs vision materialise. It will also be interesting to see what his settled team will look like and how we will play when all the players are available and back from injury/suspension.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: VancouverLion on September 01, 2012, 06:08:16 AM
Must say it baffles me when I see team selections and CNZ is in the first 11! Ok so I watch the games on tv being I live In Vancouver but I'm yet to see him have a decent game in the year he's been here!! All I see is him sulking, produces next to f**k all as an attacking threat, crosses are non existent, zero assists, zero goals. I just don't get it at all.
He'd be nowhere near my first eleven that is for sure.
Please tell me what I don't see on the box??...

UTV!!
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: supertom on September 01, 2012, 07:49:27 AM
I'd still stick with Delph and KEA partnered in the middle for now. Thought they were decent against WH. I'll start Ash on the bench.
Otherwise, Holman for N'Zog (who I wouldn't even have on the bench), and get Dunne (Baker in) down the nearest boozer and out of sight, and it's that.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Jim Shoes on September 01, 2012, 08:55:18 AM
Baker in for Dunne as he hasn't played badly at all. Use Dunne for cover.

Delph is still a good player so I wouldn't give up on him yet, he just needs games. I thought he was our best player away to WH although that's not saying much.

Guzan over Given has to happen. Not sure what has happened to Shay but he is a shadow of the keeper he once was.

Drop N'Zogbia completely from the squad, he either puts up and works out what he is supposed to be doing for the team or he should leave.

That's my 10c worth but as I haven't seen any of the new players play I don't have a clue how the man who's job it is to pick the team will go with after all that's the only persons choice that means anything.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Fernando Partridge on September 01, 2012, 09:25:54 AM
Assuming some signings were too late for Newcastle.

Guzan (I hope)
Lowton
Bennett
Vlaar
Dunne
El Ahmadi
Westwood
Ireland
Nzogbia
Benteke
Bent

Subs Holman, Bowery, Bannan, Gabby, Given, Baker, Johnson

So are the friday 'deadline' deals not allowed for newcastle match?
Remember we play on Sunday this weekend over 24hrs before though maybe a player has to register by friday?
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2012, 09:52:46 AM
Get N'Zogbia out of there, Holman in the squad ahead of him for starters.
Yes. N'Zogbia makes my blood boil during the match. I really do want to go and shake  him sometimes!
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2012, 09:55:44 AM

So are the friday 'deadline' deals not allowed for newcastle match?
Remember we play on Sunday this weekend over 24hrs before though maybe a player has to register by friday?
Only players registered before 12.00  mid day on Friday can play this weekend regardless  of games being on Saturday/Sunday/Monday.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on September 01, 2012, 09:58:13 AM
Still hopeful that N'Zogbia can pull it back from the abyss, doesn't look good though.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Concrete John on September 01, 2012, 10:01:37 AM
I think the Newcastle game will be interesting as there will be players sitting in the stand that those on the pitch know are gunning for their spot.  For instance, Delph/Westwood where one know that if he doesn't have a good game the other will have his shirt against Swansea.  A similar thing with Baker (who should be CB with Clark suspended) and Dunne nearing fitness.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: QBVILLA on September 01, 2012, 10:06:27 AM
We need Dunne back in the team ASAP. If nothing else he'll help Vlaar settle in a lot quicker.Without his return last season I think we'd have gone down. With a largely inexperienced squad, Dunne is one of our most important players for this season.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Concrete John on September 01, 2012, 10:22:41 AM
I think Dunne is there for experienced cover and will only play if Clark or Baker don't perform as we hope.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: CJ on September 01, 2012, 10:22:48 AM
I think:

Given
Lowton
Bennett
Vlaar
Dunne
KEA
Westwood
Ireland
Gabby
Benteke
Bent

Subs: Guzan, Baker, Lichaj, Delph, N'Zog, Holman, Bowery
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: QBVILLA on September 01, 2012, 10:24:44 AM
I think Dunne is there for experienced cover and will only play if Clark or Baker don't perform as we hope.


When fit i think he'll be one of the first names on the team sheet.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Concrete John on September 01, 2012, 10:24:46 AM
Given (although I'd like Guzan to get a go soon)

Lowton
Concrete Ron
Baker
Bennett

KEA
Delph/Westwood
Ireland
Holman

Bent
Benteke
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Concrete John on September 01, 2012, 10:25:48 AM
I think Dunne is there for experienced cover and will only play if Clark or Baker don't perform as we hope.


When fit i think he'll be one of the first names on the team sheet.

I guess it's a 'wait and see' on that one.  Clark has been poor so far, but if Baker does well at Newcastle I'd hope and expect him to keep the shirt.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: QBVILLA on September 01, 2012, 10:30:25 AM
I think Dunne is there for experienced cover and will only play if Clark or Baker don't perform as we hope.


When fit i think he'll be one of the first names on the team sheet.

I guess it's a 'wait and see' on that one.  Clark has been poor so far, but if Baker does well at Newcastle I'd hope and expect him to keep the shirt.

Of the two I think Clark will be the one who achieves the most in his career, but as you say he hasn't started the season well. Personally i'd rather see him playing as midfield anchor man before eventually moving to centre half.Baker, i'm still not totally convinced by but i'm a big believer in playing for the shirt.No greater incentive for a palyer than knowing that a good performance keeps your place and if he does and keeps Dunne and Clark on the bench it can only be healthy for his confidence.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Concrete John on September 01, 2012, 10:35:01 AM
I think Dunne is there for experienced cover and will only play if Clark or Baker don't perform as we hope.


When fit i think he'll be one of the first names on the team sheet.

I guess it's a 'wait and see' on that one.  Clark has been poor so far, but if Baker does well at Newcastle I'd hope and expect him to keep the shirt.

Of the two I think Clark will be the one who achieves the most in his career, but as you say he hasn't started the season well. Personally i'd rather see him playing as midfield anchor man before eventually moving to centre half.Baker, i'm still not totally convinced by but i'm a big believer in playing for the shirt.No greater incentive for a palyer than knowing that a good performance keeps your place and if he does and keeps Dunne and Clark on the bench it can only be healthy for his confidence.

Agree with you in parts, but I don't like Clark playing in midfield personally!

For me, a defender, particularly a CB, needs to defend first and formost.  If they are good on the ball and can add to attacks then great, but that's the icing on the cake and not their basic job in the team.  I thing Baker has done well when played at CB and looks a better natural defender than Clark, with Clark being the better natural footballer.  So, Clark needs to start getting the basics right and if he doesn't and/or can't, the he'll never fulfill his undoubted potential.   
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Arsey on September 01, 2012, 10:56:15 AM
throwing Westwood straight into central midfield would be very risky; personally I would put Clark in as a holding midfielder.  Our midfield is far too lightweight we were completely over powered against West Ham and Everton.

In fairness to Bananaman he was supposed to have been very good against Tranmere
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: darren woolley on September 01, 2012, 12:26:30 PM
I would put Holman ahead of N'Zogbia.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2012, 12:55:01 PM
I'm curious to see how we play, because I don't think it'll be 4-4-2 from the way Lambert wants to play but we are going to have to accommodate two strikers.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2012, 01:20:55 PM
I would put Holman ahead of N'Zogbia.

Zog doesn't even deserve a place on the bench at the moment
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: johncvilla88 on September 01, 2012, 01:26:30 PM
No one has pick Weimann even as a sub!
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: not3bad on September 01, 2012, 01:28:06 PM
A similar thing with Baker (who should be CB with Clark suspended)

Clark will be available for selection tomorrow.  He was only suspended for one game and that game was Tranmere.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: villan from luton on September 01, 2012, 01:38:13 PM
If Dunne is fit, he should be playing IMHO.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: oldham_villa on September 01, 2012, 03:03:08 PM
My team would be;

                   Given
Lowton - Vlaar - Baker - Bennett
      KEO - Westward - Delph
                 Holman
             Bent - Benteke
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Irish villain on September 01, 2012, 04:42:52 PM
No one has pick Weimann even as a sub!

He's my third choice striker I think and the one who will pressure the main two if they don't start scoring. He needs to feature in a lot of games this season, whether as a sub or starting when Benteke needs a rest.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2012, 08:17:58 AM
Given
Lowton
Bennett
Vlaar
Clark

Ireland
El ahmedi
Westwood
Holman

Bent
Benteke

Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 02, 2012, 09:49:27 AM
Guzan

Lowton
Ron
Dunne
Bennett

Ireland
KEA
Westwood

Holman
Bent
Gabby

I'd play the three in midfield together without Ireland being in an advanced role. IMO he needs to be facing the way we play more, when he plays too far forward he gets the ball with his back to goal too much and should be deeper where he can orchestrate things better and see forward passes.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: eastie on September 02, 2012, 09:59:50 AM
Guzan

Lowton
Ron
Dunne
Bennett

Ireland
KEA
Westwood

Holman
Bent
Gabby

I'd play the three in midfield together without Ireland being in an advanced role. IMO he needs to be facing the way we play more, when he plays too far forward he gets the ball with his back to goal too much and should be deeper where he can orchestrate things better and see forward passes.

No benteke then?
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: ROBBO on September 02, 2012, 10:19:43 AM
Dunne must play if fit he is still the best defender we've got,Ron has only played a couple so hard to judge.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: SW9-VILLA on September 03, 2012, 12:09:58 AM
I think Holman has to be chosen ahead of N'Zogbia.

This.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: ozzjim on September 03, 2012, 12:12:41 AM
I think:

Given
Lowton
Bennett
Vlaar
Dunne
KEA
Westwood
Ireland
Gabby
Benteke
Bent

Subs: Guzan, Baker, Lichaj, Delph, N'Zog, Holman, Bowery

This but Holman for Westwood would be mine. And I think we might go a bit route 1 and put the pressure on them. Weimann in on the Bench for Delph too. Don't need him and Westwood on the bench.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: ozzjim on September 03, 2012, 12:18:36 AM
Can I also point out the importance of this game. Swansea at home, for the second season in a row, comes at the most opportune time. Last season we beat Chelsea away and then were meekly battered by Swansea at VP and spurned the chance to kick on. This season, a win and we can take that confidence into the Southamption game and hopefully get 4-6 points out of the 2 games and show what we are all about. Massive game for the same reason as last. Different manager, different mentality. Lets hope a different response.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: tomd2103 on September 03, 2012, 12:32:28 AM
Can I also point out the importance of this game. Swansea at home, for the second season in a row, comes at the most opportune time. Last season we beat Chelsea away and then were meekly battered by Swansea at VP and spurned the chance to kick on. This season, a win and we can take that confidence into the Southamption game and hopefully get 4-6 points out of the 2 games and show what we are all about. Massive game for the same reason as last. Different manager, different mentality. Lets hope a different response.

Agree Jim, especially as we face the Albion at home after those two games.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Steve R on September 03, 2012, 02:19:48 AM
I didn't notice that this thread had started before we'd even played Newcastle. My first thought was 'christ we mist have played well, people can't even wait for the next pre-match thread'.

For what its worth, I'd keep faith with a successful team.

It's a bit of a novelty being able to debate which of our 4 strikers should be left out.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: robbo1874 on September 03, 2012, 02:36:48 AM
I'd be tempted to do that Steve.

However, I think Lambert could be the first manager we've had for as long as I can remember who looks as if he can properly utilise a squad and pick a starting 11 from the players available to him who can snuff out the threat of the opposition and exploit their weaknesses to get a result, rather than just relying on the same tactics and the same palyers week in, week out, whoever our opponents are.

We could well see a few changes from the side that faced Newcastle, as Swansea offer a diffrent kind of proposition to Newcastle and I think he'll pick a side to deal with them accordingly. 
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: eastie on September 03, 2012, 08:40:35 AM
I'd make 3 changes from yesterday with Bennett for lichaj,benteke for Weimann and Westwood for bannan.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Matt Collins on September 03, 2012, 08:47:07 AM
I think the diamond could be the way o go again v Swansea, given the way they play. We need numbers in central midfield. I think I'd bring in Bennett for lichaj and either gabby or benteke for weimann.

I have a feeling we're going to turn them over. And I think CNZ in behind the strikers could cause them real problems. But I think that may be a second half substitution
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: supertom on September 03, 2012, 08:57:26 AM
Gabby for Weimann. Otherwise, keep the same side.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 03, 2012, 09:13:21 AM
Guzan
Lowton Clark Vlaar Bennett
KEA
Holman Bannan
Ireland
Bent Agbonlahor
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on September 03, 2012, 09:20:25 AM
My team, now considering the Newcastle performance would be;

-------------------Guzan-------------------

---Lowton----Vlaar---Clark----Bennett---

--------------------KEA---------------------

------------Ireland-----Holman------------

-----------------Agbonlahor----------------

--------------Bent--------Benteke---------

Subs; Given, Baker, Bannan, Delph, Lichaj, Westwood, Wiemann.

I know that is an awfully attack minded line up, but its about time we stopped fannying around and stamped our authority on Villa Park and send out a message to the rest of the Prem, Everton was a one off!

As well I think Holman's energy yesterday was fantastic, Gabby looked quick as ever when he came on and Karimel was class. Pace, Power and attacking intent!
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 03, 2012, 09:34:08 AM
I think if we are to get the best out of Gabby, he needs to stop being played out of position (as such) and needs to be right up top.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: eastie on September 03, 2012, 09:35:36 AM
My team, now considering the Newcastle performance would be;

-------------------Guzan-------------------

---Lowton----Vlaar---Clark----Bennett---

--------------------KEA---------------------

------------Ireland-----Holman------------

-----------------Agbonlahor----------------

--------------Bent--------Benteke---------

Subs; Given, Baker, Bannan, Delph, Lichaj, Westwood, Wiemann.

I know that is an awfully attack minded line up, but its about time we stopped fannying around and stamped our authority on Villa Park and send out a message to the rest of the Prem, Everton was a one off!

As well I think Holman's energy yesterday was fantastic, Gabby looked quick as ever when he came on and Karimel was class. Pace, Power and attacking intent!

I'd go with that side other than gabby , I'd use him as an impact player off the bench and start Westwood alongside el ahmedi, with Holman and Ireland making up the midfield.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: NiiLamptey on September 03, 2012, 09:55:38 AM
I havent got a clue on our best team now... all i do know from what ive seen:

Ireland, Vlaar, Lowton, Guzan, KEA all deserves to keep their places

Nzog, Given, bannan, fonz,  can be dropped...

Wiemann, Gabby, Holman, Baker, Clarke, Delph have shown quality so could be in team:

I cant make my mind up on bent and know very little about Benteke! so the front line up is one im struggling with too....

Gabby = pace, as shown against newcastle, teams hate it
Bent = Finisher always handy to have as it wins games
Wiemann = can be magical in moments that have won us games
benteke = target man when under pressure but dont know much about him (will he be a super sub?)
fonz = dont think he is good enough
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: VillaAlways on September 03, 2012, 10:00:18 AM
Fonz is out on a season long loan at Blackpool
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Summers on September 03, 2012, 10:28:52 AM
Same team as against Newcastle, but with two changes. Bennett in for Lichaj and Benteke for Weimann. Shame for Weimann, but I can't wait to see what Benteke can do.

Westwood on the bench and replacing Bannan in the second half. I'd like to see him start, but makes sense to ease him in.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: onje_villa on September 03, 2012, 10:35:55 AM
Really excited with our progress against Newcastle but feeling a bit weary about Swansea, they're a real class act as we witnessed at VP last season and already this season they look good and have strengthened.

As long as people don't just expect us to turn them over, worried that yesterday's game has got people (myself included) slightly ahead of themselves. Having said that our squad is suddenly looking a lot stronger and competition for places will improve everyone's performances - great news!
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: onje_villa on September 03, 2012, 10:39:20 AM
On another note, God, VillaTalk is depressing...
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Pete3206 on September 03, 2012, 10:49:43 AM
                Given
Lowton  Vlaar  Clark  Lihaj
       Ireland  KEA  Delph
               Holman
         Weinmen  Bent

Guzan,Gabby, Benteke, Westwood, Bennett, Baker, Zog
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: JJ-AV on September 03, 2012, 10:54:09 AM
Unchanged for me. Maybe start Bennett.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 03, 2012, 10:54:18 AM
Lambert showed at Norwich he can flex his tactics depending on the opposition so expect changes against Swansea.

We know that they will try and control possession and, if they can't pass through us will look to counter attack with the wingers.

Therefore we need our fullbacks to occup them and for that reason Bennett should come in.

Isn't it nice to think we have more than one way of playing, will try to win the game and that the players are picked on form though!
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 03, 2012, 10:54:23 AM
Yes, Swansea are a class act, and I won't be slitting my wrists if they beat us. They can beat anybody on their day.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: not3bad on September 03, 2012, 12:55:28 PM
On another note, God, VillaTalk is depressing...

How so?
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: villadelph on September 03, 2012, 04:29:27 PM
               Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Clark Bennett
               Karim
Holman                Westwood
               Ireland
      Benteke      Bent

Lichaj played great but we need to make Swansea defend, Bennett will be able to attack and keep them on their heels. I thought Bannan played wetook faints Too  and hypothetically should deserve to start but I think with Bennett's attacking prowess a more responsible midfielder is necessary, enter Ashley Westwood. I threw Benteke in the line up because I want to see what he can do, no disrespect to Andi.

I think we can easily take three points off Swans pending the right attitude and tactics.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 03, 2012, 08:36:18 PM
Swansea? Lambs to the fucking slaughter!
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: silhillvilla on September 03, 2012, 08:40:02 PM
I'd go unchanged but we all know Lambert likes a rotation so expect 4 or 5 changes
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Holte L2 on September 03, 2012, 09:03:03 PM
                  Guzan

   Lowton Vlaar Baker Bennett

   Holman El Ahmadi Westwood

                 Agbonlahor

         Bent.           Benteke
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: onje_villa on September 03, 2012, 09:10:20 PM
On another note, God, VillaTalk is depressing...

How so?

Don't know just always feel a lot more positive and sane when on here than when I'm over on VT.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: sonlyme on September 03, 2012, 09:14:59 PM
On another note, God, VillaTalk is depressing...

VT - stayaways and serial gripers.

And talking of depressing ....  the comment column of Aston Villa News and Views - a pit of malcontents - I feel sorry for the bloke.

And Twatter is haunted by a twit called Big B - though oddly he's been very quiet about how shit we are and how we are doomed to relegation since Sunday .... round 4pm ish.

Cheer up u mooks - if nothing else - no TSM!
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: sonlyme on September 03, 2012, 09:16:46 PM
Lambert showed at Norwich he can flex his tactics

My mother was always a big fan of a man with this talent - as long as he doesn't put his back out.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Dave Cooper please on September 03, 2012, 10:12:43 PM
And talking of depressing ....  the comment column of Aston Villa News and Views - a pit of malcontents - I feel sorry for the bloke.


Don't bother.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: tomd2103 on September 04, 2012, 12:01:13 AM
               Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Clark Bennett
               Karim
Holman                Westwood
               Ireland
      Benteke      Bent

Lichaj played great but we need to make Swansea defend, Bennett will be able to attack and keep them on their heels. I thought Bannan played wetook faints Too  and hypothetically should deserve to start but I think with Bennett's attacking prowess a more responsible midfielder is necessary, enter Ashley Westwood. I threw Benteke in the line up because I want to see what he can do, no disrespect to Andi.

I think we can easily take three points off Swans pending the right attitude and tactics.

I think they definitely have a few defensive frailties that we can exploit.  Their two CBs are not the quickest (one of them got sent off Saturday so will be suspended) and they will probably have a youngster at LB to replace the injured Taylor.  With that in mind, I'd start Gabby up front with the instructions to get at those three in particular when he gets the ball.  The only other change I would make would be Bennett in for Lichaj. 
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 04, 2012, 08:10:59 AM
Yes, Swansea are a class act, and I won't be slitting my wrists if they beat us. They can beat anybody on their day.

We should be beating Swansea at home. Yes, they a a wonderful team to watch but they don't travel all that well and we should be the ones with the majority of the possession. That is unless you are TSM and you tell your team to park the bus at home and let them have the ball, and then have a goof like Warnock be schooled by a young winger. Confidence is high. Bring in Bennett and Benteke for sure and go right at them.

Guzan, Lowton, Bennett, Vlaar, Clark, KEA, Ireland, Bannan, Holman, Bent, Benteke
subs: Gabby, Lichaj, Given, N'Zogbia, Westwood, Weimann, Baker
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 04, 2012, 08:17:30 AM
I'm not a massive fan of either (at the moment) but I think Bannan and Agbonlahor should start v Swansea.

Bannan made 5 successful crosses v Newcastle, which could come in handy with Gabby in the side.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: eastie on September 04, 2012, 08:22:30 AM
               Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Clark Bennett
               Karim
Holman                Westwood
               Ireland
      Benteke      Bent

Lichaj played great but we need to make Swansea defend, Bennett will be able to attack and keep them on their heels. I thought Bannan played wetook faints Too  and hypothetically should deserve to start but I think with Bennett's attacking prowess a more responsible midfielder is necessary, enter Ashley Westwood. I threw Benteke in the line up because I want to see what he can do, no disrespect to Andi.

I think we can easily take three points off Swans pending the right attitude and tactics.


Totally agree with you, Westwood will be a huge asset to our team, excellent at keeping things going and keeping possession- the Swansea game should be very entertaining and a great spectacle.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: QBVILLA on September 04, 2012, 08:46:41 AM
I'd have Gabby alongside Bent and retain Bannan in the midfield. It's up to the new signings to force their way into the side over the coming months.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: timeoutbigbar on September 04, 2012, 09:05:03 AM
I'd have Gabby alongside Bent and retain Bannan in the midfield. It's up to the new signings to force their way into the side over the coming months.

Agreed.  If we start throwing too many new faces we risk losing any momentum gained from the Newcastle game.  Give a couple of the new boys (Benteke and Westwood) 20 mins or so and start Bennett.

Guzan, Lowton, Clark, Vlaar, Bennett, KEA, Delph, Ireland, Holman, Gabby, Bent.

subs: Given, Baker, Westwood, Bannan, N'zogbia, Benteke, Lichaj
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: ozzjim on September 04, 2012, 09:57:55 AM
Having watched the highlight of the Newcastle game weimann got through a lot of work, it would be harsh to drop him. A big part of how well we did was limiting their time and space on the ball, which we must also do to swansea
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: onje_villa on September 04, 2012, 10:14:42 AM
On another note, God, VillaTalk is depressing...

VT - stayaways and serial gripers.

And talking of depressing ....  the comment column of Aston Villa News and Views - a pit of malcontents - I feel sorry for the bloke.

And Twatter is haunted by a twit called Big B - though oddly he's been very quiet about how shit we are and how we are doomed to relegation since Sunday .... round 4pm ish.

Cheer up u mooks - if nothing else - no TSM!

Spot on, that Big B is the biggest tit since Jordan
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: not3bad on September 04, 2012, 10:49:51 AM
Guzan, Lowton, Clark, Vlaar, Bennett, KEA, Bannan, Ireland, Holman, Gabby, Bent.

subs: Given, Baker, Westwood, Delph, N'zogbia, Benteke, Lichaj
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Monty on September 04, 2012, 11:07:16 AM
Guzan, Lowton, Clark, Vlaar, Bennett, KEA, Bannan, Ireland, Holman, Gabby, Bent.

subs: Given, Baker, Westwood, Delph, N'zogbia, Benteke, Lichaj

It's hard to disagree with that basic squad (the first-team and subs will always be up for debate), though it is a touch hard on Herd, Bowery and Weimann especially. Nice position to be in, this 'leaving people out' thing!
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Clampy on September 04, 2012, 12:00:29 PM
What we did well against Newcastle was we closed them down and did'nt give them time on the ball. Even Pardew commented on how hard we worked. With that in mind, I'd leave the team unchanged.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: QBVILLA on September 04, 2012, 12:06:53 PM
What we did well against Newcastle was we closed them down and did'nt give them time on the ball. Even Pardew commented on how hard we worked. With that in mind, I'd leave the team unchanged.

Hard to disagree with that. Weimann will only need to take a glance at the bench and see Benteke and Gabby sat there to boost his self belief.Play for the shirt lads, give less than 100% and they'll be out of the side and may not get back in for a long time.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 04, 2012, 12:08:55 PM
With Gabby back from Injury and the new signings its interesting how stronger the team and squad look. I know there are quite a few untried at this level youngsters but i really feel that PL has done exactly what he said he would in getting in young and hungry and ambitious players

So much better to have the "unknowns" than the tired old heads that move from club to club

I do wonder though how much pressure PL will be under in playing the likes of Bentake considering the relative cost of him against the others?

I would be tempted to stick with the hard working team we had on Sunday apart from a single tweak in Bennett (if fit) for Lichaj as i always want specialised players in their right positions. Pretty pissed off with the break as i would love to see them so soon after the confidence came back at newcastle
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: QBVILLA on September 04, 2012, 12:10:21 PM
With Gabby back from Injury and the new signings its interesting how stronger the team and squad look. I know there are quite a few untried at this level youngsters but i really feel that PL has done exactly what he said he would in getting in young and hungry and ambitious players

So much better to have the "unknowns" than the tired old heads that move from club to club

I do wonder though how much pressure PL will be under in playing the likes of Bentake considering the relative cost of him against the others?

I would be tempted to stick with the hard working team we had on Sunday apart from a single tweak in Bennett (if fit) for Lichaj as i always want specialised players in their right positions. Pretty pissed off with the break as i would love to see them so soon after the confidence came back at newcastle

On the brightside KEA will hopefully be fit for the game
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: NiiLamptey on September 04, 2012, 12:37:27 PM
Not sure where to post this:

I liked the look of Carruthers last year when came on...  Where you think he will fit into this?
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Steve R on September 04, 2012, 12:48:51 PM
Gary Gardner is now sidelined, but I would hope both Carruthers and Daniel Johnson will see reasonable game time this season. We are still short of numbers in midfield so I can see no reason why not.

If not we should be pushing hard for loan deals for both.

It is hard to see Williams and Burke getting much of a look in, they should be loaned out immediately.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 04, 2012, 12:50:10 PM
I'm sure Carruthers is in the same boat as everyone else - impress in training, take your chance when it comes. That's how it should be anyway.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: timeoutbigbar on September 04, 2012, 12:55:44 PM
I'd like to see Carruthers go out on loan somewhere in the Championship and play week in week out.  I honestly haven't seen enough of him to make an informed judgement.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: UK Redsox on September 04, 2012, 01:19:45 PM
I'd like to see Carruthers go out on loan somewhere in the Championship and play week in week out.  I honestly haven't seen enough of him to make an informed judgement.

When Carruthers is fit, I'd have him in the squad ahead of Zog at the moment.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: pedro25 on September 04, 2012, 01:20:48 PM
As people have mentioned the likely squad for Swansea will probably see the likes of Herd, Bowery and Weimann unable to make the squad.  Given the likes of Dunne and Albrighton will soon be back fit I can't honestly see Carruthers, Johnson, Williams, Stevens, Burke etc. getting anywhere near the bench nevermind playing time, so some loaning out may be useful.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Boz on September 04, 2012, 01:39:56 PM
I'd keep the same team as at Newcastle subject to no injuries in training as long as we play a similar game. Swansea will want to keep possession as will Villa, could be an intriguing battle, but we need to take our chances.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Jarpie on September 04, 2012, 02:34:11 PM
I'm not sure how Albrighton fits the team since Lambert doesn't seem to use wingers, maybe tries to convert him into more central role?
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Monty on September 04, 2012, 02:38:19 PM
Lambert beat Swansea last year by pressing them absolutely relentlessly all over the pitch, upsetting their rhythm and not allowing them to play use their 'defending with the ball' strategy to calm situations down. You'd think, if we are to try that, Holman would be the first name on the teamsheet.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: not3bad on September 04, 2012, 02:47:38 PM
Swansea will want to keep possession as will Villa, could be an intriguing battle

Hopefully Swansea V Villa will be as good a spectacle this year as Stoke V Villa was bad last.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: danlanza on September 04, 2012, 02:51:24 PM
I'd like to see Carruthers go out on loan somewhere in the Championship and play week in week out.  I honestly haven't seen enough of him to make an informed judgement.
Same. He does look a sharp little bugger though.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: fredm on September 04, 2012, 04:52:40 PM
People have spoken about how PL changed the team/tactics at Norwich depending on the opposition etc.  That was ok there because the basis of the squad had been together for some time and were able to handle changes pretty easily.  At VP he is introducing a completely different style of playing so I think he will keep the team relatively stable for a few weeks, unless anything drastic goes wrong.  There might be the odd change and people on the bench will get 20 or 30 minutes to bed them in depending on the state of the game. So unless there is an injury or someone has a serious loss of form (see Given v Everton) then I think we shall be seeing a fairly settled team for a few weeks.

How things will pan out in the New Year when they are all bedded in remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: eastie on September 04, 2012, 05:12:15 PM
People have spoken about how PL changed the team/tactics at Norwich depending on the opposition etc.  That was ok there because the basis of the squad had been together for some time and were able to handle changes pretty easily.  At VP he is introducing a completely different style of playing so I think he will keep the team relatively stable for a few weeks, unless anything drastic goes wrong.  There might be the odd change and people on the bench will get 20 or 30 minutes to bed them in depending on the state of the game. So unless there is an injury or someone has a serious loss of form (see Given v Everton) then I think we shall be seeing a fairly settled team for a few weeks.

How things will pan out in the New Year when they are all bedded in remains to be seen.

I think Paul will make changes game by game depending on opposition ,the days of a settled team in mons style are thankfully gone and it's nice to have a modern thinking manager- could be a very enjoyable season ahead.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: gervilla on September 04, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
Swansea will want to keep possession as will Villa, could be an intriguing battle

Hopefully Swansea V Villa will be as good a spectacle this year as Stoke V Villa was bad last.

I sure hope so as it's my one trip over to VP for the season.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Matt Collins on September 04, 2012, 09:02:11 PM
What we did well against Newcastle was we closed them down and did'nt give them time on the ball. Even Pardew commented on how hard we worked. With that in mind, I'd leave the team unchanged.


Hard to disagree with that. Weimann will only need to take a glance at the bench and see Benteke and Gabby sat there to boost his self belief.Play for the shirt lads, give less than 100% and they'll be out of the side and may not get back in for a long time.

Not being harsh on weimann, but gabby created two outstanding chances in 20 minutes on the pitch and I think swansea's defence is ropey. If fit, I think gabby has to start.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 04, 2012, 09:25:58 PM
Don't worry Ger. It can't be as shit as your last visit...
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: gervilla on September 04, 2012, 09:28:20 PM
Don't worry Ger. It can't be as shit as your last visit...

The season before it was the Bolton game.
I'm due a win.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 05, 2012, 07:53:44 PM
Gabby will start I reckon.

He looked hungry in his cameo and has still got a fair bit of pace in his locker judging by his run for the Bent chance.

We still need his pace to stretch teams, particularly at VP. I think he'll be a key player under Lambert. Maybe him and Holman either side of Bent. Keep the same midfield trio.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Ian. on September 05, 2012, 08:36:24 PM
Swansea will want to keep possession as will Villa, could be an intriguing battle

Hopefully Swansea V Villa will be as good a spectacle this year as Stoke V Villa was bad last.

I sure hope so as it's my one trip over to VP for the season.
I hope you enjoy it ger and you can go home to Ireland happy.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: gervilla on September 05, 2012, 08:42:57 PM
Swansea will want to keep possession as will Villa, could be an intriguing battle

Hopefully Swansea V Villa will be as good a spectacle this year as Stoke V Villa was bad last.

I sure hope so as it's my one trip over to VP for the season.
I hope you enjoy it ger and you can go home to Ireland happy.

Cheers Ian.
Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Tuscans on September 05, 2012, 08:58:54 PM
                                                Guzan

Lowton                  Vlaar                           Clarke              Lichaj ( Is Bennett fit? )

                                              El Ahmadi

              Holman                                                    Delph

                                               Ireland

                        Agbonlahor                        Bent

Subs.

Given
Baker
Herd
Bannan
N'Zogbia
Weimann
Benteke

Was actually quite pleasing to be stuck for choice on who to start and then pick subs.  Don't know anything about Bowery or Westwood so couldn't pick them yet but I plumped for Guzan as he had a stormer against the Toon, Delph for a good game and goal against Tranmere and Gab as I believe he looks fit and fast and I liked the way Lambert put an arm around his shoulder when coming on against Newcastle and telling him to fucking rip them up, you're the best player in the world ( well thats what I like to think he said).
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Tucson Villain on September 05, 2012, 09:13:17 PM

Hopefully Swansea V Villa will be as good a spectacle this year as Stoke V Villa was bad last.

I sure hope so as it's my one trip over to VP for the season.
Can't be worse than the home game against Swansea last year, that was my only game of the season.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on September 05, 2012, 09:38:18 PM
Whilst we are still buzzing from the excellent performance against Newcastle. Lambert will be taking a good look at the new signings and working out strategy`s what will suit playing against Swansea. Think the only nailed on starters will be Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, KEA, Ireland, Holman and Bent. The other positions will be assesed after what he has seen in training leading up to the game. Everyone will know they have got to perform on the pitch and in training to be in Lamberts mind. Genuinely feel like we are going places ......
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 05, 2012, 09:53:23 PM
I think you have a point there, WW, didn't Lambert make 5 changes for the Newcastle game? One thing is for certain, we certainly have competition for places and it'll be interesting to see which of our younger players step up to the challenge.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: fredm on September 05, 2012, 10:00:09 PM
But how many aren't training till next Thursday due to international duty?  He will have difficulty blending them on the training pitch if most aren't there.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on September 05, 2012, 10:20:12 PM
But how many aren't training till next Thursday due to international duty?  He will have difficulty blending them on the training pitch if most aren't there.

Good point. But the nailed on players i mentioned have now perfomed at a level Lambert will be happy with. So the other four places to start with will more than likely be from the players who he has seen play. But Lambert will go by attitude and body language on the couple of days he has with the "later" players who attend training. Its all becoming interesting again after the nightmare of last season ......
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on September 05, 2012, 10:26:28 PM
I think you have a point there, WW, didn't Lambert make 5 changes for the Newcastle game? One thing is for certain, we certainly have competition for places and it'll be interesting to see which of our younger players step up to the challenge.

Yes he did make Five changes. Thats what makes me think he asseses players as the training week goes on. And makes decisions based on various criteria. Attitude, effort, body language and hunger ......
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Louzie0 on September 05, 2012, 10:27:35 PM
On another note, God, VillaTalk is depressing...

Agree.  It's part of the reason why I decided to join H&V.
H&V - the Rogers and Hammerstein, Lerner and Loewe of websites, and who needs more, eh?
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: bilsim on September 07, 2012, 01:16:13 AM
Whilst we are still buzzing from the excellent performance against Newcastle. Lambert will be taking a good look at the new signings and working out strategy`s what will suit playing against Swansea. Think the only nailed on starters will be Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, KEA, Ireland, Holman and Bent. The other positions will be assesed after what he has seen in training leading up to the game. Everyone will know they have got to perform on the pitch and in training to be in Lamberts mind Genuinely feel like we are going places ......

This
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: robbo1874 on September 07, 2012, 04:42:40 AM
It's hard not to think it, hey bilsim? It feels similar to when oneill breezed into town. Except the difference now is that there seems to be a basis in what you might almost call scientific method, as opposed to o'neill's charismatic madness. I'm really looking forward to the Swansea match, it could be a cracker. At the very least it's unlikely to be a hoof-fest, which is something.
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: sonlyme on September 11, 2012, 07:18:52 PM
Why on earth anyone would change the team that played at Newcastle is beyond me.

New signings or not - if a team performs like Villa did at Newcastle - the others have got to do something extra special to dislodge them.  However Lambert has shown he is flexible in selection and formation given the task in hand.  Against Swansea - the battle will be about controlling midfield - something we did at St James - reducing the much vaunted Pardew midfield to long balls and wonder strikes.  More of the same and I'll be a happy man - as long as we can finish some of the chances we create.

In Lambert I trust.

Give us a song Louzie0!
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 17, 2012, 10:09:54 AM
So this was the line up on Saturday think I was off the mark - who got closest?

 Guzan
04 Vlaar
06 Clark Booked
30 Lichaj Booked
34 Lowton Booked
07 Ireland (Westwood - 70' )
08 El Ahmadi
25 Bannan
09 Bent
14 Holman (N'Zogbia - 79' )
26 Weimann (Benteke - 71' )
Title: Re: Team to Face Swansea at Home
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 17, 2012, 04:20:32 PM
7 out of 11 for me. Erroneously put in Dunne, Bennett, Westwood and Gabby.
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