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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on August 28, 2012, 08:24:04 AM
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Available Tuesday night.
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We needed that, just for a bit of a confidence boost. I'm really glad that Bent scored as well. Now sign 3 players this week and start moving forward.
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Just what we needed, lets build on that now and start our season.
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Much needed win.
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Just what we needed, lets build on that now and start our season.
As someone said in the thread, now the season starts... a win is a win and well done the Villa
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Job done, comfortable win by the sounds of it. Good for Bent to get off the mark this season.
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I had almost forgotten what a win is like.
Lets keep it going v Newcastle.
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A win,and that's all that matters!!!! Now for some transfers......
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job done. Let's finish this week on a high of some quality players coming in, and Warnock and Hutton leaving
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Sounds like a good, professional job. Let's carry it on now.
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Great win to get at this time.
One thing though, attendance 15,319...when was there last an attendance that low for a first class game at Villa Park?...
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Well done lads a solid if not spectacular performance. Listened to the game on AVTV and it sounded very comfortable. Woodward made Ireland the standout performer.
Lets hope we can take the confidence earned from this display into our forthcoming league programme. Good for Lambo also to get a first competitive win.
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Just back in the car, that was probably the most possesion that we've ever had in a match, we kept the ball well. Ireland did well to create the last two goals and Baker was very dominating at the back, not much else to say really.
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Great win to get at this time.
One thing though, attendance 15,319...when was there last an attendance that low for a first class game at Villa Park?...
Last season has done a lot of damage, it is going to take a long time for that damage to be repaired.
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All the goals from tonight being shown on SSN now.
Ours haven't been on yet.
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We've had some (relatively) decent attendances in the League Cup in recent years. Tonight's is surprising. Loads of contributing factors though.
Think it being a Tuesday with a weekend home game before and it being £12 were the main ones though.
How many did Tranmere bring?
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Winning is a good feeling, long may it continue.
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We've had some (relatively) decent attendances in the League Cup in recent years. Tonight's is surprising. Loads of contributing factors though.
Think it being a Tuesday with a weekend home game before and it being £12 were the main ones though.
How many did Tranmere bring?
Just over 2,000 they said on 5-Live
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All the goals from tonight being shown on SSN now.
Ours haven't been on yet.
It's not really a big story though is it? 'Premier League wins comfortably' isn't really want they want to lead with.
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All the goals from tonight being shown on SSN now.
Ours haven't been on yet.
It's not really a big story though is it? 'Premier League wins comfortably' isn't really want they want to lead with.
I don't think he is moaning about them not being on, just giving info that they hadn't been on when he posted. SSN normally do show all the league cup goals from the Prem team matches at least plus selected others.
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For the first time in ages i think i'll watch a footy highlights show :)
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Well the media including Radio WM must be really pissed off that we went through so easily, its a start and lets hope Lambert can inspire the lads to get something at the Toon, 3 more players badly needed tho so come on Randy get that cheque book out.
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All the goals from tonight being shown on SSN now.
Ours haven't been on yet.
It's not really a big story though is it? 'Premier League wins comfortably' isn't really want they want to lead with.
I don't think he is moaning about them not being on, just giving info that they hadn't been on when he posted. SSN normally do show all the league cup goals from the Prem team matches at least plus selected others.
Yeah, just letting people know they'll be on at some point if they want to tune in.
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Sunderland at home - please please please
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For the first time in ages i think i'll watch a footy highlights show :)
Its on tommorow night.......BBC1
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Well a little light relief, if nothing else I can go to work with a smile on my face. We still need a huge performance against the barcodes this weekend, that and a couple of new faces at BH by Friday and we can start to breathe more easily.
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I can't remember a crowd that low since the holte was terracing. Any stato's care to correct me? I enjoyed the game. It was nice to see the full backs pushing on. I'm not sure the barcodes will be so accommodating though
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When was the last time we had such a low attendance? Ireland appears to be MOM by country mile.
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Ireland was excellent, had a part to play in all 3 goals, got to start on Sunday
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For the first time in ages i think i'll watch a footy highlights show :)
Its on tommorow night.......BBC1
Are you sure about that? I've had a look and it doesn't seem to be on. I don't think the highlights are going to be on terrestrial telly at all, but I hope I'm wrong.
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For the first time in ages i think i'll watch a footy highlights show :)
Its on tommorow night.......BBC1
Are you sure about that? I've had a look and it doesn't seem to be on. I don't think the highlights are going to be on terrestrial telly at all, but I hope I'm wrong.
Thursday night actually on BBC. After the Dogheads match and the cup draw.
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I thought Ireland was good and bannan was excellent. N'Zogbia was his usual self though.
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For the first time in ages i think i'll watch a footy highlights show :)
Its on tommorow night.......BBC1
Are you sure about that? I've had a look and it doesn't seem to be on. I don't think the highlights are going to be on terrestrial telly at all, but I hope I'm wrong.
BBC on Thursday night.
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Sunderland at home - please please please
When's the draw?
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Has to be Chaventry away for me.
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For the first time in ages i think i'll watch a footy highlights show :)
Its on tommorow night.......BBC1
Are you sure about that? I've had a look and it doesn't seem to be on. I don't think the highlights are going to be on terrestrial telly at all, but I hope I'm wrong.
Thursday night actually on BBC. After the Dogheads match and the cup draw.
My TV magazine says Weds BBC1 @ 11:15pm
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I thought Ireland was good and bannan was excellent. N'Zogbia was his usual self though.
That's the difference with N'Zogbia - the other two can play well given tactics, circumstances and mindset, but Zog almost seems willfully playing badly.
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Ireland stand out player on the pitch. I think Baker with Vlaar is a better choice than Clark. Herd showed a lot of energy. Still need quality. Hoping for at least four signings ...........
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For the first time in ages i think i'll watch a footy highlights show :)
Its on tommorow night.......BBC1
Are you sure about that? I've had a look and it doesn't seem to be on. I don't think the highlights are going to be on terrestrial telly at all, but I hope I'm wrong.
Thursday night actually on BBC. After the Dogheads match and the cup draw.
My TV magazine says Weds BBC1 @ 11:15pm
I've had a look on the internet and Luke is indeed right. Thursday at 11:20 on BBC1.
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Lowest crowd I've seen at VP - 15,319 was the official figure. The plus side of that is I'm back home less than an hour after the game finished whereas normally this time after a match I'd be just about on the Expressway!
Ireland was superb tonight, and Bannan and Delph linked the play up well but squandered possession at times. Doesn't look as though Enda Stevens will be the answer to our LB question, and that back 4 wouldn't survive a PL team challenge, but job done, 3 good goals and a clean sheet. Were the 2 disallowed goals correctly chalked off?
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Bents goals to chances ratio is 1 in 3 this season so far. He'd score about 75 a season for Man U.
Weneed to play to his strengths:get to the byline and cross it, he's lethal in that situ and world class at near post runs
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I'm normally the last person to get on a player's back but he's becoming the exception. He's so annoying to watch. It's like he turned up thinking he was signing for Barcelona and suddenly found himself here. He plays unhappy if such a thing exists.
Edit: I meant to quote the cnz post above but still working out the new phone
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Great win to get at this time.
One thing though, attendance 15,319...when was there last an attendance that low for a first class game at Villa Park?...
I went this evening, and it was really, really creepy seeing the ground quite so empty. I was actually surprised it was that many, I suspected it'd be less than that.
Mind you, we were in the lower Witton so couldn't see how many away fans there were.
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I thought Ireland was good and bannan was excellent. N'Zogbia was his usual self though.
That's the difference with N'Zogbia - the other two can play well given tactics, circumstances and mindset, but Zog almost seems willfully playing badly.
NZogbia always seems surprised to run out of pitch.
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I thought Ireland was good and bannan was excellent. N'Zogbia was his usual self though.
That's the difference with N'Zogbia - the other two can play well given tactics, circumstances and mindset, but Zog almost seems willfully playing badly.
NZogbia always seems surprised to run out of pitch.
Haha, nicely put.
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I thought Ireland was good and bannan was excellent. N'Zogbia was his usual self though.
That's the difference with N'Zogbia - the other two can play well given tactics, circumstances and mindset, but Zog almost seems willfully playing badly.
NZogbia always seems surprised to run out of pitch.
He's like a blind Ashley Young.
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Just got back. Job well done tonight. It's pleasing to see more of a passing game taking hold, everyone always seems to be looking for a pass to feet rather than a hoof. Ireland was the standout for me. Despite being a wrongun with his antics off the pitch he's the one guy we have with the vision and quality to unlock a defence with one pass. That ball through to Bent in the first half was brilliant. If we could get him back to his man city form it could make the difference this season because in theory him and Bent should be a match made in heaven.
I couldn't believe how bitter the tranmere fans were though. It seems like 94 still really hurts, and did anyone hear the one on talkshite? Saying how we were no better than the league 1 sides they'd played and how we'll get relegated. It was good to hear someone put him in his place and tell him who actually played for us tonight though.
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Another thing about the attendance - I thought they were closing the Upper Trinity? looked like a lot of people had relocated to one block to the left of the directors'/posh seats but there were still some people in the Upper
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Another thing about the attendance - I thought they were closing the Upper Trinity? looked like a lot of people had relocated to one block to the left of the directors'/posh seats but there were still some people in the Upper
I was surprised to see people up there, too.
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Sunderland at home - please please please
No let's hammer them in final
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Just a quick mention for Graham Burke, I thought he did well in his 15 minute cameo and looked very comfortable when recieving the ball in tight spaces.
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Ireland was excellent tonight, Bannan ok but still wastes too much good possession. Baker pretty solid but not with ball at his feet. Burke looked very comfy on the ball when he came on - not fazed at all.
We still need at least 3 quality players, including someone who can cross the ball! To one of our players preferably!
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Cheers luke, beat me to it re : Burke.
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A much needed win and we are safely into the hat for the next round
Nice to see Bent on the score sheet again and hopefully with a few additions to the squad before the transfer deadline we can kick on and start to move up the table
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Good result all round. Some nice stuff especially in the second half. Difficult to pick a player of the match though as no-one really stood out for me. CN'Z was, well, err...
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Great win to get at this time.
One thing though, attendance 15,319...when was there last an attendance that low for a first class game at Villa Park?...
Wednesday 21st September, 1994: Wigan Athletic, Coca Cola Cup Round 2, 1st Leg, 5-0, 12,433.
...and tonight's game was played 2.5 years to the day since we played Man United in the same competition at Wembley in front of 88,596.
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Warm glow of a win even warmer when I heard the Cov result!
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I remember that Wigan match. They were bottom of Div 4 IIRC and wore Inter strips and Nii Lamptey looked a player as we strolled it 5-0.
Us old farts remember plenty of gates lower than 15K.
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OMG I almost forgot.
I saw Wolfie tonight - he was in M5.
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OMG I almost forgot.
I saw Wolfie tonight - he was in M5.
Did you take a pic for Benidormvillain or were you too busy driving?
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OMG I almost forgot.
I saw Wolfie tonight - he was in M5.
Didn't know he was in an American punk band as well as being a celebrity Villa fan.
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OMG I almost forgot.
I saw Wolfie tonight - he was in M5.
Didn't know he was in an American punk band as well as being a celebrity Villa fan.
Never heard of them!
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OMG I almost forgot.
I saw Wolfie tonight - he was in M5.
Did you take a pic for Benidormvillain or were you too busy driving?
No, I was too starstruck.
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OMG I almost forgot.
I saw Wolfie tonight - he was in M5.
Didn't know he was in an American punk band as well as being a celebrity Villa fan.
Never heard of them!
They were actually called MC5, don't worry, it was a shit joke.
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Never heard of them, either.
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Well, the goals have just been on Sky. They were all pretty much carbon copies of a cross from the byline being tucked away. What it does prove is Aftab needs glasses as it was Stevens and not Ireland who crossed it for the first as he reported.
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OMG I almost forgot.
I saw Wolfie tonight - he was in M5.
Didn't know he was in an American punk band as well as being a celebrity Villa fan.
Never heard of them!
They were actually called MC5, don't worry, it was a shit joke.
I suspected you might have been thinking of MC5, but wasn't willing to risk the possibility of you actually referring to a band who really are called M5, thereby making me look out of touch.
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Well, the goals have just been on Sky. They were all pretty much carbon copies of a cross from the byline being tucked away. What it does prove is Aftab needs glasses as it was Stevens and not Ireland who crossed it for the first as he reported.
Aftab needs stronger glasses, then.
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I liked the look of that Burke kid.
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Well, the goals have just been on Sky. They were all pretty much carbon copies of a cross from the byline being tucked away. What it does prove is Aftab needs glasses as it was Stevens and not Ireland who crossed it for the first as he reported.
Aftab needs stronger glasses, then.
I think he is the H&V equivalent of Chris Kamara as our match reporter.
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OMG I almost forgot.
I saw Wolfie tonight - he was in M5.
Didn't know he was in an American punk band as well as being a celebrity Villa fan.
Never heard of them!
They were actually called MC5, don't worry, it was a shit joke.
The MC5 guitarist, Fred 'Sonic' Smith (who was married to Patti Smith) died of a heart attack in 1994, the year that we last played Tranmere.
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Just got back thought that was very comfortable, that Tranmere fan on Talkshyte did come across as very bitter and I was glad to hear the Villa fan put things into perspective. That Villa side was very young and relatively inexperienced.
sat in the North stand upper and the view made looking at each Villa player's strenghths and weaknesses easier.I like Lichaj but a possible clue why Lambert prefers Lowton is his forward play, the final ball seeming a bit wayward,however he's very reliable and a great defender.
I wouldn't play Bannan and Ireland in the same side, I thought Ireland was excellent,you can see why he was voted fan's player of the season.
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Spooky (about the MC5 guitarist).
PL must have seen something in Burke to have him on the bench and give him his debut. Did well.
I think tonight showed that, numbers wise, we may not be that badly off as a squad, as long as we don't have really bad luck with injuries and don't have to throw in about five academy graduates at once. Would like to see a couple or three first choices brought in by Friday though.
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Well, the goals have just been on Sky. They were all pretty much carbon copies of a cross from the byline being tucked away. What it does prove is Aftab needs glasses as it was Stevens and not Ireland who crossed it for the first as he reported.
Aftab needs stronger glasses, then.
I think he is the H&V equivalent of Chris Kamara as our match reporter.
Ahhhha I can clear that up. I was about to post about Ireland's offside goal when we scored. So when Sqm commented om my mixed up post enquiring if it was Ireland or Enda I was of course referring to the incident before the goal. However I do need some better glasses as well!
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Another thing about the attendance - I thought they were closing the Upper Trinity? looked like a lot of people had relocated to one block to the left of the directors'/posh seats but there were still some people in the Upper
I was surprised to see people up there, too.
When I turned up and queued outside the ticket office they said it was cash payment at the turnstiles for Trinity upper so that's where I ended up.
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A quote from a fan on the BBC's live match text for the League cup games, well said Mike:
:)Mike in London, via text: "At the risk of been a troll, it appears you got most of your predictions wrong!! Maybe next time you will think twice before trying to write off a great club with a proud history like Aston Villa after two league losses!!!"
I'm crying Mike. Crying! You see what you've done? No.... just leave it, I need to be on my own right now. :)
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A solid performance from a reasonably inexperienced side. Baker, on the whole looks assured at CB. Lowton did well alongside him too I thought.
Bannan playing the quarter back role frustrates me. He's clearly being instructed to to drop back alongside the central defenders to receive the ball and then our width comes from our full backs who push on as our central defenders spread out. We're going to need a left back who distributes the ball well. I'm not confident in Lihaj doing that or Enda Stevens from the left and it remains to be seen if Lowton will from the right.
I agree with earlier comments about Ireland, I thought the best spells of the game we had came via his runs and intelligent passes. He needs to play against Noocassul at the weekend in my eyes.
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I liked the look of that Burke kid.
Genuinely thought his shot just after coming on was going in, struck it so well and was good to see he had the confidence to do that on his debut.
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Paul Lambert admitted he was really pleased to get past the "tricky" Tranmere test.
Lambert said he knew from experience the possibility of cup shocks and was on guard to avoid one with his new Villa side.
The Villa boss insisted his team deserved maximum credit for the way they powered past the Super Whites via goals from Fabian Delph, Chris Herd and Darren Bent.
He said: "It was very good. I know from experience it can be tricky - these type of games - and it was really pleasing.
"It's never easy to win a football match, whatever level and whoever you're up against.
"Tranmere gave a really good account of themselves. Ron has got them going really fine in their own league.
"As I said before, I know from experience there's not an easy game. I am just delighted with the team for winning.
"Any game you win, it makes you feel good. The lads deserve a lot of credit for the way they bounced back from the Everton loss."
Bent bagged his first goal of the campaign, with an expertly-taken second-half effort.
And Lambert was thrilled with the quality shown to make the chance and finish it.
He continued: "I thought the third goal was excellent, a really good move. The finish was top-class."
Lambert now hopes Villa can take the momentum gained into the Newcastle match on Sunday.
He added: "We will give it everything we've got, we have a really hard game on Sunday, we will go and try to win.
"Hopefully some of the injured lads will be back so we will see what happens."
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Just saw the goals. Bent's finish was phenomenal.
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Thank fook for that
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For the first time in ages i think i'll watch a footy highlights show :)
Its on tommorow night.......BBC1
What time, i can see it on my guide
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Thursday after 11.
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Just a quick mention for Graham Burke, I thought he did well in his 15 minute cameo and looked very comfortable when recieving the ball in tight spaces.
Yes, looked very composed on the ball. Good to see him having a go at goal so quicky after coming on.
Looks a good prospect for the future.
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Considering there were 2 disallowed goals as well, it seems the lads were knocking 'em in with gay abandon.
Glad to hear that the Villa have found their scoring boots this season. Hope they can transfer this confidence to the next game at the weekend.
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Not long been back, the crowd was disappointing but I was expecting it. To be honest I think the ticket prices were too high should have been £10.
With regards to the game I thought Ireland was our best player we really need to get him playing week in week out he is the only one with an eye for a pass, and knows what service to provide to Bent. I thought Bannan was better than Saturday but I really wish he would cut out these 50 yard passes, every now and again one comes off but most times he just gives away possession, he just needs to keep it simple.
I have been really impressed with Baker he has the makings of a very good centre half and I liked the look of Burke, he looked really confident on the ball I really thought that shot he had when he came on was going in. We really needed this result hopefully they can build on this and kick start our season.
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I wonder if part of the reason the crowd was so low is down to the competition starting so early now that it feels more like a pre-season game. When for whatever reason we started it during September we got respectable crowds of over 20k but the last two season have seen gates much lower.
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Probably doesn't help that as it's so early in the season a lot of folks may be away as it's still the school holidays.
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A minor fussy point but I would have liked to have seen Johnson get a run out.
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Just seen the goals on SSN...the first 2 were a bit scrappy but Bent finished the 3rd like he meant it which was good to see.
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I wonder if part of the reason the crowd was so low is down to the competition starting so early now that it feels more like a pre-season game. When for whatever reason we started it during September we got respectable crowds of over 20k but the last two season have seen gates much lower.
I think we used to start in September due to being in Europe or being one of the designated top Premier League teams who get a bye to the third round.
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Great win to get at this time.
One thing though, attendance 15,319...when was there last an attendance that low for a first class game at Villa Park?...
Wednesday 21st September, 1994: Wigan Athletic, Coca Cola Cup Round 2, 1st Leg, 5-0, 12,433.
...and tonight's game was played 2.5 years to the day since we played Man United in the same competition at Wembley in front of 88,596.
Sexy stats...I don't suppose you have a list of our lowest 5-10 attendance since, I dunno, football was (re)invented?
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I thought Enda Stevens gave a pretty good account of himself on his debut, looked to have taken a knock when he came off, but would be surprised if he doesn't feature a bit this season. Lowton looked pretty decent too.
It looked like Ireland was desperate to make an impression on Lambert. Lots of effort to go with his talent. My mate who was with me, a QPR fan, was really impressed. The best player on the pitch by a distance.
Bannan didn't have a great game I didn't think. Iwas struck by Holmans directness in terms of his off the ball movement.
Overall a decent performance played in a less than pre season like atmosphere.
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Great win to get at this time.
One thing though, attendance 15,319...when was there last an attendance that low for a first class game at Villa Park?...
Wednesday 21st September, 1994: Wigan Athletic, Coca Cola Cup Round 2, 1st Leg, 5-0, 12,433.
...and tonight's game was played 2.5 years to the day since we played Man United in the same competition at Wembley in front of 88,596.
Sexy stats...I don't suppose you have a list of our lowest 5-10 attendance since, I dunno, football was (re)invented?
You can look at all matches here, includes attendances http://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/matches
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Another thing about the attendance - I thought they were closing the Upper Trinity? looked like a lot of people had relocated to one block to the left of the directors'/posh seats but there were still some people in the Upper
Another thing about the attendance - I thought they were closing the Upper Trinity? looked like a lot of people had relocated to one block to the left of the directors'/posh seats but there were still some people in the Upper
I was surprised to see people up there, too.
When I turned up and queued outside the ticket office they said it was cash payment at the turnstiles for Trinity upper so that's where I ended up.
I was surprised to see people up there, too.
When I turned up and queued outside the ticket office they said it was cash payment at the turnstiles for Trinity upper so that's where I ended up.
Me too. Fully intended to go in the Holte but there was a 15 minute queue at the ticket office before the game and a steward said you can pay cash at the Trinity turnstile, so we did.
Ireland very good but I was very impressed with Bannan. He cut out the hollywood stuff, was constantly showing for the ball and made 2 last ditch tackles in his own box to prevent goals. Great attitude, lots of good link up play, well done Barry.
Tranmere looked good given their status and let's not pretend they weren't our equals until half-time, passed it around nicely but couldn't get a shot off.
The chap who said CNZ runs out of pitch is spot on. Absolutely brainless footballer.
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I wonder if part of the reason the crowd was so low is down to the competition starting so early now that it feels more like a pre-season game. When for whatever reason we started it during September we got respectable crowds of over 20k but the last two season have seen gates much lower.
It is also to with how everyone involved with football treats cup games now days. That includes the Football authorities, TV Companies, Clubs and fans. Many many years ago a cup game was a priority to me and I am sure lot of supporters. Cup games were special as after all these were one off's. There were plenty of League games you could go and watch. Plus there was a trophy at the end. No one cares about the trophy now. It appears that a League position whether it's 4th from top or 4th from bottom is much more important.
I noticed that both Blackburn and Bolton got knocked out as did Fulham and disgracefully, I bet you, they probably fielded weak teams.
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I thought Enda Stevens gave a pretty good account of himself on his debut, looked to have taken a knock when he came off, but would be surprised if he doesn't feature a bit this season.
I wasn't impressed with Stevens. Upon receiving the majority of passes, his first move was to head back towards the Villa goal.
Also, in true Maradonna style, his right foot appears to be purely for standing on.
Ireland looked good. However, the last time that I was this impressed by him was against Hereford last season. Therefore, I think that its just poor opposition that brings out the best in him.
I was very impressed with Burke's cameo appearance. He appears to have the skills and energy to be a good bridge between midfield and the striker.
In "Manny-Being-Manny" fashion, its now "Zog-being-Zog". He's playing one game and the other 21 players are playing another. If Forrest Gump played football...........................
As for Tranmere, I liked the look of Liam "Son of Carlton" Palmer.
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Got in late so posting now, quite relieved we won as had overturned my self imposed ban on league cup games (since Leicester at home!). I know it was just Tranmere but thought it was really positive. First half we controlled but with little cutting edge. After the goal we looked likely to get more. I thought the back 4 were tidy with Baker outstanding, both full backs need either a bit more pace or a bit more confidence to take their opposite numbers on. Have read some overly negative stuff about Stevens, thought he looked like a player trying to have a solid if unspectacular debut(?). Thought Bannan and Delph were good and Ireland was ok , Herd was Herd. Apart from the goal Bent didn't offer much but I guess that's Bent. Of the subs, Holman looked good but I was really impressed with Burke, who wanted the ball all the time, was quite direct and didn't waste it when he received it. N'Zog looks like he needs a confidence boost but in fairness to him he didn't hide and some of the abuse he was getting from near me from the minute he walked on the pitch was tiresome. Last point really is about Guzan, didn't have a lot to do but appears very confident and very ready to step up.
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A nice result, and a decent performance in what was a potential upset game.
I thought Baker was outstanding....very, very commanding and Lowton looks to be coming along nicely.
Zoggy was his usual self when he came on, but if was interesting that Bents goal was scored from one of the very few times the ball was taken to the by-line and cut back.
Ireland was tidy.
Bannan was half decent, and by that I mean he looked decent given the quality of opposition. Maybe that is his level.
I really didn't like his 'billy big bollox' attititude - and berating Stevens for a lose pass was bang out of order.
I didn't see anyone berating him when he made shit passes including one very poor back pass that could have led to a goal.
No, for me he ain't good enough and his attitude is questionable.
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When is the draw for the next round then?
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You need to try and get more words into your location Tom. ;)
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With Stoke and Fulham knocked out it reduces the number of teams that should actually take this seriously. Take away the top 6 or 7 chasing Chimps League and the 7 or 8 battling relegation (being optimistic that we aren't one of them) we should be making a proper effort to win it.
I was a bit concerned that we left out Vlaar and El Hamidi last night, but that performance was more comfortable than most home League Cup games we have had at home in the past 5 years!
To echo other post Burke looked half decent.
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If i have to watch the ball being passed sideways to Barry Messi all the time then i think i might fall asleep through a fair few games. Tedious is not the word for it.
Guzan - Think at one point he had his Kindle out he had so little to do
Lichaj - I really like him but whether his own decision or Managers he did not get to byline enough for me or attacked in general - but i think best RB at club so that is where he should play
Baker - Superb - i am sorry Mr Clark but that place with Ron should now be his - very commanding
Lowton - actually looks better at CB than at RB
Stevens - Bit nervous i thought but have to remember its a huge step up from Irish league football - some good touches and got furthest forward of both backs - set up the 1st goal with an excellent byline cross
Delph - just dont see what all the hype has been over the time we have had him - championship player at the very best - maybe try at LB but yet again in a nothing game a really wild tackle when it wasnt neded means you just could not trust him
Bannan - I might be on my own but this kid is a tenth of the player HE thinks he is - he stolls around the pitch picking up every ball / free kick / corner taking every pass in our own half and then - does nothing with any of them. One decent free kick was all i saw of him other than that i dont think he will ever be a prem player
Herd - really like him but on the right wing??????? He is a centre Mid player if anything - got forward well and took his goal decently
Ireland - some of his range of passing is superb and he is the key to unlocking defences - we just have to get the right combination around him to help him do his thing
Weinmann - Really rate this kid , his runs are intelligent and he works really hard for the team
Bent - If we paid him for his game time contribution we would save a fortune - what he does do well he did brilliantly last night and that was score - other than that he was the usual passenger for 89.5 minutes
Subs Contributions:
Nzog - Football talent / football brain - why is it Charlie can only take one onto the pitch at anyone time? I have never known a player make so many wrong decisions - he is the ultimate You Tube clips player - flashes of total brilliance surrounded by absolute dross. Not sure if he will ever be the player we thought we were getting
Holman - I do like the look of him - gets the ball and goes forward all the time - always trying to make something happen - not sure where his best position is though to be honest
Burke - very promising and certainly not overawed for his debut
Manager - IT easy to see why he is considered MONLite - he dresses, prowls the technical area, drinks and swears just like him. One thing though the amount of times he was getting frustrated with our play, especially the full backs not getting forward and Barry Messi fannying about with it was good to see that he will improve that
What happened to Carruthers - i would have thought he would have got on the bench last night?
Overall we never looked in danger and our fitness paid off. I think if he picks the right balance on Sunday we could give the barcodes a game
Guzan
Lichaj
Baker
Vlaar
Delph / Stevens
Herd
KEH
Ireland
Holman
Weinmann
Bent
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Any highlights knocking about?
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The goals.
http://youtu.be/blbGsjvxN3g
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It was great to see Herd run 40 yards to make sure he was in the box to pick up the chance that got him his goal. Not seen that from a midfielder at Villa Park for a while.
Carruthers was injured I think.
And Hookey, agree totally on Bannan. Not sure who he thinks he is, but I'd bet that was probably one of the first times he has actually been on the winning team when starting.
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And Hookey, agree totally on Bannan. Not sure who he thinks he is, but I'd bet that was probably one of the first times he has actually been on the winning team when starting.
You could say that about every single one of our players based on last season. They used to say the same about Gareth Bale as well.
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It was the way he was berating a player making his debut for mis-placed passes when he almost gave a goal away and mis-placed far more. He's hardly a seasoned, successful pro at the club and should concentrate on getting his own game right before spouting off at others.
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i like Bannan, like the way he controls the ball and his vision, i can also understand those who dont rate him for the reasons quoted, but i do rate him and think he could become be a very good player for us.
i also think he lost his way last year with the 'car incident' and also agree with others that maybe he got above himself,
Hopefully Lambert is the man to sort him out and get the best from him, he could go either way for me, but at the moment i would be one to keep the faith with him
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Entertaining game, thought we pinged it around quite nicely. Good to see a win at last! Opposition were quite limited but you can only beat what is put in front of you. Was impressed with Lichaj, looked very composed, seems to be developing nicely. Also thought he did OK when he came on on Saturday. Decent cameo from Burke at the end.
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Bent's finish was superb, you see the net ripple before the keeper even reacts, really clean strike.
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Bents finish was awesome. He really meant it. He needed that goal.
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It was the way he was berating a player making his debut for mis-placed passes when he almost gave a goal away and mis-placed far more. He's hardly a seasoned, successful pro at the club and should concentrate on getting his own game right before spouting off at others.
He had a go at the left back I think...may be that's the incident you are talking about? If so he was right to do so because it was simple stuff that he got wrong and as a PL players that should never happen.
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Yes I agree Bent finish was fantastic. Almost Drogba class. When the ball was squared to him, almost 90 degrees I thought he will need a touch but the next action was net bulging ...brilliant.
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It was the way he was berating a player making his debut for mis-placed passes when he almost gave a goal away and mis-placed far more. He's hardly a seasoned, successful pro at the club and should concentrate on getting his own game right before spouting off at others.
He had a go at the left back I think...may be that's the incident you are talking about? If so he was right to do so because it was simple stuff that he got wrong and as a PL players that should never happen.
Like Bannan's blind pass to their striker or his 50 yard pass on Saturday that got cut out easily... as I said, it's not as if he is a pro with years of experience and isn't making stupid basic errors himself. Pity Stevens didn't have a go at Bannan when he almost cost us a goal.
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It was the way he was berating a player making his debut for mis-placed passes when he almost gave a goal away and mis-placed far more. He's hardly a seasoned, successful pro at the club and should concentrate on getting his own game right before spouting off at others.
He had a go at the left back I think...may be that's the incident you are talking about? If so he was right to do so because it was simple stuff that he got wrong and as a PL players that should never happen.
I'm sorry mate, I usually agree with your posts, but that is bollox.
There is no way Bannan should have had a go at a debutant like that.
I don't recall others around him giving Bannan a bollocking when his shitty backpass was intercepted and nearly led to a shooting opportunity.
Bannan is 'billy big time' without the justification for being so.
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It was the way he was berating a player making his debut for mis-placed passes when he almost gave a goal away and mis-placed far more. He's hardly a seasoned, successful pro at the club and should concentrate on getting his own game right before spouting off at others.
He had a go at the left back I think...may be that's the incident you are talking about? If so he was right to do so because it was simple stuff that he got wrong and as a PL players that should never happen.
I'm sorry mate, I usually agree with your posts, but that is bollox.
There is no way Bannan should have had a go at a debutant like that.
I don't recall others around him giving Bannan a bollocking when his shitty backpass was intercepted and nearly led to a shooting opportunity.
Bannan is 'billy big time' without the justification for being so.
Agree totally - he is a tenth of the player he actually thinks he is and if our formation is to be based on him picking everything up off the CB's then sideways sideways sideways give it away then God help us
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Bannan under no pressure,like most footballers,is very good.Pressure him and he can't cope.He hasn't the pace to get away from a player and is very reluctant to move forward and support a colleague or receive the ball with an opponent close by.Too often,he needs a second touch unlike Ireland who can spot a pass and play it first time.Bannan is more of a luxury than even N'Zogbia who can bring different qualities to a team.A deep lying midfielder who can't tackle.
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As they say, a win is a win. Agree with a lot of what has been put on here. Bannan looked good, but what did he achieve? He was playing either 10 yards in front of the centre halfs or, at times, actually alongside them. Then to play a 10 yard square ball and not move for the return or attempt to cross the half way line with it did not impress me. I was disappointed in Lichaj not getting forward and taking on his opposite number. When he played last year I thought he looked good at wanting to be an attacking full back but last night he kept turning the ball back inside or backwards. The other player I was disappointed with was Herd. He looked out of his depth as the right hand player of the diamond. Unable to fashion any movement of the ball and not seeing the movement of other players around him, but just (seems familiar) playing it square or backward. I thought Ireland had a good game but had to drop too deep on occasions due to the ineffectiveness of Herd, Bannan and Delph in getting the ball forward to him quickly enough. He really needs to maintain a position just behind the front two so he can play them in. IMO Baker was MOM, he really showed some good defensive play and I think should be there alongside Vlaar for the future.
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Apart from what's been said about Bannan, he has ability but his execution is very inconsistent and above all else, his slight frame an build is always going to be a problem against stronger more powerful guys