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Title: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2012, 02:51:56 PM
And so the season begins.

A precursor to what we can expect this season. A fair few goals, at both ends.

2-2 Bent, Holman
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dr Butler on August 13, 2012, 03:18:03 PM
I have already been told that there is no point in me going to the game as they are going to smash us....

I am surrounded by 'appy 'ammers season ticket holders in my village, so a rather grubby hotly disputed 1 nil win(Collins OG) will suffice or a 4 nil tonking(Bent 3, Vlaar)......
just so I can smile when I hear them moaning and bleating down the Plough after the game....

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chipsticks on August 13, 2012, 03:34:03 PM
1-1

Darren Bent to get us an early lead, only for Kevin Nolan to equalise late on.       
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: richard moore on August 13, 2012, 03:40:46 PM
2-1 to them, ever the pessimist, some things never change eh even with a new manager!!!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 13, 2012, 03:52:57 PM
I hate playing newly-promoted clubs in their first home game. Portsmouth, Stoke, fucking Newcastle.

I'll happily take a draw.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 13, 2012, 03:53:21 PM
0-0.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: citizenDJ on August 13, 2012, 03:56:50 PM
I think we'll lose this. As said above, it's a bit of an arse having to play a newly-promoted club, especially at their place. So, I reckon 2-1 to them, and lots of headlines about how West Ham are 'back where they belong' etc etc.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 13, 2012, 03:57:11 PM
1-1.

Darren Bent (pen).
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Steve R on August 13, 2012, 03:57:19 PM
I'll go for a draw, with 2-2 more likely than 0-0.

I hate us playing newly promoted teams. I'd much rather have this fixture around December/January when they have taken a few thumpings.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Witton Warrior on August 13, 2012, 03:58:55 PM
I'll go for a draw, with 2-2 more likely than 0-0.

I hate us playing newly promoted teams. I'd much rather have this fixture around December/January when they have taken a few thumpings.

I'm with you on all points here SteveR
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2012, 04:01:14 PM
I have a feeling this will be a pretty high scoring game, not sure on the result though. I'd be more comfortable if we have a new left back by the time it kicks off.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2012, 04:05:39 PM
win. We'll pass them off the park and grab a couple of goals from the skipper to start the season off right. West Ham will be fired up but I think with our planning and new found confidence will be the deciding factor. Lambert and his staff will have done their homework as opposed to going in their hoping for the best as TSM would have.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2012, 04:07:26 PM
2-0 Villa.

Bent and Vlaar.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: luke25 on August 13, 2012, 04:25:46 PM
0-0 McCleish out!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on August 13, 2012, 04:29:22 PM
2-1 Villa Bent (2).
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 13, 2012, 04:31:37 PM
I think it'll be a draw, 2-2, but we'll play by far the better football and all the West Ham fans will clog up the phone-ins complaining about Big Sam's anti-football (they will change this season from happy Hammers to sappy Sammers).
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 13, 2012, 04:32:11 PM
Going to be goals in this. I reckon two apiece.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: luke25 on August 13, 2012, 04:37:16 PM
El-Amadi, Bannan, Ireland and Holman playing the diamond with Bent and Wiemann upfront means movement, movement, movement. As long as we don't get suckered into playing their 'game'.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 13, 2012, 04:43:46 PM
3-1 Villa

Glowing in the dark.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 13, 2012, 04:45:25 PM
El-Amadi, Bannan, Ireland and Holman playing the diamond with Bent and Wiemann upfront means movement, movement, movement. As long as we don't get suckered into playing their 'game'.

I agree. People overrate strength in midfield. This isn't weightlifting: who cares how strong you are if the other team can kick the ball better than you? That's where our advantage lies for this.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on August 13, 2012, 05:10:17 PM
We looked very disjointed on Saturday, good in parts but awful in others. The defence looked disorganised and susceptible to crosses, not what you want against an Allardyce team.

I think it's going to take a few weeks perhaps months for this side to gel and so expect us to lose this one.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 13, 2012, 05:11:02 PM
If we are to qualify for the Champion's League (it's our turn) we need to win games like this.  I reckon 3-2 to us.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on August 13, 2012, 05:22:45 PM
2-2 - Bent and Vlaar on target for Villa
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on August 13, 2012, 05:25:16 PM
2-2
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaAlways on August 13, 2012, 05:26:44 PM
We'll either pass them off the park ala Swansea and win 2-0 or be completely Allardyced and lose 2-0. Hoping for the former obviously
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VillaAlways on August 13, 2012, 05:42:28 PM
Mike Dean is the ref
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 13, 2012, 05:47:51 PM
2-0 Villa, Holman, Bent
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on August 13, 2012, 05:50:16 PM
1-1 - Bent
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chipsticks on August 13, 2012, 06:03:37 PM
The real question is, who's going to play out wide? I'm hoping for Zog and Bannan.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2012, 06:10:10 PM
1-1. Holman.

As Chris said earlier, we'll need time for Lambert to find his first XI and let the team settle.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 13, 2012, 06:15:06 PM
The real question is, who's going to play out wide? I'm hoping for Zog and Bannan.

Still see Bannan as a more central player.  Maybe if we continue with the wide players tucking in and fullbacks going beyond them. 

The team I'd go with:

                                Given

       Lowton      Clark         Vlaar            Lichaj (or a new LB if we have one)

                 El Ahmadi     Gardner

           Zog             Ireland           Holman
 
                               Bent

   
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on August 13, 2012, 06:19:27 PM
The real question is, who's going to play out wide? I'm hoping for Zog and Bannan.

Still see Bannan as a more central player.  Maybe if we continue with the wide players tucking in and fullbacks going beyond them. 

The team I'd go with:

                                Given

       Lowton      Clark         Vlaar            Lichaj (or a new LB if we have one)

                 El Ahmadi     Gardner

           Zog             Ireland           Holman
 
                               Bent

   

Swap gardner for bannan and id agree !
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 13, 2012, 06:26:44 PM
The real question is, who's going to play out wide? I'm hoping for Zog and Bannan.

Still see Bannan as a more central player.  Maybe if we continue with the wide players tucking in and fullbacks going beyond them. 

The team I'd go with:

                                Given

       Lowton      Clark         Vlaar            Lichaj (or a new LB if we have one)

                 El Ahmadi     Gardner

           Zog             Ireland           Holman
 
                               Bent

   

Swap gardner for bannan and id agree !

I agree with that, but I still think we'll play the narrow diamond with no wingers and Weimann behind Bent up front.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cjm on August 13, 2012, 06:30:46 PM
Yep, pessimism sinks in for this one I think, the old curse of playing a newly promoted club, as mentioned. Them with a sell-out crowd, 'Ammers Are Back, media love-in in the build up and the fact that it appears we still can't really defend I can't see us winning it.
Fancy us to take the lead but can see them getting a late equaliser or winner.
Of course, I hope I'm wrong and we coolly pass the ball around them all game and patiently pick them apart for a comfortable win. But I can't see us getting a clean sheet or create enough to win without one.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on August 13, 2012, 06:37:37 PM
Think Allardyce's brand of hoofball - now supplemented with James Collins' cannonball boots - will test our new/relatively makeshift defence.  Given looked shaky at the Euros too, so can't see us keeping a clean sheet.  Hopefully CNZ and Ireland will turn up and Bent can start the season on a high. 2-2
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chipsticks on August 13, 2012, 06:39:45 PM
The real question is, who's going to play out wide? I'm hoping for Zog and Bannan.

Still see Bannan as a more central player.  Maybe if we continue with the wide players tucking in and fullbacks going beyond them. 
   

So do I, but in the absence of Super Marc I'm struggling to figure out who's going to be opposite Zog.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 13, 2012, 06:46:47 PM
The real question is, who's going to play out wide? I'm hoping for Zog and Bannan.

Still see Bannan as a more central player.  Maybe if we continue with the wide players tucking in and fullbacks going beyond them. 
   

So do I, but in the absence of Super Marc I'm struggling to figure out who's going to be opposite Zog.

I'd say it'll be Holman if we do play wingers, but I'm unconvinced that we will.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
The real question is, who's going to play out wide? I'm hoping for Zog and Bannan.

Still see Bannan as a more central player.  Maybe if we continue with the wide players tucking in and fullbacks going beyond them. 
   

So do I, but in the absence of Super Marc I'm struggling to figure out who's going to be opposite Zog.

I'm struggling to understand how N'Zogbia can claim a first team place based on his Villa appearances over the last 12 months.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 13, 2012, 07:00:07 PM
3-1 villa, bright start early on with Nzog getting a belter, Collins header to equalise followed by a long drawn out second half. Holman to make it 1-2 in 80th minute before bent finishes the match off.

Simples...
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on August 13, 2012, 07:37:52 PM
2-0 Villa, Bent (2)
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 13, 2012, 07:49:56 PM
I think we will come first in this and pick up another Gold.

Oops sorry, I think we will win 2-0 (Bent, Holman) and pick up 3 points.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 13, 2012, 07:55:56 PM
I think we will come first in this and pick up another Gold.

Oops sorry, I think we will win 2-0 (Bent, Holman) and pick up 3 points.

Well, I'd be disappointed if we got bronze.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: bertlambshank on August 13, 2012, 07:59:16 PM
8-0 Villa Bent with 7 and a goal from Given.Collins sent off after 37 seconds for kicking the ball to the Moon.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: gervilla on August 13, 2012, 08:14:19 PM
The Academy Of Football 2 Aston Villa F.C. 3 (Bent 2 Vlaar )
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pedro25 on August 13, 2012, 08:25:20 PM
I'd play a narrow 4 of Bannan, El Ahmadi, Ireland and Holman in midfield with N'Zogbia just off Bent.  One - one, N'Zogbia.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: OCD on August 13, 2012, 08:27:19 PM
Whatever happens we shouldn't feel the need to hang ourselves after games this season. It will be nice to just to see us trying to win, playing some football and average more than a goal a game over the course of the season.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 13, 2012, 08:40:19 PM
So much pessimism when playing a team who spent their way to scraping through the play-offs. Where's your confidence?!?!?!?

A draw.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JJ-AV on August 13, 2012, 09:23:04 PM
Narrow defeat. A few new players, we're very shaky at the back. It'll take time.

I reckon the team will be:

Given
Lowton - Vlaar - Clark - Lichaj
El Ahmadi - Bannan
Ireland - Holman
Bent - N'Zogbia
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Left Side on August 13, 2012, 09:24:36 PM
1-1 with Bent scoring
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 13, 2012, 09:27:57 PM
I'll be a sad panda if Bannan doesn't start.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Karlos96 on August 13, 2012, 09:50:20 PM
I think we'll lose 2-1 - Away to a newly promoted team on the opening day never a good thing.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 13, 2012, 10:06:59 PM
1-1 Clark ......
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: luke25 on August 13, 2012, 10:14:52 PM
Fuck sake I've just remember that ****** Nolan plays for them, he always scores against us.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 13, 2012, 10:21:37 PM
2-1 Villa
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: peter w on August 13, 2012, 10:30:29 PM
A win would be a big start for us. Our defence is a little rocky and that's our worry. we will concede. but, in saying that I also think we'll score. but if west ham get their noses in front in the second-half i think their new season optimism will see them through. 3-1 or 3-2.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on August 13, 2012, 11:09:28 PM
Narrow defeat. A few new players, we're very shaky at the back. It'll take time.

I reckon the team will be:

Given
Lowton - Vlaar - Clark - Lichaj
El Ahmadi - Bannan
Ireland - Holman
Bent - N'Zogbia

Absent any new signings I agree, with the possible replacement of bannan with delph to add a bit more steel.

I'm backing lambert and like everything he's tried to do thus far. But I think this'll be a tricky tie. A fat Sam side is tailor made to exploit our weaknesses. In particular I think Clark looked horrible in the air at the weekend. And our defensive midfield really wasn't giving much protection from midfield runners. I can see Nolan causing us a fair few problems again.

I reckon there's a decent chance we'll lose this 2 or even 3 -1. Hopefully however we'll be a lot more disciplined; work hard to track their players; show fight in the air; and play some of the excellent pre season passing football we've seen in spurts
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VancouverLion on August 14, 2012, 02:23:05 AM
3-2 Villa, Bent 2, Ireland
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 14, 2012, 03:04:48 AM
1-0 to the Hammers, Nolan with a header from a corner.

Cant see how we are going to create that many chances. West Ham's kick and rush will cause problems for us defensively and can see us getting bullied by the likes of Diarra and Nolan in midfield.

What we wouldnt give for an Ian Taylor in the middle. Or even an Andy Townsend. We didnt lose many physical battles with those 2 in there.

Looking forward to the game but without further signings I worry for us this season.

Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: luke25 on August 14, 2012, 03:12:45 AM
My hammers supporting work mate is shitting himself over N'zogbia, apparantly in the last game he played against them he pretty much condemed them to relegation.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: robbo1874 on August 14, 2012, 08:12:17 AM
I think we'll win 2-1. Not sure why, I just do.

You can't really read much into the first few matches though.

West Ham have made a few signings this summer and it could take them a while to gel. I think they'll be safe this season though - they seem to have a bit of money to spend and may strengthen further in Jan if necessary.

it's a nice buzz coming away from Upton Park with a win. Hope everybody going on Saturday has a top day. I'll be watching on telly hopefully if its on.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: levico on August 14, 2012, 09:02:44 AM
I'm convinced we'll score in this match but I think our defensive weaknesses will see us go down 2-1.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 14, 2012, 09:07:37 AM
Given
Lowton Vlaar Clark Lichaj
El Ahmadi
Bannan Ireland
Holman
Bent NZogbia

Ireland and Bannan will really need to put a shift in if we are going to play narrow, unless Herd/Delph come in for one of them.

I can see him playing NZogbia as a striker.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pedro25 on August 14, 2012, 09:16:09 AM
Same 11 as above, but i think the midfield will be more like

      El Ahmadi
Holman Bannan
       Ireland

Or will it be a 2 and a 2?

El Ahmadi Bannan
 Holman Ireland

I just wonder if he may go a bit left field at full back and play Stephens or Delph there or even Baker.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 14, 2012, 09:21:22 AM
Is Agent Collins out for this game ?

I see that he's pulled out of the Wales v B-H match

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19250863
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chipsticks on August 14, 2012, 09:22:36 AM
Same 11 as above, but i think the midfield will be more like

      El Ahmadi
Holman Bannan
       Ireland

Or will it be a 2 and a 2?

El Ahmadi Bannan
 Holman Ireland

I just wonder if he may go a bit left field at full back and play Stephens or Delph there or even Baker.

What about Zog?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Le Lapin on August 14, 2012, 09:26:53 AM
I think that we will play well, but Fat Sams negative tactics will get them the home win. The new lads are going to take time to bed in and get used to each other. After a nervy start to the season we will find our feet and go on to do well.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on August 14, 2012, 09:27:36 AM
2-2. As others have said this project is going to take time to settle down. I think a lot of patience will be needed from us.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 14, 2012, 09:28:16 AM
Same 11 as above, but i think the midfield will be more like

      El Ahmadi
Holman Bannan
       Ireland

Or will it be a 2 and a 2?

El Ahmadi Bannan
 Holman Ireland

I just wonder if he may go a bit left field at full back and play Stephens or Delph there or even Baker.

Delph did OK for a couple of games under Houllier at left back, but he's very reckless in the tackle. I think the less defensive responsibility he has, the better. Unfortunatly there are better attacking midfielders than him (Ireland, Bannan, Holman).
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: supertom on August 14, 2012, 09:31:38 AM
I'd take a draw to be honest. I think as is, we'll struggle away from home but be quite good at home. Benty nets most of his goals at Villa Park too. We're very light too because of injuries. We'll miss Gabby a lot. We might even miss Dunney. His experience might actually be valuable at this stage of the season as Vlaar beds in. Hopefully Clark ups his game, because he wasn't all that convincing pre-season.

We definitely need 2-3 more decent signings in this window. We're short on quantity and quality.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: fredm on August 14, 2012, 09:32:24 AM
We looked very disjointed on Saturday, good in parts but awful in others. The defence looked disorganised and susceptible to crosses, not what you want against an Allardyce team.

I think it's going to take a few weeks perhaps months for this side to gel and so expect us to lose this one.

This.  Hopefully we have spent all week at BH sorting out how to stop crosses coming in and if they do, how to deal with them.  Unfortunately I think we will get undone by one as Sam's team thrive on that type of football.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 14, 2012, 09:34:11 AM
Where's Herd?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 14, 2012, 09:34:31 AM
I'd take a draw to be honest. I think as is, we'll struggle away from home but be quite good at home. Benty nets most of his goals at Villa Park too. We're very light too because of injuries. We'll miss Gabby a lot. We might even miss Dunney. His experience might actually be valuable at this stage of the season as Vlaar beds in. Hopefully Clark ups his game, because he wasn't all that convincing pre-season.

We definitely need 2-3 more decent signings in this window. We're short on quantity and quality.

Really?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 14, 2012, 09:37:07 AM
Where's Herd?

Injured. Ruled out of the Aus v Scotland friendly tomorrow.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: oldtimernow on August 14, 2012, 09:39:46 AM
Delph did OK for a couple of games under Houllier at left back, but he's very reckless in the tackle. I think the less defensive responsibility he has, the better. Unfortunatly there are better attacking midfielders than him (Ireland, Bannan, Holman).
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I feel that if Delph had more 'defensive responsibility'as a left back not unnecessarily diving in  rather than the requirement to win the ball in midfield then we might have a real gem there
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2012, 09:56:06 AM
Think it'll be a tepid start and a draw while we find our feet. 1-1.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: villanic on August 14, 2012, 10:21:59 AM
2-1 to Villa. Bent and Holman with a goal each for us, Nolan for them.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rob92 on August 14, 2012, 10:22:37 AM
1-1. Ron Vlaar with a late equaliser.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on August 14, 2012, 10:25:47 AM
Narrow defeat. A few new players, we're very shaky at the back. It'll take time.

I reckon the team will be:

Given
Lowton - Vlaar - Clark - Lichaj
El Ahmadi - Bannan
Ireland - Holman
Bent - N'Zogbia

Absent any new signings I agree, with the possible replacement of bannan with delph to add a bit more steel.

Pretty sure it will be Delph that starts alongside KEA as he has played there pre-season and he's done well.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 14, 2012, 11:00:23 AM
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: supertom on August 14, 2012, 11:35:29 AM
I'd take a draw to be honest. I think as is, we'll struggle away from home but be quite good at home. Benty nets most of his goals at Villa Park too. We're very light too because of injuries. We'll miss Gabby a lot. We might even miss Dunney. His experience might actually be valuable at this stage of the season as Vlaar beds in. Hopefully Clark ups his game, because he wasn't all that convincing pre-season.

We definitely need 2-3 more decent signings in this window. We're short on quantity and quality.

Really?
Yep. I think we'll miss his experience and his pace. Generally with Gabby his seasons start and/or finish strongly with a poor middle. I feel like he'd have hit the ground running with Lambert. I'm also not convinced on his replacements. As poor as Gabby was the last two seasons (bar an excellent aug-nov last year), I still see him offering plenty.

We're really short on experience too.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 14, 2012, 11:44:58 AM
Does anyone know of any boozers around Solihull, b'ham that would show the match on Saturday?
I know rococco on broad st used to show a foreign stream of the villa!?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2012, 11:45:23 AM
Narrow defeat. A few new players, we're very shaky at the back. It'll take time.

I reckon the team will be:

Given
Lowton - Vlaar - Clark - Lichaj
El Ahmadi - Bannan
Ireland - Holman
Bent - N'Zogbia

Absent any new signings I agree, with the possible replacement of bannan with delph to add a bit more steel.

Pretty sure it will be Delph that starts alongside KEA as he has played there pre-season and he's done well.

Actually Bannan has played there far more than Delph and has even been captain on a couple of occasions. And played well.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 14, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
Does anyone know of any boozers around Solihull, b'ham that would show the match on Saturday?
I know rococco on broad st used to show a foreign stream of the villa!?
British Oak, Pershore Road, Stirchley.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on August 14, 2012, 11:50:02 AM
Narrow defeat. A few new players, we're very shaky at the back. It'll take time.

I reckon the team will be:

Given
Lowton - Vlaar - Clark - Lichaj
El Ahmadi - Bannan
Ireland - Holman
Bent - N'Zogbia

Absent any new signings I agree, with the possible replacement of bannan with delph to add a bit more steel.

Pretty sure it will be Delph that starts alongside KEA as he has played there pre-season and he's done well.

Actually Bannan has played there far more than Delph and has even been captain on a couple of occasions. And played well.

Delph has been made captain also, and he started there against Werder Bemen, which is why I think him the more likely choice.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2012, 11:52:26 AM
When was he captain?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on August 14, 2012, 11:54:45 AM
First game in the States I think.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on August 14, 2012, 11:55:18 AM
just rang up and got a ticket for this match, there are still a few returns left so they said

anyway i'm going for a Villa win, say 2-1 and i've also put a few quid on the win with betfair at just under 3/1 so i'm expecting a free day out all in all
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 14, 2012, 11:58:46 AM
Does anyone know of any boozers around Solihull, b'ham that would show the match on Saturday?
I know rococco on broad st used to show a foreign stream of the villa!?
British Oak, Pershore Road, Stirchley.
Thanks!!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2012, 12:01:45 PM
First game in the States I think.

Wasn't Chicago Fire the game? Have to say it would surprise me, I think Bannan and KEA as a partnership was one major highlight of pre-season.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on August 14, 2012, 12:04:16 PM
Wet Spam 0 Aston Villa 4

Bent, Holman, Vlaar, Ireland
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 14, 2012, 12:41:59 PM
When was he captain?
Bannan? He hasn't has he? Delph has wore the armband a couple of times pre-season.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2012, 12:43:56 PM
When was he captain?
Bannan? He hasn't has he? Delph has wore the armband a couple of times pre-season.

No, Bannan was definitely captain on two occasions, against the Timbers and Peterborough.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 14, 2012, 12:51:04 PM
When was he captain?
Bannan? He hasn't has he? Delph has wore the armband a couple of times pre-season.

No, Bannan was definitely captain on two occasions, against the Timbers and Peterborough.

Delph started the game as captain v Peterbro' & Chicage Fire.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Shrek on August 14, 2012, 12:51:37 PM
3-2 to Villa, no more bore draws.!!!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2012, 12:54:25 PM
When was he captain?
Bannan? He hasn't has he? Delph has wore the armband a couple of times pre-season.

No, Bannan was definitely captain on two occasions, against the Timbers and Peterborough.

Delph started the game as captain v Peterbro' & Chicage Fire.

Sorry yes that's right, Bannan was captain against Timbers and Forest.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2012, 12:58:33 PM
Both great moves I might add, they're players who have all the talent but need guidance and confidence boosts. And playing passing football, which is where both of them flourish.

To hell with it, I want to see both of them start, with KEA and one of Ireland or Holman, with Weimann behind Bent. That's assuming Lambert plays the diamond like in pre-season.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on August 14, 2012, 01:54:27 PM
I think this will be tough.

Quite a few West Ham think they only have to turn up to smash us but there you go.

I think back to their game against Blackpool, a side that keeps the ball and they battered West Ham. With more quality in our side, I think we'll be able to punish them.

It wouldn't suprise me if its a draw.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2012, 01:58:19 PM
What exactly have West Ham done since squeezing into the PL through the back door that suddenly makes them as good some think they are? They are going to be excited about being in the PL and the atmosphere will be tough, but at the end of the day we're not playing Man City away first game. They are still West Ham with West Ham level players, and with the great James Collins at the back. If we play our game and get the ball to Bent in the 6yd box we'll win. We have better players and a better manager.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2012, 02:03:07 PM
What exactly have West Ham done since squeezing into the PL through the back door that suddenly makes them as good some think they are? They are going to be excited about being in the PL and the atmosphere will be tough, but at the end of the day we're not playing Man City away first game. They are still West Ham with West Ham level players, and with the great James Collins at the back. If we play our game and get the ball to Bent in the 6yd box we'll win. We have better players and a better manager.

I think the reason is literally Clark at centre back and the way Andy Carroll destroyed us that day. I think people will be surprised at how well Clark will play at the back, and the effectiveness of keeping the ball away from a side who boof it, because more often than not (as anyone watching us for a few seasons will testify) the boof gives the ball away.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2012, 02:20:36 PM
West Ham are likely going to play Carlton Cole and Vaz Te up front. Vaz Te did next nothing in his career until he arrived at West Ham in the Championship. Carlton Cole has done nothing in his career. It will be a long season if those two cause us problems.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on August 14, 2012, 02:22:04 PM
Apparently they are going to play Diarra against us. 

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport/westham/westhamnews/9872391.Hammers_set_to_play_Diarra_against_Aston_Villa/
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on August 14, 2012, 02:22:36 PM
What exactly have West Ham done since squeezing into the PL through the back door that suddenly makes them as good some think they are? They are going to be excited about being in the PL and the atmosphere will be tough, but at the end of the day we're not playing Man City away first game. They are still West Ham with West Ham level players, and with the great James Collins at the back. If we play our game and get the ball to Bent in the 6yd box we'll win. We have better players and a better manager.

I think the reason is literally Clark at centre back and the way Andy Carroll destroyed us that day. I think people will be surprised at how well Clark will play at the back, and the effectiveness of keeping the ball away from a side who boof it, because more often than not (as anyone watching us for a few seasons will testify) the boof gives the ball away.

We were terrible at dealing with crosses into the box on Saturday and didn't appear to be able to keep the ball away from them either, particularly when they stepped it up in the second half so that sounds like a bit of wishful thinking to me.

Hopefully that will be sorted out as they develop an understanding but that's going to take time, particularly as Vlaar has the added consideration of adapting to the unique demands of this league.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2012, 02:29:09 PM
Apparently they are going to play Diarra against us. 

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport/westham/westhamnews/9872391.Hammers_set_to_play_Diarra_against_Aston_Villa/

So they're going with size against our skill in midfield. For once, I think a lot of neutrals will be hoping we win this.

Chris, I'd say that we didn't do that particularly well against Werder, but that was something of an anomaly in pre- season (Forest hit us on the break - we dominated the ball). You could say that Werder were by far our biggest test, but then they're better and more tactically astute than West Ham are likely to be. The Werder game isn't a big enough sample from which to draw specific conclusions, I believe.

I agree that it'll take time for them to gel consistently, but I also think it's fair to say that they can defend well and keep the ball for stretches in games anyway, if not consistently. We displayed real attacking potency against Werder as well, which last season many were saying they'd prefer to defensive solidity in the short term. We can score one more than West Ham.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 14, 2012, 02:30:41 PM
3-1 Villa
Darren Bent hatrick
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on August 14, 2012, 03:37:38 PM
Monty, it wasn't tactical astuteness that was our undoing on Saturday but a basic inability to defend crosses and in the second half to keep the ball.  It sounds like I'm being unduly pessimistic but I'm not, I think we just have to accept that there is still a lot of work to be done and all the nice football in the world isn't going to help if you're vulnerable every time a high ball is launched into the box as it makes the players more cautious and risk averse.

I hope I'm wrong and that  they've sorted out their issues by Saturday but experience tells me it's going to take a little longer.

 
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2012, 03:42:26 PM
I agree it'll take time to get that completely sorted, but our inability to keep the ball in the second half was caused a lot by the Werder formation off the ball, which pressed us in key areas in deep midfield. Allardyce's flat 4-4-2s have no record of that type of game plan.

I agree that the crosses and long balls are a concern, but if we keep the ball better - like we did in every other pre-season game - then we'll have fewer to deal with overall. That's the hope, along with high pressing game which wins the ball high up the pitch or forces their defenders into mistakes. I agree that I'd rather be playing West Ham later on in the season, but I don't feel all is lost on the evidence of one game.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 14, 2012, 03:43:53 PM
We might score more goals with Lambert's style of play but as Chris has pointed out we look like conceding far too easy from our defending as highlighted on Saturday's showing. Even with Dunne and Collins at their worst I doubt two of those goals we defended very poorly from would have been scored.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2012, 03:47:42 PM
We might score more goals with Lambert's style of play but as Chris has pointed out we look like conceding far too easy from our defending as highlighted on Saturday's showing. Even with Dunne and Collins at their worst I doubt two of those goals we defended very poorly from would have been scored.

This is true, but won't this be more exciting, more likely to be fun? In the short term, we're as unlikely to win the league as we are to be relegated, so if we're just middling around why don't we just enjoy ourselves?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 14, 2012, 03:52:33 PM
We might score more goals with Lambert's style of play but as Chris has pointed out we look like conceding far too easy from our defending as highlighted on Saturday's showing. Even with Dunne and Collins at their worst I doubt two of those goals we defended very poorly from would have been scored.

This is true, but won't this be more exciting, more likely to be fun? In the short term, we're as unlikely to win the league as we are to be relegated, so if we're just middling around why don't we just enjoy ourselves?

I suppose you're right and it's early days but the lack of understanding between Vlarr and Clarke is a concern. 
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 14, 2012, 03:53:29 PM
Indeed Monty. I said to a mate yesterday, instead of last season and knowing the odds were it would be 0-0, 0-1, 1-0 or 1-1, it will be 3-2, 3-3, 2-3 and so on. We'll still be inconsistent but it will be a lot more fun to watch.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: supertom on August 14, 2012, 04:06:05 PM
We might score more goals with Lambert's style of play but as Chris has pointed out we look like conceding far too easy from our defending as highlighted on Saturday's showing. Even with Dunne and Collins at their worst I doubt two of those goals we defended very poorly from would have been scored.

This is true, but won't this be more exciting, more likely to be fun? In the short term, we're as unlikely to win the league as we are to be relegated, so if we're just middling around why don't we just enjoy ourselves?

I suppose you're right and it's early days but the lack of understanding between Vlarr and Clarke is a concern. 
Thankfully neither of them play for us.
;)
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on August 14, 2012, 04:12:35 PM
We might score more goals with Lambert's style of play but as Chris has pointed out we look like conceding far too easy from our defending as highlighted on Saturday's showing. Even with Dunne and Collins at their worst I doubt two of those goals we defended very poorly from would have been scored.

This is true, but won't this be more exciting, more likely to be fun? In the short term, we're as unlikely to win the league as we are to be relegated, so if we're just middling around why don't we just enjoy ourselves?

That's a different issue though, this is a specific pre match thread for Saturday. I'm looking forward to the season and can happily cope with a few iffy results if it looks like things are going in the right direction.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2012, 04:17:59 PM
Indeed Monty. I said to mate yesterday, instead of last season and knowing the odds were it would be 0-0, 0-1, 1-0 or 1-1 like last season, it will be 3-2, 3-3, 2-3 and so on. We'll still be inconsistent but it will be a lot more fun to watch.

I agree. Jorge Valdano made the point: in a 20-team league, only one team can win, so, if everyone has played 'results' football without the results to match, what have they contributed? This is especially true if, like us, you're not in great danger of going down either, so if we middle around playing dull, 'results-oriented' football, than we've bored ourselves and everyone else for no reason. I vote for fun.

Bren, it is a concern, but don't forget as well that this is Clark's first attempt ever at forging such a partnership in his career, so we will almost certainly have to be patient along the way, but if it works out it'll be well, well worth it long-term. In that, Chris, I think we agree.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: lukey27 on August 14, 2012, 04:18:44 PM
Monty, it wasn't tactical astuteness that was our undoing on Saturday but a basic inability to defend crosses and in the second half to keep the ball.

No different to the last two seasons then. It's clearly going to take time but the problems in possession and defensive problems from set plays have haunted us since MON left.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: sendô WHU on August 14, 2012, 05:27:21 PM
Greetings again Villains. The new football season seems to have snuck up on me with all the excitement with the Olympics.

Two things surprised me with West Ham this summer. Firstly, that we've actually signed a couple of decent looking players - Alou Diarra from Marseille who seems a decent player, Momo Diama from Wigan for nothing, and of course your very own favourite Welshman, the Ginger Pele aka James Collins, who has returned to his east London home. The other thing that surprised me is that we haven't signed any "big name" players, despite a seemingly protracted "saga" chasing a tall white long haired Geordie version of Carlton Cole.

Still, onwards and upwards, and what was a decent standard squad from last year has been supplemented by three decent additions. The loss of Green was a shame, but we've got an experienced replacement in Jussi and a young upcoming 'keeper in Stephen Henderson.

Our squad is probably still light another striker, our only options being the infuriating Cole, the enigmatic but often erratic winger/forward Vaz Te, the unproven in the top flight Nicky Maynard and Sam Baldock (the latter of which seems to be unwanted by Allardyce) and the well past his best Piquionne. However we're solid through the middle, and the midfield is strong.

Allardyce of course won't be fooled into any silly footballing ethos type experiments, picking his players to play a system that both works to their strengths and plays on the percentages. It's not always the prettiest to watch but too much of the Premier League is based on not losing at all costs these days that merely staying up is akin to winning the league.

Still, when it worked for us last season particularly in April and May we did produce some great football, far better than the dross we managed under Zola who was supposedly an exponent of the beautiful game.

As for this weekend, well it's anyone's guess as far as I'm concerned. Our pre-season form has been erratic at best, and I've paid very little attention to football all summer. It took me a few moments over the weekend to remember who won the cup last season, and just now I struggled to remember Paul Lambert is now your gaffer.

I'll plump for the draw, even though I've ticked a home win on the poll.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2012, 05:38:24 PM
Indeed Monty. I said to mate yesterday, instead of last season and knowing the odds were it would be 0-0, 0-1, 1-0 or 1-1 like last season, it will be 3-2, 3-3, 2-3 and so on. We'll still be inconsistent but it will be a lot more fun to watch.

I agree. Jorge Valdano made the point: in a 20-team league, only one team can win, so, if everyone has played 'results' football without the results to match, what have they contributed? This is especially true if, like us, you're not in great danger of going down either, so if we middle around playing dull, 'results-oriented' football, than we've bored ourselves and everyone else for no reason. I vote for fun.

Not sure what it will do for my nerves but I guess you're right. I mainly hated MON's 'results-orientated' football because despite all the points and those miraculous top 6 finishes, even with all the investment made by Randy Lerner, we'd acheived nothing as a footballing side. Unless you're a poxy little club trying to stay up in your first season in the Premier League, there's no excuse for deliberately playing ugly football.

Hopefully Paul Lambert will have the lads winning and entertaining. The two things are not and never have been exclusive, although since Brian Little you'd almost think they were.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 14, 2012, 05:47:21 PM
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2880346,00.html

Quote
Brett Holman hopes his "go, go, go" approach puts the skids under opposition defenders this season, starting with West Ham on Saturday.

Holman is relishing pitting his wits against the finest stoppers the Barclays Premier League has to offer, beginning at Upton Park at the weekend.

Holman thinks his attacking instincts, which have been so prevalent in pre-season, will be positive for Villa this term as they look to go on the offensive.

He said: "The non-stop, go-go-go sort of approach has been a positive thing for me.

"I try to do that with short sharp bursts and sprinting and turning and that sort of stuff. Hopefully that can be a big part of my role in the Premier League.

"I've always tried to play in a direct, attacking way, especially with my old club. The way we played was very attacking minded.

"Obviously the main aim is to score goals and we've got some quality players who can play some really good attacking football.

"You have to learn how the players around you play, what type of runs they make and what type of balls they want.

"It has to be the right time of course, but I think when you get the ball, if it's on, then the forward option is the best option."

Holman has been happy with how his first pre-season at Villa has gone and he's thrilled to be in tip-top shape on the eve of the top-flight opener.

He added: "You have to work hard in pre-season and the main thing is to get your fitness virtually at the peak for the first game of the Barclays Premier League.

"So far so good, there's been no injuries for me which has been positive and I feel really fit.

"You always can do more or better in matches and in friendlies you also try things out and maybe things that you wouldn't do in games that count."
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2012, 05:50:49 PM
Sounds like a nutter. I like very much.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2012, 06:03:30 PM
1-3 win for me, clark from a corner, then 2 bent goals early 2nd half, with them getting 1 on about 75 and leaving us a bit twitchy for the last 15.

I'd play:

Given
Lowton - Vlaar - Clark - Lichaj
Bannan - El Ahmadi - Delph
Ireland - Holman
Bent

Holman playing the 2nd striker role, Ireland a free role to wander and find space.

Width from the full backs and encourage 1 of the central 3 to go out and support the ball on their side, to give an option so, if we are wide, we don't feel obligated to throw it in the box.

In my mind Holman is the key, if he can draw Collins onto the ball (which we all know is his major weakness) We can isolate their other defender 1-on-1 with Bent, odds which, on evidence, Bent will approve of.  Full backs getting forwar and keeping their fullbacks from tucking in will be important too.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2012, 06:15:06 PM
I agree with your analysis there Paul. Collins let us down positionally time and time again by getting sucked to the ball - it would be nice to exploit this well-known weakness.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2012, 06:33:39 PM
I'd play:

Given
Lowton - Vlaar - Clark - Lichaj
Bannan - El Ahmadi - Delph
Ireland - Holman
Bent

Holman playing the 2nd striker role, Ireland a free role to wander and find space.

Width from the full backs and encourage 1 of the central 3 to go out and support the ball on their side, to give an option so, if we are wide, we don't feel obligated to throw it in the box.

That's the best team I've seen to date. My main worry is Lowton being exploited down the right, attacking wise he's supposedly fine but his defending is open to questioning. Bannan would have to make sure he didn't leave him left to deal with the pace of Vaz Te. Hopefully El Ahmadi can get the defensive midfield organised.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 14, 2012, 07:02:17 PM
As its the first game of the season, we should accidentally turn up with just our home shirts. The kit man can say he had forgot what with the summer break and everything.
We do owe them one remember. 
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2012, 07:12:00 PM
without graphics it's hard to describe how we should be playing but the concept is:

Lowton breaks forward
Ireland and Bannan form a triangle with him to offer passes and keep the ball
Bent looks for space in the box
Holman comes into the box late
Defensively one of delph or el ahmadi steps into a right of centre defensive midfield role
The other one, or lichaj provides width on the left

so you should always have 4 players in defensive positions, with one midfielder in place to fill in at full back.

In theory you're concentrating on reducing the amount of running people do to get into position, and letting the energy be used more productively.  The key is having everyone buy into it and have the situational awareness to do the right job (which you train them towards).

I'm a rugby boy at heart and you're effectively using similar concepts whereby the role is played by the nearest person, not the specific person, other than a few key roles where you'll have 1-2 players who do that job (for rugby think full back, scrum half and fly half, for football, one of the central defenders and the main striker).
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: luke25 on August 14, 2012, 07:14:35 PM
without graphics it's hard to describe how we should be playing but the concept is:

Lowton breaks forward
Ireland and Bannan form a triangle with him to offer passes and keep the ball
Bent looks for space in the box
Holman comes into the box late
Defensively one of delph or el ahmadi steps into a right of centre defensive midfield role
The other one, or lichaj provides width on the left

so you should always have 4 players in defensive positions, with one midfielder in place to fill in at full back.

In theory you're concentrating on reducing the amount of running people do to get into position, and letting the energy be used more productively.  The key is having everyone buy into it and have the situational awareness to do the right job (which you train them towards).

I'm a rugby boy at heart and you're effectively using similar concepts whereby the role is played by the nearest person, not the specific person, other than a few key roles where you'll have 1-2 players who do that job (for rugby think full back, scrum half and fly half, for football, one of the central defenders and the main striker).
Shhhhh they have spys on here.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2012, 07:15:36 PM
we probably won't play that way, it's just what I think we should do, and oddly what I think our squad would be best suited to.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 14, 2012, 07:47:39 PM
without graphics it's hard to describe how we should be playing but the concept is:

Lowton breaks forward
Ireland and Bannan form a triangle with him to offer passes and keep the ball
Bent looks for space in the box
Holman comes into the box late
Defensively one of delph or el ahmadi steps into a right of centre defensive midfield role
The other one, or lichaj provides width on the left

so you should always have 4 players in defensive positions, with one midfielder in place to fill in at full back.

In theory you're concentrating on reducing the amount of running people do to get into position, and letting the energy be used more productively.  The key is having everyone buy into it and have the situational awareness to do the right job (which you train them towards).

I'm a rugby boy at heart and you're effectively using similar concepts whereby the role is played by the nearest person, not the specific person, other than a few key roles where you'll have 1-2 players who do that job (for rugby think full back, scrum half and fly half, for football, one of the central defenders and the main striker).
Shhhhh they have spys on here.

Whenever us common fans start thinking a little deeper tactically, Im reminded of this.

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Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 14, 2012, 08:48:11 PM
2-2.

Bent and N'zogbia.

Anyone else think it's inevitable James Collins will score for them from a corner?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on August 14, 2012, 09:07:34 PM
2-2.

Bent and N'zogbia.

Anyone else think it's inevitable James Collins will score for them from a corner?

He won't be playing, he needs an operation on his groin
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: peter w on August 15, 2012, 08:17:31 AM
Its true that we don't look to have the strongest team on paper but thatw as also said of Norwich when they came up last season. In football there are a few managers that guarantee their teams 10-15 points per season minimum based on tehir management ability alone, whether man-management or tactically. Mourinho is at the top of the tree in that regard, and you can just about still add Ferguson. Sadly, because I think he's a winker O'Neill is also in that category. And for me, so is Lambert. i've been saying this since he was in the Championship with Norwich.

So, when looking at teh season as a whole, and not just one match I think having Lambert will see us pull together as a team more and become that almost cliched 'sum of the parts...'. We'll end the season with more points than a lot of pundits, and maybe Villa fans, would otherwise exoect. It may start on Saturday. As has been said we're  an ongoing work in progress and definitely need more quality.

We may lose on saturday because antything can happen on teh opening day - its almost like an FA Cup 3rd round game. However, I bet that if this game was in October or November, for example, it'd be one where we'd surprise a few and win 2-0 or 2-1. So, I still think we may lose but for me on saturday its almost as in important how we are set-up, how we respond to conceding, how we respond after a half-time team-talk, how we play if and when we have our spells on top.

This is the most intriguing, exciting, hopeful game that me, and quite  few of us, have looked forward to for a while now. Its almost as if the score, although obviously important, is almost secondary to how we perform. I think that whatever happens teh positives, compared to the last two seasons, will outweigh the negatives.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: silhillvilla on August 15, 2012, 09:13:10 AM
I think there will be goals, quite a few
Cue a boring 0-0
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Irish villain on August 15, 2012, 09:43:15 AM
Another 2-2 draw from me.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Irreverent ad on August 15, 2012, 10:00:57 AM
2-2.

Bent and N'zogbia.

Anyone else think it's inevitable James Collins will score for them from a corner?

He won't be playing, he needs an operation on his groin

Chairman thinks he will make it:

David Gold ‏@DavidGoldWHU

“@BKhammer1: David any word on whether McCartney and Collins will be fit for Villa? I'm hopeful that both will be available for selection
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 15, 2012, 10:44:09 AM
Villa win and I'll tell you why, They weren't particurlarly good last year especially at home, 7 new players but none of them are that good, we'll want to get off to a flyer
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Mazrim on August 15, 2012, 10:47:00 AM
Lowton breaks forward
Ireland and Bannan form a triangle with him to offer passes and keep the ball
Bent looks for space in the box
Holman comes into the box late
Defensively one of delph or el ahmadi steps into a right of centre defensive midfield role
The other one, or lichaj provides width on the left


Sounds like the planning scene in The Dirty Dozen.

"1- Lowton breaks down the right for fun.
2- The balls put through.
3- Bent's the man free.
4- Villa score.
5- Concrete ron marshalls the line.
6- Fat Sam eats dicks.
7- ....etc "

Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 15, 2012, 12:51:25 PM
Hopefully we can get a draw - pain in the arse playing a newly promoted side away at the start of the season.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 15, 2012, 01:57:56 PM
4-3 defeat. Defence worries me.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 15, 2012, 02:08:30 PM
Advert in the London Standard a couple of days ago advertising that there are still 2500 tickets left, which surprised me.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 15, 2012, 02:12:01 PM
2-4 Away win and the start of a wild ride of goal filled matches, thrills and spills.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 15, 2012, 02:23:30 PM
4-3 defeat. Defence worries me.

West Hams attack doesn't worry me too much. 2-1 us.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 15, 2012, 02:53:49 PM
2-2 draw which I would be happy with as long as we follow it up with a win at home.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 15, 2012, 09:23:19 PM
So we have Gabby, Dunne, Albrighton, Herd and possibly Lowton, Carruthers and Holman injured. We sure pissed off the injury Gods somehow these last couple of years.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 15, 2012, 09:53:49 PM
Greetings again Villains. The new football season seems to have snuck up on me with all the excitement with the Olympics.

Two things surprised me with West Ham this summer. Firstly, that we've actually signed a couple of decent looking players - Alou Diarra from Marseille who seems a decent player, Momo Diama from Wigan for nothing, and of course your very own favourite Welshman, the Ginger Pele aka James Collins, who has returned to his east London home. The other thing that surprised me is that we haven't signed any "big name" players, despite a seemingly protracted "saga" chasing a tall white long haired Geordie version of Carlton Cole.

Still, onwards and upwards, and what was a decent standard squad from last year has been supplemented by three decent additions. The loss of Green was a shame, but we've got an experienced replacement in Jussi and a young upcoming 'keeper in Stephen Henderson.

Our squad is probably still light another striker, our only options being the infuriating Cole, the enigmatic but often erratic winger/forward Vaz Te, the unproven in the top flight Nicky Maynard and Sam Baldock (the latter of which seems to be unwanted by Allardyce) and the well past his best Piquionne. However we're solid through the middle, and the midfield is strong.

Allardyce of course won't be fooled into any silly footballing ethos type experiments, picking his players to play a system that both works to their strengths and plays on the percentages. It's not always the prettiest to watch but too much of the Premier League is based on not losing at all costs these days that merely staying up is akin to winning the league.

Still, when it worked for us last season particularly in April and May we did produce some great football, far better than the dross we managed under Zola who was supposedly an exponent of the beautiful game.

As for this weekend, well it's anyone's guess as far as I'm concerned. Our pre-season form has been erratic at best, and I've paid very little attention to football all summer. It took me a few moments over the weekend to remember who won the cup last season, and just now I struggled to remember Paul Lambert is now your gaffer.

I'll plump for the draw, even though I've ticked a home win on the poll.

Welcome back Sendo. Didn't you also sign a french striker over the summer?

I think you'll struggle in defence against pace if Collins and Tomkins are your first choice partnership this season.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: richard moore on August 15, 2012, 10:37:08 PM
Advert in the London Standard a couple of days ago advertising that there are still 2500 tickets left, which surprised me.

Olympic hangover? Too much football on the television seemingly all year round? The credit crunch? People falling out of love with the game generally? A mediocre league full of workmanlike teams? Probably a combination of all these factors put together. What amazes me is that so many people still turn up to watch it all
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 15, 2012, 11:21:58 PM
So we have Gabby, Dunne, Albrighton, Herd and possibly Lowton, Carruthers and Holman injured. We sure pissed off the injury Gods somehow these last couple of years.
Lowtons fit for Saturday, what's happened to Holman?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 15, 2012, 11:26:56 PM
Went off injured tonight.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on August 16, 2012, 12:15:29 AM
2-2
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on August 16, 2012, 05:36:59 AM
If Holman is injured I think the only choices to make are given / guzan, delph / bannan and fonz / weimann. I reckon we'd go:

Given - Lowton, vlaar, Clark, lichaj - KEA bannan - Ireland CNZ - weimann bent

Guzan baker Gardner delph Johnson delfouneso and god knows who else. Perhaps warnock?

If Holman is fit I reckon he starts ahead of weimann.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pedro25 on August 16, 2012, 09:07:23 AM
If Holman's out I'd put Delph in not Weiman.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JD on August 16, 2012, 09:25:32 AM
Greetings again Villains. The new football season seems to have snuck up on me with all the excitement with the Olympics.

Two things surprised me with West Ham this summer. Firstly, that we've actually signed a couple of decent looking players - Alou Diarra from Marseille who seems a decent player, Momo Diama from Wigan for nothing, and of course your very own favourite Welshman, the Ginger Pele aka James Collins, who has returned to his east London home. The other thing that surprised me is that we haven't signed any "big name" players, despite a seemingly protracted "saga" chasing a tall white long haired Geordie version of Carlton Cole.

Still, onwards and upwards, and what was a decent standard squad from last year has been supplemented by three decent additions. The loss of Green was a shame, but we've got an experienced replacement in Jussi and a young upcoming 'keeper in Stephen Henderson.

Our squad is probably still light another striker, our only options being the infuriating Cole, the enigmatic but often erratic winger/forward Vaz Te, the unproven in the top flight Nicky Maynard and Sam Baldock (the latter of which seems to be unwanted by Allardyce) and the well past his best Piquionne. However we're solid through the middle, and the midfield is strong.

Allardyce of course won't be fooled into any silly footballing ethos type experiments, picking his players to play a system that both works to their strengths and plays on the percentages. It's not always the prettiest to watch but too much of the Premier League is based on not losing at all costs these days that merely staying up is akin to winning the league.

Still, when it worked for us last season particularly in April and May we did produce some great football, far better than the dross we managed under Zola who was supposedly an exponent of the beautiful game.

As for this weekend, well it's anyone's guess as far as I'm concerned. Our pre-season form has been erratic at best, and I've paid very little attention to football all summer. It took me a few moments over the weekend to remember who won the cup last season, and just now I struggled to remember Paul Lambert is now your gaffer.

I'll plump for the draw, even though I've ticked a home win on the poll.

Welcome back Sendo after your year away in the Championship. 
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Irish villain on August 16, 2012, 09:35:43 AM
We need to make another couple of signings.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rob92 on August 16, 2012, 11:30:51 AM
It amazes me how highly rated Collins is by the West Ham fans. Having said that, he suits Big Sam's style of "football"
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 16, 2012, 12:06:42 PM
If Holman's out I'd put Delph in not Weiman.

Me too.  Can see the team looking something like:

                    Given

Lowton    Vlaar   Clark  Lichaj / Baker

                     Bannan

       El Ahmadi           Delph
             
                     Ireland

            Bent            N'Zogbia

I've got some reservations about that back line and really hoped the LB situation would have been sorted before the first game. 
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on August 16, 2012, 12:18:52 PM
2-2. Diarra 2, 10. Bent 56, N'Zogbia 88.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 16, 2012, 12:24:35 PM
We need to make another couple of signings.

Can't see it - Lerner is content to reduce the squad to the bare bones to save his dollars. I just don't see the point of his ownership of the club anymore - what does he get out of it? The playing stock has reduced massively in quality over the last two years.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on August 16, 2012, 12:37:48 PM
We need to make another couple of signings.

Can't see it - Lerner is content to reduce the squad to the bare bones to save his dollars. I just don't see the point of his ownership of the club anymore - what does he get out of it? The playing stock has reduced massively in quality over the last two years.

Right, so this new head of European scouting will be sitting around twiddling his thumbs will he?  I winder if Lerner will get him to mow his lawn.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 16, 2012, 12:39:42 PM
2-1 West Ham, i think that after a promotion back to the top flight a buzzing Upton Park and a team desperate to get off to a good start in front of them will have too much for a probable mid table Villa. We will play ok, but ultimately come up short.
Given, Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, Warnock, Holman, El Ahmadi, Ireland, Gardner, N'Zogbia, Bent. 4-4-1-1 with Holman RM, NZog LM and Ireland in behind Bent.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 16, 2012, 12:50:58 PM


Can't see it - Lerner is content to reduce the squad to the bare bones to save his dollars. I just don't see the point of his ownership of the club anymore - what does he get out of it

It gives you something to moan about.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on August 16, 2012, 01:08:03 PM
Any updates on Holman?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2012, 01:14:28 PM
OUTRAGED Socceroos skipper Lucas Neill was disturbed by the fact Brett Holman's debut with Aston Villa on Saturday was thrown into chaos after a kamikaze Gary Caldwell tackle.

The Wigan and Scotland captain's hatchet job on Holman before the Socceroos crashed 3-1 to the Dark Blues at Edinburgh's Easter Road Stadium on Thursday staggered Neill.

Holman was expecting to experience his first English Premier League clash against West Ham at Upton Park before he was forced off clutching his knee and ankle after Caldwell's bone cruncher before half-time.

"He (Holman) was hobbling a bit, it wasn't the best tackle for a friendly," said Neill a former West Ham captain.

"OK it was a desperate situation but we could of done without that one, he (Holman) could have especially when he wants to make an important impact at Villa.

"Maybe he won't get that chance.

"I know he was in line to play, all the reports coming out of Villa saying they're very happy with him.

"Hopefully he doesn't have to delay his debut in the Premier League."

Holman was one of the Socceroos best performers in a night to forget.

Holman - a former member of Dutch club AZ - had claims for a penalty when his close range effort hit Danny Fox's arm just seconds before Mark Bresciano scored the goal of the game with a 23m volley.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2012, 01:14:41 PM
Mat Kendrick @MatKendrick
To those asking about the extent of Brett Holman's injury from Australia duty. Hope to know more later or at press conference tomorrow a.m.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on August 16, 2012, 01:24:15 PM
Fucking totally meaningless internationals 3 days before the big kick off !
What a load of wank. 
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 16, 2012, 01:26:41 PM
Caldwell is an absolute donkey at the best of times, hope it's nothing serious.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: OCD on August 16, 2012, 01:32:50 PM
Ironic to be reading about Lucas Neill talking about a defender making a bad tackle.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PGW on August 16, 2012, 01:34:55 PM
Can always bring Hutton back into squad to make up the numbers in this ever diminishing squad!!!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 16, 2012, 01:40:19 PM
Can always bring Hutton back into squad to make up the numbers in this ever diminishing squad!!!

Probably just as helpful to pick someone from the crowd.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on August 16, 2012, 01:53:14 PM
2-2
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 16, 2012, 01:58:36 PM
I didn't know about Holman, that's fucking shit the ex West Ham Bastard!!

I hate that pointless fucking friendly
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 16, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Fucking totally meaningless internationals 3 days before the big kick off !
What a load of wank. 

Fully agree.  These friendly games do my head in.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 16, 2012, 02:31:58 PM
Fucking totally meaningless internationals 3 days before the big kick off !
What a load of wank. 

Fully agree.  These friendly games do my head in.

The biggest problem I have with these games is the amount of top players who pick up 'niggles' in the last week of pre-season.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 16, 2012, 03:55:15 PM
Fucking totally meaningless internationals 3 days before the big kick off !
What a load of wank. 

Fully agree.  These friendly games do my head in.

The biggest problem I have with these games is the amount of top players who pick up 'niggles' in the last week of pre-season.

This is the last time this will happen so close to the season starting.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on August 16, 2012, 07:53:12 PM
A bit rich of Lucas Neill to moan about a bad tackle given his record.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on August 16, 2012, 08:13:13 PM
And so the season begins.

A precursor to what we can expect this season. A fair few goals, at both ends.

2-2 Bent, Holman

0-2 away win.

That's it, steal my thunder.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: sendô WHU on August 16, 2012, 09:06:49 PM
Welcome back Sendo. Didn't you also sign a french striker over the summer?

I think you'll struggle in defence against pace if Collins and Tomkins are your first choice partnership this season.
Cheers. Hopefully it'll be good to be back. I've got to admit I enjoyed our jaunt in the lower echelons of English football. It was nice winning most weeks, we were probably on tele more often and it makes you realise just how annoying the Premier League is seeing proper football teams come to the Boleyn. Still, one season is enough.

We've also signed Maiga who looks like a decent forward/winger, which fits into Allardyces preferred 4-3-3 system with two fast wide players. Quite excited by him, so he'll probably flop.

Collins isn't the fastest but he's big and solid and our defensive options are otherwise quite light. Tomkins aside, Reid probably isn't quite Premier League standard. What do you lot think of the big ginger Taff then, glad to be rid? Has he regressed since we let him go to you?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on August 16, 2012, 09:18:38 PM
Welcome back Sendo. Didn't you also sign a french striker over the summer?

I think you'll struggle in defence against pace if Collins and Tomkins are your first choice partnership this season.
Cheers. Hopefully it'll be good to be back. I've got to admit I enjoyed our jaunt in the lower echelons of English football. It was nice winning most weeks, we were probably on tele more often and it makes you realise just how annoying the Premier League is seeing proper football teams come to the Boleyn. Still, one season is enough.

We've also signed Maiga who looks like a decent forward/winger, which fits into Allardyces preferred 4-3-3 system with two fast wide players. Quite excited by him, so he'll probably flop.

Collins isn't the fastest but he's big and solid and our defensive options are otherwise quite light. Tomkins aside, Reid probably isn't quite Premier League standard. What do you lot think of the big ginger Taff then, glad to be rid? Has he regressed since we let him go to you?


he can hold his own in a night club rumpus so i've heard
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Shrek on August 17, 2012, 09:33:26 AM
Welcome back Sendo. Didn't you also sign a french striker over the summer?

I think you'll struggle in defence against pace if Collins and Tomkins are your first choice partnership this season.
Cheers. Hopefully it'll be good to be back. I've got to admit I enjoyed our jaunt in the lower echelons of English football. It was nice winning most weeks, we were probably on tele more often and it makes you realise just how annoying the Premier League is seeing proper football teams come to the Boleyn. Still, one season is enough.

We've also signed Maiga who looks like a decent forward/winger, which fits into Allardyces preferred 4-3-3 system with two fast wide players. Quite excited by him, so he'll probably flop.

Collins isn't the fastest but he's big and solid and our defensive options are otherwise quite light. Tomkins aside, Reid probably isn't quite Premier League standard. What do you lot think of the big ginger Taff then, glad to be rid? Has he regressed since we let him go to you?

He has got progressively worse every season, he doesn't understand discipline and he loves to just hoof it aimlessly up front. Also he is absolutely shocking at defending corners and his goals have dried up. We are all very happy he has left.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pedro25 on August 17, 2012, 09:44:23 AM
Totally agree with above, he was bought as back up to Dunne and Cuellar, only surprise was he played well in his first season with us (3 yrs ago) and kept Cuellar out of the team.  Since then pretty awful really.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 17, 2012, 10:10:40 AM
Does anyone know of any boozers around Solihull, b'ham that would show the match on Saturday?
I know rococco on broad st used to show a foreign stream of the villa!?
British Oak, Pershore Road, Stirchley.

Are you ok to wear colours in this pub?
Gonna pop up for sure as need to see Opening day
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: tom jennings III on August 17, 2012, 10:10:54 AM
Sorry if this was posted elsewhere I just saw it on face book:
Quote
Paul Lambert says Villa will have a near fully fit squad for the West Ham clash. Nathan Delfouneso (thigh strain) is rated as "touch and go" but Brett Holman is available despite picking up a knock on international duty in midweek. Chris Herd has also resumed training. Gabby Agbonlahor, Marc Albrighton and Richard Dunne remain the only long-term injuries.

Happy that Holman is available, he seems up for it this season. I've gone for a draw (1-1 I think) where we out play them but can't finish well enough to kill the game off, they equalise and we look dodgy for the last 15 but hold on.

UP THE VILLA
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 17, 2012, 10:19:58 AM
Holman is available
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 17, 2012, 10:20:13 AM
Does anyone know of any boozers around Solihull, b'ham that would show the match on Saturday?
I know rococco on broad st used to show a foreign stream of the villa!?
British Oak, Pershore Road, Stirchley.

Are you ok to wear colours in this pub?
Gonna pop up for sure as need to see Opening day

Yes. No problems with colours.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: OCD on August 17, 2012, 10:22:40 AM
1-2 Holman, Fonz.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 17, 2012, 10:26:25 AM
Does anyone know of any boozers around Solihull, b'ham that would show the match on Saturday?
I know rococco on broad st used to show a foreign stream of the villa!?
British Oak, Pershore Road, Stirchley.

Are you ok to wear colours in this pub?
Gonna pop up for sure as need to see Opening day

Yes. No problems with colours.

Cheers mate
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on August 17, 2012, 11:08:20 AM
Talking of watching it on foreign streams....heard a piece on R5 yesterday saying there's going to be another big crackdown on watching online via illicit streams.  So before I ask 'has anyone got a decent link' tomorrow, does anyone use Villa Streams/is it any good/how much?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 17, 2012, 11:34:08 AM
Talking of watching it on foreign streams....heard a piece on R5 yesterday saying there's going to be another big crackdown on watching online via illicit streams.  So before I ask 'has anyone got a decent link' tomorrow, does anyone use Villa Streams/is it any good/how much?

£13 for 3 months. It's very good. Used it for a couple of years now.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 17, 2012, 11:59:46 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/08/17/lambert-eyeing-kenwyne-jones-and-jermain-defoe/#ixzz23ndw9KzL

Quote
The Villa boss also confirmed that midfielder Brett Holman has recovered from the ankle injury he sustained while on international duty with Australia against Scotland during the week.

He added: “Brett Holman’s fine and I think that he was taken off as a precaution.  Gabby Agbonlahor, Marc Albrighton and Richard Dunne are still out. Chris Herd trained yesterday and he is fine but Nathan Delfouneso is a doubt.”



Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: preston28 on August 17, 2012, 12:07:40 PM
I'll take a draw. 1-1 I feel.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on August 17, 2012, 12:30:01 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/08/17/lambert-eyeing-kenwyne-jones-and-jermain-defoe/#ixzz23ndw9KzL

Quote
The Villa boss also confirmed that midfielder Brett Holman has recovered from the ankle injury he sustained while on international duty with Australia against Scotland during the week.

He added: “Brett Holman’s fine and I think that he was taken off as a precaution.  Gabby Agbonlahor, Marc Albrighton and Richard Dunne are still out. Chris Herd trained yesterday and he is fine but Nathan Delfouneso is a doubt.”


Feel better reading that. 

The heat will be a factor tomorrow, supposed to be around 30c in London.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on August 17, 2012, 12:30:01 PM
Talking of watching it on foreign streams....heard a piece on R5 yesterday saying there's going to be another big crackdown on watching online via illicit streams.  So before I ask 'has anyone got a decent link' tomorrow, does anyone use Villa Streams/is it any good/how much?

£13 for 3 months. It's very good. Used it for a couple of years now.

Cheers PTV, think I'll give it a go
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on August 17, 2012, 12:36:17 PM
Talking of watching it on foreign streams....heard a piece on R5 yesterday saying there's going to be another big crackdown on watching online via illicit streams.  So before I ask 'has anyone got a decent link' tomorrow, does anyone use Villa Streams/is it any good/how much?

£13 for 3 months. It's very good. Used it for a couple of years now.

Cheers PTV, think I'll give it a go

I believe it's closed to new sign ups.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on August 17, 2012, 12:45:52 PM
Talking of watching it on foreign streams....heard a piece on R5 yesterday saying there's going to be another big crackdown on watching online via illicit streams.  So before I ask 'has anyone got a decent link' tomorrow, does anyone use Villa Streams/is it any good/how much?

£13 for 3 months. It's very good. Used it for a couple of years now.

Cheers PTV, think I'll give it a go

I believe it's closed to new sign ups.

That's that plan buggered then.  Looks like it'll be back to 'anyone got a decent link'  >:(
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PGW on August 17, 2012, 12:56:42 PM
Flashsportsstreams.com - I use it for midweek games and away games i dont go to.....quality bang on. It does cost for a full year, will set you back £39.99 but you can subscribe for a shorter period to see if it suits you. I occasionally use it to watch Sky Atlantic programmes. Virtually every premier gme screened......have a look!!! West ham game on!!!!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on August 17, 2012, 01:19:10 PM
Nice one PGW - I'll give it a whirl.  May see what coverage there is for West Ham tomorrow first.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: atomicjam on August 17, 2012, 01:27:04 PM
I signed up for 3 months at Villa Streams earlier today with no problems.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: bri_the_villain on August 17, 2012, 02:31:34 PM
I signed up for 3 months at Villa Streams earlier today with no problems.

How did you manage that, atomicjam?  I just tried by clicking the "Not registered yet? Signup here" link on the site and got a "Sign Up's are closed" message.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dr Butler on August 17, 2012, 03:01:30 PM
thinking about the game tomorrow and am I the only one who hates that fucking bubbles song ?

fucking dirge..

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on August 17, 2012, 03:12:27 PM
thinking about the game tomorrow and am I the only one who hates that fucking bubbles song ?

fucking dirge..

UTV
The Doc

Well they might be 'blowing bubbles' but we'll be 'doing the Lambeth Walk'

Ha ha.

It's Friday.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2012, 03:15:53 PM
Less than a day to KO. I'm so excited I could crush a grape.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on August 17, 2012, 03:35:06 PM
thinking about the game tomorrow and am I the only one who hates that fucking bubbles song ?

fucking dirge..

UTV
The Doc

Gets on my tits too.  Last time I went there we were singing 'you can stick your fucking bubbles up your arse'. Don't think they were best pleased.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on August 17, 2012, 03:48:10 PM
thinking about the game tomorrow and am I the only one who hates that fucking bubbles song ?

fucking dirge..

UTV
The Doc

Gets on my tits too.  Last time I went there we were singing 'you can stick your fucking bubbles up your arse'. Don't think they were best pleased.

I somehow don't think we're the first to sing that at them.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Situation on August 17, 2012, 03:49:42 PM
Why is it all the leagues are starting on the same weekend? I thought the leagues below the Premier League start a week before the Premier League season starts?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 17, 2012, 03:53:53 PM
I'm definately up for the sticking bubbles up the cockney cant's arses tomorrow
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Summers on August 17, 2012, 03:58:20 PM
I am so bloody excited!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2012, 04:02:24 PM
Why is it all the leagues are starting on the same weekend? I thought the leagues below the Premier League start a week before the Premier League season starts?

Olympics probably, none of the lower league London clubs could have played during it I guess?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2012, 04:11:47 PM
From the OS

Quote
Brett Holman is fit to face West Ham.

Holman limped off the pitch for Australia after a strong tackle from Scotland's Gary Caldwell a minute before half-time in their friendly at Easter Road and was promptly substituted at the break.

But Paul Lambert revealed in his pre-match press conference that the midfield playmaker is fit to face the Hammers.

Chris Herd [thigh] will also be fit after returning to training while Nathan Delfouneso [thigh] is "touch and go".

However, long-term casualties Gabby Agbonlahor [knee], Marc Albrighton [foot] and Richard Dunne [groin] are all out.

He said: "Brett is fine. It was a precaution he came off.

"Gabby, Marc and Richard are still out but Brett is okay."

Lambert is expecting a really tough game on Saturday, admitting Upton Park will be a "cauldron" because of the West Ham's promotion.

But he says his side will be going there to win.

He added: "I've never been to Upton Park before! It will be a really tough game. They will be vibrant because they've been promoted, even though a lot of the lads have played in the Premier League before.

"We will be going into a cauldron and we have to stand up to it and not be frightened by it.

"It will be really, really hard but we will go there and try and win.

"I can't wait now. I'm glad the new season is upon us. That is for sure.

"It's been a long pre-season and I can't wait to get going. It's a huge club and we will do everything we can to try and do well.

"I can't fault the lads for their effort, they have been brilliant.

"When they get that ball moving, they are a really good side. Sometimes you make mistakes, everyone will, but their attitude has been great.

"We are going to go there and try and win, not to try and settle for a draw."
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: andrew08 on August 17, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
I have no prediction for tomorrow. I'm happy to go along and enjoy the game and just watch the Villa again without having to check other scores. Yet.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: The Situation on August 17, 2012, 04:23:39 PM
Why is it all the leagues are starting on the same weekend? I thought the leagues below the Premier League start a week before the Premier League season starts?

Olympics probably, none of the lower league London clubs could have played during it I guess?
Yea that's probably why. Feels a bit strange with all the leagues starting on the same weekend.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2012, 06:04:01 PM
Delighted Holman is fit and ready for tomorrow. Tomorrow can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on August 17, 2012, 06:24:09 PM
I think it will be a 2-2 thrilla, with us letting in a last minute equaliser.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 17, 2012, 06:39:05 PM

The heat will be a factor tomorrow, supposed to be around 30c in London.


I hate hot weather. Does anyone want to offer me a seat in an Executive Box ? (and no, I don't mean the lovverly Karren's !!)
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: john e on August 17, 2012, 07:03:27 PM
dont get wearing any thick lumpy jumpers or heavy coats tomorow chaps
Title: Betty Swollocks
Post by: ju1i4n on August 17, 2012, 07:06:30 PM
Just to warn anyone going to Wet Spam tomorrow who hasn't seen the forecast - it's going to be absolutely bloody sweltering down there, 30C or so  8).  Better take on plenty of fluids....
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: luke25 on August 17, 2012, 07:07:55 PM
I'm changing my prediction to 1-3 Holman, Bent 2. New season optimism.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 17, 2012, 07:37:57 PM
1-1

Bent 25 mins
Some Knobhead 66 mins.
Title: Re: Betty Swollocks
Post by: DangerousBri on August 17, 2012, 08:11:15 PM
Time to bring the shorts out
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2012, 08:37:04 PM
Knobhead Nolan?

I do worry about us on the set pieces tommorrow as ever, it's a Big Sam team so they're bound to bundle one in at some point.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on August 17, 2012, 08:58:32 PM
Anyone know anywhere in the Cradley/Halesowen/Dudley area that might be showing the game? I'm in the area around that time. Can anyone help?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Shrek on August 17, 2012, 09:00:32 PM
Off twitter,

@SFitzgerald1986: No Diarra No Nolan No MacDonald Maiga starting tomorrow has to be said if weren't favorites before we should be now.

I'm a lot more confident now I know those 3 are not playing.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 17, 2012, 09:01:23 PM
Off twitter,

@SFitzgerald1986: No Diarra No Nolan No MacDonald Maiga starting tomorrow has to be said if weren't favorites before we should be now.

I'm a lot more confident now I know those 3 are not playing.
Good news!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: mattjpa on August 17, 2012, 09:13:19 PM
Alright gents, sorry if I'm being a Dufus but I've heard of a paying website that streams villa games and am up for paying for reliability as I'm sick of trawling through rubbish stream sites for our away games and missing half of them. Does anyone know the name/website and secondly is it worth the money? Thanks in advance
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: gervilla on August 17, 2012, 09:22:27 PM
Villastreams.
Not too expensive bit I don't bother anymore.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on August 18, 2012, 12:00:29 AM
Alright gents, sorry if I'm being a Dufus but I've heard of a paying website that streams villa games and am up for paying for reliability as I'm sick of trawling through rubbish stream sites for our away games and missing half of them. Does anyone know the name/website and secondly is it worth the money? Thanks in advance

I asked the same question a  a couple of pages back - replies 189/190 cover it. Villa Streams may be closed to new accounts but something called Flashsportsstreams may do the job
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 18, 2012, 01:14:22 AM
Second ask for a mate / any pubs in solihull Ish area that will show the match!?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: atomicjam on August 18, 2012, 01:50:50 AM
I signed up for 3 months at Villa Streams earlier today with no problems.

It might be that as I subscribed before a while ago I am on a database? But it definately accepted me for 3 months.

How did you manage that, atomicjam?  I just tried by clicking the "Not registered yet? Signup here" link on the site and got a "Sign Up's are closed" message.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: somec on August 18, 2012, 01:56:06 AM
To paraphrase the callers to the friday night phone ins,

Long time lurker, first time poster!

I can see this been a 2-2 draw with Bent and Holman scoring for us.

If I'm right do I get a bronx hat?!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: mattjpa on August 18, 2012, 06:54:54 AM
Thanks all, no luck with villa steams though unfortunately, sign ups are closed. Hardly good business sense IMO
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: rutski on August 18, 2012, 07:08:47 AM
My heart is with the boys today in cockerney land but my body will be at sevilla v getafe. 1-1 for the villaboys today!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VancouverLion on August 18, 2012, 09:10:17 AM
Come on Villa, let's start off with 3 points in the bag!!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: el león Benidorm on August 18, 2012, 09:17:00 AM
Please just don't lose. Where I live will be hell at 4.50 today if we lose. Oh and pockets will be a lot lighter too. My town is already teaming with kit stealers shirts and I work in the busiest pub in it.
Might piss off to V after work to avoid the grief...

2-2 with concrete ron to score the first!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 18, 2012, 09:21:23 AM
Come on Villa please get us off to a flying start today.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 18, 2012, 09:54:32 AM
So its xmas day and i have the Xmas Lambert-Tree fully assembled. Holman to me was key in this game and now he is deemed fit i feel he is our most likely scorer other than Bent. A "Concrete Ron" corner set piece would work for me also. Bubbles 0 Lamberts Army 1 Get in .......
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Fernando Partridge on August 18, 2012, 10:02:04 AM
I don't see this team losing and think there will be around 3 to four goals in this match.  A great counter attacking display...
                        Given
        Lowton Clarke Vlaar Lichaj
              Delph El Ahmadi
           Nzogbia Ireland Holman
                           Bent

Though I do see us conceding I predict a scoreline of 3-1 Villa. Bent will score 2 today(Maybe the welshman Collins gives away a pen)

The managers
I am of the view that Lambert is a more dynamic manager than Big Sam and he cam make the right tactics during the game. The way lambo used subs last season directly compared to big sam use (shocking at home, especially early on in season) gives me every faith we will do the business.

Villa are the better team. Villa have the better manager.

The facts
We  lost to West ham just once in 10 (yes TEN) matches so are we really gonna lose today NO WAY !!? on an opening day with a new manager
West ham have conceded in every pre season match apart from when they beat a german amateur side. They beat colchester but lost or drew all their other games.
We lost 3-1 to forest they lost 3-1 to ipswich.

Last season:
Lamberts Norwich only failed to score in 4 away matches !!
I'm looking at that rather than Villas poor record- due to our previous manager.
West ham lost their first home game last season and pressure is on Big sam and their players.


What i say

West ham have been pretty average in their pre season and we have come to gether nicely. There strentgh is in midfield and they have made some good signings in that department. Don't forget we have made some smart signings to.

That said I look forward to Villa continuing our fine record of taking points from west ham. Lambo will make the right tactical choices against west hams 4-3-3 system, with this we will exploit and counter onto west ham area and score first.
So i believe after taking the lead we can gain control.

let us enjoy! the new era :D
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Brian Taylor on August 18, 2012, 10:24:59 AM
We can do them. We know we can. New players New Boss New ideas New Day!!
We are 80-1 for Top 4 place with William Hill's. Take it before they decide we have a chance!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 18, 2012, 10:28:11 AM
We can do them. We know we can. New players New Boss New ideas New Day!!
We are 80-1 for Top 4 place with William Hill's. Take it before they decide we have a chance!

I feel much better about this season than last but top four ? suggest you spend your money on a nice breakfast !!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Fernando Partridge on August 18, 2012, 10:29:07 AM
Love the start of the new season !
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Fernando Partridge on August 18, 2012, 10:34:11 AM
We can do them. We know we can. New players New Boss New ideas New Day!!
We are 80-1 for Top 4 place with William Hill's. Take it before they decide we have a chance!

500/1 top xmas is a bet
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dr_Fegg on August 18, 2012, 11:09:36 AM
Feels like we're a new team and after enduring last season I wish we were at home first (taking up my new position in the Holte having moved from Upper North).

We'll win. Better team, better manager, better ideas.

2-1

Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on August 18, 2012, 11:11:27 AM
Come on Villa. We're not at home to Mr Cock Up.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chipsticks on August 18, 2012, 11:12:23 AM
I'm working all day and won't be home until 6. The question is, do I find out the scores when I get home? Or go into Match of the Day not knowing?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on August 18, 2012, 11:16:24 AM
Talking of watching it on foreign streams....heard a piece on R5 yesterday saying there's going to be another big crackdown on watching online via illicit streams.  So before I ask 'has anyone got a decent link' tomorrow, does anyone use Villa Streams/is it any good/how much?

Theres no problem watching streams amigo. Plenty around for all games thats the web for you. Scare mongering by the beeb so we tune in to their coverage me thinks...

For any sky and espn matches this season Mypremium.tv

Wiziwig.tv has a list of streamed sports and then you click on link.

And football streaming.info has a list of matches
there is a section for uk and irish matches

West Ham United v Aston Villa FA Barclaycard Premiership can be watched on any of these
15.00
FREEVIEWSPORTS - Browser EN
COOLSPORTZ - Browser
VIP BOX - Browser
222A - Browser
MEDIA4FOOTBALL - Browser
FIRST ROW - Browser


And finally
Veetle streams matches (and you can check out movies)

 http://veetle.com/index.php/listing/index/sports

Cheers Mr P!
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 18, 2012, 11:28:33 AM
I'm working all day and won't be home until 6. The question is, do I find out the scores when I get home? Or go into Match of the Day not knowing?


I think we should have a poll for where we will be on MOD tonight. Hopefully not last, it should be more entertaining than anything we saw last season.
I'll go for 3rd game....
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on August 18, 2012, 11:30:09 AM
West Ham's home record last season wasn't overly impressive. My heart is going for a 2-1 Villa win, Bent and Holman.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Concrete John on August 18, 2012, 11:37:47 AM
Head says 2-2, but although it may be wishful thinking, I've got a good feeling for us, both for this game and the season as a whole.

Fuck it......1-3 Villa.  Bent, Holman and N'Zogbia after coming on as a sub.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on August 18, 2012, 11:39:51 AM
I think we should have a poll for where we will be on MOD tonight. Hopefully not last, it should be more entertaining than anything we saw last season.
I'll go for 3rd game....

4th I think, Arsenal (no RVP), Liverpool (first Rodgers game) and Spurs (first AVB game) will be ahead of us.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 18, 2012, 11:53:09 AM
They usually show the newly-promoted teams fairly early on day one so I reckon we'll be on third or fourth.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2012, 11:54:37 AM
We'll be on first or second when we stick 7 past them later.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on August 18, 2012, 12:56:06 PM
Motty's the commentator and with no really outstanding fixtures today I reckon we'll be on second after Newcastle/Spurs
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: junxs on August 18, 2012, 01:00:31 PM
Has the team been announced yet? Normally gets announced around 1pm..
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Singapore Villa on August 18, 2012, 01:42:34 PM
I am itching for the team news.  Anyone got any info yet?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: OasisVillain on August 18, 2012, 01:43:26 PM
Fancy us for a 2-1 win, Bent and Ireland to get on the scoresheet (assuming Ireland plays)
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 18, 2012, 01:47:03 PM
We havent lost on an opening day away since 2003.

That was when Pig Face came in and decided to drop Mellberg to the bench at Portsmouth.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: bertlambshank on August 18, 2012, 01:47:24 PM
Is it worth starting a streaming thread so the match thread wont get mashed?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: wellmace on August 18, 2012, 01:54:35 PM
3-2 Villa. Ireland scores 2 and sets-up Benty for the 3rd.

Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: meddavillan_dd on August 18, 2012, 01:57:13 PM
Is it live on the telly anywhere?
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: oldtimernow on August 18, 2012, 01:59:04 PM
1-1 Holman and Collins
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2012, 01:59:16 PM
Is it worth starting a streaming thread so the match thread wont get mashed?


Can we stop discussing streams please guys, there are many reasons why, as you can imagine.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: bertlambshank on August 18, 2012, 02:02:38 PM
Is it worth starting a streaming thread so the match thread wont get mashed?


Can we stop discussing streams please guys, there are many reasons why, as you can imagine.
Ok.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Shrek on August 18, 2012, 02:06:02 PM
 Given, Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, Baker, Holman, Delph, El Ahmadi, N’Zogbia, Ireland,
Bent (c)
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: peter w on August 18, 2012, 02:06:51 PM
Is it live on the telly anywhere?

Supersports 5 in South Africa
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2012, 02:06:59 PM
AVFC: Given, Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, Baker, Holman, Delph, El Ahmadi, N’Zogbia, Ireland, Bent [c]. Subs: Guzan, Herd, Weimann, Bannan, Lichaj, Burke, Gardner.

Team News: Darren Bent is skipper this afternoon. Stephen Ireland plays just behind Darren Bent. Fabian Delph and Karim El Ahmadi start in midfield. Ciaran Clark and ‘Concrete’ Ron Vlaar make up the centre-half pairing, with Matt Lowton at right-back and Nathan Baker at left-back. Four players – Brett Holman, Karim El Ahmadi, Matt Lowton and Ron Vlaar – all make their debuts.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2012, 02:10:28 PM
Interesting. Shows how much we need a left back, and a centre forward realistically. Finally another wide/ central creative midfielder must be on the list too. Especially one that could change a game from the bench.
Title: Re: West Ham v Aston Villa Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2012, 02:10:50 PM
Match thread is now open for business. Come on you Villa boys!
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