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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: sonlyme on May 15, 2012, 09:31:31 AM
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Seen by those inside football as the man who laid the foundations and philosophy at Swansea - and yet again keeping minnows Wigan in the top flight with a run of wins in the last ten games that equals our entire season under Big F'eck - in those ten games taking the scalps of Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, and Man Utd - Martinez here is interviewed by BBC sport - does anyone else see a knowing smile?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18069344 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18069344)
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I'm not sure it really deserved a whole new thread did it?
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His answer is much more 'political' and much less than the outright denial I was expecting actually. That is interesting.
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His answer is much more 'political' and much less than the outright denial I was expecting actually. That is interesting.
I agree. He does seem to have a "knowing smile" but that maybe the delirium of staying up again (or his link to Liverpool)
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Reminds me of an interview with BFR just before being appointed.
Talks about his present club in the past tense, and does'nt refute, or to be fair encourage, the speculation,
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i said a few days ago i think he will be Liverpool bound if they remove Dalgish today
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Liverpool are welcome to him, I really don't get the Martinez thing.
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Liverpool are welcome to him, I really don't get the Martinez thing.
you will if he goes to Liverpool next season and puts them into the top 4
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From managing bottom 3 relegation fodder to top 4 & Champions League, do me a favour.
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From managing bottom 3 relegation fodder to top 4 & Champions League, do me a favour.
He would be a big improvement on AM. But would prefer Lambert or Rodgers.
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Liverpool are welcome to him, I really don't get the Martinez thing.
you will if he goes to Liverpool next season and puts them into the top 4
Liverpool won't be anywhere near the top four. They remind me of us and seem to be going through a similar cycle of performance. Unless they spend huge amounts next year they will be struggling to improve on this year's results - they might even struggle to tread water. The question is have they actually got any money to spend? I'm not so sure. Like us when O'Neill left, they are at a real crossroads and their next appointment will be crucial.
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Seen by those inside football as the man who laid the foundations and philosophy at Swansea - and yet again keeping minnows Wigan in the top flight with a run of wins in the last ten games that equals our entire season under Big F'eck - in those ten games taking the scalps of Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle, and Man Utd - Martinez here is interviewed by BBC sport - does anyone else see a knowing smile?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18069344 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18069344)
got robbed by Chelski as well , while we got robbed by Birmingham.
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i said a few days ago i think he will be Liverpool bound if they remove Dalgish today
I think Liverpool will go for AVB
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From managing bottom 3 relegation fodder to top 4 & Champions League, do me a favour.
He would be a big improvement on AM. But would prefer Lambert or Rodgers.
A turd on a stick would be an improvement on AM.
Martinez struggles all season then get a few results at the end. All this, he tries to play the right way rubbish - it's results that count, he's consistantly near the relegation zone. No thanks.
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From managing bottom 3 relegation fodder to top 4 & Champions League, do me a favour.
He would be a big improvement on AM. But would prefer Lambert or Rodgers.
A turd on a stick would be an improvement on AM.
Martinez struggles all season then get a few results at the end. All this, he tries to play the right way rubbish - it's results that count, he's consistantly near the relegation zone. No thanks.
If you look at Wigan and the players available he has done superb, he didn't get 30million to spend in january like Houllier and he hasn't just stayed up because of three teams being totally useless like McLeish.
He is my number one choice.
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Don't get me wrong he's done well to keep a poor team like Wigan in the Premiership & I'd much rather them than the anti football of Bolton Wanderers or Stoke.
I think there are better candidates out there.
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I can see why some are non plussed about Martinez given that they always seem to struggle, although he was only 4 points off Lambert at Norwich.
What impresses me about him is his style of play and some of the scalps they have taken, something we haven't looked like doing lately. Plus he's done it on a small budget.
I think he's Liverpool bound and we'll get Lambert but I'd be happy with either.
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From managing bottom 3 relegation fodder to top 4 & Champions League, do me a favour.
He would be a big improvement on AM. But would prefer Lambert or Rodgers.
A turd on a stick would be an improvement on AM.
Martinez struggles all season then get a few results at the end. All this, he tries to play the right way rubbish - it's results that count, he's consistantly near the relegation zone. No thanks.
Disagree. Martinez has very limited funds at Wigan but plays the game in the right manner, ie. attacking football. He's one of the brightest young managers in the game. I think he'd do well at Villa Park.
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I'd be happy enough with martinez. As has been pointed out though he keeps getting plaudits for getting wigan out of the shit but he's been there when they got into the shit in the first place as well. Yes he's on a shoestring but Lambert and Rodgers have both done more with less.
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Martinez would improve us, but not by much.
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Something tells me Roberto's grin had something to do with Kenny's gurn.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01896/kenny_dalglish__1896557c.jpg)
Rodgers please Mr Lerner. It would be nice to see some football after such a long lay off.
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Just heard D Whelan:
Wigan chairman Dave Whelan today told Albion and Villa they are not big enough for Roberto Martinez as the Baggies were linked with a move for the Spaniard.
Reports from the north west this morning claimed Albion had spoken to Whelan about Martinez as they step up their hunt for Roy Hodgson’s successor.
And the highly-rated Latics boss is among the bookmakers’ favourites to succeed Alex McLeish at Villa Park.
But Whelan, who confirmed interest from one un-named club but denied an approach from Villa, does not believe that Martinez would be tempted to the West Midlands.
“I believe we can keep him,” said Whelan. “He will go eventually to a big, big club but there are much bigger clubs than Aston Villa and West Bromwich Albion about. I am resigned to losing him but not just yet.”
Martinez was also linked today with Liverpool as rumours continued over Kenny Dalglish’s Anfield future.
Read more: http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2012/05/16/whelan-delivers-snub-to-baggies/#ixzz1v46vbRkF
On reading this, I get a totally ridiculous reaction to the ramblings of this idiot. Half of me wants the Villa to recruit RM and shout 'so there!' - the other half says, leave it, he ain't worth it...
Off to watch Apprentice!
There are other things in life to laugh at. British wine...now there's a promising beginning.
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Rodgers please Mr Lerner. It would be nice to see some football after such a long lay off.
I'd say we have pretty much zero chance of getting Rodgers. Considering the hype he and his team have generated this year there must be half the Europe after him this summer.
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I take back what I said about DW the other day after being almost complimentary to Villa. Heard his comments on Talkshite this morning and said Liverpool would be a big enough club for Martinez but not Villa or Baggies...what a condescending twat he really is!
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I want a manager who'll slap down any of these jumped up nobodys who think it's ok to have a dig at my club.
Physically and verbally.
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“I believe we can keep him,” said Whelan. “He will go eventually to a big, big club but there are much bigger clubs than Aston Villa and West Bromwich Albion about. I am resigned to losing him but not just yet.”
thanks Dave there maybe bigger clubs than the Villa but there are certainly better managers for us than your Bobby ,
stick to egg chasing you red nosed ....... ;)
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There may be bigger clubs than Villa, but not many. Martinez would be making a big step up to join Villa, from Wigan who are essentially pointless.
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Whelan really is a twunt of the highest order. One of the most unpleasant people I've ever had the misfortune to meet.
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Whelan really is a small time twunt. Stick him in the same file as Holloway.
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Ha, I hadn't seen Risso's post when I called Whelan a twunt. Great minds.
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“I believe we can keep him,” said Whelan. “He will go eventually to a big, big club but there are much bigger clubs than Aston Villa and West Bromwich Albion about. I am resigned to losing him but not just yet.”
thanks Dave there maybe bigger clubs than the Villa but there are certainly better managers for us than your Bobby ,
stick to egg chasing you red nosed ....... ;)
Twunt is the word i think you are looking for mate.
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Whelan really is a small time twunt. Stick him in the same file as Holloway.
And that spiteful, horse abusing, fat c**t Mick Quinn.
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Forget Wheelan, doesn't matter if he's a twat, Its what we think of Martinez. Just because Wheelan's an idiot doesn't mean that Martinez is. Our previous manager was a twat, don't mean that Gary Gardner is. Martinez is a good manager, he's young and seems to have learned his trade. Whether it was Lambert or Martinez who got Swansea up, or Bruce or Martinez who bought the best players. To my mind he has only been a manager for about 5 years so he is only just finishing his apprentiship. I bet there aren't many managers who are any good in their first 5 years.
Now his style of play is attractive, something we could do with. And people go on about Wigan always being in a dog fight and playing crap a the start of every season. Well I think that most seasons Wigan have to sell their best players, so he almost starting from scratch, and by the end of each season they are playing better. We sold our best players and ended up crap at the end of the season.
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There may be bigger clubs than Villa, but not many. Martinez would be making a big step up to join Villa, from Wigan who are essentially pointless.
The North West and London don't really understand Midlands football and they certainly don't rate it in my view. If Whelan sees fit to lump Villa and WBA as similar clubs not worthy of Martinez it says an awful lot about him and his parochial take on football.
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Just bumping this up. I'd be gutted if we totally ruled out Martinez. What does he offer us? He is now battle hardened to Premier League football, his teams play great football and he has contacts for up and coming players all over the place. Have a read of this (which I've taken from Vital Villa); a nice bit of background on Martinez written by a Wigan fan:
russialatic - 21/5/2012 13:15
Well, its funny hearing so much about Wigan on a Villa forum.
I must say some of the posts are quite knowledgeable put others are....no comment.
A few bits of context to add:
Yes, we finished higher with Bruce in his final season, but in that team 4 players were crucial: Valencia, Palacios, Cattermole and Heskey - all were sold either in January or August. In the second half of that Bruce season we dropped like a lead balloon. Therefore Martinez came in with major rebuilding to do and without much money to spend. To say he's been backed financially is plain wrong. He's had limited funds from players that we've sold but has needed to massively cut the wage bill, which is what he's done.
It's taken time and if he'd have been at any other club he wouldnt have got that time. But the past 3 months of the season were absolutely brilliant. Never has a Wigan side played like that. It wasnt a lucky late escape as could be argued in previous seasons. It was Wigan playing and battering virtually everyone we played. We should have beaten Chelsea and others along the way too.
Finally, this stuff about Whelan and Martinez falling out is absolute rubbish. Whelan was upset after 1 display against Swansea when we simply didnt turn up. He went public. He then spoke to Martinez and that was it. Nothing more. And the two have a close relationship. As many of you will know, Whelan goes public with most things so to have 1 public criticism of a manager from Whelan in a season is a huge compliment....
Hope he stays. But I can see the job at Villa is more attractive than this time last year. McCleish was so unpopular that your expectations are much lower than they were and your tolerance levels are much higher, so I think you'd give Martinez much more time than you would have done before.
I really do think Martinez ticks all the boxes.
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I like Martinez too but unfortunately too many hypocrite Villa fans don't want him.
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I like Martinez too but unfortunately too many hypocrite Villa fans don't want him.
By hypocrite Villa fans do you mean ones that don't agree with you?
Martinez would be okay, and that's it, okay. he's keep us up, probably mid-table, but of all the candidates he's the least inspiring to me. I wouldn't be up in arms if we employed him but I don't feel that frisson of excitement when his name is mentioned.
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I like Martinez too but unfortunately too many hypocrite Villa fans don't want him.
By hypocrite Villa fans do you mean ones that don't agree with you?
Martinez would be okay, and that's it, okay. he's keep us up, probably mid-table, but of all the candidates he's the least inspiring to me. I wouldn't be up in arms if we employed him but I don't feel that frisson of excitement when his name is mentioned.
No the ones with the elitist attitude of "he's not good enough" "he's too inexperienced" "the job is too big for him" "he would be too much of a risk" yet have jumped on the Solskjaer bandwagon.
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I like Martinez too but unfortunately too many hypocrite Villa fans don't want him.
By hypocrite Villa fans do you mean ones that don't agree with you?
Martinez would be okay, and that's it, okay. he's keep us up, probably mid-table, but of all the candidates he's the least inspiring to me. I wouldn't be up in arms if we employed him but I don't feel that frisson of excitement when his name is mentioned.
No the ones with the elitist attitude of "he's not good enough" "he's too inexperienced" "the job is too big for him" "he would be too much of a risk" yet have jumped on the Solskjær bandwagon.
He told us to fuck off and now I am telling him to fuck off.
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I like Martinez but I'd prefer Solskjaer.
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I like Martinez too but unfortunately too many hypocrite Villa fans don't want him.
I like to think that if Martinez did come to Villa people would get behind him. And like any other manager starting, he would have the advantage of not being Mcleish. I was fine with him taking over last year.
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Martinez might find himself shut out of a very decent job at the end of all of this. He can then go back to having 73 fans watch his attractive brand of football, when it should be a lot more. He should pop into that old prick's office and thank him for continuously making such a wanker out of himself and hurting the bloke he claims to be looking out for. Twat.
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Martinez would be my second choice now that Rodgers is out and OGS is my first. There is a good manager in there, but his choice of adviser could be better. He should have jumped at it last summer.
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I like Martinez too but unfortunately too many hypocrite Villa fans don't want him.
By hypocrite Villa fans do you mean ones that don't agree with you?
Martinez would be okay, and that's it, okay. he's keep us up, probably mid-table, but of all the candidates he's the least inspiring to me. I wouldn't be up in arms if we employed him but I don't feel that frisson of excitement when his name is mentioned.
No the ones with the elitist attitude of "he's not good enough" "he's too inexperienced" "the job is too big for him" "he would be too much of a risk" yet have jumped on the Solskjær bandwagon.
Then they aren't hypocritical are they, they just have a different opinion of the merits of the two managers than you.
The way I see it, we know all about Martinez and the way his teams only seem to be able to play anywhere near half-decent for about the last month of the season, we know his style and so can make a fairly informed decision on him.
Solskjær on the other hand is a unknown quantity but has been schooled by the best and has made an exciting start to his managerial career albeit in an inferior league. there's a hint of something different about him. It may not work out, but it just might, and we just might be getting the next Fergie or Pep right at the start of his career.
That for me is the risk and the anticipation and why I'm hoping Ole gets the job.
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I like Martinez too but unfortunately too many hypocrite Villa fans don't want him.
I like him a lot, he could be a great manager and I'm sure he could do a good job for us with cracking football. But I must be a real hypocrite because I really wanted the Anti-Christ of football (AM) to succeed for us.
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Liverpool are welcome to him, I really don't get the Martinez thing.
Spot on
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I like Martinez too but unfortunately too many hypocrite Villa fans don't want him.
By hypocrite Villa fans do you mean ones that don't agree with you?
Martinez would be okay, and that's it, okay. he's keep us up, probably mid-table, but of all the candidates he's the least inspiring to me. I wouldn't be up in arms if we employed him but I don't feel that frisson of excitement when his name is mentioned.
No the ones with the elitist attitude of "he's not good enough" "he's too inexperienced" "the job is too big for him" "he would be too much of a risk" yet have jumped on the Solskjær bandwagon.
Yes, the ones who don't agree with you.
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He has an eye for a bargain and isn't afraid of sticking to his guns with regards to playing football. I reckon he could be a quality Manager for Villa if given a bit of money to spend. Lambert, OSG or Martinez and I'm happy.
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One thing you'd get with Martinez, an exciting end to the season for all the wrong reasons. I'm not a fan
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It's worth having a look at RAWK for some of their comments on Martinez. My favourite exchange:
`What the hell has Martinez ever achieved?'
`Well, she won Wimbledon in 1994 for a start. Have some respect'
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I like Martinez too but unfortunately too many hypocrite Villa fans don't want him.
I don't want him, not because I'm a hypocrite, but because his teams are fucking shit for 7 months out of every season.
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I like Martinez too but unfortunately too many hypocrite Villa fans don't want him.
By hypocrite Villa fans do you mean ones that don't agree with you?
Martinez would be okay, and that's it, okay. he's keep us up, probably mid-table, but of all the candidates he's the least inspiring to me. I wouldn't be up in arms if we employed him but I don't feel that frisson of excitement when his name is mentioned.
No the ones with the elitist attitude of "he's not good enough" "he's too inexperienced" "the job is too big for him" "he would be too much of a risk" yet have jumped on the Solskjær bandwagon.
He told us to fuck off and now I am telling him to fuck off.
And this. Fucking bang on. You had your chance, Roberto, now fuck off.
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He didn't really though. He had a chance to interview for the job last year but felt loyal to Wigan. Admirable in a way. His stock is higher this summer hence the Liverpool interview. He'll be a thorough, respectful type of manager wherever he goes. I'm just not sure if he'd be a good fit for us.
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It's worth having a look at RAWK for some of their comments on Martinez. My favourite exchange:
`What the hell has Martinez ever achieved?'
`Well, she won Wimbledon in 1994 for a start. Have some respect'
You've gotta be pretty good for Saint Etienne to name a song after you. Whatever became of Conchita?
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Liverpool are welcome to him, I really don't get the Martinez thing.
Amen to that.
Keeping Wigan up by the skin of their teeth every year is no endorsement.
I remember them away in Houlliers season, we beat them and they were comfortably one of the worst teams i've ever seen.
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I'm also a bit suspicious that he's gotten too used to be fighting against relegation, and wouldn't bring the winning-mentality to our club and players.
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I'm also a bit suspicious that he's gotten too used to be fighting against relegation, and wouldn't bring the winning-mentality to our club and players.
To be fair if they carry on the winning mentality they had since January, they'll be top four next season!
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Can't for the life of me see why 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are looking at him - this must be a smokescreen.
I'd piss myself if they appointed Martinez but I just cannot see it.
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I actually think he's potentially a good manager and would do a good job at most clubs. However Liverpool fans will think they're far too big for him. I don't want him either, because I want Ole in charge of our club.
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I think Liverpool are in for a big shock if they think he'll do any better than the craggy old racist.
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I like Martinez too but unfortunately too many hypocrite Villa fans don't want him.
By hypocrite Villa fans do you mean ones that don't agree with you?
Martinez would be okay, and that's it, okay. he's keep us up, probably mid-table, but of all the candidates he's the least inspiring to me. I wouldn't be up in arms if we employed him but I don't feel that frisson of excitement when his name is mentioned.
No the ones with the elitist attitude of "he's not good enough" "he's too inexperienced" "the job is too big for him" "he would be too much of a risk" yet have jumped on the Solskjær bandwagon.
Yes, the ones who don't agree with you.
No, the ones being hypocrites aka Stu.
Claim Martinez is no good and too inexperienced yet want a manager even more inexperienced and could be arguably just as if not more risky... However the likes of Stu (lol) don't mind seeing the bigger picture when it comes to Solskjaer potentially managing us but refuse to see the bigger picture when it comes to Martinez potentially managing us.
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Claim Martinez is no good and too inexperienced yet want a manager even more inexperienced and could be arguably just as if not more risky... However the likes of Stu (lol) don't mind seeing the bigger picture when it comes to Solskjær potentially managing us but refuse to see the bigger picture when it comes to Martinez potentially managing us.
I cant really see how the poster you mention is hypocritical, at least not on this thread
He's said he doesn't want RM because for long spells of the year, his team are awful - which is pretty hard to deny.
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No, the ones being hypocrites aka Stu.
Thanks for singling me out.
Claim Martinez is no good and too inexperienced yet want a manager even more inexperienced and could be arguably just as if not more risky
The fact is that I've seen Martinez teams being humped up hill and down dale for the last two seasons, only to get it together at the end of the year. It's like watching Coventry City in the '90's all over again. He's done nothing to impress me at all.
However the likes of Stu (lol) don't mind seeing the bigger picture when it comes to Solskjær potentially managing us but refuse to see the bigger picture when it comes to Martinez potentially managing us.
Once again, thanks for singling me out. And again the fact is that I know what we'd be getting from Martinez - our team would have a soft underbelly, and be easy pickings for teams that are determined and strong. In fact, they wouldn't even have to be that, Martinez teams don't generally score that much and their defence is shite - worse than ours in the season just gone.
Solskjaer is a gamble, admittedly, but I've also backed Lambert strongly on this board. I'm at a place where its one of those two I'd prefer, but I'll admit that I'm excited about having a go with an unknown quantity.
I've never been a fan of Martinez, and I don't get the hype surrounding him either. Now I've explained myself, perhaps you'd like to explain why you think Martinez would be so good for us? Because all I see is someone that specialises in Alamo-type escapes at the end of every season, after spending the preceding 7 months getting smashed.
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i hope Martinez doesnt go to Liverpool, because i dont like Liverpool and i think he would be a huge success there.
i would much rather they go for one of the tried and tested big names that will spend loads more dough not build anything long term and then leave in 2 years time with a tidy pay off.
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I actually think he's potentially a good manager and would do a good job at most clubs. However Liverpool fans will think they're far too big for him. I don't want him either, because I want Ole in charge of our club.
This. Racist FC is a poisoned chalice due to their fans unrealistic expectations. Any manager would be a mug to take that job which is why the likes of Rodgers, Klopp and de Boer have quite sensibly knocked them back. I like RM and hope for his sake he doesn't end up going there, as it won't end well for him there IMO.