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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on May 12, 2012, 05:43:01 PM
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Available Sunday evening.
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Thank fuck this season is over. We're fortunate to have stayed up.
Fuck off McLeish.
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His position must surely be untenable now.
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words fail me.
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Begging position. Please Jebus. Fire him in the morning
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thank fook for that . McLeish straight down the tunnel , no thanking the fans , Hes Sacked!!!
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See McCleish is a great manager, we just claimed a place back without being on the pitch.
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man city win it
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City, 2 goals in 2 mins to claim the title.
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City win fucking fuck me sideways!
**oops wrong thread**
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Diabolical, shocking and epitomy of the season.
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I read an article on Guardiola's season and how he tried to out-Barcelona himself this year, his team pressing higher and higher up the pitch with more and more possession almost as if he knew the end was nigh and that he wanted to be remembered as managing the most beautiful team in the world and even though his reign was about to end he stuck to his principles.
When I saw that teamsheet I thought the same about Eck. He's stuck to his principles to the end like the principled bag of shite he has shown himself to be. Totally shocking, thank fuck the season is over. Never been so pissed off since I've followed Villa.
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Great result for us.
If you need to keep a defeat down to single figures, McLeish is certainly your man.
Elsewhere, two injury time goals deny ManU the title. Up yours Feruson.
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Mcleish out!!! Sack Him Now or We Go Down Next Year!!!
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I know it's traditional to go in fancy dress, but that bloke who went as a Premier League manager was bloody awful.
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We have become a joke and are so so lucky to survive.
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McLeish out!!!!!!!!
Did I hear the villa fans chant 'One Paul Lambert' at the end?
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The maniac tried to destroy us. Let us hope and pray his P45 is with a courier driving a Ferrari.
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I am catching a flight to Tokyo by the time I get there I hope I hear the words "Aston Villa have started the search to find a replacement for Alex McLeish who resigned last night"
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If he's still at B6 next season, the ticket sales will hit a new low to go with a lowest number of home wins. If that doesn't attract the attention of Lerner & Co. nothing will.
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Im hoping hes gone TONIGHT!!!!!!!
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Just think what Alex could do with Randy's backing!
Finish with less points than he managed at B-lose? Impressive.
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What's the problem, mission accomplished 38 points 38 games... draw every game. Well done Alex. Have another go next year.
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What a fucking joke, we got absolutely battered and are pathetic.
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His position must surely be untenable now.
It's been untenable since Bolton. What we've been watching it everybody going through the motions until it becomes official now the season is over.
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Sure he's a gonna. Now do I trust Lerner to make a good appointment and back his man? McLeish is only part of the problem.
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Now it's all over, and we've been behind the players through this godawful season
Fucking fuck off you fucking useless fuckwit!
And breathe..
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Sack the clown now
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What a terrible season, thank god it's over. Only silver lining is it's been so bad that there is no way McLeish will get another season, he'll be gone by Wednesday I reckon.
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Just think we could be Man Utd fans! How shit would that be!
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Nothing on the OS yet.Am I getting silly?
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I'm no longer worried, I'm certain he's gone.
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After a season of vomit-inducing dross I do believe I'm through the worst and hopefully onto a few weeks of the dry heaves.
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Just think we could be Man Utd fans! How shit would that be!
I live with one. He's gutted. Try being in our shoes mate.
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If we had one more game in the season we'd be gone.
Complete and utter shite, diabolical, shambolic, disgraceful, inept, pathetic, unprofessional, gutless, cowardice shit.
Fuck off out of my club McLeish and take Peter Grant and Paul Faulkner with you.
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Where's the silent majority?! I'd love a few to appear on here today.
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What did we expect ? We are not the 1982 team you know ...
McLeish OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Complete and utter shite, diabolical, shambolic, disgraceful, inept, pathetic, unprofessional, gutless, cowardice shit.
As the kids would say, 'this'.
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Has he resigned yet?
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DCF can stop the wind up now.
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Has he resigned yet?
If there's one thing you should realise looking at McLeish's last 3-4 seasons, it's that he's not a man who settles for a single failure. He'll crack on and do the job of taking us down properly next season, given the chance.
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Taxi for McLeish please...
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Two sides that scrapped up this time last year have gone. We need to heed the warning, or rather, the owner does.
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He didn't do that badly. We were effectively safe with one game to spare. Last season, we weren't really safe much earlier. Houllier had Downing and Young. McLeish didn't. I don't want him to be manager of Aston Villa, but he didn't do much worse than Houllier!
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I couldn't be arsed watching the game it was obvious what was going to happen today. I am so glad that this arsehole of a season is over at least i'll never have to see that useless twat Heskey in a Villa shirt again and hopefully that moron is sacked asap. I am so looking forward to no bloody football for the next three months this season has done my head in.
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I'd settle for a repeat for those old enough to remember the weasel David Mellor losing his seat in Putney in 1997 and Sir James Goldsmith leading the chorus of
'OUT! OUT! OUT! OUT!'
just after the result was announced
Let's face facts there would be a long queue to lead the chorus
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He didn't do that badly. We were effectively safe with one game to spare. Last season, we weren't really safe much earlier. Houllier had Downing and Young. McLeish didn't. I don't want him to be manager of Aston Villa, but he didn't do much worse than Houllier!
You`re joking...right?
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He didn't do that badly. We were effectively safe with one game to spare. Last season, we weren't really safe much earlier. Houllier had Downing and Young. McLeish didn't. I don't want him to be manager of Aston Villa, but he didn't do much worse than Houllier!
You`re joking...right?
What in the name of bloody fuck are you talking about Villa for Life? You seriously think 2 wins in 18 games isn't bad?
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it's bad, yes. Houllier didn't do much better with Young and Downing, that's all I'm trying to say.
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thank god the season is over, goodbye Mcleish
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it's bad, yes. Houllier didn't do much better with Young and Downing, that's all I'm trying to say.
9th... 16th.
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9th, 16th, only because of what the two Macs did before and after him!!!
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He didn't do that badly. We were effectively safe with one game to spare. Last season, we weren't really safe much earlier. Houllier had Downing and Young. McLeish didn't. I don't want him to be manager of Aston Villa, but he didn't do much worse than Houllier!
thats made me feel better about him .
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Good to know Pablo. We were effectively a team just two games away from the drop last season, so to take the two best players away from that team was always going to be tough.
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He's getting sacked in the morning (if not before), sacked in the morning (if not before)...
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Good to know Pablo. We were effectively a team just two games away from the drop last season, so to take the two best players away from that team was always going to be tough.
And add Hutton, CNZ and not know what to do with him. A negative and cowardly approach to the game, a constant refusal to try and win games, a doe-eyed affection for the "elite", a pig headed refusal to accept the inevitable, a disgraceful habit of blaming everybody else and denial of his own misgivings. And terrible results.
Other than that, yeah, he's been good.
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an unmitigated disaster.........end
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Good to know Pablo. We were effectively a team just two games away from the drop last season, so to take the two best players away from that team was always going to be tough.
Yeah and it's not as if McLeish was given the best part of £20m to replace them was it?
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Good to know Pablo. We were effectively a team just two games away from the drop last season, so to take the two best players away from that team was always going to be tough.
And of course Wigan , Swansea , Norwich and West Brom have got much better squads , thats why they finished above us .
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'But for three minutes last season I'd be the greatest manager in Birmingham City's history'. Yes Alex, that's because they've always been fucking shit.
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Gotta be sacked surely... come on i've got £20 at 5/1 from a while back! Come on Randy, make my day! If it happens I might even put it toward a new season ticket! You know it makes sense.... time to dispatch him from whence he came!
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Well, the game was a microcosm of our season: shite! The set-up lacked guts, the players were lethargic, the defending comical at times. The substitutions were baffling (taking off Herd; not bringing on Carruthers; leaving Emule on) and the lack of vibrancy from McL and his sidekick indicates that he has got the bullet.
His record is simply awful: at the risk of repeating myself, here are the stark facts:
- Win ratio of 18.5% for the EPL season.
- Highest number of draws in the division: 33% more than the next team (Sunderland).
- Lowest number of goals-scored in the bottom 6 clubs (and only surpassed by Stoke in the whole division).
- Worst record in the league for losing from winning positions – 22 points lost.
- Conceded more from set pieces than any other team.
- The only EPL team not to score from a corner all season.
- Villa's worst-ever league home record.
- VP crowds down by 9% this season.
Please share these facts with everyone as often as you can: the wider football world needs to know how bad things have been!
Other than that, thank God it's all over.
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Snippets from his WM interview:
"but for 3 minutes I would've been Small Heaths best ever manager"
"I can turn things (and the fans) around with better quality"
"I can get players to play the Alex McCleish way"
Away you go everyone.
And I'm not making the last one up
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Snippets from his WM interview:
"but for 3 minutes I would've been Small Heaths best ever manager"
"I can turn things (and the fans) around with better quality"
"I can get players to play the Alex McCleish way"
Away you go everyone.
And I'm not making the last one up
Fuck off Mcleish.
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Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish: "It was an absolutely shocking, woeful display. Maybe some of the boys were thinking about their holidays already.
"That team needs a change and there will be change. That wasn't an Alex McLeish team today. We need to bring more quality into the squad.
"I take (the fans' booing) on my shoulders for the sake of the players, I agree with the fans' frustration about our display.
"I'm expecting the board to back me. I have no reason to think I won't be (Villa manager next season). We've got through a really tough season. I've won lots of trophies as a player and manager and I haven't turned into a bad manager overnight."
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He didn't do that badly. We were effectively safe with one game to spare. Last season, we weren't really safe much earlier. Houllier had Downing and Young. McLeish didn't. I don't want him to be manager of Aston Villa, but he didn't do much worse than Houllier!
thats made me feel better about him .
"He didn't do much worse than Houllier"
That's really the best thing you can say about him isn't it?
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Well, the game was a microcosm of our season: shite! The set-up lacked guts, the players were lethargic, the defending comical at times. The substitutions were baffling and the dugout antics pathetic.
His record is simply awful: at the risk of repeating myself, here are the stark facts:
- Highest number of draws in the division: 33% more than the next team (Sunderland).
- Lowest number of goals-scored in the bottom 6 clubs (and only surpassed by Stoke in the whole division).
- Worst record in the league for losing from winning positions – 22 points lost.
- Conceded more from set pieces than any other team.
- The only EPL team not to score from a corner all season.
- Villa's worst-ever league home record.
- VP crowds down by 9% this season.
Please share these facts with everyone as often as you can: the wider football world needs to know how bad things have been!
Other than that, thank God it's all over.
What was his win percent . 7 wins in 38 games
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O'Leary wasn't as deluded.
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"I can get players to play the Alex McCleish way"
The scareist thought possible in football terms.
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hopefully our escape has scared the shit out of Randy!
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Well, the game was a microcosm of our season: shite! The set-up lacked guts, the players were lethargic, the defending comical at times. The substitutions were baffling and the dugout antics pathetic.
His record is simply awful: at the risk of repeating myself, here are the stark facts:
- Highest number of draws in the division: 33% more than the next team (Sunderland).
- Lowest number of goals-scored in the bottom 6 clubs (and only surpassed by Stoke in the whole division).
- Worst record in the league for losing from winning positions – 22 points lost.
- Conceded more from set pieces than any other team.
- The only EPL team not to score from a corner all season.
- Villa's worst-ever league home record.
- VP crowds down by 9% this season.
Please share these facts with everyone as often as you can: the wider football world needs to know how bad things have been!
Other than that, thank God it's all over.
What was his win percent . 7 wins in 38 games
good call - 18.5%
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This has been the worst season ever. Thank God there are three clubs who are even worse than us, no thanks to this ****** of a Manager. His position is indefensible. If Randy and Fuckner keep him, then they clearly do not care enough about US, the fans.
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Good to know Pablo. We were effectively a team just two games away from the drop last season, so to take the two best players away from that team was always going to be tough.
Utter tripe.
McLeish has officially the joint worst win record for a manager in the history of the club. The stats speak for themselves
-worst home record ever
-the least points in the 20years since the game sold its soul
-less that a goal a game despite having one of the most potent strikers in the country for well over half of the season
-No goals from set pieces and conceded more from set pieces than any other side
Aside form the stats the constant blaming of the kids for his failings has driven me mad, as has the fawning over numerous teams during the season as if we should have been prepared for a kicking and not expected anything else, silly naive fans.
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I can't believe he believes the bollocks he comes out with. You should do the honourable thing but of course you won't. Spineless like your teams.
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"I'm expecting the board to back me. I have no reason to think I won't be (Villa manager next season). We've got through a really tough season. I've won lots of trophies as a player and manager and I haven't turned into a bad manager overnight."
If this happens then the board deserve everything they get. Which will be crowds around 24000 and relegation.
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and I haven't turned into a bad manager overnight."
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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It's never his fault is it? "But for three minutes", what about the other 37 games and 87 minutes you negative twonk?
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and I haven't turned into a bad manager overnight."
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
no you've always been a fuckin bad manager
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According to the headline on the O/S, we only lost 1-0.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2771085,00.html
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It's never his fault is it? "But for three minutes", what about the 37 games and 87 minutes you negative twonk?
Do you think he'll go?
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The best counter I can think of to his comments today is 'but for minute against fulham I'd be the worst manager in the history of aston villa'.
Good that he's blamed the players again, and, in the same interview, suggested that he's taking the boos for them. Not quite sure how that works.
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For gods sake give the bloke some credit, he's right, he hasn't turned into a bad manager overnight. He's been shit for years.
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It's never his fault is it? "But for three minutes", what about the 37 games and 87 minutes you negative twonk?
Do you think he'll go?
I hope so, and I think so but i'd only go 65/35 that he goes. I just have a horrible uneasy feeling. Never have I wanted it to be an unfounded feeling as I do right now.
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According to the headline on the O/S, we only lost 1-0.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2771085,00.html
Even they couldn't be bothered to watch the entire thing.
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I don't understand blaming the players, as he makes out they've been poor for a while. OK, they have, but then why did he play them in a game that didn't really matter and not try the kids?
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hopefully our escape has scared the shit out of Randy!
I wouldn't bet on it.....ok McLeish is a poor manager, but who's decision was it to appoint him against the majority of fans wishes? - Lerner is useless and needs to sell up fast - he's been out of his depth since MON departed. He's not a self-made millionaire having aquired it from his father. He's just a mediocre businessman who's wrong for Villa. How many games has he been arsed to watch this season? Him and Faulkner are the core of our woes!
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some more - and updated - stats / facts:
- Win ratio of 18.5% for the EPL season.
- Worst points haul since 1986-7.
- Highest number of draws in the division: 33% more than the next team (Sunderland).
- Highest number of draws in a season since 1975-6.
- Lowest number of goals-scored in the bottom 6 clubs (and only surpassed by Stoke in the whole division).
- Lowest number of goals scored in a season since 1969-70.
- Worst record in the league for losing from winning positions – 22 points lost.
- Conceded more from set pieces than any other team.
- The only EPL team not to score from a corner all season.
- Villa's worst-ever league home record.
- VP crowds down by 9% this season.
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"That wasn't an Alex McLeish team today."
Could somebody give me an example of an Alex Mcleish team?
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From the OS
Grant Holt and Simeon Jackson scored the goals which ensured victory for the home side on a sunny afternoon at Carrow Road.
The only crumb of comfort for the travelling troops - bedecked in fancy dress - was that were was no mega goal difference swing at the foot of the Barclays Premier League table, ensuring Villa stay a top-flight titan for another season, Bolton slipping through the relegation trapdoor.
It's worth pointing out that there's certainly no shame for Villa in losing to Paul Lambert's team, who have proved to be a slick and stylish side in their first season in the Barclays Premier League.
Norwich played like a team who wanted the season to run and run while Villa looked like a side who were desperate for it to end.
Villa really didn't get going in the first half, with Norwich taking control with their attractive brand of progressive football.
Norwich, on the crest of a wave after their impressive campaign, played with confidence and class.
Ironically, Villa did have the first chance of the opening 45 minutes, Stephen Ireland blasting wide from 25 yards out after meeting a corner clearance.
But after that, the Canaries soared and took the lead on nine minutes.
Grant Holt, who finds himself mentioned alongside Wayne Rooney, Darren Bent and Peter Crouch in contention for the Euro 2012 squad, did his chances no harm by bundling home Simon Lappin's free-kick from the left-hand side.
While Villa couldn't get to grips with things in the outfield, Shay Given was showing his shot-stopping skills in goal, however.
Given stretched to his right to keep out a 20-yard Johnny Howson blaster and then produced an even better stop to keep out a free-kick from Lappin.
That offered Villa some brief respite, but not for long.
Jackson doubled the lead on 22 minutes, finishing comfortably from close-range after an error from Carlos Cuellar.
The Spaniard misplaced a header, with the ball falling perfectly for the Norwich striker to stroke home.
Villa did go close late in the half, Eric Lichaj abandoning his defensive duties for a moment and going on a mazy run before firing goalwards.
John Ruddy managed to dive to his right to tip away the on-target effort.
Villa's forward momentum increased after the break, Alex McLeish's men coming out of the blocks fast.
Ruddy, in fine form in the Norwich goal, tipped away efforts from Ireland and Heskey in consecutive minutes in the opening exchanges of the second period.
In fact, both goalkeepers proved to be the main men after the break, with Given showing his undoubted class too.
Wes Hoolahan, Bennett and Jackson were all denied by brilliant stops from the Republic of Ireland ace as the final half of the season continued apace.
There were moments for Villa at the death, Ireland heading over from Gary Gardner's pinpoint cross and Barry Bannan blasting over from 30 yards out.
But the visitors couldn't bag that vital goal which would have made the nerve-ends tingle for the home side in the closing moments.
Despite the loss, there was a lovely moment after the final whistle, with Cuellar donning a wig, his national flag and throwing home shirts into the away end for his adoring masses.
Norwich: Ruddy, Martin, Naughton, Bennett, Johnson, Hoolahan, Bennett, Lappin, Howson (Crofts), Holt (Morison), Jackson (Wilbraham). Subs: Steer, Drury, Surman, Fox.
Villa: Given, Cuellar (Gardner), Collins, Dunne, Lichaj, Herd (Bannan), Clark, Warnock (Baker), Ireland, Heskey, Agbonlahor. Subs: Guzan, Carruthers, N'Zogbia, Delfouneso.
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"That wasn't an Alex McLeish team today."
Could somebody give me an example of an Alex Mcleish team?
The one that played today fits the bill perfectly if reports are anything to go by.
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We drew the same amount in 2006/07.
That makes it alright then ;)
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He got Blues to play the "Alec Mcleish way", I think he successfully got us playing that way too. We were lucky to stay up, next time, if he stays, we won't be so lucky. Do you hear me Randolf ?
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"That wasn't an Alex McLeish team today."
Could somebody give me an example of an Alex Mcleish team?
Have you ever sneezed all of a sudden and its gone in your mouth? then you have to hold it in your mouth for the time it takes you to run from the front room to the toilet to spit it out, well that few seconds that the snot is in your mouth is the nearest thing I can think of to compare to an Alex McLeish team.
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some more - and updated - stats / facts:
- Win ratio of 18.5% for the EPL season.
- Worst points haul since 1986-7.
- Highest number of draws in the division: 33% more than the next team (Sunderland).
- Highest number of draws in a season since 1975-6.
- Lowest number of goals-scored in the bottom 6 clubs (and only surpassed by Stoke in the whole division).
- Lowest number of goals scored in a season since 1969-70.
- Worst record in the league for losing from winning positions – 22 points lost.
- Conceded more from set pieces than any other team.
- The only EPL team not to score from a corner all season.
- Villa's worst-ever league home record.
- VP crowds down by 9% this season.
Yes, but Bent got injured you know.
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This might be a promising sign:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2770925,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2770925,00.html)
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This might be a promising signThis might be a promising sign:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2770925,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2770925,00.html)
He's gone.
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This might be a promising sign:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2770925,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2770925,00.html)
Here is hoping. I just hope the no knowledge of football Chief Exec and Owner don't fupp up for a 3rd time in recruiting a manager.
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Another promising sign
White smoke coming from McMinge's office as they burn his personalised stationery.
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This might be a promising signThis might be a promising sign:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2770925,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2770925,00.html)
He's gone.
And take PF with you you pair of bullshitting ******.
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How bad does someone have to be to play such a team devoid of any attacking threat? Warnock, Herd and Clark in midfield. Cueller as fullback. Lichaj playing on the left, which he doesn't look right at (he's not good enough any how). Heskey up front is pretty much a defensive choice too.
Worse still, 81 minutes, we have Carruthers and N'Zogbia on the bench who could come on to provide width. What does he do? Bring on Baker!! That's one of the most moronic decisions in the history of football. The games pretty much lost. Why make a defensive change to sure things up???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
The blokes a waste of fucking oxygen. I wouldn't wish him on the shittest pub team on earth, because he'd make them even worse.
To finish a season on 38 points at this club is fucking atrocious. It should be a foregone conclusion that we fuck him off.
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Do we have any mascochists that want to see 'The Alex McLeish Way' perfected?
I'd rather guzzle urine.
What an utter ******.
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From the OS
Grant Holt and Simeon Jackson scored the goals which ensured victory for the home side on a sunny afternoon at Carrow Road.
The only crumb of comfort for the travelling troops - bedecked in fancy dress - was that were was no mega goal difference swing at the foot of the Barclays Premier League table, ensuring Villa stay a top-flight titan for another season, Bolton slipping through the relegation trapdoor.
It's worth pointing out that there's certainly no shame for Villa in losing to Paul Lambert's team, who have proved to be a slick and stylish side in their first season in the Barclays Premier League.
Norwich played like a team who wanted the season to run and run while Villa looked like a side who were desperate for it to end.
Villa really didn't get going in the first half, with Norwich taking control with their attractive brand of progressive football.
Norwich, on the crest of a wave after their impressive campaign, played with confidence and class.
Ironically, Villa did have the first chance of the opening 45 minutes, Stephen Ireland blasting wide from 25 yards out after meeting a corner clearance.
But after that, the Canaries soared and took the lead on nine minutes.
Grant Holt, who finds himself mentioned alongside Wayne Rooney, Darren Bent and Peter Crouch in contention for the Euro 2012 squad, did his chances no harm by bundling home Simon Lappin's free-kick from the left-hand side.
While Villa couldn't get to grips with things in the outfield, Shay Given was showing his shot-stopping skills in goal, however.
Given stretched to his right to keep out a 20-yard Johnny Howson blaster and then produced an even better stop to keep out a free-kick from Lappin.
That offered Villa some brief respite, but not for long.
Jackson doubled the lead on 22 minutes, finishing comfortably from close-range after an error from Carlos Cuellar.
The Spaniard misplaced a header, with the ball falling perfectly for the Norwich striker to stroke home.
Villa did go close late in the half, Eric Lichaj abandoning his defensive duties for a moment and going on a mazy run before firing goalwards.
John Ruddy managed to dive to his right to tip away the on-target effort.
Villa's forward momentum increased after the break, Alex McLeish's men coming out of the blocks fast.
Ruddy, in fine form in the Norwich goal, tipped away efforts from Ireland and Heskey in consecutive minutes in the opening exchanges of the second period.
In fact, both goalkeepers proved to be the main men after the break, with Given showing his undoubted class too.
Wes Hoolahan, Bennett and Jackson were all denied by brilliant stops from the Republic of Ireland ace as the final half of the season continued apace.
There were moments for Villa at the death, Ireland heading over from Gary Gardner's pinpoint cross and Barry Bannan blasting over from 30 yards out.
But the visitors couldn't bag that vital goal which would have made the nerve-ends tingle for the home side in the closing moments.
Despite the loss, there was a lovely moment after the final whistle, with Cuellar donning a wig, his national flag and throwing home shirts into the away end for his adoring masses.
Norwich: Ruddy, Martin, Naughton, Bennett, Johnson, Hoolahan, Bennett, Lappin, Howson (Crofts), Holt (Morison), Jackson (Wilbraham). Subs: Steer, Drury, Surman, Fox.
Villa: Given, Cuellar (Gardner), Collins, Dunne, Lichaj, Herd (Bannan), Clark, Warnock (Baker), Ireland, Heskey, Agbonlahor. Subs: Guzan, Carruthers, N'Zogbia, Delfouneso.
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'Norwich, on the crest of a wave after their impressive campaign, played with confidence and class.
Ironically, Villa did have the first chance of the opening 45 minutes, Stephen Ireland blasting wide from 25 yards out after meeting a corner clearance.'
This the same Norwich who were on the beach a month ago and lost 3-0 in their last home game to the worst Liverpool team in 50 years.
What is ironic about having the first chance?
Who writes this drivell?
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this. Is it possible the players were trying to ensure he got the sack?
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We got extremely lucky. If the season lasted one more game we'd be gone and no-one would miss us. We've stunk the place out week after week.
We got less points than Blose managed last season for crying out loud.
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I agree with that sentiment. The players clearly don't respect him as they don't play for him. Perhaps they realised that they could help get him sacked.
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this. Is it possible the players were trying to ensure he got the sack?
Paul Franks hinted at this earlier on, the body language of many of them in the last few weeks certainly suggests an utter lack of faith.
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this. Is it possible the players were trying to ensure he got the sack?
Paul Franks hinted at this earlier on, the body language of many of them in the last few weeks certainly suggests an utter lack of faith.
They surely can't enjoy playing this way.
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I spent half an hour of the second half enjoying my pint and singing underneath the stand with about twk or three hundred other fans.
I have never, ever seen a Villa side as bad as that. The ****** had the nerve to clap us at then end too. Cheeky bastard.
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this. Is it possible the players were trying to ensure he got the sack?
They certainly weren't trying to impress Paul Lambert.
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this. Is it possible the players were trying to ensure he got the sack?
Paul Franks hinted at this earlier on, the body language of many of them in the last few weeks certainly suggests an utter lack of faith.
Mcleish has been more direct in his criticism of the players in recent weeks and it seems obvious that he has no respect at all with the players.
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this. Is it possible the players were trying to ensure he got the sack?
Paul Franks hinted at this earlier on, the body language of many of them in the last few weeks certainly suggests an utter lack of faith.
Mcleish has been more direct in his criticism of the players in recent weeks and it seems obvious that he has no respect at all with the players.
That's because he's been running out of excuses.
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Players all talk. They will all have heard and read him comments in recent weeks. As much as some of them are wankers and need to be sold, they'll be wanting him out also.
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Well thank god that thoroughly depressing season is over. I thought we might at least get a point today but I should have known better I suppose. I really do hope and pray that we now have a change of manager and quickly, as I can't bear to watch the life being strangled out of our club any more.
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Nathan D must be thinking about putting in a transfer request after watching Emile play 90 mins with him on the bench
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Nathan D was on the bench because he's crap.
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Nathan D must be thinking about putting in a transfer request after watching Emile play 90 mins with him on the bench
He'll be lucky if he gets the privilege. His last decent game for us was against Blackpool at home last season, so that's what? November 2010?
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Nathan D was on the bench because he's crap.
He couldn't get past Peter Grant.
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disgraceful, I hope Lerner goes aswell . Just the idea that they really believed Mcleish could be the next step forward for Aston Villa really shows that they know fck all about our game. Stick to touch downs.
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disgraceful, I hope Lerner goes aswell . Just the idea that they really believed Mcleish could be the next step forward for Aston Villa really shows that they know fck all about our game. Stick to touch downs.
Mmm, not watched the Browns then ?
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Nathan D must be thinking about putting in a transfer request after watching Emile play 90 mins with him on the bench
You really think so, thank god in that case
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this. Is it possible the players were trying to ensure he got the sack?
Paul Franks hinted at this earlier on, the body language of many of them in the last few weeks certainly suggests an utter lack of faith.
Was saying the same a couple of weeks ago. It must be miserable playing for him.
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Fuck. Ing. Rub. Bish. We can only hope this was the last whimper of the disastrous man in the dugout.
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Well thank fuck that's all over. Was out all day and was only following the game on Twitter. Sounds like our support was man of the match,some good songs being sung.
The man has no excuses left to use,you're way out of your depth,take your pay off and sling your fucking hook. UTV.
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We'll win again don't know where don't know when, but i know we'll win again some sunny day
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it's bad, yes. Houllier didn't do much better with Young and Downing, that's all I'm trying to say.
This is the same nonesense spouted by Ron Toss last week. The argument is totally flawed.
AMc inherited a squad that with was a top 6 side based on form in the second half of the season after the acquisition of Bent. Yes, Young and Downing were then sold but he did reinvest getting on for 18m on their replacement.
Avoiding relegation by the barest of margins is another abject failure from the master of abject failures.
There simply is no defence form his performance.
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How bad does someone have to be to play such a team devoid of any attacking threat? Warnock, Herd and Clark in midfield. Cueller as fullback. Lichaj playing on the left, which he doesn't look right at (he's not good enough any how). Heskey up front is pretty much a defensive choice too.
Worse still, 81 minutes, we have Carruthers and N'Zogbia on the bench who could come on to provide width. What does he do? Bring on Baker!! That's one of the most moronic decisions in the history of football. The games pretty much lost. Why make a defensive change to sure things up???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Really really poor. Last game of the season, literally nothing to play for - and he starts with two players confirmed to be leaving in the summer. Could/should have gone with Lichaj in at RB, maybe given Baker a game at LB. N'Zogbia starting and maybe even a first start for Carruthers - why not?
But then this manager has no vision, none at all. He's verging on totally incompetent.
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Verging?
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Verging?
Was he daring the club to sack him I wonder?
Would somebody who's determined to keep their job and regain their reputation ever contemplate such a line-up in a game where there's only really pride to play for? It was a day of baffling decisions. Baker for Warnock with ten minutes left and 2-0 down?
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9th, 16th, only because of what the two Macs did before and after him!!!
Bollocks. That is all.
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Thank god that utterly miserable season is over, didnt watch or follow the game today I was to wrapped up with events at the etihad, as others have mentioned if there had been one more game to play this season we would have almost certainly have gone down, if Mcshit stays we will probably finish bottom next season, Randy give us some hope and restore our faith in you a little bit by loading that fuckin bullet.
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We were shit under Houllier last season but fair play to McLeish he has managed to take us down several levels in only a matter of months
Outclassed by an average Norwich side, seven defenders in the starting eleven and a complete lack of tactical nous or ambition shown in 90 minutes just about rounded off our season perfectly
Absolute dog shit
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Its a funny old game. Mcleish should obviously be sacked. But Mancini was only one minute away from winning as much as the villa, and surely after spending that much he would have been sacked aswell. A minute later and he's top of the world. nuts
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Was he daring the club to sack him I wonder?
Exactly!
After Bolton it was "I'm not thinking about the end of the season, I just want to make sure we've stayed up."
Now that he HAS thought about it, he knows that if the club want to sack him, they've got to pay off his contract at £5m. All of his interviews of the last few days have basically been saying "if you want me out, you have to sack me!" whereas post-Bolton, I imagine that Lerner was hoping that McLeish would agree his position was untenable, and settle for a bit less.
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Was he daring the club to sack him I wonder?
Exactly!
After Bolton it was "I'm not thinking about the end of the season, I just want to make sure we've stayed up."
Now that he HAS thought about it, he knows that if the club want to sack him, they've got to pay off his contract at £5m. All of his interviews of the last few days have basically been saying "if you want me out, you have to sack me!" whereas post-Bolton, I imagine that Lerner was hoping that McLeish would agree his position was untenable, and settle for a bit less.
if his remit was to stay up he has done it so he y well be entitled to a pay off ffs
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It is scary to read the post match comments and hearing the excuses coming out, he is blaming anyone but himself while harping on about his history of winning trophies. A word in your ear Alex, you have had a season working, training and instructing these players, you are useless so do the right thing and walk.
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'But for three minutes last season I'd be the greatest manager in Birmingham City's history'. Yes Alex, that's because they've always been fucking shit.
This made me smile
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Well just got back to Manchester after a 7 hour round trip and I remember why I stopped going to away games about 3 months ago. Fucking useless, don't forget to clear your desk Alex. As for the players, disgraceful.
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'But for three minutes last season I'd be the greatest manager in Birmingham City's history'. Yes Alex, that's because they've always been fucking shit.
This made me smile
Me too.
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Lowlights (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/norwich-2-aston-villa-0/)
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Lowlights (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/norwich-2-aston-villa-0/)
I love it when Hansen says that McLeish just wants the season to end and start again. Yes, so do we Alan just with Alex miles and miles away from B6 with any other team but us.
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After that shit today, I honestly couldn't care less if we shipped out all 10 outfield players. What a load of fucking shit. Only Given came out of the game with any credit. A disgrace.
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Just got home from the game...for me the worst performance of the season without question!!
Highlight of the day: "shoes off if you hate mcleish"
Then seeing 2000 shoes hoisted in the air!
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After that shit today, I honestly couldn't care less if we shipped out all 10 outfield players. What a load of fucking shit. Only Given came out of the game with any credit. A disgrace.
Aside from Hutton, every Villa player used this season has shown that they are capable of producing great football, either individually or as part of a team. However, they stopped wanting to play together even before McLeish arrived because of a lack of respect for the manager. Get in a boss that gives them a philosophy and a pride in each other and they could show that kind of form again. Look at Albrighton and N'Zogbia. They should be indispensable. Instead, they're terrible.
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After that shit today, I honestly couldn't care less if we shipped out all 10 outfield players. What a load of fucking shit. Only Given came out of the game with any credit. A disgrace.
Aside from Hutton, every Villa player used this season has shown that they are capable of producing great football, either individually or as part of a team. However, they stopped wanting to play together even before McLeish arrived because of a lack of respect for the manager. Get in a boss that gives them a philosophy and a pride in each other and they could show that kind of form again. Look at Albrighton and N'Zogbia. They should be indispensable. Instead, they're terrible.
Indispensibly fuckin terrible!!!!
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Mmmm so just got back from Norwich. Good following, lots of 'faces' from the past who it was nice to see again. Mind you had the game mattered those boys would have been a little bit less in the party mood than they were.
I haven't been aggressively anti McLeish, in fact I've felt a little bit sorry for him in so much as I feel he's been hung out to dry a little bit by Lerners austerity measures......but he has to go now. He's lost the away crowd..... No one wants him and it will be impossible for the club to function with him in charge. Bluntly if that performance is the best he can do with a safe and relaxed squad then he must go. They showed no commitment, no passion, no game plan, no bloody respect for several thousand who made the effort to go.
I will renew, whatever happens in the summer: the Villa is ours. Don't push it though Randy.
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Was he daring the club to sack him I wonder?
Exactly!
After Bolton it was "I'm not thinking about the end of the season, I just want to make sure we've stayed up."
Now that he HAS thought about it, he knows that if the club want to sack him, they've got to pay off his contract at £5m. All of his interviews of the last few days have basically been saying "if you want me out, you have to sack me!" whereas post-Bolton, I imagine that Lerner was hoping that McLeish would agree his position was untenable, and settle for a bit less.
thats exactly how i read it........wanker
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Just got home from the game...for me the worst performance of the season without question!!
Highlight of the day: "shoes off if you hate mcleish"
Then seeing 2000 shoes hoisted in the air!
Agreed.
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Not long got back. I can't remember the last time i saw a Villa side as dire as that, we were absolutley shocking. We looked so poor it was embarrasing to watch at times. If he gets given another season i'll be amazed.
Superb day in Great Yarmouth on saturday though, there were Villa wherever you went.
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Norwich were good, we were shit. Thank God it's over.
"Shoes off, if you hate McLeish!"
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Was he daring the club to sack him I wonder?
Exactly!
After Bolton it was "I'm not thinking about the end of the season, I just want to make sure we've stayed up."
Now that he HAS thought about it, he knows that if the club want to sack him, they've got to pay off his contract at £5m. All of his interviews of the last few days have basically been saying "if you want me out, you have to sack me!" whereas post-Bolton, I imagine that Lerner was hoping that McLeish would agree his position was untenable, and settle for a bit less.
thats exactly how i read it........wanker
Can somebody please clarify is it not possible for the club to just put him on gardening leave thus only having to pay him monthly until such time as he finds another job, and saving having to pay out any lump sum contract payment that would be due if the club decided to sack him. If he chooses to stay out of work for the remainder of his contract time then so be it the club have to swallow that. Mind you I would have thought interest earned by Mr Lerner on all of his money would easily cover that. Equally why is it not possible to take him down the competency route, demonstrate that he has failed to fulfil the competences contained in his role profile and thus be able to safely terminate his employment on such grounds without recourse?
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I'd have thought that almost certainly you'd be hit with a constructive dismissal claim on either count.
It simple, Randy just needs to pull the trigger and we'll just have to wear the cost. His stupid appointment caused this in the first place. No dithering, just do it FFS.
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...why is it not possible to take him down the competency route, demonstrate that he has failed to fulfill the competences contained in his role profile and thus be able to safely terminate his employment on such grounds without recourse?
Fair point. None of us knows exactly what the "competences contained in his role" were, but you would think they'd be some sort of get-out, at least in terms of compensation, if he cocked it up to this extent. Maybe it really was just about not getting relegated, but that's a risky strategy (as we've seen) and defensive damage limitation on this scale has surely lost Lerner more than a few pennies.
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You can blame who or what you like Alex but that was quite simply not good enough and the buck stops with you.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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If we had of got relegated no doubt he had a clause in his contract where he could be dismissed.
Staying up probably has guaranteed him £2m in terms of pay-offs when he is sacked... no wonder he was concentrating on that...
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By the way, I've decided I don't want to see James Collins play in a Villa shirt ever again after seeing some of the Norwich game. What a mindless couple of minutes he had - first blasting the ball into Grant Holt's nuts from two yards away at a free-kick, and then bulldozing into one of their players to give away a needless free-kick - which Norwich then opened the scoring from.
Such indiscipline from a senior central defender. We need to do better than the likes of him.
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At least the season is over now! That is all!
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At least the season is over now! That is all!
Agreed - I just felt relief at 5pm yesterday that it was all over. Without doubt the most painful and traumatic since 1987.