Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Handsworth Wood Villa on May 06, 2012, 06:37:06 PM
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40,053 - Manchester United
37,460 - Liverpool
36,008 - Tottenham Hotspur
35,818 - Arsenal
35,642 - Swansea City
35,290 - Norwich City
35,132 - Manchester City
34,740 - Chelsea
34,248 - Newcastle United
34,152 - West Bromwich Albion
32,557 - Sunderland
32,372 - Fulham
32,319 - Blackburn Rovers
32,263 - Bolton Wanderers
32,063 - Queens Park Rangers
31,853 - Everton
30,776 - Wolverhampton Wanderers
30,744 - Wigan Athletic
30,100 - Stoke City
Average - 33,873
Our ground capacity is 42,786 so the stadium has been only 79% full this season.
Not a single sell-out all season.
Lowest crowds for 11 years.
2011/12 - 33,873
2010/11 - 37,194
2009/10 - 38,573
2008/09 - 39,812
2007/08 - 40,029
2006/07 - 36,214
2005/06 - 34,112
2004/05 - 37,354
2003/04 - 36,622
2002/03 - 34,975
2001/02 - 35,012
2000/01 - 31,597
Surely the board has no choice but to get rid of McLeish now purely from a financial point of view?
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Never underestimate their true fuckwittedness.
This lot have not got a fucking clue.
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Does that 2000-1 take in the rebuilding of the Trinity?
I'm pretty non-plussed to see the attendances lower than the last season of O'Dreary.
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You think these are low crowds ? If Mcleish stays, then you aint seen nothing yet.
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I've been saying the same. How can they keep a person employed who is having a direct effect on the poor attendances which means the club is losing money? If someone is losing money for your buisness you get rid of them because from an economic standpoint its suicidal keeping someone who is having a detrimental effect on your buisness.
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Presumably Villa employ market researchers just like any other business. I'd like to hear the report: "...and 76% of people won't be renewing their season tickets because they think the manager is a useless c***."
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You think these are low crowds ? If Mcleish stays, then you aint seen nothing yet.
Exactly. I'm surprised we haven't seen a few sub 30k crowds although the club counting tickets sold as opposed to actual people in the ground probably stops that.
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It must be something about us Handsworth Woodians; I had just worked out the average for this season and compared to recent previous seasons, only to see that you've beaten me to it. I do have the excuse that I've had to travel back from the match, after dropping elder son in Brum, and then going to see mum in H.W.
Anyway, I think the most striking statistic is that we've lost 15.4% on our average attendance in just four seasons - that's nearly one in six - at the same time losing 116,960 from our aggregate league attendances. As previous posters, and The Stranglers, have said, Something Better Change, because this just isn't good enough.
The OS is simply the worst in the Premier League to navigate, and if I hear that Jack Woodward sucking up to AM again I will drive back to Birmingham and strangle him (only joking!). The official programme has taken a severe dip this season, looking more like a children's comic and being littered with numerous grammatical and factual errors throughout the season.
Oh, and before I finish, Dunne, Collins, Hutton and N'Zogbia are not fit to wear the shirt and, Gabby - considering you are our stand-in captain - surely it wouldn't have hurt you to raise your head off the ground and clap the fans who have supported you (in my case 125 games in the past three seasons) as you walked on the 'lap of appreciation' in front of the Doug Ellis Stand.
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If Randy is a true businessman than he will pull the trigger after next Sunday.
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If Randy had a clue he'd be pulling the trigger right about now and thereby giving the fans something to look forward to for the last game of the season as well as beyond!
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I'm pretty non-plussed to see the attendances lower than the last season of O'Dreary.
I'm not. I think things have been far worse this year than they were in that season. And at least in that season we could console ourselves with the fact that there might be a 'bright future' once Doug sold up.
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AM interview on the OS says he's planning for next season so expect crowds to be even lower!
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It must be something about us Handsworth Woodians; I had just worked out the average for this season and compared to recent previous seasons, only to see that you've beaten me to it. I do have the excuse that I've had to travel back from the match, after dropping elder son in Brum, and then going to see mum in H.W.
Anyway, I think the most striking statistic is that we've lost 15.4% on our average attendance in just four seasons - that's nearly one in six - at the same time losing 116,960 from our aggregate league attendances. As previous posters, and The Stranglers, have said, Something Better Change, because this just isn't good enough.
The OS is simply the worst in the Premier League to navigate, and if I hear that Jack Woodward sucking up to AM again I will drive back to Birmingham and strangle him (only joking!). The official programme has taken a severe dip this season, looking more like a children's comic and being littered with numerous grammatical and factual errors throughout the season.
Oh, and before I finish, Dunne, Collins, Hutton and N'Zogbia are not fit to wear the shirt and, Gabby - considering you are our stand-in captain - surely it wouldn't have hurt you to raise your head off the ground and clap the fans who have supported you (in my case 125 games in the past three seasons) as you walked on the 'lap of appreciation' in front of the Doug Ellis Stand.
How many players do you think will be present for the STs' "lap of appreciation"?
For paying their wages and being rewarded with sh*t!
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Unless we'd had a blinding season then I don't think the figures would have been massively higher regardless of who was in charge this season.
Noticeable how much less the average away support was this season at VP. How many sides sold out their allocation this year? A lot of clubs who usually do, or at least come close to it, were way down on their usual numbers.
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Unless we'd had a blinding season then I don't think the figures would have been massively higher regardless of who was in charge this season.
Noticeable how much less the average away support was this season at VP. How many sides sold out their allocation this year? A lot of clubs who usually do, or at least come close to it, were way down on their usual numbers.
The prices we charge didn't help.
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Also, what kind of average do people think we'd have had this year with Lambert (for example) in charge and we finished 9th or 10th. I doubt more than 1K higher at best.
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This is the first season in 24 years of watching the Villa in which I haven't been to a home game. I can barely even remember the last time I bothered watching us when we've been on TV.
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I came home to the UK in December and chose to see more of my family than take in a game, thanks to AM and his crappy tactics... the game I missed was the 0-1 defeat to manure, so I was glad I missed it.
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I've not been to any games this season. The last time that happened was back in the 90s. I can't see the fans flooding back even if McLeish goes. He's really stunk the place out. We need something exciting to happen in the summer.
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1 game this season for me. Duffer O'Leary last season I went to 4 - including 4-1 away drubbing at Everton.
Zero next season if McLesih is still in charge.
100,000 casual fans and we have that many (for whatever reasons - family, job ,geography erc..) attending 2 or 3 less games per season. Well that equates to the drop in attendances. Simple. Give some football =people will attend. Currently they won't.
Barry Ferguson, Alan McGregor,Charlie Adam (on loan)-- that is what we have to look forward tonext season.
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I have a season ticket and have done for several years. Today, post match, the decision was made collectively if Mcleish isn't sacked we'll have a golf membership next year. We've had enough of spending our hard earned on shit.
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1 game for me this year - normally average 4 or 5. Just no incentive to drive up from Somerset. Can't remember such a lack of hope since the mid-80's. Is it honestly gonna get any better next season? I haven't even bothered watching most of the live TV games as we are just awful to watch. Its not a style thing - I would quite happily watch if we played like Stoke but looked like we knew what we were supposed to do at, for example, attacking and defending corners. But we don't look like we know how we play except to try and get a draw somehow. I find it laughable that McLeish is known as a defensive manager and yet his team doesn't know the basics of defending.
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I have a season ticket and will renew next season can't keep me away.
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This is the first season in 24 years of watching the Villa in which I haven't been to a home game. I can barely even remember the last time I bothered watching us when we've been on TV.
I've been half a dozen times, and my group of about 10 mates who'd usually do the same have been once each.
I haven't had a season ticket for the last two seasons. Before that I'd missed a handful of home games in 25 years. It's been down to finance that I haven't got one, having a nipper and having to buy another house, but there's been absolutely nothing seen on the pitch to warrant shelling out the £47 I did yesterday to watch us deliver another performance like that.
The bare fucking minimum I expect from a team I'm charged that much to watch is that they're attempting to win the game, and more times than not it hasn't happened.
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I have a season ticket and will renew next season can't keep me away.
sounds like you enjoyed it!
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Emailed Nichola Keye after the game yesterday to explain that if McLeish is still going to be the manager for next season then they won't have my £500 for the season ticket.
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Unless we'd had a blinding season then I don't think the figures would have been massively higher regardless of who was in charge this season.
Noticeable how much less the average away support was this season at VP. How many sides sold out their allocation this year? A lot of clubs who usually do, or at least come close to it, were way down on their usual numbers.
The prices we charge didn't help.
The away tickets have been pricey for the last couple of seasons, which is a shame.
As for the home tickets, the club did do some very good deals throughout the season in fairness but the prices on the whole (especially in the Upper Trinity) were a bit much.
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Also, what kind of average do people think we'd have had this year with Lambert (for example) in charge and we finished 9th or 10th. I doubt more than 1K higher at best.
Officially, I agree, but three hasn't been a single home game this season where the 7 ST holders I know have all gone. And each game there are regulars around me missing. These people get counted as attending when they don't. Lambert may have only sold another 1k tickets but those who'd already bought them would be there as well.
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My lad and I attended 6 matches this season.
Until the Liverpool game we had started considering season tickets but that match and the subsequent dross soon put an end to that.
We agreed we will not attend another game until McLeish has gone.
I have been going to VP since 1975 so not a decision taken lightly.
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I've decided to renew but only because I can't see how next season's home form could be any worse.
I'll be leaving it til the last minute however, unless McLeish get's the boot, in which case I might renew the following day!
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You must remember we probably only lost 2/3 million maximum from income in gates receipts as most of the money comes from else where ie tv. Through getting rid of the likes of Heskey and Guzan off the books and only replacing them will people on half or a fraction (kello) of there wages they look to have already broken even. It's quiet insignificant on the scale of things and sad I know.
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Just looking at we spent 80m on wages if you take off 20m for backroom staff etc (including youth players etc). It gives an average player wage of (assuming a squad size of 25) as
60m/25= 2.4m
2.4m/52= 46000pw! (average)
that is insane!