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Title: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: villadelph on April 26, 2012, 05:54:05 PM
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/26042012/63/dunne-urges-fans-lay-mcleish.html

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He told Press Association Sport: "It's very important for the fans that they support us, because they want to be watching Premier League football next season. We are giving our best and things just haven't gone right for us.

"But we've got three weeks to go and we need three weeks of massive support from everyone. We need everyone behind us and hopefully they will see the benefit of this season being a season when we've blooded six or seven youngsters in the first team and we can build on that and learn from this experience."

It seems like the players are behind McLeish but they have little choice considering most of the seniors are begging for contract negotiations. Not only will they have taken us down, but they'll possibly out of a job. I don't think anyone will be holding back after the Bolton result, and when I say the discontent is warranted, I mean we should've thrown our Petrov pies at him last weekend.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 06:01:31 PM
Sorry it's a two way street and the performances haven't warranted support. Do something on the pitch and you'll be supported. It's too late for Mcleish now.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: villanic on April 26, 2012, 06:03:13 PM
Everyone coming out and saying they need us to support the club is fecking me off. We do support the club and we’ll still be supporting the club after they have all pissed off.
 
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 26, 2012, 06:04:10 PM
"Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish"

Whilst the fans urge Dunne to lay off the Black Stuff :) 
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 26, 2012, 06:04:18 PM
I suppose he can't say anything else really,actions speak louder though,stop defending like the Keystone cops may be a good start.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: supertom on April 26, 2012, 06:10:42 PM
Dunne had absolutely no interest in our club when he was causing grief for Houllier and waddelling around 1-2 stone over weight. He's been better this season but still hasn't done enough to drive the team on and rouse his team mates.

Concentrate on your treadmill Richard and for the love of god, lay off the bloody pies! The sooner we get shot of his 60k wages, the better.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 26, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
Maybe we could do with some of his team-talks from last season?
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 06:22:01 PM
What do you think we've been doing all season fatty?
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Lambert and Payne on April 26, 2012, 06:24:11 PM
Why is it when a Villa player says everyone needs to rally together does everyone go mad? I know its been shite all season and I've lost my head more than once this season.
Its clearly not helping the team being negative, so why are people 'fecking you off' for saying get behind the club
All the inhouse fighting with fans, having a go at players chairman and manager is doing fuck all good. Get behind the team and make yourselves heard in a supportive way thoughout the season. Let the manager know how you feel AFTER  the Norwich game...
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Matt C on April 26, 2012, 06:24:16 PM
Fair enough but I wish they'd stop this nonsense of 'oh but we've been so unlucky'. Stop the excuses and start performing.

Yeah but no but...
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on April 26, 2012, 06:26:23 PM
Yeah like you went easy on Houllier Richard? Short memory.

I bet you didn't like been told you had to pass the ball, eat sensibly and do some training. I guess McLeish is much more your sort of manager?

Well you know what, Houllier is a decent manager, shame you couldn't see it. We have gone easy on McLeish, but he's delivered exactly what most of us expected. So now that frustration is being voiced. Why don't you shut your cake hole and get on with what you are being paid a small fortune per week to do?

Guess what, when you win games McLeish gets an easier time. Can't see that happening though. And leave the youngsters out of it, you're as bad a McLeish for using them as a diversion for you and the other pros completely bottling it. Show some leadership (on the pitch).
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Nev on April 26, 2012, 07:07:39 PM
There's nothing I hate more than footballers "encouraging" fans to support the team. They do, week in, week out in their thousands spending their hard earned money.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: avfc_1874 on April 26, 2012, 07:14:11 PM
I urge Dunne to lay off the pies.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Bad English on April 26, 2012, 07:20:00 PM
Houllier nostalgia. Just what I needed after a day of educating while stricken with man-flu...
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on April 26, 2012, 07:30:04 PM
I'd take him back, and its not nostalgia.

Last year was certainly difficult, but there was a vision. For me it felt like a year of transition, but there was a feeling that we were working towards something.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Eigentor on April 26, 2012, 07:34:52 PM
While there were some fans who wanted rid of Houllier, too, there were also a number who wanted to see what he could do with a full pre-season and players more suited to the way he wanted the team to play.

I don't think there are too many who wants to see what McLeish can do if he is given another season.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Vanilla on April 26, 2012, 07:39:23 PM
If fans are given something to cheer about, they will no doubt lay off the manager's back. However, if they keep producing the turgid performances they have done all season (even before the mass of injuries), then the club can only expect the fans to either:
1. Support the team during the game and give the manager stick at the end if the performance warrants it
2. Vent their frustrations at the players during the dire performance
3. Not turn up at all
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 26, 2012, 07:50:06 PM
More shit coming out of footballers mouths while they have been providing shit for us all season , which we have all been paying for . 
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 26, 2012, 08:05:50 PM
How dare he..? The fat fuck. He's lucky he's not on the pitch suffering this humiliation. Do us a favour Dunne... take your impending transfer fee and head off to the next cash cow. We don't want you... we don't need you. Our defence was worse when you were in it.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: adrenachrome on April 26, 2012, 08:10:29 PM
Shithawk cawing in a shitstorm.

NSFW

Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2012, 08:33:36 PM
no point dissecting everything. He's saying that we need to pull together right now and as much as all of us now are united in wanting McLeish gone, we also want the club to stay up. That has to be the priority and once that is looked after, hopefully the rest looks after itself and we are talking about his possible replacement in May.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 26, 2012, 08:41:14 PM
Fans urge Dunne to lay off McDonalds.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: KevinGage on April 26, 2012, 08:44:53 PM
He'll be gone soon.  As will the object of his affection, hopefully.

Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: dicedlam on April 26, 2012, 08:53:27 PM
Fans urge Dunne to lay off McDonalds.

Fans urge Dunne to lay off McVities Chocolate Digestives.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Legion on April 26, 2012, 09:01:20 PM
I'm trying to work out a joke about Dunne wanting his meal ticket to survive, but am failing miserably.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Legion on April 26, 2012, 09:01:38 PM
I'd take him back, and its not nostalgia.

Last year was certainly difficult, but there was a vision. For me it felt like a year of transition, but there was a feeling that we were working towards something.

Same for me.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 26, 2012, 09:03:14 PM
I'd take him back, and its not nostalgia.

Last year was certainly difficult, but there was a vision. For me it felt like a year of transition, but there was a feeling that we were working towards something.
+1
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 09:04:03 PM
I'm trying to work out a joke about Dunne wanting his meal ticket to survive, but am failing miserably.

I was trying to be more subtle and work on "Villa fans urge Dunne to stop being a fat, trouble making fecker and actually start earning the small fortune he is paid each week."

Which I think is quite catchy actually.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Vanilla on April 26, 2012, 09:59:15 PM
How many times have Villa fans been criticised either directly or indirectly by representatives of the club this season?

Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: tomd2103 on April 26, 2012, 10:09:14 PM
I personally wasn't a fan of Houllier, but in hindsight he would probably have made some much needed changes last summer.  I think the likes of Dunne, Warnock and Ireland would have definitely been moved on and we may have seen more foreign arrivals like Makoun.     
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: mike on April 26, 2012, 10:11:39 PM
This is the Dunne who, when we were eleven points clear, said we'd be finishing strongly now we were out of danger.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: holte hero on April 26, 2012, 10:15:49 PM
Dunne, i just want to commit some sort of physical violence on you.  >:(
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: N'Rexy on April 26, 2012, 10:18:19 PM
Average player supports weak manager who gives said player an easy ride.
Funny that him and Warlock come out with this tired crap this week. 2 of the biggest troublemakers last season.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 26, 2012, 10:22:05 PM
Dunne, i just want to commit some sort of physical violence on you.  >:(

"...But you look a bit tasty, so I'll carry on beating the meat."
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Stu on April 26, 2012, 10:22:51 PM
Shithawk cawing in a shitstorm.

NSFW



Wah! Another Trailer Park Boys fan! Good man!
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 26, 2012, 10:23:39 PM
Dunne can fuck off, the criminally out of shape, fat blunder magnet.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 26, 2012, 10:25:56 PM
Fans urge Dunne to play football!
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: James on April 27, 2012, 12:52:49 AM
I personally wasn't a fan of Houllier, but in hindsight he would probably have made some much needed changes last summer.  I think the likes of Dunne, Warnock and Ireland would have definitely been moved on and we may have seen more foreign arrivals like Makoun.     

We might even have seen Makoun!
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Terry Jones on April 27, 2012, 01:08:59 AM
Ya get behind Mc Leish with a shot gun.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: ktvillan on April 27, 2012, 01:16:32 AM
Contractual obligation to spout a load of pro-Mcleish/Lerner/Faulkner bullshit #3,235.  Change the frigging record.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: The Left Side on April 27, 2012, 01:31:58 AM
Do your talking on the pitch pieman!
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Zhong Yi on April 27, 2012, 04:03:34 AM
heard the Paul Faulkner frogs chorus imitation via a BBC podcast the other day and he does sound like Bradley Branning. Uncanny actually.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: QBVILLA on April 27, 2012, 06:45:50 AM
Whilst it seems virtually no one wants McLeish, pining after a manager who oversaw our demise from 6th spot to last years relegation battle is laughable.He managed to do this with Young and Downing in the squad, two wingers who weighed in with 15-17 goals between them and without checking i'm fairly sure they also provided the assists for Bent's goals.In the five games he missed we took eleven points, and going into the game at Arsenal we weren't safe.Have the actions of Houllier been forgotten? Liverpool away The surrender of the FA Cup? By all means moan about McLeish, but getting misty eyed over that mug is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: PeterWithe on April 27, 2012, 07:08:07 AM
Kind of agree, I don't think I've ever been angrier than during the Wolved home defeat, we were gutless under GH with better players.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: ktvillan on April 27, 2012, 10:24:56 AM
Whilst it seems virtually no one wants McLeish, pining after a manager who oversaw our demise from 6th spot to last years relegation battle is laughable.He managed to do this with Young and Downing in the squad, two wingers who weighed in with 15-17 goals between them and without checking i'm fairly sure they also provided the assists for Bent's goals.In the five games he missed we took eleven points, and going into the game at Arsenal we weren't safe.Have the actions of Houllier been forgotten? Liverpool away The surrender of the FA Cup? By all means moan about McLeish, but getting misty eyed over that mug is ridiculous.

GH made a lot of mistakes, the main one was trying to change things too quickly, and his behaviour at Klanfield was misguided to say the least.  But at least you could see there was a decent football philosophy in there, and a way forward.    And apart from the revolt of the dunne-derheads, he also had to negotiate our worst injury crisis for many a year.  If he'd had the chance to get rid of outdated, overpaid shit-stirrers like Dunne, Warnock and Collins, and replace them with the likes of Cabaye, as was rumoured, I think you may have seen a Villa team pushing at the top end again.   When I look at the negative, gutless, defeatist and tactically clueless reign of McLeish, I see no football philosophy except to survive, and very little to build on.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2012, 10:28:02 AM
Whilst it seems virtually no one wants McLeish, pining after a manager who oversaw our demise from 6th spot to last years relegation battle is laughable.He managed to do this with Young and Downing in the squad, two wingers who weighed in with 15-17 goals between them and without checking i'm fairly sure they also provided the assists for Bent's goals.In the five games he missed we took eleven points, and going into the game at Arsenal we weren't safe.Have the actions of Houllier been forgotten? Liverpool away The surrender of the FA Cup? By all means moan about McLeish, but getting misty eyed over that mug is ridiculous.

Quite agree, it's another case of building somebody up now he's gone.  The Wolves loss was as bad as anything we've seen this year, and I think if we hadn't bought Darren Bent, we'd have been relegated under Houllier. 
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Eigentor on April 27, 2012, 10:34:13 AM
Whilst it seems virtually no one wants McLeish, pining after a manager who oversaw our demise from 6th spot to last years relegation battle is laughable.He managed to do this with Young and Downing in the squad, two wingers who weighed in with 15-17 goals between them and without checking i'm fairly sure they also provided the assists for Bent's goals.In the five games he missed we took eleven points, and going into the game at Arsenal we weren't safe.Have the actions of Houllier been forgotten? Liverpool away The surrender of the FA Cup? By all means moan about McLeish, but getting misty eyed over that mug is ridiculous.

Missing the point here, I think. No-one is saying that last season was great, or that GH was definately the right man to take us forward. The point is that at least GH seemed to have an idea of what he wanted to do (we don't know if he would have succeeded in carrying out his vision). McLeish is just clueless.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: andyh on April 27, 2012, 10:36:07 AM
How many times have Villa fans been criticised either directly or indirectly by representatives of the club this season?


A very,very good point.
Considering the shite that has been served up this season, the team has been been pretty well supported right up until now.
Infact, I would go so far as to say Tuesdays support from the crowd was the best we have heard all season,right up until up until 85 mins when it all boiled over.

What fatty is doing is exactly what the manager is doing, deflecting blame and responsibility onto the fans and others, rather than taking it on one of his chins.
   
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 27, 2012, 10:36:19 AM
Dunne, With respect fuck off greedy bastard
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Mister E on April 27, 2012, 10:38:26 AM
The worrying thing is that they are talking about him playing tomorrow ...
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Steve R on April 27, 2012, 10:40:28 AM
Chair urges Dunne to pick on someone his own size.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: VillaAlways on April 27, 2012, 10:40:30 AM
Dunne, With respect fuck off greedy bastard
This
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Concrete John on April 27, 2012, 10:41:07 AM
Whilst it seems virtually no one wants McLeish, pining after a manager who oversaw our demise from 6th spot to last years relegation battle is laughable.He managed to do this with Young and Downing in the squad, two wingers who weighed in with 15-17 goals between them and without checking i'm fairly sure they also provided the assists for Bent's goals.In the five games he missed we took eleven points, and going into the game at Arsenal we weren't safe.Have the actions of Houllier been forgotten? Liverpool away The surrender of the FA Cup? By all means moan about McLeish, but getting misty eyed over that mug is ridiculous.

Missing the point here, I think. No-one is saying that last season was great, or that GH was definately the right man to take us forward. The point is that at least GH seemed to have an idea of what he wanted to do (we don't know if he would have succeeded in carrying out his vision). McLeish is just clueless.

I'd argue that Mcleish DOES have an idea what he wants to do - as I've said before I think the blueprint is something akin to George Graham's Arsenal.  I just don't think he's going to achieve it.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 10:41:29 AM
The fans consistently getting criticised. Look Dunne get out there and perform then the team will get support. On the whole the team have offered nothing this season. Forget about support for Mcleish, that ship has sailed and it's too late. We'll get behind the players if they give us anything.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2012, 11:03:46 AM
Whilst it seems virtually no one wants McLeish, pining after a manager who oversaw our demise from 6th spot to last years relegation battle is laughable.He managed to do this with Young and Downing in the squad, two wingers who weighed in with 15-17 goals between them and without checking i'm fairly sure they also provided the assists for Bent's goals.In the five games he missed we took eleven points, and going into the game at Arsenal we weren't safe.Have the actions of Houllier been forgotten? Liverpool away The surrender of the FA Cup? By all means moan about McLeish, but getting misty eyed over that mug is ridiculous.

Missing the point here, I think. No-one is saying that last season was great, or that GH was definately the right man to take us forward. The point is that at least GH seemed to have an idea of what he wanted to do (we don't know if he would have succeeded in carrying out his vision). McLeish is just clueless.

I'd argue that Mcleish DOES have an idea what he wants to do - as I've said before I think the blueprint is something akin to George Graham's Arsenal.  I just don't think he's going to achieve it.

You just can't get away with that style of football any more, there are just too many good passing teams with technical players these days.  Boring people to death might nab you the odd good cup run as he proved last year, but it's suicide in the Premier League.  This was demonstrated all too clearly when Swansea played at Villa Park.  With a team devoid of stars but with everybody comfortable on the ball and in keeping possession, Swansea looked head and shoulders above us in terms of quality, and McLeish had no reply to them at all. 

Even if he's given money to spend in the event that his services are retained, it's just going to be maybe three or four players who might be a slight improvement on what we have now, but basically playing the same uninspiring, basic football that is McLeish's hallmark.  He's just fundamentally a bad coach.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: dicedlam on April 27, 2012, 11:15:05 AM
  playing the same uninspiring, basic football that is McLeish's hallmark.  He's just fundamentally a bad coach.

McLeish's stlye of football makes a mockery of whats required to pass F.A. coaching badges.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: not3bad on April 27, 2012, 11:21:09 AM
He'll be gone soon.  As will the object of his affection, hopefully.



I hope not!  I enjoy a nice pie!!
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: James on April 27, 2012, 11:21:26 AM
Dunne's jibberish reads totally different to Warnock's interview earlier in the week which i thought was pretty good tbf. I thought Warnock was talking sense but Dunne just seems as out of touch as McLeech.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/12/04/27/manual_073946.html&TEAMHD=soccer&BID=165
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 27, 2012, 01:45:35 PM
I`m afraid the time has come for the fans to have their say, we`ve coughed up, now we`re going to speak up.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 01:49:16 PM
  playing the same uninspiring, basic football that is McLeish's hallmark.  He's just fundamentally a bad coach.

McLeish's stlye of football makes a mockery of whats required to pass F.A. coaching badges.

What Hleb said the other week is what scared me.

Quote
"At Birmingham, the team played the long-ball game, practically bypassing midfield," Hleb told Russian website RIA Novosti.

"To get into the game you had to play up front or linger at the back with the defenders to get hold of the ball, which more often than not flew right past me.

"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 27, 2012, 01:59:37 PM
  playing the same uninspiring, basic football that is McLeish's hallmark.  He's just fundamentally a bad coach.

McLeish's stlye of football makes a mockery of whats required to pass F.A. coaching badges.

What Hleb said the other week is what scared me.

Quote
"At Birmingham, the team played the long-ball game, practically bypassing midfield," Hleb told Russian website RIA Novosti.

"To get into the game you had to play up front or linger at the back with the defenders to get hold of the ball, which more often than not flew right past me.

"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"

His lack of nous was proven after we went behind against Bolton, the team then started hoofing the ball up to Gabby's head, clearly they'd forgot that Heskey had gone off.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Eigentor on April 27, 2012, 08:18:36 PM
Whilst it seems virtually no one wants McLeish, pining after a manager who oversaw our demise from 6th spot to last years relegation battle is laughable.He managed to do this with Young and Downing in the squad, two wingers who weighed in with 15-17 goals between them and without checking i'm fairly sure they also provided the assists for Bent's goals.In the five games he missed we took eleven points, and going into the game at Arsenal we weren't safe.Have the actions of Houllier been forgotten? Liverpool away The surrender of the FA Cup? By all means moan about McLeish, but getting misty eyed over that mug is ridiculous.

Missing the point here, I think. No-one is saying that last season was great, or that GH was definately the right man to take us forward. The point is that at least GH seemed to have an idea of what he wanted to do (we don't know if he would have succeeded in carrying out his vision). McLeish is just clueless.

I'd argue that Mcleish DOES have an idea what he wants to do - as I've said before I think the blueprint is something akin to George Graham's Arsenal.  I just don't think he's going to achieve it.

If that's the case, then he was bullshitting us when saying that the notion that he is a "naturally defensively-minded manager" is a "myth", and that his "appetite for attacking, winning football is second to none". Maybe that was something he just said to please the fans, and that we would later conveniently forget when counting the points from numerous 1-0 wins and 0-0 draws.

Anyway, I wrote that McLeish is clueless. What I meant to say is that McLeish seems clueless. One thing is that this season has been awful, but nothing the manager has said or done indicates that things will be better next season. With GH there was at least the hope that he would ship out the troublemakers and hoofers and bring in decent players capable of playing decent football. Maybe that was just a pipe-dream, but at least there was hope - even if the results were (almost) just as bad.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2012, 01:34:07 AM
Whilst it seems virtually no one wants McLeish, pining after a manager who oversaw our demise from 6th spot to last years relegation battle is laughable.He managed to do this with Young and Downing in the squad, two wingers who weighed in with 15-17 goals between them and without checking i'm fairly sure they also provided the assists for Bent's goals.In the five games he missed we took eleven points, and going into the game at Arsenal we weren't safe.Have the actions of Houllier been forgotten? Liverpool away The surrender of the FA Cup? By all means moan about McLeish, but getting misty eyed over that mug is ridiculous.

Missing the point here, I think. No-one is saying that last season was great, or that GH was definately the right man to take us forward. The point is that at least GH seemed to have an idea of what he wanted to do (we don't know if he would have succeeded in carrying out his vision). McLeish is just clueless.

I'd argue that Mcleish DOES have an idea what he wants to do - as I've said before I think the blueprint is something akin to George Graham's Arsenal.  I just don't think he's going to achieve it.

I agree with that point John.  I think he has a very clear blueprint which he developed at Rangers (especially in the Champions League) and with Scotland.   The whole style of football is low risk and it is interesting to see that Given rarely throws the ball out and all free kicks are sent long.  I think his ideal way of playing is 4-5-1, with a team of grafters who are primarily sent out to work hard defensively and anything going forward is a bonus.  I thought his comments earlier in the season about the work rate of our wingers after the game up at Newcastle were telling and were a clue to what he really expects.  It's why we had a central midfield the other night of Herd and Warnock, and more creative types like Bannan were on the bench.  The major problem is that he doesn't have the type of players he needs to play that way at Villa and he hasn't been able to (or hasn't been good enough to) find a way of getting the best out of what he has at his disposal.  What has surprised me is how poor we have been defending set pieces this season.  I would have thought that would have been an area that he would have been able to sort out. 

His way of playing suits the Championship and Scottish football perfectly.  It is extremely dull to watch, but is effective at those levels.   
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: TheTimVilla on April 28, 2012, 07:58:49 AM
This is the Dunne who, when we were eleven points clear, said we'd be finishing strongly now we were out of danger.
And then a month ago said "let's catch Sunderland". We couldn't even fucking do that.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 28, 2012, 08:48:02 AM
Villa fans urge Dunne to lay off the cream cakes.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: rob_bridge on April 28, 2012, 08:50:40 AM
Whilst it seems virtually no one wants McLeish, pining after a manager who oversaw our demise from 6th spot to last years relegation battle is laughable.He managed to do this with Young and Downing in the squad, two wingers who weighed in with 15-17 goals between them and without checking i'm fairly sure they also provided the assists for Bent's goals.In the five games he missed we took eleven points, and going into the game at Arsenal we weren't safe.Have the actions of Houllier been forgotten? Liverpool away The surrender of the FA Cup? By all means moan about McLeish, but getting misty eyed over that mug is ridiculous.
GH made a lot of mistakes, the main one was trying to change things too quickly, and his behaviour at Klanfield was misguided to say the least.  But at least you could see there was a decent football philosophy in there, and a way forward.    And apart from the revolt of the dunne-derheads, he also had to negotiate our worst injury crisis for many a year.  If he'd had the chance to get rid of outdated, overpaid shit-stirrers like Dunne, Warnock and Collins, and replace them with the likes of Cabaye, as was rumoured, I think you may have seen a Villa team pushing at the top end again.   When I look at the negative, gutless, defeatist and tactically clueless reign of McLeish, I see no football philosophy except to survive, and very little to build on.

Houllier was arrogant, aloof,out of touch and basically crap - anyone who though Traore was a left back better than Warnock and Risse, Westerveld and Dudek better than Friedel and Baros was a more vauable player to the team than Carew. Yep he did all of those things. Not mention Pires for Pension Cheque-- anyone,Domenech the man for France is 2010. Makoun - can't remember him pulling up any trees to be honest.

That said McLeish is worse which is some achievement
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: SashasGrandad on April 28, 2012, 08:54:01 AM
Villa fans urge Dunne to lay off the cream cakes.

And the beer

Chips

Burgers

etc
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 28, 2012, 08:55:43 AM
To be honest while he was lying in bed looking at the Brum skyline from QEHB, McAllister was saving us from relegation and leading a late charge up the table. Did we miss an opportunity by letting him leave? Could he have been the diamond in the rough we were (and still are) looking for?
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: rob_bridge on April 28, 2012, 08:59:36 AM
To be honest while he was lying in bed looking at the Brum skyline from QEHB, McAllister was saving us from relegation and leading a late charge up the table. Did we miss an opportunity by letting him leave? Could he have been the diamond in the rough we were (and still are) looking for?

His prior record suggested otherwise
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 28, 2012, 09:03:26 AM
So did Pardew's
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2012, 09:04:12 AM
To be honest while he was lying in bed looking at the Brum skyline from QEHB, McAllister was saving us from relegation and leading a late charge up the table. Did we miss an opportunity by letting him leave? Could he have been the diamond in the rough we were (and still are) looking for?

Yes.

It couldn't have gone worse, and we'd have saved ourselves roughly the price of that shit hot forward the geordies bought in.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: brontebilly on April 28, 2012, 09:18:41 AM
How many points have we earned since Dunne's injury? Despite all his critics on here we are a better side when he is in it as the second half of last season and the first half of this season proves.

Carlos 'Bobby Moore' Cuellar tends to be rated higher on here when he doesnt play than when he plays. After his laughable display against QPR, Dunne must come back in. Collins to partner him.

The revisionism towards Houllier is misplaced as always.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: KevinGage on April 28, 2012, 09:26:57 AM
Cuellar has made one (admittedly bad) mistake in the games he's featured in this season. Probably wasn't great v Swansea at home either, in fairness.

Dunne seems to average one game changing error per match when he plays.

CC's recent brainstorm doesn't make the Dunner a better/ more reliable player during the time he's been out of the side either.

Our points haul since Feb might have quite a bit to do with all the other injuries we've endured since then too. 
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: brian green on April 28, 2012, 12:17:08 PM
Memories of Villa games over the years are saved (by me anyway) as snapshots.   Our O'Neill period will always be encapsulated for me by the sight and memory of Stoke's second goal going in.   This season's agony will be contained in the snapshot of us being 2 1 down to Bolton last Tuesday and the ball from the midfield being shovelled back to Given to be put high in the air for somebody, anybody, to get on the end of.  I shall always believe for the rest of my life that if we had carried on passing the ball on the ground against Bolton we would have got a draw and the point which will be the difference between the Premiership and the Championship next season.

That McLeish allowed them to descend into pump it upfield and hope is also a very accurate snapshot of his management.
Title: Re: Dunne urges fans to lay off McLeish
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 28, 2012, 12:58:15 PM
Yeah, i think we should lay out half a grand a season, put up with shite and shut the fuck up!!!
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