Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: TonyD on March 14, 2012, 10:36:05 PM
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Thoughts?
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no.
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Swap not sway!
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Fuck no, what a ridiculous thought
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Marcus Bent maybe.
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No.
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Yes, Torres is technically fantastic and links the play better than Bent, he just needs to get away from that freak show of a club, Bents a great striker, Torres is a world class striker.
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Until the end of the season yes...
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Yes, Torres is technically fantastic and links the play better than Bent, he just needs to get away from that freak show of a club, Bents a great striker, Torres is a world class striker.
Surely a world class striker would be expected to score more than once in five months, regardless of the club he's playing for, and regardless of whether his style suited them?
And I say that as one who thinks he'll come good at some point.
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I would say it would be difficult decision it it was in reality presented. I would go for Torres. Class is perm.
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Bloody right I would. Torres has just lost his confidence. Bent is a fantastic player to have but Torres when, and I suppose if he regains his form could be one of the best in the World. I'd gamble on him.
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How many do you think Bent would have scored in that Chelsea side if he had played the same number of minutes as Torres has?
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As I've said before Torres was a top class player. The problem he has is that he is in a vicious cycle of poor form, low confidence and trying too hard. Get him out of that and he'll be great again. Getting him out of that will be difficult though.
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Yes, Torres is technically fantastic and links the play better than Bent, he just needs to get away from that freak show of a club, Bents a great striker, Torres is a world class striker.
This!
Torres well be a great striker again just probably not at Stamford Bridge.
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I don't think we'll see the best of him in England again. He'll probably end up back at Atletico Madrid and rediscover his form for a couple of years before he starts getting a bit old.
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Yes, Torres is technically fantastic and links the play better than Bent, he just needs to get away from that freak show of a club, Bents a great striker, Torres is a world class striker.
This!
Torres well be a great striker again just probably not at Stamford Bridge.
If he can't resuscitate his career at Chelsea, how's he going to do it with us, when most of the time he'll be in a different post code to the ball?
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Show's how far Torres has fallen that so many would pick Bent. Three years ago Torres was amongst the best strikers in the world.
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I don't think we'll see the best of him in England again. He'll probably end up back at Atletico Madrid and rediscover his form for a couple of years before he starts getting a bit old.
In a way it's sad, but this is surely the most likely outcome.
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Torres is the parrot in the classic Month Python sketch. He is no more he is finished he is no longer a functioning footballer he is the dead parrot!
However I would swap him for Emile!
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No.
Torres is crap.
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Not English enough presumably.
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I'd definitely go for Nando. Darren prefers KFC anyway.
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Class is permenant form is temporary, Torres is a better footballer so yes I would take him for Bent any day
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Class is permenant form is temporary, Torres is a better footballer so yes I would take him for Bent any day
Torres and class appear temporary, Bent and form seems to be permanant. Bent every time.
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Yes.
I was thinking the same watching the match the day i see Bent score from outside the area will be the day i pull a supermodel, i'd snap up soon to be out of contract Drogba for a year also.
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Class is permenant form is temporary, Torres is a better footballer so yes I would take him for Bent any day
Torres and class appear temporary, Bent and form seems to be permanant. Bent every time.
really, You know what you get with Bent, nothing except putting away the odd chance in three, Tores can play football
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No ta. I agree Torres used to be a great striker. So did Jimmy Greaves. I wouldn't swap Greaves for Bent either.
Well, maybe that Greaves that was in our European Cup side.
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Yes from me.
Even when his confidence is rock bottom I think Torres links play better than Bent. If you took him out of Chelsea then I think he'd feel less pressure and would start enjoying himself again. Then the goals would come follow.
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Torres is a bit more than out of form. Or it's a long run of bad form. 14 club goals since the start of the 10/11 season. Gabby has 11 in that despite playing on the wing most of the time, having injury problems and playing for us who i'd imagine create a lot less chances than either Racist FC or Plastic FC.
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Can we swap him for Sturridge instead?
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Torres has lost it totally.
A footballing version of the yips.
I'd swap Heskey for him though.
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Nope. Torres was an incredible striker, but he needs to get out of Chelsea to somewhere he is loved. Eck ain't gonna change him!
Arsenal would be a good move for him.
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Yes.
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It's a tough one. If there was any hope that Torres could find his form again then, yes. Although I'm a big fan of Bent.
Torres needs to play regularly without his place being in jeopardy, which seems unfair to anybody competing with him. When he settles again, which wont be at Chelsea, I reckon he'll be a top striker again.
Anyway, this is never going to be an option.
If Torres leaves Chelsea it will be to go back to Spain or maybe Italy.
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No. Torres looks shot. He was left out of the last Spain squad while his replacement Soldado scored a hat trick (weren't we linked with him once?) so he probably won't make the Euro's which will crush his confidence even more.
His decline started at Liverpool and he's had so many managers now, trying all sorts of systems to help him and nothing's worked. Really can't see how playing for us would change anything.
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Fernando Torres will come good.
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With the exception of Warnock, I have yet to see a player become so spectacurlarly shit in such a short space of time, he seems to have lost a yard of pace and he misses more sitters than Bent easily. He also chooses to blame everyone but himself
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What a conundrum. At his best i'm struggling to think of many better strikers, but will he get it back? It's in him and I do expect him to come back so I suppose....yes.
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Lots of butter, crusty bread, HP sauce. The bacon has to be fried, not grilled
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In a heartbeat.
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I was having a similar conversation yesterday with some mates which revolved around Bent leaving us in the summer and not being able to get the money back we laid out for him (all transfer fees seem to be dropping) so we'd need to do a straight swap for another striker. The two obvious ones came up, Torres or Carrol. In other words a rapier or a battering ram. We all went for Torres, let's face it Torres has more to his game than putting the ball in the net. Some of his work on the ball last night was superb and I'm certain that once he gets a goal he'll be back to where he was. Plus how many managers has he had at Romans Toy? Two, three? At least if he came to us he'd know that the manager is going to be here for the length of his contract.
And as an aside, did you notice their fans were chanting his name all the time as if he was scoring a goal every five minutes not five months. Now that's how you support a player that's having a rough time.
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That was funny when the Chelsea fans were chanting for him to take their penalty at the Sty, and the noses joined in.
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I was having a similar conversation yesterday with some mates which revolved around Bent leaving us in the summer and not being able to get the money back we laid out for him (all transfer fees seem to be dropping) so we'd need to do a straight swap for another striker. The two obvious ones came up, Torres or Carrol. In other words a rapier or a battering ram. We all went for Torres, let's face it Torres has more to his game than putting the ball in the net.
While I agree with that, I think the battering ram would fit into our side better than the rapier.
But a straight choice between Torres or Bent? It's all about whether Torres regains form, as if he does he's twice the striker Bent is, and I am a big Bent fan! I think I'd err on the side of caution and say no, as it'd be a huge gamble to sacrifice our biggest asset.
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Forget Torres, we should get Marlon King. He's much rapier.
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10/10 Maz. ;D
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How about both?
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But where would Emile fit in then?
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We couldnt afford Toress's expenses let alone his wages.
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No from me I wouldn't swap Bent for Torres both quality players but I prefer Bent.
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I don't see the point of this question.
Is it just some random player from another team against a random player from our team?
Why not Dunne for Samba, or Agbonlahor for Torres, or Bent for Berbatov, or Howard for Given or whoever for whoever?
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But where would Emile fit in then?
He'll have to drop into his Beckenbauer role in central defence. Sorted.
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Howard Webb for Roger Moore in 'Octopussy'
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In answer to the original question. No.
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In a heartbeat.
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Yes, Torres is technically fantastic and links the play better than Bent, he just needs to get away from that freak show of a club, Bents a great striker, Torres is a world class striker.
This!
Torres well be a great striker again just probably not at Stamford Bridge.
If he can't resuscitate his career at Chelsea, how's he going to do it with us, when most of the time he'll be in a different post code to the ball?
I think it's a change of club that will resuscitate his career and some club will get lucky. Like you say that fact we don't get the ball up to the front man to often might not help his resurgence.
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Love this topic. I would of course go with the swap - why not? After all Torres would love to come here and his wages are probably only equivalent to half the wage bill in total.
Meanwhile back in the real world f'Eck has been reading H&V and having given due consideration to this topic has popped down to London to do the deal. Got in a taxi at Euston and said 'Footba groond Chelsea' and ended up at The Cottage. Before you can say fat Dutchman the deal is done and we've swapped Bent for Andy Johnson. You heard it here first.....
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In a heartbeat.
This. On form and confident (and away from the spotlight and the freakshow of the clubs he's been at recently) Torres is one of the most complete centre forwards in the world. Bent at his best does one thing very very well - Torres does everything.
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I think Torres has to be loved has to be needed and has to feel like he is the crucial main cog in the machine, otherwise he suffers mentally, needs to get away from Chelsea.
Can you imagine Gabby Agbonlahor and Torres up front, pace, skill, creativity and goals goals goals...
To answer the question, Yes........ without doubt.
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If we swapped Bent for Torres then we would be left with 2 strikers at our club who cant score.....gabby and torres :-\
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Although both can and have proven they can. But don't let that get in the way.
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I don't think that Bent sways that way anyway.
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Id gladly swap all 5 strikers in exchange for torres!
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I don't think that Bent sways that way anyway.
His name suggests he very much does.
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Just to put it into perspective quite how shit Torres now is, Weimann has scored more first team goals since Nov 1st 2011 than Torres has.
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Id gladly swap all 5 strikers in exchange for torres!
Then you're a lunatic.
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Ha ha yes all day
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It's a tough one. Bent given the service will get you 15-20 goals a season. Torres has been hopless at Chelsea but he's still a cracking player.
Great question by the way.
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How long does a player have to be crap before it's accepted they are done? Torres is coming up to 2 years of medicority and yet is still called world class etc by the media and fans.
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Those who think Chelsea is the graveyard of strikers have never been to Aston Villa.
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I would swap Neil Warnock for Robert Mugabe
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I would swap Neil Warnock for Robert Mugabe
Actually...
But Warnock wouldn't know what to do in a choice between 442 and 433.
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I don't see the point of this question.
Is it just some random player from another team against a random player from our team?
Why not Dunne for Samba, or Agbonlahor for Torres, or Bent for Berbatov, or Howard for Given or whoever for whoever?
Can we still swap Steve Sidwell for Messi? Would you buy Steve Sidwell back so we could swap him for Messi?
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It isn't a silly question, it's a bit of fun.
Remember, when we bought Bent the media thought we paid silly money for him. The media then said Liverpool have bought a good player in Carroll, didn't bat an eye lid on his fee, Torres went to Chelsea on silly money yet we're the ones who seem to of had a good return on our investment in Bent.
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In answer to the OP, no.
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The media then said Liverpool have bought a good player in Carroll, didn't bat an eye lid on his fee
That's not how I remember it.
I think pretty everyone realised how mental the fee was from day one - media included.
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The media then said Liverpool have bought a good player in Carroll, didn't bat an eye lid on his fee
That's not how I remember it.
I think pretty everyone realised how mental the fee was from day one - media included.
The way I recall it was the media hailing a bold, ambitious statement of intent from their beloved King Kenny. Not wasting most of a massive windfall on a carthorse with discipline problems.
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Completely agree with Meanwood, the media thought it was a wonderful signing for Liverpool, reminded me of Newcastle signing Shearer in his prime the way they harped on about it.
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Thing is Liverpool are falling into the trap of predominantely buying British, they're paying a shit load for very little talent. To compound matters Dalglish plays Henderson, who I think is a talented player although worth nowhere near what they paid, in the wrong position. It's very amusing, he's essentially taking the O'Neill approach to transfers and it's going to do them in.
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The media seemed to think the fee was justified as Liverpool were "buying potential" where as we all thought it was madness
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Id gladly swap all 5 strikers in exchange for torres!
Then you're a lunatic.
Torres is still top quality and world class just undergoing a blip in confidence but when he scores a few he will be world class , you would rather heskey, bent, gabby and a couple of youngsters than torres - you must be kidding.
torres is the complete striker , gabby isnt a natural goalscorer, bent can finish and nothing more, and heskey is a cabbage , -torres would never come here in a million years though and we would never be able to afford him ,he will soon rediscover his form and be one of the worlds top strikers again.
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Why hasn't he scored in 24 hours then?
That's not a blip in form.
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As I said on the previous page, he's approaching 2 years of mediocrity, how much longer can this be classed as a "blip in form". People have been saying he will rediscover his form for at least 18 months now.
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The situation with Torres is obviously mental, it is not the first time that a guy with all the talent in the world has succumed to the equivilant of writers cramp. He has never recovered from the injury that he had prior to the World Cup.
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Torres is technically good. However, he was best at Liverpool when playing like Bent does for us. Basically, like Dazza, that can entail doing very little over 90 minutes but then putting chances away when called upon to do so. His workrate wasn't great but he scored.
In fairness to Nando, since moving to Chelsea he does work harder for the team and his link play might well be okay, but who cares? He doesn't score any more and his confidence is now down the toilet.
Furthermore, Liverpool sold him at the right time. He's just had a few injuries too many (tail end of Liverpool career and thus far at Chelsea) and he's lost his pace. Teddy Sheringham could out sprint him.
Would I swap? Absolutely not. Bent is delivering for us and when he's back we have the potential to get even more from him.
Above all, Torres wouldn't give a flying fuck about our club and in the highly unlikely event he'd consider joining us it'd be purely to further his career. Bent isn't the most loyal player I know, but he probably appreciates us to some degree, and the size of the club.
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Will Bent play for us again?
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Obviously.
Who would you be expecting him to join?
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Obviously? I admire your confidence.
I would expect him to join anyone who ponies up the cash.
Just saying I wouldn't be surprised if he'd played his last game for us. Always wanted to sign him but we did so too late, and has felt for a long time it's a case of right player, wrong timing.
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Answer: No
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I would expect him to join anyone who ponies up the cash.
I'd agree.
Who did you have in mind?
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Well, that would depend on how much we would ask for, and that I do not know.
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I'd rather swap him for Carroll... on the condition the Scousers gave us £10 million too. Unlikely, unless Bent proves his fitness and wows in the Ukraine.
Spend the extra money on Jordan Rhodes, who I feel could develop into a player like Torres at his best. Carroll, Agbonlahor, Rhodes, Weimann would be one of the best strike options in the league. Still, it's only hypathetical.
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Bent over Tores, although she does have lovely hair.
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Well, that would depend on how much we would ask for, and that I do not know.
Well if we make the fairly safe assumption that we're not going to sell him for less than we bought him for, we're ruling out anyone with less money than Man City, QPR, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd. Or of course a Juventus, Bayern Munich or Anzhi Makhachkala.
I'm sure he'd leave if the right offer came in. I just don't think there's anyone who will make that offer.
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I would, but only if we're allowed to swap Petrov for Xabi Alonso and McLeish for Rafa Benitez too.
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Incredible news re Torres.
He's just scored. Although against Championship opposition, mind.
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Well, that would depend on how much we would ask for, and that I do not know.
Well if we make the fairly safe assumption that we're not going to sell him for less than we bought him for, we're ruling out anyone with less money than Man City, QPR, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd. Or of course a Juventus, Bayern Munich or Anzhi Makhachkala.
I'm sure he'd leave if the right offer came in. I just don't think there's anyone who will make that offer.
I Have a feeling in my bones he could go back home to Sunderland!
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Well, that would depend on how much we would ask for, and that I do not know.
Well if we make the fairly safe assumption that we're not going to sell him for less than we bought him for, we're ruling out anyone with less money than Man City, QPR, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd. Or of course a Juventus, Bayern Munich or Anzhi Makhachkala.
I'm sure he'd leave if the right offer came in. I just don't think there's anyone who will make that offer.
I Have a feeling in my bones he could go back home to Sunderland!
"home"?
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Can't see him back at Sunderland, Doh'Neill has never rated him.
Plus, he wouldn't know a good striker if one tapdanced on his pube covered head.
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ths whole thread is a bit of a twilight zone thing,
but the Bent to Sunderland is of the scale, MON didnt have the balls to buy him when at VP,
either way Bent will be 20mill or there abouts and MON would rather buy 3 or 4 average players with that sort of dough, and put them on long contracts with big wages to boot.
cant see him ever spending 20 mill plus on one player
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Sunderland fans wouldn't want him back either. They might accept it if he comes and bangs in 20 goals for them, but it would take a lot of making up to turn the cats fans back onside.
Like people say, for the money we'd want, and those who could afford him, I can't see anyone wanting Benty. He's a decent player but he's not top 4 standard. Liverpool might be the only possible side, especially as Dalgish likes buying English, but with all they've spent and how little they've reaped (Carling Cup- woopedy doo!) I can't see them bankrolling the move before they've fucked Carroll off. They'll have to take a huge hit on him too.
Other than that, we're the biggest club Bent could play for. Money talks of course but the only club who can afford him aside is QPR, and they might well be in the Championship next season.