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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 08, 2012, 02:28:30 PM
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bbc.co.uk/football
Aston Villa striker Gabriel Agbonlahor says fans' hostility towards manager Alex McLeish is affecting the players.
Agbonlahor said that supporters needed to get behind McLeish who moved to Villa Park from rivals Birmingham City in the summer.
"It does have an impact on the players and does affect them when fans are not backing the manager and not turning up in games," said Agbonlahor.
Agbonlahor added: "The fans are entitled to their opinions, but the chairman [Randy Lerner] has made a choice in bringing the manager here and everyone has got to get behind him.
"I think it affects the players otherwise. You only have to look at the situation at Blackburn where Steve Kean has been getting a lot of abuse.
"In previous years the fans have got behind the team no matter what and that helps the players.
"If they really get behind the team and the players, it gives everyone a lift."
McLeish said he had the experience to handle supporters' criticism after his men were booed off the pitch following a 0-0 draw at Wigan on 25 February.
It was the among a series of hostile incidents from fans since he took over at the club at the start of the season.
Villa have drawn or lost their previous five Premier League matches, leaving them with 30 points after 27 games.
Protests against McLeish began even before his appointment as Villa manager.
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Didn't he say last week that he didn't notice the fans?
Getting sick of all these excuses.
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Whereas he was telling it how it really is the title of this thread would read:
"Gabby - Manager's negativity affects players and fans"
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I just get the feeling that this is a line from the club trying to use Gabby to encourage fans to get behind the team ahead of Saturday’s game. He did say that he didn’t hear the fans during and after the Wigan game.
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I think they just got his quote the wrong way round. What it should have said was:
'Players negativity affects fans'
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It would all be so much better if McLeish just f*cked off.
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Statement seems very much as if Gabby is in the same boat as the majority of fans. A quote like...
"The fans are entitled to their opinions, but the chairman [Randy Lerner] has made a choice in bringing the manager here and everyone has got to get behind him."
...seems very much like he also wasn't happy with the appointment. There aren't really any quotes backing McLeish. I think he has said words of support to him before and even then, they looked very forced.
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"It does have an impact on the players and does affect them when fans are not backing the manager and not turning up in games,"
Why don't the players try turning up every now and again?
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Walnuts - 'Players' negativity affects fans'
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Maybe they should win a few bloody games, Maybe Gabby should keep off the smack he can't remember what he's saying from one week to the next.
Maybe they should all fuck off
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Gabby and the rest should concentrate on doing there jobs instead of moaning about us moaning about the manager.
I think that with all things considered McL has had it pretty easy.
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I think that with all things considered McL has had it pretty easy.
I agree.
The media bang on as if he gets crucified every game.
Most people I know stepped back and were willing to give him a chance.
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Gabby and the rest should concentrate on doing there jobs instead of moaning about us moaning about the manager.
If a representative from any other industry told their paying customers, which is essentially what fans are at the end of the day, to stop complaining . . . well . . . British Gas, BT etc etc would be happy as they could close their call centres down.
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Walnuts - 'Players' negativity affects fans'
Club negativity killing all optimism and hope.
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I think that with all things considered McL has had it pretty easy.
I agree.
The media bang on as if he gets crucified every game.
Most people I know stepped back and were willing to give him a chance.
I think he's hard a pretty easy ride of it, certainly at home games.
I'm sure Houllier was getting the banners waved at him well before the crowd started giving McLeish grief at home.
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How about trying to fucking win a match whilst being paid 50k plus a week and start giving a fuck!
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I think that with all things considered McL has had it pretty easy.
I agree.
The media bang on as if he gets crucified every game.
Most people I know stepped back and were willing to give him a chance.
I think he's hard a pretty easy ride of it, certainly at home games.
Absolutely.
The general consensus was
'Fucking hell, what a bizarre appointment, we'll just have to give him a chance and see what he can do.'
Sadly, it's turned out exactly how we all expected it to.
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Gabby can't really say anything else under the circumstances can he? Every time a Villa player gets interviewed at the moment there is a giant elephant in the room, namely the astonishing ineptitude of our manager.
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Gabby can't really say anything else under the circumstances can he? Every time a Villa player gets interviewed at the moment there is a giant elephant in the room, namely the astonishing ineptitude of our manager.
I bet Gabby didn't even read that statement, never mind write/say it.
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Gabby is being used to pull on the heart strings of the fans for sure.
The piss take is he had said he didn't hear it only 10 days ago...
As for home support, McLeish has had a walk in the park. I was amazed that during the Swansea or QPR games there were not some real anti McLeish chants going on, but I think Fulham get ahead this weekend and he is in for it, and unlike Houllier who had supporters, I think McLeish will get most of the ground singing at him. He needs to wake up and realise how much the fans don't want him. We're not fickle, he is shit.
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Carlos Cuellar was on SSN yesterday saying that we ought to get behind McLeish. If only the players would give us something to cheer and sing about, we would!!
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How about trying to fucking win a match whilst being paid 50k plus a week and start giving a fuck!
This x ten
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Sack Mctwat
40,000 + Will be down VP cheering and singing, It would be like VE day in Piccadilly Circus
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Manager's negativity affects fans...
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Actually Gabby, ask yourself a question. What position do you like to play? Eh, what's that? Centre forward? Seems to me, McLeish (and Houllier) think you're a left winger once Bent is out. Does that not tell you how shit the current (and past) Manager is. So, shut the fuck up, start scoring goals and get on with your job. WE ARE RIGHT. You, sadly, are wrong. Very wrong. MCLEISH OUT!!
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I think Gabby has been put up to this.
I also think that McLeish has had a very easy time. 'Fans hate McLeish' is just the lazy journalism the papers fill their pages with.
I would go so far as to say that it is the duty of every loyal Villa fan to give the manager, the owner and the board plenty of criticism.
Why do I say that? I will tell you.
Decisions were made at the highest level in the club to allow O'Neill to present himself to the world of football and beyond as being terribly wronged by Aston Villa. Not a single word of defence was made public by the club. That was the first refusal by the board and the owner to place any value on the feelings and the sensitivities of the fans.
The second instance was the appointment of an old man with health problems who openly preferred his ties to Liverpool to ties with Aston Villa. Houllier was the board's man. No thought at all was given to the fact that the fans could not get on with him and that the Frenchman did not care.
The third instance was the appointment at very considerable expense the failed manager of our bitterest rivals. I do not suppose anybody in authority at Villa Park ever even gave a second thought to the supporters' feelings and even if they did the answer would have come back "We run the club, not the fans. If they don't like it they can lump it."
The fourth instance of disregard for the fans is the totally deliberate pursuit of percentage, safety first football. I do not suppose for one minute that anybody on the board has ever given a second thought to giving the fans value for the money they pay to get to and to watch Villa games.
The fifth instance of disregard for the feelings of the fans has been the selling of our best players. Big offer comes in, player goes out. Not the slightest consideration is given to the fact that most of us would prefer to watch James Milner in a Villa shirt than Charles N'Zogbia.
Five glaring instances which illustrate the mind set of those who run Aston Villa that the fans' feelings are of no consequence whatever.
The only time fans start to be considered to have any importance are the circumstances Rangers find themselves in. When everything else has gone there are still the fans. They will still be there.
That is what is wrong with Gabby's statement. The fans are the ones who have to do all the pain, not the players. I am genuinely surprised that Gabby allowed himself to be used to criticize the fans.
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It's a nothing story, the club told him to say it.
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Pravda spin. I doubt if he said any of the previous. Words put in high-profile mouths.
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Championship Manager.End of.
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Another reason to send Mcleish packing, his continued presence is creating divisions in the Aston Villa family. To the point that players are now criticising the fans.
He might have a point if it was just a few B-lose obsessed nutjobs unhappy with Big Eck. Unfortunately it seems to be the vast majority of ordinary folk too.
Fan's reactions on matchday (those weird non protests aside) are generally spontaneous, a reaction to ongoing events. As such, asking a whole body of individual fans to suppress their feelings is a pointless endeavour (not to mention a bit Soviet). Almost as pointless as attacking players in a Big Eck formation.
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He is shit and not fit to manage Aston Villa.
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Another reason to send Mcleish packing, his continued presence is creating divisions in the Aston Villa family.
This is something i hinted on a few weeks ago. You need unity in the stands, not just on the pitch.
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Agbonlahor added: "The fans are entitled to their opinions.....
Yes we are. The football this season has been mostly gash.
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It's all the fan's fault as usual. Never the incompetence of the manager or the ineptitude of the players.
Go to The Emirates, or Anfield or Old Trafford. The fans in sit silence and moan like fuck about everything. You'll never see those clubs in the botton 6 in March.
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Manager's negativity affects fans...
Amen
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I think that it will get ugly on Saturday. People say that Fulham don't travel well but we are a soft touch at home this season and I think they'll cause us problems. The afternoon could well turn out to more about the silent majority making their feelings known rather than the football.
The question is, if the fans turn on McLeish in a big way, will he stick it out or quit while he's behind? If it kicks off against the manager and the Chairman witnesses the hostility, will he act?
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'I cant wait for the season to finish'
'I cant hear the fans'
' stop moaning and get behind the manager '
ffs , shut up , get your head down and maybe you might score a goal.
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He's going nowhere. Mr. Lerner, Sir is an ostrich.
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Being an overpaid attacker and not scoring for 5 months also creates negativity with the fans. maybe Gabby should focus on what he's being paid for.
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It's a shame, I cant think of anything the players could do to stop the fan's negativity...
Well. apart from scoring some goals and winning some games of course.
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Gabby is being used to pull on the heart strings of the fans for sure.
The piss take is he had said he didn't hear it only 10 days ago...
As for home support, McLeish has had a walk in the park. I was amazed that during the Swansea or QPR games there were not some real anti McLeish chants going on, but I think Fulham get ahead this weekend and he is in for it, and unlike Houllier who had supporters, I think McLeish will get most of the ground singing at him. He needs to wake up and realise how much the fans don't want him. We're not fickle, he is shit.
I agree; the next two home games will see the place turn on him if it isn't a decent performance/result - are we allowed to boo in the Upper Trinity?
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If Gabby has really said this he's just doing the same that most of us have become resigned to. He's our manager, he may be shit, we'd prefer somebody else, but we can't do anything about it so get behind the team.
I'm sure the players and the supporters DO want to get behind the team but the owner, manager and under-performing players make that very difficult to do!
AM has definitely had an easy ride but the distaste for his shit football and what he is doing to our club will spread to ALL supporters eventually. Hopefully not when it's too late!
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Gabby is being used to pull on the heart strings of the fans for sure.
The piss take is he had said he didn't hear it only 10 days ago...
As for home support, McLeish has had a walk in the park. I was amazed that during the Swansea or QPR games there were not some real anti McLeish chants going on, but I think Fulham get ahead this weekend and he is in for it, and unlike Houllier who had supporters, I think McLeish will get most of the ground singing at him. He needs to wake up and realise how much the fans don't want him. We're not fickle, he is shit.
I agree; the next two home games will see the place turn on him if it isn't a decent performance/result - are we allowed to boo in the Upper Trinity?
No, just stamp your feet under your blankets.
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I think Gabby has been put up to this.
I also think that McLeish has had a very easy time. 'Fans hate McLeish' is just the lazy journalism the papers fill their pages with.
I would go so far as to say that it is the duty of every loyal Villa fan to give the manager, the owner and the board plenty of criticism.
Why do I say that? I will tell you.
Decisions were made at the highest level in the club to allow O'Neill to present himself to the world of football and beyond as being terribly wronged by Aston Villa. Not a single word of defence was made public by the club. That was the first refusal by the board and the owner to place any value on the feelings and the sensitivities of the fans.
The second instance was the appointment of an old man with health problems who openly preferred his ties to Liverpool to ties with Aston Villa. Houllier was the board's man. No thought at all was given to the fact that the fans could not get on with him and that the Frenchman did not care.
The third instance was the appointment at very considerable expense the failed manager of our bitterest rivals. I do not suppose anybody in authority at Villa Park ever even gave a second thought to the supporters' feelings and even if they did the answer would have come back "We run the club, not the fans. If they don't like it they can lump it."
The fourth instance of disregard for the fans is the totally deliberate pursuit of percentage, safety first football. I do not suppose for one minute that anybody on the board has ever given a second thought to giving the fans value for the money they pay to get to and to watch Villa games.
The fifth instance of disregard for the feelings of the fans has been the selling of our best players. Big offer comes in, player goes out. Not the slightest consideration is given to the fact that most of us would prefer to watch James Milner in a Villa shirt than Charles N'Zogbia.
Five glaring instances which illustrate the mind set of those who run Aston Villa that the fans' feelings are of no consequence whatever.
The only time fans start to be considered to have any importance are the circumstances Rangers find themselves in. When everything else has gone there are still the fans. They will still be there.
That is what is wrong with Gabby's statement. The fans are the ones who have to do all the pain, not the players. I am genuinely surprised that Gabby allowed himself to be used to criticize the fans.
Great stuff, could not agree more
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Try and give us the guilt trip?! You forced this mess onto us
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It would all be so much better if McLeish just f*cked off.
That's not really practical though is it?
If we sacked managers based on fans say-so, we would be going through a different manager every day.
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I see the lips move but all I hear is blah blah blah
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Gabby could do with getting his finger out. Great start to the season but has fizzled out totally. Chance to wrap up victory against Blackburn and he blew it. In his mid 20's now and its time for him to start delivering consistent performances.
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Re: Gabby - 'Fans negativity affects players'
I hate these type of bullshit statements! How about making a statement along the lines of "we know we've been mind blowingly shocking at times, and our gutless performances against Spurs, Liverpool, Man Utd and Man City were an embarrassment, and as professional footballers it was simply unacceptable, and for that we apologise to our fans who are the lifeblood of every football club and we totally understand their feeling of rage at the moment."
Start pulling your finger out Gabby. Bust a gut, give it everything you have cus that's what ever single one of us would do if we were blessed with enough talent to be a professional footballer. You shouldn't need a manager to be telling you how to play, you've been playing the game all your life. So just get on with it! Start earning your wages, score some goals, show some passion, win some games. Then you'll see some passion from the fans!! Otherwise just say not at all!
UTV
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Gabby is as much to blame as any of the players. He's not been good enough this season, albeit playing out of position, but if he was truely a good enoguh forward we'd never have boguht Bent in the first place to dislodge him from his favoured position. He's lucky he's a fans favourite at the moment, as he's not really contributed a fat lot since November.
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Fair enough. But 'players' negativity affects fans' would be equally fair.
It's becoming clear that the club are more than aware of the feeling among (some) fans right now, so we've got Agbonlahor speaking out in defence of the manager, and Petrov insisted the owner is some sort of regular spectator at training sessions, or at least attends more often than everyone realises.
It needs a bit more than this to calm concerns, however.
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People need to remember we have a lot of kids in the side and of course they're going to be affected if every misatke is pounced on at home. It's obvious they prefer to play away at the moment and it has to be a factor in the dire home run
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Well said Greg. Why not pop down there and give 'em a shout?
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Well said Greg. Why not pop down there and give 'em a shout?
Snigger
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People need to remember we have a lot of kids in the side and of course they're going to be affected if every misatke is pounced on at home. It's obvious they prefer to play away at the moment and it has to be a factor in the dire home run
Well said Greg. Why not pop down there and give 'em a shout?
Oh, Greg, you do walk straight into it some times.
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depends if you believe i haven't been down Paulie. I keep stum because its nice seeing Percy making a twat of himself and not realising it
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I dont know if Gabby ever visits the hallowed halls of H&V, but Gabby if you do, please be careful. Towing the line and being a media whore puppet will turn the fans against you.
I would say aprox 80% of fans would list GA as their favourite player - great to watch, loyal and truly one of us, not someone thats been brought in and taken to heart but a local lad and one of the fans. I dont know if its in his contract to have to give press releases when called upon but it doesnt fucking wash - we are not stupid. If the team are so behind the manager why are they not playing for him? If they are and are indeed giving him 100% then we are failing because his management ability is crap and the cause of why we are where we are . Thus making our negativity towards him is justified.
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Another problem with public statements like this is that it will give a boost to the opposition. Martin Jol can just let his team talk be about letting the Villa fans get on the team's back, and feed off the negativity on the pitch.
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It's not easy when the player who admitted a week ago that he can't wait for the season to end is now discussing fans' negativity.
Villa isn't a happy place at the moment; the club know it. So they will be leaning on the likes of Gabby - popular players - to try and put out these kind of interviews.
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Best if Gabby keeps his mouth shut from now on.
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I'm sorry you took it as a dig Greg, I thought you raised a good point. I hope you are coming down, let's face it, we need everyone we can drag in there at the moment.
Come and introduce yourself if you're at the Bolton game, I'll be selling a new issue opposite the church.
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depends if you believe i haven't been down Paulie. I keep stum because its nice seeing Percy making a twat of himself and not realising it
Normally i look out for people with 'gregnash' on the back of their top. How else would i know if he's there?
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He wouldn't give the game away that easily. He'd rather keep it a secret because apparently if you believed him when he said he doesn't go that makes you look a twat.
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Barry Bannon is on talksport in a bit , expect alot of the same
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Gabby, we all appreciate the fact you would bend over backwards if Aston Villa asked you to, however there comes a time when other than a captain you simply have to abandon a sinking ship and sometimes its necessary to do that to bring about change, change is what's needed and to believe that Gabby who only a couple of seasons ago was well and truly on the up in his career and the club he played for, can't now see this difference beggars belief.
Not buying Gabbs and actually you need to wise up because you yourself have been sidelined for a 20ML player who I can't tell the difference if he's in the side or not and in actual fact Gabby himself was doing every bit as good a job when we where competing at the top, if not better, silly silly comments.
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Best if Gabby keeps his mouth shut from now on.
....and his trouser zip :)
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He wouldn't give the game away that easily. He'd rather keep it a secret because apparently if you believed him when he said he doesn't go that makes you look a twat.
well i was outed on here for attending Villa Park a good year ago by another Forumer so I'm sorry you never saw it. Presumably this was when you were MIA from here for 6 months after the pube-headed one deserted you so i'll let you off for not updating your wallchart.
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He wouldn't give the game away that easily. He'd rather keep it a secret because apparently if you believed him when he said he doesn't go that makes you look a twat.
well i was outed on here for attending Villa Park a good year ago by another Forumer so I'm sorry you never saw it. Presumably this was when you were MIA from here for 6 months after the pube-headed one deserted you so i'll let you off for not updating your wallchart.
You're confusing me with someone else Greg, I never stopped posting when O'Neill left, it's easily checked if you can be bothered. I obviously wasn't paying attention when you were outed. Sorry if that makes you feel insignificant.
Not interested in the olive branch then?
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I think Gabby has been put up to this.
I also think that McLeish has had a very easy time. 'Fans hate McLeish' is just the lazy journalism the papers fill their pages with.
I would go so far as to say that it is the duty of every loyal Villa fan to give the manager, the owner and the board plenty of criticism.
Why do I say that? I will tell you.
Decisions were made at the highest level in the club to allow O'Neill to present himself to the world of football and beyond as being terribly wronged by Aston Villa. Not a single word of defence was made public by the club. That was the first refusal by the board and the owner to place any value on the feelings and the sensitivities of the fans.
The second instance was the appointment of an old man with health problems who openly preferred his ties to Liverpool to ties with Aston Villa. Houllier was the board's man. No thought at all was given to the fact that the fans could not get on with him and that the Frenchman did not care.
The third instance was the appointment at very considerable expense the failed manager of our bitterest rivals. I do not suppose anybody in authority at Villa Park ever even gave a second thought to the supporters' feelings and even if they did the answer would have come back "We run the club, not the fans. If they don't like it they can lump it."
The fourth instance of disregard for the fans is the totally deliberate pursuit of percentage, safety first football. I do not suppose for one minute that anybody on the board has ever given a second thought to giving the fans value for the money they pay to get to and to watch Villa games.
The fifth instance of disregard for the feelings of the fans has been the selling of our best players. Big offer comes in, player goes out. Not the slightest consideration is given to the fact that most of us would prefer to watch James Milner in a Villa shirt than Charles N'Zogbia.
Five glaring instances which illustrate the mind set of those who run Aston Villa that the fans' feelings are of no consequence whatever.
The only time fans start to be considered to have any importance are the circumstances Rangers find themselves in. When everything else has gone there are still the fans. They will still be there.
That is what is wrong with Gabby's statement. The fans are the ones who have to do all the pain, not the players. I am genuinely surprised that Gabby allowed himself to be used to criticize the fans.
I agree with almost all of this but I find the statement "Not the slightest consideration is given to the fact that most of us would prefer to watch James Milner in a Villa shirt than Charles N'Zogbia" slightly bizarre. For a start Milner left a year before N'Zogbia joined, for another thing when moneybags Man City call there is little a club that failed to qualify for the champions league can do (just as there will be little Arsenal will be able to do to stop Van Persie going to them if they fail to finish in the top 4). And N'Zogbia was brought in to replace Steward Downing. After the manner of Downing's departure, would Villa fans prefer to see him in a Villa shirt to N'Zogbia?
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Gabby is as much to blame as any of the players. He's not been good enough this season, albeit playing out of position, but if he was truely a good enoguh forward we'd never have boguht Bent in the first place to dislodge him from his favoured position. He's lucky he's a fans favourite at the moment, as he's not really contributed a fat lot since November.
I'd disagree that Gabby has not been good enough this season. He's been his usual self. A few runs where he's looked sheer class punctuated by runs where he's looked poor. It's the same every season and exactly why I get irritated when people say that he's absolutely world class during one of his hot streaks or when someone says get rid when he's doing his best impression of the spare prick at a whore's wedding. He's a very good, if somewhat inconsistent player.
I dare say that he will be embarking on another hot streak in a few weeks.
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It's not easy when the player who admitted a week ago that he can't wait for the season to end is now discussing fans' negativity.
Villa isn't a happy place at the moment; the club know it. So they will be leaning on the likes of Gabby - popular players - to try and put out these kind of interviews.
Also he did make reference to the 'good old days' some weeks ago in regards to his strike partnership with Carew.
The talk of the overhaul of the squad, with seemingly a bulk of the players being shown the door can't help morale much. This talk may be a ruse to encourage players to play for their AV future, but it may conversely encourage players to think why should I bother putting my all in for each game anyway, thinking they'll just play out their skins if any scouts are in.
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I think in this case we could describe Gabby as a "useful idiot."
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What did Bannan say?
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Gabby is as much to blame as any of the players. He's not been good enough this season, albeit playing out of position, but if he was truely a good enoguh forward we'd never have boguht Bent in the first place to dislodge him from his favoured position. He's lucky he's a fans favourite at the moment, as he's not really contributed a fat lot since November.
I'd disagree that Gabby has not been good enough this season. He's been his usual self. A few runs where he's looked sheer class punctuated by runs where he's looked poor. It's the same every season and exactly why I get irritated when people say that he's absolutely world class during one of his hot streaks or when someone says get rid when he's doing his best impression of the spare prick at a whore's wedding. He's a very good, if somewhat inconsistent player.
I dare say that he will be embarking on another hot streak in a few weeks.
I hope he does, we bloody need it right now. I like Gabby a lot. If only he had that knack of making those runs like Bent does he might just have played more games up front instead of the wing.
I don't believe his finishing is any worse than Bent's but Bent makes so many chances for himself because of his ability to get in there.
Time for him to come good and finish the season on a good note.
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I dont know if Gabby ever visits the hallowed halls of H&V, but Gabby if you do, please be careful. Towing the line and being a media whore puppet will turn the fans against you.
I would say aprox 80% of fans would list GA as their favourite player - great to watch, loyal and truly one of us, not someone thats been brought in and taken to heart but a local lad and one of the fans. I dont know if its in his contract to have to give press releases when called upon but it doesnt fucking wash - we are not stupid. If the team are so behind the manager why are they not playing for him? If they are and are indeed giving him 100% then we are failing because his management ability is crap and the cause of why we are where we are . Thus making our negativity towards him is justified.
80%! well I must be in the minority then. I dont think the word great applies to Agbonlahor.For gods sake the most hes ever scored is about thirteen league goals.Loyal...he lives in Brum has an easy life with plenty of money and shows no intention of leaving the area to improve himself. Hes not one of us he's a player we are supporters.
Some of you lads seem to think he should be talked of in the same breath as Hitchens Hateley Gray and Withe that really is laughable.Hes about as good as Dougan was at Villa Park...and that is poor
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Anyway, isn't he just trying to say the '12th man' now inadvertently plays for the opposition? in which case you can't blame him for trying to do or say something about it - even if it won't make any difference.
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What did Bannan say?
No idea Phil , I was expecting crap Ive heard before so didnt bother.