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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: TonyD on March 04, 2012, 07:39:12 PM
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Nobody in a rain of pig's puddings would have said after MON walked that our next two managers would GH and AM. You would have been laughed out of the bookies if you tried that as a double bet.
So when the time comes who will he go for next? Not who you think is available or would be your choice, but who RL will pick!
Some leftfield thinking required!
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Chris Hughton or Paul Lambert
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What if this whole Alex Mcleish debacle was just a ploy to soften up the Villa fans for Shteve Mclaren? Though I guess he performance at Forest must have put even Randy off.
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Peter Reid.
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We wouldn't be in this mess if they'd listened to me in the summer and appointed eddie hitler
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Too obvious so far. Think harder. It is going to somebody that you will think WTF!
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TonyD: I'm going to be the eternal optimist here and say......Yes, Mr Flores and I base that on the basic principle in any walk of life, if you are going to offer someone a job and the candidate for the position not only is qualified but goes on record saying " I want to work for you" "I want to be the boss at Villa park", then you've not only got a manager you've got the cream on the cake as well.
How often do you here a manager come out and say I want to manage that team, not very often, watch how things develop for the Chelsea job, regardless of who the chairman takes on, see who actually stands up and says "I want the job", for me when someone has the stones to say that and they have the credentials you go and get them.
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No one. McLeish will be our manager for evermore!
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Mourinho or Pep Guardiola clearly. Given the ambition levels at Villa Park.
Seriously, other than Steve Keen, there isn't another Premier League Manager who I wouldn't swap McLeish for.
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We wouldn't be in this mess if they'd listened to me in the summer and appointed eddie hitler
Now that would be immense, Warnock fucks up and he'd get twatted with a frying pan, Richard Richard as our 1st team coach, Spudgun as physio, Hedgehog can take Faulkners job.
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Too obvious so far. Think harder. It is going to somebody that you will think WTF!
Martin O'Niell
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Would love it if he did the swing the way towards reason and sign Flores. But I think it more likely to be Bruce Arena or Barry Fry.
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Too obvious so far. Think harder. It is going to somebody that you will think WTF!
Chris Hoddle
Gareth Southgate...
I mean these are classic WTF options ;D
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Tony Mowbray. He has the crucial Premier League experience.
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Mike Bassett-England manager.
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I'd actually like Southgate here in some capacity.
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Andy Gray, the player who left to win things with Wolves, is obviously throwing his cap into the ring with his grovelling article in today's Mercury.
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I wouldn't mind Glenn Hoddle, more likely be Frank Clark.
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A N Other usless prick.
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Pearce after the Euro's.
Wouldn't cost much and is shit.
Solved!
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Andy Gray, the player who left to win things with Wolves, is obviously throwing his cap into the ring with his grovelling article in today's Mercury.
That would do for me.
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Glen Hoddle is in the right ball park.
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Cheri Lunghi.
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Pearce after the Euro's.
Wouldn't cost much and is shit.
Solved!
;D
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Cheri Lunghi.
Always good when she got her kit off in the 80s.
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Glen Hoddle..........wow
OK then we have to throw Kevin Keegan in there.
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Paul Gascoigne.
Alan Shearer.
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Alan Sugar.
Used to working with bankers and there peculiar out world, not of this planet mentality, man manager, and if the lads don't perform not only will they not get paid, "your fired"
Might be a whole new benchmark in Football management.
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Avram Grant could be a candidate. Joy.
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well he must have premiership experience for the board to even consider him. Pathalogical hatred of defending would be nice and a gung-ho approach to attacking at all costs to satisfy the fans
Gentlemen i give you our new manager(http://images.footballfancast.com.s3.amazonaws.com/players/300px/blackpool/Ian-Holloway.jpg)
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Cheri Lunghi.
Always good when she got her kit off in the 80s.
Can't believe it's over 20 years since The Manageress. And I just realised I missed the E off Cherie.
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Mike Bassett.
We had four years of Mike Bassett before he walked out on us.
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Nigel Adkins, Southampton
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well he must have premiership experience for the board to even consider him. Pathalogical hatred of defending would be nice and a gung-ho approach to attacking at all costs to satisfy the fans
Gentlemen i give you our new manager(http://images.footballfancast.com.s3.amazonaws.com/players/300px/blackpool/Ian-Holloway.jpg)
But isn't the filming of the Hobbit in production at the moment?
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Tommy Brown, Fulchester United
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Trevor Francis.
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well he must have premiership experience for the board to even consider him. Pathalogical hatred of defending would be nice and a gung-ho approach to attacking at all costs to satisfy the fans
Gentlemen i give you our new manager(http://images.footballfancast.com.s3.amazonaws.com/players/300px/blackpool/Ian-Holloway.jpg)
But isn't the filming of the Hobbit in production at the moment?
Yes there's no doubt he's a canny cheeky chap, tell you what, Villa would wipe that geeky smile of his chops and make no mistake.
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I'll do it.
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Barry Fry.
Another ex bluenose but it will be a laugh.
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I'll do it.
Not me, fans are to fickle ;D
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Glenn Roeder.
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I'm sure I could do better. I could hardly do any worse.
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I'll do it.
A week later the ground burns down and a meteor hits BH.
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Would rather have Holloway than McLeish.
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Tommy Docherty.
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Sir GT III.
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I wouldn't mind Glenn Hoddle, more likely be Frank Clark.
isn't he dead? Clark I mean, not Hoddle.
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I would like a triangular set up with 3 coaches interchanging from game to game and sometime during the match. The 3 should be Peter Pan, Mike Bassett and Roy Race. They should all be signed on a 3 year contract so that we can pay £12M compensation in one go rather than 3 times over 3 years. We should also appoint Zorba the Greek as Director of Football so that he can buy all the has beens from Europe on long term fat contracts.
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Sir GT III.
Joking aside we need someone like Sir GT 1. Someone who will take charge and lift us out from this mess of the last few years.
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We are the Greece of the Premier League.
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Anyone other than McLeish even Mouthgate!
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I wouldn't mind Glenn Hoddle, more likely be Frank Clark.
isn't he dead? Clark I mean, not Hoddle.
I thought he was chairman of Forest these days?
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Graeme Souness
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More seriously Paul Lambert
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Or just go back to basics.
In a nod to our golden period pre WW1, run the thing via committee again and have a selection panel. Seems to work in cricket.
Maybe one doughnut would be foolish enough to still opt for Ivanhoe, but hopefully the other four would shout him down. And give him a pair of Irish sunglasses.
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I wouldn't mind Glenn Hoddle, more likely be Frank Clark.
isn't he dead? Clark I mean, not Hoddle.
Is he? I'm still not ruling him out.
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More seriously Pail Lambert
To see him as Villa manager is on my bucket list.
I'll get me coat.
Edit: Damn, you edited it!
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I wouldn't mind Glenn Hoddle, more likely be Frank Clark.
isn't he dead? Clark I mean, not Hoddle.
I thought he was chairman of Forest these days?
So he is. Could have sworn he was 6ft under.
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Don Barker.
He'll do a fine job up until he impales or star player on a coat hook.
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We are the Greece of the Premier League.
They won the European Championship.
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Don Barker.
He'll do a fine job up until he impales or star player on a coat hook.
Or blackmails their wives into sex.
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DOL so the board can pretend the last few years were a particulary vivid day-dream like when Bobby Ewing came out of the shower after 5 years. He'd also be able to call the team "just kids" and have a point
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Martin Laursen is currently managing in the Danish Second Division East...
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Me.
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He said appoint, not anoint.
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Well I think anybody would freshen it up.a bit
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Billy McNeill
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AVB or Lambert for me
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Trevor Francis.
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Top 3 so far:
Hoddle
Hollaway
Pearce.
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Martin Laursen is currently managing in the Danish Second Division East...
Tempting...No, really, Sack AM now and give ML till the end of the season. We'd be 9-12th.
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I'm going Paul Daniels and his glamourous assistant Debbie McGee...now that's magic.
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Lee clarke....
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Laursen assisted by his best mate Olof! Perfect. I'd take that.
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Mick McCarthy.
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Bear with me on this one....... Emile Heskey, Player manager. Probably won't pick himself as he'll want to concentrate on the job in hand. okay so he has no mangerial record at all, but......probably won't pick himself.
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Bear with me on this one....... Emile Heskey, Player manager. Probably won't pick himself as he'll want to concentrate on the job in hand. okay so he has no mangerial record at all, but......probably won't pick himself.
Ho-ho!
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We are the Greece of the Premier League.
They won the European Championship.
And we won the European Cup... but look at us now.
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Ken Dodd
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Steve Bruce
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I'm going with Leeg. At least he's cheap! Or so I've heard!
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Ruud Gullit.
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The Great Successor - Kim Jong-un.
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Andy Gray, the player who left to win things with Wolves, is obviously throwing his cap into the ring with his grovelling article in today's Mercury.
That would do for me.
Andy Gray had his chance when he worked with Ron Atkinson, but he sold his soul to Sky
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Andy Gray, the player who left to win things with Wolves, is obviously throwing his cap into the ring with his grovelling article in today's Mercury.
That would do for me.
Andy Gray had his chance when he worked with Ron Atkinson, but he sold his soul to Sky
I didn't think we could be more of a joke... but...
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Paul Jewell. We just need to reach a compensation agreement with Ipswich. I think they'll settle for £5million.
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Sir GT III.
How about Sir Graham as Director of football with Martin Lausen as manager.
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Christian Gross
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Paul Peschisolido
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I wonder what John Bond is up to these days.
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Because the most important criteria is that the manager supports the board's 'shared vision' for the club: Erik Weihenmayer.
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My choice would be Brian McDermott - gets extremely average players to play very well as a team. Reading have a great defensive record too, only shipped 28 goals in the league so far this season!
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Paul Peschisolido
Failing that, Alpay Ozalan.
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Mrs Paul Peschisolido.
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Ron Saunders with David Platt as his No2
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Darren Ferguson I am sure he could find somebody to give him a reference which might impress Randy Lerner.
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My choice would be Brian McDermott - gets extremely average players to play very well as a team. Reading have a great defensive record too, only shipped 28 goals in the league so far this season!
Just signed a new contract hasn't he?
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Hopkin's milkman.
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My choice would be Brian McDermott - gets extremely average players to play very well as a team. Reading have a great defensive record too, only shipped 28 goals in the league so far this season!
Just signed a new contract hasn't he?
You could be right, wasn't it to ward off the Wolves interest?
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We are the Greece of the Premier League.
More like lard of the PL.
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I give you Dr Jozef Venglos- a man ahead of his time and now back to save us
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Lee Hendrie - player/manager
He could lead by example!
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Sgt Wilko.
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Darren Ferguson.
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Whoever he appoints, he needs to remove "premier league experience" from the top of the list.
I suspect he won't, though.
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Whoever he appoints, he needs to remove "premier league experience" from the top of the list.
I suspect he won't, though.
That just leaves Tick Mick then.
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Id have gerry mcann over mcleish
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Simon Grayson with SGT111 on the board as mentor
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What's Howard Wilkinson up to these days? I'm sure he'd be the man to get Benty firing!
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Barry Fry.
Another ex bluenose but it will be a laugh.
Agree with that.
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Mrs Paul Peschisolido.
Geoff Horsfield shagged her as well on a regular basis, we hear.
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Roberto Di'Matteo...damn, too late
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Pele. Apparently he knows how to solve being too soft and will harden us up.
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Ron Wylie.
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Charlie Aitken.
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Paul McGrath
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Ricardo scimeca
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Jimmy Cumbes.
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Why not take a punt on geoff stelling
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A new car park attendant.
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Why not take a punt on geoff stelling
Good shout that, bring in Merse as his bad cop number two.
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Bruce Arena.
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Phil Neville.
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Bob Bradley
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Bradley from eastenders
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Bradley from eastenders
What, are they are going to let Faulkner manage the team as well?
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After weeks of speculation aston villa have appointed nicky keye as manager. She leaves behind her role as head of consumer sales and will take her first training session in the morning.
Would it surprise us!?
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Steve Keen after his managerial masterclass yesterday
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I heard we are talking to AVB.
In my fucking dreams.
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Bruce Arena.
Tina Arena
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Bear with me on this one....... Emile Heskey, Player manager. Probably won't pick himself as he'll want to concentrate on the job in hand. okay so he has no mangerial record at all, but......probably won't pick himself.
Nailed on for a player coach role in the summer.
John Blackwell suggested Rivaldo (or some second division Norwegian player) a few years back as the perfect mentor for our Academy graduates.
That's all well and good, but when you have Ivanhoe already at the club why dine out?
Keane tried his own version of the Heskey shuffle v Man Citeh at home early into the game. So if a senior pro like that isn't too proud to learn from the master, our kids should be falling over themselves to do likewise.
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Keane tried his own version of the Heskey shuffle v Man Citeh at home early into the game. So if a senior pro like that isn't too proud to learn from the master, our kids should be falling over themselves to do likewise.
If they aren't falling over themselves, I'm sure Heskey could teach them that as well.
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On reflection, I think he'll appoint whoever Ferguson tells him to.
Steve Bruce?
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On reflection, I think he'll appoint whoever Ferguson tells him to.
Steve Bruce?
He would not do a second bloke with strong blues connections after this surely?
Bruce is better than McLeish. Just.
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I think Randy will appoint:
An offensive Coach
A defensive Coach
A Quarterback Coach
All from his failing Brown's Franchise..............
That'll solve our problems ;)
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Actually, is getting AVB in the summer too far fetched?
He's blotted his Premier League copybook now (although I'm sure there will be jobs waiting for him in Europe) but I think with less pressure he'd be great.
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Off-topic, but AVB was a dead man walking at Chelsea, Lampard, Terry, Cole & Drogba rule that dressing room. He had no chance. Those sort of players have seen many a manager come and go, whilst acheiving relativley nothing on the ptich for a couple of years.
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...and long may it continue.
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Stan Collymore, with Alan Brazil as assistant.
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I have a sneaky feeling it will be Glenn Roeder next.
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I think he should appoint me, for the following reasons:
1. I have a huge amount of Premier League experience [I have watched it since it started, and even watched football before the PL came about!]
2. I have NEVER got any team relegated
3. I have THREE Villa tattoos! Randy take note
4. I dont have a recomendation from Siralex
5. I really do have a vision and desire to see Villa succeed
6. I have a long track record of managing staff and achieving targets
7. I have never managed the Blues
8. I would not piss off 5 days before the start of the season
9. I am not Alec McLeish
10. I would do it for a shed load less than anyone else
Go on Randy, give me a go!!!!!
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I have a sneaky feeling it will be Glenn Roeder next.
I genuinely ran cold when I read that.
Probably more because I could actually imagine them doing it.
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It won't be anyone from abroad unless they already have the required Premier League experience. AVB just about qualifies, but more likely candidates that do meet the requirement include the stellar likes of Bruce, McCarthy, Bryan Robson and even someone like Gary Megson. What's that you say, they've all been relegated, some several times? Seems to be a bonus as far as RL and PF are concerned. Was McLaren ever relegated? Maybe he's not as bad as some of the other options.
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Lee Clark, Nigel Adkins, Paul Lambert, Brendan Rodgers.
All the right candidates but probably not even on the PF / RL radar.
It'll be another has-been / aspirant who is not quite good enough.
If you want a left-field guess: how about Ally McCoist? - not championing him, just speculating a left-field possibility.
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Brendan Rodgers would be interesting. We've seen a few managers that come up, start well etc but it's the next season that show if they're cut out for it, or not, like Owen Coyle for example. Started well at Burnley, then did Ok at Bolton, but is now struggling.
I'd take a punt of Rodgers.
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I have a sneaky feeling it will be Glenn Roeder next.
I genuinely ran cold when I read that.
Probably more because I could actually imagine them doing it.
I could imagine it as well.
Not beyond our fuckwitted board to do it.
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In fairness, I know we approached a few big hitters before appointing McLeish (they didn't want the season of austerity burden) but that just makes appointing him all the more confusing and annoying.
It's like looking at BMW, Mercedes, Jaguars and Audis and plumping for a Y reg Allegro instead.
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Trevor Francis, with Steve Hodge as assistant manager and Enckelman as goalkeeping coach.
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In fairness, I know we approached a few big hitters before appointing McLeish
Bear in mind the Martinez fiasco.
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In fairness, I know we approached a few big hitters before appointing McLeish
Bear in mind the Martinez fiasco.
Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say fiasco. He was asked to attend an interview but had already given Whelan his word he would stay at Wigan before ever we came calling. I was not happy we were considering him though because I dont rate him at all. Nice bloke though he is.
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Gary Speed
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In fairness, I know we approached a few big hitters before appointing McLeish (they didn't want the season of austerity burden) but that just makes appointing him all the more confusing and annoying.
It's like looking at BMW, Mercedes, Jaguars and Audis and plumping for a Y reg Allegro instead.
That's more understandable when you do your sums and realise you can afford the repayments, but not the running costs.
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In fairness, I know we approached a few big hitters before appointing McLeish (they didn't want the season of austerity burden) but that just makes appointing him all the more confusing and annoying.
It's like looking at BMW, Mercedes, Jaguars and Audis and plumping for a Y reg Allegro instead.
That's more understandable when you do your sums and realise you can afford the repayments, but not the running costs.
I'd like an Orange Allegro, wasn't keen on the Brown ones...
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I would say Trevor Francis but he never took them down did he so either Barry Fry or John Bond
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No idea but we must drop this 'must have Premier League experience' nonsense.
Much rather have 'plays good football and teams never give in'.
That would be a 100% improvement on the last 2 appointments.
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Andre Villas Boas with Ray Wilkins as his number 2
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Got quite excited for a few seconds when I saw the thread title there.
To be honest, I'd find it very hard to second-guess who Lerner would appoint in the future if he's in the position to look for a new manager. His last choice I would never have predicted.
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Gerry Francis
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Andre Villas Boas with Ray Wilkins as his number 2
That could be an excellent management team.
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Gary Speed ;D ;D
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Gary Speed ;D ;D
Thought it was in pretty bad taste myself.
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Villa Boas?? Ray Wilkins as No1 would be OK in my book.
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Gerald Ratner.
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David Brent
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Gary Speed
Ahh, someone who has recently died....very funny. Twat.
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Gary Speed ;D ;D
Thought it was in pretty bad taste myself.
Gary Speed
Ahh, someone who has recently died....very funny. Twat.
Couldn't agree more with both of you on this. Seriously, I do not know what goes through some peoples minds.
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Paul Lambert or David Moyes.
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Andre Villas Boas with Ray Wilkins as his number 2
That could be an excellent management team.
Dear Mr. Andre Villas-Boas,
We are sad to hear that the high expectations of Roman Abramovich have forced you and Chelsea to part ways, particularly after such a short period of time.
However, we have an exciting offer for you! We would like to bring you to England's Second City, recently named 19th in the New York Times' top 45 places to go in 2012. Birmingham has a host of attractions to offer, including the legendary Bull Ring, a multitude of curry houses, and, of course, the pride of the city: Aston Villa.
Sure, the Villa have a manager right now, but let's face it -- he's not very good. You would look like an absolute genius after Alex McLeish. Support for you would be lavish. You want to weed out the old players and set up a new system? By all means, go for it. We've been begging for the likes of Stephen Warnock, James Collins, and Emile Heskey to just disappear. We'd not make banners demanding the return of new ways.
You love to play a 4-3-3? We're dying for something that goes beyond a 4-4-1-1. Desperate to create a system of fluid, fast-moving football? We're dying for that, too. Willing to lose? At this point, we're screaming for a loss. This would be a mutually beneficial relationship.
And let's not forget that it seems you're destined to manage Villa. C'mon -- Villas-Boas? Villa? It would be perfection.
Sincerely,
Desperate Villa Supporters
http://www.7500toholte.com/2012/3/4/2843782/chelsea-sack-andre-villas-boas-aston-villa
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I might be in a minority of one here but I'm not that impressed with Villas-Boas. Couldn't get results with the players at his disposal and couldn't get Torres to score goals. I know there are issues with the likes of Terry/Lampard/Cole/Drogba etc owning the dressing room but 'AVB' seemed more interested in crouching in his mac and talking about 'projects'. Bit of a poser IMHO
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I might be in a minority of one here but I'm not that impressed with Villas-Boas. Couldn't get results with the players at his disposal and couldn't get Torres to score goals. I know there are issues with the likes of Terry/Lampard/Cole/Drogba etc owning the dressing room but 'AVB' seemed more interested in crouching in his mac and talking about 'projects'. Bit of a poser IMHO
I wonder how deep those dressing room problems were?
I've only watched Chelsea on telly a few times this season, and they've look on a number of occasions like they were playing to get their manager sacked.
They've really let things go a bit of late - too many ageing players, replacements who aren't up to scratch, owner signing players the manager doesn't know about (the Dutch kid in January), getting through managers increasingly quickly.
I hope it all goes down the pan for them, very quickly.
Barring Mourinho, I can't even see an obvious choice for them as manager now.
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As much as i would love it to be Villas Boas and Wilkins, there is no chance of this happening, we do not have the spending power, to attract that calibre of manager.
I honestly think if we survive even by goal difference....then McLeish will be our manager next season!
The only way we will get rid of McLeish is if season ticket sales are so poor that it gives the club no option but to get rid of him - so when the club phone you like they did me recently and they ask if you are renewing, then say NO because of the Manager and the poor standard of football
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I'm not sure which is the funnier - the people on here who are putting Villas-Boas's name forward as McLeish's successor or the people who don't think Villas Boas would be good enough to manage us.
I'll go for Guardiola with Wenger as the kit man
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Nah, dont agree. He got good things out of some of Chelsea's younger players (pertinent to us) but the old guard were arseholes to him and made his job almost impossible. He'd get the chance at Villa to stamp his authority on the squad.
Ancelotti couldn't get Torres to score goals. The fault is with the player completely losing his mojo.
Let's face it, if he didn't fail at the Chelsea job somewhat we wouldn't be talking about him as a potential Villa manager.
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AVB will be a great catch for someone, I know that much. I've no love for Chelsea whatsoever but I thought the penny had dropped when they appointed him - best young coach in Europe, give him five years to put something really special in place. He got 40 matches.
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I would like to say someone young and ambitious who tries to play football like Brendan Rogers or Paul Lambert but the way Randy’s going I’m guessing it’ll be Trevor Francis with Barry Fry as director of football.
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re Brendan Rodgers - how much of Swansea's style is down to him, and how much the previous managers they had?
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re Brendan Rodgers - how much of Swansea's style is down to him, and how much the previous managers they had?
Roberto Martinez and Paulo Sousa did play decent football.
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I'd say a continuation of their MO but an improvement too. He'd definitely be on my shortlist.
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Joe Kinnear
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After his last two appointments Randy will probably go for Glenn Roeder,I'd like someone up and coming,Lambert or Michael Laudrup,but its all wishful thinking,well be having the same debate in a year.
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One things for sure, there is not going to be a huge queue of candidates. If the last appointment process is anything to go by.
The new manager would HAVE to be given funds to stand half a chance of someone decent.
The best we can hope for I reckon is someone like Lambert who would want the challenge to be seen as the manager to finally succeed in getting Villa where they should be. Even that might be pushing it at the moment.
Anyway McLeish is still here and may not be going anywhere.
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It has to be a long term plan to change the style of play. Although I wasn't overly impresses with being linked with Martinez, I thought it fit a partern of trying to change the emphasis of hoofball by MOM, to a more passing expansive game which we occassionally exhibited under Hou. But them McCleish? Doen't fit any rational thinking at all!
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re Brendan Rodgers - how much of Swansea's style is down to him, and how much the previous managers they had?
Agreed that he has continued the good work of previous Swansea managers but he has been there long enough now to make his own impact. Also he did not change there style after the promotion, he has kept them playing attractive, passing football with a squad of mainly championship players.
I actually think we would struggle to attract him because of our lack of ambition. If he keeps it going at Swansea then he could get a big job elsewhere.
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I think the only people who get the rationale behind McLeish are Randy and Faulkner, the rest of us are left scratching our heads.
I’ve personally always seen the appointment as the ideal way to make huge cost savings, deflect criticism away from the board whilst the cost savings are made (and boy is this working right now) and ensure that we don’t go down whilst achieving this goal. In fact I’d say that as plans go then it’s going pretty much on schedule right now.
Had Martinez decided to take on the job, then I think the board would have taken another direction, still focussing on cost cutting, but pursuing more of a long term youth development and ‘Villa way’ approach to football.
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I think the only people who get the rationale behind McLeish are Randy and Faulkner, the rest of us are left scratching our heads.
I’ve personally always seen the appointment as the ideal way to make huge cost savings, deflect criticism away from the board whilst the cost savings are made (and boy is this working right now) and ensure that we don’t go down whilst achieving this goal. In fact I’d say that as plans go then it’s going pretty much on schedule right now.
Had Martinez decided to take on the job, then I think the board would have taken another direction, still focussing on cost cutting, but pursuing more of a long term youth development and ‘Villa way’ approach to football.
How do you think youth development would have been any different under Martinez?
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re Brendan Rodgers - how much of Swansea's style is down to him, and how much the previous managers they had?
Agreed that he has continued the good work of previous Swansea managers but he has been there long enough now to make his own impact. Also he did not change there style after the promotion, he has kept them playing attractive, passing football with a squad of mainly championship players.
I actually think we would struggle to attract him because of our lack of ambition. If he keeps it going at Swansea then he could get a big job elsewhere.
I dunno about that.
True, we are in a spell of reining in the costs and "transition" so we keep on hearing, but this is still a very big job, and a very good one. Let's not do ourselves down and pretend it isn't.
Obviously, we got knocked back by Martinez (and it was a knock back - we didn't offer him the job, so he didn't refuse it, but we offered him an interview and he didn't want to), but those are peculiar circumstances with him and Whelan.
Our main issue will be this insistence on PL experience, which seems to have been at the top of the list again (even when the PL experience of the man who got the job included two relegations).
If we insist on that, then straight away we're ignoring plenty of up and coming managers with potential in the UK, not to mention options from abroad.
It was daft last time, and the time before that, and if they insist on it again, they deserve whatever it is they end up with.
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Andre villas boas please.
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Ancelotti couldn't get Torres to score goals. The fault is with the player completely losing his mojo.
The rumour is that like Shevchenko, Torres was an "Abramovich signing".
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I think the only people who get the rationale behind McLeish are Randy and Faulkner, the rest of us are left scratching our heads.
I’ve personally always seen the appointment as the ideal way to make huge cost savings, deflect criticism away from the board whilst the cost savings are made (and boy is this working right now) and ensure that we don’t go down whilst achieving this goal. In fact I’d say that as plans go then it’s going pretty much on schedule right now.
Had Martinez decided to take on the job, then I think the board would have taken another direction, still focussing on cost cutting, but pursuing more of a long term youth development and ‘Villa way’ approach to football.
How do you think youth development would have been any different under Martinez?
I’m not trying to sell Martinez, but I do believe that had he decided to come to us then he would have been given free rein to stamp a Villa way approach to the game. Faulkner has said on more than one occasion how much he admires the Ajax way and I suspect that he saw Martinez as the man to implement this. As it was, he turned us down and I think that we then just decided to bring in McLeish, knowing that the furore would deflect the criticism off the board when the cost cutting began.
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re Brendan Rodgers - how much of Swansea's style is down to him, and how much the previous managers they had?
Agreed that he has continued the good work of previous Swansea managers but he has been there long enough now to make his own impact. Also he did not change there style after the promotion, he has kept them playing attractive, passing football with a squad of mainly championship players.
I actually think we would struggle to attract him because of our lack of ambition. If he keeps it going at Swansea then he could get a big job elsewhere.
I heard an interview with Martinez a week or two ago when they brought up Swansea. he said what we're seeing now is the culmination of about 15 years worth of planning and building, where the philosophy was laid down and thye kept faith with it.
Anyone think he'd be given anything near that much time at Villa?
No, me neither.
And Rogers won't get a 'big job' on the back of what he's doing at Swansea. He'll need to go up level or two first with the likes of us, Everton, etc. before the CL clubs would consider him a serious candidate.
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One things for sure, there is not going to be a huge queue of candidates. If the last appointment process is anything to go by.
The new manager would HAVE to be given funds to stand half a chance of someone decent.
The best we can hope for I reckon is someone like Lambert who would want the challenge to be seen as the manager to finally succeed in getting Villa where they should be. Even that might be pushing it at the moment.
Anyway McLeish is still here and may not be going anywhere.
Ironically, the next appointment might well be the beneficiary of all the current pain.
When the Billy-Big-Bollox players and those on the high wages are jettisoned this summer, the finances will be in a state - perhaps - where judicious investment in new, decent players can be made. Wouldn't it be nice to have someone with a bit of pedigree of squad-building and decent football actaully doing the investing?!
I'm not sure that is McL but it could be one of a number of up-and-coming managers - Lambert, Lee CLark, Poyet for example.
Brendan Rodgers? - I think he'll be at Everton within 12 months (Moyes must be close to departing but would not grace us with his presence. Perhaps Sppppppuurrrrrs after Harry's anointment at Wembley?).
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re Brendan Rodgers - how much of Swansea's style is down to him, and how much the previous managers they had?
Agreed that he has continued the good work of previous Swansea managers but he has been there long enough now to make his own impact. Also he did not change there style after the promotion, he has kept them playing attractive, passing football with a squad of mainly championship players.
I actually think we would struggle to attract him because of our lack of ambition. If he keeps it going at Swansea then he could get a big job elsewhere.
I dunno about that.
True, we are in a spell of reining in the costs and "transition" so we keep on hearing, but this is still a very big job, and a very good one. Let's not do ourselves down and pretend it isn't.
Obviously, we got knocked back by Martinez (and it was a knock back - we didn't offer him the job, so he didn't refuse it, but we offered him an interview and he didn't want to), but those are peculiar circumstances with him and Whelan.
Our main issue will be this insistence on PL experience, which seems to have been at the top of the list again (even when the PL experience of the man who got the job included two relegations).
If we insist on that, then straight away we're ignoring plenty of up and coming managers with potential in the UK, not to mention options from abroad.
It was daft last time, and the time before that, and if they insist on it again, they deserve whatever it is they end up with.
Sorry if i gave the wrong impression Paulie. I do think the villa job is one of the biggest but sadly it is not being treated that way by the people who are running the club and there for i can't see us going for a manager like Rogers.
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Has Ian Dowie got a mention yet? He gets my vote.
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I still think we have a chance of getting up and coming managers,even in our sorry state. The teams in the CL are still obsessed with foreign managers and won't go British. And even if we can't offer a massive purse for players,we can pay quite high wages for a manager,far more than the likes of Swansea.
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As it is obvious RL and those around him have no networks within European footballing circles, I would see us getting a NFL manager.
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As it is obvious RL and those around him have no networks within European footballing circles, I would see us getting a NFL manager.
What a nightmare that would be.
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Sorry if i gave the wrong impression Paulie. I do think the villa job is one of the biggest but sadly it is not being treated that way by the people who are running the club and there for i can't see us going for a manager like Rogers.
A manager like Rogers, who is only 1 place and 3 points above us.
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As it is obvious RL and those around him have no networks within European footballing circles, I would see us getting a NFL manager.
What a nightmare that would be.
Goodness yes, but didn't Southampton bring in Clive Woodward from the world of Rugby as some form of technical director? Also after this 'touching base' get together between our coaching team and the team at CB . . . oh dear!!
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but didn't Southampton bring in Clive Woodward from the world of Rugby as some form of technical director
One of Rupert Lowe's daftest descisions
And Redknapp refused to work with him and resigned I think.
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I think he will try and appoint someone with American Football experience as a general manager as he seems to want to 'share practises and information' between the two sports. Also, after AM I think he will go for a popular ex Villa player who played as high as international level as manager. I wonder if RL and PF wil be there for the press conference to unveil O.J. Simpson and Steve Hodge?
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Sorry if i gave the wrong impression Paulie. I do think the villa job is one of the biggest but sadly it is not being treated that way by the people who are running the club and there for i can't see us going for a manager like Rogers.
A manager like Rogers, who is only 1 place and 3 points above us.
I just don’t think RL will go for someone who is young and ambitious. It seems that he wants someone to keep us bobbing along and that’s why we ended up with AM and why we where intrested in Steve Mclaren.
Sadly I think we are stuck with AM for the long term.
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Do you mean in 10 years time when we have just won our third Champions League title with McLeish?
Do I win the prize for the daftest post of the day?
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Cant believe no one has mentioned Gordon Strachan . Get him in . Lerner loves ginger scots men.
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I nearly typed it last night Juan Pablo, then resisted through fear of it coming true!
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Lawrie Sanchez
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Andre villas boas please.
AVB, way to young in management terms, and at Chelsea where players clearly rule the roost the very least you need is a total disciplinarian to get things back on track.
In fact a Ferguson, that would sort the men out from the boys..
Personally I would highly recommend McLiesh for the Chelsea job, that'll put paid to any aspirations they have of doing anything.
Well come on ffs, why is it Midland clubs that have to suffer eternal indignation all the time, why do the London clubs and the North West get all the glory boys and we get the also ran's.
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Barry Fry?
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Gary Newbon.
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Trevor East.
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Billy Davies
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The phantom flan-flinger.
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The Hair Bear Bunch
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Officer Dibble
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Mammy two shoes from the Tom and Jerry cartoons.
Would be most effective if we signed Tamas from WBA.
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The weird one from the 80's pop band the Thompson Twins - you never quite knew if it was man or woman.
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Captain Chaos...oh no, hang on a minute....
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scooby doo.... with shaggy and velma as asistants. i believe Daphne coaches keepers!
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BFR mark 2.
For a real out of left field appointment how about Joachim Low? After he has won the Euro's.
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I think the question really should...
"Who could Randy get to come to manage the Villa?"
That list would be small and just full of the usual suspects, no 'big name' would want to come especially taking into consideration the state of the finances