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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on January 08, 2012, 07:46:15 PM
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Once Given returns to full fitness, who should be first choice? As good as Guzan has been for us (I eat a LOT of humble pie here) since Given got injured I would still put Shay straight back in. Thoughts?
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Given for me.
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Given without a doubt for me.
Guzan's done ok, but Given is just a far superior keeper.
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Guzan has done well.
Given is one of the best goalkeepers in the league.
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Given has more authority about his area.
Guzan looks to me like he's shaping up well.
6of 1 half a dozen of the other.
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Given. No contest.
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Guzman has merely proven that we have little to worry about should Shay get injured. He's good, but Shay Given good he ain't.
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Given has more authority about his area.
Guzan looks to me like he's shaping up well.
6of 1 half a dozen of the other.
Does he? I thought Given liked to stay on his line and Guzan is definitely louder when calling to his defenders.
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Guzman has merely proven that we have little to worry about should Shay get injured. He's good, but Shay Given good he ain't.
Unless it is next year.
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It's Given for me, but I'd definately let Guzan play in the Cup games, even considering our next one's probably gonna be away at Arsenal.
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Given.
Brad looks to have shaken off the dodgy form shown in the League Cup semis v Blackburn and had done well but Given is a far better keeper.
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Given has more authority about his area.
Guzan looks to me like he's shaping up well.
6of 1 half a dozen of the other.
Does he? I thought Given liked to stay on his line and Guzan is definitely louder when calling to his defenders.
Authority, being Given, great shot stopper, great positional ability, not talking so much about how he commands the area, I'd bet defenders are more confident knowing Given is behind them.
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Guzan for me.
He is better in the air, more commanding of his area and comes for crosses.
No place for sentiment, Guzan could be our number one for the next decade.
But I'm happy we now have two good goalkeepers.
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Given number 1 however Brad has proved he is a more than capable deputy.
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I have not seen much of Given as I was away. Brad has done very well indeed. I was quite nervous thinking he would come in for Given based on some of performances in the past.
I'd still put Given back in though he is our number one and a very very good goal keeper, one of the best around.
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Edit- in hindsight I was harsh on Guzan and have been delighted to be proved wrong - both keepers are an asset.
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Given, but Brad has shown he is a more than capable backup and would probably be first choice at a lot of clubs. I'd be surprised if he was still here next season so we need to get a decent #2 in considering the injury problems Given has.
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Most ludicrous question I've seen on here possibly ever, given by a huge distance!
Whatever next , messi or heskey?
A bit harsh that. Yes Given is the better keeper, and would get my vote, but bearing in mind Guzan's recent form I think it was a valid question.
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Most ludicrous question I've seen on here possibly ever, given by a huge distance!
Whatever next , messi or heskey?
Is it? Guzan has proved himself. For me, Given is better. So sorry to ask a question which is open to debate and discussion. What does SSN say?
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Both. Play one of them left back.
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Most ludicrous question I've seen on here possibly ever, given by a huge distance!
Whatever next , messi or heskey?
I take it you've missed the last few games then.
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Too busy glued to...
BREAKING NEWS!!! Lincoln right back signs new two-year deal.
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Right now Guzan should keep the shirt until Given is 1 fit and 2 Guzan lets us down.
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Right now Guzan should keep the shirt until Given is 1 fit and 2 Guzan lets us down.
This
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I think it Guzan's shirt to lose. Keeping a clean sheet at Stoke was a superb effort, and his general handling on set plays is better than Given.
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Most ludicrous question I've seen on here possibly ever, given by a huge distance!
Whatever next , messi or heskey?
A bit harsh that. Yes Given is the better keeper, and would get my vote, but bearing in mind Guzan's recent form I think it was a valid question.
A BIT harsh? Completely ridiculous, over-the-top statement.
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Given, its a given.
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Given has probably been our best player this season (until he got injured) so I see no reason why should not walk back into the team as and when he is fully fit
Well done to Brad for stepping up and standing in but he is no Shay Given
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Given for me but Brad should be picked for the cup game(s)
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The player in form gets the nod! Guzan it is then!
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Guzan's a Given surely?
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Given is our number one and should stay it.. however Guzan has been great and has showed us he's capable. It's no secret Given picks up little knocks, and now we know Guzan is capable to step in and do the business.
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Don't trust Guzan, no matter how many decent performances he puts in. I've seen him have several shaky performances. In a decade, I don't remember more than one or two poor performances from Given, and none while playing for us as yet.
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Don't trust Guzan, no matter how many decent performances he puts in. I've seen him have several shaky performances. In a decade, I don't remember more than one or two poor performances from Given, and none while playing for us as yet.
This.
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Guzan for me.
1. He commands his area better
2. He comes for crosses and takes the pressure of defenders
Give is a good shot stopper, but he makes saves that he shouldn't have to make as his positioning is suspect and because of the two items above.
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Given, without question.
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Given for me.
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Don't trust Guzan, no matter how many decent performances he puts in. I've seen him have several shaky performances. In a decade, I don't remember more than one or two poor performances from Given, and none while playing for us as yet.
Remind me of Guzan's other shaky performances apart from the 6-4 Blackburn game?
If he's had several then you must have a good list to pick from...
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Probably given should come back in, as he has that ability to make point-winning saves most keepers wouldn't. But Guzan is still young as keepers go and could be a very good keeper so I hope we do all we can to keep him.
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Shay Given is a world class 'keeper. He has to be our number one.
Guzan has been impressive, and it's good to know we have him there should Given suffer any injury ir a serious dip in form.
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Wouldn't surprise me if Guzan goes in the summer -
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I think he will be off too, he has had a taste of premier league football now and wants to play regularly. His contract is up at the end of the season.
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Right now Guzan should keep the shirt until Given is 1 fit and 2 Guzan lets us down.
Agree
I've thought the defence looked as good, if not better, with Brad behind.
Guzan has waited and waited for his chance, as you say hawkeye, until he lets us down he deserves his extended run in the team.
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Given is our number one. But Guzan doesnt deserve to be dropped. Tough choice.
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I think Given should come back in but only once 100% fit no need to rush him.
Guzan's performances should have earned him a new 3 year contract IMO. A very capable premier league number 2.
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Guzan has improved his game over recent months and now looks a capable deputy but given is still a far better goalkeeper - id have no problem with Guzan extending his contract although he may look for regular football elsewhere rather than being a number 2.
Given remains one of the best in the premiership though in my view and is a top class keeper.
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Given. I think Guzan has done well, but I think Given is the better keeper.
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They both consider the ball coming to their feet to mean that they should hoof it, though they're not helped by the defenders' lack of movement. However, I would actually be inclined to stick with Guzan at the moment, he's done nothing wrong and Given would have probably not done better throughout this spell. I heard that some of the players are worried that the manager seems to have favourites, so sticking with Guzan would surely show that, if you're in form, you play.
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Shay is still our number 1 - agree with the comments that Guzan has improved by would pick a fit Given every time
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Given for me.
I'd probably have said Guzan until the Swansea game where his poor kick lead to the second goal.
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On the subject of Guzan and his contract, he'll presumably need a work permit? Will he get one as he's hardly played? Anyone know?
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Nice to have the luxury of it being a debate as I was one who never thought Guzan would make it - note to self, don't judge players on a few performances as you also did with Ugo all those years ago Richard
I do like the fact that the award of a pen to the other team is now not the formality it once was with Brad F in goal - he was such a great keeper in so many ways but had that irritating habit of just falling over to one side or the other when facing a pen and never convincing you he had made any real attempt to go for it at all...
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Given is the better keeper, if fit he should play.
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Wouldn't surprise me if Guzan goes in the summer -
Is he out of contract? How long has Given got left?
Basically I'd be loathed to lose Guzan as he has been superb and added a degree of authority to his previous shop stopping ability. Without doubt he has time on his side so hopefully he'll be happy with being understudy this season but next season it should be the guy who is in form gets the gloves.
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It'll be harsh on Guzan, but Given. We're at a tough juncture in our season. We've got to get to 40 points asap, then we can relax. Given has the respect of his peers and has more than earned it in 15 years at the top. We need all the experience we can get, particularly in helping some of our promising youngsters at the moment.
Guzan's time will come though. He's been excellent since coming into the side.
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Wouldn't surprise me if Guzan goes in the summer -
Is he out of contract? How long has Given got left?
Basically I'd be loathed to lose Guzan as he has been superb and added a degree of authority to his previous shop stopping ability. Without doubt he has time on his side so hopefully he'll be happy with being understudy this season but next season it should be the guy who is in form gets the gloves.
I think his contract is up in the summer.
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Nice to have the luxury of it being a debate as I was one who never thought Guzan would make it - note to self, don't judge players on a few performances as you also did with Ugo all those years ago Richard
I do like the fact that the award of a pen to the other team is now not the formality it once was with Brad F in goal - he was such a great keeper in so many ways but had that irritating habit of just falling over to one side or the other when facing a pen and never convincing you he had made any real attempt to go for it at all...
It was a really strange one with Friedel and pens....he saved loads at Blackburn including twice in one premier league game and I think he's also the only keeper to have saved two penalties in one world cup game. No idea why he lost the art when he signed for us.
As for the poll, I'd keep Guzan in for Everton but think McLeish will go for Given if he's fit enough to start.
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we certainly do not need to rush given back. let him have a week of extra training to make sure he's fit and sharp. It'll boost guzan's confidence and (weirdly/perversely) give him the opportunity to make a mistake in order to justifiably get given back into team.
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I dont deny that Given is a good shot stopper but it remeinds of a game I played in few years ago. He know nothing about football and even less about goalkeeping
A friend watching said that the oppossition goalkeeper played a blinder throwing himself all over the place whereas where as their attack was rubbish as they kept shooting straight at me. We wonn 2 - 0
A good shot stopper does not a good goalkeeper make. I prefer Guzan.
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Brad Guzan is Shay Given's back up. He knows his role and he's done it admirably which should fill us all with a sense of relief. There weren't this many people so confident prior to this recent stint. To suggest though that he is better than Shay Given is ludicrous. A player with tremendous ability and a quality PL record in tow vs a relatively young and inexperienced deputy. We are better team with Shay than without even if Guzan has done well this past few weeks.
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Given for me but Brad should be picked for the cup game(s)
This for me.
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i dont think there is a lot in it, Given probably gets the nod on experience.
but the two keepers are judged differently, as was Friedal,
i remember when Friedel was making some terible blunders especialy with crosses, and in general not comanding his area with his usual auothority, yet no one complained, no one called for him to be dropped, as for Guzan he's still being judged on a game years ago aginst Blackburn, someone just mentioned his kick against Bristol, yet if Given had made the same mistake it would be overlooked and forgotten about,
Guzan is a very good keeper, maybe long term he's a better bet than Given, but he will be of in the summer if his contract is up, he will want first team football somewhere,
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Guzan is a very good keeper, maybe long term he's a better bet than Given, but he will be of in the summer if his contract is up, he will want first team football somewhere.
That's another terrible waste of money. We bought him cheaply admittedly but he's starting to look like a 5m keeper (based largely on age and potential admittedly) and we're likely to loose him for nothing. Now is the time to offer him a contract as he must be feeling pretty loved right now.
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Guzan is a very good keeper, maybe long term he's a better bet than Given, but he will be of in the summer if his contract is up, he will want first team football somewhere.
That's another terrible waste of money. We bought him cheaply admittedly but he's starting to look like a 5m keeper (based largely on age and potential admittedly) and we're likely to loose him for nothing. Now is the time to offer him a contract as he must be feeling pretty loved right now.
i agree, Man Utd just paid 18 mill for a keeper who is worse
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Given for me. But then again I'd sell Guzan. LOL!
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Don't trust Guzan, no matter how many decent performances he puts in. I've seen him have several shaky performances. In a decade, I don't remember more than one or two poor performances from Given, and none while playing for us as yet.
If in a decade, you can't remember more then 1-2 poor performances, first how come you have watched every single Newcastle match in that time, and second, that would have made Given 25 since when you kept a good eye on him, remind me how old Guzan was in the Blackburn game.
TBH this actually the first time that we have been able to judge Guzan on other then the one game in five and he appears to be maturing. I'd hope he signs a contract extension as he will surely be definite first choice within the next year or so dependent on Given injuries, otherwise we could be in the same situation as Liverpool were with Friedal when he went on a free due to lack of games and became one of the most steady and consistent keepers around.
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I like Guzan and if he's prepared to stay I'd be happy to have him, but Given is number 1.
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Given is a pretty good all rounder. Brad's better at shot stopping and penalties, he lacks commanding the defense, struggles to dominate the box and flaps at corners. It's Shay for me, but only just, if Dunne wasn't starting they'd both be better off...
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Given is a pretty good all rounder. Brad's better at shot stopping and penalties, he lacks commanding the defense, struggles to dominate the box and flaps at corners. It's Shay for me, but only just, if Dunne wasn't starting they'd both be better off...
You missed the Stoke game then?
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I like Guzan and if he's prepared to stay I'd be happy to have him, but Given is number 1.
Although I'm defending Guzan, I expect Given to be starting when fit because he normally throws a paddy when he isn't playing. When Bobby Robson was at Newcastle, Given suffered an injury and Bobby decided to stick with Harper. Shay handed in a transfer request, (he did rescind it when rejected and just said he wanted to make a point about not playing). He also rubbished Hart and as soon as he was usurped as Number 1 at Citeh he was out of there.
I don't doubt he has tremendous ability, just that I'm an advocate of earn a shirt, keep a shirt or even a bit of rotation, but Shay has shown in the past that he isn't always a team player in that aspect.
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Given is a pretty good all rounder. Brad's better at shot stopping and penalties, he lacks commanding the defense, struggles to dominate the box and flaps at corners. It's Shay for me, but only just, if Dunne wasn't starting they'd both be better off...
You missed the Stoke game then?
Exactly, part of the reason we kept a good clean sheet against them was Guzan coming out and claiming well. This meant the defenders could relax and not have to get their head to every thing going if it was near Guzan.
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Given is a pretty good all rounder. Brad's better at shot stopping and penalties, he lacks commanding the defense, struggles to dominate the box and flaps at corners. It's Shay for me, but only just, if Dunne wasn't starting they'd both be better off...
You've got the wrong way round.
Given is a quality shot stopper, but Brad is better in the air, from corners, crosses and at commanding his area.
We've looked far better on set pieces since Guzan has been in.
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Guzan
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Assuming Given (if he's still at the club :) will play the 2 games against Bradford and we get to the final, should he keep his place for the final? Or will Lambert do like MON and bring in Guzan for the big match.
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When we got to the final the other year, Guzan had played all the cup games but Friedel was preferred in the final. If we continue with Given, Guzan misses out again and if we went with Guzan, it would be harsh on Given. Either way someone misses out so you have to just go with whomever would give us the best chance of winning - which for me would be Guzan.
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When we got to the final the other year, Guzan had played all the cup games but Friedel was preferred in the final. If we continue with Given, Guzan misses out again and if we went with Guzan, it would be harsh on Given. Either way someone misses out so you have to just go with whomever would give us the best chance of winning - which for me would be Guzan.
It's a tricky one , but a nice problem to have.
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Given made a couple of cracking saves at 1-1 against Norwich so harsh to drop him, at the same time i'm more confident with Guzan in goal. So as eastie says, tricky but a nice problem to have.
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Given is a pretty good all rounder. Brad's better at shot stopping and penalties, he lacks commanding the defense, struggles to dominate the box and flaps at corners. It's Shay for me, but only just, if Dunne wasn't starting they'd both be better off...
I used to think that about Guzan, but his commanding of the box has vastly improved this season, and takes a lot more responsibility in organising the defence. I always thought he was a good prospect, but he used to frighten the life out of me when he used to come for crosses. He has obviously worked hard on that aspect of the game, and for me, he is our no 1, and should start at wembley, if we get there.
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Given made a couple of cracking saves at 1-1 against Norwich so harsh to drop him, at the same time i'm more confident with Guzan in goal. So as eastie says, tricky but a nice problem to have.
Agreed , he made 2 superb saves but he looked really edgy in the 1st half and Guzan is now much more commanding on crosses and I think the defence look more at ease - I guess I'd be tempted to stick with shay as it would probably be his last big swansong, Guzan has the no1 spot so I'm sure he wouldn't be too upset if he misses out .
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I honestly think MON would've given Guzan the final if he hadn't had such a nightmare game against Blackburn, certainly his worst hour in a Villa shirt.
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Given made a couple of cracking saves at 1-1 against Norwich so harsh to drop him, at the same time i'm more confident with Guzan in goal. So as eastie says, tricky but a nice problem to have.
Agreed , he made 2 superb saves but he looked really edgy in the 1st half and Guzan is now much more commanding on crosses and I think the defence look more at ease - I guess I'd be tempted to stick with shay as it would probably be his last big swansong, Guzan has the no1 spot so I'm sure he wouldn't be too upset if he misses out .
Given had me shitting bricks at Norwich, I was convinced he was going to cost us the tie. The two saves were good, but I'd expect any top flight keeper to have saved them.
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If we make the final, you go with the keeper who gives you the best chance regardless of it being tough luck on anybody.
If the final was the next game, then for me it would be Guzan. But maybe that will change between now and the final (if we get to it). It is up to Given to be ready at any moment to step in and seize his chance if and when Guzan is injured or has a dip in form.
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Guzan for the semi-final too please Paul.
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Given should play in the semi finals and once we have safely negotiated them then we can start to worry about who plays in the final
If Lambert sticks with Shay v Bradford then it's up to him to prove his worth over the two games to be in the mix for a spot in the final
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Guzan for the semi-final too please Paul.
Another one here please.
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Interesting one this.
Given is the cup keeper at the minute and you'd imagine he'd be o.k against Bradford. Not sure on the final.
Maybe start Given and bring Guzan on if it goes to penalties as I'd back him to save more penalties than Shay would.
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A Guzan from the top please Carol.
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Guzan for both semis and the final
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The last thing we need in a potential banana-skin game like this is a dodgy keeper.
I'd say the most important quality for a 'keeper in a game like this is an ability to impart calm on the defence. Given doesn't do that.
I haven't seen much of Bradford, but I'd guess that, like most wannabe-giant-killers, they'll hope to get lucky off hopeful crosses and long balls that put the goalie under pressure. And if Given plays they probably will.
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One keeper will end up feeling disappointed just as they did two years ago. I think then it was just about warranted that we changed to Brad the elder then and I think that it's even more warranted that we change this time.
Friedel wasn't the future of our goalkeeping then like Guzan is now. And Guzan was a better reserve keeper then than Given is now.
I wouldn't be devastated if Given plays (assuming we get through), but it's Guzan's turn now.
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Three years ago Dave, where is the time going eh?
I'd stick with Shay for the semi-finals. He's done fine in the competition up to now. After being dropped earlier in the season it would probably be morale-crushing for him to be ditched now just because we're entering the business end. Not that Lambert will ever or should pick teams on sentiment. But it's good to make everyone feel involved and for the goalkeepers to be pushing each other. Guzan shouldn't think he's automatically number one.
So Given for these games and then we can worry about the final should we win.
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Lets not forget there's a cup game against Ipswich coming up.
That gives us all another chance to take a look at Given.
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Three years ago Dave, where is the time going eh?
I don't consider the McLeish year to be an actual season of football.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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I hope Given goes in Jan on loan for a month and forces us to pick Brad!!
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I hope Given goes in Jan on loan for a month and forces us to pick Brad!!
I agree. I don't want any noble sense of loyalty from giving ourselves the best possible chance in any hypothetical final. Guzan has to play.
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For me loyalty goes a long way. Shay got us this far in the cup, he should be stuck with. Guzan in the league.
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Guzan gets my vote...
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Guzan for me without question. I didn't rate when he first arrived but he has become a very good keeper (think the loan spell at hull really helped him) and i think he can get better. Distribution can be poor at times but his still young for a keeper and can improve.
I've always liked Given and there's not many keepers better when it comes to instinctive saves but his all round performance has diminished over the last few seasons for us and when he was playing for Ireland.
I don't think we got the best of Given (like when he was at Newcastle) and I think the way he was treated at Man City affected him.
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It would be very harsh on Guzan to miss another final. He gets us to the final in 2010 as reserve/cup keeper and gets dropped for the final. He's the number one keeper in 2013 and the reserve/cup keeper keeps the shirt for the final. I'd be massively pissed if it happened and I was him.
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It would be very harsh on Guzan to miss another final. He gets us to the final in 2010 as reserve/cup keeper and gets dropped for the final. He's the number one keeper in 2013 and the reserve/cup keeper keeps the shirt for the final. I'd be massively pissed if it happened and I was him.
Although he may understand having had it happen to him and feel its fair enough if lambert stuck with given, I think mon maybe ditched Guzan for the fact he was poor against Blackburn and wonder if he had had a blinder against rovers if he would have perhaps kept his place?
It's a difficult call but I'd be happy with either in all honesty, although if given is as poor against bradford as Guzan was against rovers then I think the writing would be on the wall.
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Given was poor against Norwich, but they let him off the hook.
Lets not make the same mistake again.
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Given was poor against Norwich, but they let him off the hook.
Lets not make the same mistake again.
I think it's a given that given will play against bradford , neither Chelsea or Swansea will bombard us with crosses so its a real tough call, I do agree shay was very shaky at Norwich and looked a shadow of his former self.
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Guzan is a given :o He will probably hit a bad patch again sometime but up to now he seems to be getting better and better.
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Its a tough one . I think Given will be in the semis , def the first one , If he is shakin stevens then Guzan will get second leg but I would imagine given gets both .
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I think Given will leave in Jan, Problem solved
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I'd play Marshall.
No, of course I wouldn't.
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I'd play Marshall.
No, of course I wouldn't.
He can play anywhere, 1 to 11.
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Guzan, from what I've seen from far away inspires me with more confidence than any Villa goalie in my recollection, I go back to Nigel Sims. He commands his area as well as anyone I've seen and his positional sense is outstanding. I think we have an exeptional goalkeeper on our books
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after what happened to Guzan with the last cup final just think how he would feel if it was repeated?
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Given was poor against Norwich, but they let him off the hook.
Lets not make the same mistake again.
He was in the first half, but did improve. However, if we reach the final I think it would have to be Guzan, although tough on Given if he plays the semi games.
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the Villa Number 1 ?
Guzan's a given.....
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Guzan is a given :o He will probably hit a bad patch again sometime but up to now he seems to be getting better and better.
Ahem!
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I think Given will leave in Jan, Problem solved
So do I. Given hates playing second fiddle and has thrown his toys out at Newcastle when it looked like Harper was going to take the number 1 spot. But it all depends on whether he can get close to his current earnings elsewhere.
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Given was poor against Norwich, but they let him off the hook.
Lets not make the same mistake again.
I was'nt at the Norwich game and by all accounts he was a bit shaky in the first half, but i did see one fantastic save he made in the second half which kept us in the game at the time.
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Where's Siegrist in terms of development?
Could he realistically take over the No. 2 GK slot?
If so, I'd be looking to ship Given out.
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Don't undestand why Siegrist hasn't been loaned out yet, he made the Swiss Olympic squad so is progressing well for them.
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Anyone seen the article from Kevin Kilbane saying we should have Given back in. Scary when players have their mates writing stories about how brilliant they are. Shay must know how MON feels....
Anyhow, it is interesting in that in our player of the half season, the general opinion is that Guzan wins it at a canter almost, yet the press still print stuff about Given being the better keeper.
Just to add though, I did think Guzan should have done better with the first 2 at the weekend.
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Not sure Given will leave in Jan, he's sitting pretty on a stupid contract til he's about 85 isn't he? Who'd match that?
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Guzan has been excellent. One thing I will say though is fair play to Given I haven't seen him whinging in the press, he's just got on with it.
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Guzan has been excellent. One thing I will say though is fair play to Given I haven't seen him whinging in the press, he's just got on with it.
This.
Don't write given off because he may well still prove to be our saviour, should Guzan suffer a bad injury I'd be confident given would do a good job in goal- we need two top keepers and that's what we have got.
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Anyone seen the article from Kevin Kilbane saying we should have Given back in. Scary when players have their mates writing stories about how brilliant they are. Shay must know how MON feels....
I've just read that, appalling column without any justification for the thrust of the article other than that he shouts a lot. Really poor.
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Anyone seen the article from Kevin Kilbane saying we should have Given back in. Scary when players have their mates writing stories about how brilliant they are. Shay must know how MON feels....
Anyhow, it is interesting in that in our player of the half season, the general opinion is that Guzan wins it at a canter almost, yet the press still print stuff about Given being the better keeper.
Just to add though, I did think Guzan should have done better with the first 2 at the weekend.
Not sure about the first, but with the 2nd I'm not sure whether he thought the ball would carry through to him.
Bit of a nightmare scenario: Do I take a chance and try to get there first and look a complete idiot if I don't, or risk staying where I am, maybe give myself a bit of a chance and still look an idiot if they score?
Hindsight says he should have gone.
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Doesn't matter who is in goal for us. Givan would make just as many saves as Guzan, if not more. The problem lies in the outfield positions. Starting with the defence - it's absolutely appalling.
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Doesn't matter who is in goal for us. Givan would make just as many saves as Guzan, if not more. The problem lies in the outfield positions. Starting with the defence - it's absolutely appalling.
The defence are left too exposed by the midfield, sort out the midfield and they will not only provide better protection but also create more for the forwards.
Midfield area is the biggest problem.
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Doesn't matter who is in goal for us. Givan would make just as many saves as Guzan, if not more. The problem lies in the outfield positions. Starting with the defence - it's absolutely appalling.
The defence are left too exposed by the midfield, sort out the midfield and they will not only provide better protection but also create more for the forwards.
Midfield area is the biggest problem.
True, but the defence is absolutely appalling. Spurs had 15 corners first half Boxing Day, and they got to the ball first in practically every one of them. How we weren't 4 or 5 nil down by half time was a miracle. Clark let his man get in front of him constantly. It was really amateurish.
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Doesn't matter who is in goal for us. Givan would make just as many saves as Guzan, if not more.
And would catch about one quarter as many crosses.
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Doesn't matter who is in goal for us. Givan would make just as many saves as Guzan, if not more.
And would catch about one quarter as many crosses.
Yeah right.
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No you are right Saunders, he would catch nowhere near a quarter. Maybe a 16th or so. Leaves his line and gets a hernia.
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No you are right Saunders, he would catch nowhere near a quarter. Maybe a 16th or so. Leaves his line and gets a hernia.
"Hilarious".
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No you are right Saunders, he would catch nowhere near a quarter. Maybe a 16th or so. Leaves his line and gets a hernia.
"Hilarious".
Indeed, your posts often make me chuckle.
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No you are right Saunders, he would catch nowhere near a quarter. Maybe a 16th or so. Leaves his line and gets a hernia.
"Hilarious".
Indeed, your posts often make me chuckle.
And yours make me chuck.
Time to grow up now and get down the Villa. Cheerio!
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Camera panned in on him after the second goal so not sure what part of it was his fault, the shot from Boyce was in the bottom corner. Maybe could've come for the first goal but looked like he was blocked off.
I don't see the solution of bring Given back in for league games as he won't suddenly start keeping us clean sheets as he conceded two each at Swindon and Norwich.
We need better in the back 4, Clark is awful without an aerially dominated defender alongside him as positionally he dosen't have a clue, Bennett just looks another Warnock to me and Lowton's having a poor spell atm so it would be nice to have a more experienced RB who could come in.
Whatever happened to Luke Young at QPR, I'd take him back on a short term deal till the end of the season, either at RB or LB.
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If the steward who works the lower tier of the trinity comes on here, the one who said Guzan should be dropped on the basis he's let 12 goals in against chelsea & Spuds, you mate are a twat
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Tell you what though. As a keeper on the bench, you would be gutted if you didn't start the next game. Time to give Guzan a break, it's a bugger bending over picking up the ball from the back of the net that many times...
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Tell you what though. As a keeper on the bench, you would be gutted if you didn't start the next game. Time to give Guzan a break, it's a bugger bending over picking up the ball from the back of the net that many times...
My thought exactly, while he hasn't been totally at fault for the majority, his confidence must be as shot as the rest.
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Camera panned in on him after the second goal so not sure what part of it was his fault, the shot from Boyce was in the bottom corner. Maybe could've come for the first goal but looked like he was blocked off.
I don't see the solution of bring Given back in for league games as he won't suddenly start keeping us clean sheets as he conceded two each at Swindon and Norwich.
We need better in the back 4, Clark is awful without an aerially dominated defender alongside him as positionally he dosen't have a clue, Bennett just looks another Warnock to me and Lowton's having a poor spell atm so it would be nice to have a more experienced RB who could come in.
Whatever happened to Luke Young at QPR, I'd take him back on a short term deal till the end of the season, either at RB or LB.
I think Baker has been the reason we kept some clean sheets and looked more solid, as he organised Clark and together they did well. Baker, Clark and Vlaar is a 3 that could work well. Unfortunately 3 of our 4 centre backs are injured, and the 1 fit is the least dominant. It is a recipe for being buggered continuously until the bigger boys are back.
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Yes Baker has grown on me recently. A pure defender similar to Collins in that he's someone who'll block shots all days long and put his head in where it hurts (which leads to those injuries).
In our present situation we need that more than someone like Clark who's probably better with the ball at his foot but dosen't seem to have much defenders instinct at all.
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If we are not buying, I would have Clark in the midfield with Vlaar and Baker at centre half.
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If we are not buying, I would have Clark in the midfield with Vlaar and Baker at centre half.
Some of our (admittedly few) best attacks started with Clark carrying the ball forward from defense. But whether he could do that in midfield is another matter.