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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Kent Villian on December 23, 2011, 06:32:35 AM
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http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/1399/26/man-united-legend-mcgrath-slams-liverpools-suarez-shirt-gesture
Only in the last sentence of the artical do they mention AVFC?
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The reality is Man Utd in a headline gets more attention.
Also parts of the media are attempting to play on Liverpool - Manc antipathy in the Suarez case instead of discussing the real issues of racism in football.
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Paul McGrath is entirely correct. Just wait and see what Liverpool's reaction is if they have a player subjected to racism. I can tell you what their reaction will be. It was done to us. We are Liverpool. Everybody loves us.
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Paul McGrath is entirely correct. Just wait and see what Liverpool's reaction is if they have a player subjected to racism. I can tell you what their reaction will be. It was done to us. We are Liverpool. Everybody loves us.
Brian, I'm surprised the FA could even consider such a ban, especially when you take into account the huge part they and their neighbours Everton played in promoting the cause of black players through the 70's and 80's.
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Manchester United is the most relevant link in this story - the subject of the alleged racism is a current Manchester United player.
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Appreciation to Mick Dennis of The Express who gave a passionate and reasoned criticism of the Liverpool tribal mentality on Sky Sports News the other day. One of the few football reporters I have time for he was very obviously disgusted with the way Liverpool FC had reacted to this affair. I really wonder if Liverpool had a black player representing them at that match whether he would have worn the Suarez t-shirt, I suspect not.
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I really wonder if Liverpool had a black player representing them at that match whether he would have worn the Suarez t-shirt, I suspect not.
Glen Johnson ?
Johnson immediately responded to McGrath’s comments on his Twitter account.
He wrote: “I will support who I want. There are a lot of reasons why I’m standing by Luis Suárez.”
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Anyone seen this on collymore's twitter page? Not for the easily offended i might add.
https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/#/favorites
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Anyone seen this on collymore's twitter page? Not for the easily offended i might add.
https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/#/favorites
Wow!
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There's a right couple of wankers on there.
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Oh dear me ! I presume the throwbacks who have been on there dont realise that they can be traced by plod.
I wonder if Glen 'Uncle Tom the toilet thief' Johnson has been tweeting on there
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Anyone seen this on collymore's twitter page? Not for the easily offended i might add.
https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/#/favorites
I've been following Stan and the muppets who send this sort of abuse on Twitter need kneecapping.
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"Age 50, single..." You don't say.
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I really wonder if Liverpool had a black player representing them at that match whether he would have worn the Suarez t-shirt, I suspect not.
Glen Johnson ?
Johnson immediately responded to McGrath’s comments on his Twitter account.
He wrote: “I will support who I want. There are a lot of reasons why I’m standing by Luis Suárez.”
Liverpool have hardly any black players.
Has Dalglish ever signed a black player?
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I really wonder if Liverpool had a black player representing them at that match whether he would have worn the Suarez t-shirt, I suspect not.
That John Barnes bloke wasn't too bad.
Glen Johnson ?
Johnson immediately responded to McGrath’s comments on his Twitter account.
He wrote: “I will support who I want. There are a lot of reasons why I’m standing by Luis Suárez.”
Liverpool have hardly any black players.
Has Dalglish ever signed a black player?
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that twitter thing is shocking . Theres some angry horrible people out there . No wonder the world is f**ked .
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That twitter feed makes horrible reading - the internet has given us some great things but the ability to be able to publish that sort of bile is one of the worst , I really wish you could turn up at their house with a camera crew and watch their reation when they have to explain themselves
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Words fail me.
JonJuwanson Jon Juwanson
by StanCollymore@
@StanCollymore do us a favour Stan and go and hang yourself like Gary Speed did please. Ok Negrito
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It's so sad.
I can't believe people are like that. Everything wrong with a medium like twitter. They should be held accountable and be charged by the police. If terry can be charged (potentially) by video evidence then these people can surely be charged and banned from twitter.
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It's disgraceful. Same goes for lots of YouTube comments.
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Just heard that twitter has issued a statement saying that all racist abuse is being investigated.
Let's hope that includes handing over peoples IP address to the police.
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I am very new to twitter but my god there are some complete arseholes on there spouting all sorts of bollox. All they do is show themselves as being complete morons.
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Just heard that twitter has issued a statement saying that all racist abuse is being investigated.
Let's hope that includes handing over peoples IP address to the police.
Yeah, good news but watch those keyboard warriors disappear back under their rocks and out of sight.
Cowards!
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It's so sad.
I can't believe people are like that. Everything wrong with a medium like twitter. They should be held accountable and be charged by the police. If terry can be charged (potentially) by video evidence then these people can surely be charged and banned from twitter.
Its the whole thing with the internet being relatively unregulated.
On the internet in general there should be as little outside regulation as practicably possible, even if we are going to come across people spouting stuff we find highly dubious/objectionable/upsetting - either because they have extreme frankly sick views or as I suspect half the time just trying to shock or get a reaction.
Laws on racism and incitement should on occasion be used, but it should be kept to the absolute minimum no matter how much we hate what is being said.
My guess is that action against the Twitter racists will be taken. One part of me says good, because what has been written is absolutely disgusting, but another part of me wonders whether this is really getting to the problems of racist attitudes in football and society. Much in the same way as people who have been sent to prison for setting up sites to tell people in a particular town to riot in the summer was just The State making an example of them instead of addressing the actual causes of the riots.
It really is a case of where you draw the line, and as in the end it is The State that has to enforce regulation I want that line drawn as vague and indistinct as possible even if it does give freedom and license to objectionable idiots on the internet.
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That Twitter feed is horrific.
Oh, and Kenny Dalglish is a horrible little man. How can he publicly support Suarez repeatedly? The guy's admitted using a word that any respectable person would find offensive yet he continues to defend him. Horrible little man.
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They should fucking hammer that c*** Dalglish and his twattish club.
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There are some serious idiots out there.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Suarez was found guilty of racism, was he not? His club are entitled to appeal, fine. However:
1. Were all the Liverpool T-shirt wearers privy to all the evidence that those who passed judgement on him were? Or do they just have their colleague's side of the story? Either way, perhaps their show of support should have waited until after the appeal.
2. Suppose the appeal is uncuccesful? That would mean that, in the eyes of the powers that be, Liverpool Football Club have a player guilty of racism in their midst. Those T-shirts would look a bit stupid, then, wouldn't they?
Perhaps waiting for the appeal would be the best option for all concerned, yes? Liverpool could then make a public show of support for their player if found not guilty on appeal, and if the appeal is unsuccesful, their players would look just as bad as those Twitter idiots on Collymore's feed.
Fair play to McGrath. As usual.
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It's disgraceful. Same goes for lots of YouTube comments.
You watch a video on YouTube, have a quick look at the comments and you often find it's like a sanctuary for the moronic.
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I agree Andy, at the end of the day the Internet is freedom of speech an everyone is entitled to that. Spouting off your beliefs whether I agree with that person or not is one thing. Personally attacking someone on their twitter account I think is different. You're not just siting your views you're personally attacking them.
If someone has a racist rant on YouTube or on their website I can chose to click and view/read it. On twitter I don't.
It would go against what the Internet is about and what it stood for to have it fully moderated though I agree.
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Liverpool fans are fucking disgrace. Look at the racist wankers.
http://i43.tinypic.com/200xz7m.jpg
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Liverpool fans are fucking disgrace. Look at the racist wankers.
http://i43.tinypic.com/200xz7m.jpg
Good Jesus, that's disgraceful. There really are some utter utter morons out there.
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It's truly unbelievable and makes what Liverpool have done even worse, they have stuck 2 fingers up to the fight against racism.
I fucking hate Liverpool even more.
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Me too. The fans on the twitter link are scum and the club's tacit support of Suarez will make these people think that their club condones this kind of action.
If I was the FA I'd give the club an eight game ban.
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If the fans like at Celtic can get the club into trouble and fined. What potentially could happen if the club and players themselves are deemed to support the acts of one of their players being found guilty of racism ?
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And back to my original point...........
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And back to my original point...........
It was answered in the first few posts, Man Utd are one of the clubs involved in the Suarez incident and McGrath is an ex-Man Utd player, no need to look for a Villa snub at all.
Right, now back to the disgrace that is the behaviour of Ku Klux Kenny and his merry band of racists.
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Liverpool fans are fucking disgrace. Look at the racist wankers.
http://i43.tinypic.com/200xz7m.jpg
Jesus, I just looked at that, absoloutely disgraefull, what sort of people post that stuff? Like they would go up to black bloke and say that to thier face, these people are dispicable cowards.
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Liverpool fans are fucking disgrace. Look at the racist wankers.
http://i43.tinypic.com/200xz7m.jpg
This is shockingly unbelievable but scum have access to technology now so they can spread their dreadfull views in pulic without fear.
I just can not get my head around comments like#;
"Suarez only told the truth. Evra is a n*****"
FFS what is that about?
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I quite often respect it when Clubs show support to one of their own but in this instance it's just wrong. He's been found guilty of rasically abusing another player FFS!! I can't quite believe that someone thought i'd be a good idea to then go out and wear his shirt like he's been a martyr to some great cause. After Blatter's comments the other week it really does make a mockery of the 'Kick rasicm out of football' line and the 'respect' campaign' .
I truely cannot stand Liverpool. The nonsense and myths that surrounds them - mainly from the BBC - is vomit making. No doubt they think they are the hard done by victims - again.
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And back to my original point...........
Apologies for hijacking your thread KV. I'd just been given the link and your thread discussing the McGrath/evra thing and twitter seemed vaguely applicable, but in hindsight i probably should have posted a new thread. Anyway, sorry.
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Dalglish has gone down in my estimation. Liverpool have acted in a disgraceful manner and cheapened the whole issue.
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He's been found guilty but is there any evidence or is it just on the word of Evra? That's a legitimate question as I don't know a lot about it
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I trust that the Independent Panel including a QC asked all the questions of themselves before making the decision. The *ankers at Liverpool need to understand that that group are not FA and act with due responsibility.
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He's been found guilty but is there any evidence or is it just on the word of Evra? That's a legitimate question as I don't know a lot about it
From what I gather, Suarez has admitted it, but thinks he has done nothing wrong because it's common practise in Uraguay.
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He's been found guilty but is there any evidence or is it just on the word of Evra? That's a legitimate question as I don't know a lot about it
From what I gather, Suarez has admitted it, but thinks he has done nothing wrong because it's common practise in Uraguay.
That's about the size of it.
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Are some of those twitter posts not illegal and therefore can the posters not be prosecuted?
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Cheers guys, so if he's admitted it then he can't really argue
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It really pisses me off. If it's common practise back home that's fine, but no matter where your from or live, if you refer to someon by their colour or race it's Racism full stop.
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http://newsthump.com/2011/12/21/liverpool-disappointed-as-fa-hand-andy-carroll-eight-match-run-in-liverpool-side/
Liverpool fans have revealed their disappointment after the Football Association handed Andy Carroll an eight-match run in the starting eleven because Luis Suarez was found guilty of racially abusing Manchester United’s Patrice Evra.
Carroll, who cost the club around ten times his actual value, has made the majority of his appearances from the subs bench, but with Suarez suspended he could be handed the opportunity to be completely ineffectual right from the start of the next eight fixtures.
The club, who currently sit sixth in the Premier League, released a statement expressing their disappointment with the FA’s decision.
“Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association commission to allow Andy Carroll such a large amount of time on the pitch.”
“Kenny likes to use Andy as a non-impact sub, but this unprecedented decision could see games passing Andy by for the full ninety minutes, rather than just the last fifteen.”
Critics of the decision have insisted that being forced to play Andy Carroll for what could amount to two months is a punishment that simply does not fit the crime.
“It’s not like Suarez killed anyone, is it? If he had, I could sort of understand such draconian measures,” said fan Simon Matthews.
The club are currently considering an appeal, but are wary of further sanctions after rumours appeared suggesting a lost appeal could result in the FA forcing the club to re-sign David N’Gog or Emily Heskey and play them instead.
A PFA spokesperson said they were pleased with the result of the commission, and claimed it moved them one step closer to their goal of all footballer abuse being directly related to nothing other than their utterly detestable personalities
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It really pisses me off. If it's common practise back home that's fine, but no matter where your from or live, if you refer to someon by their colour or race it's Racism full stop.
The guy has played in Europe for a number of years. He will be more than aware of the leagues, UEFA and FIFA's issues on racism. To come out with a statement like that is an insult to people's intelligence.
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Suarez played against us for Ajax & was awful, think he is still under a 7 match nan from the Dutch FA - Vile human, comments from Gus Poyet don't help either
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Liverpool fans are fucking disgrace. Look at the racist wankers.
http://i43.tinypic.com/200xz7m.jpg
Jesus, I just looked at that, absoloutely disgraefull, what sort of people post that stuff? Like they would go up to black bloke and say that to thier face, these people are dispicable cowards.
Not all Liverpool fans will be racist wankers, there must be some decent ones in amongst them...
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now come on lads, if it was one of their players racially abused i'm sure they'd have had a go at him for kicking up a fuss.
Erm......
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=93131.0
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Spotters badge for Greg.
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Doesn't surprise me that Kenny Dalglish is defending Suarez. When was the last time he actually signed a black player?
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He's been found guilty but is there any evidence or is it just on the word of Evra? That's a legitimate question as I don't know a lot about it
I have played a bit and never ever thought to bring up the colour of someones skin during a match, although I have recieved and put out a few insults in the heat of the moment.
From what I gather, Suarez has admitted it, but thinks he has done nothing wrong because it's common practise in Uraguay.
That's about the size of it.
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Doesn't surprise me that Kenny Dalglish is defending Suarez. When was the last time he actually signed a black player?
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Glen Johnson.
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Doesn't surprise me that Kenny Dalglish is defending Suarez. When was the last time he actually signed a black player?
John Barnes I think but that only after he was told that being the son of a British Empire military officer JB wad almost white ;)
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Glen Johnson.
Didn't Benitez sign him?
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Glen Johnson.
FSW sorry sorry Rafa signed him.
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Never knew that. Thanks.
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Manchester United is the most relevant link in this story - the subject of the alleged racism is a current Manchester United player.
Precisely, his link to Man Utd is what is relevant in the context of the situation.
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I have a nagging doubt, It is Patrice Evra and I would also say that you can call me anything you want for 80 grand a week
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I have a nagging doubt, It is Patrice Evra and I would also say that you can call me anything you want for 80 grand a week
Yes, but if someone is allowed to get away with saying it to an 80 grand a week footballer then it gives license to someone saying it to people who live on 80 pound a week.
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Exactly Andy. The law is the law. Barry Bannan broke the law and was heavily and rightly punished. He also appears to be contrite. Suarez broke the law and commited an offence which is just as corrosive to the well being and the safety of society as drink driving is and is splashed across the newspapers revelling in his status as a martyr and grinning from ear to ear. Aston Villa FC read the riot act to Bannan and he appeared in anti drink drive publicity. Liverpool FC printed Suarez tee shirts.
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now come on lads, if it was one of their players racially abused i'm sure they'd have had a go at him for kicking up a fuss.
Erm......
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=93131.0
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Fantastic find Greg.
I really haven't disliked liverpool for quite some time, but this whole sorry episode has reignited my hatred for the sanctimonious ******.
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Hansen referred to black players as 'coloureds' on MOTD. Oh well, I suppose that counts as progress for Liverpool. They've caught up with the seventies now, only a few decades to go.