Heskey why? Hutton why? Gabby not up front why? Collins playing why? Bannan on a drink driving charge ahead of Ireland why? Gutless, embarrassing that was the worst game of football I have ever witnessed. Xmas came early for Spurs. Get your coat Mcliesh and slip out the back door.
Much as I hate losing, I can accept losing if we at least try and win and go down fighting.
The team selection and lack of substitutions or tactical changes means we never even attempted to win this match. Complete fucking disgrace.
Well we certainly parked the moped tonight. That'll learn 'em.
Absolute dross.
Much as I hate losing, I can accept losing if we at least try and win and go down fighting.
The team selection and lack of substitutions or tactical changes means we never even attempted to win this match. Complete fucking disgrace.
Utter, utter garbage.
The only players to come out with any credit for me were Herd, Cuellar and at a push Dunne.
Awful selection, awful tactics, awful manager. Randy you lost the plot when you brought in that buffoon.
The club is now a shambles. When the Villa fans were singing 'going down my Lord', you could read that two ways.
I've seen plenty of performances that bad in 35 years or so, but I haven't seen many quite so gutless.
McLeish lived up to every ounce of his reputation for negativity tonight.
It was thoroughly embarrassing.
that close up of him, he actually looked drunk!Heskey why? Hutton why? Gabby not up front why? Collins playing why? Bannan on a drink driving charge ahead of Ireland why? Gutless, embarrassing that was the worst game of football I have ever witnessed. Xmas came early for Spurs. Get your coat Mcliesh and slip out the back door.
Because a drunk Bannan will still be better than Ireland
On the plus side: We won't go down. At least 4/5 worse teams than us in the division this year.
70% possession conceded against another Premiership side. Shocking. Maybe Alex thinks there isn't a huge amount wrong, and it was just two individual errors that allowed Dr Alban to score tonight. If he does think that, he's delusional.
We have the personnel to at least go to WHL and have a go. We didn't. Buck stops with the manager.
On the plus side: We won't go down. At least 4/5 worse teams than us in the division this year.
70% possession conceded against another Premiership side. Shocking. Maybe Alex thinks there isn't a huge amount wrong, and it was just two individual errors that allowed Dr Alban to score tonight. If he does think that, he's delusional.
We have the personnel to at least go to WHL and have a go. We didn't. Buck stops with the manager.
Maybe not, but unless standards of football in the Premiership have dropped dramatically this season, carry on like tonight and we will certainly be in a fight for survival, tonight was awful.
We are the new Birmingham City in everything but name and strip. An absolutely disgraceful display, MCleish played for a low loss, even when two down he made just one substitution. Why not drop Darren Bent? he hardly sees the ball and it would enable us to play another defender.
Much as I hate losing, I can accept losing if we at least try and win and go down fighting.
The team selection and lack of substitutions or tactical changes means we never even attempted to win this match. Complete fucking disgrace.
Pretty much summed up how I feel. There's no excuse for not competing. Spurs weren't even that good and should be annoyed at themselves for not bagging 6 or 7. I've been behind Big Feck but some of those guys tonight really looked like they couldn't be arsed and that is not acceptable.
I've been rowing with some reporter from the sun all game on twitter.
We are shit, the players and manager are shit.
Collins, Hutton, Heskey should be dropped.
Clark, Gardner, Weimann, Should get more game time and Bannan and Delph should start next week.
I've been rowing with some reporter from the sun all game on twitter.
We are shit, the players and manager are shit.
Collins, Hutton, Heskey should be dropped.
Clark, Gardner, Weimann, Should get more game time and Bannan and Delph should start next week.
we are still 8th in the Premier League not 18th
I've been rowing with some reporter from the sun all game on twitter.
We are shit, the players and manager are shit.
Collins, Hutton, Heskey should be dropped.
Clark, Gardner, Weimann, Should get more game time and Bannan and Delph should start next week.
We'd be even worse with all the kids in.
I thought Herd was good again, shame about the way the team was set up. Suicidal selection. Playing two right backs gave us nothing down the right wing and as for Collins, hoofing the ball, losing his marker for the first and pretty much knocking the ball out of Given's hand for the second, useless tosser.
WTF was that? The team selection was a virtual white flag given their midfield I give AM to mid-december latest at this rate.
1 shot on target. pffttttttttttt.........
but you bet your life Blackburn Rovers would have fought tooth and nail to claw something out of that match tonight and it wouldn't surprise me to see us down there with them come January.
I've just got through half a bottle of Chilean Sauvignon Blanc, it was crap, just like us and I've a mind to pour the rest of it down the sink. Abject, gutless and lacking in any sort of will to win. I've been following the Villa for 20 years and I can remember us being crap or being outclassed but I honestly can't remmeber a performance more lacking in interest or ambition. McLeish has now lost my goodwill towards him and needs to turn it around fast, that was unacceptable.
we are still 8th in the Premier League not 18th
Only because we've had a really easy start to the season, wait till the New Year.
James Collins is worth a special mention for being spectacularly crap tonight.
You can moan about McLeish's team selection as much as you want (and to be fair, it was crap), but these are the players now who weren't at fault throughout the Houllier era, and the players who weren't responsible for the turgid crap of the second half of MoN's last season. At what point do Richard Dunne, Stephen Warnock, James Collins and others actually get to shoulder the blame for what is actually their shite performances? You know, in return for their £50k a week, that kind of thing.
We have been told in numerous interviews with Dunne, Warnock and Collins that the defensive problems last year were because Houllier made us change things, Houllier was a nasty man, Houllier made us train when we wanted to go for a pint (I might be paraphrasing a little here). So why now that Houllier has gone can't we clear a simple ball from the box without falling over it, and why, every time one of our defenders passes the ball, does it end up with the opposition.
Yes, McLeish got things wrong, yes Houllier got things wrong, but the fundamental problem at Villa is that we desperately need to get rid of the core of our squad. I really can't ever remember a Villa team before so packed with so many players I despise.
You can moan about McLeish's team selection as much as you want (and to be fair, it was crap), but these are the players now who weren't at fault throughout the Houllier era, and the players who weren't responsible for the turgid crap of the second half of MoN's last season. At what point do Richard Dunne, Stephen Warnock, James Collins and others actually get to shoulder the blame for what is actually their shite performances? You know, in return for their £50k a week, that kind of thing.
We have been told in numerous interviews with Dunne, Warnock and Collins that the defensive problems last year were because Houllier made us change things, Houllier was a nasty man, Houllier made us train when we wanted to go for a pint (I might be paraphrasing a little here). So why now that Houllier has gone can't we clear a simple ball from the box without falling over it, and why, every time one of our defenders passes the ball, does it end up with the opposition.
Yes, McLeish got things wrong, yes Houllier got things wrong, but the fundamental problem at Villa is that we desperately need to get rid of the core of our squad. I really can't ever remember a Villa team before so packed with so many players I despise.
You can moan about McLeish's team selection as much as you want (and to be fair, it was crap), but these are the players now who weren't at fault throughout the Houllier era, and the players who weren't responsible for the turgid crap of the second half of MoN's last season. At what point do Richard Dunne, Stephen Warnock, James Collins and others actually get to shoulder the blame for what is actually their shite performances? You know, in return for their £50k a week, that kind of thing.
We have been told in numerous interviews with Dunne, Warnock and Collins that the defensive problems last year were because Houllier made us change things, Houllier was a nasty man, Houllier made us train when we wanted to go for a pint (I might be paraphrasing a little here). So why now that Houllier has gone can't we clear a simple ball from the box without falling over it, and why, every time one of our defenders passes the ball, does it end up with the opposition.
Yes, McLeish got things wrong, yes Houllier got things wrong, but the fundamental problem at Villa is that we desperately need to get rid of the core of our squad. I really can't ever remember a Villa team before so packed with so many players I despise.
Yet it's McLeish who selects those awful defenders. It's McLeish who convinced Dunne to stay, wants Collins to have an extended contract and bought Hutton into the team. I mean Herd actually got man of the match against Wolves when he was right back, but then he was dropped for Hutton who has been shit ever since he came here. Wtf is that bollocks?
It's funny how people defended McLeish because of his defensive traits. Erm...what? Where are they? We're defending worse than we did under Houllier and Houllier didn't really address it becasue these talentless players can't be helped.
Man, we should have just kept Houllier. Yes, he was ill, but G Mac who could have done mainly the men coaching where as Houllier could have worked out what we needed to be done to take us forward with his strong pull in the transfer market.
The people who are saying first time I've doubted him...where have you been? Worse than I expected??
James Collins is worth a special mention for being spectacularly crap tonight.
I think you're being overly kind there.
The people who are saying first time I've doubted him...where have you been? Worse than I expected?? How could that be? Really piss poor 6 defenders, heskey and given leaves 3 players who weren't defensive? Is this what we want people??
The people who are saying first time I've doubted him...where have you been? Worse than I expected?? How could that be? Really piss poor 6 defenders, heskey and given leaves 3 players who weren't defensive? Is this what we want people??
You can moan about McLeish's team selection as much as you want (and to be fair, it was crap), but these are the players now who weren't at fault throughout the Houllier era, and the players who weren't responsible for the turgid crap of the second half of MoN's last season. At what point do Richard Dunne, Stephen Warnock, James Collins and others actually get to shoulder the blame for what is actually their shite performances? You know, in return for their £50k a week, that kind of thing.
We have been told in numerous interviews with Dunne, Warnock and Collins that the defensive problems last year were because Houllier made us change things, Houllier was a nasty man, Houllier made us train when we wanted to go for a pint (I might be paraphrasing a little here). So why now that Houllier has gone can't we clear a simple ball from the box without falling over it, and why, every time one of our defenders passes the ball, does it end up with the opposition.
Yes, McLeish got things wrong, yes Houllier got things wrong, but the fundamental problem at Villa is that we desperately need to get rid of the core of our squad. I really can't ever remember a Villa team before so packed with so many players I despise.
Yet it's McLeish who selects those awful defenders. It's McLeish who convinced Dunne to stay, wants Collins to have an extended contract and bought Hutton into the team. I mean Herd actually got man of the match against Wolves when he was right back, but then he was dropped for Hutton who has been shit ever since he came here. Wtf is that bollocks?
It's funny how people defended McLeish because of his defensive traits. Erm...what? Where are they? We're defending worse than we did under Houllier and Houllier didn't really address it becasue these talentless players can't be helped.
Man, we should have just kept Houllier. Yes, he was ill, but G Mac who could have done mainly the men coaching where as Houllier could have worked out what we needed to be done to take us forward with his strong pull in the transfer market.
OK, so it's MoN's fault for signing them, Houllier's fault for selecting them and McLeish's fault for keeping them. Nothing is ever the players' fault, ever.
McLeish needs to grow a pair of balls and forget about the planks who are dying to jump on his back because he came from the Rags. If he's going to let a few morons make him so defensive, so bloody negative, so scared of losing, he should never have taken the job in the first place.
Shape up or ship out.
I've seen more effort from a match fixing Pakastani cricket team than that insipid effort. .
McLeish needs to grow a pair of balls and forget about the planks who are dying to jump on his back because he came from the Rags. If he's going to let a few morons make him so defensive, so bloody negative, so scared of losing, he should never have taken the job in the first place.
we are still 8th in the Premier League not 18th
Only because we've had a really easy start to the season, wait till the New Year.
Really easy? We haven't won away all season and it's nearly Christmas!
Going to be interesting next month with the games we've got to come and where we're likely to be. Will randy give him the money to bring some badly needed re-inforcements or will he cut his losses and we'll be looking for another mug desperate for a job?
McLeish needs to grow a pair of balls and forget about the planks who are dying to jump on his back because he came from the Rags. If he's going to let a few morons make him so defensive, so bloody negative, so scared of losing, he should never have taken the job in the first place.
Shape up or ship out.
The thing is, Mark, for all the people who care about his Small Heath past, there are a lot more of us who don't give a shite about that, but are very concerned at his pedigree of super negative football.
Tonight is an example of him doing the one thing which will lose him all the goodwill he does have at breakneck speed.
It was spineless and exactly the way he played so often in his previous job. Sorry, but much more of that, and as far as I am concerned, he can fuck off.
Going to be interesting next month with the games we've got to come and where we're likely to be. Will randy give him the money to bring some badly needed re-inforcements or will he cut his losses and we'll be looking for another mug desperate for a job?
The people who are saying first time I've doubted him...where have you been? Worse than I expected?? How could that be? Really piss poor 6 defenders, heskey and given leaves 3 players who weren't defensive? Is this what we want people??
Well some of us don't jump around like a bunch of fairy arsed fan dancers because we like to give the bloke a chance. He hasn't been pulling up any trees so far but he hasnt been a disaster either so the jury is still out. However, I said I'd give him half a season and make my mind up after the Chelsea game and thats what I'll do but you know I may change my mind and decide he needs 2 seasons in charge. Howveer, tonight was unacceptable and given a few more of those performances I know what I'll be deciding come January.
The people who are saying first time I've doubted him...where have you been? Worse than I expected?? How could that be? Really piss poor 6 defenders, heskey and given leaves 3 players who weren't defensive? Is this what we want people??
Well some of us don't jump around like a bunch of fairy arsed fan dancers because we like to give the bloke a chance. He hasn't been pulling up any trees so far but he hasnt been a disaster either so the jury is still out. However, I said I'd give him half a season and make my mind up after the Chelsea game and thats what I'll do but you know I may change my mind and decide he needs 2 seasons in charge. Howveer, tonight was unacceptable and given a few more of those performances I know what I'll be deciding come January.
It was very different on here after the Norwich game. Nobody was complaining, mainly because the morons were probably pissed off we'd won. Don't get me wrong, we were piss poor tonight and to tell the truth, I wasn't very impressed with AM's post match interview. We didn't keep the ball very well? No shit, Sherlock! For me McLeish is just MON without the money.
McLeish needs to grow a pair of balls and forget about the planks who are dying to jump on his back because he came from the Rags. If he's going to let a few morons make him so defensive, so bloody negative, so scared of losing, he should never have taken the job in the first place.
Shape up or ship out.
The thing is, Mark, for all the people who care about his Small Heath past, there are a lot more of us who don't give a shite about that, but are very concerned at his pedigree of super negative football.
Tonight is an example of him doing the one thing which will lose him all the goodwill he does have at breakneck speed.
It was spineless and exactly the way he played so often in his previous job. Sorry, but much more of that, and as far as I am concerned, he can fuck off.
It was very different on here after the Norwich game. Nobody was complaining, mainly because the morons were probably pissed off we'd won. Don't get me wrong, we were piss poor tonight and to tell the truth, I wasn't very impressed with AM's post match interview. We didn't keep the ball very well? No shit, Sherlock! For me McLeish is just MON without the money.
The people who are saying first time I've doubted him...where have you been? Worse than I expected?? How could that be? Really piss poor 6 defenders, heskey and given leaves 3 players who weren't defensive? Is this what we want people??
what do you mean 'where have you been' Mcliesh hasnt played with a defensive 6 before tonight, in fact some of his team selections at the start of the season were critesized for being to positive,
i have always said that AM's DNA as a manager was for this type of football, but tonight is the first time with us that he's gone balls out to prove it,
i personanly hate it, but he's not been playing this way all season to be fair, unfortunatly his true colours are shining through
From top to bottom we are a fuckign shambles. Nothing I've seen since August 2010. No scrap that, May 2010 has convinced me otherwise.
Randy needs to show some leadership. If he's sticking with McLeish he needs to back him in the January window even if it involves having to borrow. We have been on a slippery slope for a very long time and the way the whole thing has fallen apart with such speed is a real cause for concern. What sort of structures have we got in place??
It was very different on here after the Norwich game. Nobody was complaining, mainly because the morons were probably pissed off we'd won. Don't get me wrong, we were piss poor tonight and to tell the truth, I wasn't very impressed with AM's post match interview. We didn't keep the ball very well? No shit, Sherlock! For me McLeish is just MON without the money.
McLeish needs to grow a pair of balls and forget about the planks who are dying to jump on his back because he came from the Rags. If he's going to let a few morons make him so defensive, so bloody negative, so scared of losing, he should never have taken the job in the first place.
Shape up or ship out.
The thing is, Mark, for all the people who care about his Small Heath past, there are a lot more of us who don't give a shite about that, but are very concerned at his pedigree of super negative football.
Tonight is an example of him doing the one thing which will lose him all the goodwill he does have at breakneck speed.
It was spineless and exactly the way he played so often in his previous job. Sorry, but much more of that, and as far as I am concerned, he can fuck off.
It was very different on here after the Norwich game. Nobody was complaining, mainly because the morons were probably pissed off we'd won. Don't get me wrong, we were piss poor tonight and to tell the truth, I wasn't very impressed with AM's post match interview. We didn't keep the ball very well? No shit, Sherlock! For me McLeish is just MON without the money.
No. McLeish is MON without the money, and without even the Plan A.
I don't really get why you're directing so much of your anger at other fans, though.
Personally, I couldn't give a flying fuck if there are some fans who won't give him a chance regardless. Tonight was entirely of his own doing, it wasn't fear of fans reaction that made him played like that. That's *exactly* how he'd have played his Blues side in that fixture.
The only difference is that rather than Cameron Jerome plodding around in front of the ten man defence, it was Darren Bent.
We played for a draw till we conceded, then switched to playing to keep the score down.
Sell Bent? Are you mad?
There's some rewriting of history there, Paulie. His Rags team were 9th before winning the League Cup. He had a load of injuries after and that was the main reason they went down. Even the Noses that hate him admit it.
What concerns me is that we're in the middle of November and he still doesn't have a settled side. He took off Herd tonight to bring on Delph. Since when has Delph been a defensive midfielder? He was a great box to box player at Leeds. Bannan on, for who, Heskey? No. Hutton. Hutton is utter shite but he takes Carlos off and moves Hutton back to right back.
If he wanted to play a more defensive side he could have played 5 across the midfield and given Bent a night off, leaving Gabby up front by himself. Bent, like Friedel, was a bloody spectator tonight such was the lack of service and when he did get a chance he fluffed it.
He desperately needs to find a settled side but you just know Heskey will be in his side. He has a Plan A but like MON's, it's stuck in the last century.
Anybody else hear Redknapp tonight saying how if he didn't enjoy watching his teams play, he'd give up football. Bastard that he is, Spurs are a delight to watch at times, even in second gear like tonight.
A few things stand out for me tonight:
1) The fact that the clubs I would expect to finish in the top 6 are now a decent distance from the rest of us. I know there's a long way to go but our chances of finishing closer to the top 6 than the bottom 6 are looking increasingly remote with every 'performance'.
2) A troubling number of our players seem to take the fact that they're at an established top-flight club for granted. As mentioned previously, the Norwich and Swansea players seem to genuinely enjoy playing in the Premier League and are doing themselves proud at this moment in time. Their squads are no bigger or more expensive than ours so surely it is a matter of motivation and philosophy.
3) Again, mentioned to death in prior posts but our almost complete lack of desire and ambition and inability to even look remotely interested is extremely worrying.
Absolutely dire. A deadly combination of no desire, no ability and no belief.
Looking at our upcoming fixtures I'm expecting some giant 'We told you so' banners in the Holte End around mid January.
Sell Bent? Are you mad?
he's a shadow of his form last season. he likes it passed on the floor to his feet - not something he's gonna get in an AM team
It was spineless and exactly the way he played so often in his previous job. Sorry, but much more of that, and as far as I am concerned, he can fuck off.
Even when they were getting 9th they were playing defensively and scored an average of a goal a game. He wasn't setting the world on fire with brilliant attacking displays.
And he has been playing Delph as a defensive midfielder all season with Petrov getting forward more. I agree with the rest of your concerns though.Unsurprisingly, Delph basically failed as a defensive midfielder, so why persist, even if it was only for 5 minutes. There's a good footballer in there but not a defensive midfielder. As for Petrov, apart from cutting Bale in half, I forgot he was playing tonight.
Gary Neville and Danny Murphy in as co-managers....at least they can spot the problems!
Newcastle believed in themselves against Spurs and it paid off. We just took it from behind and that's unforgivable. I just can't see why any fan would make up excuses for a manager who sets us up that way.
Midfield of Hutton - Herd - Petrov - Heskey......is that our worst ever?
I almost felt sorry for the defence with that in front of them. Herd looked out of his depth tonioght, but that might be a bit harsh considering what he was being asked to do.
It seemed that Herd was supposed to be keeping an eye on VDV, which left Petrov chasing the shadows between Modric and Parker. The two lads up front looked lost.
How did AMcL think the game would turn out any other way than it did? Like a lot of posters, I have been reluctant to get on his back, but that line up, then the reluctance to change it was terrible management.
Gary Neville and Danny Murphy in as co-managers....at least they can spot the problems!
If it makes anybody feel any better we've a friggin 25 minute wait at Milton Keynes. What a crap night.
If it makes anybody feel any better we've a friggin 25 minute wait at Milton Keynes. What a crap night.
You have my sympathies.
If it makes anybody feel any better we've a friggin 25 minute wait at Milton Keynes. What a crap night.
If it makes anybody feel any better we've a friggin 25 minute wait at Milton Keynes. What a crap night.
If it's any consolation my son was watching it in a bar in Reykjavik with beer at £5.80 a bottle!
Wake me up when we show some sodding ambition, please.Don't expect this in January.
I suggest McCleish tries this in midfield, rather than Heskey for the next game.
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McLeish needs to grow a pair of balls and forget about the planks who are dying to jump on his back because he came from the Rags. If he's going to let a few morons make him so defensive, so bloody negative, so scared of losing, he should never have taken the job in the first place.
Shape up or ship out.
65K a week should do it...I suggest McCleish tries this in midfield, rather than Heskey for the next game.
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Let's get the signing on fee sorted & put it straight in against Swansea!!
Assou-Ekotto made a comment a few weeks ago about the demise of Aston Villa. Last night was the chance to ram it down his throat however Eck and Collins & Co did their best to prove him 100% right.
For the 1st time in 33 years supporting the club i actually turned the tv over and watched corrie after the 2nd goal as i knew we were dead and buried-extremely worried about the lack of leadership and ambition and i can see us quickly being overtaken in the ambition stakes by the likes of stoke and sunderland-very dark and bad times ahead under this regime i feel !i didnt, i like to have a subjective view and cannot if i am looking a rosie websters tits!
For the 1st time in 33 years supporting the club i actually turned the tv over and watched corrie after the 2nd goal as i knew we were dead and buried-extremely worried about the lack of leadership and ambition and i can see us quickly being overtaken in the ambition stakes by the likes of stoke and sunderland-very dark and bad times ahead under this regime i feel !
Last night was on par with performances from our relegation season
No tactics, no hunger, no leadership, no anything
That wanker AM was urging the players on at 86 mins, do do what exactly?
We will be in the bottom 6 come January and Swansea is going to be tough, they like to play football and knock the ball around so I fully expect us to have darren bent in right midfield and bannan at right back
Given Herd Cuellar and Dunne were the only ones to have put in a reasonable shift last night...
the number of times the ball was passed back to cleared upfield for King to win it in the air was mind numbing
No thought of playing it from the back and building up a patient move through a midfield where admittedly it will be lost most likely but at least it might have improved our possession statistics.
Or is the mentality just hoof it clear and its not my fault....utter rubbish..
Gabby was most frustrated and when we had three forwards all within 3 feet of each other , that was on the touch line, well that summed it up for me ......headless chickens have more brains
Last night was on par with performances from our relegation season
No tactics, no hunger, no leadership, no anything
That wanker AM was urging the players on at 86 mins, do do what exactly?
We will be in the bottom 6 come January and Swansea is going to be tough, they like to play football and knock the ball around so I fully expect us to have darren bent in right midfield and bannan at right back
Surely you mean Bannan upfront and Bent at right back?
As I said earlier, looking above us in the league, the only team that is a surprise is Newcastle, so we're sort of where I expected. Just crapper.
Despite some of the disasters last season, I'm beginning to pine for Houllier's brand of football. At least he tried to ensure the team passed to each other and picked players to do that.Bear in mind the limp excuse for a team that GHou put out agin' Citeh in the Cup; equally reprehensible as last night's set-up.
Mind, Redknapp made me laugh claiming they could win the league after playing us. Obviously still being wheened off the painkillers
This season has reminded me a lot of when O'Neill took over from O'Leary in 07. The squad was pretty thin, lots of underperforming players from the previous season improving slightly, a big money summer signing not living up to the price tag, but an unbeaten run at the start of the season, however with a few too many draws.
It would be nice to think Randy would invest in January, and we can find another couple of Ashley Youngs and John Carews. Then have a couple of more than decent seasons.
Oh well.
Quote from AM:
"We played Carlos and Alan on the right. I just wanted to tighten things up a bit and I still think that was the right thing to do"
It's going to be a long long season
McLeish lived up to every ounce of his reputation for negativity tonight.
It was thoroughly embarrassing.
"We started well in both halves - we went right at Spurs and had a couple of chances," said boss Alex McLeish.
turning points -
MON - Signing of Harewood
Houllier - Liverpool love in
A Mcliesh - Away at Spurs
we saw the future of football under AM last night, i've been hoping with better players that he had at Blues he might be a bit more positive, but it was all blown away for me last night
that was the nightmare sinario all in one match, i cant even be bothered to call for his head as i know it would be totaly futile.
I'm as dismayed as everyone, but the anger on here seems to be in regards to the performance/team selection and not the result, so it's hardly the usual H&V over-reaction at a loss.
To me, the Hutton thing just sent the wrong message out to both our team and theirs. It said "Spurs will attack and we'll be defending", so is it any surprise that's what happened? The annoying thing is that this was a measure to negate Bale, yet VDV is their main threat, so if we're going to play a defender in midfield then why not Clark?
The manager got it tactically wrong, as he did against WBA, so lets hope for a similar response that what we saw after that at Sunderland and home to Norwich.
There's a frustration for me in that AM keeps making comments like he won't tolerate certain performances. And his comments last night about not retaining the ball and calamity defending... He can't say much else can he? The stats say it all.
But after all that, he still goes and picks the same bunch of over paid and underwhelming players that have done nothing to justify their constant team selection when by the looks of it we have some really talented youngsters. Show the seniors that no one is bigger than the club, no one is above not being dropped when the performances are below par.
"A bad day at the office"? I don't think so. It is too consistent to be that. If that was a bunch of staff on the real world, they'd of been performance managed out or made redundant and long time ago.
Quote"We started well in both halves - we went right at Spurs and had a couple of chances," said boss Alex McLeish.
Christ Alex, just say we were rubbish and we'll at least respect the fact that you saw how wrong last night was.
Mind, Redknapp made me laugh claiming they could win the league after playing us. Obviously still being wheened off the painkillers
Mind, Redknapp made me laugh claiming they could win the league after playing us. Obviously still being wheened off the painkillers
I'd rather hear my manager talking up the team and telling everyone how proud and excited he is by them, rather than the piss poor pile of shite we have to deal with.
Would anyone take houllier back , at least better standard of football.or should I say "style of football "
Would anyone take houllier back , at least better standard of football.
Listening to TalkSport makes my blood boil.They don't think we have any right to have any ambition to compete with the likes of Spurs and we should be grateful for where we are now.
Mind, Redknapp made me laugh claiming they could win the league after playing us. Obviously still being wheened off the painkillers
Aim for the stars and you'll land on the moon...
The difference between us and Spurs is they think and act big. In the short term it might not make much of a difference and I used to like the relative lack of hype that surrounds us, but after years of us signing Dunne, Reo-Coker, Ireland and Harewood while they got Gallas, Modric, Van Der Vaart and Berbatov I've started to realise how much of a difference making a noise can make.
That's before we even begin to compare how the two clubs contrast in their methods for identifying and appointing a manager.
Man City away in the FAC?Would anyone take houllier back , at least better standard of football.or should I say "style of football "
Man City away in the FAC?Would anyone take houllier back , at least better standard of football.or should I say "style of football "
Given - cant really be blamed for anything but must wonder what he has done by coming here
Carlos - PLease put him at centre half instead of the lump that is Collins
Collins - you useless C**T just fuck off
Dunne - At least he tried more than can be said for most
Warnock - got skinned by Lennon a few times but not sure what else he did wrong - not being very good is not his fault
Herd - worked his guts out
Petrov - i actually thought he was not playing as i never heard his name or saw him for most of the game
Hutton - Fuck me i have never seen suck a useless waste of human skin (and thats at RB) in midfield just what the fuck was you thinking AM?
Heskey - what can be said what has not already been said- just fuck off you useless lump
Gabby - only one who liked like it was hurting - he must be so frustrated and if he leaves then that will be it for me
Bent - i know he needs service and he is great at tap ins etc - but his contribution to the game we may as well play with 10 men
Manager - when i saw the team i was gobsmacked - i could not believe how shite it was - he may as well as gone into Spurs dressing room and say "Look lads we will give you the points just dont take the piss with the score"
I agree with a post above - Ekotto (sp) should have been the basis of AM's team talk to fire them up - not to tell them how to act and play
Cowardly, bottless turgid shit
Team for Sunday:
Given
Hutton Carlos Dunne Clark
Herd
Gabby Jenas Petrov NZogbia
Bent
I couldn’t believe the system, the selection, the inability to change it round, the lack of pressing and reluctance to put time in them.
The players are not stupid. They knew what we were going there last night to achieve with that side and a defeatist mindset kicked in.
Appalling.
Sure Spurs are a good side, but they’re nowhere near a tier one team. Spurs are so open, they gift you opportunities and they’re inept without Van der Vaart.
Why we went with two central players I have no idea, it meant we couldn’t press their midfield and one of either Modric or Van der Vaart was always able to drift off.
What sort of service can the forwards expect with Heskey and Hutton in the wide roles?
Unfathomable and unacceptable.
"Tottenham's a shit hole, you set it on fire!" and "Redknapp, Redknapp, pay your tax!" the ony amusing moments of the night.
And I got pulled for speeding. Booooo to Mondays!
Would anyone take houllier back , at least better standard of football.
No. There's nothing much to choose between Houllier and McLeish when it comes to being crap. And I don't agree that the style of play was better under Houllier. He was just lucky to at least have Young and Downing in the side.
As mainly a lurker and occasional poster, you always seem to get it spot on mate. Thought the team selection was generally odd but he's been hung out to dry to a certain extent with the lack of options we have in central midfield. Jenas will walk into that side Sunday.
Spurs' midfield of Parker and Modric is a nice blend of skill and determination, but it's not like you're playing a team of Blackburn style shithouses. At least starting with the likes of Delph, Bannan or Ireland would have been an attacking statement of intent.
Would anyone take houllier back , at least better standard of football.
No. There's nothing much to choose between Houllier and McLeish when it comes to being crap. And I don't agree that the style of play was better under Houllier. He was just lucky to at least have Young and Downing in the side.
Houllier at least tried to play football, McLeish doesn't seem too bothered.
And although we had a divided squad, it looks like he was dead right with some of the players he deffed off.
Heskey last night reminded me of being back in primary school. It was like one of your better players hadn't turned up and you were left with the fat kid who was always willing but everyone knew he could hardly kick the ball , he just make up the numbers, contributed nothing and fell over when the ball came to him.
Spurs' midfield of Parker and Modric is a nice blend of skill and determination, but it's not like you're playing a team of Blackburn style shithouses. At least starting with the likes of Delph, Bannan or Ireland would have been an attacking statement of intent.
That's what I mean by lack of options. Ireland has been shit every time he's played and utterly anonymous away from home and Delph has looked out of his depth this year. We haven't got enough genuine quality anymore in the squad, and Mcleish for some inconceivable reason thinks Hutton and Heskey are better oprions than N'Zogbia.
If not Ireland and Delph then 2 or 3 of Bannan, N'Zogbia and Albrighton then, I agree none of them have been in startling form this season but we have so many options in midfield, Jenas as well when available, there is no excuse for playing Heskey and Hutton there. Herd is not good enough either imo.
We need investment in January, simple as that
I found it pretty galling to hear chants of "boring, boring Villa" and "hoof!" from Spurs fans last night. It wasn't particularly enjoyable when we heard it at QPR either.
It's not the fact they were chanting it that was most galling, it was the fact it was true.
Mazrim, I'd love to see that team. Can't see it happening though.
Mazrim, I'd love to see that team. Can't see it happening though.
I know we can all be prone to hyperbole in the immediate aftermath of a game, but I can't remember a more gutless, hopeless performance.
I know we can all be prone to hyperbole in the immediate aftermath of a game, but I can't remember a more gutless, hopeless performance.
Doncaster 2005 surely or loads more under O'dreary.
The painful truth is we're miles away from competiting with Spurs. I remember Richard Moore said this in 2006 and I ticked him off about it and low and behold we finished above them from 2007-09 but they've made the right managerial appointment, signed some great foreign players and kept hold of them.
Last night looking at the starting 11s, imo only Given and Gabby would challenge Friedel and Lennon for a place in their team, no one else comes close.
Huge gulf in quality and also confidence on the ball.
To me the state of our midfield is an embarrasment. 18 months ago, we had Downing- Petrov-Milner- Young as our midfield with someone like NRC as back up. What we have at the moment is an insult to compare to that midfield. Stan's had a good season but is starting to fade which you would expect at his age, Herd is still learning and might not be the long term answer, Hutton there was tactically buffoonery and I'm not even going to waste time commenting on Heskey.
Get used to this, we're going to be stuck in 9th,10th,11th all season, we're right back in the Gregory days.
Mazrim, I'd love to see that team. Can't see it happening though.
I know we can all be prone to hyperbole in the immediate aftermath of a game, but I can't remember a more gutless, hopeless performance.
Doncaster 2005 surely or loads more under O'dreary.
The painful truth is we're miles away from competiting with Spurs. I remember Richard Moore said this in 2006 and I ticked him off about it and low and behold we finished above them from 2007-09 but they've made the right managerial appointment, signed some great foreign players and kept hold of them.
Last night looking at the starting 11s, imo only Given and Gabby would challenge Friedel and Lennon for a place in their team, no one else comes close.
Huge gulf in quality and also confidence on the ball.
To me the state of our midfield is an embarrasment. 18 months ago, we had Downing- Petrov-Milner- Young as our midfield with someone like NRC as back up. What we have at the moment is an insult to compare to that midfield. Stan's had a good season but is starting to fade which you would expect at his age, Herd is still learning and might not be the long term answer, Hutton there was tactically buffoonery and I'm not even going to waste time commenting on Heskey.
Get used to this, we're going to be stuck in 9th,10th,11th all season, we're right back in the Gregory days.
Wasn't we almost top one Xmas under JG?
I found it pretty galling to hear chants of "boring, boring Villa" and "hoof!" from Spurs fans last night. It wasn't particularly enjoyable when we heard it at QPR either.
It's not the fact they were chanting it that was most galling, it was the fact it was true.
Spurs seem to have realised that keeping the ball is better than constantly losing it and trying to win it back. McLeish would probably think that a team with Van Der Vaart and Modric in it would be too lightweight and play Heskey instead of one of them.
The people who are saying first time I've doubted him...where have you been? Worse than I expected??
That's a fair point. The best I can say about McLeish is that he hasn't been quite as bad I expected, but still pretty hopeless. It's turning out pretty much as I expected. Lots of draws, getting battered by the big teams and picking up the odd win here and there against the worst teams in the league to make sure we don't quite go down.
The people who are saying first time I've doubted him...where have you been? Worse than I expected??
That's a fair point. The best I can say about McLeish is that he hasn't been quite as bad I expected, but still pretty hopeless. It's turning out pretty much as I expected. Lots of draws, getting battered by the big teams and picking up the odd win here and there against the worst teams in the league to make sure we don't quite go down.
Spurs seem to have realised that keeping the ball is better than constantly losing it and trying to win it back. McLeish would probably think that a team with Van Der Vaart and Modric in it would be too lightweight and play Heskey instead of one of them.
Last night we didn't even seem to be particularly bothered about trying to win it back.
Given - cant really be blamed for anything but must wonder what he has done by coming here
Carlos - PLease put him at centre half instead of the lump that is Collins
Collins - you useless C**T just fuck off
Dunne - At least he tried more than can be said for most
Warnock - got skinned by Lennon a few times but not sure what else he did wrong - not being very good is not his fault
Herd - worked his guts out
Petrov - i actually thought he was not playing as i never heard his name or saw him for most of the game
Hutton - Fuck me i have never seen suck a useless waste of human skin (and thats at RB) in midfield just what the fuck was you thinking AM?
Heskey - what can be said what has not already been said- just fuck off you useless lump
Gabby - only one who liked like it was hurting - he must be so frustrated and if he leaves then that will be it for me
Bent - i know he needs service and he is great at tap ins etc - but his contribution to the game we may as well play with 10 men
Manager - when i saw the team i was gobsmacked - i could not believe how shite it was - he may as well as gone into Spurs dressing room and say "Look lads we will give you the points just dont take the piss with the score"
I agree with a post above - Ekotto (sp) should have been the basis of AM's team talk to fire them up - not to tell them how to act and play
Cowardly, bottless turgid shit
Team for Sunday:
Given
Hutton Carlos Dunne Clark
Herd
Gabby Jenas Petrov NZogbia
Bent
So you say that about Hutton, but then pick him in your team for Sunday..?!?!
I agree with what you said about him, and wouldn't want him anywhere near the first team again. Time for Herd (preferably), or Carlos to come in at RB.
If Jenas, Bannan and Clark (as a minimum) don't come in for Sunday for Hutton, Heskey and Collins it will be pretty depressing.
I only have Hutton there due to the fact i like Herd in the middle and with the right mix around him see him as an excellent Defensive CM
If Lichaj was fit he would be in before Hutton in a heart beat
It annoys me that I have a Southampton fan mate who is shouting from the roof tops about them. I went to a game with him and they actually played really good stuff. He has been banging on about they would beat Villa, and I've been saying forget it and they are in a different league. Scary thing is they probably would beat us.
No shit, Sherlock! For me McLeish is just MON without the money.2007-10
Quote from AM:
"We played Carlos and Alan on the right. I just wanted to tighten things up a bit and I still think that was the right thing to do"
It's going to be a long long season
I mean, Sir Alex has got Villa's best interests at heart hasn't he?
Quote from AM
“It was a bad night for a few of our players – a bad day at the office – and they know they owe us one. They owe the fans and me a performance in the next game."
So what happened to I'm not scared to drop players if they underperform.No doubt Collins wil stilll start on Sunday
Heskey last night reminded me of being back in primary school. It was like one of your better players hadn't turned up and you were left with the fat kid who was always willing but everyone knew he could hardly kick the ball , he just make up the numbers, contributed nothing and fell over when the ball came to him.
The plan was (and always is) lump it up to him, hope he wins the headers and see if Bent and Gabby can do something with the knockdown. After the first 10 minutes it was clear Spurs were expecting this and in fact Heskey hardly won a header. It's a fucking shit plan to begin with but even so, if it's not working, change it straight away. Nope. We kept trying it al game and gave the ball away nearly every time inviting more pressure.
So what else did we try and do? Well there's always try and get gabby down the channels. But even when Gabby wasnt being asked to defend and was running the channels, he was double marked with one of if not the fastest full backs in the league. So that wasnt working either. What next?
"Sorry, that's it mate. I'm trying to be cagey and tight with a team shipping two goals a game!"
WELL DONT FUCKING BOTHER! Play our most attack minded footballers who can keep the ball for more than 2 seconds. We do have some. We're going to ship goals anyway because our defence is pretty much hopeless now so go for it.
Back to the drawing board:
..................................Given
Herd.............Cuellar..............Dunne..........Clark
..........Gardner............Jenas.............Delph
...........Gabby...............Bent...........N'Zogbia
Guzan, Baker, Warnock, Petrov, Bannan (or Ireland), Albrighton, Burke.
The old 'Attack, attack, attack, attack attack' chant needs to be dusted off.
Quote from AMQuite a regularly used phrase now.
“It was a bad night for a few of our players – a bad day at the office – and they know they owe us one. They owe the fans and me a performance in the next game."
So what happened to I'm not scared to drop players if they underperform.No doubt Collins wil stilll start on Sunday
I only have Hutton there due to the fact i like Herd in the middle and with the right mix around him see him as an excellent Defensive CM
If Lichaj was fit he would be in before Hutton in a heart beat
Pretty much agree with that. Herd has been one of the major pluses so far this season, so I think it'd be a mistake to move him from CM. I think Carlos should start against Swansea, so unless AM pulls another masterstroke it's either Collins or Hutton missing out. I would realistically like to see:-
GK - Given
RB - Hutton/Cuellar
CB - Cueller/Collins
CB - Dunne
LB - Warnock
CM - Herd
CM - Petrov
CM - Jenas
RW - N'Zogbia
LW - Gabby
STR - Bent
That team should be able to get a result.
Quote from AM
“It was a bad night for a few of our players – a bad day at the office – and they know they owe us one. They owe the fans and me a performance in the next game."
So what happened to I'm not scared to drop players if they underperform.No doubt Collins wil stilll start on Sunday
Quite a regularly used phrase now.
GK - Given
RB - Hutton/Cuellar
CB - Cueller/Collins
CB - Dunne
LB - Warnock
CM - Herd
CM - Petrov
CM - Jenas
RW - N'Zogbia
LW - Gabby
STR - Bent
That team should be able to get a result.
I really think relegation talk is a bit far fetched.
Started reading this thread this morning and, as I expected it would be, it's full of hysterics an hyperbole so I just skipped to the end half way through.
Yes, it was a bad performance. Yes, AM's team selection really didn't work and yes, spurs looked miles better than us. But at the end of the day we've lost, away from home, to a team we usually lose to away from home and are a better side than us. if playing hutton in midfield becomes the norm then the manager should be slated but if he learns from this mistake and our next game is more like the one against Norwich then I think we should continue to give hime time.
as I expected it would be, it's full of hysterics an hyperbole
But at the end of the day we've lost, away from home, to a team we usually lose to away from home and are a better side than us.
I genuinely and honestly think Swansea will show us up on Sunday - they look the complete opposite to us. Well drilled at the back, disciplined, vibrant, mobile, playing to their strengths.
I genuinely and honestly think Swansea will show us up on Sunday - they look the complete opposite to us. Well drilled at the back, disciplined, vibrant, mobile, playing to their strengths.
I remember some very similar things being said about Nowrich before we played them.
More like the Norwich game? You mean getting outplayed for large periods, conceding 2 goals and desperately trying to hold on to a win at home against a team that 2 years ago were in division 3?
I genuinely and honestly think Swansea will show us up on Sunday - they look the complete opposite to us. Well drilled at the back, disciplined, vibrant, mobile, playing to their strengths.
I remember some very similar things being said about Nowrich before we played them.
Norwich were abysmal at the back.
You can only beat what is in front of you, but they made it very, very easy for us.
More like the Norwich game? You mean getting outplayed for large periods, conceding 2 goals and desperately trying to hold on to a win at home against a team that 2 years ago were in division 3?
Each to their own, but I saw us play well and outplay Norwich more than they outplayed us, but then a defensive error made in a nervy finish.
More like the Norwich game? You mean getting outplayed for large periods, conceding 2 goals and desperately trying to hold on to a win at home against a team that 2 years ago were in division 3?
Each to their own, but I saw us play well and outplay Norwich more than they outplayed us, but then a defensive error made in a nervy finish.
I saw us get outplayed for half an hour, have less possession and shots on target than a side, as a said, that were a division 3 side 2 years ago.
Was it an exciting game, yes. Was it great seeing us holding on for the last 15 mins, no.
My point is, it was hardly a performance to use as a reference in defence of the manager.
More like the Norwich game? You mean getting outplayed for large periods, conceding 2 goals and desperately trying to hold on to a win at home against a team that 2 years ago were in division 3?
Each to their own, but I saw us play well and outplay Norwich more than they outplayed us, but then a defensive error made in a nervy finish.
I saw us get outplayed for half an hour, have less possession and shots on target than a side, as a said, that were a division 3 side 2 years ago.
Was it an exciting game, yes. Was it great seeing us holding on for the last 15 mins, no.
My point is, it was hardly a performance to use as a reference in defence of the manager.
I wasn't - I was using it as a reference to the way Swansea were being made out to be some footballing powerhouse we didn't have a chance against.
Chico Hamilton III:
--- Quote ---as I expected it would be, it's full of hysterics an hyperbole
--- End quote ---
Yeah, whingeing Villa fans, paying the best part of a hundred quid, taking an afternoon off work to travel to North London on a Monday night before Christmas only to be served up with a pile of fucking rubbish...
I'm not saying you should be happy with the performance, but read the start of this thread back. It's full of block capitals and people saying things like AM is killing the club. How is that not hyperbole? It seems to me that a lot of people were just waiting for a chance to really lay into Mcleish. But maybe you're right and he is complete shit, but losing away to spurs is hardly the worst thing I've seen a Villa side do so I'm just going to wait and see how we come back from this.
And where did I refer to whingeing Villa fans? Maybe you have a complex?
I genuinely and honestly think Swansea will show us up on Sunday - they look the complete opposite to us. Well drilled at the back, disciplined, vibrant, mobile, playing to their strengths.
I remember some very similar things being said about Nowrich before we played them.
More like the Norwich game? You mean getting outplayed for large periods, conceding 2 goals and desperately trying to hold on to a win at home against a team that 2 years ago were in division 3?
Each to their own, but I saw us play well and outplay Norwich more than they outplayed us, but then a defensive error made in a nervy finish.
I saw us get outplayed for half an hour, have less possession and shots on target than a side, as a said, that were a division 3 side 2 years ago.
Was it an exciting game, yes. Was it great seeing us holding on for the last 15 mins, no.
My point is, it was hardly a performance to use as a reference in defence of the manager.
I genuinely and honestly think Swansea will show us up on Sunday - they look the complete opposite to us. Well drilled at the back, disciplined, vibrant, mobile, playing to their strengths.
I remember some very similar things being said about Nowrich before we played them.
Yes, I may have been one of those posters who predicted a difficult match. I think that's what we got.
I wasn't - I was using it as a reference to the way Swansea were being made out to be some footballing powerhouse we didn't have a chance against.
Maz is right last night was an indefensible display from a group of professional footballers. And you can't give the manager high marks either. I just think calling for the managers head is wrong and sacking him would be counter-productive.
I wasn't - I was using it as a reference to the way Swansea were being made out to be some footballing powerhouse we didn't have a chance against.
Never described Swansea as anywhere near a footballing powerhouse - but they're a newly promoted team playing well, particularly at home, and I think we'll be in for a very difficult afternoon. QPR embarrassed us at their place, I can see the same happening here if we're not careful. It's difficult to approach many games with confidence at the moment.
Why is your answer (as well as others) just to bend over?
I wasn't - I was using it as a reference to the way Swansea were being made out to be some footballing powerhouse we didn't have a chance against.
Never described Swansea as anywhere near a footballing powerhouse - but they're a newly promoted team playing well, particularly at home, and I think we'll be in for a very difficult afternoon. QPR embarrassed us at their place, I can see the same happening here if we're not careful. It's difficult to approach many games with confidence at the moment.
You'll have to help me out here - how is a 1-1 draw away from home embarassing? Looking at QPRs form since, it's a respectable result for everyone bar the top clubs.
I can't see massive changes coming for Swansea, so I'm going to predictI think you're nprobalby right - and it will do a lot better than last night - but we will still get mullered down the flanks.Given
Hutton Clark Dunne Warnock
Herd
Petrov Jenas
NZogbia Gabby
Bent
Why is your answer (as well as others) just to bend over?
How many times are you going to come out with variations on "If you don't moan as much as me you're not a proper supporter"?
Agree to a certain extent Ryu - calling for the manager's head is also largely pointless, as I think he's here for the long term.
The problems started from our fourth touch of the ball - Stan launching one up to Heskey on the left wing in a move that I have never seen work ever. That we didn't immediately lose the ball was rather down to luck, as every single other time we hoofed it, we lost it, inviting pressure onto us.
Which is basically the fundamental problem with McLeish - not only does he not seem to understand that hoofball is a poor attacking strategy, he also doesn't seem to get that it's a poor defensive one.
As for the goals, the first one belies the myth about Eck: he's not a good negative coach, just a negative one. I've said it before, but it's notable how goalkeepers' reputations always seem to go up in the sides he's managed, meaning a large concession of shots and chances. The set-piece organisation was abysmal. If you're going to do that style of football, you must at least do it well, and we're still so vulnerable at set-pieces.
Why is your answer (as well as others) just to bend over?
How many times are you going to come out with variations on "If you don't moan as much as me you're not a proper supporter"?
I'm actually concerned the way McLeish has been playing us all this season and I'm not going to make excuses for him when he's already turning us into the new Blues. You may be fine with that, but I have a problem with it.
I have to say, after watching Villa for 40 years that was the most pathetic Villa display i have ever had the misfortune to witness.
Lest we forget the mid-1980's madness of McNeill the Muppet and the desperate days of Dolly's Dynasty ...
I have to say, after watching Villa for 40 years that was the most pathetic Villa display i have ever had the misfortune to witness.
Seriously? I wouldn't put it anywhere near the top twenty.
I have to say, after watching Villa for 40 years that was the most pathetic Villa display i have ever had the misfortune to witness.
Seriously? I wouldn't put it anywhere near the top twenty.
I've seen far worse in my time, but struggle to think of too many games where from the second we put in the team sheet we seemed to have made little effort to win the game.
I have to say, after watching Villa for 40 years that was the most pathetic Villa display i have ever had the misfortune to witness.
Seriously? I wouldn't put it anywhere near the top twenty.
I've seen far worse in my time, but struggle to think of too many games where from the second we put in the team sheet we seemed to have made little effort to win the game.
Man City in the FA cup last year.
I've seen far worse in my time, but struggle to think of too many games where from the second we put in the team sheet we seemed to have made little effort to win the game.
Man City in the FA cup last year.
I didn't agree with the FA Cup decision at all, but you could at least try and understand the reasoning behind it. Spurs though, aren't on a different plane to us at all, and we should have gone there and had a go. Their starting team last night didn't cost any more than ours, AND we had nearly £30m worth of midfielders on the bench. I've seen just as many terrible displays, some a lot worse, but giving up like that before the game and then defending the decision afetrwards - load of rubbish.
I've seen far worse in my time, but struggle to think of too many games where from the second we put in the team sheet we seemed to have made little effort to win the game.
Man City in the FA cup last year.
I didn't agree with the FA Cup decision at all, but you could at least try and understand the reasoning behind it. Spurs though, aren't on a different plane to us at all, and we should have gone there and had a go. Their starting team last night didn't cost any more than ours, AND we had nearly £30m worth of midfielders on the bench. I've seen just as many terrible displays, some a lot worse, but giving up like that before the game and then defending the decision afetrwards - load of rubbish.
I've seen far worse in my time, but struggle to think of too many games where from the second we put in the team sheet we seemed to have made little effort to win the game.
I think taking everything into account, yes it was the worst performance i have ever witnessed.
I think taking everything into account, yes it was the worst performance i have ever witnessed.
Worse than our trip to Anfield last season?
I have to say, after watching Villa for 40 years that was the most pathetic Villa display i have ever had the misfortune to witness.
Seriously? I wouldn't put it anywhere near the top twenty.
It was truly abject. Though, by way of perspective, we have not a single player who would make the Spurs best starting XI and probably only two who would be good enough to warm their bench. And I don't think that can be laid at our present manager's door.
For giving up the game before it's even been played, last night dosen't come anywhere near Man. City away last season imo.
Made worse by Houllier pretty much admitting it afterwards.
Most fans have come to terms with the lowering of ambitions, the least we want to see is an effort to play attractive football and attack. (against every team we play, not just your Norwich's and Wigan's)
QuoteMost fans have come to terms with the lowering of ambitions, the least we want to see is an effort to play attractive football and attack. (against every team we play, not just your Norwich's and Wigan's)
Great in theory but Spurs are the form team in the league and if by playing an open game we've conceded five he'd now be getting slaughtered for being naive.
I'm not defending the selection as it clearly didn't work but rather his right to try it.
It is controversial on here as he's getting stick for not doing exactly as posters are demanding. As I said I didn't watch the game but can see the logic in setting up to try to stop Bale. I've been told how crap we were so accept that it didn't work but we all know that if he'd tried a more attacking formation and that had failed many of the same people would be giving him stick for that instead.