Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Handsworth Wood Villa on November 14, 2011, 02:34:08 PM
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i.e.
Only Brummies could play for Villa or Blues
Only Scousers could play for Liverpool or Everton,
Only Mancunians could play for Man U or Man City,
Only Geordies could play for Newcastle,
Only Londoners could play for the London clubs.
etc
Who would win the league?
Would club football in this country be better or worse?
Would the England team be stronger?
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Gabriel Agbonlahor, Nathan Delfouneso & Daniel Sturridge. I know they're brummies. Would you count the Gardner brothers? They're from Solihull, according to their Wiki.
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Gabriel Agbonlahor, Nathan Delfouneso & Daniel Sturridge. I know they're brummies
Micah Richards?
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Ah yeah, Micah. Good player.
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Luke Moore. But, if we was picking a team, we'd probably go Sturridge and Gabby up front. Unless anyone knows anyone better?
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Lescott?
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James Vaughan. Norwich Striker.
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There seems to be a lot of scouse footballers.
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Who would win the league?
Would club football in this country be better or worse?
Would the England team be stronger?
Hard to say, but as the only two 'world class' players of this generation are Gerrard and Rooney, I'd say one of the Liverpool clubs would be favourite.
Better, probably.
Don't see how - it's still be the better players.
As for what our side would look like, I agree with Gabby and Sturridge upfront and Richards and Lescott at the back. Where was Cahill born and isn't Foster from Leamington Spa??
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Isn't Cahill a Sheffield lad?
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Ben Foster started his career at Racing Club Warwick.
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He isn't a brummie though.
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He isn't a brummie though.
But where would you draw the line? Not all players are from big cities with PL clubs, so is it a county thing or a case of 'where is the nearest PL club to your place of birth'?
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Albrighton is from Tamworth, so who would he qualify for?
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'where is the nearest PL club to your place of birth'?
That's a good way to look at it.
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Albrighton is from Tamworth, so who would he qualify for?
Tamworth's bench.
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He isn't a brummie though.
But where would you draw the line? Not all players are from big cities with PL clubs, so is it a county thing or a case of 'where is the nearest PL club to your place of birth'?
Exactly, take Essex, a fair sized county but I can only think of Southend and Colchester as league clubs, so if you are born there that is the highest level you can play at?
Or Kent and you're stuck at Gillingham for life.
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London teams would win everything in this country year in, year out. Higher population = much larger talent pool. On the plus side, the Manchester teams would be pretty much screwed!
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London teams would win everything in this country year in, year out. Higher population = much larger talent pool. On the plus side, the Manchester teams would be pretty much screwed!
What about ot London was regionalised too. So Arsenal, Spurzz and Barnet in the North. West Ham, Dagenham, Millwall and Leyton Orient in the East and so on??
I did look at what a Brummie national team would be like, as we have a similar population to Northern Ireland. The main place I struggled filling was the goalkeeper. I think Dean Kiely may be a Brummie, think wiki says he was born in Salford, but he has a Brummie accent and I seem to remember thatFootball Manager had his favourite club as Villa. Half of the Irish team at the time would have been eligible for us:- Rory Delap, Lee Carsley, Is Ciaran Clark a Brummie?
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Are we allowed players with a Brummie grandmother? Sure I read somewhere that Lionel Messi's nan was from Kitts Green.
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Micah Richards was born in Birmingham but I think he would play for the Leeds team.
If Andy Carroll (Gateshead) can play for the Newcastle team the Craig Gardner (Solihull) can play for the Birmingham team.
We also forgot Zat Knight ;)
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I'm sure some of the clubs would find ways of circumventing any such rule. Someone told me - and this is probably apocryphal - that when the PL academies were being brought into existence, there was a rule that boys still in full time education had to be living up to a maximum of 90 minutes travelling away from the Academy. Now most of us would think that an hour and a half in dad's car would at least ensure that clubs would be drawing from the same geographical region. You'd be wrong. The time was agreed upon as Manchester United knew that every other airport in the UK is within that flying time of Manchester.
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Peter Withe born Liverpool.
Peter McParland born Newry.
Thats the European and FA Cup wins screwed. Anybody know which ones out of Walter Price, William Scattergood, Jack Hughes and Frederick Matthews were locally born ?
Oh yes, and Paul McGrath - ineligible !
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Well
Are we allowed players with a Brummie grandmother? Sure I read somewhere that Lionel Messi's nan was from Kitts Green.
well, it worked for Jack Charlton......
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Lee Hendrie and Darius Vassell.
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In aus they have a three match rugby league series called state of origin between qld and nsw. Not 100% sure of the qualification criteria, but I think it goes on which state you played your first club 'football' in. The origin series is bigger than the actual NFL competition itself in terms of it's significance to the wider population.
You could have a north v south competition made up of prem players I suppose, but it probably wouldn't have the same significance given all the regional rivalries within the north and south. Couldn't see the clubs supporting it though as they hate even releasing players for international matches.
It's very common for league players to get crocked (sometimes by players from their own clubs) during origin matches and then be out with injury for their next club game the week after.
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In aus they have a three match rugby league series called state of origin between qld and nsw. Not 100% sure of the qualification criteria, but I think it goes on which state you played your first club 'football' in. The origin series is bigger than the actual NFL competition itself in terms of it's significance to the wider population.
You could have a north v south competition made up of prem players I suppose, but it probably wouldn't have the same significance given all the regional rivalries within the north and south. Couldn't see the clubs supporting it though as they hate even releasing players for international matches.
It's very common for league players to get crocked (sometimes by players from their own clubs) during origin matches and then be out with injury for their next club game the week after.
Don't they have the State of Origin series in Aussie Rules too .
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Also, home grown - as in the title - to me suggests youth development. A related debate could cover which Premier League club would boast the best team from home grown talent. Plump Barry, for example, might have come Brighton but he made his professional debut for us, so he's ours. We've also had a strong - if not spectacular - period for youth development, so I think we would look good against most teams. But I might be going off-topic here. So, I'll stop.
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Albrighton is from Tamworth, so who would he qualify for?
Whoever he wants to.
(But hopefully Villa!)
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Rather than saying you can only play for your closest club, wouldn't playing for any club within around 50 miles be a better way, so local clubs compete for local players, but they're not limited to one club
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Does anyone know what affect these new rules will have (EPPP?)?
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I remember thinking, even at the time, that the city of Liverpool had more cause to be proud of our League title and European Cup than any of their own!
This idea has kicked about in my head since then really - you would definitely have more of an interest in the local team on a general level, if they really were your local team.
They used to have a thing in athletics where to change clubs without good reason you had to serve 9 months "hardship" -i.e. you couldn't compete for 9 months. (I don't know if it still goes on) The AAAs would ask people who moved house to prove that they had moved for work or family reasons, not just to join a top club. If they just wanted to run for a top club, then they were out of competition for a while. Of course there were ways round it, but it slowed the pull of top clubs and gave smaller clubs a chance to bring through talent and compete. A version of this could happen to allow some movement.
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Probably the two most famous examples of "local" teams are Athletic Bilbao and the Celtic 'Lisbon Lions' team which won the 1967 European Cup.
The Celtic team of Simpson Craig Gemmill Murdoch McNeill Clark Johnstone Wallace Chalmers Auld Lennox were all born within 30 miles of Glasgow. As far as I am aware this was a unique achievment and clearly will remain so.
The current Wikipedia page for Athletic Bilbao is as follows:-
The club is known for its cantera policy of bringing young Basque players through the ranks, as well as recruiting top Basque players from other clubs (like Joseba Etxeberria or Javi Martínez). Athletic official policy is signing professional players native to the greater Basque Country, including Biscay, Guipúzcoa, Álava and Navarre (in Spain); and Labourd, Soule and Lower Navarre (in France). Still, in recent times, this policy has been somewhat relaxed and players with direct Basque ancestry or with no Basque ancestry but formed in Basque clubs have played for the team.
Fellow Basque club Real Sociedad operated a similar policy but abandoned it in 1989 when they signed John Aldridge.
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Albrighton is from Tamworth, so who would he qualify for?
Tamworth.
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What about kids who were moved from say Newcastle to Birmingham at 2 years old. They would eat, sleep, breathe in Birmingham all their life.
Should they play for Villa instead of Newcastle United ?
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Albrighton is from Tamworth, so who would he qualify for?
Tamworth.
Except Tamworth don't have a football team, do they, Dave. My guess is Albrighton would play for Villa.
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What about kids who were moved from say Newcastle to Birmingham at 2 years old.
Geordies being allowed through our borders ? >:(
More questions for Theresa May about immigration issues !
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What about kids who were moved from say Newcastle to Birmingham at 2 years old. They would eat, sleep, breathe in Birmingham all their life.
Should they play for Villa instead of Newcastle United ?
Case in point - Micah Richards.
Born in Birmingham because his parents were on holiday here but he was raised and grew up in Leeds.
I'm sure he feels more like a Yorkshireman than a Brummie so he would play for the Leeds team.
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What about kids who were moved from say Newcastle to Birmingham at 2 years old. They would eat, sleep, breathe in Birmingham all their life.
Should they play for Villa instead of Newcastle United ?
Case in point - Micah Richards.
Born in Birmingham because his parents were on holiday here but he was raised and grew up in Leeds.
I'm sure he feels more like a Yorkshireman than a Brummie so he would play for the Leeds team.
On holiday in Birmingham? WoW
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Albrighton is from Tamworth, so who would he qualify for?
Tamworth.
Except Tamworth don't have a football team, do they, Dave.
What about Bolehall Swifts?
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What about kids who were moved from say Newcastle to Birmingham at 2 years old. They would eat, sleep, breathe in Birmingham all their life.
Should they play for Villa instead of Newcastle United ?
Case in point - Micah Richards.
Born in Birmingham because his parents were on holiday here but he was raised and grew up in Leeds.
I'm sure he feels more like a Yorkshireman than a Brummie so he would play for the Leeds team.
On holiday in Birmingham? WoW
It would be a WoW if you lived in Leeds.
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On holiday in Birmingham? WoW
Why not? If the missus is heavily pregnant, its a way of enjoying a villa holiday without flying...